Understanding Compound Cycle Time - [RUPES Replies Episode 017]

Cycle time is one of the most misunderstood and least discussed components of compound and polish formulation, but what is it? How does it impact your process? How do you even know what type of cycle time your compound or polish was intended for? Odds are you have a cycle time preference and you don't even know! In this week's episode of RUPES Replies our Global Director of Training, Jason Rose, talks you through the various aspects of cycle time, answering all these questions and more.
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[@jeffc6832]

I've been working my way through all the polishing related videos I can find in UA-cam over the last week, and I just had this question myself last night. Thanks for answering it and keep these answers coming!

[@RUPES]

Great! Thanks for watching and please keep commenting and engaging. We love to hear if the content is useful.

[@maxgnarnage]

this was a great short segment. Would love to see more on this subject. Is short vs long cycled liquids somewhat defined by water vs oil based? It seems to me long cycle products are more oil based while short cycle are water based. Is this somewhat true? If you under cycle a long cycle liquid does that mean it may be streaky or harder to wipe off since it hasn't been worked long enough?

[@RUPES]

All great questions. Summarizing:
Water or oil based has no direct correlation to short or long cycle. There is far more to the formulation impacting cycle time.
If you short cycle a long cycle compound you may see some streaking, but that’s typically more due to the amount of compound used. If you intentionally are going to short cycle a long cycle product using less product mitigates this potential issue. It also isn’t true of all formulas. Some long cycle compounds wipe off quite easily regardless if they are long or short cycled in application.

[@maxgnarnage]

@@RUPES Thanks so much for the response. Would love to see more info on this subject. I feel it's very overlooked in the industry.

[@jaimemartinez819]

Thank you for explain this important thing

[@RUPES]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@szymuTV]

I was having that problem when I was polishing and pad was starting to skip and leaving solid residue on surface that was hard to remove. So it means that I was using short cycle for long time ? Doing a bonnet but large areas. So with short cycle divide bonnet into like 8 sections? Half a bonnet and do quarters?

[@ericgoodman9509]

How many minutes do you Rupes consider to be a longer cycle time? You say your new DA compounds and polishes were chemically formulated for long cycles. How long should you do for a short working cycle?

[@RUPES]

The cycle time isn't like a clock timer. It is impacted by the type of tool movement, the type of pad, the operators technique, how much compound is used, and a lot by environmental factors. At our US headquarters in Colorado we contend with extremely dry air due to the altitude. A long cycle compound in our facility doesn't run as long as that same compound being used in Florida with high humidity.
The purpose of the video is to help you understand that cycle time is a thing. It is a part of the compound formulation. The specific duration of your cycle is going to be unique to you, but if you have 2 bottles, and one allows you to go for 90 seconds, while the other starts to dust and become grabby at 30 seconds under identical conditions, you have 1 long and 1 short cycle compound.
Also, it should be mentioned, no compound cycle should be measured in minutes. If you are cycling a single application for minutes your application time is far too long and likely very inefficient. We recommend trying to target a 60-90 second application. A 120 second application would even be within the realm of possibilities, but would be longer than it needs to be.
In this specific video around the 2m mark we even show a long and short application up against a timer if you want something to use as a reference: ua-cam.com/video/Lmv0Y8fPhJ0/v-deo.html

[@ericgoodman9509]

@@RUPES
Thank you very much

[@stevemorris438]

I’ve noticed using the new uno protect and found it has a short cycle is this correct🤔

[@RUPES]

UNO Protect, and most all-in-one products for that matter, tend to be a little different. The addition of waxes and polymers to the mix allow you to work with it for awhile, but if you overwork it you can tend to start to see it get gummy or sticky on the surface. Depending on how you use UNO Protect (the end goal) your cycle should adjust. If you're simply using it as a light polish and protection a short cycle will do the job. If you're chasing defects a longer cycle will be desirable.

[@GGhosimoGG]

hi :) can you explain us how refining stage exactly works.... and when the pad stalls are we still refining?

[@RUPES]

Refining, loosely defined, would be anything you do that takes a scratch pattern on the surface and replaces it with a finer, less visible, scratch pattern. It is key to understand that no matter how fine a combination of products you choose there is always a scratch pattern introduced to the surface, the only difference is that when you get to high levels of correction and gloss the impact of those marks has less impact on the reflection (invisible to the human eye).
As we explained in last weeks episode of RUPES Replies, in a large stroke random orbital tool the orbit is the dominant movement, in most cases comprising 80% or more of the total pad movement. Because of this, even with momentary pad stall the polishing action is still effective.

[@GGhosimoGG]

@@RUPES thank you very much for your time :)

[@GuyFromTahiti]

Hi from New Caledonia. Tell me what is the best lighting setup for a detailing garage ? What kind of light ? What light color (warm or cold or both) ? Thank you very much

[@RUPES]

Hello and thank you for commenting. You want adjustable light, both in terms of intensity and color temperature. There is not a perfect level of lumen or temperature that is ideal for all colors, so if you work on a variety of cars the best advice is to choose lights that you can adjust to the specific application and tune to suit your own particular preferences.

[@pristinepassionstudio4032]

Would a spray wetting agent(SWA) can extend somehow the cycle of your polishing time?

[@RUPES]

Thank's Pristine Passion, this is question that requires a thoughtful reply because we have to be accurate with the definitions. If define cycle time as the time engineered into the product which gives it specific characteristics--- SWA alters this. If we define cycle time as the amount of time we can polish with --- SWA can extend this slights (but adding water or any liquid to the process will change the abrasion, finish, lubrication, etc)

[@hk-in8cg]

So do you say the current new crop of uno polishes are long cycle products?

[@RUPES]

UNO Pure would be on the longer side of cycle time. UNO Protect being an all-in-one the type of application will influence the cycle time.

[@macmovieman1]

I have no idea if your products are short or long?

[@RUPES]

Our newest generation of products is on the longer side of cycle time.

[@macmovieman1]

RUPES Thank you. I’m polishing the car tomorrow and that is helpful. I might have missed it.

[@stevef2114]

So Rupes polishes are short or long... as i get dusting a lot with these polishes.. and im only doing 2 passes.... can you explain what im doing wrong? I use a brush on the pads Ive got about every roughly 3 sections done, and then reload with 2 pea size dots.

[@RUPES]

Our previous generation of compounds were a short cycle. The newer generation, DA Series, would be considered a longer cycle. A brush is only marginally effective at removing residues, especially on fiber pads. Its better than nothing, but for more complete cleaning blowing the pad out with compressed air or using a vacuum crevice tool to agitate and remove the residues is far more effective.

[@stevef2114]

@@RUPES Thanks I have the new generation compounds. I can't afford or have time to get compressed etc... im only someone who wants to take car of his car, not a business. Ive followed your 101's... so im really not sure what is going on.

[@RUPES]

Dusting on a short cycle would be highly unusual with the new products, but the comments section of YT is probably not the easiest place to troubleshoot. Get in touch with us and we can get a member of our technical team to help troubleshoot the issue
www.rupes.com/contact-us

[@stevef2114]

@@RUPES Thank you will do!

[@Infinixmx]

Spanish subtitles?

[@RUPES]

The Spanish subtitles will be added soon.

[@Infinixmx]

RUPES Thank you very much, waiting to continue watching your great videos

[@the_1iron]

ugh not helpful at all... a grid, image, chart wb helpful, i.e., megs 105 is long cycle, 205 is long cycle but both dust up, sonax pf is mid cycle, black fire c/w long cycle, uno pure? uno protect long... etc

[@RUPES]

Sorry you didn’t enjoy the content. There is not a chart or black and white definition on these things bc cycle time is a spectrum and there is variation within that range based on variable impact. As for our products in particular, they’d all be mid-range in most conditions. The previous generation formulas for random orbital were very much in the short cycle range (except for Diamond).

[@the_1iron]

RUPES i figured that but at this stage of technology and chemistry there's a chemical definition / direction the chemical team mixes the abrasive, sealant, filler (if any) and polish to reach some metric just as a the gauges we see on pacakaging. would t you agree? an 8 abrasive or cut is chemically built likely a short cycle... an AIO is chemically built as a long cycle... right? maybe that's an idea for a video, bring on the chemist 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@the_1iron]

RUPES theres the kevin brown mad scientist approach / explanation that helps understanding of the binding agent separation (abrasives) relative to polishes (4&less) that dissipate, liquify under heat to a point before they bind back again... btw i did enjoy it just wanted more better content👊🏻

[@RUPES]

Thanks for the feedback - we’ll take it into consideration, but the entire concept of the RUPES Replies series is “bite sized” content (5 minutes or less) it doesn’t lend itself to that deep dive type of approach. Perhaps a future series can give you the more expansive explanations you’re looking for.

[@broncoupe]

@@RUPESAlways watch your content but i do feel you are an expert at not telling us stuff
The only reason i can see for this is that you dont want people to say " But you said do this and you will get that "
Its a shame because like Rupes as an individual like it or not you are an aspirational figure in your field