Don't praise your dog!
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2023
- This week on Mordor Gundogs, Charlie explains why its soo important to only praise your dog at the right time.
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Hi Charlie, I dont usually comment on videos but I subscribed and just want to say thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have seen a number of your videos and I agree with your method of teaching 100%. I have an 8 month old female border collie that I struggle to loose lead walk and she loves to chase when I throw a ball but wont hand it back in my hand except if I have a treat. I'll keep on working with her keeping your videos in mind. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Hope the videos continue to help with your training
Have you tried using two balls? Seems to work for my dog he drops the balls in anticipation for the 2nd
@@Ploploxnope, a collie will pick up both 😂 and then the third… best I’ve seen was my aunt’s collie with 4 tennis balls at once!
Describing Blue as handsome is a bit of an understatement! He really is magnificent looking.
beautiful dog
I like your analogy of paying your kids for what's simply expected.
because kids are similar to dogs? I found this argument terrible. If you think about it, why does he want to treat his children like a dog? Or vice versa?
If a dog doesn't respond well to praise, and listens better if you don't. Then, obviously don't do it. Common sense.
@@flipnshifty discipline is discipline. We don't do the everyone gets a trophy thing at my house
And my favourite bit, ‘bollocks’……….😍😂
I have a female black Lab with an insanely high play drive. If I had a pork chop in one hand and a ball in the other, she'd go for the fetch every time. It made her very easy to train because she'll do anything for a fetch. I do praise her, but not while we're working, I think it just distracts them. It reminds me of an old Family Circus cartoon where the kid stands up for the first time and his parents give him a cookie that throws him off balance and makes him fall down. It's kind of like that. She just wants to be treated right overall, she doesn't need or want instant gratification while we're focusing on a task :)
Well said. I think that part of the reward-reward-reward at all times comes from people who train dogs to do things that are not inherently interesting or meaningful to the dogs. You're working with dogs whose work is inherently self-rewarding and working with you is amazing. I think that what you have to say about good behaviour being something dog and owner do together as opposed to something to be bribed constantly for is a much-needed message. Finally, man, you have some beautiful labs. It's been a treat to see them. :)
A brilliant clear analogy .
nothing more happy than a working dog - working
so glorious
This is a bit of a revelation.. maybe I should have thought of this before but it didn’t really occur to me until you put it so clearly. Extremely helpful!
Best vid for me yet Charlie. So relevant and true.
You explain how unstupid dogs truly are, and how they have the majority of public wrapped round their paws.
True about kids too !
Thank You!
Many years ago i had a Border collie/Rough collie mix named Max, when he became an adult dog all he wanted to do was play fetch and he would sit and wait for commands, sometimes if i was talking to someone and keeping him waiting too long, then he would bark for me to get back to what we was doing. I never treated him for everything he did, nor any of my other dogs (only as puppies and not all the time). This is a common sense video and it works.
Great video and Goose and Blue are some seriously handsome boys!
Just remembered this today and it has definitely helped with my young Labrador, 💪
Yet another video full of great ideas... I followed your advice this afternoon & got immediate results.. My pups retrieve was so much more disciplined without all the verbal congratulations...
Good video Charlie, so clearly demonstrated that over stimulation will break the dogs focus (guilty as charged) when they are training/working. In school and out of school as we say. Nice to see a good dog like Blue coming to New Zealand, thanks Howie.
New Zealand is great. If I were you, I’d deliver Blue and use it as an excuse for a good family holiday 😀😀
Spot on there Charlie! I'm loving these videos. We are all learning every day training gundogs!🐕🏆
This makes sense. My spaniel goes bonkers if I say good boy and takes it as a cue to rush off and do what he likes. After your last video where you said get rid of the treats, I’ve been getting him to do stuff for “love” haha. But I will try this now. Thanks Charlie!
The praise thing is a human thing, the mums don’t praise their pups! My dog gets affection when he’s being calm and quiet at home. He’s not the least bit bothered about praise. Being out working is all he needs. Great video 👍
Thank you for this video. It’s often the little things which are overlooked and this makes so much sense as to me now. Obvious now I’ve seen it. Everyday I’m learning. Thank you 🙏
Hi Charlie, your 100% bang on !! thanks for posting these videos...total common sense.
Man is Blue a gorgeous dog!
This is the first of your videos I've come across and it's an immediate subscribe. I'm a huge fan of the ideas you put forward here, and that's the type of style that has never occurred to me and I've never really seen used before. EVERYONE - including all these other trainers and behaviorists and whatnot - praises the crap out of their dogs, and it feels like it's what's expected of us. This is going to be my mindset on my next pup. Do all your work and learning, get tired, then we get the praise and rewards. So simple, yet so brilliant.
Thank you!
Thanks. Great advice
Love this made me laugh in the best possible way 😂👍🏼
Very clearly put and explained. I must admit I am guilty of using too many treats but have dialed back a lot on them and my Flatcoat still loves to work with me. It's my first ever dog and am still learning every day. These videos surely help with that process so thanks for them!
Thank you Charlie for this lesson. I love watching your videos as I am learning a lot. I have a young Brittany Spaniel (just turned 12 months) so I know what you mean.
Your a great dig trainer and soooo useful hints. I was told off once for not saying good boy they said. I just laughed at their madness. Lol.
Another great video and refreshing to see in my opinion the correct way to train and treat working dogs👏
It’s funny I totally get it my little Caveh poo is nine months old really good at retrieving and when he goes and touches it if I see anything he looks at me drops it and comes right back if I don’t say anything he brings it right back to me
Love your videos, lots of great advice but delivered in a funny way. You make me chuckle! 😂
Thank You Natalie!
Brilliant thank you - needed your help on Richmond Park over the weekend, the dog nearly pulled my arm out of its socket trying to get to the deer. Thank God for long lines!!
Had labs all my life & this is good, old fashioned common sense. Sadly in short supply these days. Excellent video series (too much praise ? 😂)
I think to be fair this advice is very age dependent, in a young pup just starting out on in the world and learning even what a retrieve is, praise is a good thing to encourage learning and drive. As the dogs get older and you are wanting to get a more steady dog, just the retrieve as the video suggests is praise enough.
Having lost my last labrador in May, after sixty years of owning these wonderful dogs, I agree with this video.
There was just one exception; from puppies I occasionally just said to them 'are you showing off', as they started to be playful. Until they were very old, if I just said that to them, they would look up, tails wagging, remembering . This upsetted me a lot.
What a breath of fresh air this video is. I have always trained my dogs without treats. I praise my dogs when I train them but this lessens over the years especially if it is for reasons of retrieve or stopping at curbs to wait for me before I arrive etc... A dog is at its best when it feels ot is serving a purpose they love to work. Here and there praise is still there as a reminder since my dogs are family pets and not working dogs operating in packs or with the competition that makes them want to perform correctly so they do appreciate. UA-cam and advice in general on dog training pushes the idea of constant rewards with dog treats and I watch this knowing it is wrong. My dogs have always been a credit to the family, complimented on their behaviour and obedience everywhere they go, its always a compliment when none doggy people notice how well behaved and pleasant your 120lb Akita Rottweiler mix is, citing they wish all dogs were so.
Wow what a brilliant video. I probably like a lot of people have never thought of that, and how true you are. This is something that i do, and i wont do anymore. Thanks for the tip Charlie. I will certainly be watching more of your videos.
Bloody marvelous!
Great advice Charlie 👍 makes sense, I like your methods
Love the videos, I'm paying very close attention - all makes total sense - sound common sense and so looking forward to putting into practice next week when pup home 😊! Want to say thank you & well done - or should I wait until all your videos are uploaded 😁 just kidding 😉 Cheers Charlie !!
Blue (sp?) is a handsome dog!
Thank you Charlie
Again you make so much sense great work
This video perfectly explains my Willow. Excellent, thanks again for making these.
I agree with you. From a purely training perspective, rewards are used to train the dog how to do something. Once he knows how to behave and what you want him to do, the activity or behavior is the reward. One minor exception is when teaching recall, rewards may be needed to proof the recall, to fine tune the recall from a hunt behavior, etc.
Thank you so much. You just validated how I naturally thought about it, but was about to change with my new dog since people keep promoting the reward focus
Another great video- again, really helpful thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
This is hysterical😂 Great video, really helpful !
Thanks, I have a 6 year old Cocker Spaniel and I've always found it difficult to train him. Your videos have helped so much!
Thank you!
I totally agree. It's one of my hates. I have working border collies. They're busy, they're happy, they're loved and full of life but I don't do treats and rarely praise. I think this treat reinforcement thing is completely out of hand. You see people constantly shoving things in the dogs' mouth. Dog clubs are the worst for this. They're teaching the owners to be weak and they're teaching the dogs to be unreliable.
Anyone shoving food into the dog's mouth is doing it wrong.
Food rewards should be held on the palm of the hand and held for the dog to take.
That way you'll know if the dog finds the food reinforcing in that particular situation.
I think you have just made me aware of my mistakes with my lab, thanks.
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Those labs are stunning looking. Great advice
Two Gorgeous Dogs!
The key is motivation, what motivates a dog to do something, working dogs are motivated by doing the things they are bred to do and simply doing this may be motivation enough, other non working breeds are motivated by other things, food, praise, etc. dogs have been so selectively bred over 100s of years that one breed’s motivation can be very different to another.
Hi, Started following your videos, all very good. Are you planning a follow up video to this one for removing treats if the dog has been brought up on treat rewards and the owner wants to move away from treats to where you are in this video? Keep up the great work. Cheers, ANDY... Every day is a school day! 😉👍
This may be my first ever UA-cam comment. This video was amazing! I am a blind owner trainer and currently raising a puppy to be my next guide dog. I use treats at the moment for luring. I use toned down praise to use less treats but have paired it with the command so my dogs associate the good with whatever I asked of them. Once puppy calms and gets a longer attention span I Can't wait to be able to face food out. Being blind means I have to use things to make my training more tactile so treat work at the beginning, but my retired dog who was trained by Guide Dogs with treats gets very infrequent treats and only when he does something extraordinary or a brand-new skill. He's 12 and he works for The pleasure. I have a rescue that I also taught to Guide who is very suspicious of strangers and has fear aggression issues in certain circumstances. He is an absolutely fantastic guide and does not work for treats at all. He is not overly food motivated, except for things like bones and chews indoors, but like you were saying about giddy dogs he can become fixated on playing ball. I could've used as reward but chose not to and just use as play. I didn't want a dog that was fixated on the reward. The way I train is also limited by my living situation in a family setting with me as a carer for two elderly adults with multiple needs. However, if I lived alone I would be able to do more training like you do. Thank you for such a well described video and such good commentary that I can get as much from it as a sighted person.
Thank you Louise! This was great to read, thank you for sharing. All the best with your training.
Great video and very informative. Question, do you teach the dog to deliver toy back to your hands with food?
spot on beensaying this for yrs
I am curious about your approach with the dog in the video. Is the whistle effective, given the repetitive nature of your gesture andth enecessity of having a hand tapping for recall? What is the primary cue for your recall here? Your insights would be greatly appreciated.
great info, makes sense
Praise is for pets, I’ve had PPD and assistance dogs and they love their jobs. Especially with my assistance dogs it’s counterintuitive due to the amount of people trying to distract them. Do I reward them? Of course whilst they’re learning but I don’t need to throw food and praisr at them constantly. If you give it to them all of the time it devalues it. I love working my dogs and they love working with me and that’s something pet owners just don’t seem to understand.
Very good tip! I must admit i am a rewarder-boss! This is a good video to have a better insight with yourself. Imwill definately try sit before and after a cookie, and not rewarding with petting and praising.
I have a working dog and you are absolutely right. Rewards here are bites as my dog will ignore treats, lol. Simple bite on the tug is all she needs to be happy with the work I put her through.
New sub from Mew Zealand
Another great video treat “training” never works neither does over handling your dog. 👍
Brilliant video 😊
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the practical advice. It's good to see where I'm doing things wrong. I don't want to be seen as a treat dispenses
I don't mean this in a contradictory way, but I suspect a lot of this is because of the high standard of breeding you have in your dogs, and thus the innate desire they have to retrieve and the reward that gives the dog in itself. On the other hand I think it would be very hard to get my Old English Sheepdog / Poodle cross to retrieve all that well without praise. She isn't bad at retrieving either (to a pet standard).
100% correct
Exactly my thoughts and also, where is the line (and how to see it) between a happy, focused dog and a stressed, obsessed dog?
@@grimmar80 The tail is the line you're talking about!
Read don't "Don't Shoot the Dog". It will give you a different perspective on reward training. Treat training is great to get your dog to recall as fast as they can. You may not think you are not reward training, but all you have done is find what the dog really wants and rewarding a result with that reward i.e. retrieving.
I couldn't agree more, I use food rewards very occasionally and for very specific things, but I get off of them quickly and create an environment where the dog wants to do things for me
For a Sheepdog, a quick pat or a 'That'll do' is all they need
thanks for confirming that I don’t do anything wrong with my dog. I don’t even bring treats. they stay at home.
My fox red is five. Indoors he is a model dog. Outdoors… different story! Im still trying me get im calm on the lead.
You are constantly rewarding and praising the dog ...it's desire and reward is to go and retrieve and yes if you want a dog to do a sit and stay you have to reward it calmly especially if they are easily aroused ..once aroused they lose concentration on being calm and staying where they are ...and of course you reward kids the first time they do something new but once they have learned the behaviour the praise reward drops until the next new thing which is harder than the first ...the dogs you work with have a trait bred into them which is to retrieve so you work with that desire and make it a reward ..if you sit and wait you get to retrieve..now if you were to try that with say a terrier whose bred to chase catch and kill ..a thrown out dead toy won't cut the mustard as a reward .. for sitting still ..where as if you produce a long furry tug for them to chase an shake then you are rewarding that desire .. so although you say you aren't praising the dog ..you are rewarding the dog for performing a desired behaviour ..and the more you reward it the more you get ..so yes if you praise a dog and get it Highly aroused for doing a calm behaviour then the more it will get excited ...
Wow, Scout avoids me praising him when he’s looking for the next retrieve! He’s so focussed on it. Didn’t realise that’s what it was about.
I watched this video the first time utterly distracted by looking at Blue and Goose. Second time I listened to the words. 😊 My (male) Lab gets zero motivation from “good boy.” He also “plays the fool” if you get too hyped up (like Goose). My wife loves to talk to him and high voice him and he just does what he wants with (too much) energy. I barely talk to him at all but I make sure he’s checking with me and I’m watching him. I’m certainly not as good of a trainer, but I’ve had a lot of Labs. Every one was different but my current guy (Bomber) is just like Goose! Love this guy and his approach, but his dogs are movie stars! 😮😊
I know it’s a dumb question, these two dogs are beautiful. Where can I purchase one of this quality? I would love to have one like the red one.
This brings back memories of my first fetch training sessions with my pup. I'd offer her a treat for returning the dummy, and she'd grab it, spit it out, and stare at me like "there, now your hand is free for more throwing, let's go!"
My spaniel will not let me stroke him after he has fetched a ball. No way he just wants it thrown again!
I find praise and treats are great initially and in certain cases, but then getting the gap between a good behaviour and a reward should be made larger and larger.
Also, I sometimes made the mistake of saying "good boy" when he hadnt fully completed an action, like "down stairs" then giving praise for starting the action (ie when he is half way down) was usually followed by him turning round and running back up.
I love this, I took my well tempered but playfyul lab to a gun dog trainer and she just fed him with so much cheese he had diahherea after. He loves chasing, run and grabbing at things.
Hi a great refreshing approach that I will take on myself
Now do you think you could do the same with every other business that we all deal with asking how they did looking for praise
I’ve probably missed an episode but why does he use the dogs names as a release command or how does he do that which video
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😂😂 I was ready to criticise,,, ive never trained with treats but i do give praise where its due, have to agree with you on this one tho.!!!🤙
So glad I have discovered for video I would talk with people about this all I got back was no no your wrong
This actually a pretty basic principle:
If you want your dog to be calm, be calm yourself.
If you want your dog to go-go-go, get excited.
Sidenote - a praise not necessarily a treat or high-pitched excited squealing.
It can very well be that the dog can run for the dummy again :)
Good content though, down-to-earth and clear.
Thanks I needed to hear this. IMO this is why so many doggos are too plump.
7:10 sounds like our tipping culture.
People may get confused because these are working dogs that there reward is working. I totally agree with you but unfortunately most dogs are family and do not know work. I treat my dog now and again so he doesn’t always get a treat, because pavlovian conditioning can work for some dogs. And when you praise don’t over do it because they get to excited, I try a say it calmly it was the only way that worked to stop him lunging at other dogs now he’s so much better as I stop the treats he’s not interested just wants to walk. You have to do it slowly and they get used to hearing good boy. All they want to do is please their master and it’s a thin line and never give up, patience is the key.
Your conclusion was a lot better than the of the video, i gotta say. It's too specific of a case, to title a video "don't praise your dog"
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At what age generally, is a pup able to start obedience training; we have a 4 month old gdoodle; full of exhuberance!
Good points but there is a huge difference between a reward and a bribe. With a “working dog’” the “work” is rewarding in itself because it is in their very fibre (pseudo predation). It’s not necessarily cos the dog wants to work for you, it’s because you are controlling the ‘natural’ rewards. There is also something called depravation.
And this is the difference between a pet dog and a working dog.
Rewards when learning (whatever they maybe) make learning more effective. Works for humans too!
It heavily depends on the dog, smaller dogs like toy poodles reinforce a lot better to praise rather than correction. It never runs off after getting a treat, it sits next to me waiting for the next command or treat. It's 12 weeks old by the way. Also dogs are different than humans. Comparing dogs to children makes no sense whatsoever.
I do this naturally with my border collie but if he does an awesome ball catch I will praise him, he definitely hates any affection when he is 'working' aka focusing on tennis balls!
I disagree. At the end dogs are individuals. I have trained a couple of dogs during my life and I can tell you that some dogs do not need much praise and some need more. My actual Lab is a very sensitive one which needs a lot of reassurance and encouragement
Your videos are great and comedy when you pretend to be the dog 😂
Same goes for kids. And husbands.
Who knows, the guy might be right? But when he compared training dogs to raising kids, which is apples and oranges, I left the video.
Treats are not for already trained dogs abiding by commands. I have never seen or heard of a person giving treats to his 5 year old cadaver, after it comes to him upon it being called or sits down after being told to sit.
You use treats to instigate a patteren in the dog's behaviour, with regards to it receiving your praise, not cookies. Once instigated, this does not go away should you continue praising the dog in the same manner once it abides by a command. Treats are the tool, they are not the reward. You are.
Well youre using the dogs toy as a reward instead of praise and food. I wish my dog would pay attention to me were werre outside but shes more interested in the environment. Any tips on how to train without treats if you arnt a professional trainer?
this guy lost me at not saying thanks to his employees
Lol, that work analogy doesn't work well really. Most people go to work to get paid, the reward is the pay packet.