@@lainie4344 There's only one savior who provided a sacrifice ,and no ,it is not the men jesus,it is the father. The son said it himself i do NOTHING of myself the FATHER he does the works. The father's spirith was in that men reconciling the world to himself(the father).
See how you twist John 1? What it actually says is: 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14: The Word becam flesh and dwelt among us... It seems pretty clear to me mate.
Sure does. Notice it doesn't say the Word is Jesus..the Word is God. The Word, which is Spirit and Life (John 6), took up residence in the flesh man named Yeshua/Jesus. Jesus became a tabernacle for the Presence of God (John 1:14). When did the Word become flesh? At Yeshua's baptism where he became born again. When do we as the Body of Christ become the tabernacle/Temple for God? When we become born again, ie filled with His Spirit in the same way Jesus was. Hope this makes senae
@JKV84 "Who" is the wrong question. The Word is also used in 1 John. In 1 John is the right question "who" is the Word, or "what" is the Word? I John 1:1-3 NKJV [1] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life- [2] the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us- [3] that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
@@rock1474 it isn’t. Who do you identify being “God” in the first part of John 1:1? I know the Word is Jesus we agree on that, thats not what im asking.
@@petros-petra And? A quote made without explanation is subject to countless interpretations -- as to your intent, your meaning, but devoid of explicit logic. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@@RodMartinJr Jesus is God. _And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son _*_Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life_*_ ._ 1 John 5:20 ESV
Dear Brother, Thank you for teaching Word ofGod than Church,s teaching. Words of God is reliable than human teachings. Jn. 1:1 is about God and His word. But Jn1:14 is about creation of JESUS BY GOD. GOD CREATED Jesus by His word.
The comment regarding 1 John 2:22 from a UCA perspective caught my attention. The Jewish understanding of the Messiah is that he is one of David's sons (1 Chr 17:11-14). That he is the fruit of David's loins (Acts 2:30; 2 Sam 7:12). That he is of the Royal Seed who are males only (2 Kings 11). In other words, the Messiah must be the issue of a man in the line of that Royal Seed. So, from a Jewish perspective, if God fathered Jesus how can he be the Christ? It seems that the UCA denies Jesus is the Christ.
The Trinity is manmade nonsense and philosophy. The Trinity dies here John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God (the father), and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Luke 6 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. There is no way around this. The only true god and most high = the father Our Lord = Jesus No mention of the spirit (Odd huh) The Bible is 100 % clear on this unless you redefine meaning of words and try to jump all around scripture to nullify the above verses.
You are absolutely right. It can take days, months, or even years, but it is so freeing when one finally sees the truth. This goes for any doctrine. God bless.
Amen! And this reveals a deeper lesson for us all -- *_the NEED for Perpetual Humility._* EVIL loves darkness and one form of darkness (lack of awareness) is *_Certainty_* on any topic. We need to remain at least a little uncertain about *_everything,_* for only God knows the deepest level of Truth about everything. Humility *_allows_* us to see more, and to learn new things. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@RodMartinJr I came from a legalistic background where the gospel is never mentioned. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know what the true gospel was after 18 years of professing to be a follower of Jesus. It was all about their doctrine, and humility was rarely found. The organization was filled with internal fighting regarding false doctrines they proclaimed to be true. Pride is a stumbling block, and many refuse to admit they fall prey to it. It's quite sad as many attacked me after years of worshipping together. Daily, we must seek to be humbled and praise God for His patience. Some days are better than others, but each day, a lesson is learned. It's a difficult walk that I am eternally grateful for. I pray others will come into truth and experience what the spirit of God can do in their lives.
_And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son _*_Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life_*_ ._ 1 John 5:20 ESV
Satanic translation. The word is Aion and Aionios satanically mistranslated eternity and eternal where the oh so obvious translation is Eon and Eonian. The five eons. The words eternity eternal everlasting forever and ever do not exist in a properly translated Scripture. Only satan the wild beast and the antichrist are tortured. Everyone else is chastised. At the end of the fifth eon, right before which our Lord abolishes death, even Satan is graced with vivification, life beyond death.
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Him who is true = the father The son of him who is true = Jesus This is basic Reading skills
@@D12Min Yes it is. Who is "him who is true"? The one who has Jesus as a Son. Him who is true, the Father, HE is the true God. Just as in John 17:3, the Father is the only true God, that is Jesus' own words! The Son of God has come and given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true - that we know that He [not Jesus] is the only true God.
@@D12Min Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This (houtos) is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22. So Christ is the antichrist according to your Logic and reading skills. Nice. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This (houtos) is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John 1:7 Again here you would conclude that the flesh is rhe deciever. Nonsense. We read that the Son comes to give us understanding so that we might know "Him who is true." Jesus has come to give us understanding of the Father that we might know God the Father through His Son. We also read "we are in Him who is true, in HIS son Jesus Christ.” Here we see that Him who is true has a son named Jesus, "HIS son Jesus Christ." This is necessarily a reference to God the Father. Him who is TRUE HIS son Jesus Christ This is the TRUE God = the father This is just ridiculess and even scholars would agree.
LOL ! You will be telling me next that God is really not triune; that Jesus is only the Christ, the Son of God; that all good people don't go to heaven and that the wicked don't get roasted in the fires of hell.
This is a hot topic, and those of us who struggle with Trinitarian theology often do so in fear... fear of being misunderstood, fear of being ostracized, and fear of being labeled a heretic. The Councils of Nicea and Chalcedon and others, effectively squelched any discussion of the nature of God, and of Jesus, for 1,700 years. This was perhaps necessary at the time, but now that good Bible translations and source documents are readily available, there is no reason why the question cannot be re-opened, as it needs to be. Who can definitively state what the nature God is, and the relationship between Jesus and the Father? Add to that another entity (the Holy Spirit) who is also said to be God, and it gets quite confusing. In addition, there are even references to other divine personages in the Bible. Maybe we, as mere humans, aren't able to fully understand the nature of God. Maybe it's enough just to know that "He is", since that is how He identified Himself to Moses in the wilderness, when He said, "Tell them that 'I am' sent you.
Can I just say firstly that it’s wonderful that you have an open mind to discussing the nature of God. God loves and looks for those who are humble and teachable and have a thirst for the truth. If I may, I would challenge your take, to consider some things. The reason it gets confusing is because the doctrine of the Trinity adds confusion where previously there was none. The Jews never took God to be the idea of three in one. God has always been, and still is, one to the Jews, to the Muslims and even to a few denominations of Christians, and obviously was a key teaching of early Christianity too as the idea of three in one and even the word Trinity is never used in Scripture either, and it was itself debated at the Council of Nicea. As to stating the definitive nature of God, it is essential that we examine the inspired word of God and use that as our authority on the nature of God, and cross reference every verse that pertains to it in order to understand it. John 17:3 shows us that it is possible to understand the nature of the only true God and the one whom He sent, because everlasting life is dependent upon accurate knowledge of them and their nature and relationship to one another. Would it not be unfair to be promised everlasting life in the basis of accurate knowledge if we could not attain said accurate knowledge? Therefore we know we should examine the inspired word and let that teach us, and not the teachings of men who were evidently influenced by ideas present in Greek philosophy which corrupted their own teaching to “lead men after themselves.” Even the schisms and sects themselves that occurred after the deaths of the apostles was prophesied, so we should not be surprised or dismayed at the confusion. We simply need to ignore and wipe away the corrupted teachings and traditions of men and return to the healthful word. If Jesus says “the Father is greater than I am,” then we should take HIS word for it, not the clamouring voices of those who subscribe to traditions established outside of scriptural truth. The fact of the matter is, if Jesus and the Father YHWH were the same person, Jesus would not have wanted to confuse his audience by saying the Father is greater. He spoke simple truths and illustrations in order to be understood and to avoid doubt. It’s hard to get more clear than what he said there, but sadly, many proponents of the Trinity doctrine will jump through hoops to disregard or - even worse - twist what Jesus said in order to support a held position rather than to let Jesus speak for himself.
John 20:27-28 "27 Then saith he [Jesus] to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, *My Lord and my God* ." The above passage confirms that Jesus is also God. This is not an example of Roman Catholic traditional nonsense. It is scripture. Matthew 28:16-19 "16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, *they worshipped him* : but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, *All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth* . 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them *in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost* :" The above passage confirms that Jesus, as well as the Holy Spirit, is God: The passage, even in the Greek, reveals that one single Name is shared by all three. That name can only be "God", except in the mind of any who actually believe that Jesus instructed his disciples to baptize people in the name of God and of two others who aren't God. Unitarianism is not, in light of these clear statements found scripture, a very effective way of denying the divinity of Christ, except to persuade those who ignore scripture.
There are great responses to the verses you brought up here: www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/john-20-28. And here: www.revisedenglishversion.com/comm/Matt/28/19. However, how do you respond to John 17:3 when Jesus himself calls the Father "the Only True God" AND "Jesus Christ whom you have sent"? Do you see how Jesus is clearly distinguished from the Only True God?
He didn’t do much searching as he claims. Read the first chapter of the book of Revelation. Here are some verses from The book of Isaiah. For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
wrt Revelation 1 "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place." Distinguishes Jesus from God right away, as per usual with the NT. "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth." Indicates that Jesus was dead, yet was awakened from the dead, something God cannot do, because God cannot die. "has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father" Indicates that Jesus, even in his exaltation, has the Father as his God. This means the Father, not Jesus, is the Almighty God. This is confirmed in v8, where it is the Lord God, not Jesus, who claims to be the Almighty. "I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades." God cannot die. While Jesus is called 'the first and the last', Him being an exalted human is consistent with the Isaiah 41:4 meaning of this title, because God has authorized Jesus to call up all generations, from first to last, to their judgement. wrt Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 9:6 is never quoted in the NT to refer to Jesus, and the Septuagint version of Isaiah 9:6 does not match the Masoretic text that you quote. It instead reads "For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him." in this ancient witness of Isaiah 9, more ancient than the Masoretic text. Furthermore, Jesus is not the Everlasting Father - God the Father is. Anything else is Modalistic, because Jesus is supposed to be the Everlasting SON in Trinitarianism, not the Everlasting Father. So the Masoretic text version only makes sense if these titles are given to the child as a representative of God, not identifying him with the God he represents. (even assuming that Jesus is the one referred to here, which the NT never says, nor do any early church fathers ever say, because they didn't have Isaiah 9:6 in the form that you quote it, but in the form that I quoted)
@@TomHensley-g1n It's not that the word itself is not used, but that the doctrine of "God is three" is never taught. The concept could be there without the word, but neither the word nor the concept are present.
John 1:14 NKJV [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. So the Word was God then God came down.
In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if we keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem : 1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God. So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
Not everyone is meant to be a teacher. You will be judged more harshly for speaking falsely. You don't need an exact phrase to have an accurate meaning. This happens constantly in the old and new testaments. You need to step back, repent and stop teaching this garbage.
The point of the video is that when Trinitarian pastors consistently use vocabulary that is not in the scriptures to describe Jesus and the Trinity, it creates bias. Not that you have to have an exact phrase to have an accurate meaning. Did you watch the video?
I Corinthians 8:6 NKJV "yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live." If this verse does not get through to you, nothing will. There is no trinity.
really like some of the content on the errors of the trinity, but i think I would still strongly disagree. it seems you hold to essentially the JW view of Jesus, that he is just a man? that the person who is Jesus, called the Son of God, that his existence started at his fleshly birth in Bethlehem? versus the Jesus I see in scripture is the true son of God, a son before Bethlehem. the son of God became the son of Man. he was divine, and pre-existing, that is existing before creation. if the son had a beginning before creation, or how he was begotten, we really cannot say, only that he was begotten. that is the whole testimony of scripture, and of the early church
also Jesus could rightly be called Lord and God, just not in the sense of his father. he was made Lord by his father. both are our Creator, yet it is from the Father and through and for the Son. that makes the father God Almighty, the source of all, God in the highest, and the one from whom all things came to be. the Son is under him, and then all things under him and given to him.
Great points. And I see the truth of it. God created ONE Son -- Adam -- in His image. Later, God created man from the dust of the ground which is NOT His image. In John 3.13, one way to read it (especially if this is part of Christ's words to Nicodemus, rather than those of the narrator, John) is to see Christ as one of us, BUT who became the First to figure out *_how_* to return to Heaven. Then, in Heaven, he received his commission from God Almighty -- a commission built on Love: Return to Earth to be sacrificed so that all the sins of the world may be forgiven. And now, Christ is the *_Last Adam,_* with us -- the members of the Church -- becoming the Body of Christ, or Adam. Thus, Christ is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, with Adam being made whole again, but without all of the impure parts he held in the Garden. Adam went from being a *_Receiver_* of God's *_Giving,_* to a *_Giver,_* just like God. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe Jesus is merely a man whose existence started with his birth in Bethlehem. They believe he pre-existed his human birth for some extremely long and unknown period of time as the first creation of God and worked alongside God as his co-creator. You might be thinking of Christadelphians who deny the pre-existence of Jesus as the Son of God.
God can't be confined to a "trinity". But these people go the wrong way... God is not less than a trinity God is more than a trinity. Any time people try to put God in a box they are out of their minds.
@@br.m I do not see that they did what you suggest they did. Straw man! The Trinity does not exist. Therefore everything is greater than the Trinity. I do agree, however, God is not "boxable." 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't true. God is a spirit, He cannot be seen. Jesus is a human, flesh and blood, necessary for a blood sacrifice. When Jesus was being baptized the Holy Spirit came down on Him like a dove and a voice from heaven. In that moment, God the Father, God the Son, and God's Holy Spirit were present in one place. You are misleading people with your limited understanding.
John 8:58, John 10:30, John 1:1, Hebrews 1:3, John 20:28, Colossians 1:15, John 14:6-9, Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8. The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit share the same Nature, God. Three Persons, one God. It's not debatable, if anyone has a verse that could disprove me, give it. I'll explain it. Edit: Removed Titus 2:13
Appealing to Titus 2:13 means not paying attention to what's actually written. Paul is calling Jesus the GLORY OF our great God and Savior (the Father). Using this as a deity of Christ prooftexts only works if you remove those words.
@@skibidilastbreathsa-zv6wd I'll hit on John 10 a bit, next. First thing to establish, what did Jesus mean by He and God being one? There's a helpful passage, John 17, which has two different times (v11, v21-23) where Jesus prays for believers to be one "as We (God and Jesus) are one". The fact that believers are to be one, just as God and Jesus are one, indicates that it isn't the Trinitarian metaphysic of "homoousios in essence" that's in view, but the much more down-to-earth unity of purpose that's in view, which God and Jesus enjoy, and which Jesus prays for believers to also enjoy. This matches with the context, talking about the fact that neither Jesus nor God are going to allow the true sheep from being snatched out of their hands. Secondly, but don't the Jews accuse him of "making himself God"? The problem here is with translation - most of the time the Almighty God is described as "the God" in Greek, but that isn't said here. He isn't accused of making himself "the God", he is accused of making himself "god", i.e. making himself divine. Is there any evidence of what I'm saying here, or is this just an impasse? No, there is: Jesus is being accused here, and most translations, though they mess up v33, get verses v34-36 correct. Let's see the ESV of the verses: "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken-do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? Here, Jesus is debunking their accusation that he's making himself god/divine, but pointing out that in their own law it says "you are gods". Notice that, if the accusation was that Jesus was making himself THE GOD, that this would be a complete non-sequitur: what relevance does it have for Jews to have been called "gods" in some sense if the accusation is that Jesus is making himself God himself? Jesus' rebuttal only makes sense if he understands them to be accusing him of making himself divine, (an entirely possible translation of the Greek) not in making himself literally God. I can only imagine the fact that almost all Trinitarian translations translate v33 as "making yourself God" is due to letting what they think is going on in v30 entirely override what actually happens in v34-36, where Jesus responds to the accusation of v33. Worth noting, this is a lot like what happens in John 5, where Jesus is accused of making himself equal to the Father (compare John 14:28, where he says the Father is greater than he) and while Trinitarians try to use the accusation itself as proof, Jesus, instead of agreeing with the accusation (which would be true if Trinitarianism were true) instead argues against the accusation by claiming that he can do nothing by himself, but is only able to do what God empowers and authorizes him to do - that's the position of a servant, not an equal. Here, in John 10, an accusation of blasphemy is made that he is making himself god/divine, and his main response is that he is only calling himself God's son. (v36) [so even if v33 meant "making yourself God", which conflicts with the context, even then you'd have Jesus softening that to merely "Son of God" in v36] Thirdly, that verse 36 serves another issue to John 10:30 as a prooftext. It's often assumed that the Jews were about to stone Jesus because of what he said in v30, and that's supposed to indicate that they understood what he meant, and that it means what Trinitarians say that it means. But what does Jesus say? Jesus indicates that they accuse him of blasphemy for saying "I am the Son of God". He doesn't say that in v30, but in v29, where he equates "My Father" with "The Father", making God his own Father. If Jesus' own words indicate that they weren't declaring him blasphemous for what he said in v30, then either the Jews didn't get his point in v30 (in which case they'd have to admit that v33 must be mistranslated when it makes it out like they ""knew"" he was calling himself the one true God) ...or v30 doesn't mean what Trinitarians think it means, and that Jesus being "one in purpose" with God is the more likely interpretation, not that he is "the one God" with his Father. One final thing: the passage ends with Jesus saying "the Father is in me, and I am in the Father". Isn't this a unique divinity claim? Again, no. And the proof is pretty easy: compare 1 John 3:23-24 and 1 John 4:13-15 to John 10:38. The same language of you being in God, and God being in you, is applied to believers just as easily as Jesus. The meaning here is not a statement of divinity, as assumed, but is another expression of the same unity language expressed in John 10:30 - that Jesus is united with God in purpose, just as those who have the Spirit of God are united with God in purpose: God is in them, and they are in God. In summary: John 10 has Jesus responding to the Jews accosting him to tell them plainly that he is the Christ [the Son of God]. (the thesis of this Gospel, see John 20:31) He responds by telling them that he already has, but they didn't listen because they aren't his sheep, and that neither Jesus nor God, Jesus' Father, will allow these true sheep to be snatched out of their hands, because they are one. The Jews immediately go to stone him because they twist Jesus' words, and conclude that for God to be someone's Father would require that person to be divine themselves, a god. Jesus responds by pointing out that Jews in the OT are themselves called gods, so it cannot be blasphemous for him to merely claim to be God's son, even if that *did* involve being "a god". The passage makes sense without having to suppose that either of Jesus or the Jews are claiming that Jesus is God, and the assumption that this is what he's saying makes a mess of the passage, with all of v33-36 not making very much sense - in that interpretation, what Jesus is saying has nothing to do with the accusation, really, but in the unitarian interpretation, Jesus' words are entirely on point in rejecting the idea that what he said in v25-30 was in any way blasphemous.
@@NashRespect When in the Old Testament people were called gods? Unless I missed something. I still disagree, so, I'm going to leave you with something to think about. In the Bible, there could be found the sentence "In the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." But not the NAMES. Also, Jesus accepted worship, which is only supposed to go to the true God. God bless.
@@skibidilastbreathsa-zv6wd In Psalm 82:6, which is interpreted in John 10:34-36 as speaking about the people to whom the word of God came. God bless, goodbye.
I've never explored what Unitarianism is. I'm curious to know how is the concept of being given power to become children of Christ and adopted into the Royal lineage with Jesus Christ becoming our heavenly Father?
Not to be rude, but you are trusting man's interpretation when you read an English version of the Bible, no matter what version. One must interpret in order to translate.
@@biblicalunitarian Did you not read my above response? I thought I clearly said I trust what I read in the Bible over any man's interpretation. Not sure how much more clear I can make it. I don't read "versions" of the Bible, I only read the Authorized Bible, it is the only one that doesn't have man's opinions inserted into it. It is the true, inerrant, infallible words of God. Are you sure you're not following a man?
You are Jimmy's son? Is Jimmy a human? If so, then you are a human, too? Jesus is the Son of God, and Joseph was his step father. Son of Jimmy, Don't do this to yourself. Read the King James Bible. Stay away from all of Satan's modern Bible translations. We hope and pray that you have put your faith in Christ Jesus, for your salvation. Jesus, the Son of God, died on the Cross for our sins, was buried and rose again whosoever believes in Him has eternal life. Please read... Read 1 Corinthians 15:14 Acts 16:30-31 and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 May God bless you
I find that panentheism and universalism explains what Christ spoke about better personally but I found this interesting, I asked meta AI how Unitarians might explain off the whole “ I and the Father are one” quote and this is what it said, which makes sense: Unitarians, who reject the doctrine of the Trinity, interpret Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) in various ways: 1. *Metaphorical unity*: They see this statement as a metaphorical expression of Jesus' close relationship with God, emphasizing their unity of purpose and spirit, rather than a literal unity of essence or identity. 2. *Jewish context*: Unitarians point out that in Jewish scripture and tradition, it was common to speak of a prophet or righteous person being "one" with God, meaning they were in harmony with God's will and purpose. 3. *Jesus as a representative*: Some Unitarians view Jesus as a representative of God, sent to reveal God's love and teachings. In this sense, Jesus and God are "one" in purpose and message. 4. *Spiritual unity*: Unitarians may also interpret this statement as a description of the spiritual unity between Jesus and God, emphasizing the idea that Jesus was deeply connected to God and lived in accordance with God's will. 5. *Non-Trinitarian*: Unitarians reject the Trinitarian doctrine that Jesus is the same substance (consubstantial) as God. Instead, they emphasize Jesus' humanity and his role as a prophet and messenger of God. It's important to note that Unitarianism is a diverse movement, and not all Unitarians would interpret this passage in the same way. However, these explanations are some common approaches within Unitarian theology.
Biblical Unitarian You are totally wrong. You are saying that Jesus can't save because his not God. Then who is God and what is His name. 1 Timothy 1: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 John5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. This is Jesus. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This is why at one point I left Christianity, I’ve always loved Jesus, but the church has such small minded ways of thinking about the Divine. Like for example the Unitarian or universalist question, so many Christians have the “heretic” obsession where if you see things differently in any little way then your “not a true Christian “ ugh just exhausting. We should have the wiggle room to see things differently and still be a church. I believe that God speaks to us in the best ways that we can understand, God doesn’t force ideas but allows us to grow in time. God is love and God is life, however you may perceive Them.
a word cant become flesh and dwell amongst us , but Christ Jesus who is known as the word sure can and did! John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:8-9 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
I've never heard any church say God the son but if you actually read the Bible you will see that Jesus absolutely is God and I've never heard any church say that God became flesh. The Bible says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God Jesus is the word according to the Bible and the word became flesh according to the Bible.
Revelation chapter 1 4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. John's Vision on Patmos 9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
I was a Trinitarian Pastor - Not only did I have to unlearn what I believed but I did so with governing authorities breathing down my neck. Would you be willing to do a UA-cam live together? Perhaps even watching this video together? There is so much fruit I can add to what you said which is awesome. I hope the answer is yes. Whatever the case do this simple exercise using KJV... Search for "God The Son" and write down how many times it occurs. You already know it is zero. Search for "Son of God" and write down how many times it occurs. This is where this gets fun. Search for "God the Father" and write down how many times it occurs. Take the number for "Son of God" and compare it to "God the Father." What observations can you make from these two numbers?
@@onecrispynugget9959 Can you tell me where it says this in scripture? Better: Can you show me the verse where it explicitly describes the Trinity as a "reality"? 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@@RodMartinJr Actually I have two verses: “And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."” Matthew 3:16-17
@@onecrispynugget9959why does this prove the Trinity? It doesn’t. Jesus is baptised and god poures his spirit on Jesus and saying this is my son. How on Earth can you read the Trinity in this. Where does the Bible say that rejecting the Trinity is heretical? It doesn’t. You just make it up.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
@@jonbgalindo1 John 5:7 KJV Not of scripture that was added by Trinitarians bias translators 1000 yrs after you Trinitarians just regurgitate without searching and fact checking aka you don't study Gods words you follow pagan men!
@@Zipfreer Even if you don't think that 1 John 5:7 is a legitimate translation, there are verses that imply God is not a singular being, but plural. Genesis 1:26 is an example of this found in the Greek Septuagint. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that verse.
@@jamescrumbaker3169 Trinitarian scholars now admit this verse was not written by the hand of John. Having access to collections of hundreds of manuscripts, modern scholars are able to determine this verse was introduced into the Bible long after John wrote this letter. The evidence is so overwhelming that it cannot be denied. However, there are still Trinitarians, especially KJV Onlyists, who are unwilling to accept the facts on this matter and claim this verse is authentic. Your Comment shows you don't want to face or have truth and also shows you are unstudied in scripture and are ignorance in the Torah which is the foundation of Christianity go to my link as I prove it in studies
@@jamescrumbaker3169 At Genesis 1:26, there is nothing at all which suggests we should believe the passage alludes to the Trinity. The notion of a Triune being must be imagined into the text to have it say something which it simply does not say. We do not even need to know what the passage does mean to illustrate there is no justification for the eisegetical interpretation of Trinitarian apologists. The Trinitarian interpretation is a total fabrication crafted to suit their fancies. There is also nothing unusual about God identifying with a group and speaking on behalf of that group. And although they may not harmonize or promote the Trinity, there are more plausible and reasonable interpretations of this passage which are much more harmonious with Scripture than imposing the extraneous concept of a Triune God into the words "us" and "our." And indeed, the facts demonstrate the words "US" and "OUR" are a reference to God and His Wisdom - Wisdom, God's Amon at the dawn of creation. And the point of Genesis 1:26 then, is that man was made in the image of male God the Father, and female Wisdom, since man, male and female was made "according to our image." As a side note, I do not believe the above "Wisdom" interpretation excludes other interpretations such as, the pluralis majestatis, the pluralis excellentiae, or the "God and His angels" (heavenly court) interpretations, and perhaps others. I believe all of those interpretations are not mutually exclusive but complementary. In other words, each of them are different perspectives of the very same concept. I would also suggest that the interpretation described here is the basic framework upon which these other interpretations all fit together. Yahweh acquired me at the beginning of His way... When He established the heavens, I was there... Then I was beside Him, His Amon, and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in the world of His earth, and having my delight in the sons of men."
Colossians 1:15-19 Hebrews 1:1-3 Hebrews 1:8-12 Philippians 2:4-8 John 8:58 John 20:28 Isaiah 7:14 says that the child’s name would be Immanuel. El is a derivative from Elohim, which means God, and immanu means with us. Simply means God with us, and this is very obviously a prophecy of Jesus. John 1 never makes a distinction between the Word and God. In fact, it says “The Word was with God, and The Word was God.” In Matthew 22:41, Jesus quotes Psalm 110 to stump the Pharisees. They did not know how to answer him. Do you? 1 Peter 2:1-5 calls Jesus good. Wait but I thought Jesus said no one is good but God. Take scripture for what it is, not for what you want it to be.
You mentioned the Word throughout the prologue of John being distinguished from God but literally in the very first verse of John it says the Word was God.
Jesus is Alpha and Omega the first and the last. Jesus is God of very God. Jesus is God the Son and Jesus is the Son of God. You people did not search the scriptures.
I strongly believe that Jesus is not the angel of the Lord of the OT. The first thing to note is that no New Testament authors say that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord. This theory is purely speculative, and again, if it were true that Jesus was the Angel of the Lord, we would expect at least one of the New Testament authors to mention that. Secondly, in Exodus 3:2 we read, “And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. And he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire but the bush was not consumed.” So, the Angel of the Lord is present in this story, he is present in the bush, yet, when Jesus recounts this story in Mark 12:26, he says, “Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’” So, if Jesus was really the Angel of the Lord, that is extremely deceptive to say, “God said” rather than that “I said” in the burning bush. Also, Jesus speaks of the story from a third-party perspective, not as if he was there. This seems, at the very least, quite deceptive if Jesus pre-existed. Thus, there is no positive evidence for the fact that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord, and yet, there is evidence that directly opposes that idea.
1. Every Christian in the NT was baptised "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," and the great majority of them were Jewish. Every faithful Jew knew that the NAME of God was holy and unique to him alone (eg. “Holy and awesome is His name.” Psalm111:9, etc.) Notice how Jesus did NOT say "baptising them in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit." NOR did he say "In the nameS of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (As if there were three separate Gods with three separate names.) No, instead Jes used the singular "name" and the plural "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (i.e. one AND three or "trinity" to give the idea a theological name.) The point is that every inspired NT writer took the trinity for granted because he had been baptised according to the trinitarian formulation and he knew that all his readers had been too. The trinity was so taken for granted in the NT church that they felt no need to explain it. Instead, they made casual references to the deity of Jesus and the deity of the Holy Spirit throughout the NT. This is why we read trinitarian formulations elsewhere in the NT. “who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.” 1 Peter 1:2. 2. Compare the OT with the NT: “I, the LORD-with the first of them and with the last-I am he.” Isaiah 41:4, and Is. 48:12, 44:6, and when Jesus said, ““I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”” Revelation 1:11, 21:6, 22:13, Also, “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another” Isaiah 42:8 "“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another” Isaiah 42:8, and when Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” John 17:5 “Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.” Isaiah 43:10, and 45:5 and “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning... and the Word was made flesh.” John 1:1-2, 14 3. “the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised!” Romans 9:5. “Thomas said to [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”” John 20:28. “Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.” Philippians 2:6-7. “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” Colossians 1:15-17“For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,” Colossians 1:19. “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,” Colossians 2:9“his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.” Hebrews 1:2-3. “We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” 1 John 5:20 4. Rabbits beget rabbits, mice beget mice, humans beget humans, and God begets.... something completely different from himself? Don't be silly. God can only beget God. “the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18
Sorry I do not have time to respond to everything you commented, however, your last point, that "God begets God" simply does not work. Yes, God "begot" Jesus, however, Mary also "begot" Jesus, as begot just means to give birth to, or create. So by your logic, Jesus should be 50% man, 50% God as a normal child is born 50% like their mother and 50% like their father (give or take). Scientifically, we certainly cannot say one is born 100% like their mother and 100% like their father, as Trinitarians try to claim happened to Jesus (100% God, 100% man). We can't try to use the laws of genetics and apply them to this unique case because Jesus is an exception. He was born without a reproductive act, again another exception.
@@biblicalunitarian “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.” “I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.” Psalm 2:6-7
It's funny because I've generally have always been extremely open minded. To points where I'd believe a Christmas 🎄 tree was pagan. It could be but there's no real proof. I followed you guys for years and I believed it for a moment but this statement alone to me just brings apart Unitarianism. Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. Jesus literally quoted God's name from Exodus. I believe if you guys are correct you need to start doing debates and start practicing and get better with them. One good debate with let's say James White is something I'll need to see.
There have been debates on many aspects of Christ's supposed deity and the trinity, including the "I AM." Consider this: In Heaven, there is no time as we know it. Thus, every being in Heaven only ever IS and never WAS. That includes ALL of the angels. Thousands of members of the godhead? Christ also said, if you've seen me, you've seen the father. Trinitarians use this a lot as "proof" Jesus is God, but all that verse says, if you believe it means IDENTITY, is that Jesus is *_the Father!!!_* Thus, the verse is NOT one of *_Identity,_* but one of *_Harmony!_* 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
So in 10 verses later when the man born blind also says “egō eime” is he also claiming to be God and saying I Am or is he just saying “I am the man”? And why is it translated differently when he says it versus when Jesus says it? There are numerous other places where egō eime appears in the NT and it’s not translated as just I am.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Which man ever came down from heaven and is able to lose nothing of all (men) which are given to Him and to raise all these at the last day? Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: If you are not able to understand this piece of scripture, it must be that it is a 'mistranslation' in your eyes. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. You really think that I would put my trust in the blood of a mere man for my salvation? Just a mere man is able to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Are you serious? Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalms 16:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. I should put my confidence/trust in Jesus Christ, who is not more than a man according to you? Than God is a liar, because He clearly states not to put your trust in a man. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. If you are not able to understand this piece of scripture, it must be that it is a 'mistranslation' in your eyes. Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Just this verse is enough to destroy all your videos, or is it a 'mistranslation' in your eyes?
Do you not think there are any mistranslations in the Bible? Even Trinitarian versions differ on how to render Phil. 2:5-6 and Isa. 9:6 and many other key passages. And Rev. 1:8 is referring to the Father, not to Jesus, he is explicitly called the Almighty, which is a term used of the Father. There are certain Trinitarian verses which are not mistranslations such as John 20:28, most Trinitarian translations translate that correctly, "my Lord and my God"...now interpretation is a whole other issue. So, I am not just casting out any verse that doesn't fit my theology, but being realistic that certain verses are more difficult to translate than others, being a translator I encounter this all of the time. But to just close your eyes to any potential difficulties is dangerous. Many Trinitarian verses have either bad manuscript evidence (John 1:18; 1 John 5:7; 1 Tim. 3:16, etc.) or are Translated with a Trinitarian bias (because we all have bias, they are simply translating what they think it is saying), because the translators are Trinitarians (John 1:1; Phil. 2:5-6; 1 John 5:20; etc.). And to your point "You really think that I would put my trust in the blood of a mere man for my salvation? Just a mere man is able to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Are you serious?" Yes, that is exactly what the scriptures call us to do. It is the fact that Jesus is actually human that makes him able to substitute in the place of humans. Hebrews 2:17 - "Therefore, he had to be like his brothers and sisters in every way... to make atonement for the sins of the people." (CSB) Are we "God-men"? Because it says he had to be made like us, but if he is a God-man, he is nothing like us.
@@biblicalunitarian You should know that a mere man is and was and shall never be able to live a PERFECT RIGHTEOUS LIFE. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Only God is perfect! God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, the Son of God lived a perfect righteous life, and died for your and my sins, He shed His holy precious blood and was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures. John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I recently shared my current learnings with a friend of mine who's a former Jehovah's Witness and former Catholic and current Methodist. If I'm phrasing things correctly a more biblically accurate view of the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is that there is one God, YHWH, and the Holy Spirit is just God's acting in the physical world, and Jesus / Yeshua was born of Joseph and Mary (not the Holy Spirit and Mary), and adopted as God's Son at his baptism, then died, was buried, resurrected, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. Is that accurate? He's saying that sounds a lot like the JWs.
There are a few things I personally would disagree with in that statement, but there are a lot of great things as well. I do believe Jesus was born of a Virgin (Holy Spirit and Mary), and I wouldn't say he was adopted as God's son at his baptism. And you say he is not seated at the right hand of the Father? There are many clear texts that say that he is (Heb. 1:13; Luke 22:69; Acts 2:34).
Thank you. This is something I'm having a real struggle with in that there are those who will flat out call it heresy to "deny the deity of Christ" and then call into question whether they are able to have fellowship with a "denier".
Think for a moment about trhe "heresy" thing. All protestants are heretics according to the church group who made the word, Jesus was a heretic against religious majority pharisees. Noah was a heretic among all the others, David was a heretic among King Sauls government. So I am happy to be called a heretic now.
Remember Jesus said pray for you enemies . Not to break bread with them . Are we as God ? Or filled with his holy spirit, or are we just his servant ? The only soul I'm responsible for is my own .
You should not listen to this youtube channel. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same. These people leaning on their own understanding. The thing is both sides are wrong. God is Jesus and the Spirit and the Father, They are 3 and 1... The problem for trinitarians is they are wrong to limit God and try to place God in to a box. God is infinite, God can not be limited to 3. The truth is it is a non-topic and anyone fussing about this is a fool. Pay no mind and avoid these foolish youtube channels. It is empty deceit to take you captive. Your time is wasted with the people who work these topics.
"For us, there is one God, the Father" 1 Cor. 8:6, that is not leaning on my own understanding, but on Paul's understanding. The "Holy Spirit" is nowhere in the context of 1 Cor. 8:6, how could that be if he is defining a Trinitarian God?
@@biblicalunitarian Friend, you really don't understand the Bible, do you. The Spirit came down and rested on Jesus. It remained on him. Don't you understand that? You are bringing up a passage about idols.. Yet you fail to grasp that the Spirit came down and dwelt in Jesus. He and the Holy Spirit became one and he and the Father are one. That is how people get to "the trinity". It is when the Father, Son and Spirit all aligned. How can you be so blind.
So if Jesus is not God, why y there's only salvation in Jesus? Why you baptized in Jesus name? Why all knees will bow and worship Jesus? Why Jesus's name is about all names (including Yaweh)
@@jawnatutorowEonian High Priest. During the fifth eon, with the creation of the new heavens and earth, God the Father dwells on earth with its then current inhabitants. There will be no need then for a mediator. They will have direct access to their Father.
1. Why in the bible the only prayer Jesus teaches is to pray to the father? 2. Why the only thing Jesus called God in the bible is the Father? 3. Why in the bible Satan challenged Jesus to be a disbeliever of God? so he challenged God to be a disbeliever of himself!!!!!
John 1.... in the beginning, God made man and dwelt in us.... There was a man named John (Elijah, from the beginning) a witness to the light (from the beginning) Jesus is the light (logos of the father) to reconcile man back to how GOD made man, in the beginning. Man is made in GOD'S image, from the beginning. GOD has always been in man (omnipresent) man has risen above GOD (carnal mind) and fallen to his own understanding.... fallen sons/image of GOD.
The thing you have to ask yourselves is this: why did the Jews crucify Jesus? Who did Jesus claim to be (John 8:58)? If He did not claim to be God, the Jews would likely have left him alone. What was Jesus called when the angel told Mary she would conceive a son? The answer is found in Matt. 1:23. His name was to be called Emmanuel, which means "God with us". John 1 says that in the beginning, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was with God in the beginning. The Bible also says in Colossians 1:13-19 that by Jesus and through Jesus were all things made. In Genesis 1, the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth. If what Paul writes in Colossians 1 is true, then that means that Jesus made everything we see, including us! Colossians 1:19 also says that it pleased the Father that the fullness of God dwelt in Jesus. Beloved, the entire new testament must be thrown out if you do not believe that Jesus is God as much as the Father and the Holy Spirit are God. Something else that you will discover upon careful study of the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit is that Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments and gave them to Moses! in John 14:21, Jesus says if you keep His commandments, you show that you love Him. Jesus also gives the Scribes and the Pharisees a clue about who He is in John 8:5-6 when they try to trap Jesus with the law He gave them by stooping down to write in the sand. The Scribes and the Pharisees ignored that clue because they were not able to see the truth. Jesus is the I AM of the Bible (John 8:58). The Scribes and the Pharisees knew immediately that Jesus had claimed to be God because in John 8:59, they immediately take up stones to cast at him for what they'd consider to be blasphemy.
The Jews gave the reason in John 19:7, and it wasn't because he claimed to be God - The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he must die, because he made himself the Son of God.”
@@biblicalunitarian Okay, so you're saying the Jews never accused Jesus of claiming to be God? How about John 10:33 where the Bible says this: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."? You know what Jesus said to make them want to stone Him? He said "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30). Philippians 2:6 explains that Jesus thought it no robbery to be equal with God. The New Testament proclaims the deity of Jesus so much so that you'd have to throw it all out if you denied it. Saying that being the Son of God somehow takes away the deity of Christ is preposterous when you know very well that Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father (John 14:9).
@@jamescrumbaker3169 Representing the Father, which is what John 14:9 teaches is much much different from claiming to be equal to the Father. A messenger is not equal to a king for whom he delivers a message, but he does represent the king. Jesus explicitly says that he is not equal to God, multiple times. Mark 10:18, "No one is good but God alone." John 14:29 "The Father is Greater than I," 1 Cor. 15:28 - "then the Son will subject himself to Him who put all things in subjection to him, so that God is all in all." Also, being "One" with God does not make Jesus equal to God, because Jesus wants us to be one with Christ and God too (John 17:21).
@biblicalunitarian it's amazing how you can completely avoid what I said about the verse in Philippians and use verses like Mark 10:18 completely out of context to try and make an invalid point. Do you think Jesus deserves to be worshipped? Because you and I will fall at His feet one day and worship him whether we want to or not.
Philippians 2:6 does not say that Jesus is equal to God. "Thought it not robbery to be equal to God" is a bad translation. "Harpazo" (the Greek word) refers to an item or thing that can be taken or a prize to be won, it does not refer to an action "robbery." Most modern translations say something like: "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." This means that Jesus did NOT take equality with God, but humbled himself. That is the point of the passage. Now, you did not respond to any of the verses I cited. Jesus could not be clearer in those verses that he is lesser than God. Yes, I think Jesus deserves to be worshiped as the Messiah. One can rightly and faithfully "proskuneo" (worship) a King.
Read through Proverbs 8 then, and tell me who was with God at creation and God used for creation. Also, is "a god" a legit translation? And then, what does "word" mean prior to the Gospel of John in every book? If you cannot answer these questions then you likely have only understood your views to create a second God to the Father.
The correct translation is that God was the word. And even if you keep it, the word was God we would have a major problem : 1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God. So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
@@DisprovingLiesThis is incorrect. The original manuscripts translate literally as “the Word was a god.” When it says “with God” it uses the definite article, hence we get capital G God. In contrast, when referring to “was a god” it lacks the definite article. I highly suggest reading a the transliteration of the original script to see this spelled out for you because the original wording is impossible to deny, leaving John 1:1 as yet another commonly mistranslated verse used to support the doctrine of the Trinity where the original wording actually fails to support such a conclusion. Edit: I should add here that the original Coptic manuscripts came before the Greek and the Coptic has definite and indefinite articles where the Greek does not, so you can’t try and argue that it’s inconclusive either. It’s very clear and consistent with the rest of scripture.
@@chronic_daydreamerthat's a lie because even if you had the originals (which we don't) how would you determine they were infact correct? It's because we have thousands of manuscripts we can compare and contrast and know for 100 % we have the word of God preserved. God Said in psalms he would keep his word forever and we believe him. But I recall satan saying "yea hath God said..."
There's no definite article in John 1:1 so the best to translate the theos in John 1:1 is Divine There's a rule in greek if the theos is no definite article that is divine, while if there's deinite article in theos (ho theos - with definite article) that is pertaining to the God of Jesus (John 20:17) not to Jesus.
I agree it's not in the Bible. But the Bible is not in the Bible either. The Church and it's tradition came before the Bible. Jesus established the apostles and his church. The Bible grew out of the church.
The *_certainty_* of the Trinitarians and how it keeps them from discovering something closer to Truth *_REVEALS_* to us a deeper Truth which is also playing out in politics today. Children are being taught to hate America with such certainty, and to loath discussing this with others who disagree. *_EVIL Loves Darkness,_* and ONE form of *_Darkness_* is that created by CERTAINTY. And this fact reveals to us the VITAL IMPORTANCE of remaining *_Humble_* on every topic so that we do not become blinded by certainty. *_But won't uncertainty make life difficult?_* You bet it does! And we need to remain in fear of only ONE: God Almighty. Our humility to His will and confidence in His strength will guide us. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if you keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem : 1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God. So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
ALL Asons Begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed are elohim (little e). Psalm 82:6. born (begotten) again of the Fathers divine nature. One with him in spirit and deeds. All yltrue sons have dual natures until we crucify the old one and that takes work by the power of the spirit. Jesus wasnt perfect until the end after he finally crucified his WILL to do the Fathers will the same as we must do. Eventually we to will be glorified. The gospels are full of allegorical stories that were later literalized by the false church of Rome. Blind guides.
Many of the ‘allegorical’ gospel stories are speaking of the ‘two houses’ of ‘Israel’ that were split, with the ‘lost one’ returning through Christ. They can be seen in micro/macro lens, both manifest on earth(physical) as in ‘Heaven’(spiritual). Yah’s will.
@@FitTemple1 the word "christ" in Greek simply means "anointed". If you have been begotten of the Father then you too are his "christ" or his "anointed" chosen to save the lost sheep. It's not anyone name but a title for all firstborn sons of his spirit.
@@jdaze1 oh I see , ok let me clarify myself then Christ Jesus the Hamashiac … I was in the new age self realization beliefs for 11 years and delivered by Him.. Blessings of Grace and Truth 🙏🏼
@@FitTemple1You were delivered by the power of the Fathers Spirit. Not a man that lived 2k years ago. We all are given the same new name. Philippians 2:9-10, Revelation 3:12. That makes all his firstborn (firstfruits) his christ's. Or meshiachs. It's just a title. Meaning "Anointed saviors". Obadiah 1:21, James 5:20.
1 Corinthians 8:6 :"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." The bible is clear. We have one true God, the Father, nothing else!!
@@Dizerner The term "Lord" can be applied to humans as well, but "God" can only be applied to God alone. God doesn't need to be "Lord" because God is more powerful!!
Some things we can all agree on are that: Jesus created all things - John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-17. He is also the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end - Revelation 1:17; 22:13
Sadly, the church would rather listen to the church and its man-made doctrines rather than the teachings of Jesus. Believing that he has the truth will set you free. It is the teachings OF Jesus, NOT the teachings ABOUT him, that will set you free. It is the narrow path that leads to life. “Do not go along with the masses and doing evil.” Worshiping Jesus is idolatry, but following him is the way to salvation.
There is no way Jesus could be perfect and survive the human death experience (our sins imputed upon Him) unless He were God. The deity of Jesus does NOT require a Trinity, it only requires that He be God Himself robed in flesh (Col 2:7, John 14:7-9).
The whole point is that he didn't survive the human death experience, he died. And then he was resurrected by God (Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 10:39-40; 13:30; Rom. 8:11; 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1). If Jesus didn't die for our sins, our guilt remains.
The arguments against "God was manifest in the flesh" are pathetic. A "he" being "manifest in the flesh" is not a mystery, let alone a great mystery. GOD being manifested in genuine human form _IS_ the great mystery.......which has been revealed to those who have received the biblical truth that the God who created them loves them enough to have laid down his own life for them.
God manifesting _himself_ as a Son to _himself_ and sacrificing _himself_ on the cross: LOVE. "God" creating a personally distinct "son" and sacrificing that "son" on the cross: EVIL.
Free Will!!! Read John 3.13 very, very carefully. If these are part of Christ's words to Nicodemus, then he is telling us that before he was born as Jesus to Mary, he came down from Heaven, and before he was in Heaven, he was the first to go up to Heaven. He had the Free Will to choose to be a sacrifice so that he could take FULL responsibility for all the sins of the world. And that is the Truth which sets us free, just as a trauma victim can never be free of their suffering until they take 100% responsibility for what others did to them. Christ told us that there is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends. And, indeed, he is our *_friend;_* NOT our God. Christ is the Last Adam -- the Rebuilt Adam, with us -- the members of his church -- as the *_Body_* of this New Adam. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@@RodMartinJr _>>> "He had the Free Will to choose to be a sacrifice..."_
If the man Christ Jesus had the choice to *not* be a sacrifice, then that means he had the choice to sin against his Father. However, he did *not* have the choice to sin against his Father, because there was *no **_chance_* that the man Christ Jesus would ever sin.
*MATTHEW 1:21 (KJV)* And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for *he SHALL save his people from their sins.*
Here we have an *unconditional promise* from the LORD that JESUS would save his people from their sins. The chance of this *unconditional promise* being broken was exactly 0%. Because this *unconditional promise* required JESUS to be sinless, the chance of JESUS sinning was _necessarily_ 0%.
When the LORD makes a *promise,* _no one_ - not even the LORD JESUS himself - has the "choice" to break it.
_>>> "Christ told us that there is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends. And, indeed, he is our friend; NOT our God."_
If the "Christ" who is your friend is not your "God", then the "Christ" who is your friend is a _false_ Christ, and your "God" is a _false_ God.
My God is absolutely my friend, and HE "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could *lay down **_his own_** life* for us, raise _himself_ from the dead, and give eternal life to all who believe on _him._
And _his_ name, the name of my God _and_ my friend, who laid down _his own_ life for us, is "JESUS", the one _true_ God.
@@euston2216 Thank you for your opinions. I see the logic of them, but there is a superior logic to Truth which even I have not yet found, despite all the gifts God has given me. God cannot die; Jesus died. God is omniscient; Jesus isn't. God is omnipotent; Jesus isn't. Jesus was the Son OF God; not the God of God. Jesus is the mediator between God and man. God is the Head above Christ who is the head above his church (the Body of Christ) which is the head of man who is the head of the family including his wife and children. Christ is subordinate to God just as we are subordinate to him. When we follow Christ, we become Sons of God, just like Christ. The angels don't have free will; Christ does. But Christ put his obedience to his Father above his own needs, even in the garden before his arrest, praying to God (not himself) that this burden be removed from him. Yet, he accepted the inevitability of the burden. There are countless viewpoints on scripture. ALL but one (or *_All with no exception)_* are wrong. Getting closer to Truth should be our lifestyle; assuming that we have already arrived is not humble; and God loves our humility. Will my views continue to change? I don't doubt that they will. But having left the Trinitarian world behind me in 1959, I suspect I won't be returning. Good luck on your own journey. I pray that you find the humility to keep learning. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@@RodMartinJrOnly God the Father has free will. Has a will that is uncaused and uninfluenced. He only is sovereign. It was not the Son's will to be crucified. Yet, not Mine but Thine will be done.
*12 reasons I believe Jesus is God:* 1. A mere creation cannot have eternally co-existed with God. 2. A mere creation cannot have co-created the world. 3. A mere creation cannot be enough to atone for an infinite crime against holiness. 4. A mere creation cannot contain the principle of life itself inside it. 5. A mere creation cannot destroy the power of death in itself. 6. A mere creation cannot receive praise and devotion from every created thing. 7. A mere creation cannot hold all authority in heaven and earth. 8. A mere creation would have admonitions not to idolize or worship it. 9. A mere creation cannot potentially directly live inside of all human beings. 10. A mere creation would not ever be directly associated with anything divine. 11. A mere creation cannot demand that nothing be loved more than it as it would be commanding idolatry. 12. A mere creation cannot call itself the only absolute way and truth. At the point you are willing to accept all 12 things, it is virtually indistinguishable for me from God anyway, and Jesus is God to you whether you use the term "God" or not. The Father is just an order of rank above Jesus with the same attributes and this corresponds to Trinitarian theology. I believe we can find ample Scriptural evidence to support the above 12 points in both Paul and the rest of Scripture. Also when certain verses began to make me feel unsure of this, I have prayed about this directly to God for many years and received personal confirmation that this is the truth. So the question may well then be asked, "Why isn't it stated more clearly?" That's a good questions and I give a couple of reasons. 1. It is not a doctrine essential to salvation. It is very clear the 12 disciples during Christ's earthly minister did not at all fully realize who he was, and simply had a bare faith that he was a Savior, yet Jesus clearly says they were currently saved with their names written in heaven. 2. Doctrines are not required to be written out in the clearest way possible, but only to be written out in an essentially deducible way. We know the Bible condemns pedophilia without a verse that says "Thou shalt not molest children." 3. It is the "glory of kings to search out a matter" and all doctrine doesn't come by intellectually parsing the words of Scripture, but by direct revelation from God, as Jesus said "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you Peter." In light of this, I invite anyone to continue on their journey with a sincere heart towards God and fervent prayer, and am confident that in the end, if we continue and do not quit with a true humble and teachable heart, the Spirit of God will always eventually get us to true beliefs.
@@Dizerner no one really understands the trinity. Hierarchy is not what the trinity doctrine teaches, because the father son and Holy Ghost are equal. Myself I do believe in a hierarchy and that their is one God and Jesus prayed to that God. Just like I pray to that God.
@@Eric-iq1tg No, hierarchy is a part of the Trinity. Think how husband and wife are equal in being yet husband is the head. Equal in being, but submitted in rank. It's not that confusing if you give it some thought. The Father has the primary rank, this is why we observe his focus in Scripture.
@@Dizerner The Bible isn’t egalitarian, although you might think so. What Christ Jesus taught wasn’t egalitarian. Sin never entered the world because of Adam and Eve it was just Adams fault. My wife isn’t equal too me. As a Christian I’m to love her as if she’s my own flesh, just like Yahweh loves us all equally.
God became flesh doesn’t need to be explicitly stated for it to be true. John makes that clear in saying that the Word is God. So if the Word is God, and the Word put on flesh, then obviously it’s God that did it. Where John is getting the Word being God is from the Old Testament where the word over and over speaks to the prophets and is said to be God, which is how we can know that Johns statement on the word is true because it was already shown and written
The "Word" is purpose or intent -- *_"Logos."_* From the Word we get Light and Darkness, Sea and Land, Sun Moon and Stars, Fish, Land Animals, Birds, and Man. All of these things are not suddenly God. But they are the manifestation of God's intent or purpose. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if we keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem : 1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God. So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
@@DisprovingLies It’s not implying the Word was God but not anymore, he’s indicating that the Word of God has always been God which is shown throughout scripture, like you can say God always was
@@marktravis5162 We can be fair and say the verse doesn't say "always" or "not anymore" so both of us we are adding to the scripture, but what we can do is to keep everything as it is. The correct translation also says, "God was the word," so it's more like the message was "God."
@@DisprovingLies God always was lol so in that sense It’s not adding to it and everything that’s written in the new covenant has to be pointed back to what’s written before it in scripture to validate whatever is being stated
Been there I used to be Trinitarian until you stop and read for yourself Malachi 2:10 and John 5:30 was my wake up call to the father being God alone.
Amen I agree 100%
@@user-followyeshuaread Titus 2:13 and Titus 3:4. Who is the Savior? Read Isaiah 43:12 How many Saviors are there?
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There's only one savior who provided a sacrifice ,and no ,it is not the men jesus,it is the father. The son said it himself i do NOTHING of myself the FATHER he does the works.
The father's spirith was in that men reconciling the world to himself(the father).
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Are you real Officer Tatum??? Are you a Biblical Unitarian?
See how you twist John 1? What it actually says is:
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14: The Word becam flesh and dwelt among us...
It seems pretty clear to me mate.
Sure does. Notice it doesn't say the Word is Jesus..the Word is God. The Word, which is Spirit and Life (John 6), took up residence in the flesh man named Yeshua/Jesus. Jesus became a tabernacle for the Presence of God (John 1:14). When did the Word become flesh? At Yeshua's baptism where he became born again. When do we as the Body of Christ become the tabernacle/Temple for God? When we become born again, ie filled with His Spirit in the same way Jesus was.
Hope this makes senae
Who is “God” in the first part? “And the Word was with God”…
@JKV84 "Who" is the wrong question. The Word is also used in 1 John. In 1 John is the right question "who" is the Word, or "what" is the Word?
I John 1:1-3 NKJV
[1] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life- [2] the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us- [3] that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
@@rock1474 it isn’t. Who do you identify being “God” in the first part of John 1:1? I know the Word is Jesus we agree on that, thats not what im asking.
@JKV84 God in John 1 is Yahweh of Hosts, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Catholics also use: *_"Mother of God"_* to describe Mary, mother of Jesus. This is also nowhere in scripture.
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_And why is this granted to me that the _*_mother of my Lord_*_ should come to me?_
Luke 1:43 ESV
@@petros-petra And? A quote made without explanation is subject to countless interpretations -- as to your intent, your meaning, but devoid of explicit logic.
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@@ThePeaceofWildThings Yes, perhaps. With a brother-in-law who is a Catholic priest, I can understand that sentiment.
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@@ThePeaceofWildThings What is idolatry? What is veneration? Is honoring your own Mother, as the ten commandments command us to do, also worship?
@@RodMartinJr Jesus is God.
_And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son _*_Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life_*_ ._
1 John 5:20 ESV
A very good video summarizing non-biblical phrases. Thank you.
Dear Brother,
Thank you for teaching Word ofGod than Church,s teaching.
Words of God is reliable than
human teachings.
Jn. 1:1 is about God and His word.
But Jn1:14 is about creation of
JESUS BY GOD. GOD CREATED
Jesus by His word.
Wow, finally, someone whose eyes are not blinded by tradition! I love this guy!
Unlike most of the comment section they are blind and brainwashed in false doctrines
The comment regarding 1 John 2:22 from a UCA perspective caught my attention. The Jewish understanding of the Messiah is that he is one of David's sons (1 Chr 17:11-14). That he is the fruit of David's loins (Acts 2:30; 2 Sam 7:12). That he is of the Royal Seed who are males only (2 Kings 11). In other words, the Messiah must be the issue of a man in the line of that Royal Seed. So, from a Jewish perspective, if God fathered Jesus how can he be the Christ? It seems that the UCA denies Jesus is the Christ.
The Trinity is manmade nonsense and philosophy.
The Trinity dies here
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God (the father), and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Luke 6 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
There is no way around this.
The only true god and most high = the father
Our Lord = Jesus
No mention of the spirit (Odd huh)
The Bible is 100 % clear on this unless you redefine meaning of words and try to jump all around scripture to nullify the above verses.
To unlearn something that we have believed as solid truth for a very long time is not easy.
You are absolutely right. It can take days, months, or even years, but it is so freeing when one finally sees the truth. This goes for any doctrine. God bless.
Amen! And this reveals a deeper lesson for us all -- *_the NEED for Perpetual Humility._*
EVIL loves darkness and one form of darkness (lack of awareness) is *_Certainty_* on any topic. We need to remain at least a little uncertain about *_everything,_* for only God knows the deepest level of Truth about everything. Humility *_allows_* us to see more, and to learn new things.
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I found it really exciting, the bible just came alive without the weird bits.
@@RodMartinJr very true.
@RodMartinJr I came from a legalistic background where the gospel is never mentioned. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know what the true gospel was after 18 years of professing to be a follower of Jesus. It was all about their doctrine, and humility was rarely found. The organization was filled with internal fighting regarding false doctrines they proclaimed to be true. Pride is a stumbling block, and many refuse to admit they fall prey to it. It's quite sad as many attacked me after years of worshipping together.
Daily, we must seek to be humbled and praise God for His patience. Some days are better than others, but each day, a lesson is learned. It's a difficult walk that I am eternally grateful for. I pray others will come into truth and experience what the spirit of God can do in their lives.
_And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son _*_Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life_*_ ._
1 John 5:20 ESV
Satanic translation. The word is Aion and Aionios satanically mistranslated eternity and eternal where the oh so obvious translation is Eon and Eonian. The five eons. The words eternity eternal everlasting forever and ever do not exist in a properly translated Scripture. Only satan the wild beast and the antichrist are tortured. Everyone else is chastised. At the end of the fifth eon, right before which our Lord abolishes death, even Satan is graced with vivification, life beyond death.
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Him who is true = the father
The son of him who is true = Jesus
This is basic Reading skills
@@JKV84 in basic reading skills the pronoun refers to the closest antecedent unless context indicates otherwise - which here it doesn´t.
@@D12Min Yes it is. Who is "him who is true"? The one who has Jesus as a Son. Him who is true, the Father, HE is the true God. Just as in John 17:3, the Father is the only true God, that is Jesus' own words! The Son of God has come and given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true - that we know that He [not Jesus] is the only true God.
@@D12Min Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This (houtos) is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22.
So Christ is the antichrist according to your Logic and reading skills. Nice.
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This (houtos) is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John 1:7
Again here you would conclude that the flesh is rhe deciever.
Nonsense.
We read that the Son comes to give us understanding so that we might know "Him who is true." Jesus has come to give us understanding of the Father that we might know God the Father through His Son.
We also read "we are in Him who is true, in HIS son Jesus Christ.” Here we see that Him who is true has a son named Jesus, "HIS son Jesus Christ." This is necessarily a reference to God the Father.
Him who is TRUE
HIS son Jesus Christ
This is the TRUE God = the father
This is just ridiculess and even scholars would agree.
LOL ! You will be telling me next that God is really not triune; that Jesus is only the Christ, the Son of God; that all good people don't go to heaven and that the wicked don't get roasted in the fires of hell.
This is a hot topic, and those of us who struggle with Trinitarian theology often do so in fear... fear of being misunderstood, fear of being ostracized, and fear of being labeled a heretic. The Councils of Nicea and Chalcedon and others, effectively squelched any discussion of the nature of God, and of Jesus, for 1,700 years. This was perhaps necessary at the time, but now that good Bible translations and source documents are readily available, there is no reason why the question cannot be re-opened, as it needs to be. Who can definitively state what the nature God is, and the relationship between Jesus and the Father? Add to that another entity (the Holy Spirit) who is also said to be God, and it gets quite confusing. In addition, there are even references to other divine personages in the Bible. Maybe we, as mere humans, aren't able to fully understand the nature of God. Maybe it's enough just to know that "He is", since that is how He identified Himself to Moses in the wilderness, when He said, "Tell them that 'I am' sent you.
Can I just say firstly that it’s wonderful that you have an open mind to discussing the nature of God. God loves and looks for those who are humble and teachable and have a thirst for the truth.
If I may, I would challenge your take, to consider some things. The reason it gets confusing is because the doctrine of the Trinity adds confusion where previously there was none. The Jews never took God to be the idea of three in one. God has always been, and still is, one to the Jews, to the Muslims and even to a few denominations of Christians, and obviously was a key teaching of early Christianity too as the idea of three in one and even the word Trinity is never used in Scripture either, and it was itself debated at the Council of Nicea.
As to stating the definitive nature of God, it is essential that we examine the inspired word of God and use that as our authority on the nature of God, and cross reference every verse that pertains to it in order to understand it. John 17:3 shows us that it is possible to understand the nature of the only true God and the one whom He sent, because everlasting life is dependent upon accurate knowledge of them and their nature and relationship to one another. Would it not be unfair to be promised everlasting life in the basis of accurate knowledge if we could not attain said accurate knowledge? Therefore we know we should examine the inspired word and let that teach us, and not the teachings of men who were evidently influenced by ideas present in Greek philosophy which corrupted their own teaching to “lead men after themselves.” Even the schisms and sects themselves that occurred after the deaths of the apostles was prophesied, so we should not be surprised or dismayed at the confusion. We simply need to ignore and wipe away the corrupted teachings and traditions of men and return to the healthful word.
If Jesus says “the Father is greater than I am,” then we should take HIS word for it, not the clamouring voices of those who subscribe to traditions established outside of scriptural truth. The fact of the matter is, if Jesus and the Father YHWH were the same person, Jesus would not have wanted to confuse his audience by saying the Father is greater. He spoke simple truths and illustrations in order to be understood and to avoid doubt. It’s hard to get more clear than what he said there, but sadly, many proponents of the Trinity doctrine will jump through hoops to disregard or - even worse - twist what Jesus said in order to support a held position rather than to let Jesus speak for himself.
Nice
John 20:27-28 "27 Then saith he [Jesus] to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, *My Lord and my God* ."
The above passage confirms that Jesus is also God. This is not an example of Roman Catholic traditional nonsense. It is scripture.
Matthew 28:16-19 "16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, *they worshipped him* : but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, *All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth* . 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them *in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost* :"
The above passage confirms that Jesus, as well as the Holy Spirit, is God:
The passage, even in the Greek, reveals that one single Name is shared by all three. That name can only be "God", except in the mind of any who actually believe that Jesus instructed his disciples to baptize people in the name of God and of two others who aren't God.
Unitarianism is not, in light of these clear statements found scripture, a very effective way of denying the divinity of Christ, except to persuade those who ignore scripture.
There are great responses to the verses you brought up here: www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/john-20-28. And here: www.revisedenglishversion.com/comm/Matt/28/19.
However, how do you respond to John 17:3 when Jesus himself calls the Father "the Only True God" AND "Jesus Christ whom you have sent"? Do you see how Jesus is clearly distinguished from the Only True God?
He didn’t do much searching as he claims. Read the first chapter of the book of Revelation. Here are some verses from The book of Isaiah.
For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
wrt Revelation 1
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place."
Distinguishes Jesus from God right away, as per usual with the NT.
"Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth."
Indicates that Jesus was dead, yet was awakened from the dead, something God cannot do, because God cannot die.
"has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father"
Indicates that Jesus, even in his exaltation, has the Father as his God. This means the Father, not Jesus, is the Almighty God. This is confirmed in v8, where it is the Lord God, not Jesus, who claims to be the Almighty.
"I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades."
God cannot die. While Jesus is called 'the first and the last', Him being an exalted human is consistent with the Isaiah 41:4 meaning of this title, because God has authorized Jesus to call up all generations, from first to last, to their judgement.
wrt Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 is never quoted in the NT to refer to Jesus, and the Septuagint version of Isaiah 9:6 does not match the Masoretic text that you quote. It instead reads
"For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him."
in this ancient witness of Isaiah 9, more ancient than the Masoretic text.
Furthermore, Jesus is not the Everlasting Father - God the Father is. Anything else is Modalistic, because Jesus is supposed to be the Everlasting SON in Trinitarianism, not the Everlasting Father.
So the Masoretic text version only makes sense if these titles are given to the child as a representative of God, not identifying him with the God he represents. (even assuming that Jesus is the one referred to here, which the NT never says, nor do any early church fathers ever say, because they didn't have Isaiah 9:6 in the form that you quote it, but in the form that I quoted)
So because the Bible doesn't say the Trinity you don't believe in the Trinity?
@@TomHensley-g1n It's not that the word itself is not used, but that the doctrine of "God is three" is never taught. The concept could be there without the word, but neither the word nor the concept are present.
John 1:14 NKJV
[14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
So the Word was God then God came down.
Deut 18 18 19 explains how the word became flesh.
I've read the first few verses of John are grossly mistranslated. As in, the word was TOWARDS God, and God became the word.
Jesus became flesh yes. It does not say he is the almighty.
In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if we keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem :
1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God.
So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
So, if the "Word" was God, who was "with God" in John 1:1b?
Not everyone is meant to be a teacher. You will be judged more harshly for speaking falsely.
You don't need an exact phrase to have an accurate meaning. This happens constantly in the old and new testaments.
You need to step back, repent and stop teaching this garbage.
The point of the video is that when Trinitarian pastors consistently use vocabulary that is not in the scriptures to describe Jesus and the Trinity, it creates bias. Not that you have to have an exact phrase to have an accurate meaning. Did you watch the video?
Great video! I love how God has giving you a great way to explain the Bible and expose traditions that are not on the Bible. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
I Corinthians 8:6 NKJV
"yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live."
If this verse does not get through to you, nothing will. There is no trinity.
really like some of the content on the errors of the trinity, but i think I would still strongly disagree. it seems you hold to essentially the JW view of Jesus, that he is just a man? that the person who is Jesus, called the Son of God, that his existence started at his fleshly birth in Bethlehem?
versus the Jesus I see in scripture is the true son of God, a son before Bethlehem. the son of God became the son of Man. he was divine, and pre-existing, that is existing before creation. if the son had a beginning before creation, or how he was begotten, we really cannot say, only that he was begotten.
that is the whole testimony of scripture, and of the early church
also Jesus could rightly be called Lord and God, just not in the sense of his father. he was made Lord by his father. both are our Creator, yet it is from the Father and through and for the Son. that makes the father God Almighty, the source of all, God in the highest, and the one from whom all things came to be. the Son is under him, and then all things under him and given to him.
Great points. And I see the truth of it. God created ONE Son -- Adam -- in His image. Later, God created man from the dust of the ground which is NOT His image.
In John 3.13, one way to read it (especially if this is part of Christ's words to Nicodemus, rather than those of the narrator, John) is to see Christ as one of us, BUT who became the First to figure out *_how_* to return to Heaven. Then, in Heaven, he received his commission from God Almighty -- a commission built on Love: Return to Earth to be sacrificed so that all the sins of the world may be forgiven.
And now, Christ is the *_Last Adam,_* with us -- the members of the Church -- becoming the Body of Christ, or Adam. Thus, Christ is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, with Adam being made whole again, but without all of the impure parts he held in the Garden. Adam went from being a *_Receiver_* of God's *_Giving,_* to a *_Giver,_* just like God.
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Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe Jesus is merely a man whose existence started with his birth in Bethlehem. They believe he pre-existed his human birth for some extremely long and unknown period of time as the first creation of God and worked alongside God as his co-creator. You might be thinking of Christadelphians who deny the pre-existence of Jesus as the Son of God.
God can't be confined to a "trinity". But these people go the wrong way... God is not less than a trinity God is more than a trinity. Any time people try to put God in a box they are out of their minds.
@@br.m I do not see that they did what you suggest they did. Straw man!
The Trinity does not exist. Therefore everything is greater than the Trinity.
I do agree, however, God is not "boxable."
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Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't true. God is a spirit, He cannot be seen. Jesus is a human, flesh and blood, necessary for a blood sacrifice. When Jesus was being baptized the Holy Spirit came down on Him like a dove and a voice from heaven. In that moment, God the Father, God the Son, and God's Holy Spirit were present in one place. You are misleading people with your limited understanding.
Which god is a spirit? Holy spirit is a spirit. Jesus is a body. What is the father then? Is father and son the same person?
. God is spirit and Jesus is not human anymore
God and Jesus are not the same. They are One in unity just like we are with them.
John 8:58, John 10:30, John 1:1, Hebrews 1:3, John 20:28, Colossians 1:15, John 14:6-9, Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8.
The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit share the same Nature, God. Three Persons, one God.
It's not debatable, if anyone has a verse that could disprove me, give it. I'll explain it.
Edit: Removed Titus 2:13
Appealing to Titus 2:13 means not paying attention to what's actually written. Paul is calling Jesus the GLORY OF our great God and Savior (the Father). Using this as a deity of Christ prooftexts only works if you remove those words.
@@NashRespect Alright, that makes sense, what about all the other verses.
@@skibidilastbreathsa-zv6wd I'll hit on John 10 a bit, next.
First thing to establish, what did Jesus mean by He and God being one? There's a helpful passage, John 17, which has two different times (v11, v21-23) where Jesus prays for believers to be one "as We (God and Jesus) are one". The fact that believers are to be one, just as God and Jesus are one, indicates that it isn't the Trinitarian metaphysic of "homoousios in essence" that's in view, but the much more down-to-earth unity of purpose that's in view, which God and Jesus enjoy, and which Jesus prays for believers to also enjoy. This matches with the context, talking about the fact that neither Jesus nor God are going to allow the true sheep from being snatched out of their hands.
Secondly, but don't the Jews accuse him of "making himself God"? The problem here is with translation - most of the time the Almighty God is described as "the God" in Greek, but that isn't said here. He isn't accused of making himself "the God", he is accused of making himself "god", i.e. making himself divine. Is there any evidence of what I'm saying here, or is this just an impasse? No, there is: Jesus is being accused here, and most translations, though they mess up v33, get verses v34-36 correct. Let's see the ESV of the verses:
"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken-do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
Here, Jesus is debunking their accusation that he's making himself god/divine, but pointing out that in their own law it says "you are gods". Notice that, if the accusation was that Jesus was making himself THE GOD, that this would be a complete non-sequitur: what relevance does it have for Jews to have been called "gods" in some sense if the accusation is that Jesus is making himself God himself? Jesus' rebuttal only makes sense if he understands them to be accusing him of making himself divine, (an entirely possible translation of the Greek) not in making himself literally God. I can only imagine the fact that almost all Trinitarian translations translate v33 as "making yourself God" is due to letting what they think is going on in v30 entirely override what actually happens in v34-36, where Jesus responds to the accusation of v33.
Worth noting, this is a lot like what happens in John 5, where Jesus is accused of making himself equal to the Father (compare John 14:28, where he says the Father is greater than he) and while Trinitarians try to use the accusation itself as proof, Jesus, instead of agreeing with the accusation (which would be true if Trinitarianism were true) instead argues against the accusation by claiming that he can do nothing by himself, but is only able to do what God empowers and authorizes him to do - that's the position of a servant, not an equal. Here, in John 10, an accusation of blasphemy is made that he is making himself god/divine, and his main response is that he is only calling himself God's son. (v36) [so even if v33 meant "making yourself God", which conflicts with the context, even then you'd have Jesus softening that to merely "Son of God" in v36]
Thirdly, that verse 36 serves another issue to John 10:30 as a prooftext. It's often assumed that the Jews were about to stone Jesus because of what he said in v30, and that's supposed to indicate that they understood what he meant, and that it means what Trinitarians say that it means. But what does Jesus say? Jesus indicates that they accuse him of blasphemy for saying "I am the Son of God". He doesn't say that in v30, but in v29, where he equates "My Father" with "The Father", making God his own Father. If Jesus' own words indicate that they weren't declaring him blasphemous for what he said in v30, then either the Jews didn't get his point in v30 (in which case they'd have to admit that v33 must be mistranslated when it makes it out like they ""knew"" he was calling himself the one true God) ...or v30 doesn't mean what Trinitarians think it means, and that Jesus being "one in purpose" with God is the more likely interpretation, not that he is "the one God" with his Father.
One final thing: the passage ends with Jesus saying "the Father is in me, and I am in the Father". Isn't this a unique divinity claim? Again, no. And the proof is pretty easy: compare 1 John 3:23-24 and 1 John 4:13-15 to John 10:38. The same language of you being in God, and God being in you, is applied to believers just as easily as Jesus. The meaning here is not a statement of divinity, as assumed, but is another expression of the same unity language expressed in John 10:30 - that Jesus is united with God in purpose, just as those who have the Spirit of God are united with God in purpose: God is in them, and they are in God.
In summary: John 10 has Jesus responding to the Jews accosting him to tell them plainly that he is the Christ [the Son of God]. (the thesis of this Gospel, see John 20:31) He responds by telling them that he already has, but they didn't listen because they aren't his sheep, and that neither Jesus nor God, Jesus' Father, will allow these true sheep to be snatched out of their hands, because they are one. The Jews immediately go to stone him because they twist Jesus' words, and conclude that for God to be someone's Father would require that person to be divine themselves, a god. Jesus responds by pointing out that Jews in the OT are themselves called gods, so it cannot be blasphemous for him to merely claim to be God's son, even if that *did* involve being "a god". The passage makes sense without having to suppose that either of Jesus or the Jews are claiming that Jesus is God, and the assumption that this is what he's saying makes a mess of the passage, with all of v33-36 not making very much sense - in that interpretation, what Jesus is saying has nothing to do with the accusation, really, but in the unitarian interpretation, Jesus' words are entirely on point in rejecting the idea that what he said in v25-30 was in any way blasphemous.
@@NashRespect When in the Old Testament people were called gods? Unless I missed something.
I still disagree, so, I'm going to leave you with something to think about.
In the Bible, there could be found the sentence "In the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." But not the NAMES.
Also, Jesus accepted worship, which is only supposed to go to the true God.
God bless.
@@skibidilastbreathsa-zv6wd In Psalm 82:6, which is interpreted in John 10:34-36 as speaking about the people to whom the word of God came.
God bless, goodbye.
I've never explored what Unitarianism is. I'm curious to know how is the concept of being given power to become children of Christ and adopted into the Royal lineage with Jesus Christ becoming our heavenly Father?
John 1:1
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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@@biblicalunitarian I trust what I read in the Bible over any man's interpretation of what he thinks it means. That's adding to or taking away from.
Not to be rude, but you are trusting man's interpretation when you read an English version of the Bible, no matter what version. One must interpret in order to translate.
@@biblicalunitarian Did you not read my above response? I thought I clearly said I trust what I read in the Bible over any man's interpretation. Not sure how much more clear I can make it. I don't read "versions" of the Bible, I only read the Authorized Bible, it is the only one that doesn't have man's opinions inserted into it. It is the true, inerrant, infallible words of God. Are you sure you're not following a man?
You are Jimmy's son? Is Jimmy a human? If so, then you are a human, too? Jesus is the Son of God, and Joseph was his step father. Son of Jimmy, Don't do this to yourself. Read the King James Bible.
Stay away from all of
Satan's modern Bible translations. We hope and pray that you have put your faith in Christ Jesus, for your salvation. Jesus, the Son of God, died on the Cross for our sins, was buried and rose again whosoever believes in Him has eternal life.
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Read 1 Corinthians 15:14
Acts 16:30-31 and
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 May God bless you
I find that panentheism and universalism explains what Christ spoke about better personally but I found this interesting, I asked meta AI how Unitarians might explain off the whole “ I and the Father are one” quote and this is what it said, which makes sense: Unitarians, who reject the doctrine of the Trinity, interpret Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) in various ways:
1. *Metaphorical unity*: They see this statement as a metaphorical expression of Jesus' close relationship with God, emphasizing their unity of purpose and spirit, rather than a literal unity of essence or identity.
2. *Jewish context*: Unitarians point out that in Jewish scripture and tradition, it was common to speak of a prophet or righteous person being "one" with God, meaning they were in harmony with God's will and purpose.
3. *Jesus as a representative*: Some Unitarians view Jesus as a representative of God, sent to reveal God's love and teachings. In this sense, Jesus and God are "one" in purpose and message.
4. *Spiritual unity*: Unitarians may also interpret this statement as a description of the spiritual unity between Jesus and God, emphasizing the idea that Jesus was deeply connected to God and lived in accordance with God's will.
5. *Non-Trinitarian*: Unitarians reject the Trinitarian doctrine that Jesus is the same substance (consubstantial) as God. Instead, they emphasize Jesus' humanity and his role as a prophet and messenger of God.
It's important to note that Unitarianism is a diverse movement, and not all Unitarians would interpret this passage in the same way. However, these explanations are some common approaches within Unitarian theology.
Biblical Unitarian You are totally wrong. You are saying that Jesus can't save because his not God. Then who is God and what is His name. 1 Timothy 1: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 John5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. This is Jesus. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This is why at one point I left Christianity, I’ve always loved Jesus, but the church has such small minded ways of thinking about the Divine. Like for example the Unitarian or universalist question, so many Christians have the “heretic” obsession where if you see things differently in any little way then your “not a true Christian “ ugh just exhausting. We should have the wiggle room to see things differently and still be a church. I believe that God speaks to us in the best ways that we can understand, God doesn’t force ideas but allows us to grow in time. God is love and God is life, however you may perceive Them.
Trinity is in the Bible. Not the trinity word but the father the son and the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 48:16
a word cant become flesh and dwell amongst us , but Christ Jesus who is known as the word sure can and did!
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8-9
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
1John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Unitarians say Jesus didn’t pre-exist… have they read 1 Corinthians 10:1-13? It clearly states that the Israelites in the wilderness tempted Jesus.
I've never heard any church say God the son but if you actually read the Bible you will see that Jesus absolutely is God and I've never heard any church say that God became flesh. The Bible says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God Jesus is the word according to the Bible and the word became flesh according to the Bible.
Revelation chapter 1
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John's Vision on Patmos
9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
I was a Trinitarian Pastor - Not only did I have to unlearn what I believed but I did so with governing authorities breathing down my neck.
Would you be willing to do a UA-cam live together? Perhaps even watching this video together? There is so much fruit I can add to what you said which is awesome. I hope the answer is yes.
Whatever the case do this simple exercise using KJV...
Search for "God The Son" and write down how many times it occurs. You already know it is zero.
Search for "Son of God" and write down how many times it occurs.
This is where this gets fun.
Search for "God the Father" and write down how many times it occurs.
Take the number for "Son of God" and compare it to "God the Father." What observations can you make from these two numbers?
Dont be fooled Jesus is God this video is very misleading Isaiah 6.9
It is sad most of Christians don't want to believe the truth. There is no trinity.
Amen! There are three -- Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- but only one of these is in the "godhead."
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A denial of the trinity is a denial of God’s nature and a completely heretical belief straight from hell. Please repent.
@@onecrispynugget9959 Can you tell me where it says this in scripture?
Better: Can you show me the verse where it explicitly describes the Trinity as a "reality"?
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@@RodMartinJr Actually I have two verses:
“And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."”
Matthew 3:16-17
@@onecrispynugget9959why does this prove the Trinity?
It doesn’t. Jesus is baptised and god poures his spirit on Jesus and saying this is my son. How on Earth can you read the Trinity in this.
Where does the Bible say that rejecting the Trinity is heretical? It doesn’t. You just make it up.
Think of it this way, God is his last name, we will be in the God family. Remember God said, let us make man in OUR image.
You use logical fallacies to prove your point the moment you appeal to earliest manuscripts.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
@@jonbgalindo1 John 5:7 KJV Not of scripture that was added by Trinitarians bias translators 1000 yrs after you Trinitarians just regurgitate without searching and fact checking aka you don't study Gods words you follow pagan men!
@@Zipfreer Even if you don't think that 1 John 5:7 is a legitimate translation, there are verses that imply God is not a singular being, but plural. Genesis 1:26 is an example of this found in the Greek Septuagint. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that verse.
@@jamescrumbaker3169 Trinitarian scholars now admit this verse was not written by the hand of John. Having access to collections of hundreds of manuscripts, modern scholars are able to determine this verse was introduced into the Bible long after John wrote this letter. The evidence is so overwhelming that it cannot be denied. However, there are still Trinitarians, especially KJV Onlyists, who are unwilling to accept the facts on this matter and claim this verse is authentic. Your Comment shows you don't want to face or have truth and also shows you are unstudied in scripture and are ignorance in the Torah which is the foundation of Christianity go to my link as I prove it in studies
@@jamescrumbaker3169 At Genesis 1:26, there is nothing at all which suggests we should believe the passage alludes to the Trinity. The notion of a Triune being must be imagined into the text to have it say something which it simply does not say. We do not even need to know what the passage does mean to illustrate there is no justification for the eisegetical interpretation of Trinitarian apologists. The Trinitarian interpretation is a total fabrication crafted to suit their fancies. There is also nothing unusual about God identifying with a group and speaking on behalf of that group. And although they may not harmonize or promote the Trinity, there are more plausible and reasonable interpretations of this passage which are much more harmonious with Scripture than imposing the extraneous concept of a Triune God into the words "us" and "our." And indeed, the facts demonstrate the words "US" and "OUR" are a reference to God and His Wisdom - Wisdom, God's Amon at the dawn of creation. And the point of Genesis 1:26 then, is that man was made in the image of male God the Father, and female Wisdom, since man, male and female was made "according to our image."
As a side note, I do not believe the above "Wisdom" interpretation excludes other interpretations such as, the pluralis majestatis, the pluralis excellentiae, or the "God and His angels" (heavenly court) interpretations, and perhaps others. I believe all of those interpretations are not mutually exclusive but complementary. In other words, each of them are different perspectives of the very same concept. I would also suggest that the interpretation described here is the basic framework upon which these other interpretations all fit together.
Yahweh acquired me at the beginning of His way... When He established the heavens, I was there... Then I was beside Him, His Amon, and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in the world of His earth, and having my delight in the sons of men."
Colossians 1:15-19
Hebrews 1:1-3
Hebrews 1:8-12
Philippians 2:4-8
John 8:58
John 20:28
Isaiah 7:14 says that the child’s name would be Immanuel. El is a derivative from Elohim, which means God, and immanu means with us. Simply means God with us, and this is very obviously a prophecy of Jesus.
John 1 never makes a distinction between the Word and God. In fact, it says “The Word was with God, and The Word was God.”
In Matthew 22:41, Jesus quotes Psalm 110 to stump the Pharisees. They did not know how to answer him. Do you?
1 Peter 2:1-5 calls Jesus good. Wait but I thought Jesus said no one is good but God.
Take scripture for what it is, not for what you want it to be.
Rapture also is not in the holy word
You mentioned the Word throughout the prologue of John being distinguished from God but literally in the very first verse of John it says the Word was God.
I think that is a poor Translation of John 1:1, please see this video - ua-cam.com/video/wdilSjUkk0A/v-deo.html
Jesus is Alpha and Omega the first and the last. Jesus is God of very God. Jesus is God the Son and Jesus is the Son of God. You people did not search the scriptures.
@@MrcraigyMouse49 If Jesus is God he couldn't have died on the cross then.
What’s your opinion on The Angel of The Lord being Jesus? in The Torah/OT
I strongly believe that Jesus is not the angel of the Lord of the OT. The first thing to note is that no New Testament authors say that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord. This theory is purely speculative, and again, if it were true that Jesus was the Angel of the Lord, we would expect at least one of the New Testament authors to mention that.
Secondly, in Exodus 3:2 we read, “And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. And he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire but the bush was not consumed.”
So, the Angel of the Lord is present in this story, he is present in the bush, yet, when Jesus recounts this story in Mark 12:26, he says, “Have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’” So, if Jesus was really the Angel of the Lord, that is extremely deceptive to say, “God said” rather than that “I said” in the burning bush. Also, Jesus speaks of the story from a third-party perspective, not as if he was there. This seems, at the very least, quite deceptive if Jesus pre-existed.
Thus, there is no positive evidence for the fact that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord, and yet, there is evidence that directly opposes that idea.
1. Every Christian in the NT was baptised "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," and the great majority of them were Jewish. Every faithful Jew knew that the NAME of God was holy and unique to him alone (eg. “Holy and awesome is His name.” Psalm111:9, etc.) Notice how Jesus did NOT say "baptising them in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit." NOR did he say "In the nameS of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (As if there were three separate Gods with three separate names.) No, instead Jes used the singular "name" and the plural "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (i.e. one AND three or "trinity" to give the idea a theological name.) The point is that every inspired NT writer took the trinity for granted because he had been baptised according to the trinitarian formulation and he knew that all his readers had been too. The trinity was so taken for granted in the NT church that they felt no need to explain it. Instead, they made casual references to the deity of Jesus and the deity of the Holy Spirit throughout the NT. This is why we read trinitarian formulations elsewhere in the NT. “who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.” 1 Peter 1:2.
2. Compare the OT with the NT: “I, the LORD-with the first of them and with the last-I am he.” Isaiah 41:4, and Is. 48:12, 44:6, and when Jesus said, ““I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”” Revelation 1:11, 21:6, 22:13, Also, “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another” Isaiah 42:8
"“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another” Isaiah 42:8, and when Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” John 17:5
“Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.” Isaiah 43:10, and 45:5 and “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning... and the Word was made flesh.” John 1:1-2, 14
3. “the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised!” Romans 9:5. “Thomas said to [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”” John 20:28. “Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.” Philippians 2:6-7. “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” Colossians 1:15-17“For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,” Colossians 1:19. “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,” Colossians 2:9“his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.” Hebrews 1:2-3. “We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” 1 John 5:20
4. Rabbits beget rabbits, mice beget mice, humans beget humans, and God begets.... something completely different from himself? Don't be silly. God can only beget God. “the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18
Sorry I do not have time to respond to everything you commented, however, your last point, that "God begets God" simply does not work. Yes, God "begot" Jesus, however, Mary also "begot" Jesus, as begot just means to give birth to, or create. So by your logic, Jesus should be 50% man, 50% God as a normal child is born 50% like their mother and 50% like their father (give or take). Scientifically, we certainly cannot say one is born 100% like their mother and 100% like their father, as Trinitarians try to claim happened to Jesus (100% God, 100% man). We can't try to use the laws of genetics and apply them to this unique case because Jesus is an exception. He was born without a reproductive act, again another exception.
@@biblicalunitarian “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”
“I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.” Psalm 2:6-7
Isaiah 9.6
No the word is not distinguished from God in the Bible it clearly states that the word was God.
The word is not God. That is a poor translation as I explain in this video - ua-cam.com/video/wdilSjUkk0A/v-deo.html
Galatians 1:8
It's funny because I've generally have always been extremely open minded. To points where I'd believe a Christmas 🎄 tree was pagan. It could be but there's no real proof. I followed you guys for years and I believed it for a moment but this statement alone to me just brings apart Unitarianism.
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
Jesus literally quoted God's name from Exodus.
I believe if you guys are correct you need to start doing debates and start practicing and get better with them. One good debate with let's say James White is something I'll need to see.
There have been debates on many aspects of Christ's supposed deity and the trinity, including the "I AM."
Consider this: In Heaven, there is no time as we know it. Thus, every being in Heaven only ever IS and never WAS. That includes ALL of the angels. Thousands of members of the godhead?
Christ also said, if you've seen me, you've seen the father. Trinitarians use this a lot as "proof" Jesus is God, but all that verse says, if you believe it means IDENTITY, is that Jesus is *_the Father!!!_* Thus, the verse is NOT one of *_Identity,_* but one of *_Harmony!_*
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So in 10 verses later when the man born blind also says “egō eime” is he also claiming to be God and saying I Am or is he just saying “I am the man”? And why is it translated differently when he says it versus when Jesus says it? There are numerous other places where egō eime appears in the NT and it’s not translated as just I am.
@@wombatedge Well said.
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search Kingsom in Context. he does trinitarian debates
Who's denying the Son's Deity, His divinity? Only His SUPREMACY.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Which man ever came down from heaven and is able to lose nothing of all (men) which are given to Him and to raise all these at the last day?
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
If you are not able to understand this piece of scripture, it must be that it is a 'mistranslation' in your eyes.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
You really think that I would put my trust in the blood of a mere man for my salvation? Just a mere man is able to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Are you serious?
Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalms 16:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
I should put my confidence/trust in Jesus Christ, who is not more than a man according to you? Than God is a liar, because He clearly states not to put your trust in a man.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
If you are not able to understand this piece of scripture, it must be that it is a 'mistranslation' in your eyes.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Just this verse is enough to destroy all your videos, or is it a 'mistranslation' in your eyes?
Do you not think there are any mistranslations in the Bible? Even Trinitarian versions differ on how to render Phil. 2:5-6 and Isa. 9:6 and many other key passages. And Rev. 1:8 is referring to the Father, not to Jesus, he is explicitly called the Almighty, which is a term used of the Father.
There are certain Trinitarian verses which are not mistranslations such as John 20:28, most Trinitarian translations translate that correctly, "my Lord and my God"...now interpretation is a whole other issue. So, I am not just casting out any verse that doesn't fit my theology, but being realistic that certain verses are more difficult to translate than others, being a translator I encounter this all of the time. But to just close your eyes to any potential difficulties is dangerous. Many Trinitarian verses have either bad manuscript evidence (John 1:18; 1 John 5:7; 1 Tim. 3:16, etc.) or are Translated with a Trinitarian bias (because we all have bias, they are simply translating what they think it is saying), because the translators are Trinitarians (John 1:1; Phil. 2:5-6; 1 John 5:20; etc.).
And to your point "You really think that I would put my trust in the blood of a mere man for my salvation? Just a mere man is able to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Are you serious?" Yes, that is exactly what the scriptures call us to do. It is the fact that Jesus is actually human that makes him able to substitute in the place of humans. Hebrews 2:17 - "Therefore, he had to be like his brothers and sisters in every way... to make atonement for the sins of the people." (CSB) Are we "God-men"? Because it says he had to be made like us, but if he is a God-man, he is nothing like us.
@@biblicalunitarian You should know that a mere man is and was and shall never be able to live a PERFECT RIGHTEOUS LIFE.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Only God is perfect!
God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, the Son of God lived a perfect righteous life, and died for your and my sins, He shed His holy precious blood and was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
I recently shared my current learnings with a friend of mine who's a former Jehovah's Witness and former Catholic and current Methodist. If I'm phrasing things correctly a more biblically accurate view of the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is that there is one God, YHWH, and the Holy Spirit is just God's acting in the physical world, and Jesus / Yeshua was born of Joseph and Mary (not the Holy Spirit and Mary), and adopted as God's Son at his baptism, then died, was buried, resurrected, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. Is that accurate? He's saying that sounds a lot like the JWs.
There are a few things I personally would disagree with in that statement, but there are a lot of great things as well. I do believe Jesus was born of a Virgin (Holy Spirit and Mary), and I wouldn't say he was adopted as God's son at his baptism. And you say he is not seated at the right hand of the Father? There are many clear texts that say that he is (Heb. 1:13; Luke 22:69; Acts 2:34).
@@biblicalunitarian is seated, sorry, my autocorrect went funky
your videos are gold man, ik you’re getting a lot of pushback but your doing a great thing with these videos, keep going!
Thanks!
Thank you. This is something I'm having a real struggle with in that there are those who will flat out call it heresy to "deny the deity of Christ" and then call into question whether they are able to have fellowship with a "denier".
Think for a moment about trhe "heresy" thing. All protestants are heretics according to the church group who made the word, Jesus was a heretic against religious majority pharisees. Noah was a heretic among all the others, David was a heretic among King Sauls government. So I am happy to be called a heretic now.
Remember Jesus said pray for you enemies . Not to break bread with them . Are we as God ? Or filled with his holy spirit, or are we just his servant ? The only soul I'm responsible for is my own .
You should not listen to this youtube channel. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same. These people leaning on their own understanding.
The thing is both sides are wrong. God is Jesus and the Spirit and the Father, They are 3 and 1... The problem for trinitarians is they are wrong to limit God and try to place God in to a box. God is infinite, God can not be limited to 3. The truth is it is a non-topic and anyone fussing about this is a fool. Pay no mind and avoid these foolish youtube channels. It is empty deceit to take you captive. Your time is wasted with the people who work these topics.
Great so this guy figured out the danger of traditions of men, only to turn around and lean on his own understanding. No thanks.
"For us, there is one God, the Father" 1 Cor. 8:6, that is not leaning on my own understanding, but on Paul's understanding. The "Holy Spirit" is nowhere in the context of 1 Cor. 8:6, how could that be if he is defining a Trinitarian God?
@@biblicalunitarian Friend, you really don't understand the Bible, do you.
The Spirit came down and rested on Jesus. It remained on him. Don't you understand that? You are bringing up a passage about idols.. Yet you fail to grasp that the Spirit came down and dwelt in Jesus. He and the Holy Spirit became one and he and the Father are one.
That is how people get to "the trinity". It is when the Father, Son and Spirit all aligned. How can you be so blind.
So if Jesus is not God, why y there's only salvation in Jesus? Why you baptized in Jesus name? Why all knees will bow and worship Jesus? Why Jesus's name is about all names (including Yaweh)
Salvation is through Jesus because he became our eternal high priest. The duties of the high priest is to mediate between man and God.
@@jawnatutorowEonian High Priest. During the fifth eon, with the creation of the new heavens and earth, God the Father dwells on earth with its then current inhabitants. There will be no need then for a mediator. They will have direct access to their Father.
@@johnirish989 at least during the millennial reign Jesus will be our mediator to the Father.
1. Why in the bible the only prayer Jesus teaches is to pray to the father?
2. Why the only thing Jesus called God in the bible is the Father?
3. Why in the bible Satan challenged Jesus to be a disbeliever of God? so he challenged God to be a disbeliever of himself!!!!!
If Jesus is not God but only the Son of God, then is Jesus man or God? Is Jesus a demi god or an angel?
He is a man, just as the scriptures teach (1 Tim. 2:5; Acts 2:22), who was empowered by God.
@@biblicalunitarian Can we also be empowered by God and become like Jesus?
In our resurrected state, we will be like Jesus. The scriptures explicitly state this (Rom. 8:29; 1 John 3:2; 1 Cor. 15:49).
Me too man
John 1.... in the beginning, God made man and dwelt in us....
There was a man named John (Elijah, from the beginning) a witness to the light (from the beginning) Jesus is the light (logos of the father) to reconcile man back to how GOD made man, in the beginning.
Man is made in GOD'S image, from the beginning.
GOD has always been in man (omnipresent) man has risen above GOD (carnal mind) and fallen to his own understanding.... fallen sons/image of GOD.
The thing you have to ask yourselves is this: why did the Jews crucify Jesus? Who did Jesus claim to be (John 8:58)? If He did not claim to be God, the Jews would likely have left him alone. What was Jesus called when the angel told Mary she would conceive a son? The answer is found in Matt. 1:23. His name was to be called Emmanuel, which means "God with us". John 1 says that in the beginning, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was with God in the beginning. The Bible also says in Colossians 1:13-19 that by Jesus and through Jesus were all things made. In Genesis 1, the Bible says that God created the heavens and the earth. If what Paul writes in Colossians 1 is true, then that means that Jesus made everything we see, including us! Colossians 1:19 also says that it pleased the Father that the fullness of God dwelt in Jesus. Beloved, the entire new testament must be thrown out if you do not believe that Jesus is God as much as the Father and the Holy Spirit are God. Something else that you will discover upon careful study of the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit is that Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments and gave them to Moses! in John 14:21, Jesus says if you keep His commandments, you show that you love Him. Jesus also gives the Scribes and the Pharisees a clue about who He is in John 8:5-6 when they try to trap Jesus with the law He gave them by stooping down to write in the sand. The Scribes and the Pharisees ignored that clue because they were not able to see the truth. Jesus is the I AM of the Bible (John 8:58). The Scribes and the Pharisees knew immediately that Jesus had claimed to be God because in John 8:59, they immediately take up stones to cast at him for what they'd consider to be blasphemy.
The Jews gave the reason in John 19:7, and it wasn't because he claimed to be God - The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he must die, because he made himself the Son of God.”
@@biblicalunitarian Okay, so you're saying the Jews never accused Jesus of claiming to be God? How about John 10:33 where the Bible says this: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."? You know what Jesus said to make them want to stone Him? He said "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30). Philippians 2:6 explains that Jesus thought it no robbery to be equal with God. The New Testament proclaims the deity of Jesus so much so that you'd have to throw it all out if you denied it. Saying that being the Son of God somehow takes away the deity of Christ is preposterous when you know very well that Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father (John 14:9).
@@jamescrumbaker3169 Representing the Father, which is what John 14:9 teaches is much much different from claiming to be equal to the Father. A messenger is not equal to a king for whom he delivers a message, but he does represent the king. Jesus explicitly says that he is not equal to God, multiple times. Mark 10:18, "No one is good but God alone." John 14:29 "The Father is Greater than I," 1 Cor. 15:28 - "then the Son will subject himself to Him who put all things in subjection to him, so that God is all in all."
Also, being "One" with God does not make Jesus equal to God, because Jesus wants us to be one with Christ and God too (John 17:21).
@biblicalunitarian it's amazing how you can completely avoid what I said about the verse in Philippians and use verses like Mark 10:18 completely out of context to try and make an invalid point. Do you think Jesus deserves to be worshipped? Because you and I will fall at His feet one day and worship him whether we want to or not.
Philippians 2:6 does not say that Jesus is equal to God. "Thought it not robbery to be equal to God" is a bad translation. "Harpazo" (the Greek word) refers to an item or thing that can be taken or a prize to be won, it does not refer to an action "robbery." Most modern translations say something like: "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." This means that Jesus did NOT take equality with God, but humbled himself. That is the point of the passage.
Now, you did not respond to any of the verses I cited. Jesus could not be clearer in those verses that he is lesser than God.
Yes, I think Jesus deserves to be worshiped as the Messiah. One can rightly and faithfully "proskuneo" (worship) a King.
The Word was God, The Word became flesh therefore God became flesh. Isaiah 9:6 is clear. Jesus was crucified because he called himself God.
Read through Proverbs 8 then, and tell me who was with God at creation and God used for creation.
Also, is "a god" a legit translation?
And then, what does "word" mean prior to the Gospel of John in every book?
If you cannot answer these questions then you likely have only understood your views to create a second God to the Father.
The correct translation is that God was the word.
And even if you keep it, the word was God we would have a major problem :
1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God.
So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
@@DisprovingLiesThis is incorrect. The original manuscripts translate literally as “the Word was a god.” When it says “with God” it uses the definite article, hence we get capital G God. In contrast, when referring to “was a god” it lacks the definite article. I highly suggest reading a the transliteration of the original script to see this spelled out for you because the original wording is impossible to deny, leaving John 1:1 as yet another commonly mistranslated verse used to support the doctrine of the Trinity where the original wording actually fails to support such a conclusion.
Edit: I should add here that the original Coptic manuscripts came before the Greek and the Coptic has definite and indefinite articles where the Greek does not, so you can’t try and argue that it’s inconclusive either. It’s very clear and consistent with the rest of scripture.
@@chronic_daydreamerthat's a lie because even if you had the originals (which we don't) how would you determine they were infact correct? It's because we have thousands of manuscripts we can compare and contrast and know for 100 % we have the word of God preserved. God Said in psalms he would keep his word forever and we believe him. But I recall satan saying "yea hath God said..."
There's no definite article in John 1:1 so the best to translate the theos in John 1:1 is Divine
There's a rule in greek if the theos is no definite article that is divine, while if there's deinite article in theos (ho theos - with definite article) that is pertaining to the God of Jesus (John 20:17) not to Jesus.
I agree it's not in the Bible.
But the Bible is not in the Bible either.
The Church and it's tradition came before the Bible.
Jesus established the apostles and his church.
The Bible grew out of the church.
The word predates His body. The Church is the body of Christ. Before Abraham I am.
JESUS IS GOD
This video is miss leading
Yes He is! Jesus is God!!❤
@@paulcharters4935 Jesus is God's son.
Yes, and maybe the kingdom of God is within us too💙
The *_certainty_* of the Trinitarians and how it keeps them from discovering something closer to Truth *_REVEALS_* to us a deeper Truth which is also playing out in politics today. Children are being taught to hate America with such certainty, and to loath discussing this with others who disagree. *_EVIL Loves Darkness,_* and ONE form of *_Darkness_* is that created by CERTAINTY. And this fact reveals to us the VITAL IMPORTANCE of remaining *_Humble_* on every topic so that we do not become blinded by certainty. *_But won't uncertainty make life difficult?_* You bet it does! And we need to remain in fear of only ONE: God Almighty. Our humility to His will and confidence in His strength will guide us.
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Thank You
No Sir. The Word was with God and the Word was God.
No sir. The word was TOWARDS God and God was the word. It makes absolutely no sense to say X was with X.
@@johnirish989 It does if X is multi-personal yet the same being.
In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if you keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem :
1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God.
So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
ALL Asons Begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed are elohim (little e). Psalm 82:6.
born (begotten) again of the Fathers divine nature. One with him in spirit and deeds. All yltrue sons have dual natures until we crucify the old one and that takes work by the power of the spirit. Jesus wasnt perfect until the end after he finally crucified his WILL to do the Fathers will the same as we must do. Eventually we to will be glorified. The gospels are full of allegorical stories that were later literalized by the false church of Rome. Blind guides.
Many of the ‘allegorical’ gospel stories are speaking of the ‘two houses’ of ‘Israel’ that were split, with the ‘lost one’ returning through Christ. They can be seen in micro/macro lens, both manifest on earth(physical) as in ‘Heaven’(spiritual). Yah’s will.
@@FitTemple1 the word "christ" in Greek simply means "anointed". If you have been begotten of the Father then you too are his "christ" or his "anointed" chosen to save the lost sheep. It's not anyone name but a title for all firstborn sons of his spirit.
@@jdaze1 oh I see , ok let me clarify myself then Christ Jesus the Hamashiac … I was in the new age self realization beliefs for 11 years and delivered by Him.. Blessings of Grace and Truth 🙏🏼
@@jdaze1 Amen! Yes! We become Sons of God when we are reborn of spirit, instead of the flesh.
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@@FitTemple1You were delivered by the power of the Fathers Spirit. Not a man that lived 2k years ago. We all are given the same new name. Philippians 2:9-10, Revelation 3:12. That makes all his firstborn (firstfruits) his christ's. Or meshiachs. It's just a title. Meaning "Anointed saviors". Obadiah 1:21, James 5:20.
I used to be a Trinitarian.... but then I studied the Bible~
and now I'm three times the Trinitarian I ever was!
Poor thing
@@JKV84 as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. (2 Cor. 6:10 NKJ)
1 Corinthians 8:6 :"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
The bible is clear. We have one true God, the Father, nothing else!!
@@DisprovingLies And ONE Lord.
So the Father cannot be Lord by your own logic (let's see how "passionate" you get about your own logic).
@@Dizerner The term "Lord" can be applied to humans as well, but "God" can only be applied to God alone. God doesn't need to be "Lord" because God is more powerful!!
Some things we can all agree on are that: Jesus created all things - John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-17.
He is also the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end - Revelation 1:17; 22:13
Sadly, the church would rather listen to the church and its man-made doctrines rather than the teachings of Jesus. Believing that he has the truth will set you free. It is the teachings OF Jesus, NOT the teachings ABOUT him, that will set you free. It is the narrow path that leads to life. “Do not go along with the masses and doing evil.” Worshiping Jesus is idolatry, but following him is the way to salvation.
Did you know Yahweh isn’t God? That’s real nice to know when they say read your Bible
Good video appreciate when you post new content.
There is no way Jesus could be perfect and survive the human death experience (our sins imputed upon Him) unless He were God. The deity of Jesus does NOT require a Trinity, it only requires that He be God Himself robed in flesh (Col 2:7, John 14:7-9).
The whole point is that he didn't survive the human death experience, he died. And then he was resurrected by God (Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 10:39-40; 13:30; Rom. 8:11; 10:9; 1 Cor. 6:14; Gal. 1:1). If Jesus didn't die for our sins, our guilt remains.
"His own blood" is really not that bead an idea. Jesus is God's son and therefore God's blood.
My son is my blood.
Is there a directory to search for local Biblical Unitarian churches?
yes! Please check out the member map on this website - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/
Heretics arise!
This video is misleading. JESUS IS GOD
Are you denying he died on the cross then?
This guy is not a Christian
The arguments against "God was manifest in the flesh" are pathetic. A "he" being "manifest in the flesh" is not a mystery, let alone a great mystery. GOD being manifested in genuine human form _IS_ the great mystery.......which has been revealed to those who have received the biblical truth that the God who created them loves them enough to have laid down his own life for them.
God manifesting _himself_ as a Son to _himself_ and sacrificing _himself_ on the cross: LOVE.
"God" creating a personally distinct "son" and sacrificing that "son" on the cross: EVIL.
Free Will!!! Read John 3.13 very, very carefully. If these are part of Christ's words to Nicodemus, then he is telling us that before he was born as Jesus to Mary, he came down from Heaven, and before he was in Heaven, he was the first to go up to Heaven. He had the Free Will to choose to be a sacrifice so that he could take FULL responsibility for all the sins of the world. And that is the Truth which sets us free, just as a trauma victim can never be free of their suffering until they take 100% responsibility for what others did to them.
Christ told us that there is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends. And, indeed, he is our *_friend;_* NOT our God.
Christ is the Last Adam -- the Rebuilt Adam, with us -- the members of his church -- as the *_Body_* of this New Adam.
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_>>> "He had the Free Will to choose to be a sacrifice..."_
If the man Christ Jesus had the choice to *not* be a sacrifice, then that means he had the choice to sin against his Father. However, he did *not* have the choice to sin against his Father, because there was *no **_chance_* that the man Christ Jesus would ever sin.
*MATTHEW 1:21 (KJV)*
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for *he SHALL save his people from their sins.*
Here we have an *unconditional promise* from the LORD that JESUS would save his people from their sins. The chance of this *unconditional promise* being broken was exactly 0%. Because this *unconditional promise* required JESUS to be sinless, the chance of JESUS sinning was _necessarily_ 0%.
When the LORD makes a *promise,* _no one_ - not even the LORD JESUS himself - has the "choice" to break it.
_>>> "Christ told us that there is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends. And, indeed, he is our friend; NOT our God."_
If the "Christ" who is your friend is not your "God", then the "Christ" who is your friend is a _false_ Christ, and your "God" is a _false_ God.
My God is absolutely my friend, and HE "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could *lay down **_his own_** life* for us, raise _himself_ from the dead, and give eternal life to all who believe on _him._
And _his_ name, the name of my God _and_ my friend, who laid down _his own_ life for us, is "JESUS", the one _true_ God.
@@euston2216 Thank you for your opinions. I see the logic of them, but there is a superior logic to Truth which even I have not yet found, despite all the gifts God has given me.
God cannot die; Jesus died.
God is omniscient; Jesus isn't.
God is omnipotent; Jesus isn't.
Jesus was the Son OF God; not the God of God.
Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
God is the Head above Christ who is the head above his church (the Body of Christ) which is the head of man who is the head of the family including his wife and children. Christ is subordinate to God just as we are subordinate to him.
When we follow Christ, we become Sons of God, just like Christ.
The angels don't have free will; Christ does. But Christ put his obedience to his Father above his own needs, even in the garden before his arrest, praying to God (not himself) that this burden be removed from him. Yet, he accepted the inevitability of the burden.
There are countless viewpoints on scripture. ALL but one (or *_All with no exception)_* are wrong.
Getting closer to Truth should be our lifestyle; assuming that we have already arrived is not humble; and God loves our humility.
Will my views continue to change? I don't doubt that they will. But having left the Trinitarian world behind me in 1959, I suspect I won't be returning.
Good luck on your own journey. I pray that you find the humility to keep learning.
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No. The Father desired and took pleasure in His Son's crucifixion. Isaiah 53:10. The greatest evil for the greatest good.
@@RodMartinJrOnly God the Father has free will. Has a will that is uncaused and uninfluenced. He only is sovereign. It was not the Son's will to be crucified. Yet, not Mine but Thine will be done.
trinitarians follow Paul , not Jesus
Unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.
Paul wasn’t exactly a Trinitarian either.
Amen brother!
*12 reasons I believe Jesus is God:*
1. A mere creation cannot have eternally co-existed with God.
2. A mere creation cannot have co-created the world.
3. A mere creation cannot be enough to atone for an infinite crime against holiness.
4. A mere creation cannot contain the principle of life itself inside it.
5. A mere creation cannot destroy the power of death in itself.
6. A mere creation cannot receive praise and devotion from every created thing.
7. A mere creation cannot hold all authority in heaven and earth.
8. A mere creation would have admonitions not to idolize or worship it.
9. A mere creation cannot potentially directly live inside of all human beings.
10. A mere creation would not ever be directly associated with anything divine.
11. A mere creation cannot demand that nothing be loved more than it as it would be commanding idolatry.
12. A mere creation cannot call itself the only absolute way and truth.
At the point you are willing to accept all 12 things, it is virtually indistinguishable for me from God anyway, and Jesus is God to you whether you use the term "God" or not. The Father is just an order of rank above Jesus with the same attributes and this corresponds to Trinitarian theology.
I believe we can find ample Scriptural evidence to support the above 12 points in both Paul and the rest of Scripture. Also when certain verses began to make me feel unsure of this, I have prayed about this directly to God for many years and received personal confirmation that this is the truth.
So the question may well then be asked, "Why isn't it stated more clearly?" That's a good questions and I give a couple of reasons.
1. It is not a doctrine essential to salvation. It is very clear the 12 disciples during Christ's earthly minister did not at all fully realize who he was, and simply had a bare faith that he was a Savior, yet Jesus clearly says they were currently saved with their names written in heaven.
2. Doctrines are not required to be written out in the clearest way possible, but only to be written out in an essentially deducible way. We know the Bible condemns pedophilia without a verse that says "Thou shalt not molest children."
3. It is the "glory of kings to search out a matter" and all doctrine doesn't come by intellectually parsing the words of Scripture, but by direct revelation from God, as Jesus said "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you Peter."
In light of this, I invite anyone to continue on their journey with a sincere heart towards God and fervent prayer, and am confident that in the end, if we continue and do not quit with a true humble and teachable heart, the Spirit of God will always eventually get us to true beliefs.
Jesus was granted authority by God
@@Eric-iq1tg Authority he first gave up though, right. Trinity has hierarchy.
@@Dizerner no one really understands the trinity. Hierarchy is not what the trinity doctrine teaches, because the father son and Holy Ghost are equal.
Myself I do believe in a hierarchy and that their is one God and Jesus prayed to that God. Just like I pray to that God.
@@Eric-iq1tg No, hierarchy is a part of the Trinity. Think how husband and wife are equal in being yet husband is the head. Equal in being, but submitted in rank. It's not that confusing if you give it some thought. The Father has the primary rank, this is why we observe his focus in Scripture.
@@Dizerner The Bible isn’t egalitarian, although you might think so. What Christ Jesus taught wasn’t egalitarian. Sin never entered the world because of Adam and Eve it was just Adams fault. My wife isn’t equal too me. As a Christian I’m to love her as if she’s my own flesh, just like Yahweh loves us all equally.
God became flesh doesn’t need to be explicitly stated for it to be true. John makes that clear in saying that the Word is God. So if the Word is God, and the Word put on flesh, then obviously it’s God that did it. Where John is getting the Word being God is from the Old Testament where the word over and over speaks to the prophets and is said to be God, which is how we can know that Johns statement on the word is true because it was already shown and written
The "Word" is purpose or intent -- *_"Logos."_* From the Word we get Light and Darkness, Sea and Land, Sun Moon and Stars, Fish, Land Animals, Birds, and Man. All of these things are not suddenly God. But they are the manifestation of God's intent or purpose.
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In John 1:1, the correct translation is "God was the word". But even if we keep it "the word was God" we would have a major problem :
1. The Word WAS God : The past tense here indicates that the word WAS God, but not anymore. It was the Word of God that finally was projected in our world by the prophet Jesus, who is not God.
So actually it makes more sense to keep the meaning as it is without making asymptions, the word is the intellectual emanation of the Son from the Father, as noted in the footnote from the Douay-Rheims Translation edition of the Catholic Bible.
@@DisprovingLies It’s not implying the Word was God but not anymore, he’s indicating that the Word of God has always been God which is shown throughout scripture, like you can say God always was
@@marktravis5162 We can be fair and say the verse doesn't say "always" or "not anymore" so both of us we are adding to the scripture, but what we can do is to keep everything as it is. The correct translation also says, "God was the word," so it's more like the message was "God."
@@DisprovingLies God always was lol so in that sense It’s not adding to it and everything that’s written in the new covenant has to be pointed back to what’s written before it in scripture to validate whatever is being stated