Si Hard Function To Have
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This is a great illustration of feeling responsible for saviors
What's the frizzle, dizzle?
Love ya, man!
True, this makes me think about the Dunning Kruger effect . Which means we are confident in things we are not good at and at the same time not very confident in things we are good
P/s: I just use my Ni to connect these seemingly unrelated stuffs lol (I'm infj)
Great to see ya here too!!🌻🌻
@Minh Nguyen - I use my Fi to never feel satisfied. It's not always easy, but being unsatisfied is important
The thing that would make Si difficult is it's a function that works with patterns from past experience, it takes years to accumulate that experience, to have a reliable model of the world. You have years of using Si and failing at it because lack of experience has given you a false view of the world. The other functions are built upon successes, Si is built on failures.
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wow that's a really good way to put it
perfectly put
Ni is always built on a bunch of made up nonsensical theories.
my parents are esfjs (so they value Si greatly) and everytime I try something new for the first time, like cutting a vegetable for dinner, they'll tell me the right way to cut with the knife, and when I ask them why it has to be cut that way, she said "because I cut myself once." It took the Si user failing at things to see what works. Ne and Se function like a reward system: i try this new idea/ experience and it worked out great so I'll use it! whereas Si users have.. almost what seems like a punishment system for their mistakes that tells them what works and what doesn't
No, se with ne absent will do the same, and there is te and fi 1st or last users too, likes trube value, so some IP and EJ always be in the judging side
I've noticed Si people get stuck on things more. They can seemingly never let anything go, and keep bringing something to an experience which makes it bad for them when they don't need to. I think that's the main thing they suffer from, more so than 'never feeling like they've go enough data'.
That's so true. As an Si dom I can honestly say that I am the slowest to noticing the slight changes in the universe unless I have had prior experience to the situation presented. It makes me appear too grounded to the point of deeming others who came with an approach that is so out of the box to mine as 'careless' or 'hazardous.'
It has made me realize that just because I do things a certain way, it doesn't deem it as the 'best' approach. And with society occupying a majority of SJ's I can see that we make dumb decisions out of fear from our past.
@@shanpurble ISTJ here. I relate to that last sentence way too much.
Yeah my ISTJ and ISFJ parents sounded really surprised when I explained why Americans are economically struggling. I thought they have the news on 24/7, were they just not listening?
I just thought I had an anxiety disorder or PTSD, lol. I bring my entire childhood to my adult relationships, it's fun. I expect everyone to treat me like they always have, and thus I have to keep them at a distance and withhold parts of myself. I've always thought I was INFP, perhaps that's only who I am on the inside because I'm shit at being myself. The one I can't show because I feel like I must do my best impression of the ISTJ stereotype to be a worthwhile human being and yet I fail miserably at that too.
Lala 😂😭🙏🏻
So this is why people type themselves upside down. Because we set higher standards for our saviours. Because sometimes we can't meet those standards, we don't think they're saviours?
I think so!
That's deep
That is such a brilliant thought! This makes me think of the Dunning-Kruger effect
ESFJs please read this!
I'm an INTP.
I am honestly here only to learn about Si as it relates to ESFJs. I see how the internet treats you, it's awful. I recognize how valuable you are and I appreciate you. I love you ESFJs, I really do. There isn't much about MBTI that really gets me going any more but you ESFJ, you do.
Si is such a misunderstood function. People think it's all about being literal, duties, working, routines, facts etc. And sometimes it is... But don't forget it's an introverted/subjective perceiving function. That's my melancholic world of dreams and pararel worlds. Si is actually pretty similar to Ni, it's just Si is more concerned with the real world - my inner world of imagination is connected to the repeated events happening in real world (that's why we love Christmas so much), when Ni is more abstract. Just as I said... People don't understand Si because they don't read Jung's descriptions at all.
@@oskarm646 Agreed. I'm married to an ESFJ so I am not entirely objective. Once I learned what was happening...." inner world of imagination is connected to the repeated events happening in real world" I was less annoyed with the particulars and more fascinated how the particulars expressed her world. ESFJs are absolutely fascinating. I would be annoyed with her pressing ritual and habit until I understood she was "managing" not dictating. Getting back to Christmas. I (INTP) am trying recreate a historic scene of the Nativity whereas she is happily placing a decoration because it personalizes continuity. Am I hitting this for you?
@@finnkuudere3516 it is hitting to me! Believe me, every Christmas evening the guests are gone, I lock myself in my room, and I watch Christmasy special episodes of the cartoons I used to watch when I was a child. I close my eyes, and I feel like I moved back in time. And... I'm only 19 LOL. What makes ESFJs so interesting is also, our Si is connected to Ne, so our melancholic and nostalgic feeling can pretty easily create new forms of art etc. Just look at the lyrics written by Taylor Swift, such as "All too well" you can literally visualise the situation and "feel it" just from listening to it
🥺thank you
@@floricane You're welcome. You are very valuable. Understand, while I cannot possibly know of you I still reach out because that is how much I value ESFJs. I'm INTP and reaching out is not what I do but my understanding of ESFjs motivates me.
INFP, Si failure hurts me more than any other. Si is big for personal shame and shaming others
ISFJs and ISTJs need to realize that life isn’t only about survival, and that it’s also about living in the moment. They live in fear more than any other type, at some point they just need to break out of your routine and try something new.
ow. that's too accurate. but thanks for that.
-isfj
Inferior Ne go brrrrrr
Thanks for the reminder😅
Saviour Si users can't do it all, but they're better at it than anyone else.
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I have Fi as my first fuction and Si as the third
Oof
Switch that for me, kill me lol
What's your type?
I'm an ISTJ, which is yours may I ask?
@@user-rv1co2gd2p According to cognitive functions, INFP.
Yep I'm an INFP-T
All introverted functions are hard because of introversion. Having said that, having tertiary Si and inferior Fe is hell.
So your an intp?
@@Alice-si8uz that's what he's trying to tell us
Hey, that makes sense!!
Alice 5 Yes.
I'm tertiary Si and inferior Te.
This is why people with 1st or 2nd slot Si are so damn conscientious and dutiful IMO. My ISTJ dad would just work like hell on something until it was finished. Nothing could be left half done.
Demon Se is a pretty hard function to have for me. It feels like random sensory bullshit is waiting to destroy everything dear to me around every corner, and its the primary reason I have an anxiety disorder. Se can: Destroy all your hopes and dreams behind your back while you aren't looking, Ruin any plan or path you're on no matter how solid, Disprove your favorite topic of intrigue, & Completely destroy your worldview in less than a second. Scary function
Very true
Could you make a "easy hard functions graph" with all the functions? That would be very interesting.
As an ISFJ I think I’m very good at Si, I see it, other ppl were telling me too. I remember details. I often use Si -Ti to remember things, organize them logically and state the facts. I just love doing that and see faces of people when I tell them the facts lol The facts that I have just because I remember what was said or done by that person before and connect them to what’s happening or being said now. Solving mysteries is totally my thing.
The cons is that I also remember negative things. Things that I want to forget. This is when I just hate my Si and I wish I didn’t have it
How do you know you use Si-Ti and not Ti-Si ?
@@ismahenelarbi7386 because Si is my dominant function. SiFe functions as one, which means I remember things mostly related to people and their actions. Ti serves SiFe and analyzes what I saw. I use Ti after I saw something and now want to analyze it. I am able to turn it on and turn it off, whereas SiFe is always there - I can never turn it off.
@@elnara1 interesting, but I suppose you're not constantly reminiscing, so you can turn it off at some point? would you say you can be aloof, scatter brained?
@@ismahenelarbi7386 My memory is always in the background. It's like a giant web that connects past events with current events. No matter what I do: read, watch a movie, play a video game, or talk to a friend... my memory always wander, searching for a missing piece of a puzzle that I hold in my head. I can go around my business and unintentionally spot a missing piece of a puzzle, and then another one... and so on. it's hard to explain.
It's not like I reminiscence. Imagine you are looking for a book in the library or searching for something online - this is how it works. Everything is connected to something I once experienced (or observed), and if it's something new - I see if I can add it up to what I already know - now I have an aisle related to one specific topic.
I can definitely be scattered and aloof when I'm not busy doing something like working. But even when I'm busy Si is always in the background, it's just there no matter what I do.
However, everything has its pros and cons. I can stagnate using Si function as the one and only source of knowledge. I can get stuck to my experiences and conclusions and have a hard time accepting new ideas... unless you provide a rationale. This is why I need more Te users in my life. I tend to grow and learn faster when being around Te doms.
@@elnara1 when solving a problem at work, do you try to do it on your own or do you look up ways it has been done before?
I think the functions that are more difficult to have as savior are the ones that are actively trying to reconcile your inner drive with external world, so I would guess that they are usually the judging/introverted functions. Because you can't really control the external world, so your function can't win.
Yeah good point!
Honestly as an Si Dom I feel like I’m
Not the most exciting personality type. It’s hard cuz there are so many facts and you can’t organize them all that’s why it’s important to use Ne a bit to just gather some concepts or patterns
Omg Si savior is hard. I overprocess everything and my mind is a running list of things I need to do/learn /optimize. It’s draining.... really need to meditate to stay in the moment
Same
At least you don't feel lost in life (like my INFP ass).
Yes! Currently reading through many of these comments just to make sure I can at least learn something new about myself through someone else. Being an ISFJ at times is defeating. But you're not alone 🥲💗
@@someonesomewhere6123 I think anyone can feel lost. I feel lost atm in my life because there's so much I am, and so much I'm not yet that I can't even decide where to go in my future. So many things I choose or don't choose feels wrong. Which is why I'm in therapy, I told my therapist.. if I chose not to come to therapy I would probably die from the weight of everything. And I don't want that for myself. So I understand it's hard INFP I don't know your life but try to be gentle with yourself. Maybe look into therapy or some other kind of sharing activity. Helps release the pressure.
And once again, half of the viewers seem to miss the point of this video. As an ISTJ, HELL YEAH do I feel this! I was mistyped as an INTJ for years, and it was one of the worst things for me to realise that it was goddamn obvious that I wasn't one. It's painful to me when I miss things where the evidence is right there for all to see. Just like the N's are going "How did I miss this pattern?", I'm going "How did I miss that fact?". Especially when I'm seeing it with my own two eyes. Understanding that my own experience is subjective is a difficult thing to go through, because I'm fallible like everyone else, and if sensory data is my saviour, hell yeah it's gonna sting when I can't see them. I can forget a lunch date or screw up at work or leave my phone on the bus and get over it, but what if I miss something that really matters- a friend's quiet cry for help, an oncoming vehicle, an opportunity that I shouldn't pass up because I wasn't paying attention? It sucks for everyone, but for me it's a deeply faulted failure. I suck at my first function because I am a human being who will inevitably get distracted, and there's nothing in the world that's going to change that. I have no choice but to learn my lessons and try to grow- especially in my demon Ne.
Kelsey Stanbrook - I’m there with you on both accounts. A LOT of people get an ego from MBTI because it can give a narrative to traits they value about themselves. When a video like this comes out that forces a paradigm shift, the result is never pretty.
I’m an INFJ and when something happens that I should’ve seen coming I want to bang my head against the wall. “Why didn’t I pay attention to the patterns?” I’ll ask myself. I’ll do a little reading and jump to conclusions about something, sometimes bending over backwards to make the evidence fit the message. It’s hard to catch yourself with your pants down, but to become a better person requires you to face your worst self daily.
thank you for writing this, i was typed INTJ and i relate a lot to this. big thanks 🙏
for ISTJ Ne not their demon but something can be use to compensate their lack knowledge. My dad is an ISTJ 5w6 and mistype him as intj because he has well develop inferior ne. I am intp by the way. si dom are more intuitive of sensor dominates. The inferior function is last function you can use effectively. when develop the inferior it weakens the dominate.
@@spark300c ISTJ use the same fonctions as INFP but in a different order and i have been in a science highschool with ISTJ friends and i tought i was like them but less smart so i pushed hard on my aux and inferior fonction to develop them and now i'm a weird INFP with numbed Fi, i'm bossing the students in my little art school because they have aux or inferior thinking, they lack of efficiency but at the same time i have a strong sense of what is or could be wrong or right in an artwork
People, just don't stress too much on putting yourself in a box. The system isn't perfect so it's ok.
Si IS hard, it some ways it is a bit like Ni, except Ni is future based, Si is based in the past. When I'm in savior mode (Si) it takes me so long to process because I HAVE to compare it to the past and remember thoughts and emotions associated with it and it's like putting together a puzzle. Like Sherlock Holmes!! One of my favorite things to do when I was a kid what putting together puzzles and I still love it!! Creating timelines also...I can, so vividly hear a song or see a movie or show, or memorabilia and remember what I was doing and what part of my life I was in. I can go right back to those moments and remember exactly the feelings I had associated with it. Therefore, it's so easy to get stuck there and not act on the current sensory data of my current reality, so I can lose track of time easily when I go there. It's like a magical world of my past experiences. Someone can mention a topic of discussion, and automatically it will remind me of something from my past, and I can recall it in vivid detail like a story from a storybook, complete with mental pictures and feelings. My Ne shows up in novelty ideas, I love doing something for the first time and committing it to memory. Every single detail I take in and put in my mental file cabinet where I can retrieve it and relive it at any time. When I get super stressed out I do tend to jump into my Ne demon and start thinking about all of the possibilities, new ways to do things that might be more efficient, and it's easy to get lost down that rabbit hole in the abstract world where I try to find spiritual meaning, yes... into the hippie mentality and the realm of fantasy.
"You goddamn hippie" cracked me up
"Ehhh… I suck at Si, what's new, it's just the worst function ever"
So true 😂😂😂👍
Dave says that because this is his demon, so...
He has demon Se actually
@@alimollla7278 Si is literally his 8th function
Being ISFJ is suffering, and the bad thing is that sometimes is just for no real reasno at all. Some types might over it and say, Well at least I tried. But having Si Hero is telling me "no, you have to do it the Best, not better", and of course reality hits hard and then I get depressed and I feel worthless , etc. One way to deal with this , although very hard is to have understanding that it's ok to fail, it's ok to not to do the right thing from the begining, but that's hard work and it's sometimes exhausting.
I guess we all suffer in different ways.
Yes! I am going through this life lesson at the moment letting go of perfection so the things I really want to create or do can actualize in my reality! The mental struggle!!
People who have Si function can't enjoy life, are boring, is afraid of adventure, lives in the past, sucks at sports, and don't take risks.
They are your average Joe. They need to learn the art of living. True freedom comes from exploring life's opportunities and taking risks.
is this why ISTJs seem to be so hard on themselves in general?
YES
My ISTJ father is suck a perfectionist, I don't think he can fulfill his own high standards, much less am I able to as an ENFP.
Yes. The ISTJ is like a dream beyond reach.
@masakasama sounds like she's a te - fi user
@@caramelunicorn8023 same man. Me and sibling grew up with the notion that whatever you do you do it right in the first sitting and if you cant then we are useless and there is something wrong with us 😐 it took me a long time to figure out that I'm not useless for not being able to do some things right the first time around. I Still ended up being a perfectionist though 😌
I totally suck at cleaning or liking to clean. Hate it. Not sure what that means but I sure admire people that do it and don't just feel responsible for it but actually like it. Very cool!
I feel so sorry for ISTJ that suffers for PTSD, is like they never will recover.
How do people function with Si-Ti loops and have feeling functions near the bottom?
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They don't
If you have Si-Ti loops, you're a ISFJ, meaning Fe, an emotional function is higher up than any thinking functions.
I relate to this so much! I am "bad at Si" yet hold it so personally. I think part me thinks I could Si my way into making Te things work easier...
-INFP
Lmao love the ENFP caricature.
I have an enfp friend who looks identical to that :D
Wow! I have a cousin, maybe my favorite person, who always feels inadequate. I think she is an ISFJ. As an INFP, I don't know how to help her. I don't really understand her, but she is the consummate mother. A whole set of extended family depend on her. Yet, she never feels like she excels at anything. She never feels like she's enough. Those feelings haunt her despite her habit of putting them aside to achieve amazing things. Your video helps me to understand a little better. It also helps me deal with my own Si, which sucks.
i literally laughed when you said the thing about ENFP and their Si lol because it's kind of true. but people don't realise how ENFPs actually appreciates people with high Si. Most ENFPs tent to aspire to have higher commende on their Si because they are aware of how it can be beneficial in life in general. This is especially true as they grow older. Si may be their enemy, ENFPs will try to befriend it eventually as they mature. Even if it never gets easy.
i’ve had myself typed as an ENFP for a long time but i relate to this. the thing is that i’m rarely focused on Si, but when i think about the sensory details im not like “o yeah i suck at that what’s new” im like “okay i really need to get my shit together” how do you tell the difference between savior focus on Si and demon fascination with Si? i want to be good at it but it’s almost like an afterthought. it’s not the first thing i think about when i wake up in the morning
I think, in addition, Si is a very scrutinising, more so self scrutinising function. Si and Ti together means the person is almost never gonna be happy. Fi (I'm an INFP) would probably be like, oh I understand that everyone goes through this at some point of time, while Ti would kill themselves looking for the reason.
Hey Rohan! I'm INFP too, but with Si saviour. I understand intellectually that other people go through the self-scrutinising stuff (and it's normally people's response when I try to share it with them), but I'm terrible at it. Blasting with 3rd and 4th function Si & Te with Si as a saviour feels like living in a Saw film, but part of you always seems to enjoy pulling yourself back into it for a sequel.
the thing about ti is unlike fi who seems to worry about everything for long periods of time us ti users(IM an INTP) will often find a reasonable explanation for our failures even if that reason is just I suck at this. its enough for our ti to be satisfied and for us to stop being mad the actual problem is fe because fe inferior makes you feel like you go around murdering everyone's family infrount of them by accident everytime you open your mouth or exist in the same area as someone else for more than 5 secounds.
@@creeperkingdom3190 You guys are not half bad. Speaking as INFJ. We get it, Fe sucks.
Si-doms god bless, the reason they feel they suck at their Si (when objectively speaking they’re probably better than most of us) is that even if their hero isn’t De, they still want to be useful to the tribe(usually moreso in the traditional sense than inxj’s; which I’ve seen both flip the bird to the tribe) and that can lead to them biting off more than they can chew(doing all the chores, doing all the party planning, staying late at work to help backlogged work, etc). And underneath all of the chaos they created by not having realistic expectations of what human is capable of doing they feel that they’re failing at life, which again nobody can see their hero causing their life problems and we need an outside perspective who can probably see it right away.
Even inferior Si though, I know an ENTP x INTJ couple and he (ENTP) becomes stressed with small things that she did 2 years ago thinking she'll do them again or that specific actions will lead to what happened in Baltimore (example), while she is rarely stressed about things he did in the past because she forgot about the things he did but he can't let go even if he wishes he could.
Si isn't hard it's just boring in the sexiest way
The Primal Fuckhead I thought I was the only one who thinks that Si is sexy
this has to be the best interpretation i came upon so far 😂
What do you mean by sexy here??
belal noor it's complicated but... To me a strong sense of duty and discipline is sexy. And there's also some repressed Ne which might come out and show their kinky side. Sort of, their secret fear and desire is being experimental.
Se = Sexy
Si = Super Boring Turn Off
I hate so much being an ISFJ someone please fucking save me
As an ESFJ, having Si is great as my parent/aux function to complement my Fe. I gather data of social skills and social trends and know how to react and act around people of all kinds of personality. I call it my social chameleon powers. From experience and memory collected, I can adapt to several social situations on the fly or under pressure. I honestly love my Si!
My ISFJ Mom on the other hand...
I think i was an pseudo esfj in my childhood...i will be saying that some esfj getting hurt a lott, and they cant argue with it with their ti inferior, they are giving people enjoyment with their third ne, and always do this si work in the fear of fe 1st people, and ni absent will be giving them more future fear in every day in life,
Demon te (logic) people will be laughing at you more
Meanwhile envy of your popularity but not seeing the hardwork
People almost killing my pseudo esfj personality until i was shifting traumatic esfj...to entp(esfj) type
Dear esfj careful about peoples manipulations, even entp me cant handle this now, (cz even i have si stability 70% unlike other entp so ignoring my ti identity until 2 years from now)
Esfjs are achievers if they dont catch up with emition
Entps are achievers if they are less caring with peoples decision
In any situation entp should never neglected their ti accuracy decision (if that entp is good m... People will be realizing that later even its against the tribe...cz entp can literally making an new tribe)
Having good si /ni your identity ti will be getting hurt,(isfj, infj, enfj, esfj)-- 70% chance of being best but getting hurt for sure
Having good ti, somehow you will be struggling with your ni or si or fe in real life
(Entp istp intp estp) 50/50
For Tjs -- highly achievers but identity Crisis
80/20
INFP here -
Facts
- Doing Si later in my 20's... (Also, with recently diagnosis of ADHD) makes sense.
Peace and love x
I'm jumping between FI- Si and when I get frustrated I'm all in NE-Te.
As an INTP I have Si child. All its good for is winning Trivia Pursuit and knowing the name, artist and album of any 80's song 2 notes after it comes on the radio.
I'm an ENFP (I guess at least) and the funny thing is, I really really worry about my Si. I think this is because I grew up in a family full of isfj, especially with my over organised mother. I never achieved to be good at it, but I'd always say "I need to get better at this" because I learned that I'm driving people nuts otherwise
ENFP here. I worry abt it because I am a bit fearful that I won't get to see things through and thus gain a sense of fulfilment from completing a project or starting up and running a business or publishing that book. I'm scared that the great ideas I'm more serious about will just flop because I can't administrate well/consistently.
thats why i feel shitty about my room not being clean, and not living to the standard
Having Si as one of my cognitive functions sucks. I'm trying to work my Si since I'm in a more structured situation and I have a law subject which is not my forte and I easily get overwhelmed when I find so many details and facts and when our professor assigned me to elaborate a statement on our law subject, I find it difficult to elaborate the details that I gathered for that topic and I can't help myself for not being overwhelmed and stuttering when I discuss the topic that was assigned to me. 😩
I don't find Si to be hard. First, organize your facts, then if any are missing substitute iNtuition (usually Ne). Use your favorite decider (Feels right/wrong or Thinks it's gonna work/not) to make the call and you're done.
my mom is ISTJ M: Si she is always stressed and it's depressing
Im pretty sure Im Ni but the thing I hated most when I unfortunately got myself in MBTI, is that everyone was abstract. I had no problem understanding, but God I can't make patterns without ANY sensory info at all! At least give me two or three fricking examples. Then I realized MBTI is pseudoscience so... Never mind now.
00:53 ISTJ are screwed, Si savior Fi tertiary, the most difficult functions on superior position.
So if I’m an INFP and really relate to this, does that means Si might be a savior for me?
You think that's bad?
INTJ here. dealing w/ midlife crisis... and Si demon roaring that, by observation *NONE* of my long-term goals will work, that *NONE* of my friends will stick around, that *NONE* of my romantic endeavors will yield fruit, that *NONE* of my employers will value me for anything other than what they can wring out of me before discarding me; essentially the demon is saying that effort/loyalty will never pay off... and there's no counter-example from life to refute him with.
Mistakes are everywhere if you look close enough. You just need 7 seconds and you'll forget about them.
"But is this real, you god damn hippies?" Hahaha this is so me. (ENTP) because I love to talk about the abstract but then the people who also love that tend to just lose sight of reality and the people who care about SI usually don't even want to have those kinds of conversations to begin with....
So I always end up being the "realist" in the conversation, which is ridiculous
Nope, entp actually talking like ne fe(according to his ti) first(means they will be funny with they tribe and also making new tribe with his logical emotional value) also knowing that i have to good with si
Isfjs actually talking like siti(according to his past fe value)
And ignoring total new ness (Ne)which is happening every day
So, yes less newness adaptive isfj can be bullied by society
And less adaptive si entp can be hippie lol
Love that disclaimer
Saw that video 4 months ago and thought I understood what you said. After realizing I have savior Si a couple of days ago, I get it now. It's frustrating.
this is also true for me that I'm a ENTP cs/b(p), because I use Si in my sleep, but I know I'm lacking on it, and I feel bad because of it.
Seems like in general all introverted functions would be harder than extroverted, but I agree Si is one of the worst and most hated.
Maybe Si itself isn't very popular in many cultures of the world.
My grandma had to be ISFJ. She was a nurturing perfectionists from sun up to sun on task and had no respect for us intuitive types. How does intuition get things done that obviously need to be done.
Late to the game but yep, I have it & hate it. I am repeatedly attempting to organize things in my life and quite often I don't think I do a good enough job of it. It gets especially screwy in my case as it seems to be a Feminine variety of Si, so I'm also losing out on the awesome memory which other ISTJs may have.
On the flip side, the Te is fun, especially when I get on a roll with it.
Si is not a hard function if you an Si savior because its like your habit. You don't know anything to do if not organizing things.
Inferior Si is a major struggle! Lemme tell ya
This is how I feel about Ni. I’m told I have masculine Ni as a savior but I think I suck at it. I see others use Ni better than I... more fluidly.
Wait, if Si is about having your own sense of order and placing high value on it, when why Se isn't about high sense of collective order? Instead, Se is described as this weird "I enjoy experiencing the things around me" thing. Or does Se also have a collective side for how things should be ordered?
Si is classified as "an observer" along with Ni. Se is classified as "a decider" along with Fi and Te. Observers organize information. Deciders make decisions. So Se is going to be easier.
I think this is me. I'm so frustrated about my inability to organise my life. I've always been ok in systems, work, college, where they organise me.
"They organize me"
Not me, an enfp, coming here because I'm not good at my si and I've been complaining about it *looks away*
Ie, MBTI is about preferences of functions, not competence. (even if they are somewhat correlated. Training is a thing)
Short version: posts an anecdote in agreement to this video
My Typing session result 8 mo ago: ISFJ
SiFeTiNe
Me: I am what?? SiDom?? But if I were a sensing type, I would feel more comfy in the outside world, I just want things to be well. I have been told I live in my inner world. I am good at zoning out and people want to bring me back to the present. I suck at Si!
This video: Exists
2:10
Me *an enfp* watching that:
Now that is what i needed to hear!! 😭😂
"You goddamn hippies." 😂😂😂
Socionics information metabolism proves what mbti calls an ISFJ leads with FiSe. ISFP leads with SiFe. ISTP leads with SiTe. ISTJ leads with TiSe.
Hard to have and hard to be around
I have a toxic SI-Ti loop. My negative painful experiences inform my logical decisions. But I end up not being able to take risks.
totally! respecting the functions!
Hilarious, especially the ENFP piece because it's true
I have Si and i love It.....
At work we have to do our own central filing. What agony and I am not Si dom or Si aux. Maybe Si tertiary or 7th. Either way, it is agony to organize external environments.
Ti-Dominant, Si as third.
Yeah kinda appeals for me. It's frustrating for me to do anything that other people easily do, i sometimes overcleaning room or kitchenwares. Which makes me lazy to do it in future. huh.
Exactly my fellow intp
Legendary content.!!
Imo, Si people mistyping themselves probably has a lot to do with (imo) the descriptions of their type not feeling accurate. At least for me that's absolutely the case. But none of the descriptions I read really matched for me. I had to do some puzzling and searching through my history of times that I came to an impasse and chose either x-function or y-function based on my natural instincts and beliefs -- and for that matter, the distinction between Judging and Perceiving had never seemed remotely easy to choose or natural to me. I struggled with J vs P still even after more or less deciding between the others but much less after I looked at the actual functions (Si vs Se, etc.). I think we like the details also.
I'm basically just speaking for my own struggle to type myself, though.
Fi Si saviours here. Life is pain.
Total dog with a bone.
Si does not equal memory.
Si = memory of sensation.
Ni= memory of patterns
Fi = memory of emotions
Ti = Logic memory.
Which is why an average:
INTP has better memory of what 12 × 22 is than an ISFJ.
INFP has better memory of someone's character traits than an ISTJ.
INFJ can better remember psychological patterns within people than an ISFJ.
INTJ can better remember external sensory patterns than an ISTJ.
or
INFP, ISTJ, ISFJ, ESFJ, INTP, ESTJ can all remember sensation easier
ISFP, ISTP, INTJ, INFJ, ENFJ, ENTJ can all remember patterns easier
ISFP, INFP, ESFP, ENFP, ISTJ, INTJ, can all remember feelings easier
ISTP, ESTP, ENTP, INTP, ISFJ, INFJ can all remember logic easier
The ENFP caricature looks like a picture of my ENFP friend. That's so funny haha
My life is a mess even though I'm Fi-Si.
I wonder if Dave is really an INTJ? True, I don't really understand the full spectrum of their Objective Typing system but to me he seems more like an ENTP. Any comments?
Edit: I understand this is an old video and probably no one is going to read or comment on this. So I am just copy pasting this comment on several videos in this channel.
Im an NI and when i talk about the concept of relationship with my wife a dominant SI.. she kind of brushes it off and says shes more concerned with doing some “thing that needs to get done in the real world”. How can i be her husband and not see me as the tribal elder? Lol wtf did i do wrong
This might explain why I feel like I have intuitive demons/inferiors
Where are the thinking functions in that scale?
Ti is probably one of the "harder" functions. As in what are the reasons you do something? Can be hard on people who have Ti last.
not hard, per se. confusing, i would say so since Ti and Fi ask the same question but it's the motive that sets the difference between the 2 as one tries to check on the "truths" while the other checks out if s/he feels good about it.
as a Ti guy, i tend to base my decision on what i have learned to be true. i am saying "what i learned to be true" because Ti can be quite subjective and relies heavily on the data gathered. If I were an Fi user, it's as simple as i might do something because this is how i believe what is good... which may not necessarily be true.
Still, they should not have been left out.
Considering only 1 of the 2 Ti-dom types were ever mentioned in his vids like ever, imma say he's not a fan of Ti-doms. luckily, i happen to be that Ti-dom that will never be getting that recognition. haha
@@PunkFiddler I think Davi's an Ti-Dom himself not sure though. I think it was either INTJ or INFJ but I'm pretty sure it was INTJ.
I can’t determine whether I have Si or Ni. Any tips?
I'm confused... you said Si would be a super hard function to have last, but your ENFP example indicated they didnt seem bothered by it...
Yeah. I avoided my Inferior Si this whole day. My sister got engaged today. I avoided every task and everyone after noon.
Its so common though, so at least there's others who can relate to those problems. Also they've got Te/Fe second, which is pretty useful. INFP's surely have it the worst..
Uh oh... Am I savior Si when I've thought I was demon Si for literally 8+ years? I thought because I suck at Si that I can't possibly be Si. Well, maybe MBTI helped with that since I when I think Si, I still unconsciously think of the stereotypical ISTJ or ISFJ and think that can't be me, they'd take one look at my life and laugh at me for the chaotic NFP I really am. But you say tertiary Si can be like this too? How do you know if it's a savior or demon, as I thought because I disrespect Si that it was a demon, yet I constantly hold myself to Si expectations no matter how many times I fall flat of them? Often intentionally.
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side because as an fi dominant I am convinced that having fi as the dominant function is the hardest.
Imo, Ti is harder to have than Si. Since Ti doms want to understand everything, but knowledge is infinite
Exactly
Imagine having both Ti and Si😄
1:25 helped solidify why I don't get along with ISFJs for very long periods of time. I'm one of those "hippies" who lose them when I Ne a lot. ESFJs can roll with me a little longer with that Ne moved up just one slot though. -INFP
Yes I am having trouble fulfilling my responsibilities toward my FI, so I jump to my TE, but that doesnt work well bc Im bad at TE.
This video was very helpful
Si as demon for me it is hard for me because I need for work. As my demands it. So I know I struggle with it. I besides that I don’t care for it.
Is it me or there is this pattern of our Dad is likely to be more ISTJ?, I wonder if it's like meta of past generation.
Yeah I would just like to take a moment to say fuck the Fi Si loop :’)
SJs have it difficult tbh