Where are the Pi 5's? I asked Eben Upton at CES 2024
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- I asked Raspberry Pi CEO Eben Upton about Pi 5 shortages, AI on the Pi, and what's next for CM5 and RP2040 at CES 2024.
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Contents:
00:00 - AI on Raspberry Pi, RP2040's future
03:00 - CM5 when?
03:58 - Pi 5 shortages and production rates
06:27 - HAT+ and M.2 NVMe HAT
07:34 - Pi at CES
08:31 - Leeds pop-up forever? - Наука та технологія
Bro i almost thought he was jason statham 😂
He Transports raspberry pi's to customers in style.
I mean Jason is an actor... who's to say it's actually Eben I spoke with?
I was thinking the same!!
🤣I was just ready to type "Does he Jason Statham much?" then read this. I'm dead now. Freaking dead 😂
Dude this is Jason Statham, if you watch the whole video you'll see him doing car stunts and driving fast
it's cool to see a ceo so involved in his product that he's on the factory floor checking stuff
Eben and other engineers at RPi seem to have a very good relationship with the Sony factory employees. When I was there, it was obvious those involved in the Pi production lines were quite familiar with Gordon H and other Pi employees. They work together on test fixtures, line improvements, etc.
He is also extremely knowledgeable and knows exactly what hes talking about on a technical level
This was GOLD. Thank you, Jeff. Brings much-needed clarity to my team's project.
Excellent answer on the AI thing, keep it server base and leave it out of cheap boards. Faster networking or external connectivity would be a better push! This is the video update I wanted to see, so glad you got to do this interview. This might be my favorite CES related video I've seen yet.
Ha! Thanks! Initially I didn't know if Eben would even be there-this was all put together just a day or so before I left :D
I'm glad I got to say hello, I know Eben was still fighting off jet lag that morning-and was probably headed out just a few hours later (maybe the next morning, not sure!).
I disagree 100%, I think the ONLY real use-case for the Pi 5 will be AI experimentation and implementation. I have no interest in a miniature, underpowered desktop computer. Being able to build and run your own AI models will be the "next thing", the way IoT was big over the last ten years.
@@joeblow229 If you have no interest why are you following raspberry pi content up to this date? The Pi 5 has no AI and if it ever came it wouldn't be a Pi 5 so what are you even talking about the Pi 5 being the "only use-case" is for AI experimentation. Read what you are writing and think to yourself if it even makes sense. Having a fast inexpensive entry level solution with PCI or faster connectivity built onboard in a fashion hats or small cables could allow you to connect and add on is the best solution for all of us. It's the whole reason a majority of our computers are built in a modular fashion. Also, how many people you know can take a AI mini board and build there own AI model? I respect your opinion but it doesn't really make sense.
@@Riiyanthere are some incredible examples of UA-cam videos of creators running different LLMs on the Pi5. Usually capped by ram unfortunately. Is really appealing to some of us to run models locally because of fine tuning (ro some degree also control) and the small form factor of the pi allow us to essentially have small portable customizable task specific models.
It’s quite exciting if you’re into trying different models and tuning them.
@@joeblow229eh? a miniature, underpowered AI machine rather than a miniature, underpowered desktop computer?
if they produced a million units per week i suspect we would still have pi shortage, i want two now
They sell around 5 million a year so 1 million a week would be massive over production and would probably put the company out of business.
@@backgammonbacon seeing people complain about waiting for months, perhaps, perhaps not
@@betag24cn a million per week is 48 millions per year. That's so far into overproduction that it isn't even funny. Most smartphones sell less than 48 million units (per model) per year
@@betag24cnDepends, at some point demand drops off and with extra production capability sitting idle, it adds cost. You have to find a sweet spot. Also, it's probably not completely up to RPi. They probably have to wait for their vendors to supply enough parts to allow for assembly. I don't think we are completely past the chip shortage.
@@benargee they rent time and equipment from sony in england, it can be flexible, i wish it was cheaper, rigth now it is 120 dollars on amazon, more units less price
My Pi4 is a workhorse. I'm not devastated that Pi5s are in short supply but when they finally are in stock regularly I'll be picking up a couple.
The thing is, the Pi 4 is already an excellent little computer-I'm still running five of them in my homelab today! I'm glad they're back in stock, and CM4 are back in stock quite often too.
Doesn't hurt to live by a Microcenter. They have been getting shipments here and there.
@@rmo9808 I forget sometimes how much a privilege it is to have a real computer store in my hometown-and in my case, less than 10 minutes away!
It used to be there were like 5-10 computer stores / electronics stores in any major city :(
I'm running several Pi 3's. I like that they don't need much cooling.
@@JeffGeerling Some years ago, I used to work directly across the street from a Microcenter. My paychecks never made it home for some reason.
SO excited for the cm5. Normal models are cool and all, but a sleek, embedded sbc is my wet dream. Having a cm module at the pi5 speeds will be SO great.
I guess cm5 will have 6 or 4 pcie lanet because the rp1 bridge eats 4 lanes if its not existed 4 lanet would be free at least I hope
@@bersissevimli1588 On the other hand, they will likely keep the RP1 (my best guess) so the Pi interfaces are all there just like on Pi 5-that also gives USB 3.0 speeds for free, which the Pi CM4 did not have-along with the single PCIe lane!
But we'll see. I know *I* would prefer them just handing me over 5 lanes of PCIe at Gen 3 speeds :)
@JeffGeerling I'm designing a board to use pcie on a 5g modem, so what do you wager will be the skill level to ALSO boot off an nvme? Do they use the same pcie lane or no?
@@dollarbutt Many 5G modems *only* use USB 3, so in that case, you could adapt that to the slot and then M.2 NVMe to the PCIe connector and you'd be good to go. Otherwise, you'd need to add a PCIe switch chip, and that adds a bit of complexity, but is not impossible.
I'm hopeful someone will come out with an M.2 dual-slot board, with 1x M-key, and 1x A+E-key, for WiFi/NVMe, or 5G/NVMe use.
Pi 5 has been perpetually out of stock since launch in US by all stores recommended by the official Pi website. For the ones that do offer preorders, the wait time is 3+ months guesstimate. I thought production wasn’t an issue anymore? I don’t remember having issues when the Pi3 or 4 launched. I refuse to pay scalper pricing on something intended to be inexpensive and hobbyist, it defeats the purpose. I might as well get an x86 board for $150-200+.
Production isn't the issue right now-distribution is... it sounds like at current rates, stock will catch up and we can fleece the scalpers again by April/May! That's my hope, at least.
At that point, you'll probably see posts on Reddit "I have a box full of Pi 5s, I'm selling them for < MSRP!" as they try to recoup their losses.
@@JeffGeerling lol I hope so, thanks! Hope everything is going well for you health-wise, I have similar issues so I can empathize.
Instead, I have been buying USFF machines like Lenovo that go for $50-60 on eBay. Complete machines with ps and space for a 2.5" drive. And then there are many other SBCs on the market.
Take a look at Mouser. They have 1,136 Pi 5 4GBs in stock and 2,386 8GB models arriving within the next two weeks.
@@JeffGeerling so scalpers are buying up all the pis?
If you close your eyes it’s like Jeff is interviewing Boris Johnson about single board computers
hahahaha
Peppa Pig Pi5
Boris is bluster, bombast and bullshit. Upton is the opposite
Amazing
When you open your eyes it is actually Jason Statham
What a great interview! Loved the question that you asked and damn he really answered all the questions good without like going around the point. Looked like he was prepared! Thank you for the vid!
I have never used an NPU that was not disappointing. From Coral to the embedded RK3588 NPU they all use quantized models with limited functionality and always bugs bugs bugs. Limited model support with widely varying functionality. Always something missing. If they were everything they could be they would basically be GPU's.
True; though for particular niches, if you can program around the quirks, they are quite useful.
Like Coral + Frigate is a match made in heaven at this point... makes running NVR on Pi almost too easy! (Video on that soon).
If PCIe GPU support keeps progressing, eventually you might be able to just go with one on the Pi 5/CM5 instead
Also a big fan of the company in general from the start. And the RP2040 is just, man. IO capability like that on a chip this price is just madness. The PIO gives an insane versatility to the GPIO pins. If I understand the current state correctly you can use PIO to create 2 TWO additional USB connections. Sure, slow ones but that's still more then enough for many devices. And that's just one example.
And apparently they are actually making money on those. Judging from the availability always and everywhere.
Amen, I only recently started working with the rp2040 and found out about its versatility. The PIO was a nice surprise but also the DMA controller. You can e.g. feed data straight from the memory to a PWM pin without any involvement of the CPU. The ability to use it to emulate old RAM and ROM chips for systems like old consoles, pinball machines and other vintage stuff where original parts might not be available anymore or prohibitively expensive. I'm just blown away by how well thought out this tiny chip is, and at $0.70 per unit on a reel. I bet we'll see tons more use of it in the future, as more people learn about its full potential.
The RP2040 is a frikkin powerhouse for it's size and price. It's state machines are capable of 360Mbps sustained data rate, meaning it can even emulate DVI signals. I've used PIO in several projects and its speed keeps blowing my mind. This is what give the RP2040 its edge over the ESP32, although the ESP32 is somewhat faster at running code.
CM5 confirmed, nice. Hopefully they're in stock in large enough numbers for hobbyists to actually get their hands on them instead of 100% of the supply going to big industry customers as usual.
Amazing, thank you so much for getting these updates and sharing it
Regarding AI use cases, they just need to make a 16GB Pi 5 and that will make a huge difference for LLMs.
Micro Center in Marietta dropped 46 Pi 5s two days ago. I bought one, bringing my collection to three. There are still 12 left today. Pi 5s are on the march!!
My Pi5 pre-order only just shipped this week. I have a k3s cluster of five 8GB 4Bs, but happy to have a 5 coming to start testing with.
I wish they also made a Zero 3W, with atleast 4GB ram and wifi. could be the same cpu, its fine, but just more memory.
I'd take one with the pi4 cpu and 1gb of ram at say 20-25usd.
I'd take a zero 2W-b with a dsi mipi screen out.
Great interview and it's always good to hear from Eben!
Great interview Jeff. Excellent questions for Eben. Maybe this can be a somewhat quarterly quickie interview thing you two do going forward? (even if a pi-tele-connect) Good solid clarification to common questions that many have.
Sounds like he watches your videos too! Cool guy, he knows what's going on and has legitimate interest.
Good questions, really liked the interview, thanks Jeff.
Looking forward to the official Rpi5 M.2 Hat+ in March!
Expected to read a sea of Jason Statham comments... was not disappointed :D
Great interview! Really looking forward to the CM5!
I wonder if a Raspberry Pi Zero 3 is in development. It would be nice to see a 8GB model. Also it would be cool to see a 16GB Raspberry Pi 5 down the pike too.
Exciting to hear about the cm5! Looking forward to it!
Please keep the store in Leeds. My son and visited on Saturday during traffic madness weekend with the taking the footbridge out at Armley roundabout (key road in and out Leeds) we bought the camjam #3. Hope to buying more picos soon.
Thank you both for this weeks video.
I haven't purchased a Raspberry Pi (not counting the Pico) since getting a Pi 3 Model B+ when it was released. Finally got an order in for a Pi 5 Model B 8GB! I'm looking forward to using it as my go-to programming platform and relocating all the microcontroller projects that keep piling up around my desktop.
I feel like he gave very reasonable, informed answers.
I wonder how many people know who Eben is, on sight? I imagine that he could be walking the floor and walk up to many booths that that base their product line on his product and not even realize he is standing right in front of them. Except for the big boys like Intel and AMD, etc., I would be willing to bet the Pi accounts for a massive install base in CES products.
Raspberry Pi's would be exciting and all. If it wasn't for a lot of people discovering mini pc's during the shortage and price hikes. Including me. Either a second hand enterprise one with ssd and memory for sub $100 or new ones with low tdp Intel cpu's for less then double that. I am about to install proxmox on mine and will probably expand that to a cluster of similar machines going forward. Just for the hell of it.
They just aren't the no-brainer alternative they once where. Unless you have very little space for your homelab. Or need it for some kind of hardware project....
looks like i am going to Leeds in the uk. for my Pi fix. only live 30 miles down the M1 (Free way (for the USA)) ....
Thanks Jeff did not know about the Pi store in Leeds (so i learnt something).
The Pi ship has sailed for me personally. So many promises but rarely delivered. I own a Pi 2 and have owned multiple Pi 3 units. With the Pi 4 and its Gb Ethernet and USB 3, I wanted to build a low power NAS because the 100Mb on the Pi 3 doesn't cut it, but they never seemed to be in stock in my region and I wasn't about to pay scalper pricing. I ended up switching to a low power i3 server build. Though it's not quite as power efficient, it is more powerful and a lot easier to source. Plus I can easily upgrade the RAM and CPU if they don't meet my needs (but so far so good).
Yes the availability has been poor on average, that has been a nagging downside. It prevents the machines from being used in commercial products that require a steady supply. And the problem hasn't generally been production, their lines are running a top speed but they simply cannot get them to the consumers fast enough.
Totally agree with PI CEO, AI is a problem looking for a solution, adding it to the PI is a thing that's not going to be used by a good number of users.
But it's AI! It does everything! I mean, nothing useful really, but EVERYTHING!
Availability is better than with the Pi 4, that is a really good sign for the Pi's future albeit we get into regions where small x86 boards like the N100 can be cheaper.
No “can” about it; they are. Pi advantage is specialized apps and relative low power but honestly the N95/N100 ain’t far behind.
The year I spent at a technical college in Halifax, UK I remember going on the bus to Maplin in Leeds, sadly it is no more, so a RPi popup would be a good fit for Leeds.
Jason Statham makes wonderful Raspberry boards.
good to hear cm5 is going to forward compatible with cm4, that will eliminate the need of developing all the hardware again I guess?
power aka amps could be a problem
He said that they published a document that enables people to design hardware for cm4 that can work with cm5. That’s very different from saying the already designed hardware is going to work with it.
Mostly, I hope. I haven't gotten access to the PIP document yet, so can't be certain. But I think the major differences will be some interfaces are faster-so signal integrity on carrier boards is even more important on Pi 5-and power requirements might be slightly higher (so some boards might not have a beefy enough supply).
In Norway they’re available but the prices are kept to their scarcity price . No longer a cheap hobbyist machine that was good about it. Tired of paying through the nose
order from abroad? or due you get slapped with import tax?
Farnell is selling the 8GB RPi5 for NOK900, which is about £69 or €80 but no supplies until the first week in February. If you can hold out for a couple of weeks, there is no need to pay tout prices. Still, it's a far cry from the £25 these boards started out from when they were just a hobbyist thing.
don't forget the massive inflation the world has seen since the Pi 1 was introduced! @@egbront1506
@@egbront1506 You can still buy the earlier models at the original prices. With the Pi 5 you have got 2.5 times the computing power for $5 more than the Pi4. That seems like a pretty good deal.
@@jamesh9756 I'm in the UK so getting hold of one is easier than most for me. Having said that, looking at real world tests on RPi5, I would manage my expectations somewhat if you are expecting 2.5x the computing power of the RPi4.
Thank you for giving EDATEC‘s products a showcase screen! We have been working hard to produce more industrial products based on Raspberry Pi and are constantly updating our product series. Looking forward to seeing more videos of you in the future!
Definitely! I love seeing some of your new Pi 5 products! Hope to have some time to test some soon.
It will be a great honour!@@JeffGeerling
Didnt know there was a RPi pop up in Leeds now. Have to visit it soon 👍🏾
I was like, WHAT? Jeff is doing a video with Jason Statham?!!?!
ADC > AI
Can't disagree with that! :)
Probably more like 20-30% of all Pi users would benefit from a built-in ADC.
Much needed question!
Brings back memories of the 486SX vs 486DX discussions on chat boards.
If you build it they will come... ...around.
Ironically, my Pi zero w updated gravity in the background while I tried to post this...
I guess I really lucked out and got mine already in late September, phew..
It's a decent upgrade from Rpi4, and with Pineberry nvme hat it's very capable NAS 😊
I have 5 of the Pi-5 already. Great little processor
Hey Jeff, thanks for this, very interesting.
Could you please do a vid that covers security cams and smart home components? I'm getting into it but part selection/matching is such a minefield!
Thanks Jeff!
Purchased 2 pi,5 s runs smooth used 1 as a HTPC with Ubuntu and Kodi on it, the second is for my lab , purchased a Argon case which i also had for my pi 4 in the past.
Fantastic video as always, was super interesting to listen to this interview!
I think there’s a small error in the subtitles at 7:44 I’m pretty sure Eben says “been here for us all week”, not “been here for a little week”
Oopsie! Fixing that now.
@@JeffGeerlingawesome! Also wanted to say how grateful I am you include proper subtitles.
@@james-cucumber Always glad to do so! As someone who's suffered from poor eyesight at a couple points in life, and sensory issues at others... I know how valuable accessible content can be! I just wish I could do more-right now it's all I can do to enunciate clearly for blind viewers, and subtitle cleanly for deaf/hard-of-hearing (or those who need to watch on mute for whatever reason!).
Good to hear that the Leeds shop is officially not-really-a-pop-up now - that's basically what the guys in there said when I went in before Christmas. Could be a bit dangerous for my wallet though, having easy retail availability like that!
Just got the geekpi pcie adapter (x1001 v1.1) for raspberry pi 5. Seems to work ok, but, get tons of corrected errors at pci gen 3.
I believe they may be including a non-impedance-matched FFC cable-that would definitely cause some errors in the signaling, and it would be interesting to test a cable from the Pineberry Pi in their HAT to see if it works better.
Great work catching the mention of CM5. I think that's the first official confirmation, and based on the facepalm, I kinda think he didn't intend to reveal that yet.
Great intervju!
Pimoroni offering 10% off the 4Gb Pi 5 here in the UK at the moment. No such offer on the 8Gb model though. Must be confident of stock.
Bought mine from there right before Christmas. No preorder, or waiting times (smidge pricey though) and it runs Recalbox very well. All I want now is an inline power switch.
I would've very much liked to see wifi 6 support for the Pi 5. It would've given an enormous boost in terms of bandwidth especially on the 2.4 GHz spectrum. My 2.4 GHz network is using only a 20MHz channel width because of the many other networks around and because it's antisocial to eat up more than 1 channel when there are only 3 non-overlapping channels available. With wifi 5 that means there's only 72 Mbps max (technically it's wifi 4 still because wifi 5 only works in the 5 GHz band). Wifi 6 and later versions provide much better throughput even at somewhat weaker signals. This would've made the Pi 5 less reliant on a physical LAN cable. Now the Pi 5 feels more like a Pi4+ for me and I'm not running to replace my 4's.
Fantastic interview Jeff! Especially the AI & Hat thing parts. Felt inspired by Eben's openness and honesty. We've just created an RPi5-based vision AI product. Would be great if you see and try it. Thank you!😃
Yep, one of those still waiting :( pre-ordered 2 pi 5's and black power adapters day 1 from Sparkfun.. I've seen a couple of times where the power supply may show in stock but guess by order 2 of each.. it seems until they have all 4 pieces at the same time.. not shipping.. ugh (have had 2 of the coolers for them for a while now waiting)
Well today saw some available via rpilocator, so order them... and not long after that, got email from sparkun that order had shipped 🤭
I got mine just before Christmas. The company I ordered for did a preorder that was slightly delayed.
Amazing to see pi store near me ❤
it would be nice if they would skip the 5V limit and do other options to be able to cluster them on a 12V rail or so , that is more available than 5V plus cables are smaller cost will be lower and so on
i just don't understand how a single board computer that used to cost 35 dollars, is now 80 - 110. When other single board makers are selling theirs for less.
Yes, a disappointing departure from their core principles, but locking in a low price didn't help with shortages... maybe pricing out hoarders will.
Probably not tho.
$60 (for 4 GB), not $80, and the $35 Pi 4 is still available (1 GB variety). I'm hopeful Pi will sell a $40 2 GB Pi 5 someday...
To be fair, that £25 board had 512MB of RAM instead of 8GB, fast ethernet instead of Gigabit, no onboard wifi and just USB 2.0 connectivity instead of a PCIe lane. People kept wanting more performance and more features and those can't come for free as the Pi already uses the cheapest components it can.
@@egbront1506 No that's not "fair", Moore's Law is still valid... and they could have done tiers like with the Pi 4.
@@JeffGeerling Is 2GB still viable with the push to eliminate 32-bit operating systems? If so I'd love to see this as an option..... also there should be a path to upgrade the memory even if it means taking it somewhere to have the chip replaced with a bigger one!
Pi Hat and Hat+ sound fantastic, and a great upgrade to the Pi.
Speaking of Coral, I thought of using an appropriate-model accelerator to see which of various devices with WiFi sockets lying fallow could host it, but, as far as I can tell, the Edge TPU compiler is not only closed source, but restricted specifically to Debian and derivatives (not just any Linux) on x86-64... deal-breaker.
I got my Pi 5 quite some time ago, super lucky.
Nice scoop, Jeff.
good to hear Raspberry Pi news from Eben Upton.
Fair anwser, you can put too much on a board/chip and things will get very expensive if you do. Even a $2 part might offset sales at that price level.
Yeah I don't want a bunch of extra specialty chips on the board. Let people put hats on or use one of the interfaces.
@@fakecubedindeed! Why tax for extra features when 80% wont ever use it in their life? Just a waste of parts and money
I want to know if there is a pi500 in the pipeline???
"Where are the Pi 5's?" "Jeff, you already own all three of them that we made!" I hope you're having a great time in Vegas. Make sure to enjoy the good food!
Haha I wish! I've gotten two (in addition to the alpha board I was provided for testing pre-launch), waiting for more availability before I buy a few more.
@@JeffGeerling …do you mean you're trying to stop eating them like potato chips, or are you having trouble finding them? 😏
FRIGATE! How good! I've just gone down this rabbit hole myself, but unlike you, I'm a complete n00b with docker and home assistant. I'm getting there, but it's been a mission.
Setup guide video?
Been working on it! I was hoping to do it in January, might be Feb now though... we'll see.
Good news overall, but kinda sad to see no real news about any new products in the vein of the rp2040. It seems like Jason heard the question as something about giving the 2040 ai acceleration, but I'd just like to know if we'll see any new rp microprocessors, like something with more or less gpio.
I also asked about that separately... but had forgotten to ask more specifically while recording!
They have been, of course, working on 'what's next' (they've said as much in the forums), and unfortunately are tight-lipped on specifics.
I know there are a few things that have bugged *me* while using RP2040-hopefully power consumption/sleep is better (so use with batteries is easier), and it would be really cool to get any more IO, especially after the Bluetooth feature enablement gobbled up a tiny bit more of it! We'll see if they can do any of that in the next generation (would technically be their third chip, since RP1 was designed first!).
Not sure how they could cram much more in the same package size, though. And just shrinking process nodes isn't as useful on a microcontroller like this, AFAIK-there are other concerns with GPIO and sensitivity and stuff (but I'm no chip engineer!).
I was planning on doing a full video on battery-powered Pico projects, but was having enough trouble matching longevity on smaller battery cells to similar ESP projects I scrapped that idea for now :(
At the price of a few bucks each, the pico 2w (rp2040 based) is a pretty good microcontroller at a dirt cheap price. It doesn't make much sense to roll ai in to that. If ai is required you probably do not want a microcontroller and move to a small computer. Or... leave the pico 2w as is and then come up with a separate board, which I'm sure would cost WAY more.
@@bertblankenstein3738 Pico W? Or Pi Zero 2W? :D (Both are great little boards, but different purposes!).
@@JeffGeerling The upgrade I like to see most is a better ADC. The conversion unit itself is fine but the net functionality is rather low-grade right now because of a jittery reference voltage. Unfortunately that's a natural consequence of the cheap and efficient switching voltage regulator. It's the best choice for the board but not for the ADC. I hope they are looking at solutions and find an affordable way at scale. I fear it might fall into the same category of "only relevant to max 20% of our customers" but I also think that there are limits to that policy. Sometimes you have to add quality to keep the majority onboard longterm.
Do anybody know if the DeskPi Super6C will be able to take CM5 boards - ofcause if the connecters are the same and the physical dimentions allow it? Should I buy a Super6C now or wait until CM5 gets out? I have some CM4's and want to get started with the Super6C 🙂
I put in a preorder for two Pi 5s and they arrived late 2023. The website let me order 2, I could have gone for more, but i have no need for more.
I have one. Ordered it within 4 hours of being released.
Yes! Shoutout for Leeds!
I wonder if there will be a Pi 5 version of the Pi 400 probably no because of cooling
Those sorts of computers are for end users, not major industry partners who have priority deliveries for anything they manufacture. Your mistake is thinking that Raspberry Pi cares about anyone other than their major industry partners who can afford to buy millions of dollars worth of hardware at a time.
Got mine in December
It is easy to forget that the Raspberry Pi Foundation was set up to create a very cheap all in one computing platform to teach kids to program and interface to devices like servos, sensors and so on. Now it's migrating to being a platform used by manufacturers of tens of thousands of different products, in small and medium runs.
more important question: when did "the worlds first 10$ linux sbc" decide to cost 4 digits?
Asking about AI in regards to Raspberry is a bit delusional, don't you think? I mean those are literally opposite ends of the market. I get that AI is the new buzzword but come one, that's just ridiculous. The baseline for useful 7B/13B 4bit models is an RTX 4060 Ti 16GB for local inference. That's a 450 Dollar Card. You're not gonna connect that to a Raspberry Pi.
Yeah its misleading, those embedded NPUs process specially prepped, quantized object segmentation models for image processing and object recognition and thats IT! It was only recently that they beta released the RK3588 RKNN API that let you even do a basic matrix dot product instead of process a specially prepared standard model like YOLOv5, InceptionSSD or mobilnet.
I ordered a pi 5 in November, and got it two weeks later, weeks ahead of estimate.
I put a pre-order in the day it opened here in Australia ... I was told last week I will be waiting another 6-8mths before I can get a single unit ... so I have already swapped my projects off to Banana / Orange Pi units and tbh I dont think I will return, even though I have supported them with multiple multiples of units in each generation.
You'd be better off ordering from one of the UK sellers that have them in stock now (Pimoroni apparently have a 10% off offer right now), if official local sellers have such a delay
That's wrong. You need to change resellers, you could maybe get a device within a couple of weeks by shopping around. Which reseller is quoting another 6 months?
Ah do give a heads up if you do head back to the UK, I live fairly close to the Pencoed factory if an informal meetup is not too weird 😂
Thank you for the video!
I am a bit sad about RPi5. Definitely it's a good board. But I don't see a reason to use it for Computer Vision and Machine Learning. It's not the fastest board on the market. And not the cheapest one. There are a lot of boards with better performance for the same price.
And a few other problems for RPi5:
1) No video encoding (a common task for some security tasks in computer vision).
2) Require a good power supply (and a lot of cooling)
3) Needs additional hat to use M.2 / pretty slow M.2
All of this is not critical. But there are fewer and fewer reasons to use it.
I hear what you are saying. I guess most people are using Pi s as a small desktop/server computer. It was originally focus on Linux and using tge gpio. I agree with you, and a minipc might be more suitable (for consideration at least),
The only reason I want to get a pi 5 is because they say that it can run dual mipi dsi display (with official lcd). No other sbc maker promised this afaik, other than cm4, but I agree. Pi was not supposed to be a home server, it's main purpose is it's gpio and a computer all in one, and being low powered (not anymore). Not to mention good software support compared to others that offer the same product, even though they have comparable/better hardware than a pi.
Funny thing is, board like orange pi 5 is more expensive compared to a raspberry pi 5 in my country, let's just hope scalper will not notice this yet...
@@user-28qhfk65 Yes, you can have two DSI attached, AND 2 HDMI, and IIRC, DPI, so up to 5 simultaneous displays.
@@jamesh9756 I just realised that the 'official' dsi lcd they offer is actually only number to 1, not to mention its a 480x800 7 inch, ips touchscreen display. That's a dealbreaker considering how powerful & expensive pi 5 really is.
Guess I'm not getting a pi 5 then cause that's the only reason I wanted one. Should've just gone for eDP instead of dsi since they use broadcom. It's 2024 & the minimum is like 10.1" 1280x720 IPS, yet they still think it's a good idea to release a pi 5 with dual dsi capability and only have a measly 480x800 lcd? Lol
I'm just a hobbyist so I've no idea what I'm blabbering about but from my perspective, they suck.
The RPi's GPU should be able to give a decent performance for uses like image recognition and so, but I think the drivers don't support opencl...
“Hello Robot”! 😂 8:08
I placed my order for Pi5 8GB 30 minutes after the announcement and still waiting for the delivery from big, official polish reseller :(
Too bad you are not a UA-cam creator or a "professional" (as defined by Pi Corp. Your only hope is that 6 months after the next model come out you can actually get one.
@@richleyden6839 or a mishap of my local reseller. According to rpilocator they seem to be available across Europe
they have been out of stock in sweden also since nov last year
Something cool would be the Pi Zero 3 to have the PCIe connector on it with a suitable processor upgrade.
I hope they target thermals and power usage in the next iteration
Jeff you can run frigate using the NPU of RK3588, check beta releases
Raspberry Pi stores? That's awesome! I've been buying and using Pis for al sorts of hobby and commercial applications since the very beginning, so it's great to se they're doing well.
Meanwhile in Australia, Pi 5 is not even close to being available....
Core has Pi5 kits in stock, Pi5, PSU and SD card is $181.40 so yeah it is nearly a $50 premium but it is available if you need one. I had no issues getting a 4 and a Coral so will stick with that for dev and change to a 5 when I am ready to rollout.
They're inside defense contractors' projects. Saved you a watch.
Pi5 8g are still between 125-150€ here :c
I am still salty over there move during the pandemic to ditch the non commercial costumer. He is throwing big words but it hasn’t changed anything. Still no reasonable pricing after a year and supply is still low.
Still buying the Lenovo tiny pc for half of the price…
We are a LOT of former supporters that are very disappointed ! Honestly with all the competition and the highly inflated pricing even from authorised RPI resellers the Pi is very quickly loosing its relevance. But the software support for Pi is bar none you say ! Well any x86 sbc has full support for all software you can imagine and does not.need to wait for being mainline kernel etc etc
Should have asked about 1 and 2 GB models. The biggest complaint I hear about the pi5 in comments online is that it's not a cheap SBC anymore. But that's mainly because there's no low RAM option yet (which they clearly intend to make as it's right there on the board, with the config resistor)
Patience needed. They will turn up.
Also worth noting that all the other models are still available, you can still buy a cheap Pi.
@@jamesh9756 I'm sure they will but would have been a good Q to ask Eben
I look forward to the CM5, honestly 😎
Wrt more features, Eben is right AI is going to add cost. Keep in mind that a pi with a pcie board is starting to get closer to the cost of a minipc with comparable performance. Let's not make the pi more expensive. Keep it simple and low cost.
Did I miss the Frigate video? Or is it not out yet/not a video?
You need to ask him about the Poe Hat. They posted about the design in October, but no American retailer has an eta on availability.