Ken Shamrock on WHY He Abruptly Quit WWF in 1999 - "It Was Time For Me to Go"
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- Ken Shamrock on WHY He Abruptly Quit WWF in 1999 - "It Was Time For Me to Go"
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Ken was an absolute badass in The Attitude Era. When his music hit you knew shit was about to go down.
Just like Austin...hell yeah!
@@criminalmindsgirl2936 That was why WCW copied both Austin and Shamrock put them together and created Goldberg.
A rip off of both of them in one.
Goldberg couldn’t wrestle. He was even worse then warrior.
@@PakiFighter Are you kidding me? Goldberg definitely was a better wrestler than Ultimate Warrior, and I like Ultimate Warrior. Goldberg had more better moves than Warrior and that's a fact.
@@rloco80 Okay. Maybe it was a toss up between the two. Watch Goldberg vs Steven Regal and you’ll know what I mean.
Guy transitioned from ufc to wwf so effortlessly, he did deserve better and was so legit.
Absolutely, he was such a great wrestler. They under utilized him and he was still awesome.
He was good considering he came from real fighting into a strictly entertainment business. Not the best on the mic but better than one would think, better than I’d do for sure.
He was also doing Pancrase at the time as well.
@@wesbarber8353 always suprised me he never had at least one run as champion, I understand at the time the main event scene was dominated by rock, austin, undertaker but he did deserve more.
@@jerichobeach2967 I agree, coming from the ufc the credibility he had and he could do some cool shit in the ring. The frankensteiner lol
He made this point in another shoot interview: it’s weird how he was never asked back EVER for a Raw reunion show, a one-off shot, or even a small run. He was in and out for a couple years, made a huge impact, and then he was never seen in WWE again. It’s pretty weird.
His short WWF run was criminally underrated, and it's ridiculous that his legacy has been ignored by WWF/WWE since.
ridiculous bro...at least he beat Rock to be 98 KOTR...also made the hitman tap out on raw but the ref was ko...but anyways go Utube : are you a good person by living waters
I would rather have seen Shamrock than Michaels in the WWF. Michaels was trash
@@timchumichuck306 and you just outted yourself as someone who knows jackshit about wrestling really quick. You can hate Shawn as a person but saying he was trash is clear you have not even the basic idea of what wrestling is.
much respect for him knowing when to let go and let young talents have a chance. unlike many wrestlers like hogan, flair, sting, and hbk etc..they became too embarrassing to watch trying to cling to their past glory.
Shamrock had all the potential...
- 1998 King Of The Ring winner
- 1x Intercontinental champion
- 1x Tag Team champion
Sad how WWE wasted him
I agree, he should have had the big strap at least for a small run.
The idiot left
And has before defeated the likes of Rock, I believe he's also defeated HHH and Kane as well.
I never understood why they pushed him to win the KOTR...then did NOTHING with it...sure, promos and mic skills weren't his strong point, but at that point give him a manager to be his mouthpiece! Lost opportunity for WWF.
I feel like Ken had an idea to have a stable of shootfighters, but it never came to fruition. That could have been a badass stable for the Attitude Era. Shamrock, Severn, Blackman...and get someone to be their manager.
@@jpaul3163 that would’ve been good. A stable like that would’ve got huge crowd pops if they’d stood up to the authority figures etc.
Interesting that they fumbled the 1999 KOTR winner as well as ‘98. Kurt Angle bucked the trend!
HHH & Shawn ! Backstage politics
He is right… I remember watching, Shamrock was my favorite wrestler at the time, and he started feuding with guys like Val Venis and Steve Blackman. Shamrock was being pushed like he should have and then was forgotten. At the time I was upset that he left but after hearing this interview it makes sense and I would have left if I was him too
W Legend. Been rewatching old episodes of WWF on Peacock and maaaaaan Ken was such a badass. Him and Blackman were built different.
He was SOOO over man ,he could've been WWF champion if he stayed in enjoying his run but I'm getting close to when he leaves
Should be in the hall of Fame
If Ken went into the WWE Hall of Fame, he would be the only person in history to be in WWE/UFC/TNA Hall of Fame. Interesting
He deserved a better push for sure. He was a legit fighter who left UFC for wresting. He's a legend
For sure and it would of built for a Lesnar show down and given a possible ME PPV if they protected Shamrock more.... I will say though that Shamrock kind of over did the crazy guy routine and at times it came across kind of goofy and forced
Would have been interesting to see Shamrock wrestle in 2000. Wrestling the likes of Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero and Angle. Definitely some potential good matches there.
Yeah, Angle v. Shamrock would have been something
*great
Benoit Vs shamrock in a lions den match would be a brilliant match.
He did fight Jericho?
@@thekenjirosangaarena they had a mini feud in Shamrock’s final days in late 1999. I remember the Raw segments. Not sure if there was ever a singles match or if that was being lined up for a PPV
That was quite passionate to hear Ken talk like that.
Ken Should of been A Top Dude 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆💵💵💵💵💵💵
He did ok. He was midcarder.
I-always-loved-when-Shamrock-would-snap-in-the-ring
Being a wrestler and a nice guy must make working in that industry 100 times harder with all the BS dramas..
Ken should get more credit.. Glad he gave bret props
Ken is a real one. Agree.. Loyalty and integrity...
This was the best and most bare all clip. Wonderful job
For all he went through, he doesn't sound salty. I believe him
I knew it was over for Ken when Vince beat him by technical submission with the ankle lock in the octagon in a few seconds. There's no coming back from that kind of humiliation.
Same here, Vince beating Ken happened in early June 1999. I'll fill you in on what happened after, as I followed & taped the B-shows and C-Shows. After it, Ken Shamrock got demoted WWF Heat losing to Billy Gunn and having "gaga matches" with no finish, and then in August 1999 demoted to WWF Shotgun just beating Chaz and Albert. He rarely appeared on Raw during this time, and if he did, he lost. Jobber to the stars situation, just like Vader before, where they only won on the C-Show (WWF Shotgun) against lower-card guys & local jobbers. It was clear to me that Ken had heat with someone. And then in September 1999, he got buried to Jericho after Smackdown debuted and quietly disappeared from TV.
@@albalog2449it was Vince who he had a problem with!
The World's Most Dangerous Man (With His Sister). Absolutely bollocks, it was hard to see him suddenly disappear for me Ken was one of my favorites. I would've loved to see him work with Angle the same way he kind of helped solidify The Rock on his up and coming spot.
Shamrock was one of my favourite wrestlers during the attitude era he always had great match’s with guys like the rock Owen hart mankind Steve Blackman undertaker etc
You mean Steve Mufuggin Blackman. 😉😉😉
If someone tried to put me in a story where I have sex with my sister I think I'd quit too.
Why.... is she not a looker? 😂
(just messin')
@@cgarciahfcu it doesn't matter what my sister would look like, you're fucked up if you think any differently.
I've got a super sexy sister I would hook up with without a 2nd thought
The irony is that Ken really was dating Ryan off camera. 😏
I was a huge Ken Shamrock fan......he was a legit badass n a natural in the ring...... maybe not the best on the mic, but him n Stone Cold should've had a fued
I agree, but sometimes u don’t need to be good on the Mike. His body language and facial expressions was enough imo to get him over and into a top spot. Could of got Corny or somebody to be his manager and do talking for him.
They should of strapped the wwf rocket to him. I’m sure between the McMahon/Austin storyline they could of made room for shamrock. Wasted moment.
Cornette said Shamrock was on the verge of going on a run, when he walked away.
yeah cornette never lies.
@@Joker-no1fz good talk.
So that's why it felt like he just vanished into thin air. I miss the Attitude era. I was glued to my TV every Monday night wondering what was going to happen next. It was a fun time.
Started with Survivor Series 1997. Yeah I can see why The WWF never gave Ken Shamrock a chance after Bret Hart left.
So at this point he had success, in what was UFC, also wrestled professionally. Was stuck in between but they asked for a Stu impression, Ken wasn't laughing. Said the guy would stretch him but he had to take it. That's how he became close with the Hart's. Ken lived there, loved it, hated the weather.
I noticed that too! ☘️ was rising to the top after he whipped The 🪨 ass in K.O.T.R 98 and whipped Owen’s in Summer Slam 98 he was rising to the top. And when he put the 🪨 and Undertaker over, we all noticed his character development started to decline worse and worse. Now he’s right back to square one wrestling and jobbing to duds like Val Venis, Blue Meanie and Goldust! Like what the hell! His power level went down. I don’t know I watch too much DBZ! 😂
He nailed it. He wasn't part of the clique, he came up through the Bret side so he was out once the Clique took over.
He also was just the guy who wasn’t intimidated by anyone. He would had easily fucked up a lot of those guys in that locker room had they tested him 💯. The fight between him and big show, then him and triple H having a bit of beef but triple H knowing better than to even try him on a shoot out one on one.
I just love this guy!
Dedication, hard work, talent, integrity, intensity... When I think about all of these things, ken shamrock literally comes into my mind!
Steve blackman was also a really good, legitimate fighter of the attitude era but ken shamrock was at another level totally..
No doubt about that.
Dude needs to be in the WWE Hall of Fame already.
we know that hes dope but if guys like shamrock & owen are not in the HOF but guys like trump & snoop dogg are, how credible is the HOF? Shamrock beat the rock to be 98 KOTR...if anything thats his ring...and Owen beat bret, the same card bret won the wwf title in the main event...to me thats his ring but anyways my guy go Utube : are you a good person by living waters
*not to mention Owen won 94 KOTR
Loved Ken as a kid I think He was ahead of his time (respectfully) he would of had a much better career if he came during the ruthless aggression era
I think russo missed used him
Shamrock was only 3 years from the ruthless era that was 02 he left in 1999
Feeling like it was unsafe in WWE so headed back to MMA tells you all you need to know! Wow.
Shawn Michaels in July 97: "i'm want out of here because of this unsafe working enviroment"..
Shamrock used to scare me as a kid when he used to skitz out and go psycho, badass character
Ken was a bad ass.
Great talent.
Shamrock is a Hall of Famer.
Shamrock came from Japan, straight to Calgary. As he asked a "friend" over there, "who can help me become a pro in this biz?" Owen, said, you should train with my Dad.
Wow this dude is far more articulate and insightful than given credit for. Love listening to his interviews.
In his podcast, Bruce Pritchard said that Ken left stating that he required knee surgery but told Vince he'd be back once he recovered. Then shortly after that they heard about him doing MMA fights and knew he lied. Bruce also stated that Ken was being set up to have a run against Stone Cold and eventually become champion. Take that however you will. Ken's version seems quite believable
How is he set up to have a program was Stone Cold it mid 1999? He literally was Triple H by that point.
@@TheSSUltimateGoku Ask Bruce. Btw, Ken Shamrock wasn't Triple H
Idk kind of sounds like bs since ken was getting hit with cars by Steve Blackman at the end lol
Maybe in 2001, but definitely not earlier than mid 2000. But if he was going to start jobbing, then it would never happen. I also call bs on Pritchard.
Yeah and that story came from the WWF/E company man who always claims when wrestlers lie to Vince or the company they always find the proof of the lie. I'll stick with Ken with this story
The world most dangerous man Ken Shamrock. He is the best Intercontinental champion.
He had a different situation than most. His brand was beyond WWE and it makes sense he got out when they started screwing with it.
I always wondered where he went and expected him to land in WCW when it was still doing ok, and then I saw him after it was over in TNA. I thought Bret’s departure had something to do with it. He seemed like a Hart kind of guy - as in, a serious wrestler who took the business seriously and was all about respect. You stick with me and I’ll stick with you kind of thing. It’s a shame. He could have had great matches with Austin and the Rock when things really got hot in WWF. He would have made a great champion, but that main event scene was stacked.
He didn't last in TNA.
@@basedpatriarch well, it was TNA. Another Vince Russo hell hole. From the beginning, naming it TNA was so stupid. Impact Wrestling was fine, but TNA was something a 13 year old boy would come up with. No wonder they failed. AJ Styles spent too many years there. He was too good for that place. I hate WWE, but he would have been better off there and been a bigger star. AJ in his prime would have been far better than Reigns, Batista or Cena. What a decline from the 90s.
He was very oddly booked in 99. Looked like they were about to pull the trigger on a Vince feud and then that transitioned into Blackman. He had a ppv match with Taker and a whole episode dedicated to him saving Steph etc.
Ah I remember that about Ken saving Stephanie. Isn't that when brood joined the ministry of darkness and they kidnapped her and Ken had the match with Christian I think and put him in an ankle lock to find out where she was?
@@Novakane2011 bingo the brood were giving him a bloodbath but be held onto Christian. It was my favourite Raw. That was only a couple of months after losing a feud to Val Venis.
Ken Shamrock is one of the BEST HOF
I always wanted Ken to hold the title, not the rock or hhh.
I wish we woulda got Shamrock vs Angle. An ankle lock / submission match would been 🔥 but that's just me fantasy booking
That would have been amazing.
Don't understand why Shamrock wasn't pushed to main eventer in 1998
The answer to kens questiion is kurt angle. They singed him to be their new homegrown shamrock.
Yah, The WWF really dropped the ball with Shamrock.
Ken Shamrock and Big Bossman were a great tag team in Vince's Corporation.
Ken could’ve (and should’ve) been a top guy. Not saying he needed a run with the strap because I don’t think he needed it. Definitely could’ve been in a gatekeeper role. At that time, you couldn’t have asked for a more legit guy to have in that position.
A Ken Shamrock vs Chris Jehrico fued would have been fire
Idc what anyone saids say what you want about kwn shamrock dude was a savage in his prime and i still believe he belongs in the wwf hall of fame because he made the ground game what it is and he basically took ufc submission into his wwf gimmick he definitely eletrified the submission game in wwf
why is this guy not in the WWE Hall of Fame is mind boggling. he has always been a good worker and looked great and not to mention his MO of being a legit MMA fighter..him and him along with others have ushered the Attitude Era imo
People say he wasn’t charismatic enough to be a main eventer but all I can say is as a kid watching Attitude I thought Shamrock and Steve Blackman were so badass and totally would’ve bought Shamrock in main events
As a kid I loved shamrock cause he was the real deal
Shamrock was my favorite wrestler in the Attitude Era.
ken is a great interview
Jim Cournette said to let Bret face Ken Shamrock and let him do a shoot on Bret in the Ring. Obviously, Shamrock NEVER would have gone with that! You can tell he completely Respects Bret!
Ken's push diminished by early 1999. Holding the tag titles with Boss Man was a depush (they only held them for a few weeks), he was cleanly pinned by The Undertaker in April, and slid further down the card, doing nothing of consequence, thus I would have asked for my release too, if I'd been in his position, with his brand name.
Shamrock was diminished frfr
@@illkid86 eh?
Not really wrestlers to fluctuate up and down the card. Look at mick foleys career from main event to middle card and back again.
His Push peaked during the Autumn of 1998. Right after Owen died, Shamrock sunk into a Midcarder.
6 weeks is pretty decent time during that era. Losing to the Undertaker isn’t a bad thing, he then was in the Union fighting off the ministry and then feuded with Blackman…,,you kids are embarrassing
Nothing but fond memories of KEN and the WWF Attitude era, I was so hooked, because it was AWESOME. Loved it. Please insert Time Travelling DeLorean here, with or without "Einstein", I'm jumping in and going back in time to relive the WWF Attitude Era
Ken has a better mind for the business than most people give him credit for. His UFC background worked both for and against him at the time, he was probably viewed as an outsider and that's why they never put the strap on him. I can detect some pain in his voice over what happened to Owen
Ken was one of my fav guys when I came back to wrestling. His disappearance was a complete mystery. I think his last match was against Chris Jericho.
It was
Let me guess, Ken Shamrock's WWF contract didn't expire till 2001, which would explain his appearance in No Mercy the video game in 2000, despite leaving in September 1999.
PS - Apparently, The Big Show Paul Wight wasn't in No Mercy as punishment for weight issues or something like that?
Man Ken seems like he’s in a really good place. You listen to interviews from him back in the day and it just came across as him having a real chip on his shoulder. Now he seems to be much more mellow and happy!
Looks good for his age and still has it mentally
Sounds like Ken understood the business very well.
Kens outside the ring lifestyle had a major impact on him falling out…He is one of the pioneers and one of the greatest of all times…
They simply change him with Kurt Angle. Shamrock had a nice technical skills, after he quit WWF - WWF promoted Kurt Angle as a brand new technical wrestler.
Ken Shamrock & Bret Hart would have been a great tag team. Ken vs Angle is a DREAM match we all deserved!!
Wish he would go in WWE hall of fame
Ken you put into words what I'm feeling working in the north.
do not feel like I have support not moving in the right direction...
this interview is great👍
I remember Shamrock was starting to be pushed down to the C shows like Shotgun Saturday night in the summer of 1999 but at the same time he was winning pay per view matches. Then he was put in feud with Chris Jericho who was also up and down first feuding with the rock and then being pair with Howard Finckel. I think since Russo was on his way out the writers were scrambling to find out where Russo was going with all these story lines.
I would not envy anyone the role of trying to clean up Russo’s booking.
That's a very good point, I remember the exact same thing, but I completely forgot Shamrock beat Steve Blackman at SummerSlam and Fully Loaded. I don't think I ever saw those PPV shows looking back. And that time in August and September 1999 was very hectic. It was clear Russo was on his way out and he "phoned it in", but it was also the writers scrambling for JR's booking as well. This was because this was that was when Dr. Death was supposed to get his push against Austin, and in the long-term that obviously didn't go as expected. The idea was to repair Dr. Death's Brawl For All loss with a strong babyface hardcore title run starting in April (Backlash), Dr. Death turning heel on JR in August (sitting him in a chair like HHH did), and getting Stone Cold involved heading into the debut episode of Smackdown. This IICR was a big reason why British Bulldog got hired with a random push.
@@albalog2449 Russo was definitely phoning it in. They pushed D’Lo making him the first ever wrestler to hold the European and Intercontinental Champion to hold both belts simultaneously. Then he loses both belts to Jeff Jarrett who is going to leave the following month and he just hands over the European championship to Mark Henry, who was D’Lo’s tag team partner. Then Billy Gunn is supposed to get the push for the IC Belt since he won the KOTR but they give the push to Chyna instead. Chris Jericho starts off hot feuding with the Rock, then they scratch that, they give him Howard Finckel and Mr. Hughes to feud with Shamrock who was supposed to be feuding with Steve Blackman. Mick Foley wins the triple threat match at summer slam only to lose the title the night after. 1999 started off as the hottest year in wrestling but Russo managed to screw that summer up big time.
@@SonnyBubba his booking was all over the place. His biggest blunder towards the end was keeping Jarrett as the IC champ even though he was going to leave. And then they had to pay him $250k to drop the belt. I have know idea how Vince McMahon didn’t see that coming and why he allowed Russo to do that. I honestly think Russo was sabotaging it on purpose.
@@dariog36th Yeah, the summer of 1999 was when I was slowly but surely starting to lose faith in the WWF. I liked pretty much everything from 1998 and early 1999 though, especially with the crazy midcard guys (when the show looked just like the "WWF Attitude" video game). I heard rumors in the summer of 1999 that Russo and Ferrara were both burned-out with everything and simply didn't care by that point, as well as Russo being depressed because he missed his family and also depressed over the Owen Hart thing. That's at least what I recall at the time. I got even more alienated with the "Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley" angle, and I quit watching WWF in February 2000 (maybe early March?) and I switched over to AJPW (All Japan) when I got the January 2000 tape with Dr. Death's AJPW return. My mind was made up. For me, I'd rather watch Dr. Death, Bart Gunn, Vader and Stan Hansen all on the same roster than that weird HHH-Stephanie gaga, with storylines changing so often every week & just getting goofier, and the all midcarders I liked (D'Lo Brown, Tiger Ali Singh, Headbangers, Val Venis, Taka Michinoku, etc.) being a complete afterthought after HHH and Stephanie got married. I just had enough of it all with the WWF in February 2000 after very gradually being burned-out over a 6 month period.
Bret Hart ultimate badass
Ken should’ve been in the world title picture
If I had to guess…
I would say Kenny boy got played by the GAME!!
Having just watched wrestling bios it seemed ken stayed with wwf much after montreol. Hell he just beat the rock today at wreslemania 14
Glad to know "The World's Most Dangerous Man" is in Bret's camp when screwjob happened.
Not by choice or circumstance, but because he was asked to be there.
Ken is in a good place, then. Bret (or the Hart Foundation, collective-wise) is known for being warmth and accommodating to newcomers.
Unlike the Rock's rookie year, maybe Shawn and the Kliq knew early Ken is someone not to be messed up.
He is one of the few who was actually legitimate before "Professional Wrestling". Some others are Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley. He should of had a push like them but maybe him being associated with the Harts is what made them hesitate to push him?
He did ok to be fair with you. Ic champ 🏆 and king of the ring tournament winner.
Very under rated wrestler. Would've love to have seen him wrestle Kurt angle. Also if he was that close to the harts. Maybe Owens death Would've had something to do with lack of trust.
Shamrock deserved to be in the top spot for a decent length run. Love Shamrock's work and he is a class act in real life. Totally pre-ordered the Ken Shamrock figure for my son who is 3, but he needs to learn and know who Ken Shamrock is and his major contribution to the industry.
Same
Imagine if hhh wasn’t a politician and he got the top heel spot before hhh got it
Very insightful interview
Same old vince. If you were very popular before joining WWF/WWE, he was gonna book you to look weak against their own grown talent. It don't matter if you came from UFC, New Japan, ECW or in many cases even WCW, you were going to lose to the Rock, Austin, Undertaker, Triple H, Kurt Angle constantly. They tried to do the same to Dan Severn also. Asked him to write 666 on his forehead and he left the company immediately. Back then they had so much talent to choose from, now look at them now....same champion for over a year because they're struggling to book anyone else on that same level.
Chris Benoit is the only guy I can think of that Vince McMahon personally liked from another company, pushing him as a "WWE guy". They seldom mentioned Benoit's WCW and New Japan career, making you think he never had a career before January 2000 (his WWE debut). Dr. Death is another one McMahon and JR liked from All Japan, where in his contract he had a 6-month feud with Austin, but ultimately his hamstring injury happened. During that that 6 months, Dr. Death might have a couple month WWE title reign, but I'm 100% sure Austin would win as usual in the end (WWE is better than All Japan), with Dr. Death being an upper-midcard afterwards. Or maybe a strong tag-team with young guys like Batista/Randy Orton or something, where the "chosen WWE guys" could learn from a veteran.
Exactly I remember that bs with Dan
I don't even work there and I quit. Gosh
Ken's return to ufc was one of the things that prompted ufc and and the whole MMA to get a boost he had that Attitude Era fame to build upon plus the previous ufc fame
True. A lot of people fully switched over to UFC when the Attitude era ended.
What was supposed to happen at survivor series ? Bret win then give up the belt on raw then go to wcw? Didn't Bret want to give up the belt to Austin or taker as Shawn said he wouldn't give it up to Bret if the roles were reversed! So Vince should of respected Bret enough to grant him taker or Austin. But Shawn was known to get mad and probably make it difficult for Vince to decide. So guess he had to protect his future investment being Shawn. Ironic Shawn got injured a few months later and was out for five years. Best solution triple threat match at survivor series Bret Shawn and taker classic match
He should certainly be in the hall of fame of noses.
Fantastic interview
Best Intercontinental Champions.
Shamrock should've had the Brock Lesnar treatment. He was a legit badass. Same with Steve Blackman.
We all know Vince & WWF didn't push Ken fully because he's a pro UFC fighter that came to WWF. & This was back when UFC was still very underground. So I feel like he didn't want UFC guys to look tougher than his guys.
He wrestled before the UFC and even had a match in the WWF in 1989
Exactly
@@glasschin871 you don't even know what year the wwf started or the ufc!
@@George-dy3pt the ufc started in 93 , so he wrestled on wwf 4 years earlier.
TRUE BADASS
Ken vs Brock in their prime, man would of been crazy
He makes some very great points to say the least😂😂
They wasted. Ken shamrock. He should have been pushed harder. 💯
He would be a champion in this era
Wwe should have booked Ken Shamrock better.
The only thing that I find strange is... He left nearly 2 full years AFTER the Screwjob. (Nov 1997, Sep 1999). And he got a pretty darn good push after Montreal (KOTR winner, Tag Champs, IC champ...) Kind of strange how he said it's Montreal that drove him away.
Edit: OK they brought up the 18 months thing. My bad :)
Ken has always been full of chit