Budget FORGED N54 Motor BUILD BREAKDOWN COSTS $$$
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2022
- Budget FORGED N54 Motor BUILD BREAKDOWN COSTS $$$
I need to give Ken at Wedgeperformance a huge shoutout! He has helped so much with the build process let alone tuning. This car is wild! He is who you should be using for your remote tuning end of story.
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Had this exact noise happen to my 2007 335i n54 e92. Happened when I was coming home from work. The temp was 70 f outside and a bit cloudy. Check underneath the charge pipe and see if you see a little leprechaun playing with marbles. He got me the other day.
😂😂😂😂
Mine was a gremlin with a sock of nuts and bots. lol.
as a n54 enthusiast i have only been to a dealership to by a hat, never considered a different engine in my e90, and always open to any information i can find to keep my cars running the best i can for as little money as possible, within reason. greatly appreciate you sharing your experiences with us to help in the route we might take in our own builds. few goofy comments i needed to reply, hoping this channel stays alive , it has helped me out many times .all the best to u Andrew . oh ya drop the pan and pull the rod caps. cheers.
I am new ot your channel, It is taking me a while to get though all your vids. I love that fact that you take everyone through the problem solving process as opposed to just showing a repair/modification done in an ideal situation like those other channels. I have owned a e93 335i for about 7 years and added bolt ons shortly after purchase. Back then the n54 modding scene in Brisane (yes I am a fellow QLDer) was pretty primative. It has come a long way since then. You have inspired me to up my game! My car e93, M sports pack, Black on black, DCT, aFe dual cone cold air intake, VRSF 7" intercolloer, VRSF catless downpipes, Alloy charge pipe, JB 4, Stock turbos, Bilsein B12 shocks all round.
i have built 2 of these engines, fresh one on a stand as we speak, i do understand this is a budget build but imo there are certain steps in a build you must account for in your budget, if you do not remove the crank you just dont know what you got?, new bearing and polish crank at least, check block for cracks, cyl. bores for round , deck hieghts and might need to machine a few thou. of deck to make flat, same for cyl. head. if your oil pump has 200k on it put a new one in its the heart of your engine, this is just the basic stuff and i know its a build on the cheap, but if you gotta tear it down 3 times then it dont become cheap no more. excluding some of these things might be the cause of some of your problems you are having, love your channel and all the respect to you . my advice to all is that 7 or 800 hp will not come cheap. cheers.
Love the videos.
Hindsight is 20/20 but imo measuring when assembling an engine is a must.
Even machine shops get it wrong sometimes and it pays to make sure the measurements are spot on beforehand.
You live and you learn and the next one will be even better for it haha
I can't believe how much obstacles are being thrown at you this year, stay strong. I'm so sorry you going through all this pretty much all at the same time pretty much back to back. I hope there's a bigger plan in place for you because you deserve it with all the hard work you put in. Blessings and hope to see your channel up and running again very soon 🙏🙏 all the way from New york.
Have you heard the latest. It’s absolute nightmare.
@@ZeroTo60Tube what’s up? I completley agree with Estefania, it hurts me to see you go through this much resistance and I really hope everything works out for you in the end! I love your channel and I’m rooting for you!
@@KurumaDesigns that means a lot. I’ll be back. Just need to follow a process at the moment.
Yes definitely get this car on the dyno. And try racing the car on slicks at a strip. Some real 1/8 and 1/4 mile times! This car with these turbos interests me most. Keep it up👍
The fact is N54 motors sound like a diesel engine to start, the history of the N54 is unusual one, an absolute beast created by Alpina. You might be distorting the engine block cylinder bores out of round with the extra torque just my hunch. Thanks for all the great content excellent channel
👍🏻👍🏻a good reason why a torque plate should be used when boring/honing blocks.
To me the sound actually sounded like a slack chain , they commonly seem to make the most noise around 2.5-3.5k revs if a bit slack. And a new chain is way more likely to stretch on bed in in comparison to re using an old chain.
I really miss you man!! I hope this is a case of "whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" and not anything else!! I had a lot more to say but I'm already guilty of commenting far too much. All the best blessings to you Andrew! Especially after this!!
Thanks so much man. I really can’t believe all this has happened.
Yeah some dyno time on any of your cars would be great to see Andrew, also big effort for keeping up the videos and your overall attitude despite being in a bit of a pinch lately. Thanks for the content, take care of yourself mate.
Thanks man, appreciate the support everyone on here has given me, its wild!
Depending on how your kingtec build goes, I think that's the route I'll be going for my car... we'll see how the stock block goes for now
Cool to see the price break down. Since we talked about 19T's being laggy, I've put a lot of thought into the future of my car. Its not getting torn down right away as I have the DD Outback thats going to get a WRX swap, but I'm seriously considering going with forged rods, pistons, closed deck inserts, and maybe even some head work along with a change in turbos. Probably wont be until next year some time though. if I can pull it off. Lots of irons in the fire and what not. Im definitely going to be looking forward to seeing a head to head between two engines with forged parts and hopefully you find the culprit causing your mystery noise. I'm interested to hear what that is.
Yeah, well i will definitely keep exploring. This is the first motor i have owned with 4032 pistons and it may well be normal. im just not sure.
if you got money to spend and want a bulletproof n54. contact Ghassan Automotive. goodluck 🙏🏽
We miss you Zero to 60, hope everything goes in the clear!
Hey man, i still dont have my gear back, hopefully i will be able to update everyone soon.
I love your positive attitude, dude.
Thanks man!
Miss ya mate.. hope everything falls in place soon.. much love from dubai
When I spun a bearing in my stock n54 I never heard it until I drove into the city and the sound was bouncing off the building walls. I put the window down listened for a few mins of driving realized what it was. Never had one warning light, then drove it home 25 miles. I found one #3 spun rod bearing super deformed and stuck to the journal, despite all that some how there was no damage to crank I polished it cleaned all the rods new king bearings ARP bolts and its been fine for 10kmiles
If you think the knock could be related to something on the accessory belt drive or an idler or tensioner. Simple test, take the belt off and see if the noise goes away. Also, I don't remember if you mentioned it or even did it but any thoughts on copper spray on the head gasket? I have done this on quite a few different MLS style, and traditional head gaskets that have sealing problems in high PSI applications with good results. It does typically move the 'fuse' in the motor to something more expensive but it generally keeps the head gasket sealed.
Hey man, unfortunately this knock is so quiet you can't hear it in neutral, only when there is a bit of load on the motor, then when boost comes in you can't hear it. I just hear it on the transbrake.... i think. I did look in to copper spray on the gasket but couldnt get and definitive info. It looks like the elring gaskets do have a coating on the entire gasket, but its these elrings that seem to fail........ or is the failure due to insufficient clamping force on the gasket. There are so many issues with engine rebuilds. But not a lot of people talk about when they make a mistake.
I want to share something I think is important for many N54 and N55 (Or anyone using this part) owners. There is a BMP (Black Market Performance) 90 degree fitting that goes onto the Walbro upgrade pumps to fit it to the main fuel line from the LPFP. If you have been trying to find out why your low pressure fuel runs lower than the regular ish 72 PSI at idle etc and runs around 50 or 60 etc. Check that fitting. It may not be sealing like it needs for that purpose. It may just need tightening or it may not even seal like it should at all. I just wanted to share that with you all and thank you also for all the help and learning I have gotten from Zero to 60 and the Members etc. Thank you!
Couple of things. If it was piston slap or rod knock, knock sensors would pick that up unless knock sensors have been disabled by the tune. I'm guessing the knock happens even when the car is parked and in neutral? If so, that eliminates the drivetrain, up until the flex plate. If knock sensors are still enabled in the tune, and they show nothing, it's got be either at the front or the back of the motor.
If I was you, the quickest (and probably dodgiest test), would be to take the accessory drive belt off the front. Noise continues? It's either timing chain tensioner issue or at the back of the motor - flex plate is still an option. From my experience, flex plate/flywheel rattles tend to sound lounder and more coming from closer to the back doors, whereas timing chain rattles are closer to the radiatior.
Just a couple of thoughts and some simple things to check. Might pay to talk to Ken and make sure knock sensors are still enabled and logging correctly though.
Knock sensors are still enabled and not even desensitized at this point. The motor is pretty clean correction wise in the logs. A couple of things to note, its so quiet, you can't hear it once it starts making boost, you can't hear it with the ac on, you can't hear it when the car is stationary. I think i can hear it on the transbrake, but not really sure because turbos start boosting. I never noticed it until about a month ago. But that was one of the first drives with the miltek exhaust. This could just be normal aftermarket piston noise, or poor tolerance, or the converter.... i really need to check the converter bolts are still tight.
Check your AC pulley. Had a sound that sounded almost exactly like rod knock and it ended up being my AC pulley. They are known for catastrophically exploding. (Which mine inevitably did very shortly after)
Additionally, in regards to the arp head studs, you can get a DIY timesert kit to do the timeserts yourself and it comes with everything you need to drill and tap the block.
Hopefully this helps!
Let me know if you want any more info.
Ryan.
Hey man, will double check the pulley, it felt ok last time i checked it, however that was when i was diagnosing the power steering knock. It could well be the pulley. Especially considering i can't hear this knock when the a/c is on. Those timesert kits are $2000aud here :S
Really missing your uploads :( Hope you can find your way out of this spot of trouble, this channel has been amazing to learn from.
Im sorry man, it will be 28 days since i got raided this Friday. I will see what happens by that date.
Goals for next year iron out the kinks with the single turbo car lsd,shafts built motor and go to cootamundra drag battles !
Craving some zero to 60 action, hope everything is working out!
Definitely not working out. Talk about a nightmare. But video dropping shortly.
Wow mate this is crazy. I just read over the recent comments. Good luck mate I hope it all works out soon.
Thanks man, i really can't believe what they are doing to me.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I honestly think you not going to end up being the only one. Don’t let get to you. You can come back from it stronger
I’ve seen coils that have come unseated make a knock. Make sure those are properly seated.
Hey there Andrew, hope you’re keeping well. It seems so long since you last cast your pearls of wisdom over us. I hope things are aligning so you can bring us more of your goodness real soon. Go Team N54
Hey man thanks for checking in. Things have definitely not gone the way I wanted. I was 90% there with a new setup organised. And unfortunately, after a unexpected event I have been with out my main laptop and phone for a month now it has put my life on hold. I can’t talk about it in detail. But it’s pretty much the same as the link below.
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@@ZeroTo60Tube bloody hell, I was wondering if this was the issue, but hoping not. I guess there's gps info too as well as footage, damn. Stay strong Andrew, I know it's no consolation but there's a ton of us that are rooting for ya man.
@@SikaSeeker thanks man, i really appreciate everyones support and I feel bad for the lack of content. I will be back as soon as i can. If i dont get my editing laptop back soon, i will sort something else out, so i can start making vids again.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Maaaate, while we miss your vids, making content for us is the least of your worries man. Don't feel bad at all, we all know shit can happen, it just seems to be part of life. Really hoping they don't tear you a new one.
N54gasm is using a vac motorsports copper ring head gasket for his build maybe that would work its suppose to work fine without doing anything to the head or block
Petty sure they are the Athena gaskets tbh
so I've done new Poston rings and bearings .pretty much a refresh .Ever since then I've been hearing a knock like a piston slap .tried all different grades of oil with no luck .No metal shavings in filter .1000km later no difference in noise and still there .All that was done was a really good hone pistons were In Excellent condition .So interested to see what you find .Cheers Taz
hmmmm, what rpm range/load can you hear your knock?
@@ZeroTo60Tube its only at low rpm .I'd say between 1k and 2k .Definitely no noise under load .More noticeable when first started up cold.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I've read somewhere that bigend bearings should be different colors /sizes etc .But my bearings I got had none of that .I used acl race bearings .
About to get a motor from ghassanautomotive. $3,500 for a fresh oem power motor with 2 years warranty. For $4,800 it's built for 700whp. No headaches. Was about to build it myself but it's not worth the stress to me.
especially if it goes away when its a bit warmer and everything expands
The Index 12s ticking alone make me think my car is knocking at least once a week😃
Just read the comments. Praying for you, man. I mean it.
Ooo and the excitement builds again! When i listen to the engine I Think I'm hearing what I would describe as a "Clacking" sound. But maybe that's just me. You're sounding much better I'm glad to hear! These cars are trying aren't they? Mind you that keeps the content coming said the masochistic N54 lover. LOL. I've got a noisy cricket in my engine bay but I'm positive it's an injector. Other noises abound. I also installed my Walbro (China) LPFP and immediately the codes came fast and furious (Hey maybe there's movie in there somewhere lol) with my Protool testing telling me my Low pressure Fuel Sensor is needing replacing so I'm doing that today and we'll see. I'm in the middle of starting my own YT channel (Slowly) which will be featuring BMW's, cars in general and the making and playing of music. Not sure on the name yet but that's the funnest part. I hope you block is not hooped Andrew! Wait...Lose torque converter bolts?? Oops gotta go and check something on my car!!!
trying is an understatement! But when they work they are so rewarding. Let me know if your LPFP sensor has died, pretty rare thing, but it does happen.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Well I put the new sensor in and....Nope. Not a change at all. I've tried to test on the EKPM3 unit with the "Protool" app and I did the vin coding and voltage fix for it which is what would be needed if I was putting a new one on but it changed nothing. I've searched and searched for answers and I'm going crazy. I've had the LPFP out four times trying different things hoping it was a kinked line or a leak etc. But nope. The pump runs fine and I tested it with protool as well and it seems to run like it should but now all I get is 9 psi LFP. which of course makes the HFP very low as well around 600 to 700 psi. I bought a new EKPM3 unit (Two weeks wait because I live in Chinada and I can't pay $400 from BMW for one instead paid $80 shipped) and I guess I'm going to be the fool again and throw parts at it until I'm borrowing money for my BMW addiction. The only other things it could be is the HPFP or the regulator. Of course it will turn out to be the very pump I installed in the first place. I wish I had someone to help with diagnosis but I just haven't got the connections.
@@friguy4444 what is the actual fault code?
@@ZeroTo60Tube Well I had written a comment telling you of the codes etc. But I found the problem and it's similar to the problem you had in the HPFP install didn't go the way I expected (or something like that) episode you did. As well as the one after which must have been hard to admit LOL. Mine was and is just as embarrassing. I didn't tighten the two nuts that connect the fuel line from the actual pump to the quick connect 90 degree bend I used for the conversion. SO DUMB! LOL. Well it's not the first time and probably won't be the last. Now back to the other troubles I'm having with my addiction. Thank you for your kindness Andrew. I know these things are not something you have time or need in your world right now or at all. But I am grateful for the advice and take it to heart! ...... Another day another UP DATE. So Sorry for all the comments. I'm just so disgusted with myself and doing a small amount of laughing as well. So Car died from the same reason as it does if you're thinking you'll replace the cheap line with good it should be fine for a day.....Nope. Chinese Fuel line that is junk. (Just like Andrew in an old video I got stuck out in traffic) So I changed it out but then car still not starting so after a day if confusion I realized I put the fuse I'd checked the day before back in the wrong spot. Grrr. So sad when you are the one that's at fault for so many dumb reasons. LOL.
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I'd love to see it on the dyno.
It sounds like a toruqe converter issue to me. I've worked on tons of these. It sounds to metalicy to be piston slap, Id try and losen the TC bolts and retighen in the same pattern that you would do on a 6 bolt wheel and see what happens.
So my build was max speeding rods BMW head bolts and gaskets MAHLE powerpack pistons with its rings and here is the crazy shit that some would not do but i did it , i fitted all my original main and big end bearings back in plasti gauged them and they were 0.025 and i closed up and fitted new crank bolt with its grip discs and its been good for 12k now
Thats awesome to hear!!
Big end knock usually show itself on piston deceleration especially in neutral. It's quiet while accelerating because it's has the force of combustion taking up the slack between the bearings but as soon as combustion stops and the rods start to have gravity acting on them especially in the midrange.....that's when get the movement up and down between the bearings and then you get the knock.
Yeah i think its either piston slap due to poor telerance or something coverter related.
@@ZeroTo60Tube piston slap is a fault in piston to wall clearance machining. That doesn't show up later on.
@@jamesparker3822 correct.
darton wet sleeved n54 block, $2250, custom 11.5:1 pistons setup for alcohol, $1600, wiseco boostline rods - $1400, cnc ported n53 head with inconel /titanium valves, ferrea hardware - $3500, custom reground cat race cams - $1800 (after re grind) custom bearings, machine work etc - $1500. $12,050 is what im into my fully built methanol race engine. ive got about 14,000 into the pure 8hp75, $5200 for 8.8 rear end. $31,700. im going to stop adding up how much my car has costed to get this far right there because my significant other might see this beat me up in my sleep.
I love it man! You take risks the majority of BMW owners will frown upon. No reason a rod and piston motor won't hold together as long as you took the time to match ring gap to power level, and have good rod bearing clearance. I bet you are hearing piston slap, annoying but no big deal. Good luck in your legal battles man, Australia has gone way off the rails, and seems America isn't far behind.
Really appreciate that man! Thank you!
On my N54 that I built…I used JE pistons and Molnar rods. Couldn’t be happier. I sent the pistons and bearings off for ceramic coatings before install.
I’ve heard and experienced first hand at high rpm knock sensors sensitivity setting off misfire code. MHD has a setting to help this.
How much power are you making ?
Just want to add. Don’t be afraid of the mains. After spinning the crank bolt off the last engine I always pull the crank. Pin it at the machine shop. And replace bearings with ceramic coated.
No idea on power really. I’ve had several different configurations on this core engine now. It’s currently pretty mild with only spring pressure due to sorting out tuning and fuel issues. I wish MHD would show more love for the single turbo guys.
We have almost 8000 miles on it now. I can tell you at 25 psi it would “easily blow the dunlops off”
@@davidnorton695 going with that same setup for rods and pistons
I hope you're doing alright mate, really miss your awesome N54 videos.
Thanks man, terrible times at the moment. We will get through it.
Wow, that's not a lot of money spent, to get this to transform into a missile! Dutch regards, Nico.
Usually piston slap is louder when cold. No idea
Great to get an update on this car! Put the cover back on to hide the injector noise
100% agree. It's a shame they don't make upgraded engine covers that block out more of the ticking, I'm not into engine bay bling but I'd pay good money for that.
Everyone in america seems to use raceware studs for aluminum bmw turbo motors ^ with no inserts. (like my m54b30 turbo motor) something about the thread pitch ? I know its the go to in e46 land specify for aluminum blocks.
You mentioned the pistons from Russia and I thought I should chime in with a useless fact... Did you know that the original regamaster wheels where made in an ex Soviet tank factory in Russia haha pretty cool I think
You wont believe it, but i didnt know that
Wow.
SOS Andrew, come back , we miss you.
SOS is an understatement. I am healthy and well, but got a bit of an unexpected issue with my editing and filming gear. I dont currently have any of it.Will update publically when i can. Just another nightmare to add to the 2022 list.
i know this is old, but it sounds a lot like a rod knock, where tolerances checked with plastigage and a bore gauge for the rod journals and make sure they aren't out of round?
Is it worth slipping the belt off and manually spinning the AC compressor (with your hand or something) to eliminate?
The ac comp is definitely noisey. However this knock you can't hear at idle. It is very quiet.
I am Aussie living in Thailand ..buying BMW parts here you need to take out a bank loan ..now I get all my parts for my E46 2002 323i from either Lithuania,Poland or BMW Latvi just finished doing the BE bearings KING STD $40usd and rod bolts $45usd
Most likely the injectors n54s are notorious for ticking or loud injectors my stock motor sounds the same
Any updates on this car? I was expecting this one to break records 😮
Forged pistons are more noisy by nature right?
Could it be the timing but I doubt it. Only because I don’t know much, other then that, do you think the injectors might have some problems with the seals or couplers?
Nahhhh injectors are sweet or she’d misfire
@@ZeroTo60Tube then I am no mechanic. But do you think the timing or the cams are off. But it would suck if it is the pistons hitting the block. I remember seeing that with an RB or 2JZ video where people blew their blocks because one of the pistons went too high. I can’t recall where I saw that video but that’s usually how it goes but I don’t know if it’s because of timing or the rotation of the crank.
I think you might be right about that part where you said about the piston then.
Hopefully the transmission bolts are loose instead of all of that.
Did u upgrade the crank hub I’m planing on going single turbo would rather not spin the hub i have a built engine to Forged bottom end
No stock crank hub. Never seen a factory fitted hub slip. However if you remove the hub for any reason definitely worth replacing it with a keyed hub.
Can you give us an update on this engine build? Thanks, enjoy
I can't sorrry. I dont have access to the cars currently.
Stock power blows the Dunlops off 😂
This engine build process was a huge headache. Have you seen any false knock issues? I see lots of people needing to disable knock control or use nylon washers.
Zero knock, logs looks beautiful.
Hey Andrew, i just read you got raided, so sorry to hear, but publicizing the 100-200 times eventually you would be expecting authorities come knocking :( especially the amount of views you attract. In all seriousness tho, your videos have been so educational and entertaining, i really hope you come out of unscathed
Athena Hg leak oil but Seal compression good
Thats interesting. Wonder why it doesnt seal oil properly.
Andrew it's been 11 days! We miss you and your cool E9X's. Also what's Dave up too, (the real Dave) 😜
Hey man, in spot of bother at the moment. The I will delve in to one day.
@@ZeroTo60Tubewell I can't 'like' that. All the best dude, stay positive mate, there's always a solution to every problem.
@@SikaSeeker yes yes, if the police would give my laptop and phone back that would great......
@@ZeroTo60Tube oh that sounds 'interesting' all the best
@@ZeroTo60Tube Andrew, any light at the end of the tunnel mate?
I built my n54 last year with max speeding rods and AliExpress forged pistons.and my engine makes exactly the same noise,I changed the power and ac pump,and the noise still remains.I’ve done about 2000 miles on it now with some serious hard driving and it hasn’t got any worse,it’s a bit of a mystery.
Something else to add,it is really noticeable on tick over so I raised the rpm slightly with MHD and it does quite it down but when driving at low speeds I can still here it.
Interesting, man this could just be what 4032 pistons sound like.
I wonder if it’s temperature related
If it’s expansion of material or something
Andrew lots of people in this community are no doubt worried for you. Take care of yourself.
Hi Scott, thank you so much. I can't talk about what has happened yet. Hopefully i will get my devices back soon, this is getting rediculous. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html&t
@@ZeroTo60Tube oh crap!!!
Two ways to find out, tear it down or send it... :D
Hey just wondering on what you would get for a mid tier build, not a complete budget china build, but not a full send build. I've got a semi-stock n54 here in sydney, i dont mind chinese turbos followed by the right vrsf parts for example, but whats your recommendation for a 'reliable' medium budget build, maybe aiming for 500whp ?
Stock engine wont even break a sweat at 500whp. I ran 600whp on my 17t car for 2 years. On an aussie dyno its that 650-675whp range where the stock pistons and rods are gonna be an issue. But you need a turbo pushing serious air to hit that. China twins wont do it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube So just average FBO + 17T and MHD is all thats needed ?
@@prevladati you will need e85, you will need port injection, you will need a custom tune. But stock motor, full bolt on 17t turbos will do 500whp easy/semi reliably
@@ZeroTo60Tube Legend ! Love the vids, thanks for the tips. Hope to meet you if you're ever in Sydney/Sydney motorsport park !
What's happening. I'm missing you. 🤞👨🔧🤷♀️🤷♀️👊👍
Hey man, thanks for checking in. I am healthy and well, but got a bit of an unexpected issue with my editing and filming gear. I dont currently have any of it.Will update publically when i can. Just another nightmare to add to the 2022 list.
Andrew, more dramaqueen then you want to be, heh? Will the Athena Headgasket be a cutring one? as actually I'd like to see that! if so the go in depth on about correct boresize of the Athena and the piston and what that means in case of overbore!
Ohhhhh it could be normal, i just dont know. These cheap pistons are are 4032, which were more prone to noise than the newer 2618 that most of the brand name pistons are made of these days. And yes, its the cutring one, you dont need the groves cut in the block and head, but that style.
@@ZeroTo60Tube what about a chapter of head and engine Block planing? I recently read that the right amount of surface friction/rougjness on both components is really essential for a new gasket(but I guess especially the not cutting gaskets are more prone) to seal for a long time and that most people only do the head when swapping the gasket and that's a reason why often gaskets fail after a short period
@@ZeroTo60Tube 2618s expand 15% more under heat. Nothing wrong with 4032. 4032 is actually better in every way apart from tensile strength. You can run them tighter in terms of cyl to wall clearance and they also have better wear qualities.
@@ZeroTo60Tube and 4032 is lighter
@@maxgr7723 hmmmm this is something i have never done properly. I just clean them with a blade. Which probabaly very likely why the e92 failed recently
Hey Andrew any updates on the future for zero to 60?Hope you're doing well bud. I'm bitting nails over here.
Hey man, i missed this. Are you still in the G chat? Full updates in there. I can't talk about it publically at the moment.
@@ZeroTo60Tube no problem I see, could you add me again please? Its still on telegram right
@@weylinrenison7955 you need the link from the member section.
Thank You for video.. Im not sure if you did this video in response to my email. Either Thank You again Sincerely.
3 questions:
Did you replace Lifters and Rockers for CAM in budget Maxspeed Rods and Amp44 Pistons
Did you replace any of the timing pieces , Sprockets , Timing Chain, Oil Pump Drain , Oil Pump Bolts .
I. getting a figure of around 7500.00 to rebuild and That's 500.00 less than what I paid for car?
Have you ever heard of WPC treated Rod Bearings or King Bearings ? worried about the slightest bit of tolerance for rod beatings / Rods.
That's Again , Good Video and Thanks for being Honest saying
"This is not how you properly build an engine"
Dsteele41
"Did you replace any of the timing pieces , Sprockets , Timing Chain, Oil Pump Drain , Oil Pump Bolts ." I didnt but you probabaly should.
"I. getting a figure of around 7500.00 to rebuild and That's 500.00 less than what I paid for car?" That is the bare minimum i would expect a shop to build one. In Australia you could doublt that figure, to do it properly.
"Have you ever heard of WPC treated Rod Bearings or King Bearings ?" Heard of both but never looked in to either. The machine shop will check tolerances so dont sweat it too much.
No worries at all. If you have any other questions, just drop them in a comment. I dont answer dms anymore.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Me and buddy are Assembling and installing ; after Head is Overhauled and Block Bored/Honed
Speaking of ....Im going 84.5mm AMP44 pistons , did you do 84.00 or 84.50mm ( Sorry if in video)
I ask because you mentioned possible Piston Knock because of Cylinder Bore vs Piston/ Ring Clearance.
I'm sure others will have similar questions so I'll ask them All
Cheers :)
How many times are you going the budget before ARP + timeserts is cheaper?
Knock sounds like valve or piston slap.
You can do about 10 motors with the budget upgrade bolts for the cost of an arp and timesert setup here.
@@ZeroTo60Tube a Wuerth timesertkit is 350$ here in Norway. i just have some parts i dont want to "save" money on, or have to do the job 10 times before its right.
@@ealoken totally fair enough. I found a forum post on head bolts vs arp from years ago, which is why i went this way back in april. however torque test channel put them to the test recently as well. ua-cam.com/video/VlfVt1wqr40/v-deo.html
More than likely piston slap, they tend to run forge pistons a little loser as some of them expand more than standard with heat. Does it go away when the engine is up to temp.
It’s quieter but still there. There is more to it as well. These cheap pistons are not made of the same material the newer brand name pistons are. These are more prone to slap
@@ZeroTo60Tube I’ve had the same issue with JE pistons, I’m just sending it with, regular oil changes and I’ll probably pull it down after a few thousand miles and just have a look for wear. I went with arp head studs so thankfully I can reuse them will be a new gasket and what ever else I find when I’m in it again.
I try to look at the positives if the pistons are a few tho loss the chances of them making contact with the bore when your really leaning on it and pumping heat into the engine, is going to be less.
@@Stephenc4877 Yeah, very good point, if it is a tolerance issue, should be better when everything is being pushed so hard its at metling point hehe.
Woo hooo! First like
Been a while since an update. Hope all is well for you.
It’s not. Just more to add the saga of 2022. I can’t talk about it publically, but I still don’t have any of my stuff back. Been a month now. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html
Injectors?
Have you found anything out about the knock?
No unfortunately havent had a chance to look in to it yet
@@ZeroTo60Tube for sure, we’ll I hope all is well with you man!
Hey man. Where are you ??? For the last 3 weeks no videos, we are worried, hope everything is going well with you 🙏
Hey man, thanks for checking in, im not in a good place at the moment and i can't talk about it right now. But to give you some insight. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html
@@ZeroTo60Tube oh 💩! Hope it all works out!
@@ZeroTo60Tube OMG man, good luck, hope it will be sorted out soon and you will be back uploading videos in no time
Can you log the knock sensors
The motor has the cleanest logs i have ever seen on a N54 with standard knock sensitivity anyway.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Fair, will be interesting to find the cause. Also great vid and content 👌
Hi Andrew hope everything is ok just with there being no videos being up loaded
Physically fine, in a spot of bother tho. I can't talk about it at the moment. However been watching a NZ channel lately. Gives you an idea of why i havent been able to make a video for 2 weeks. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html
Hope you get sorted mate
@@z3mjay thanks man, seems crazy, i will update when i can
@@ZeroTo60Tube Oh Dear ! I hope you get the situation sorted soonest ?! I understand you cannot tell more about it but you have your fans quite worried. Wishing you much strength and wisdom to get on your feet again and restart your broadcasts 🙏💪🏼👍👍
Hopefully a pulley or tensioner..
Fingers crossed
I think it's the Russian pistons. What alloy are they, 2618 or 4032?
They are 4032, all the cheap options are. This could be the issue and its fine. Im just not sure.
Bro the price of parts over there 😮
Cant find anything, but what is the update on this? still ticking?
Unfortunately this is a bit of an update on the cars. www.spoolstreet.com/threads/zero-to-60-youtube-channel-got-raided-by-the-australian-police.8531/
@@ZeroTo60Tube Woah that is insane. I really do miss your N54 content, just recently purchased my 335i and have probably watched all your videos like 4x. Good luck and know that I am rooting for you!
piston slap,its normal
Man could well be, and im just freaking out. These cheap pistons are are 4032, which were more prone to noise than the newer 2618 that most of the brand name pistons are made of these days.
@@ZeroTo60Tube actually 4032 expand less then 2816 thus are usually quieter then 2816 its most likely minor piston slap which is absolutely normal and nothing to worry about as long as no shavings or piston coating in your filter
@@durin23 i thought it was the other way around, since most of the brand name are 2816. So that theory is out the window.
He said "I used the wrong line"...he he he.....
If you were knocking your knock sensors would pick it up long before you heard it. That doesn’t sound like rod knock
I havent had a chance to further investigate as yet. But i was leaning toward AC compressor more so than when i filmed this.
@@ZeroTo60Tube let me know what you find out. I have also built my own motor in my garage. But I have seen a pattern with rod knock, it’s always throwing a knock sensor code before you even hear it. My friend just recently got a knock sensor code but the car sounded fine. He then proceeded to drive to Georgia from New York and by the time he arrived it was knocking horribly bad. I do think you are fine. 9/10 times by the time you hear it, you’ll have stripper glitter in your oil filter. Check your oil filter and check your codes.
Well at least its not Rod Knock Andrew - a sound I am only too familiar with. The car however car is running super well now, which is nice. That's a cheap build mate. I also used and Elring Head gasket :(
Glad yorus is still running ok! Dont worry about the elring just yet, i think they are fine up to that 700whp but past that the cylinder pressures seem to be an issue. However keep in mind i also didnt surface my head properly, i just cleaned it by hand.
Yeh I dis notice that, we skimmed head and decked the block prior to assembly fingers 🤞
What parts caused it to be expensive to remove the bedplate? From what I looked it was only an extra 50-70$ in Sweden. Maybe I could send you some parts? :)
The main bedplate bolts, cranks seals, main bearings. I priced it up with a few suppliers from europe and usa, it was killer.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Sorry to hear, you have to pay import tax/duty fees, correct? I found the entire bedplate bolt kit for 100$, crank seals for 70$ and main bearings for 300$ I believe. So total around 500$USD. That is for OEM bolts/seals and ACL bearings.
From autodoc the seals would be 35$ for Elring and not sure about the bolts, couldn't find the entire kit there but probably around 50-70$ so total of maybe 400$ max.
Let me know if you in the future would want anything shipped from Europe, would be glad to help. Since I will ship privately surely there's no tax/duty fees right?
@@Zalle335 Thank you very much. Will keep it in mind. One of my motors has a dodgey crank, so it will need to come out.
I miss the uploads are you guys ok what happened
Please come back Andrew I’ll watch you fix your sister’s fridge or something jk really miss seeing you guys
Hey man, I’m hoping it won’t be long.
you sound a little ashamed that your living with your sister, don't be sometimes we have to take a few steps back in order to move forward. Be glad that you have the opportunity to stay with someone. I've had to step back a few times and stay with my mom and my sister but hey it's life and nothing to be ashamed of just keep moving forward and you'll be ok.
Not ashamed, but frustrated. Its very difficult trying to get things done here, especially having all my stuff in so many different storage locations. It could be a lot worse, just struggling to get ahead on my to do list.
Wait...I don't remember you fitting a diesel. 🙂
Man it’s crazy what the engines sound like from the bay. Most of it is injector tick mind you.
Where have you gone.
I can’t talk about it. But it’s over a month and I still don’t have my stuff back. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html
Hi Andrew, whats happening, did you find a shop or is zero to 60 come to an end? Hope not.
Much worse. I can’t talk about it right now. But it’s nearly a month and haven’t got my phone or laptop back. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html
Gottcha, that sux man hopefully someone in the zero to 60 community is qualified & willing to help. Hope to see you back doin what we all enjoy watchin you do, building cool cars.
@@benokemp I didn’t think I would have much of an issue with the police. I expected to have my stuff back with in a few days based on what they said. I definitely do not want to cause any hated or tension toward the police with the local car community that follow me. However this is a absolute joke. They have now cost me a lot of time and a lot of money.
Where have you guys vanished to?
Dude, its been a freaking horror story. I cant talk about it publically. However pretty much that same as this guy. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html&t still dont have my laptop back. they want to take the cars now too.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Holy sh#%t dude! O_O this is absolutely terrible news, I really hope they don't take the cars, the amount of time, effort and money that has gone into those cars and the amount of knowledge we have all gained from all of it is absolutely mammoth! I hope this all comes right, Sorry this has happened, the police there sound pretty damn hard core and it sounds like they are wasting resources on the wrong things!
We aren’t the types to decline a dyno run lol
Send a oil sample to blackstone
From Australia?
Why not? It's tiny. Cost little. They buy lots of parts from North America. They ship merchandise here as well.
Honestly i am not a fan of the oil analysis crew. I have had them done on few motors and its been a waste of time. However would be a different story if its very expensive motor doing lots of work. Something like a truck engine, that makes sense if you do it every oil change and keep a record of changes.
What's happened to Zero to 60. Hope all is well
All is not well, as if 2022 couldnt get anyworse. I can't talk about it right now. But this paints the picture pretty well. ua-cam.com/video/PxRI-k-aT78/v-deo.html&t
Oh that sucks. Hope it all works out
@@tonka5134 thanks man
Lol maybe I’m old or I’m gonna have to turn my tv up I just hear N54 noises.
Man its such a quiet knock, it could likely be normal 4032 piston slap
kind of sounds like an exhaust leak
Ossshhhhh I have had a few issues with turbos leaking. Wonder if it is. But it’s sounds more metalically than exhaust leak.
@@ZeroTo60Tube send out an oil sample to an oil analysis company, that will tell you if there are any abnormal amounts of certain metals
Would be great content… a lot of your viewers want more dyno days…I’ve always known they were called stethoscopes, but the word wouldn’t come to my mind, and I shall call them knockphones from this day forth
I made a comment earlier, not sure if you deleted it, or it never posted… mechanic’s stethoscope, helps you identify knocking noises, if you do it on the dyno, you can create load situations. My other comment sounds like Im taking to myself without the first comment.
Nvm, video is playing now...