Hey folks! Check out the complete list of upgrade suggestions below &, if you are so inclined, let me know in the comments if you agree or disagree with suggestions, if there are any cards you think I missed that should be in this deck, and what other commanders from this set you want to see me tackle in the future! Your comments are always appreciated! ------------------------------ Enchantments | Core ------------------------------ Burnished Hart >>> Inquisitive Glimmer Phenomenon Investigators >>> Greed Nightmare Shepherd >>> Overlord of the Floodpits Prognostic Sphinx >>> Shadow of the Second Sun Utter End >>> Imprisoned in the Moon Return to Dust >>> Grasp of Fate Entreat the Angels >>> Elspeth Conquers Death Dream Eater >>> Cacophony Unleashed ------------------------------ Enchantments | High CMC ------------------------------ Arvinox, the Mind Flail >>> Mind's Dilation Metamorphosis Fanatic >>> Debtors' Knell Brainstone >>> Curse of Unbinding Life Insurance >>> Mirror Room // Fractured Realm ------------------------------ Enchantments | Enchantments Matter ------------------------------ Orzhov Basilica >>> Estrid's Invocation Commander's Sphere >>> Copy Enchantment Aminatou's Augury >>> Court of Vantress Auramancer >>> Heliod, the Radiant Dawn Spirit-Sister's Call >>> Starfield of Nyx ------------------------------ Enchantments Matter ------------------------------ Time Wipe >>> Ghostly Dancers Thirst for Meaning >>> Archon of Sun's Grace Read the Bones >>> Entity Tracker Solemn Simulacrum >>> Invasion of Theros ------------------------------ Topdeck ------------------------------ Swamp >>> Aminatou, the Fateshifter ------------------------------ Core | Ramp ------------------------------ Otherworldly Gaze >>> Talisman of Progress Verge Rangers >>> Talisman of Dominance ------------------------------ Lands ------------------------------ Dimir Aqueduct >>> Sunken Hollow Azorius Chancery >>> Prairie Stream Thriving Heath >>> Skycloud Expanse Thriving Isle >>> Exotic Orchard Thriving Moor >>> Glacial Fortress Ash Barrens >>> Contaminated Landscape ------------------------------ Honerable Mention ------------------------------ Aminatou, the Fateshifter >>> Zur, Eternal ------------------------------ Additional Upgrades ------------------------------ Cacophony Unleashed >>> Greater Auramancy Inkshield >>> Hallowed Haunting Curse of Unbinding >>> Omniscience Telling Time >>> Enlightened Tutor Diabolic Vision >>> Scroll Rack Invasion of Theros >>> Sensei's Divining Top
Idk if you will see this, but I was wondering what would be the essentials to add right out the box? I've noticed that some prices of the cards have risen in price since this video and I don't have too much money to spend. I will eventually get everything because I really like what you've listed. Also, I hope all is well and you made it to safer grounds!
@@ChrisSmith-bu7neI personally spent around 50 in singles based off this video but, for one inquisitive glimmer fs as its very synergistic and the mana base other than that it’s personal preference, what helped me was I found the base precon on architect than tooo cards out and put them into the sideboard and added all the recommendations or even just the ones you think would be fun
I find that Amphibian downpour, Utter end and eaten by piranhas are great replacements for all the usual single-target white instant removal. With cost reductions on emchantment, it doesn't even cost more mana.
I am certainly a fan of cards that can turn commanders into paperweights, so I agree that Amphibian Downpour and Eaten by Piranhas would make great additions to do just that while staying on theme, for as little as 1 mana a pop. Great suggestions!
Nice one; interesting design idea made better by some great upgrades. Had already earmarked Scroll Rack and the Top for deck additions. I actually like Penance here as well. Yes, there is debt in the future that the Mrs may or may not know about :)
Great video as always, love the way you explain why the card was removed and what the new one brings to the table so thoroughly but concisely. What is your opinion on Mystic Speculation as a repeatable source of scry 3?
Not about this precon upgrade in particular but I was curious about the dihada precon upgrade. What cards would you cut for the side grade cards in that video? You never did mention that
i pretty much added these cards for my upgrade except i added all the "fear of"s that came out in duskmourn because they are cool and enchantments as well as all 3 overlords because spooky and added 7 rooms for room win con as well because duskmourn and enchantments and spooky rooms. basically aminatou is the perfect home for these silly duskmourn cards with room for upgrades as well i think shes so fun. Oh lastly i added more than couple ways to steal cards because that feels pretty horrific too.
Wait, the owl enchantment creature is good? It looked like it was a suggested cut from a coupler other articles I've read. I got lucky and got a Hallowed Haunting from my prerelease, but another suggestion I got Propaganda as another attack prevention piece. Guess I have Alela in over Ghostly just cause I can't find a copy yet. Sun's Grace was great in Theros so should be easy enough to add in and go absurdly wide. Guess I should board Mirrormade back in though.
Great video🎉 i said it before but i would really like to see a marina build from you. I think you would make a great deck 😊 hopefully in the future polls you can do it but no worries if you dont boss!
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
Hey, this might sound like an odd request,but do you think you could just put up the necrobloom decklist on archideck. I know you never got to the video,but I'd like to see your take on it.
I would.... if I had one.... Sadly I did not have the time to actually build one, so I'm afraid I have nothing to post. Maybe I can tackle this at a later date (since there will be no more precons until next year) but we'll have to see what happens.
@@GrazzetMTG That would be awesome. I value your opinion as some of the decks I have are from your videos, and I have been struggling building Necrobloom, so seeing how you would build it would be nice to reference.
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
I really like the clone/copy package in the deck! Tameshi, Reality Architect would be a great addition to help make use of our graveyard. I voted for The Master of Keys because I would love to see a deck that can make good use of easy to remove but very annoying Enchantments such as Aether Storm, Volrath's Dungeon, and Lethal Vapers!
Yeah, I can see Tameshi, Reality Architect being a good late game enchantment reanimation piece when we don't need the land drops anymore / don't have any lands in hand to make our land drops - good suggestion! And also thanks for voting - The Master of Keys is currently in the top spot so you may just see the build featuring him if he can hold onto his position!
In the decklist on Archidekt u have 12 draw spells instead of 11. I think you added Bottomless Pool/Locker Room was this a mistake? If not which card did u swap?
I tried Starfield of Nix and was very disappointed. On paper it works well, but in practice you lose everything on any board whipe. I ended up cutting it because it was doing me more harm than good, unfortunately.
You not wrong, it can make certainly make us more vulnerable once we hit 5+ enchantments by animating all our enchanments but, on the other hand, it also turn all our high cmc enchantments into beatsticks that can (usually) swing on on the turn that Starfield of Nyx hits the board - enabling us to knock out an opponent or 2 before they have a chance to react. That said, it looks like it has spiked in price again to around $20 now since this mid this week when I got my price of it here, so we may not have a choice but to look for a substitute for it at this point....
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
What happens when you have Archon of Sun's Grace or Ghostly Dancers on the board and you play the room Secret Arcade? Do you just instantly win the game?
Unless you have a way to stop the loop, I'm pretty sure you force the game into a draw. There's no "may" on either Archon or Dancers so you're forced to keep making the tokens in a never ending loop. 104.4b If a game that's not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a "loop" of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw.
Also, I got the infinite loop with ondu spirit dancer (which you can break), but since none of them have haste, I got boardwiped and killed before it was my turn again. So just hitting an infinite isn't an insta win
I got it on turn 5, followed by a miracled secret arcade and infinite ondu. Then I miracled an archetype of imagination, and made as many copies of it. But then the opponent before me cheated out an one-sided boardwipe and proceeded to kill me.
I upgraded my deck similarly to this and I am finding it to be such a weak deck. It struggles to hang with other recent non-upgraded precons. It can pop off on very rare occasions, but it's just a really weak, lame deck so far in my experience. I'm probably going to end up stripping it down and taking the best cards out for other decks. I think the designer of this one missed the mark.
In my games, upgraded and not, I found it pretty strong, but with a really slow start and not really being able to beat out with combat damage. In my playgroup I always got targeted with multiple removals on a single turn whenever I got big enough...
Hey folks! Check out the complete list of upgrade suggestions below &, if you are so inclined, let me know in the comments if you agree or disagree with suggestions, if there are any cards you think I missed that should be in this deck, and what other commanders from this set you want to see me tackle in the future! Your comments are always appreciated!
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Enchantments | Core
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Burnished Hart >>> Inquisitive Glimmer
Phenomenon Investigators >>> Greed
Nightmare Shepherd >>> Overlord of the Floodpits
Prognostic Sphinx >>> Shadow of the Second Sun
Utter End >>> Imprisoned in the Moon
Return to Dust >>> Grasp of Fate
Entreat the Angels >>> Elspeth Conquers Death
Dream Eater >>> Cacophony Unleashed
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Enchantments | High CMC
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Arvinox, the Mind Flail >>> Mind's Dilation
Metamorphosis Fanatic >>> Debtors' Knell
Brainstone >>> Curse of Unbinding
Life Insurance >>> Mirror Room // Fractured Realm
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Enchantments | Enchantments Matter
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Orzhov Basilica >>> Estrid's Invocation
Commander's Sphere >>> Copy Enchantment
Aminatou's Augury >>> Court of Vantress
Auramancer >>> Heliod, the Radiant Dawn
Spirit-Sister's Call >>> Starfield of Nyx
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Enchantments Matter
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Time Wipe >>> Ghostly Dancers
Thirst for Meaning >>> Archon of Sun's Grace
Read the Bones >>> Entity Tracker
Solemn Simulacrum >>> Invasion of Theros
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Topdeck
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Swamp >>> Aminatou, the Fateshifter
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Core | Ramp
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Otherworldly Gaze >>> Talisman of Progress
Verge Rangers >>> Talisman of Dominance
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Lands
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Dimir Aqueduct >>> Sunken Hollow
Azorius Chancery >>> Prairie Stream
Thriving Heath >>> Skycloud Expanse
Thriving Isle >>> Exotic Orchard
Thriving Moor >>> Glacial Fortress
Ash Barrens >>> Contaminated Landscape
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Honerable Mention
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Aminatou, the Fateshifter >>> Zur, Eternal
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Additional Upgrades
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Cacophony Unleashed >>> Greater Auramancy
Inkshield >>> Hallowed Haunting
Curse of Unbinding >>> Omniscience
Telling Time >>> Enlightened Tutor
Diabolic Vision >>> Scroll Rack
Invasion of Theros >>> Sensei's Divining Top
Idk if you will see this, but I was wondering what would be the essentials to add right out the box? I've noticed that some prices of the cards have risen in price since this video and I don't have too much money to spend. I will eventually get everything because I really like what you've listed. Also, I hope all is well and you made it to safer grounds!
@@ChrisSmith-bu7neI personally spent around 50 in singles based off this video but, for one inquisitive glimmer fs as its very synergistic and the mana base other than that it’s personal preference, what helped me was I found the base precon on architect than tooo cards out and put them into the sideboard and added all the recommendations or even just the ones you think would be fun
Man, where are you, i kinda miss your videos and also am still waiting for a video on winter and vagavoth :V
Where are you ??
She was my first commander precon when I got started playing and I love both versions of Aminatou so much! Great video yet again.
Glad you enjoyed!
I find that Amphibian downpour, Utter end and eaten by piranhas are great replacements for all the usual single-target white instant removal. With cost reductions on emchantment, it doesn't even cost more mana.
I am certainly a fan of cards that can turn commanders into paperweights, so I agree that Amphibian Downpour and Eaten by Piranhas would make great additions to do just that while staying on theme, for as little as 1 mana a pop. Great suggestions!
This and the Valgavoth are the ones I'm most interested in seeing, so I can't wait to watch this!
Hope you enjoy this one and Valgavoth is up next - so stay tuned for that one!
@@GrazzetMTG Any chance you're dropping the valgavoth video? Found your decklist on archidekt but not sure if it's completed :)
Thank you for this! Always appreciate your upgrades :)
Glad you like them!
@grazzet you all good bro? Love your videos and not seen you post in a while
Another home run!!! Keep up the great work!!
Thanks! Will do!
Sweet , great work as always @GrazzetMTG , can't wait for the Death Toll upgrades
Death Toll is going to be the last precon upgrade on the chopping block but should hopefully be out by next Sat - so stay tuned!
Always enjoy these upgrade vids
Nice one; interesting design idea made better by some great upgrades. Had already earmarked Scroll Rack and the Top for deck additions. I actually like Penance here as well. Yes, there is debt in the future that the Mrs may or may not know about :)
Been waiting for this one thanks
Hope it was worth the wait!
Thanks for another gem! Curious what your MtG background is... these rebuilds are always spot on and well thought out.
My deck sort now many thanks!
My pleasure!
Great video as always, love the way you explain why the card was removed and what the new one brings to the table so thoroughly but concisely. What is your opinion on Mystic Speculation as a repeatable source of scry 3?
I had fun making a Rendmaw deck, I'd be curious to see what you do with it.
Not about this precon upgrade in particular but I was curious about the dihada precon upgrade. What cards would you cut for the side grade cards in that video? You never did mention that
i pretty much added these cards for my upgrade except i added all the "fear of"s that came out in duskmourn because they are cool and enchantments as well as all 3 overlords because spooky and added 7 rooms for room win con as well because duskmourn and enchantments and spooky rooms. basically aminatou is the perfect home for these silly duskmourn cards with room for upgrades as well i think shes so fun. Oh lastly i added more than couple ways to steal cards because that feels pretty horrific too.
Wait, the owl enchantment creature is good? It looked like it was a suggested cut from a coupler other articles I've read. I got lucky and got a Hallowed Haunting from my prerelease, but another suggestion I got Propaganda as another attack prevention piece. Guess I have Alela in over Ghostly just cause I can't find a copy yet. Sun's Grace was great in Theros so should be easy enough to add in and go absurdly wide. Guess I should board Mirrormade back in though.
Have you ever thought about making retroactive upgrade videos, showing upgrades to older precons?
Could you make a deck for approx $65 from Arcades the Strategist?
Thank you i love your videos
Great video🎉 i said it before but i would really like to see a marina build from you. I think you would make a great deck 😊 hopefully in the future polls you can do it but no worries if you dont boss!
Rest assured - Marina Vendrell will be in the poll after the alternate commanders, as a lot of folks have been asking for a build featuring her.
@@GrazzetMTG that’s awesome, I look forward to seeing it and remember to take care of yourself! And stay hydrated 😁
Waiting for that endless punishment upgrade vid.
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
Hey, this might sound like an odd request,but do you think you could just put up the necrobloom decklist on archideck. I know you never got to the video,but I'd like to see your take on it.
I would.... if I had one.... Sadly I did not have the time to actually build one, so I'm afraid I have nothing to post. Maybe I can tackle this at a later date (since there will be no more precons until next year) but we'll have to see what happens.
@@GrazzetMTG That would be awesome. I value your opinion as some of the decks I have are from your videos, and I have been struggling building Necrobloom, so seeing how you would build it would be nice to reference.
When is the endless punishment video coming out?
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
Finally an interesting one.... so many people just jamming soulless cards in because enchantment theme says i can get away with it.
I really like the clone/copy package in the deck! Tameshi, Reality Architect would be a great addition to help make use of our graveyard.
I voted for The Master of Keys because I would love to see a deck that can make good use of easy to remove but very annoying Enchantments such as Aether Storm, Volrath's Dungeon, and Lethal Vapers!
Yeah, I can see Tameshi, Reality Architect being a good late game enchantment reanimation piece when we don't need the land drops anymore / don't have any lands in hand to make our land drops - good suggestion!
And also thanks for voting - The Master of Keys is currently in the top spot so you may just see the build featuring him if he can hold onto his position!
Some custom decks for the new Marvel cards would be very nice.^^
Hey man, what do you think about adding propaganda and ghostly prison, and which ones would it replace?
In the decklist on Archidekt u have 12 draw spells instead of 11. I think you added Bottomless Pool/Locker Room was this a mistake? If not which card did u swap?
BP/LR is already in the precon, grazzet didnt add it
@@SimplementeJA9 oh yeah you are right. I thought it was van de set because the butterfly icon looked a bit different to me.
So how do you feel about the new enduring cards in this deck? The snake (tenacity), cat (curiosity), and lamb (innocence).
I'm not him, but I did add Curiosity to the deck. It's the only one of the cycle that can go into the deck that I'd add, personally.
What do you do about protecting aminatou herself?
I tried Starfield of Nix and was very disappointed. On paper it works well, but in practice you lose everything on any board whipe. I ended up cutting it because it was doing me more harm than good, unfortunately.
You not wrong, it can make certainly make us more vulnerable once we hit 5+ enchantments by animating all our enchanments but, on the other hand, it also turn all our high cmc enchantments into beatsticks that can (usually) swing on on the turn that Starfield of Nyx hits the board - enabling us to knock out an opponent or 2 before they have a chance to react.
That said, it looks like it has spiked in price again to around $20 now since this mid this week when I got my price of it here, so we may not have a choice but to look for a substitute for it at this point....
What is your opinion of netherese puzzle ward in the deck
Haven't seen a video in a bit, but hoping you're doing okay
Omniscience was reprinted in foundations and now ~ 2$
When will you be releasing endless punishment cut rate build
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. The community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on, but he did say the last two precons are done audio wise so we’ll hopefully get them soon
Maybe Valgavoth today ? 👀👀
That was the plan.... But Hurricane Milton had other plans....
@@GrazzetMTG Oh, I’m so sorry for you… don’t forget to stay alive my bro
What happens when you have Archon of Sun's Grace or Ghostly Dancers on the board and you play the room Secret Arcade? Do you just instantly win the game?
Unless you have a way to stop the loop, I'm pretty sure you force the game into a draw. There's no "may" on either Archon or Dancers so you're forced to keep making the tokens in a never ending loop.
104.4b If a game that's not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a "loop" of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw.
Also, I got the infinite loop with ondu spirit dancer (which you can break), but since none of them have haste, I got boardwiped and killed before it was my turn again. So just hitting an infinite isn't an insta win
May I please make a request for an edh deck Urza lord high artificer eldrazi deck.
Ah turn 4 omniscient goes hard
Yeah, that can certainly be backbreaking.
I got it on turn 5, followed by a miracled secret arcade and infinite ondu. Then I miracled an archetype of imagination, and made as many copies of it. But then the opponent before me cheated out an one-sided boardwipe and proceeded to kill me.
Bro where tf are you?
His place got hit by the hurricane a couple months back. His community page on UA-cam has updates on what was going on
Master of keys! Epic
Me waiting for the Rakdos Deck vid: 😴
Please work on not being so monotone and bot like, it almost sounds like a robot speaking, its hard to listen to but otherwise a good video.
I upgraded my deck similarly to this and I am finding it to be such a weak deck. It struggles to hang with other recent non-upgraded precons. It can pop off on very rare occasions, but it's just a really weak, lame deck so far in my experience. I'm probably going to end up stripping it down and taking the best cards out for other decks. I think the designer of this one missed the mark.
In my games, upgraded and not, I found it pretty strong, but with a really slow start and not really being able to beat out with combat damage. In my playgroup I always got targeted with multiple removals on a single turn whenever I got big enough...
God I can’t get past this voice. Talk like a normal person please.