Switch Online 6 Years Later: Finally Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Nintendo Switch Online is Nintendo’s paid online service for the Switch, the successor to Nintendo Network and ‘competitor’ to Playstation network and Xbox Live. Since its announcement in early 2017, it’s been a subject of great controversy. Playing games online on Nintendo consoles had previously been free, and now we’re expected to pay for it?
To be honest, I think more people should have seen it coming. Microsoft unfortunately started the trend of consoles charging users for playing online with the original Xbox, and Sony followed in their footsteps with the launch of the PS4. It was inevitable that Nintendo would jump on eventually.
So they did
During the Nintendo switch press conference in 2017, Nintendo revealed the service to the disappointment of many. However, there was hope that this could still end up being a good thing overall. Nintendo has never been known for their amazing online services previously. Xbox and playstation both had features like messaging, party systems, voice chat, and game invitations which are now seen as pretty basic online gaming standards. Nintendo on the other hand was missing some of these, with the others being done in a clunky way or inconsistently.
For example, on the Wii U you could video call friends, but only in a specific app which can’t be open at the same time as any games. Certain games would support voice chat, but how it worked depended on what they decided for each game. So in games like smash bros and Mario kart you could talk to your friends while in the lobby, but not while actually playing for some reason. The Wii U did have Miiverse, which was pretty cool (sometimes) and allowed you to message your friends in a more convientent way than back on the Wii. The 3DS also had miiverse but you couldn’t message friends through it, and friends had to be added through randomly generated friend codes rather than your custom username. See what I mean about inconsistency?
So, while there was of course disappointment that Nintendo was charging for online now, there was definitely hope that they would finally get with the times and provide a modern robust service like the other consoles did. They also promised us the now infamous switch online app for voice chat, play appointments, and the fact that NES and SNES games would be available for subscribers to download. This was a disappointing right from the start, as it implied that virtual console would not be returning on Switch.
At the time, while I was let down that switch online was going to paid, the promise of basically anything new regarding the switch was exciting. I was so used to how it all worked on Wii U that the idea of a fresh, new, modern service was quite appealing, and I’m sure others felt the same.
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I hate it when people say certain features or items from a paid subscription is “free”. Nothing is free. You paid for it.
Yea they already get money from games that cost 60€ or more
Xbox users do this all the time, "It's free with gamepass!" no its not you bought gamepass
@@CoryJJ you are right but to be fair, gamepass is worth its price, I now spend way less money buying games and more time playing games on gamepass. Paid online service on the otherhand, sucks ass big time.
Exactly, it's like when a UA-camr tells you to subscribe because it's free but it's not because to make an account it COST TIME
@@jed4276 💀
Bro, let's all together MAKE INTERNET FREE AGAIN🙌🏼🤝👏🏼
@@LeonSKennedy7777Dunno, maybe they could ask Valve
@@LeonSKennedy7777games? In app purchases, merch, movies, toys… ???
@@LeonSKennedy7777 implying nintendo has servers
Never going to happen.
@@LeonSKennedy7777what servers? It’s peer2peer. You are paying Nintendo for your own internet
Charging extra for basic online play is scummy. Game companies should be ashamed of themselves for locking what used to be free features behind a paywall.
Bro these classic games were never free to begin with
It's basically the fault of people buying DLC for years. They've enabled them.
@@HYDRA64605Sure they are. Ever heard of emulation?
@BalboaBaggins yeah I have and it's a waste of time
This is why over the years lost the urge for online unless its apex which is free online or I just play my switch single player and if I need my retro bug tickled I have a modded wii. Why pay a switch service when my modded wii smacks on all literally 8 consoles in one sure 6 are emulators with in the wii but I careless. It all function at the end of the day and doesn't require a monthly fee to play my titles.
I think Nintendo should’ve really promoted the online play aspect a lot more. That’s honestly a huge addition to these retro games. Playing Mario Party 1-3 online without needing to set up netplay on an emulator is pretty big, for example. Yet it barely seems to be mentioned in the marketing
Yeah it's really strange. I had a blast playing Donkey Kong Country co-op online with a friend during covid
Unfortunately for nintendo setting up an emulator is incredibly easy and then you have access to the entire n64/gamecube/wii library for free with netplay that doesnt drop constantly
Wait, you can play them online together? I didn't even realise this lol!
What sucks is that Nintendo somewhat cares for the connection issues. And they avoid this pretty good by giving us rewards and dlc, kind of like a coverup for there bad connection issues.
Probably because based on my limited experience with the NES online with somebody in the same state and region of the state, like most of their online play, it's very hit-or-miss.
The Problem is that they add nice stuff, but never Basic stuff, like messaging friends or voice Chat. Even inviting friends is so Limited, not even first party games use that feature 90% of the time.
I mean, I don't mind the quirky things they try to add, but they should focus on adding the most basic things.
Also, bring Back Miiverse.
I don't know how the Pokémon games still aren't available in the Gameboy and GBA emulators. They were like, the system sellers for those consoles. Being able to transfer pokémon caught there to Pokémon Home would also be huge for most pokémon fans and make it the superior way to play those games, instead of using a third party PC emulator.
If they do that, they cannibalize the market for remakes of those games in the future.
@JD-xz1mx and also kill any interest for the terrible and lazy newer Pokémon titles
Don't ask questions. Just consume product, and then get excited for next product.
it really is SO strange that the switch doesn't have themes, to me the expansion plan would be worth it if they just add themes bc I almost spent real money on buying a 3d printed jailbreaking thingy, especially w smartphones becoming even more customizable it feels like several steps back to just have light + dark. no chat features is also insane, I have so many memories of playing around in pictochat w my friends, it seems like maybe they realized w miiverse they needed more/better mods and they didn't feel like paying for it so they just got rid of chat altogether
I agree, plus how we can use the coins to make profile pics, add themes and maybe make them a few hundred to get. Would give me something to spend with my coins since i have a decent amount for the profile pics.
The "nope" at the start is all you need to know.
But it's not true. NSO is MORE than worth it.
I think one of the biggest missed opportunities is not having other SEGA consoles. Genesis games are rereleased so frequently, that most of the ones included with Switch Online are available elsewhere.
Dreamcast and Saturn games almost NEVER get reissued in the same way. Dreamcast especially has lots of really amazing games that could benefit from being on an online service. Leaderboards for games like Crazy Taxi, online support for Phantasy Star etc.
It’s a really big missed opportunity, and given the lack of those more modern SEGA platforms anywhere besides Steam, it would give Nintendo something truly unique.
Otherwise, my only other big gripes are the lack of basic features. Why can’t I message my friends or have parties like I can on other platforms? Why can’t I gift my friends eshop games like I could on the Wii? Why is online still pretty hit or miss?
The extras are nice, but I feel they come across a little hollow without the basic framework being solid. If Nintendo actually fixed that and had party chat capabilities and online function that rivals the other platforms, I dare say that they would be the best since the extras they give you are genuinely solid.
Crazy Taxi is one of my favorite games, I still play it on my phone from time to time.
If they added the first 3 gens of Pokemon to the online service, even if they made them exclusive to the Expansion Tier, I'd say it'd be worth it
Why they haven’t done this yet is one of those strange things only a company like Nintendo would do.
@@OwenDW I mean it's not completely Nintendo's fault, as TPCi from what I understand is Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creature Inc's combined company, and that'd take a lot of work.
Also they could easily charge $10 on the switch EShop, even more for just 1 gen 1 game and people would buy it. Especially since the 3Ds EShop shut down
Gamefreak will probably remake red and blue (again) someday.
@@skycloud4802 someday, but definitely not on the same system as Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee. And even then a Remake doesn't replace the original version, some people would definitely prefer the original RBY over Firered Leaf Green. And I can agree on that for 1 intentional reason: Pokemon Stadium, and 1 unintentional reason: Glitches in RBY are awesome
@@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan If the original Yushi's island and Yoshi's island GBA can coexist, then so can GB Pokemon and FRLG. But yeah, the reason why is probably just that Pokemon is in an internal deathgrip. Like, it is the only IP that consistently bans savestates and cloud backups just so Players have no power to clone stuff without glitches. They are probably quadruple-checking that these games are locked down with special cases before they can launch.
They should add a switch essentials library, games like BOTW, splatoon 2, and Mario Odyssey.
they have no reason to, unless if people stop buying full priced games.
@@RetroCheats Absolutely correct. It's insane how people will clown on Nintendo all day because they don't put their games on sale 2 months after launch like every other publisher. Funny thing is, I've never seen anyone clowning their software sales figures...
@@DanielZeal Sony fans keep saying, Sony games aren't worth $60, yet Nintendo games are.
99% of players moved on to Splatoon 3, you’re likely not going to find a match in Splatoon 2
That's not how you run a business. Think about it. If they have all those games available at all times then nso would need to be 300$ a month to even make money. People would stop buying the games or stop paying the subscription
What this guy fails to point out is that while Microsoft started the trend, at the time it was way better than the Wii's anemic online capabilities.
Still is better,and what they had then is better than what Nintendo offers now.
Sure, but we all eventually found out they weren’t using servers and were essentially taking money for doing literally nothing. They had a better online service than the PS3 did, sure, but it wasn’t $60/year better. To this day, we’re paying Microsoft and Sony $60 a year for the same level of online play quality as we have on Steam, which is free
And your point is? Sony's was just as good on the PS3. Considering that Nintendo and Sony were extremely similar in terms of real value (not stocks or net worth) in 2006, proves that the paywall doesn't mean shit. They all just want more money.
The Mega Drive app is actually one of my most used classic game apps on the Switch because the selection of titles is just That Good. Things like MUSHA and Mega Man : The Wily Wars are otherwise only available on the SEGA Mega Drive Mini console, and the convenience of having a majority of the system's best titles in one place cannot be overstated as a big fan of SEGA.
I'm really annoyed that they removed the sonic games from it so that you have to buy origins to play those games
The Mega Drive/Genesis is so easy to emulate that it doesn't make much sense to deal with a locked down app when a zip file with a ROM copy of every title ever released only takes a small amount of storage.
@@honkhonkler7732 I mean, sure, I have the means to play every Mega Drive game I'd ever want to on my PC or on a dedicated thing like my Retroid Pocket, but I can still appreciate the option being there for people who don't know that or just don't want to do that.
@@honkhonkler7732people enjoy playing games officially
They need to add their own version of achievements-trophies, maybe call them stamps or something? Would be a great reason to replay some games like Mario odyssey etc
I'm so sad about Miiverse being discontinued because "Nintendo is for kids and some of the content uploaded there was not cool". If they had built on it, tried to work on some AI to get rid of sexual content and kept that arty way of communicating, it would've been one of my favourite social media sites ever. Now they've replaced that with Twitter and Facebook.. are kids any less subject to that stuff on those????
I think they can blend Miiverse with a virtual world with the next system, kinda like the meta verse.(I think meta claiming it have other use than social media is dumb, they are not good at productive work programs)
If they have the team to shut down fan games and rom hacks, they can make that team to shut down these message too because they are kinda related.
The illegal stuff that was going on was a terrible look for a company like Nintendo at the time. Think about how hard they try to maintain their family friendly image. No matter how many resources they could've had for moderation, after a certain point, it just became a liability
Nintendo is for everyone as the Switch has proven, i didn’t have a Wii U i have no nostalgia towards MiiVerse.
Iwata's Nintendo was the company that shut down Miiverse. That Nintendo died with him. Notice how immediately after his death, Nintendo stopped giving a shit about anything but cash, and began screwing over consumers and taking the lazy way out.
I think online access should just be free man
Nintendo lost so much money when it wad free
@@HYDRA64605 Proof?
@@lemau8458 how the fuck can I show you proof in a comment section?
@@HYDRA64605 ohh ofc Nintendo is such a tiny company that need our money for online that they're not even going to invest back into their servers since the service that we're paying is only for match making and syncing player to a host player aka mother qwaking P2P. Thank Nintendo
@@lemau8458they didn’t actually lose money, but they would lose money due to most of the games being 3rd party and Nintendo wouldn’t get much of a profit except from the console and some selection of Nintendo games
The fact they make online play a paid service pisses me off so much
As a PC gamer who can play games online for free, paying a subscription for online play feels like robbery, but if you want to play smash with your buddies, what can you do?? The *free retro games might seem like a nice bonus, but it's not worth dropping the virtual console, especially if you already own a lot of the games worth playing and/or are comfortable with emulation.
Not only free multiplayer. Steam also offers free cloud storage synchronisation for saves, free voice text/chat, allows custom profiles and icons, free custom clan groups, free Steam Link remote play + remote multiplayer. As Steam a launcher, I can also sideload any game to it from other stores.
PC has it lucky.
Not gonna cap comparing emulation to regular realese is such a weird thing.
@@skycloud4802xbox has free cloud saves and custom profiles. I don't know what custom clan groups are.
Before I clicked I was thinking "Would be funny if it started with no, then the entire rest of the video was a thanks for watching screen"
This is what we need on each retro console:
*Nintendo Entertainment System (64):*
Games we need on NES online:
Adventure Island II
Adventure Island III
Batman: The Video Game
Battletoads
Battletoads & Double Dragon
Bionic Commando
Blades of Steel
Bubble Bobble
Castlevania
Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
Contra
Super C / Probotector II: Return of the Evil Forces
Duck Hunt
DuckTales
Dragon Warrior IV / Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen
Faxanadu
Gargoyle's Quest II: The Demon Darkness
Mighty Final Fight
Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom
Life Force
Little Nemo: The Dream Master
Pac-Man
Tecmo Super Bowl
Zoda's Revenge: StarTropics II
Total: 90
*Super Nintendo Entertainment System (56):*
Games we need on SNES online:
Mario is Missing!
Mario Paint
Yoshi's Cookie
Yoshi's Safari
Super Castlevania IV
ActRaiser
Batman Returns
Chrono Trigger
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Harvest Moon
Illusion of Gaia
Killer Instinct
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
NBA Jam
Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
Rock n' Roll Racing
Secret of Evermore
Shadowrun
SimCity
Soul Blazer
Sunset Riders
Super Bomberman
Terranigma
Tetris Attack
The Adventures of Batman & Robin
The Legend of the Mystical Ninja
The Lost Vikings
U.N. Squadron
Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Total: 86
*Game Boy / Game Boy Color (15):*
Games we need on Game Boy / Game Boy Color online:
Super Mario Land
Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Mario’s Picross
Donkey Kong (GB)
Donkey Kong Land
Donkey Kong Land 2
Donkey Kong Land III
Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
Wario Land II
Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman!
Kirby's Pinball Land
Pokémon Red & Blue
Pokémon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition
Kid Icarus: Of Myths & Monsters
Game & Watch Gallery
Game & Watch Gallery 2
Mega Man: Dr. Wily's Revenge
Mega Man II (GB)
Mega Man III (GB)
Mega Man IV (GB)
Mega Man V (GB)
Mega Man Xtreme
Mega Man Xtreme 2
Castlevania The Adventure
Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge
Balloon Kid
Catrap
DuckTales 2
Harvest Moon GB
James Bond 007
Kid Dracula
Kwirk
Mole Mania
Motocross Maniacs
Operator C
Parodius
Pinball: Revenge of the 'Gator
R-Type
Solar Striker
Super R.C. Pro-Am
Tetris 2 / Tetris Flash
Tiny Toon Adventures: Babs' Big Break
Qix
Quarth
Total: 59
*Nintendo 64 (22):*
Games we need on Nintendo 64 online:
Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong 64
Diddy Kong Racing
Mega Man 64
Castlevania 64
Banjo-Tooie
Bomberman 64 + Bomberman 64: The Second Attack!
Blast Corps
Conker's Bad Fur Day
ClayFighter: Sculptor's Cut
Harvest Moon 64 (not only Jp exclusive)
Jet Force Gemini
Perfect Dark
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
StarCraft 64
Total: 42
*Game Boy Advance (14):*
Games we need on Game Boy Advance online:
Mario vs. Donkey Kong
Mario Party Advance
Mario Tennis: Power Tour
Mario Golf: Advance Tour
Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
Mario Pinball Land
Donkey Kong: King of Swing
Yoshi Topsy-Turvy
Wario Land 4
WarioWare Twisted!
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Four Swords
Metroid: Zero Mission
Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land
Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire
Pokémon Emerald
Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team
Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire
F-Zero: GP Legend
F-Zero Climax
Mother 3
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Game & Watch Gallery Advance
Super Street Fighter II: Turbo Revival
Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Astro Boy: The Omega Factor
Crash Bandicoot: The Huge Adventure / Crash Bandicoot XS
Crash Bandicoot 2: N-Tranced
Crash Bandicoot: Fusion / Crash Bandicoot - Purple: Ripto's Rampage
Drill Dozer
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Gunstar Super Heroes
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town
Rayman: Advance DX (in reality is a port from PS1)
Shin-chan: Contra los Muñecos de Shock Gahn
Spyro: Season of Ice
Spyro 2: Season of Flame
Spyro: Attack of the Rhynocs
Spyro: Fusion / Spyro - Orange: The Cortex Conspiracy
*Sega Genesis / Mega Drive (40):*
Games we need on Sega Genesis online:
Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic The Hedgehog 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic The Hedgehog CD
Knuckles Chaotix
Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Beyond Oasis
Combat Cars
Dune: The Battle For Arrakis
Earthworm Jim 2
Flashback: The Quest For Identity
James Pond II: Codename: Robocod
King Of Monsters II
Landstalker
Michael Jackson’s Moonwalker
Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament
Monster World IV
NBA Jam T.E
NHL ’94
Quackshot starring Donald Duck
Rocket Knight Adventures
Samurai Shodown
Taz In Escape From Mars
ToeJam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron
VectorMan
WWF Raw
Imagine we got Rayman 2
Nintendo is going to give us what they give us. They're not going to read your comment. If something gets added that's on your list then it is just a coincidence since you listed the more popular and fan favorite titles. It's just common sense they would add it eventually, not because of you.
@@Cyko.. It's a list of games. That if, for some extreme weird reason happens. I would not need to buy Games for the GBA.
@@pasalasaga GBA has a great library of games. I am surprised you didn't put Gunstar Super Heroes. It's one of the best titles. Also Alien Hominid is a near perfect port of the GC version. Golden Sun and F-Zero is already on their page as coming soon for GBA.
there is already sonic 2
I wish they would just make the subscription no longer required for online play and gave you the option to buy games outright like on PSPlus and Xbox Game Pass - give the option to pay once to be able to have access to Super Mario Bros without a subscription. As it is currently NSO is everything I hate about the Switch and subscriptions in general.
but sony psplus is not good either, sony is not even a good company. I have the PS4 and I used the psplus, and you need to pay to play online even if you own the game. sony can also ban your account and you cant even access your games offline, they take everything you have ever payed for. I dont like sony at all now, my account was temporarily suspened for 10 days, and I couldnt even access my offline games. Now Im gonna just move on to nintendo, Im never buying another playstation in the future ever again. I now pirate and steal all games on my PC, I dont even need to buy games on playstation because they come out for pc and on PC you can then pirate them. just fight the system, Laws and regulations and policies are a bunch of nonsense and they are Legal theives and legal thugs anyways
Ultimately, corporations will do what they think will get them the most profit. This is why the planet is being killed, and incidentally is also why switch online exists and sucks. We need systemic reform that places people over profit if we want a non-hellscape planet and a user-friendly Nintendo experience.
This argument works for things like climate change but I’m sick of pretending like entertainment is something that isn’t superfluous
Accidentally forgot to cancel after the second year. Cancelled after that auto renewal and never looked back.
Good to see this is still not worth it.
Man, what about a punch out 99? How cool would that be
hear me out, duck hunt 99
Considering you don’t really pay to play online when using a pc, I think the fact that companies like Sony, Nintendo and such is just downright stingy.
I feel like to charge for online service you have to actually provide a service. There’s not even something as simple as a messaging system. It’s embarrassing lol
I feel like the subscription would be 5 times better if they just added actual chat features with vc that’s not app locked, playing and making friends on switch is almost impossible naturally. I have so many friends on my switch I never play or talk to cause it’s so difficult to get them in a game again
I do really enjoy switch online but that has a big asterisk next to it. When the expansion pack launched it did not have nearly enough content to justify its price. It wasn’t until the N64 games had doubled and the GBA was added that it started to feel like it had a decent amount of value. Thankfully by that time I was able to split the cost of the service with 5 other friends which made the cost significantly better. That’s the only way I think I could justify paying for it.
Finally a long form UA-cam video that has the answer in 5 seconds, now I can go back to shorts and forget what I'm doing
I think Sonic 1, Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles might not be available due to music licensing. Surprised you didn’t mention Game Trials much. I got a surprising amount of value out of it. I’ve played Slay the Spire and Cult of the Lamb recently because of it. Now I like them and will buy them eventually on the right platform. I also like rougelikes now and am more interested in Splatoon 3: Side Order being a rougelike as well as other roguelikes. I probably would have never played them without Game Trials.
Why would Sonic 1 be stuck in licensing limbo when Sonic 2 is on the service?
I played through the whole Daemon X Machina and Cadence of Hyrule thanks to game trials so I saved money by not buying those games
Oh true I forgot about that
My brother and I had a blast one weekend playing Poken Tournament "for free" it was amazing, we don't plan to buy Poken cuz there's just too many games to buy but that weekend was great
I also Speedran Monster Hunter Rise on a game's trial and when Sunbreak was announced I finally decided to buy the game
Oh yeah your right. Guess I just things mixed up wrong in my head. They have the same composer and surely the same music legal rights.@@Gestersmek
@@Gestersmekbro it’s sonic 1 , you can play this game on anything but the switch , you’ll be fine
I find it HILARIOUS that originally there were going to offer a SINGLE NES game for a month and it being delayed a whole year. Great video! I also made a retrospective of Switch Online a few weeks back, if you checked that out I’d appreciate it.
Go full time where ever you work buddy
@@tylerrhodes1935bruv
Honestly the fact that you have to pay for it to access online multiplayer in general in 2023 is embarrassing. Coupled with the ass infrastructure of Switch it's a solid NO. Saw the bullshit with payed multiplayer back in 2013 with the PS4 and XB1 and switched to PC and haven't looked back since.
i didnt even know pacman 99 was shut down while it had less of a play incentive as compared to tetris 99 or mario 35 its still somewhat disappointing to see the game didnt perform well enough for nintendo to want to keep supporting it
Who is going to play the next 99 game, knowing that it's going to be taken away in a couple of months, even if they are still paying the subscription
@@tomer4566f-zero 99 is the most successful and its here to stay.
lol, NO, it's an extortion to ask multiplayer fees for games you have already paid for! As for the emulators and all.. just buy dumb raspberry and install the entire rom set of the first 5 generations...
I think the gaming industry is better when nintendo has a sizable user base. But I just have a gut feeling that the drop off from the switch to whatever is next is going to be absolutely massive. Their online is just one indicator on how they're still stuck in the past.
I actually bought expansion pass recently just for the entire Mario Party trilogy alone
Totally worth it
It's worth it ngl
npc
@@Name-lj9ku look who's fucking talking
@@HYDRA64605 @Name-Ij9ku "npc" *Has a default profile picture*
They need a Better online interface like party chats , game invites , messages , being able to add players you just played with then it will be worth it they need a community like Xbox and ps does
it's absolutely wild that the xbox 360's features, latency, and functionality was superior to a service that was released a decade later...
It’s important to remember Game Pass lets you play a ton of modern and last gen games
NSO doesn’t even include the most popular games on its older consoles
This outrageous price for such a limited choice of games was the final straw for me. 100% anti-consumerist. I very quickly went back to emulation since smartphones can run all of these games without a problem nowadays. You can back up your saves and move files quickly through the cloud between devices now. And history + research has proven, objectively, that the Internet has done a better job at video game preservation than the damned capitalists who are willing to trash anything that won't make them a fast buck so that they can push some new game with some half-assed DLC more expensive than the base game.
There's literally no reason for Nint*ndo to not have some exclusive PC/smartphone-based marketplace with most of their titles for sale. It's like they're being run by fools who don't understand how to make real money, and then they'll probably go cry about falling stock prices in a few years, as always, with some "surprised Pikachu face" or something.
Moreover, the rise of Retro Achievements has really changed the game here, too, by adding features that Nint*ndo is literally just too lazy or incompetent to implement. Dudes in their basements can literally make better games and features these days compared to lackluster staff who are probably working 80 hours a week just to afford some instant ramen and pocket cash to walk around Akihabara or something. I guess this is what happens when you let huge corporations milk our favorite IPs dry for 30 years, holding even characters like poor Toad in their death grip until the end.
I think you forgot to mention the 7-day game trials.
I wish Nintendo just gave them for free or at least, 7 day game trial way more often. The last game was cult of the Lamb and I quite enjoyed it.
Damn, I missed cult of the lamb? I would have loved to try that; it looks cool but lots of negative reviews so I don't really want to pull the trigger on buying it without trying it.
I just stopped paying for it and modded my Wii to play all of the retro games from the subscription on emulators
Is it worth it from a conceptual standpoint? Yes. Is it great? No. The biggest draw is that it made certain experiences officially available worldwide, meaning you can finally play stuff like the japanese version of Metroid Fusion or exclusives without import-shenanagans or piracy. The emulation for Gameboy and Gameboy Advance is pretty good and they offer other perks as a bonus.
However, this is just looking at it isolated. if I had the choice between just reverting to how it was on the Wiiu or keeping it this way, I would honestly take virtual console and free online. It is not like they particularly do anything special from a pure game-perspective here(Like patching in translations for the games) to warrant this even being a service charging us 40 bucks a year for temporary access, they simply should have started giving us multilingual options in the eShop like I have seen them do with Pokemon Gen 1 on 3DS. I would be singing a diffrent tune if the previously mentioned bonus-perks weren't the *only* thing needing the service to function. If your main offering has no business being an offering, you built the menu wrong.
Considering its pay online. They better not shut down servers in a few years
Honestly, since last summer, the biggest seller for me has been the profile icons. Due to their hesitance to add icons for anything more niche than Star Fox, or not seen as first party Nintendo, I never had a profile picture I really resonated with on the console, and used stuff like an Inkling, Samus, and Mechanica as my icons. With NSO finally adding Xenoblade icons, I finally have something to make my profile feel like my profile. I use a Xenoblade pfp on all four of my accounts now, and it’s great. Fire Emblem and Pokemon getting batches is nice too, though I missed one of my favorite FE characters because I slacked for a week. The pfps, ability to play Smash however scuffed it may be, and Mario Kart DLC alone I feel make it worth for me.
My NS pfp is Pikachu. My friends list are a bunch of Links and Mario’s. NSO is only good for online Smash Bros and the 99 games. I have a modded SNES classic so the games on the NSO service is ignored.
me and my friends use our mains in mario wonder for our icon pfps
May be a hot take, but i dont think adding any amount of old games will justify the poor online play many games have.
The fact that every first party game still isn't available on what's essentially an emulator is insane. They could make it a fantastic deal, but they're choosing not to
i feel like something that could make switch online actually worth it is if they added a collection of switch games as a feature like xbox game pass or the ps plus game catalouge
There ARE occasionally *trials* of games, the most recent was one of those fucking farming games. But these are random and sporadic, sometimes it's Splatoon 2, sometimes it's... not.
But yeah absolutely put at least games like Arms and 1 2 Switch on there permanently, the weird stuff that didn't sell well
Xbox game pass is unironically killing Xbox though
@@paulakroy2635 I think it was a terrible idea
The thing I think most people really don't understand with NSO is that it is paid. Sure Nintendo Network was in many respects terrible when compared to XBL or PSN. But it achieved what it set out to do, and it was free. A lot of the things that NN didn't have that XBL and PSN did, could be excused by the fact that NN is Free. The Fact that NSO is paid, and yet isn't in a much better spot than NN is, is really jarring.
I subscribe to NSO primarily for the peace of mind of having cloud saves for my games, but paying a little extra for all the NSO consoles and ever growing titles is a nice touch, as it lets me revisit part of my childhood when they release titles I used to play. It was such a joy when they released Crusader of Centy on NSO!
I swear if anyone here is interested in just playing the retro games, get an emulator console. Better peformance, cheaper and you are not locked to whatever the heck Nintendo decides to put up. Your so called setup is also easy peasy as most of these come with everything preinstalled. So all you have to know is know how to drag a file on your pc.
Yea, I'm not paying anyone more than once for a game and then I better own it for ever. I'm not letting them ruin gaming for me. More reasons why I still love to play my original N64.
Considering the Game Boy and GBA emulators have been available for so long and we still haven't seen original classics such as the first Super Mario Land, it's really quite unfortunate. Nintendo recently added two Golden Sun games to NSO, so I do have hope that they will add many other classics still missing from the online service. Personally, I didn't purchase the expansion pack until there was more of a reason to do so. Having access to Online Play, NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBA, and Sega Genesis emulators, Animal Crossing DLC, Splatoon 2 DLC, Mario Kart DLC, and more with the "premium" tier is honestly not horrible. However, Nintendo really should give us more exclusive features and dlc to make the price a little more worth it. In regards to Gamecube and Wii coming to NSO, I think we'll DEFINITELY have to wait for Switch 2. Speaking of which, Nintendo should automatically launch the console with all of the retro games already available on Switch 1. It may sound far-fetched simply because they didn't do this when launching the Switch, however, I would argue that's because the Virtual Console feature on Wii U and 3ds was completely different from the NSO feature on Switch. Nintendo started with a clean slate and I think it's only fair for us consumers to expect them to keep going from here:)
good video!
i think you dismissed the ever growing handheld emulator scene a bit too easily. you mentioned how emulaton on pc does not having the convince of the switch, but most of the new powkitty, abernic and retroid products are more portable than the switch and some are even pre-loaded with the roms. its hard to defend the tiny switch onlinecollection againt the massive catalogs packed in dozens of emulator options out there for so cheap.
I mean emulation is pretty easy for the games offered on the expansion pack. And Nintendo themselves are emulating those games on the switch.
Anything from the gamecube/wii and below takes like 2 mins to setup, even less for the handheld games.
And from the N64 and below even 2002 PCs can run games smoothly with 1gb of RAM and a 2GHz CPU.
As you said the games are a nice bonus but getting the pass for them is up to argument.
In summary.. if you have a V1 switch, mod it. Immediately
All I ask is one thing: give us the option to make individual purchases. I totally understand why some Nintendo users may be sick to death of paying for the same retro titles again for the umpteenth time, but at least allow an option for those who would prefer a one-off transaction for games that they actually want.
Man I just got a switch a few months ago after hearing for years that it was great and now I feel like I wasted my money because nintendo really just seems to like shooting themselves in the foot.
Don’t worry, I think it’s an incredible machine. There’s so many game that are just pure fun! Just try not to get too bogged down by what people say on the internet. The truth is most people love it, but those aren’t usually the type of people to express that online. It’s probably been my favourite console I’ve ever had just because the games are so good! While people are bothered by the price of switch online, I honestly don’t really care in the end, its not that much lol
It's insane that the switch is at the end of its life and Nintendo's still refuses to sell or make the GB/GBA pokemon games available. They have been developing Home/Battle Tower online connectivity for R/S/E since 2018 (confirmed in leak of the Sloop/experimental gba emulator way back when), where the heck is it lol? Bruce, it's been 5 years!
If they're ever added to NSO, i'll consider it worth it for pokemon home connectivity and online battles. Until then, emulations still free. The NSO library should be double or triple the size to be considered worth it.
I’d still rather have free online with user names and individual virtual console purchases than NSO. I’ve been paying for it for years and I’ve yet to feel like I’ve gotten significant value out of it.
It’s really not worth it to play games online at all. Playing online should be free.
$50 a year for old games is a pretty damn good deal but having the option to individually buy games at a good price would be even better.
I just dont like the service. I feel like i have to play to get value out of it. I have supper busy life some times during the weekends i play so its just not worth for me to pay for something I have a small intrest in.
bro wtf is wrong with UA-cam recomendations, i have been following your channel, for a bit you try to try something new, and people dont get to watch it, this is an awesome video, it's very annoying is not so apreciated in numbers as the others...
Thanks for the great work
I also was let down by the price increase for the Expansion Pass tier. However, I got around it with a Family Membership along with some friends, which all slots are full. That means I only spend $10.00 a year.
This is a great idea
They should at least have made some of their games free to play online. Like imagine my surprise buying Mario kart and super smash bros then not being able to play online cause I gotta pay extra. Yes I realize it’s not that much money but still. The games are already $60 a piece after being out for almost 7 years now.
I wish they’d make the online better and even then I’d pay more for more features, better online etc.
Are we ever going to own the emulators for good? Rather than paying for them every time...
Great video! Subscribed. Love the use of the Zelda music in the background ❤
I miss virtual console and owning my games.
There isn't anybody to play online. I try playing online on mario kart but there isnt anyone while searching for players. same for mario party online....
We'd get the best of both worlds if they keep adding older console games yet to be added like Wii or DS AND they had the guts to release them available for purchase.
I'd happily buy a physical Switch cartridge that has all the SNES games for instance.
Imagine if they did that with every console.
Easy money, and everyone happy.
"Let's add paid online in order to play with people in any game and NOT ADD A WAY TO EASILY CONTACT PEOPLE YOU SEE ONLINE!!!! WHAT'S THE POINT OF FRIENDS WHEN I CANT MESSAGE THEM. The majority of my friends list are people I've only played with once cus i can't even talk to them outside game
Imagine being a member and not subscribing to the person
I was happy to buy roms off the eshop i could play when I wanted. And the free online for wii u.
No. Saved you 36 minutes
Bro literally the first thing I say in the video lol
God bless corporate price-fixing! Its only going to get worse.
I cancelled my membership a while ago. Not gonna pay for an online service with no chat/party support, and awful netcode. Me and my friends will always choose a PS or PC version of a game for online play, for the simple fact that you can send invites and chat.
Nice video, though hearing Kakariko Village music while seeing Tetris on the screen gave me an unsettiling feeling.
As of the time I wrote this comment, F-ZERO X on N64 Switch Online still has frameskipping issues and a ridiculously high control stick sensitivity rendering it near unplayable vs playing on the original hardware. (Even the NSO N64 controller has too high a sensitivity, but is more bearable due to the button layout being more familiar)
I haven't played it on NSO (and probably never will), but I'm sure even its release on the Wii U VC was better; it's playable at least.
Call me stupid, but honestly the one thing keeping me from truly "maining" my Switch is the lack of an achievement system. I enjoy playing games and being rewarded with an achievement or trophy as I play or having a reason to go back to a game because, "I didn't get that one achievement yet". Achievements add so much replayability to games (if you're an achievement hunter) and can cause you to, ironically, save money because you may play a game that takes 15 hours to finish for 30hrs because you're trying to complete a singular goal. Nintendo needs to add a larger sense of community to the Switch (and future releases) by having game hubs for developer activity, groups for specific games, friends activity and many other community options.
Donkey kong County series aged perfectly, was do happy to replay those games.
The 6 classic consoles on the NSO are my most played. Cumulative hours are around 650 hours
Same
I would LOVE to be able to send messages and screenshots to my friends. I feel Nintendo prioritized having a fast, small system UI because of the lack of storage and ram on the console. I feel like it's going to be alot better on the next system. Also I have 8 people on my family plan so I pay like $10 for over 200 games with online play! It's awesome. I feel like if I was a kid with easy access to such great games would have been awesome. All of the games on the genesis app are BANGERS and super fun online!
It's kinda strange that you need to pay a expensive membership just to play with your friends or folks online but I already have one.
It kinda sucked having to pay for internet after being free for so long. People spent like
$100 on Splatoon 2
A GameCube mini would be awsome.
Also just hope it tanks the prices of GameCube games
All i want is an option to write people directly from your switch. Something even the PS3 could handle and to some extend even the PS2.
Id be happy to pay them thoose 15€ a Year but for that i cant make any new friends online on the switch its like i play against Bots with Human skill since there is no Personality behind a Gamertag on Switch since i cant interact with them.
64 is the last frontier. Further a remake makes more money.
Here's the problem, once they discontinue the service we are SOL
What do you mean by “unfortunately starting the trend” Xbox created console online networks. It wasn’t a trend that was the groundwork for the entire online system. It’s regrettable that Sony and Nintendo followed suit but the standard was to pay for online.
Nintendo and SEGA both had very primitive online services throughout the mid-late 90s (SNES SatelliView, SEGANet, SEGA Channel, X-Band) while Xbox did not create online services but they brought it into the mainstream with the release of Halo: Combat Evolved in 2001. Even back then, Nintendo is mirroring themselves and using obsolete technology and relying on their legacy content and exclusives for a now paid service… which sucks, but at least Microsoft was ahead of their time with backwards compatibility and GamePass/media and streaming services !!!
Fire Emblem (7) alone must have sucked out 100 hours of my time.
18:13 that isn't that weird. Sonic 2 is generally considered better than sonic 1 in every way. With sonic 3&k being in limbo at the time it makes complete sense
The nope .1 seconds in was peak 😂
If we are talking purely about playing online, it is not, the games and connections are not stable enough. The games themselves were good and most are exclusivities. But since some games based the experience on online play, it was almost a forced necessity, like the Splatoon games, Mario Maker 2, and a few others.
But if we talk about the other things it gives access, it definitively is. NES, SNES and GB Online contain so many games that make it worth it. The service was already at a low price compared to similar services, but with the mountain of other things it gives access, it's almost dumb to not take it (depending of the games one has, wants and the way he plays).
Now, there is the + Expansion Pack, at launch, it wasn't worth it, like AT ALL. It only was N64, Genesis and the GBA Online, but the price was so much higher compared to the other it wasn't worth it, more than double the price for not that much more content.
But now, we get so many free things for buying it once, including the whole MK8DX DLC, the Octo Expansion, AC stuff and more. Buying the + Expansion Pack will always be worth it the first time one buys it unless one already bought most of the free things, but passed the second one, an argument can be made.
But now, if you used the service once, psychologically, you don't want to loose access to what you had in the past, so you will never want to stop taking it, at least until the Switch dies, and we know it's gonna take a very long time.
I consider if you are gonna buy NSO, you might as well take the NSO + EP. But that is my opinion.
I don't even have those games, so the perk of "borrowing" the DLC is sadly lost on me, I legitimately only got the expansion to get access to N64 and GBA.
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I get that, and honestly, that's also the main reason why I got it. I already had the Octo Expansion and I don't play AC. At least the MK8DX stuff was on my list of thing to get.
But I don't think you "borrow" the free stuff... I'm pretty sure you keep them even after the end of the subscription. Guess I'll see in a few months anyway.
Personally I think Nintendo made you have to pay to play online because of the failure of the Wii U
In my opinion the expansion pass was so unnecesary they should have just added the n64 games etc to the base subscription
At least 1 thing per game on switch has been locked behind Nintendo switch online
What most don't realize is that reason for nintendo's lack luster launch of games for the online service is two reasons.
Reason number one Nintendo screwed up on future distribution rights of titles sold under a current system. Since the ps2 and xbox 360 era sony and Microsoft saw that with an online store people are going to buy older titles on newer hardware thus made sure that older games are still available on newer hardware via the online store. Nintendo didn't do this instead focused on sales for that specific system. This came to bite them with point number 2
Reason 2 The majority of games people liked aren't nintendo property. Games like golden eye, banjo kaszui, and pokemon aren't owned by nintendo and nintendo only has rights to distribute those games on the original hardware they were designed for. Meaning for nintendo to re-release games like pokemon or banjo they have to get permission from rare (now part of Microsoft) and game freak for systems like the switch.
I saw it coming that it was going to become a paid for service, because when they announced the service, they said it would be free for a while and then, paid for. So yeah. That was the deal.
whilst i like the inclusion of mega drive (or genesis for you yanks) on the expansion pass, it really isn’t needed. there’s enough sega compilations dating back to the ps2, and there’s a load already on switch anyway (and on pc which is way better as the compilation is free, you just gotta buy the roms which you can do whatever you want with them, like sticking them in an emulator and applying mods ect). it’s just a waste of £50 and it’s the least used app on my switch. why they couldn’t put gamecube on there instead as well as n64 baffles me as they have gc controller compatibility but barely anything is used for it. if you want switch online just go for the cheaper standard version imo.
Lol I also wanna call it mega drive. This vid is mostly gonna be seen by American viewers so I didn’t wanna upset them heheh
No need to be apologetic. Those over the pond don't acknowledge the Mega Drive, so why should anyone else acknowledge the Genesis? Most people know they mean the same thing.
It’s not a way of £50 for me because a lot of these mega drive games are expensive to buy, especially for me as someone who owns an actual mega drive but doesn’t a lot of the games on Nintendo Switch Online due to the existent prices. So for me it’s an absolute godsend to be able to play these games like beyond the Oasis so no, I think that alone is worth it for me and of course having access to the SNES NES, and N64 as well as GBA games on the ads to the value for me, especially as someone who grew up with the mega drive. That’s may need the reason I even got the online expansion.