Giant Propel Long Term Review - Sell My Tarmac SL8?

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    Frame: Giant Propel Advanced Pro M/L
    Wheels: FarSports EVO C6
    Groupset: Shimano Ultegra Di2 12-Speed
    Handlebars: Prime Primavera Aero Carbon Handlebars
    Stem: Contact SLR Aero 140mm -10
    Power Meter: Quarq D-Four
    Bottom Bracket: Kogel Bearings Ceramic BB86
    Tires: Continental GP5000 28c
    Saddle: Giant Fleet SLR
    Pedals: Look Keo Blade Ceramic
    Bartape: Supacaz
    Final Weight 7.3kg
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  • @Nehpets1701G
    @Nehpets1701G 4 місяці тому +16

    Ah yes the mistress versus wife dilemma - stick with the love or stray for the lust!
    If the frames were given to you with no logo / branding in a blind test, which would you want to keep?
    From what you are saying (if I've understood your last few vids correctly) perhaps the SL8 was the dream bike you've worked your way up to, perhaps apex achievement bike, but the Giant seems to be the one that is actually the nicer one to live with.
    If that was me, I'd stick with the Giant and give it an overhaul + custom paint job so it lasts me a good 3+ years.
    What a fantastic dilemma to have though!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +11

      If I could reduce this video to a single and concise stream of thought, it would be this comment right here. I was tempted to also use the mistress versus wife analogy myself...but my mother-in-law watches my videos 🤣

    • @holgerfoysi454
      @holgerfoysi454 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino Is the final weight with or without pedals included? Thanks!

  • @valiantabello
    @valiantabello 4 місяці тому +3

    Thanks!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +2

      OG subscriber. Thanks bro!!!

  • @do5691
    @do5691 2 місяці тому +3

    Perfect description of the Propel, stiff, fast und demanding, and that's why it is fun to ride.

  • @jediavatar
    @jediavatar 3 місяці тому +2

    I have a 2015 Propel Advanced Pro SL 0, which is basically the rim brake version from the previous generation, including some ZIPP 404 Firecrest rims. It cannot accommodate anything wider than a 25mm tire. It uses rim brakes that hide behind the fork and seat stays. It is stiff as hell, twitchy as hell in crosswinds, and yeah, you really do feel every bump. But like you, I LOVE IT. Ever since I started riding it, I have always felt as though the bike is saying to me, “What? Is that all you’ve got?” I am the limitations with that bike, not the other way around.
    Now that I am older, heavier, and more injured than I’d like to be, I wish I had a bike that was a little more comfortable, or at least could accommodate some wider, more compliant tires.
    But it looks like it was made to be a speed demon, and it really is.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      "Ever since I started riding it, I have always felt as though the bike is saying to me, 'What? Is that all you’ve got?'" - Haha I absolutely love this. Thanks for watching!

  • @galenkehler
    @galenkehler 4 місяці тому +9

    Only problem with selling the Giant is that its one of the best looking bikes of the last decade. In that paint, and those clean lines, beautiful frame 😘

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +3

      Black on black on black on black!

  • @Gtek22
    @Gtek22 4 місяці тому +4

    I purchased the same frameset after watching your reviews. First bike I have ridden that the weight for me is not my main focus. As a 100kg rider the bike is perfect stiff and no flex at all.
    Also the lightest wheelset for me is not the best, I use a set of Parcours Strade 49 front 54 rear built custom with DT Swiss 240 Exp hubs aerolite spokes 28h front and rear with brass nipples using 28mm tyres they measure out to just under 30mm mounted. Not a light wheelset at 1600g but the ride is superb very fast stiff stable in cross winds and not harsh at all. Deep Section steel spoke wheels on the Propel is the best combination in my opinion. I ride in the UK and the roads are not great. With a 35 inch inseam the straight top tube on the propel suits me in a M/L. The equivalent SL7 / Sl8 in a size 56 has too much seatpost exposed and looks ridiculous. I also own a 2024 TCR Advanced Pro and Tarmac SL7 the Propel is my favourite bike. Keep up the good work Patrick Love your reviews 👍🏾

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      I love this breakdown. Thank you so much for chiming in! Giant Propel owners are their own breed of riders I've learned. Especially here in the States.

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому +2

      TCR is better for climbs 👍

  • @spartanbike2260
    @spartanbike2260 4 місяці тому +9

    just built up a propel advanced sl previous ride was tarmac pro sl7. the propel is solid. in the corners superior to the sl7. better power transfer and the seat mast adds a layer of comfort/flex. i do agree my crw 50/60 are more twitchy on the crosswinds just need to put weight on the hoods LOL luv it . i would by pass the pro and go all in the sl version. i fitted my propel with exs aero over bars. full bike weight with pedals 6760 gm size medium.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      I've heard conflicting stories about whether or not the ISP is stiffer than the traditional seat post of the Advanced Pro. Any insight? Like you, my forever bike (where I wouldn't care about resell value) would be the SL version. Swap out my EXS bars from my SL8 and use them for that build. Farsports EVO C6 or CRW 5060 ❤️

    • @andrewb6541
      @andrewb6541 4 місяці тому +1

      Appreciate your feedback as I have the previous model Propel Advanced SL and was thinking to upgrade. - latest Propel SL seems a LOT lighter!!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@andrewb6541 That integrated seatpost would tank in on the resell market. But for a "forever" bike it's probably worth haha. Lighter, stiffer, and just cooler looking haha

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      Can You tell somethong about cornering differenced Propel vs SL7 ? Maybe You have different tyres? Or maybe Propel have more stiffness in fork and headtube?

    • @spartanbike2260
      @spartanbike2260 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino according to giant with mast they can add compliance vs a rigid seatpost resell value is still good since giant supplies two mast plus spacers so you can add extra height When i compare rode to my spec sl7 i feel the giant has a better ride i used same wheels tires pressure on both bikes

  • @marcinstyle85
    @marcinstyle85 4 місяці тому +2

    It's been a year already? , man time flies like crazy😅. Great review I love Propel 😍

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Time flies when you're a bum like myself!

  • @thegoodwheel
    @thegoodwheel 4 місяці тому +3

    Good review Patrick👍🏾

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      You will be happy to know I was fully inspired by your reviewing style and demeanor of speaking. I even made mental notes to myself earlier when I was on the bike haha.

  • @hms350
    @hms350 3 місяці тому +1

    Really good point re being locked in. Would be fantastic if the bike industry truly let you demo bikes as you can do with skis (for the most part). I gambled this year on an upgrade to Specialized Roubaix S-Works and so far it is great for me. Got the prior version of SRAM Red as the discount was massive (offer I couldn’t refuse) and I think I got one of the last bikes available.
    Riding outside of Mt. Horeb WI is great, Horribly Hilly in June is awesome event and I assume you covered similar terrain.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому +2

      I really want to return to Madison one more time this season. Lots of great roads. Thanks for watching!

  • @NisseOhlsen
    @NisseOhlsen Місяць тому +1

    HI Pat, excellent review, thanks. Thinking hard on getting a Propel myself. I believe the Porsche that would make your argument stronger is the GT3. No turbo. No acceleration lag at all, just a pure street legal race car with immediate and hard feedback. An honest car. A driver's car.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  Місяць тому +1

      I love the way you think my friend. Thanks for chiming in!

  • @Hamsterlovers408
    @Hamsterlovers408 4 місяці тому +1

    Always great video Pat

  • @jimlee648
    @jimlee648 4 місяці тому +6

    I have got EXS Integrated Bars for my propel SL. highly recommended! Propel is faster than my Old Tarmac Sl7 and more Comfy then Madone Gen7 (Trek most Aero lol.) 200kms one day no worries. can't wait to attempt the 300kms one day!

    • @bpsmash
      @bpsmash 4 місяці тому

      I‘m curious - are there shims coming with the bars so it sits flush with the overdrive steerer or does it leave some kind of void? I’m kinda concerned if it’ll damage the steerer after a while

    • @RylHango
      @RylHango 4 місяці тому +2

      @@bpsmashyou have to request them from panda podium, leave your bike model in a note with the purchase at checkout

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@bpsmash The EXS handlerbars indeed come with shims because the steer tube opening is oversized. Perfect on Giant/Canyon. I use the shims on my SL8.

    • @marcustan5868
      @marcustan5868 4 місяці тому

      More comfy than the madone?😮 What size tyres do u have on? Which geometry is more upright?❤

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      Propel faster than SL7 ? What sort of terrain, flats or hilly??

  • @martinbichler7089
    @martinbichler7089 4 місяці тому +1

    Great review, keep up the good work Patty 👍

  • @mruedar
    @mruedar 4 місяці тому +12

    I’ve been riding a canyon Aeroad 2025 for the last two months. Your description of how the Propel rides accurately describes what I’m feeling riding the Aeroad.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      I would love to get my current Aeroad on loan, fully set up to my current bike fit.

    • @mruedar
      @mruedar 4 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino saw the video. If after adjusting your setup you fell really really good, be confident that when you ordering a new one on a smaller size will make you to loose your mind.
      Downsides: you’ll need to buy an extra proprietary canyon stem. Sell the DT Swiss wheels (is aero optimized for 26mm )

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@mruedar True! I supposed I can recoup the funds from selling those old and heavy DT wheels haha

    • @mruedar
      @mruedar 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino it’s my first time on a carbon frame with carbon deep section wheels. Not sure if these are that bad, certainly not modern for today standards. Although I haven’t tested anything else, god these wheels feel fast and cross wind stability is good.
      I’m Looking forward to buy a new pair, but can’t see the point of having two sets of wheels; given that the resell value of the dt Swiss wheels is probably not the best. Any advice ? I mean the advantage will be just 300-ish grams, going from 26 to 28mm tires (I weight 57-60kg, run tubeless and use tire pressure about 70psi)

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@mruedar Nice breakdown. What's your current budget for wheels? I have a few suggestions in mind...

  • @Savrotir
    @Savrotir 3 місяці тому +1

    Got the same frame and colour based on your review. Best bike I’ve ridden. Mainly from a fit perspective. Is also stiff af and is perfect for undulating terrain. It’s not slow on climbs though, fitted with proper light wheels this is, such as wheelsfar carbon spoked ones. Handling is superb and I corroborate a previous comment about excellent cornering. I have not experienced serious twitching in crosswinds with my 50mm wheels and the area I live is windy and hilly/mountainous. I do feel that indeed is an under advertised bike. Last comment, running GP5000 STR 30c, I am pretty certain it can take 32c also.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      Great stuff right there. thank you!

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      What Is Your weight?

  • @marcinstyle85
    @marcinstyle85 4 місяці тому +2

    Done so far 60 tys km(16k this year) on my Propel 2019 still going strong love it!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Dang already 16000km for the year? Beast mode!

    • @marcinstyle85
      @marcinstyle85 4 місяці тому +2

      @@PatrickLino Yeah, this year I am addicted to cycling🤩😅😃💪

  • @RideWithGerben
    @RideWithGerben 4 місяці тому +1

    It's personal, but I kind of like look of the GIANT. It just looks meaner than the SL8. But then again: to own both. You are living the dream!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Financially sub-optimal dream!

  • @dominickfrancis9808
    @dominickfrancis9808 4 місяці тому +1

    I have the Propel myself and everything what you’re saying is true. I feel the same, amazing review

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for stopping by Dominick!

  • @Zeben84
    @Zeben84 4 місяці тому +4

    I think the responsiveness and stiffness that you feel as better than the SL8 is because the Propel has 405mm chainstays and the SL8 has 410mm, plus the fact that the Propel frame is heavier (which is a good thing) than the SL8.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Thanks Zeben! I included the geometry chart in the video, as I figured someone would be keen on breaking down the frame differences. Great insight.

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому +2

      Propel is more responsiveness and quicker than Sl8 not only because shorter chainstays on Propel but because of lack of stiffness in bottom bracket area in Sl8

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому +1

      @@Pablo_Coach Thanks for watching!

    • @Zeben84
      @Zeben84 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Pablo_Coach that's also true

  • @cgatz
    @cgatz 4 місяці тому

    Well done video Mr Lino!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Crazy it’s been a year. I remember chatting with you about Giant last summer 2023.

  • @LMKF
    @LMKF 4 місяці тому +1

    Great review! Same feeling with my Propel. It’s a blade! Unfortunately it’s not the right bike for me. It’s a great bike but it’s too stiff for my back. I have to ride it with 5 cm spacers otherwise it becomes a pain. I Will try to fit 32mm GP5000 to see if it becomes more confy. Otherwise I have to switch to a Defy. I have also an alluminium Cannondale Topstone paired with a 42mm Fulcrum racing speed carbon wheels. The bike is slow and heavy but it’s a joy to use up and down the Alps for long rides.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      What would be your perfect bike for the Alps? No expense spared.

    • @LMKF
      @LMKF 4 місяці тому +1

      I would pick a bike that allows me to put at least 32mm tyres. Roads are not the same you can find in US. probably an endurance bike is perfect, ride slow, enjoy the view and enjoy the food you can find along your way!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +2

      @@LMKF I love this philosophy. Thank you!

    • @LMKF
      @LMKF 4 місяці тому

      I’m also considering to buy a Crux. So I would use the Propel for fast flat rides, the AL Topstone for hard gravel and the Crux as an all road bike.

  • @fabianmolyneux2308
    @fabianmolyneux2308 4 місяці тому +1

    Great review and a “true to life” account of riding. Thanks. Is your Propel an SL model? And if so did you have to get the seat-post cut?. My first serious road bike was Giant TCR and I loved it. I agree with you I don’t might a bit of “road feel” either. Your Propel looks a great bike and the wheels you’re using look fantastic. Again, thanks for an outstanding review. Really appreciated it

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching! This is not the SL version with the integrated seat post. Such a great bike.

  • @MRrandory
    @MRrandory 4 місяці тому +2

    I bought a new tcr last year , but I always look over to the propel, I want one

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Do you love your TCR? A clubmate of mine loves his TCR, and he's the sole inspiration of me trying Giant. He has two TCRs...

    • @MRrandory
      @MRrandory 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino I love my tcr , I’ve never ridden a Propel but I love the way they look. My only regret is that I bought the one with an ISP, it’s no big deal but will effect my resale valve if I ever choose to sell it. It rides nice on 28s

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@MRrandory If I ever rebought a Propel as a forever bike, I would totally get the SL with the ISP!

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLinoTCR is better for hilly terrain/climbing. Propel looking good only with deep section wheels so it will be better for flats

  • @ozgurinsan
    @ozgurinsan 4 місяці тому +2

    A very good bike indeed.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Stiff in all the right places.

  • @wiNNieskiLLeD
    @wiNNieskiLLeD 4 місяці тому +2

    i have a propel and a Helios a9x i recommend you to try the Helios, both are awesome

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Hehe I have a Helios too. In fact I will be doing a video on the upgrades I’ve made on it ❤️

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      How do You compare frame quality Propel vs Helios ?

  • @rayF4rio
    @rayF4rio 4 місяці тому +2

    You are the dude who needs to do a comprehensive wheel review!!! You can do it!! As soon as that Chicago winter hits.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +2

      I've avoided doing it specifically from laziness haha. Yup winter time we gon do it! I still have a couple more sets of wheels to feature before I can do the review for good.

  • @tombartlett1024
    @tombartlett1024 4 дні тому

    Great video, really insightful to hear your personal experience with the bike and how it suits you. I'm hoping to get this bike but does it still stack up in 2025?

  • @martinbichler7089
    @martinbichler7089 4 місяці тому +2

    OD does not specify the fork taper, it specifies the stem clamp diameter: OD is 1 1/8" and OD2 is 1 1/4". Same downside with Canyon, using OD2 limits stem & cockpit choices...

  • @PatrickLino
    @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +7

    Factor Ostro VAM? I'm thinking of buying that frameset for 2025. Canyon does not offer a frameset alone option for their Aeroad. And the resell value of a Scott Foil is lousy. Thoughts?

    • @valiantabello
      @valiantabello 4 місяці тому +1

      Get the Factor.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@Lifesurfer001-iq7nf This is most likely the direction I'll go in for next year. Gotta scrounge some money up in the winter.

    • @jimmynickelz
      @jimmynickelz 4 місяці тому +3

      @PatrickLino I know a guy who swears the factor is better rig than the SL8 so I'd be interested in your opinion.

    • @michaelhofinger3443
      @michaelhofinger3443 4 місяці тому +1

      A comparison between the Foil and Tantan X38 would also be interesting.

    • @martinbichler7089
      @martinbichler7089 4 місяці тому +2

      Canyon Framesets are available only for their high-end CFR models . At least here in Europe...also, worth checking the outlet section of the canyon homepage (not sure this is available global?)

  • @pedrolahoz
    @pedrolahoz 4 місяці тому +1

    Some reviewers comment on how giant is so unassuming in its marketing, yet delivers innovations and excellence all around, which It could boast about but dont. I did not get the propel mainly because of the tire clearance, wanted more, and liked more the design of the bike I got.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Tarmac owners here in Chicago say Giant is boring. Go figure LoL. But when I encounter other Giant owners it's nothing but appreciation and excitement. Because we just "get it".

  • @jkeid315
    @jkeid315 3 місяці тому

    The seat tube on the old propel looked so cool, I'm sad they changed it

  • @elbatch
    @elbatch 4 місяці тому +1

    I've been riding a propel advanced pro 0 for 12000k (was on a canyon ultimate slx rim before). I agree with a lot of the video, especially the rolling hills part. It might not be the best in Tour Magazine aero test but I've somehow beat dedicated TT bikes multiple times without pushing more watts (body position is key). One thing I would had : the ""package"" of the propel and the giant slr1 wheels is s tier. They seems fast and gets the bike to be insanely stable in all wind conditions. Every other wheel I tried fat rim width or not was twitchier and I really don't know what kind of wizardry this is. The slr1 have the same rim profile as the cadex one so I guess r&d was shared but damn. Steel spokes are making the ride not too harsh especially with 28c gp5000, 30mm measured (wouldn't be comfortable going wider as it's already close to the fork). I would say this combo is confortable enough that it isn't a problem on long rides, your legs are. Just a lovely bike.
    Ps : get an avian falcon II cockpit, it's identical to cadex's for a fraction of the price

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching. Having other Propel owners chime is very helpful to those shopping one. How is the fit and finish on the Falcon bars? I've heard not so great things about their Canary version.

    • @elbatch
      @elbatch 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino oh I don't own one yet, it's in pre order as OD2 orders are lower numbers I would say. Will update later. Keep up the video dump, loving it !

    • @cameronsun8161
      @cameronsun8161 Місяць тому

      I'm coming form a rim brake ultimate too. How is the comfort on the propel. Vs the ultimate?

    • @elbatch
      @elbatch Місяць тому

      @@cameronsun8161 If like me you come from 25c (standard for rim brake calipers I'd say), you just have to mount 28c tyres, which will probably measure 30mm, and you will get a smoother ride for sure.

    • @elbatch
      @elbatch Місяць тому

      For me, the frame comfort is very marginal against tyre size induced comfort. The Ultimate isn't a super comfortable bike either so don't worry about too much. However, the Propel is stiffer so if you go off saddle a lot it will be probably be less confortable. Depends on your rider profile.

  • @TenSapphires
    @TenSapphires 4 місяці тому +1

    Canyon use same fork diameter as Giant does. 1 inch and 1/4 (31.8mm).

  • @sirbob1977
    @sirbob1977 4 місяці тому +1

    Propel is my next bike. I already have those same Drive Elitewheels

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Wicked! What size are you going to order, and how tall are you? Be careful in those crosswinds...

    • @sirbob1977
      @sirbob1977 4 місяці тому +1

      @PatrickLino I'm thinking a small. I am 5'8" ish. I have a local giant dealer so il go thru them when I'm ready.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@sirbob1977 Elite Drive 65s would be wild haha. But you would be flying.

    • @sirbob1977
      @sirbob1977 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino I have them on my Canyon Ultimate now. 50mm front 65mm rear. I love them. Il switch them out for the Giant slr 1s that come with the propel.

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому +1

      @@sirbob1977with that height maybe better to consider XS size of Propel because of standover? What Is Your leg lenght?

  • @Bigkidbird4
    @Bigkidbird4 4 місяці тому +1

    Good bike

  • @valiantabello
    @valiantabello 4 місяці тому +1

    I just wish Giant had better colorways. Im very vain you see. Great review sir.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      I 100% agree with you. I would love a gloss but translucent black myself...

  • @darwintumaneng2160
    @darwintumaneng2160 4 місяці тому +1

    Bought the same frame because of your videos man! May I know what rear light are you using? Cant seem to find one that perfectly fits the seatpost

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      Yo! The mount is from an Aussie brand called Concentric Cycling

  • @ariffau
    @ariffau 4 місяці тому +1

    This is such a good review. Thank you for all the TLC you put into this video ❤

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Dude I had so much b-roll footage saved over the past. I'm glad you appreciate it. Next up: I am redoing my Polygon Helios with "better" components and cockpit. Stay tuned next week.

    • @ariffau
      @ariffau 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino ah. Joe of Panda Podium did something similar but do bring it on! Helps me get through my Z2 indoor rides. Cheers

  • @Moneyandfood
    @Moneyandfood 4 місяці тому +3

    Is it just as stiff as the TCR SL ISP? I love the stiffness of the TCR and that’s the reason I chose it over other brands

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      I've heard conflicting stories whether or not the ISP on the SL is stiffer than the standard Advanced Pro.

    • @Moneyandfood
      @Moneyandfood 4 місяці тому

      I meant if the Propel is as stiff as the TCR SL

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLinoSL version of Propel and TCR have different carbon grade and different carbon layup and they are stiffer and lighter than advanced grade

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      @@Pablo_Coach cool

    • @holgerfoysi454
      @holgerfoysi454 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino Tour magazin measures the compliance of the rear end. SL frames. 169 N/mm for the SL, 188 N/mm for the Advanced and 156 N/mm for the SL8. So the SL is measured to be more complient in the rear than the Advanced. Different opinions are usually coming from people with different seat post lengths.

  • @sydemoid
    @sydemoid 4 місяці тому +1

    Pat, which wheels are your favorite on this?, I own a previous version propel, and would love to upgrade it with a lighter weight wheel set, those new Farsports are pricey, but would help me drop about 455 grams, which would in turn add better acceleration response. I agree with you on the stiff ride feel, but have been able to mitigate that with my Light Bicycle AR56’s (30mm external, 23mm internal width) running Pirelli P zeros (26mm) at 63/67 psi front/rear… I weigh 200 lbs, and the lower psi helps absorb road buzz.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      The latest Farsports EVO C6 are my favs on the Propel. Second to my Magene EXAR 50/58 Ultra

  • @smauller623
    @smauller623 Місяць тому

    ….i just watched your sl8 and talked about getting rid of the propel…

  • @Pablo_Coach
    @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

    So which bike do you prefer more: Propel or SL8? Which holds speed better with same wheelset?

  • @gregkane8635
    @gregkane8635 4 місяці тому +1

    Would it be more comfortable with a set of 30mm tyres and say those farsports with the steel spokes than carbon? How is crosswind using those or a similar 50mm wheel?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      The FarSports EVO C6 wheels I currently have on the Propel use 28c GP 5000s that stretch to 31 at the tire. Steel spokes too. The Propel doesn't like super light aero wheels at the front.

    • @gregkane8635
      @gregkane8635 4 місяці тому +2

      @@PatrickLino I’ll maybe stick with a tcr then lol

    • @Pablo_Coach
      @Pablo_Coach 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLinowhy did You choose steel spoke on Farsport evo wheels??

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      @@Pablo_Coach Watch my Farsports video

  • @sbtmri
    @sbtmri 2 місяці тому

    Hi there, can you please compare this model Giant Propel with Cervelo Soloist?!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  2 місяці тому

      Sorry, I haven't tried the Soloist yet. They are difficult to come by...

  • @lestonycyclistone
    @lestonycyclistone 4 місяці тому +2

    I am wonder if u tried Lapierre Xelius SL before

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +2

      Never heard of the brand or bike before. Tell me more...

    • @valiantabello
      @valiantabello 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@PatrickLino It's a French brand, was in the world tour but not anymore. Hardly any dealers in the USA but it is very pretty. No clue how fast it is I've never seen one in real life

    • @lestonycyclistone
      @lestonycyclistone 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino from France, used to be Tour de France bike ridden by Pinot. Xelius consider all rounder , Elilee Blize design look exactly same as Xelius SL . They left Men TDF, they still sponsor to woman TDF team. U can search previous FDJ Groupama team.

    • @thegoodwheel
      @thegoodwheel 4 місяці тому

      ​@@PatrickLinoit's somewhere on my channel if you want to see what it's about.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@lestonycyclistone Does look like the Elilee Blize for sure. I've also considered the Bross Zeneth. It's a bit pricey, and the resell value won't be enough to use funds for the next project.

  • @christopherdavies3982
    @christopherdavies3982 2 місяці тому +1

    How do you find the fit? Is that a size M/L? How tall are you? I’m 181 and tossing up between a M and and M/L. Not sure if I would get a suitable enough saddle to bar drop on an M/L!

  • @dickieblench5001
    @dickieblench5001 4 місяці тому +3

    TCR SL is stiff AF big difference to the advanced

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      You have ridden both? Which frame do you prefer?

    • @dickieblench5001
      @dickieblench5001 4 місяці тому +1

      Overall the advanced is more useable as it soaks up the road buzz. The SL is best kept for racing and smooth roads! Much less comfortable but the trade off is ultra stiffness and acceleration

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@dickieblench5001 I can never get enough acceleration myself LoL

  • @rg500930
    @rg500930 2 місяці тому

    Are you still going to do a aeroad, propel, tarmac comparison?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  2 місяці тому

      Hopefully before year end.

  • @adrienvidal8689
    @adrienvidal8689 4 місяці тому +1

    Have you ever tried installing the EXS Aerover cockpit on the Giant Propel ? If so, is it safe ?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@adrienvidal8689 Can you elaborate on what you mean by safe? Thanks for watching!

    • @adrienvidal8689
      @adrienvidal8689 4 місяці тому

      In terms of adaptability, is the cockpit suited for the Giant Propel?​@@PatrickLino

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@adrienvidal8689 Yup. The EXS Aerover is compatible with Giant

    • @adrienvidal8689
      @adrienvidal8689 4 місяці тому +1

      ​Ok thanks !

  • @Joost-n9s
    @Joost-n9s 10 днів тому

    Which colour is this frame? Is it the Carbon/Chrome?

  • @jimmyphipps166
    @jimmyphipps166 3 місяці тому

    I am seeing elite and farsports. Which wheels do you like better?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      If the budget allows, Farsports is tough to beat. The wheels specs are great. Elite is falling a little behind, however their price point is more than fair. Cheaper than Farports for that reason.

  • @hannesstein
    @hannesstein 3 місяці тому

    I’m able to get my hands on the same frame (2024) for 1400 USD. That’s really a bargain.
    However, I’m wondering about the headset. From what I understand the stem has to be Giant - but how about the handlebar? Should you not be able to simply mount any 31.8mm aero bar? Have you ever tried mounting something else?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому +1

      @@hannesstein does not have to be a Giant stem. It has to be a stem or cockpit that’s compatible with OD2 sized steer tubes.

    • @MrKipperfish
      @MrKipperfish 23 дні тому

      ​​@@PatrickLino my understanding is the steerer is D shaped, so it's not standard OD2, but rather "Overdrive Aero"🫠. Deda makes a wedge that allows using a round 1-1/4" stem clamp.
      On the subject of tire clearance, can you quantify the clearance gap on the tire sides and top with your tires WAM? There's no clear answer out there and some speculation based on different max tires listed in different regions.

  • @Kevinvanderveken
    @Kevinvanderveken 3 місяці тому

    What size are you rolling? What's your height? Can you compare the Propel to a TCR?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      I have not ridden a TCR...yet.

  • @patrickg9862
    @patrickg9862 3 місяці тому

    Salut , tu aimes beaucoup les roues drive … y a t il vraiment meilleur ?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      The new Magene EXAR DB607: ua-cam.com/video/M7frkeQbW1o/v-deo.htmlsi=AUfg3KaMFi19IquV

  • @jimmynickelz
    @jimmynickelz 4 місяці тому +1

    "Oh cmon"- Taiwan

  • @toastyant4702
    @toastyant4702 4 місяці тому +1

    I definitely prefer my gt over my 911 😂

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Yo let me get a dollar bruh 🤣

    • @toastyant4702
      @toastyant4702 4 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino I mean are 1:16 scale models but I got you lol

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@toastyant4702 hahaha 🤑

  • @frantisekproks3737
    @frantisekproks3737 4 місяці тому

    Hi, what is your height?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      What would you like to know specifically?

    • @frantisekproks3737
      @frantisekproks3737 4 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino Your height vs frame size.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +1

      @@frantisekproks3737 6 feet / size ML

  • @nationsnumber1chump
    @nationsnumber1chump 4 місяці тому

    how much do u weigh?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      Ask what is you really would like to know. ❤

    • @nationsnumber1chump
      @nationsnumber1chump 4 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino is this the 2023 model? I don't see that color on their website anywhere.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому

      @@nationsnumber1chump 2023 (color) model. They release new colors every season. The 2024 design hasn’t changed.

    • @holgerfoysi454
      @holgerfoysi454 3 місяці тому

      @@PatrickLino According to the websites all the newer frames include the mention of 32mm tire clearance. In the past it was 30mm. Either they considered that safe or did a tiny modification at the respective areas.

  • @akitokurosaki7687
    @akitokurosaki7687 3 місяці тому

    IMHO you need longer crank...

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      Please explain...

    • @akitokurosaki7687
      @akitokurosaki7687 3 місяці тому +1

      @@PatrickLino IMHO looking at your body proportion IMHO you will get faster by having more torque because you are not skinny. but,
      looking the way your pedaling motion, you are doing pedaling towards cadence, this is also 1 of pedaling technique but again IMHO this is more suitable for smaller rider. if you are bigger rider, flat terrain and you are more into criterium type of ride then longer crank will definitely give you more benefit.
      FYI i am not bike fit PHD. just a normal rider who changes my ride position & set up frequently.

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  3 місяці тому

      @@akitokurosaki7687 Thanks for chiming in

  • @martyjobs
    @martyjobs 4 місяці тому

    Your stem is too long

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  4 місяці тому +5

      @@martyjobs Speak to my professional bike fitter with over 20 years of experience

  • @Gravelandpave
    @Gravelandpave 26 днів тому

    Hi Patrick,
    I recently bought a Propel Advanced 1 and am considering upgrading the rims, as I’m not entirely comfortable riding hookless. I watched your review of the Yoeleo SAT C60 DB PRO NxT SL2 and wondered what are your favorite wheels for the Propel? Do you think the Yoeleos are worth it?
    Thanks so much!

    • @egilspelniks6179
      @egilspelniks6179 25 днів тому

      Hi ,
      I also wonder what wheels would be the best pick for Propel as a race wheels?

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  25 днів тому +1

      Right now the Yoeleo Pro line of wheels offer the best value from a ready-made set of wheels. Modern rim specs, the versatility from steel spokes, and a very competitive price. Code: "Patty10" gets you 10% off Yoeleo, if that's the direction you decide.

    • @Gravelandpave
      @Gravelandpave 25 днів тому +1

      @@PatrickLino Okay, your review video footage of them made me think they were the ones. The quick response to this question made me pull the trigger to purchase and sub your IG! Thanks, Patrick!

    • @PatrickLino
      @PatrickLino  25 днів тому

      @ Thanks bro! Good stuff right there.