This match had the potential to be epic and the refs blew it. Matt was just getting started! Same thing happened to Sarah @ KOTT 3. Let these athletes fight!
Matt, I watched the match and was yelling at my phone. You looked really strong and your stamina was great. I am sad the referees hijacked the match and didn't let you guys battle.
That's the damn PAL rules, not so much the refs. That last foul was definitely suspect though. They claim there was some daylight, and I saw just a tiny bit in the video from that side angle, but not enough to ever call a foul in any other ruleset. PAL and WAF rules are brutal, especially if you don't pull in WAF-style tournaments often. It's a horrible ruleset for super match formats. Good for large tournaments though, because the micro fouls mean matches can end quickly for almost no reason.
@@maxxxmodelz4061 I get it when you have huge tournaments and the volume of people to weed out. But for super matches I say just let them at it. I mean, the guys in super matches they are training for that specific person. You know what you are walking into. I actually felt bad for both Matt and Tim because eventhough he got the win I am sure that was not how Tim wanted to end that.
Can someone fuckin explain to me what the fuck an elbow SLIGHTLY popping off a pad on the initial shock of the hit even does? CLEARLY lifting an elbow later in a match vs initial hit is two totally differnt things altogether...
When I see the commentary videos I get to see the human that Matt is, in the competitions I get to see the warrior that Matt is. Same as Devon Laratt. Love 'em both. I've never even looked at arm wrestling until a few months ago! They're both great ambassadors.
The problem with refereeing as John Brzenk said is the unpredictable delay before the go. PAL should make sure it's roughly the same amount of time after grip is deemed satisfactory and especially no mumbling from ref until the actual go.
Tim bresnan is a beast , those fouls were bullshit though, I think Matt had tim figured out and he could have won if he didn't get those ridiculous fouls
I have admiration for all athletes that accept a difficult fight under any set of rules, even when they aren't in ideal conditions. Matt Mask in particular here, but also Tim Bresnan and several others who I've watched competing over the years. The greatest legacy is being remembered as a fighter, somebody who'd rather lose than wait - or hide, in some cases.
I hope the big name athletes will start refusing to sign on to PAL/WAF rules so promoters will need to change their events or die out. No more calling micro fouls that do not give an advantage! Another big part of the issue was the massive delay between ready and go...that was 100% the refs fault. Overall this was just a ruined opportunity for an epic match, and likely robbed Matt of a comeback win. I'm glad I didn't buy the PPV, and will not be buying any PAL/WAF PPV's in the future.
I started watching a bit of arm wrestling a couple years back, I never watch a lot, but it was mainly because of Devon, then I watched him vs you, and it was awesome, then i started watching you, don't tell him, but I probably watch you more than Devon now! :D lol, still love Devon though, that was a sick match! cant wait for the next
I would love to here your opinion about setup how difficult was for you Tim and why you couldn't explode at the go as always? Personal opinion I think was a great performance from you both!! a little disappointed by ref...
Man that was a tough and frustrating watch... and I can't even imagine what it must have been like being in that fight. There was no winner in that match. Armwrestling as a sport lost big time.
These rules suck *and* the referees didn't apply them fairly because it's almost impossible. Microfouls ruin armwrestling, both as a sport in itself because of their inconsistency, and as a spectator sport because they frustrate everyone watching.
Matt for sure this is not a loose! one of the best match that show something is not yet working with the rules and/or it application. Maybe we needed that match exactly like it was to settle the debate on the rules and how they apply. ;) Any way great match and i enjoyed a couple of minutes of it for sure :)
Okay we are going to have to see a rematch of this! I don't blame either of you but the refs. These slow starts and hairline fouls where we can't see them from multiple camera angles is awful.
5:44 was such a bs call, then 12:45, was the smallest lift, but elbow never went off the back as the call was made, 17:27 ref said elbow lift before slip, elbow was a bounce from the slip, 22:30 elbow was down
This was the first IFA event I'd ever been to & it was a blast. That room, however, needed some ventilation 😄 Nothing but sweaty man ass filling the air.
This sport will never grow if refs are like this, the only way it grows and these arm wrestlers get paid what they should is to make arm wrestler faster, more action less BS, it's the only way these guys will ever get 7 figure pay checks
It's not the rules. It was the ref. It was the "ready go" style by the ref. If the ref just closed the hands and immediately said one word, "Go!", it would have been a great match, most likely in Matt's favor. But that ref screwed it up with his slow, agonizing "Reeaadyyy...Go."
@@diegolmdb1 You are incorrect, for us to have the perfect plane of that pin, we need to lower the camera view to where the inner and outer edges on top of the pin pad to just match up with each other. This means the top part of the pad should not be visible to us. Since we can clearly see the top part, the angle we have is not perfect and can thus create an illusion that Tim wasn't clearly pinned. Now whether if it was a pin or not, we don't know because we don't have the perfect view of it.
Most frustrating match in a long time. Love you, Matt!
This was painful to watch. Micro fouls are ruining the sport!
Canada is ruining the sport
They vote for blackface wearing leaders that where Nazzzzi uniforms. They also get fouled out in armwrestling.
agreed with Joseph
@@KootBear yep
This match had the potential to be epic and the refs blew it. Matt was just getting started! Same thing happened to Sarah @ KOTT 3. Let these athletes fight!
The floor ref is just awful
Calling every little thing right off the go. Even the last match didn’t see a pin
Never let these refs near a table again
elbow foul was ridiculous
You mean ridiculous to call elbow foul aka there was no elbow foul right?
@@mr.b111 right, outcome might’ve been different if it weren’t for the blind refs
@@prestoncarter6456, the problem isn’t blind refs, it’s delirious refs that see elbow fouls where there aren’t any😂
Matt, I watched the match and was yelling at my phone. You looked really strong and your stamina was great. I am sad the referees hijacked the match and didn't let you guys battle.
That's the damn PAL rules, not so much the refs. That last foul was definitely suspect though. They claim there was some daylight, and I saw just a tiny bit in the video from that side angle, but not enough to ever call a foul in any other ruleset. PAL and WAF rules are brutal, especially if you don't pull in WAF-style tournaments often. It's a horrible ruleset for super match formats. Good for large tournaments though, because the micro fouls mean matches can end quickly for almost no reason.
@@maxxxmodelz4061 I get it when you have huge tournaments and the volume of people to weed out. But for super matches I say just let them at it. I mean, the guys in super matches they are training for that specific person. You know what you are walking into. I actually felt bad for both Matt and Tim because eventhough he got the win I am sure that was not how Tim wanted to end that.
@@maxxxmodelz4061 Rules are just rules, still up to the officials to decide to let it slide under certain circumstances.
WAL referees have more common sense.
@@peyator Not in PAL, they don't let stuff slide. This is how the refs are instructed to run the matches.
Lmao look at tim's "elbow foul" at 17:25
Tf is wrong with these refs
That elbow foul was smaller than the ref’s PP.
The look on Tims face. Priceless
Tim just stares at the down ref in utter disgust 🤣
Can someone fuckin explain to me what the fuck an elbow SLIGHTLY popping off a pad on the initial shock of the hit even does? CLEARLY lifting an elbow later in a match vs initial hit is two totally differnt things altogether...
When I see the commentary videos I get to see the human that Matt is, in the competitions I get to see the warrior that Matt is. Same as Devon Laratt. Love 'em both.
I've never even looked at arm wrestling until a few months ago! They're both great ambassadors.
love the intensity matt you're for sure my favorite arm wrestler
Why? Is he not from Canada? They have a leaders that runs people over with horses and does blackface. #invadecanada
You know the Matt Mask video called Intensity? :D
It's intense
@@HorstEwald what?
@@emfelling8384 the video - it's called Matt Mask Intensity
@@emfelling8384 I forgot a word
The problem with refereeing as John Brzenk said is the unpredictable delay before the go. PAL should make sure it's roughly the same amount of time after grip is deemed satisfactory and especially no mumbling from ref until the actual go.
Actually John brzenk said that all the fouls and the set up is what he likes in an arm wrestling match. Watch his latest video.
And just say go. No ready go. It completely fucks up the anticipation and timing. And is unnecessary.
Don't cheat..
Why are Canadians such cheaters? Side note, why does your authoritarian leader do blackface?
R..E….A……..D….Y……lol that’s why Mask yelled in frustration
Yeah this ref was practically falling asleep. Done my head in
The down ref was REALLY REALLY bad.
You DONT call microfouls. END OF STORY.
Tim bresnan is a beast , those fouls were bullshit though, I think Matt had tim figured out and he could have won if he didn't get those ridiculous fouls
i absolutely love when matt gets fired up
Super disappointed with the refereeing.
I love how intense Matt is!! 🙏💪 fuckin beast
Let's be honest, arm wrestling needs Matt Mask 💪🔥
The ref just needs to say "go" holy fuck. They also screwed Matt on that 4th round wasnt an elbow foul
Yeah it’s almost like that down ref was so excited to call a foul that he saw one that wasn’t there.
He calls these petty fouls all the time unfortunately
Just started heating up too damn. Respect to both of you guys
I have admiration for all athletes that accept a difficult fight under any set of rules, even when they aren't in ideal conditions. Matt Mask in particular here, but also Tim Bresnan and several others who I've watched competing over the years. The greatest legacy is being remembered as a fighter, somebody who'd rather lose than wait - or hide, in some cases.
I hope the big name athletes will start refusing to sign on to PAL/WAF rules so promoters will need to change their events or die out. No more calling micro fouls that do not give an advantage! Another big part of the issue was the massive delay between ready and go...that was 100% the refs fault. Overall this was just a ruined opportunity for an epic match, and likely robbed Matt of a comeback win. I'm glad I didn't buy the PPV, and will not be buying any PAL/WAF PPV's in the future.
What is this refereeing?
Matt was barely warming up. Must be frustrating when the referees get too involved.
Wild Horse! Thanks for posting this bud.
respect, for showing the un-cut / behind-the-scenes, essentially showing tim your game plan (at that time) ballsy!
Tim seems like such a nice and easy going guy while Matt is just so intense... it's a funny combination, honestly. Love both these dudes.
In normal life matt is the most canadian dude around 🤣
good job matt, sad u signed up for the match under pal rules tho...
Much respect to Matt man. Was getting fleeced out there. The energy level is unmatched, keep er going buddy
I like very much at the end when you offer another match!! That's the way to get out of doubt!
I love the madman that comes out during the match. Look forward to seeing you rise in the world rankings
And this exactly why everyone should implement running fowls
Would that be an ostrich?
@@peytonlucy5947 see what you did there 👍
Love how fast Matt blood 🩸 pressure goes from 0 to 100 in seconds
He is the definition of “intensity”.
For those newbies out there... Look up Matt Mask PAL-match vs Brzenk. Almost won against the Goat. Mask will comeback stronger.
@@christopher2001 he didnt embarrass himself... look it up, think he took atleast 1 round vs goat
@@icephoenix1024 think he got 2 actually, not sure though
@@jameswebb3410 someone said to John that noone Can hook matt so John tried and failed if he was only going outside he would lose one Max
U don't sound too different from a newbie yourself
@@pallin2198 I am no nerd expert who has all matches in history in my head, but yes in that regard I am more newbie then expert.
I've never seen an arm look so pumped
Never Quit !!! Keep going ……. great job !!!!
that chalk in the carton box down is epic
whatd matt and mask say about 'lucky' at the end? i cant quite make it out
We need to ban together and eliminate these type of refs!!! Who’s with me? Let this ref’s name be known! He needs to be banned
Wow that wasn't even a micro foul, they've literally called the Ulna the elbow. That's theft.
Love how you handled it though.
I always enjoy watching Matt and Tim also.. sucks the way it went but love both you guys 💯 next time man 💪
Always love watching the greats armwrestle and there always has to be a winner. I love watching Tim as much as I do you Matt. It was his time that day
Bad refs poor rules great arm wrestlers
I started watching a bit of arm wrestling a couple years back, I never watch a lot, but it was mainly because of Devon, then I watched him vs you, and it was awesome, then i started watching you, don't tell him, but I probably watch you more than Devon now! :D lol, still love Devon though, that was a sick match! cant wait for the next
I would love to here your opinion about setup how difficult was for you Tim and why you couldn't explode at the go as always? Personal opinion I think was a great performance from you both!! a little disappointed by ref...
He tried to explode on the end but they called fouls
Great content
Man that was a tough and frustrating watch... and I can't even imagine what it must have been like being in that fight.
There was no winner in that match.
Armwrestling as a sport lost big time.
@Art of War Arm Wrestling - That's the whole point, those rules suck. Do you find it hard to understand, or just another troll.
These rules suck *and* the referees didn't apply them fairly because it's almost impossible. Microfouls ruin armwrestling, both as a sport in itself because of their inconsistency, and as a spectator sport because they frustrate everyone watching.
Matt, you are a champion....it's not important if you lose or win...you are a Crazy Champion. Big fan from Italy!
I repeat over and over......."wildhorse for life"
Bullshit calls there Matt that was your match. Take it out on Prudnik
Matt Mask looks like the buff grim reaper, Ryan Espy looks like fucking Bowser. Tim Bresnan looks like Hagrid.
💪
WOOOW Tim with the footstomps lol
Big up to my man!! Keep going keep training and keep your eye on the target. Let this fire you man come on!!
At 5:26 Matt said what we are all thinking. 💪
great battle!
The wild in the horse instantly comes out
HE DID GET LUCKY MATT .
Any where else he would have lost bad . Thank you Shawn for capturing the truth. Great Job guys
Ryan is a good corner man. Calm and supportive. He gave Matt the right advice. Hold and tire Tim instead of hitting.
The intensity makes me wanna watch armwrestling all the time. 👌🏻🇨🇦👍🏼💪🏻
Finally the other ones were all cuts and edited, highlights. Mask!! Pal rules are terrible.
Are they allowed to step on /stomp each others feet?
So is the footstomping at 9 minutes standard rules or what?
Tough match..awesome stuff Tim and Matt..
G’day to Ryan..good to see him in your corner.
What's going on with the feet at 18:55 I get that Matt catches his foot but then Tim seems to try to stomp on Matt's foot back? Is this normal/legit?
agree
Gosto de ver o Matt irritado quando ganha uma partida hahaha parabéns pelo trabalho Matt 👏🏻
It's so clear where Matt gets all of his energy from the moment you see him reach in that box full of cocaine.
Wow. It’s amazing to see Tim Bresnan still going and pinning Matt Mask is crazy.
24:25 camera angle way up high "you can see daylight", what a joke lol
Matt for sure this is not a loose! one of the best match that show something is not yet working with the rules and/or it application. Maybe we needed that match exactly like it was to settle the debate on the rules and how they apply. ;)
Any way great match and i enjoyed a couple of minutes of it for sure :)
Two athlete's who are legends
And Matt Is a part timer! Loved Tim and Matt especially....but wow that ref, he ruined the match!
This os why i love the kott original rules
They are EPIC for supermatch
Wow where did they find those referees?
Man just START THE DAMN MATCH
This was more like: Matt Mask & Tim Bresnan vs The Refs
Keep your head up Matt, you'll come back stronger.
WILDEST AND CRAZIEST HORSE AROUND BABY!!!
Hey Matt what you think went wrong when you pulled Tim?
I’m confused… where’s the elbow foul?
wow very nice!
what a joy to watch.
"Don't fucking touch me!"
Wow, I never realized how tall Mask was till he walked through that doorway !
Okay we are going to have to see a rematch of this! I don't blame either of you but the refs. These slow starts and hairline fouls where we can't see them from multiple camera angles is awful.
5:44 was such a bs call, then 12:45, was the smallest lift, but elbow never went off the back as the call was made, 17:27 ref said elbow lift before slip, elbow was a bounce from the slip, 22:30 elbow was down
Can say any better. Reffing ruined this match
He is just to fast.
Always will be the People's Champ, Matt. Stay positive brother!
This was the first IFA event I'd ever been to & it was a blast. That room, however, needed some ventilation 😄
Nothing but sweaty man ass filling the air.
Stunning Matt 👏👍
I want the 2 minutes of my life back
19:17 THANK YOU! hahaha, that was a shameful intentional foul from Tim
19:16 No matt, thankyou for the awesome content!
Soon Tim knows he's gonna lose he lets go. Rididculous
This sport will never grow if refs are like this, the only way it grows and these arm wrestlers get paid what they should is to make arm wrestler faster, more action less BS, it's the only way these guys will ever get 7 figure pay checks
So who won?
Those starts were killing the match, just say go they were ready!
9:00 Look at that feet beating, wheow
The ref with the hat is literally the worst ref I’ve seen. Calling the most bs things ever and that last pin wasn’t a pin.
It's not the rules. It was the ref. It was the "ready go" style by the ref. If the ref just closed the hands and immediately said one word, "Go!", it would have been a great match, most likely in Matt's favor. But that ref screwed it up with his slow, agonizing "Reeaadyyy...Go."
Ref needs to get glasses...
how did tim feel?
You are my favorite armwrestler Matt. This match was frustrating and annoying to behold.... Must have felt like shit to be in it.
God...these refs man. Killing it as a spectator sport.
Does PAL stand for Pointless Armwrestling League or Probably-a-foul and no real matches League?
I think the elbow foul was BS, but I also think Tim has a case of not being a pin at 26:12
It was a pin in my opinion, the camera angle may have given a different impression.
@@vaderetro264 ... no it wasn't check the footage at 0.25 speed, you can see the other side of the table at all time.
@@diegolmdb1 You are incorrect, for us to have the perfect plane of that pin, we need to lower the camera view to where the inner and outer edges on top of the pin pad to just match up with each other. This means the top part of the pad should not be visible to us.
Since we can clearly see the top part, the angle we have is not perfect and can thus create an illusion that Tim wasn't clearly pinned. Now whether if it was a pin or not, we don't know because we don't have the perfect view of it.
@@diegolmdb1 I watched many matches with that sort of camera angle, it was a pin almost certainly.
@@XeMeow that makes sense!