BRM Maliko Parawing 4m Lake Ontario The Reality of the First Session in Light Wind

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  • @dcharlton07
    @dcharlton07 2 місяці тому +7

    Thanks for this! Love how you showed the good, the bad and the ugly.

  • @IRWE905
    @IRWE905 2 місяці тому +14

    Looks like you need a minimum of 15 kts + with a 4m with your set up. Thanks for posting your 1st run. I learnt a lot and hope to put it to good use :)

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +2

      Next time will try the Helium 1750 in similar conditions. 🤙

    • @czankzoltan
      @czankzoltan 2 місяці тому +2

      @@foilthegreatsso you still have that!😊

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      Still have all my Takuma foils 😁

  • @rain44u
    @rain44u 2 місяці тому +5

    Thanks for showing the hole backstage, not only "fuck yeahh!!!" moment, brother! Inspired by your experience!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Can’t wait to spend more time on it! 🤙

  • @DrewInBrissie
    @DrewInBrissie 2 місяці тому +3

    Geeees, looks like a lot of hard work. Gold star for effort and perseverance. Thanks for sharing. Great to see innovation and as always the early adopters pay the price until the designs and products mature to make it easy and safe. I'll stick with my kite for foiling until this sport matures some more. Talking about safe, I could see that short leg rope whiplashing the board back in your face after a speedy crash. I use the Oceanus board leash so I don't lose my board and find it ideal as the feed out rope is a few metres long with only a mild recoil so it doesn't ever spring back like the rubber bungy ones.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Next time will use bigger foil for these type of conditions. Should make it much easier. My leash is a 5’ and doesn’t really spring back just really short.

  • @sadorno
    @sadorno 2 місяці тому +3

    That was awesome. My favorite part is when you got on foil the first time I was thinking “f¥Ck yeah” and then you said it.
    Nice work
    I got the 5’ and it’s been 22 knots every day so waiting for 15 but been playing on the beach and it’s got some grunt wow.
    Ordering a 4 when they become available again.
    Nice work 🤙🏼

  • @Team33Team33
    @Team33Team33 2 місяці тому +3

    Nice video and great going !
    Reminds me of the afternoons I spent falling off a windsurfer until I got planing ! Never looked back.
    Apart from being easy to carry, I'd still windsurf in that kind of wind.

  • @loloosteo2259
    @loloosteo2259 2 місяці тому +3

    Thanks for the Realistic 1 st users experience. Help a lot to see what gear and conditions it will need .

  • @OneOfManySams
    @OneOfManySams 2 місяці тому +2

    I have to say this looked like a serious struggle but what sport worth doing is easy off the bat, I'm sure the lack of wind didn't help. When you did get up and packed it up in your hands the potential was there to see. Can't wait to see your progression

  • @windsurfpeche
    @windsurfpeche 2 місяці тому +3

    good reality check ! thanks

  • @scp8412
    @scp8412 2 місяці тому +3

    Well that did not take long to get one buddy! :D Good stuff!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I was onboard the second I saw the release vid 🤙

  • @larrycollar1322
    @larrycollar1322 2 місяці тому +1

    Watching you struggle with this new wing reminds me of my first experience with a trainer kite. Instead of getting it caught on the nose of the board and surface of the water I kept tangling my lines in tree limbs. Not much manicured lawn or unused open space near where I live. After several different tries I decided a hand held wing would be much easier for me to learn. More wind would probably be helpful but the learning curve looks to be fairly steep.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      More wind and bigger foil would help. It feels a little harder to learn than the wing. Wing is a static object which makes it much easier to handle when not up on foil. All part of the fun and when in stow mode makes it all worth it to me.

  • @montecitourbanfarms
    @montecitourbanfarms 2 місяці тому +3

    Nice job👏👏wait until you get some real wind you will be flying 🤩

  • @marksalvage5704
    @marksalvage5704 2 місяці тому +1

    Well done..looks hard to learn but will get easier with time

  • @kadirhaldenbilen6149
    @kadirhaldenbilen6149 2 місяці тому +2

    Great video. Much better and educative than promo videos. Looks like some "power" is missing. Wind is too light for that small foil. Appreciate your effort to try to get the best out of it. I am sure you will like it at better winds.

  • @atomicsmith
    @atomicsmith 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow great to see the reality vs The promo videos! Looks like these need steady, non-turbulent wind…
    Also it looks like a longer control bar might help stabilize the wing? It often looks like the wing is over leveraging the control bar…

  • @kevinshy1933
    @kevinshy1933 2 місяці тому +3

    Damn! The struggle is real. You look to be a competent foiler and yet it wasn’t easy. I learned to kite at the same time as the richman brothers. I remember Jesse kiting with a trainer kite and a twintip. This discipline looks like a steeper learning curve. I would prefer using the parawing for downwinding only. Upwind doesn’t really seem worth the effort to me but others may disagree. Give an update as you progress.Thanks for sharing.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +5

      I should have been on a bigger foil. My use case is to drive upwind and stow for wave riding. I’ll continue to video and share my progress. Thanks for watching!

    • @aminefadous5875
      @aminefadous5875 2 місяці тому +2

      @@foilthegreats your an inspiration Marlon 🤙🤙🤙

    • @laughteraddict1003
      @laughteraddict1003 2 місяці тому +1

      Don't quit

  • @christoph4333
    @christoph4333 2 місяці тому +1

    thanks for posting

  • @fluiditynz
    @fluiditynz 2 місяці тому +1

    Good to see the low end. I couldn't help wondering though, if you can swing it back and forth (a bit like)like a kite to pick up more fresh wind.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I will try that on my next session

  • @MrHUGOLADEIRA
    @MrHUGOLADEIRA Місяць тому +1

    great video!
    when i have 15 knots or less, i can only fly with a 6m wing, i guess to use a parawing, i'll need something like 18+

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому +1

      It all depends on board and foil used. I am still figuring it all out.

  • @williamedwards4200
    @williamedwards4200 2 місяці тому +1

    I feel much better after seeing you slogging around. I guess it happens to even the best.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      If you’re not failing you’re not learning.

  • @jeromeullmann2157
    @jeromeullmann2157 2 місяці тому +1

    Bravo ! Only need some wind !

  • @Steve_Just_Steve
    @Steve_Just_Steve 2 місяці тому +1

    That looks hard as all get out. I better stay behind the boat!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      Will by way easier in the proper conditions

  • @maca5645
    @maca5645 2 місяці тому +1

    Big thanks for the reality check!!!
    I have seen plenty of your vids, i know how you rip on wing and surfoil so this is very sobering :)
    I have a SUPfoil board 5'10 x 28 x 117ltr that would probably make the first sessions less tiring.
    Those DW shapes have little static stability and the small flat bottom generates very little dynamic stability too...a more lunch tray type board becomes rock solid once it moves even slow.
    My 5.9 x 17 x 75ltr midlenght took some learning to ride with the wing because of this.
    I have watched vids (Steve Tobis i think) in which he said he preferred a wider,les pure DW shape for the Parawing.
    Maybe your Appletree (you had a floaty one?) would work better,with more wind of course.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for the comment. I’ll definitely will be trying all the different boards I have. Looking forward to the next session!

  • @toddn4813
    @toddn4813 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you

  • @jagorynych3928
    @jagorynych3928 2 місяці тому +2

    Спасибо большое за видео! Я хотел купить такое крыло для SUP Борда для катания на волне. Wing мне не нравится из за насоса и веса. По вашему видео всё хорошо видно как ведёт себя парус. Спасибо👍👍👍

    • @mm74forums7
      @mm74forums7 Місяць тому

      У винга вес обычно отрицательный, если хоть какой-то ветер есть, узлов 8-10. А если нет, то можно поставить "ухом" на СУП, как парус.
      А что за СУП? С фойлом?

  • @slappysurf
    @slappysurf 2 місяці тому +1

    For water relaunching single skin kites it's best to just lay it on it's back so the wind is catching the curl and holding it up, then you just lay it all out and tension up the lines. No clue if that works with the BRM one though.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      It does work when the wind is good

  • @robp3431
    @robp3431 Місяць тому +1

    Not cut out for gusty light winds and flat lake, but at least you got to make a video 🙂

  • @trevorjones3530
    @trevorjones3530 Місяць тому +1

    Whoaa...Benny Hill is alive!

  • @JonnyTwofifty
    @JonnyTwofifty 2 місяці тому +1

    Good stuff. I can't help but thinking that if they fitted an inflatable leading edge it would be so much easier...

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      The whole point is to be able to stow and ride freely. Would defeat the purpose.

  • @AndyCaska
    @AndyCaska 2 місяці тому +2

    I have the 5.1. I'm 87kg.
    I'd say 15 to 25 knots...they need WIND and like to be powered.

  • @johnbell1810
    @johnbell1810 2 місяці тому +1

    this looks pretty much like a a two line stunt kite. i am looking to try similar, but will need 10+ knots.

  • @twidmer
    @twidmer 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow. After you put on the silks I am impressed with your patience. I learned a lot that when things get bad, just as long as you are not too tangled, just focus on line management and also make sure the wind is nuking.

    • @twidmer
      @twidmer 2 місяці тому +1

      Great ride!!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Ya, patience is key. I never let go of the kite the whole time. I didn’t really have much issue getting tangled. Just need more wind. Can’t wait to dial everything in!

  • @qa1e2r4
    @qa1e2r4 2 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting adventure. As someone with zero experience or much of any knowledge about windsurfing/kiting.
    Don't you think that if the ropes of the Kyte go through the handle bar and are able to be pulled through.
    Essentially what you do with your hand to group the ropes but use the handle for the same purpose that way you can adjust the length of the ropes to specific wind conditions.
    Just as someone experienced commented under already. Longer ropes will be better in lower wind.
    And it seems you are forced to straighten the ropes after every fall either way.
    Maybe even connect the handle to your wrist and by simply pulling the ropes through it they can be easily straightened and once of the water you release the ropes to optimal length.
    And how likely is it to get tangled up in the ropes and impare your mobility. Can you get tangled up badly enough to drawn?
    Like if you fall over the kite and lines?
    Cheers and enjoyed the video.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      I’m sure we will see many innovations with this type of product. Exciting times. Biggest factor for me is need more wind and/or use a bigger foil. I have added a knife to my equipment if I ever have to cut my self out of the lines. It is definitely a danger.

    • @qa1e2r4
      @qa1e2r4 2 місяці тому

      @@foilthegreats wouldn't a paddle be ideal for under 15knts wind then, or maybe the ultimate tool a paddle that can transform into a Kyte?(Or a Kyte that can paddle!?!)😆
      This wing seems very thin you could definitely hoist it into a tube of a paddle or have the handle break in 2 and the Kyte comes of in the middle.
      Would that be something practical and usable or I am way off the mark?

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I’m sure it’s possible. My use case is to drive upwind, stow and ride waves. Next time in these type of conditions I will use a bigger foil. Should get me up and riding pretty easily.

  • @Harold-i7j
    @Harold-i7j Місяць тому

    Greg say put your hands 🙌 on the same side, the green (front line)

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому

      I have found I like to keep my hands wider

  • @scottbrechbiel2889
    @scottbrechbiel2889 2 місяці тому +1

    Looks like the lines cause a delay when you try to pump like a regular hand wing. Throwing you off balance. Maybe more of a board pump technique would work better. 🤷‍♂️ great job I’m impressed light wind, 4m, smaller foil and got up in under 20min.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      You can really only pump the board. Even if it looks like it, I’m just trying to not crash the kite and pump the board as hard as possible going straight downwind looking for a bump assist to get up on foil.

  • @clickbaitnumberone1403
    @clickbaitnumberone1403 2 місяці тому +1

    At least you made a good fitness unit.

  • @nickrhodes3378
    @nickrhodes3378 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the realistic video. Did you manage to not lose ground while slogging?

    • @fathomfathom
      @fathomfathom 2 місяці тому +1

      If you have enough wind to fly it at the front window then slogging upwind is straightforward. If fluky wind and you're struggling just to keep it flying then downwind you go

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      100%

  • @bleeper808
    @bleeper808 2 місяці тому +1

    How much wind and what's your weight? thanks for the vid

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Started off around 15kts and dropped from there. I’m 87kg

  • @janschenk85
    @janschenk85 2 місяці тому +1

    f@ck Yeah!

  • @foilsurfmachines
    @foilsurfmachines 2 місяці тому +1

    Can you create power like a kite to get going? Mini sine strokes instead of pumping like a wing.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I don’t think so because the lines are so short but time will tell. I don’t have a kite background so this is all new to me.

    • @foilsurfmachines
      @foilsurfmachines 2 місяці тому +2

      @@foilthegreats you cannot pump a kite, the lines go slack, so you fly it up and even backwards, then swoop it forward and down to generate a power bust. The trick is not slamming it into the water on the downward power swoop. It should make a tiny bit of power with the parawing.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for the detail, I will give it a try.

  • @UndoneEV
    @UndoneEV Місяць тому

    What's a recommended beginner setup for an area that has predictable 10kt winds? Total newb. Some sailing background and some kayaking....

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому +1

      I would seek out some lessons. You can progress pretty quickly out of beginner gear and save yourself a ton of cash.

    • @UndoneEV
      @UndoneEV Місяць тому +1

      @@foilthegreats great idea. Why didn't I think of that.

  • @GleepGlop2
    @GleepGlop2 2 місяці тому

    Does this have any potential as a deployable sail for paddleboarding downwind? I don't foil but i wonder if this would work on a paddleboard the way ive seen some people use wings on a pboard.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Yes, that would work just like a wing would.

  • @dlmsarge8329
    @dlmsarge8329 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm just waiting for some innovative individual to put 15m lines on one of these foils and hacksaw the thing under his boad off to get a more exciting ride!!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      19:00 is why I do it. No interest in kiting. I could have easily been ripping around with a wing. Just need to figure out the right gear setup. Next time will use bigger foil.

    • @dlmsarge8329
      @dlmsarge8329 2 місяці тому

      @@foilthegreats You are certainly entitled to enjoy an inferior technology wrapped up as the newest trend.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +3

      All I want to do is ride upwind, stow and ride waves. Cant do that with any other tool.

  • @slappysurf
    @slappysurf 2 місяці тому +1

    Did you manage to stay upwind while slogging or were you losing ground?

  • @Rafabi78
    @Rafabi78 27 днів тому

    do you think in this 15 knts maybe a 5m or 6m will worked better?

  • @nguyensurf
    @nguyensurf 2 місяці тому +1

    I got a better idea, how's about dockstart with that thing🎉🎉🎉

  • @jonnp91
    @jonnp91 2 місяці тому

    What volume is your board and what is your weight? It looks like your board is +5 or +10L correct?

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I’m 87kg and board is 7’ 19” 100L

    • @wingfoilrentals
      @wingfoilrentals 2 місяці тому +1

      Really amazing skills to balance that hull design board at 87kg. 100ltrs that’s got to be borderline safety out there 😮

  • @tettok8431
    @tettok8431 2 місяці тому +3

    I have kited for 15 years since it started in 1999 but stop & now Wing & pump. I think this paraWing lines are a bit too short for this wind speed. BRM may be still experimenting with the length of lines for safety & efficiency of how it should fly. Longer lines (like extensions) if wind speed decreases …may be offered in the future.
    Noticed you were pumping the paraWing…it is still like a power kite…it needed to be swooped back & forth like “sine” wave to generate a pull but lines are so short it may not make any differences. I will try to convert my trainer Ozone 3.5 m ram air to short lines and try at local spot to surprise the people who still kite…ha ha ha!!

    • @tittok6156
      @tittok6156 Місяць тому

      Updated..I was able to go upwind on my converted Ozone 3.5 m but not enuf to pop on foil..tried 3 sessions. Decided to order BRM 5.1 M w/no tax on 9/02..ship 9/10 tho..can’t wait!!!

  • @FoilWays
    @FoilWays 2 місяці тому +4

    I mean, I think it's just not windy enough. Coming from kiting, I wouldn't expect a 4.0 on short lines to produce enough power in anything less than 25 knots.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +2

      I have no kite experience. I would have used my 3.5m wing with either of those foils in those conditions. I wanted to see how comparable it is. Next time I would used the Helium 1750 and think I’d get up pretty easy. I didn’t mind all the slogging as it’s just a good opportunity for me to learn the handling and relaunch.

    • @FoilWays
      @FoilWays 2 місяці тому +1

      @@foilthegreats Ohh, if it's windy enough for a 3.5m wing, then it's pretty windy, even on the DW board. But I can probably scale it by numbers. Regular foilboard vs regular kite with a twin-tip it's about 1:2. So, say for example you are on 60L foilboard and 4m wing, a kite on 25m lines and twintip board would need about an 8m kite. If you shorten the lines, you lose power, so you need more kite. So, yeah, I would think that for a 4.0 kite to pull you on a DW board you'd definitely need a bit more wind. Maybe not much more, since it's a DW board... but yeah, a bit more. Again, just an educated guess based on my kite background.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for the details! Was around 15kts and dropped from there. When I did get up I had a bump assist and basically took off how a DW rider with a paddle would do. Had enough pressure with the kite to keep me moving and as the bump hit and started pumping the foil. Definitely needed much more wind for the kite just to pull me up and out.

  • @markussch.2417
    @markussch.2417 2 місяці тому

    Not afraid to drop it and it flies away? I didnt see a leash from the wing to your Body?!

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      I never dropped it but no it will not fly far.

    • @markussch.2417
      @markussch.2417 2 місяці тому +1

      @@foilthegreats alright :)

  • @Steve_Just_Steve
    @Steve_Just_Steve 2 місяці тому

    Is this harder to do than those inflatable wings?

  • @Axel-gn2ii
    @Axel-gn2ii Місяць тому

    What's your gear and weight?

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому

      KT 7’ 100L. AFS Silk 1050. I’m 87kg

  • @shakrmaker
    @shakrmaker Місяць тому

    Did Greg tell you to pump the Pwing? I've never seen him do that. It just seems like you are disturbing the Pwing profile by trying to pump it like a regular inflatable wing. Same in paragliding.. and snowkiting you don't want oscillations like that in the canopy or the AOA. Pump the board, not the wing. Will also put a lot less stress on the Pwing ribs. Cheers

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому

      I am not trying to pump the Pwing, it is just a side affect when heavily pumping the foil & board.

    • @shakrmaker
      @shakrmaker Місяць тому

      @@foilthegreats Try to keep your arms straight when you're pumping the board. It looked like you were doing bicep curls ;)
      ua-cam.com/video/LhlIUZgWdE4/v-deo.html

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому

      Looks to me like what I did worked great, got me up on foil. Ya, if enough wind in the Pwing sure let it pull me up and pump the board slightly. I am super underpowered in the video and anything I can do to drive momentum forward should be done.

    • @shakrmaker
      @shakrmaker Місяць тому

      @@foilthegreats check your attempted pumping in the timecode link I sent in my prior reply. The Pwing is collapsing and losing its wing profile with all that arm disturbance. Think of when you snowkite in marginal conditions with a soft ram air snowkite or you paraglide and foot launch off a hill, if you do either of those sports. To generate drive and lift the canopy must be quiet so it preserves its shape. If yanking the lines around worked, you'd see PG pilots yanking their ABC lines around during launch, but they don't. Anyway, best of luck Greg makes great products.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  Місяць тому

      Sorry, I’m on mobile and your time code link doesn’t work. Thought you were referring to 19:00 ya, no kite experience here and this is my first session trying anything and everything. It does feel like that you can slightly pump or leverage the Pwing to pull yourself up. Thanks for the tips 🤙

  • @ctrlb4213
    @ctrlb4213 2 місяці тому +4

    So what you’re telling me is the pros with top level skills riding these in perfect conditions make these look easier than it is?

    • @aminefadous5875
      @aminefadous5875 2 місяці тому

      Funny enough he’s Sandbanks top rider

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +4

      I should have used a much bigger foil for these conditions. If winging in those conditions I would have been on either of those foils with a 3.5m wing. I wanted to see how comparable it is.

    • @CFL_Foiler
      @CFL_Foiler 2 місяці тому

      @@foilthegreatswhat was the wind speed? I don’t see any white caps so guessing 15 or less.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I’d say 15kts and dropped from there.

    • @CFL_Foiler
      @CFL_Foiler 2 місяці тому

      thanks@@foilthegreats I think you should add that to description. Helpful for folks gauging the challenge of this new discipline. Learning any new wind sport when under powered is a challenge. It was true for windsurfing, kiting, and winging so no surprise that it’s a challenge for a pocket wing. Bet you will have a blast when it’s 15-20.
      Looks like you managed the lines well, is there a time stamp for when you actually got on foil?
      Enjoy your new toy!

  • @jtechie3
    @jtechie3 2 місяці тому

    I would get a Hobie CAt

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      I’ll stick with the foil, thanks

  • @autokanada
    @autokanada 2 місяці тому +1

    i think having small electric motor located at the top of the foil mast would be much beneficial than these wings. motor would give you boost enough for get out of the water and then turn off : PS: I do not wing foil.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Check out Foil Drive it is exactly what you described. I prefer to stay wind powered and not have to deal with the weight penalty a system like that imposes. I was just on the wrong size gear for conditions. More videos to come!

    • @twidmer
      @twidmer 2 місяці тому +1

      @@foilthegreatsI used my fd with my 6.2. Only way I got up. Winds were light and I was supplementing around 30 percent motor to wind. I got the gist of flying it, but even with the 6.2 I would want 20 knots. The bigger size would get stuck to the water too easy and was way too big to relaunch off the board.

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому +1

      I always preferred using a bigger DW style board and bigger foil over using bigger wing. I can see that size being not easy to handle when in the water. Good idea using both at the same time to get the hang of it. Enjoy being a pioneer!

  • @autokanada
    @autokanada 2 місяці тому

    it is all bad and ugly with this parachute :)

    • @foilthegreats
      @foilthegreats  2 місяці тому

      Check out 19:00 makes it all worth learning

  • @섣달그믐-d5p
    @섣달그믐-d5p 2 місяці тому +1

    The wind is too weak to fly the wing.