Did Earnie Shavers or George Foreman hit harder? Leroy Caldwell, who fought both, gives his take
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2016
- Leroy Caldwell who fought many great heavyweights talks about some of his wars. Of particular interest, he discusses the punching power of both George Foreman and Earnie Shavers. Jeff Mayweather helps out
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I've just heard that Leroy passed away in February and did a little research online.
A gofundme page created last August stated that:
'His medical condition has him on oxygen, lost over 100 lbs and can barely walk. He and his wife are facing eviction and her job is just not enough.'
I was very sorry to read this.
RIP Leroy.
Thank you for your post about Leroy...
I am happy that Leroy manage to take all the punches and still has all his faculties and speaks well, he must have been a very tough man.
Exactly! Well said
He looks like a very tough man.
Don't do drugs and dodge
Does make you tough, makes you lucky. Plus he must have not sparred heavy lots
They was made different back when
Leroy might have lost some of those big fights but to listen to him talk he sounds like a winner. He is well spoken and dosen't sound like he
Is punch drunk or has any memory issues. Im glad he has fared well and wish him the best, he sounds like a good man trying to help keep the kids off the streets.
yup
Good to learn about Leroy Caldwell. Guys like this are precious and I am glad Leroy is still with us.
❤ABSOLUTELY ‼️‼️
Spot on
"If Jesus Christ needed a bodyguard, he should call for Earnie Shavers." - One of the greatest boxing quotes ever,
Quarry beat Shavers in 1 round.
Last prophet of Almighty who is happened to be Muhammed s.a.v ! His cousin who was one of his first followers while he was 13 years old ! He turned out to be his One of his bodyguard in the battles when he got older ! His sword was 125 kg ( 275 lb )
Imagine a man using a sword heavier then George foreman !
So Muhammed Ali took his names from these guys !
Muhammed ( seal of the prophets ) and his cousin Ali ( lion of Allah )
I believe that eesa ( pbuh ) ( aka Jesus ) needed a bodyguard like Ali !
But Allah got something maybe even better then Ali ! It is Hz Mehdi !
When eesa ( pbuh ) return back the world he will be supported by Hz Mehdi !
Earnie was a security guard lol.
Jesus had a bodyguard and that bodyguard was God almighty
Shavers is my cousin!
Good for Leroy that he seems sharp and happy and speaks clearly. Gettin' hit by Ernie Shavers and big George is enough to scramble you forever. Really does make you wonder what Leroy could have done with a proper team. He must have been a hell of a naturally talented guy.
Very well spoken for a Man who fought all of the heavy hitters
I'm saying, dude fought everybody.
He didn't fight Joe Frazier, Bob Foster or Mac Foster, three of the hardest hitters of the 70's.
Bob Foster was a great light heavyweight but too small and light to compete at heavyweight.
If shavers.was the hardest puncher Holmes would have never gotten up when he got hit by shavers best punch see Tyson v Holmes Foreman hit harder
@@franksantucci3038 Larry holmes said that earnie shavers hit him the hardest. when he fought Tyson he had just came back from 2 years retirement, he was old and out of shape.
Not only did Leroy say Shavers, he said by far. Which makes you truly wonder how hard did that guy actually hit?
For real though. To hit harder than george foreman AT ALL is already a hell of an accomplishment but to hit harder than him BY FAR is just pure insanity. I can’t believe larry holmes was able to get up after getting hit in the face by that.
Shavers started boxing at 25 can one imagine what he would have been if he started in his early teens as ali did. As for holmes getting up, he could take a punch.
Earnie Shavers is the hardest hitting man ever. Of course his power was unbelievable
@@3ncore706 I believe Holmes said that the contact with Shavers's fist knocked him out, but then the contact with the canvas was hard enough to wake him back up. That's just insane.
He said how hard he hit. Like a sledgehammer. I don't think he was just trying to be funny there lol.....
This is why boxers are the Best People......Love and Respect from the UK.
When a fighter says that with no hesitation and didnt even have to think about it you know he is telling the truth. When they asked Holyfield who hit him the hardest he said Foreman with no hesitation. When they asked Foreman who hit him the hardest he said Ron Lyle with no hesitation
Because Foreman never fought Shavers, Caldwell fought all of them, so did Ali but he beat them all, also he got a beating from them all.
It could also depend on how hard they hit, on a particular night
And shavers said that Lyle hit him the hardest lol
@@rashedalsuwaidi3648 He claimed he hit him so hard he could feel it on his death bed
@@rashedalsuwaidi3648 and lyle said shavers hits him the hardest and vice versa
He regrets not having a proper manager or trainer but imo, he doesnt seem to suffer from any speech disorder or brain damage like so many of those he fought. Id choose longevity over fame any day
When a man punches you in the face so hard that your toes hurt, it's a pretty clear choice 😂
Ali was never the same after the Shavers fight😱
I am sad to have to give this comment a thumbs up.
One of my favorite bouts! Crazy how Ali took those shots! Dude had a serious chin! RIP Ali The Greatest of All Time.
He only had 4 fights after Shavers and one of them was regaining the Title. Dumb Comment.
Ali had no business being in the ring at that point in his career. He was already speaking slow and slightly slurred.
That might be true, but he was physically past it when he fought Frazier the third time. Ali said it was the closest he'd been to death.
I remember reading the autobiography of Muhammad Ali and, I remember Ali sayjng as a youth and, all he saw were big slowfooted, lumbering, slumbering heavyweights standing in front of each other...just beggin to be knocked out! He said he wanted to be a Heavyweight but, be as fast as Sugar Ray Robinson! For the most part, even his worst critics...would admit that he achieved that in all respects! Now...this situation over who hit harder Foreman or Shavers...they both could hit hard! the difference was technical soundness! Had Foreman been able to box better, with the strength that he had...he could very well have beaten Ali "against the ropes" in Zaire! Shavers could box better than Foreman but, he didn't have the good follow up technique he needed when he had Ali in trouble! He had his chance! He even realized that he should have put more pressure on Ali...Earlier! They both hit as hard as a mule could kick and, don't forget Ron Lyle...who Punished both of them!
Foreman was actually very skilled, as he was an expert in controlling and manipulating an opponent's guard with hand and arm traps, but I hear what you're saying about his punch technique. It could have been better.
Shavers died yesterday, I was randomly searching him up 2 days back in Google.. RIP
Awesome interview with a man that boxed in era of boxing known as probably one of the best ever, just the names he mentioned says it all. I was fortunate to watch many of those fights on Wide World of Sports or Sports Spectacular on Saturday.
So, from my understanding of Leroy Caldwell's analogy.
George Foreman's punches delayed upon impact.
As for Earnie Shavers he had short burst of power when he shot punches because his style was tighter than Foreman's which allowed for consistent left and right punches. So, Earnie had volume over Foreman's brawling.
Something I'd like to point out is that George Foreman and Earnie Shavers both have 68 WINS BY KO
Ali, Lyle, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young and Holmes stated that Shavers is the hardest puncher they've ever faced. In addition, Foreman was not only more skilled than Shavers, he had better ring generalship and defense. Also, Foreman was in better physical condition and had far greater resistance to punishment and a better chin. If Lyle had these same attributes as Foreman,, it's likely he would've been a world champion. Shavers often fought in the low 200s as a heavyweight, however, his power punches were.faster than Foreman's. Power= strength+speed. A similar comparison can be made with Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson. While both boxers were ko artists, Gerald was a punishing, thudding puncher like Golovkin in recent years. Jackson was mostly lighter in weight than both and delivered his punches faster but with similar strength, that's why he had devastating one punch knockouts and is generally considered the hardest middleweight puncher ever.
Shavers was a pressure fighter like Tyson : get close and use the whole body in a explosive fashion to put the opponent down with a destructive punch , this is the style that allow the best use of your power but drain your stamina and put you at the most risks . Foreman was more about distance management and using insane powerful reach to counter ( best example of his style is the fight against Frazier who got destroyed by ducking when trying to pressure Foreman ) . But at the end of the day Ali did beat both Shavers & Foreman so destructive power is not everything .
And we should also add Sonny Liston to the discussion , who was probably the 2nd or 3rd most powerful boxer Ali fought in that era .
@@snowhuskybaalkaii8621 Sonny was Left handed lol, and he still fought Orthodox. What a guy.
@@snowhuskybaalkaii8621 Shavers was also bigger than Foreman relative to his height. Shavers is only 6 ft, and foreman was like 6 ft 4 or 6ft 3
Thanks for this video. I didn't know anything about Mr. Caldwell, but he was there and his perspective is fresh and different than the ones that get polished by the media. I love to hear the veterans tell their war stories and history in the ring. Even the most vicious in the day can make you appreciate what it was like and you see how time has aged and mellowed them like a fine wine. These guys don't need to force anyone to respect them, they earned it. One of my favorite conversation videos was the Bowe and Holyfield one where they are kidding each other and reminiscing about their fights in the past.
He speaks we’ll considering he was in the ring with all those big punchers
Fantastic Interview!!! 😃❤💯💯
I like Shavers delivery! Quick, slick with no wind up or long stride like some of the other guys! I admire the amount of force he could generate so quick! Loved Shavers v. Ali! That power, wow!
I like the guy, and I wish him much success!
It's unfortunate that, even though he had a great punching power (perhaps the greatest in the boxing world), Earnie Shavers never became a boxing champion. He came close, however, into becoming one on a few occasions.
Ernie Shavers was great. One of the hardest punchers ever in the heavyweight division. When you look at the history of boxing it's always the powerpunchers that fascinate us so. Dempsey Max Bear Marciano. ...Shavers Joe Frasier George Foreman...Mike Tyson. Joe Frasier was my favorite in the 60s and 70s. He was too short to fight Foreman. Funny ..he could beat Ali but was mismatched against Foreman. Who Ali beat using tactics to burn out Big George in that heat in Zaire Africa
@@peterbartolomeo9574 Ali wasn't a power puncher like Shavers, Joe Louis, Tyson, or Marciano was and he certainly didn't have Foreman's punching power so he had to rely on his rope-a-dope style of boxing to outmaneuver Foreman. I think both Ali and Foreman were of the same height.
Shavers may have been a slightly harder puncher than Foreman but, Foreman could take a punch as well as any fighter ever could.
He was tactically better than Shavers too. Plus Foreman could hit hard with both hands, Shavers was really only known for his right if I remember correctly.
@ranieromaximino668 Foreman is miles superior to shavers as a boxer, but he aint stronger imo. Earnie shavers is like the only human in boxing history who lost a fight because he hit TOO HARD.
This, plus Fraser, Liston etc highlights what a great chin Ali had.
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This is a great guy I’d love to have a beer with him and hear all his stories 👍🏻
Wow. What a great interview.
I hope Leroy was paid for this interview, thank you very interesting 😊
I love listening to the legends
MAN was fighting in the toughest era of HW boxing imo
RIP LEROY. YOU WERE A HELL OF A MAN! STILL ARE! GOD BLESS YOU SIR!
Well done Leroy 🥊
Ali said when Shavers hit him in round 2 his heart went cold
RIP Leroy.
When did you know you were in trouble?. When they were taking my globes off. I was in stitches. What a man to take a beating and truly acknowledge it 😂.
Hahaha that part had me laughing hard too.
Foreman kos shavers easily, foreman was the hardest of that era, as a brutal fighting man
nah he has a better chin and defence tahts why
Holmes says Shavers would have knocked Foreman out bc hes chin is hanging all the way up there
Earnie Shavers didn’t need a belt to be champion. The greatest boxers in history feared his punch. Confirmed his power. That you can’t buy. You can’t pretend or achieve. That is legacy
Very nice man Leroy is 🥊
I met Ali several years ago.. I asked him who hit the hardest.. he told me.. Big Ernie..
What agreat story. Tough men back then
Good to see the man still has his faculties.
Sadly, he fell on hard times and passed away in February.
Both Foreman and Shavers knocked him out in 2 rounds. George did it 11 months earlier.
No wonder he sound good he took no punishment 2rounds both times the greatest took those guys in deep water and whipped them .
@@MichaelBrown-lm3vd Ali took a good beating as well upon winning, especially from Shavers! RIP Ali.
@@michaelmckenzie6311 yes he did he gave everything he had to the craft The Greatest Of All Time
Mr Caldwell looks like he got wisdom for days, inside the ring, as well as outside of the ring...
Even Ali's knees wobbled when Shavers landed flush on his chin. Anybody else was down on the groumd or even unconcous
Majority they say Shavers is the hardest puncher. That proves it.
I thought George said that Jerry Cooney hit him the hardest ?
@@troutaholic8834 George Foreman never fought Earnie Shavers.
@@Flipson456 he did fight jerry cooney and said cooney hit him the hardest, as I recall
@@troutaholic8834 but not shavers
@@troutaholic8834stupid ass he literally told u already George never fought Shavers. Stupid ass
Rip Leroy you fought some serious heavyweights
Ain't it the truth: "If Jesus Christ needed a bodyguard, he should call for Earnie Shavers."
Naw James, he should call for Chuck Zito.
I love howe he isnt the only one comparing Shavers to a hammer hitting your toes
Why I can’t find that Shavers vs Leroy fight nowhere on UA-cam??
From what I understand..a lot of those fights back then were either thrown, melted down for silver (esp b+w) & stored wrong & celluloid cracks with heat & cold.
I wish l cd find the fight too man.
Wow, I know this comment is SIX years late but I gotta say this man is still sharp as a pin and in great shape Lyle, Foreman and Shavers and still has faculties intact. I'd love to meet this guy what a gentleman 👏👏🥊✌️🙏
Unfortunately he passed a few months back
@@MayweatherChannel man, sorry to hear that, thank you guys so much for having this gentleman's story on your great channel. It was a respectful interview and enjoyed by true fight fans around globe. 🥊🙏
I agree, Forman's doesn't look hard, he's not really drawing back and getting a full stroke out of it....but George was a big strong man! They say it's more like getting hit with a 20 lb sledge hammer. Great conversation, He's got some classics fights on his resume. Shavers was a beast also. Almost every heavy weight has the ability to put an opponent down with a few landed punches. 90%hit hard...LOL! Great stories!
Foreman omg he desroyed bags!
Shavers didn't need a long stride or wind up! Impressive power!
White Knight cameraman salvages interview.
Right! LOL, sheesh this was hard to watch.
RIP , Leroy!
What a Cool Guy 🙂🙂
“When did you know you were in trouble?”
“When they took my gloves off and told me it was over😂” that is as real as it gets.
He was a doorman over here in Liverpool
Randell Tex Cobb said Ernie Shavers hit the hardest too
Imagine if these wise dignified men took their rightful place as leaders of men! the world would bow down.
Lucky 🍀 to be able to think straight!!! Give God the Glory Amen
Earnie Shavers big punch didnt have any effect on Jerry QUARRY and thats one of the reason Quarry was elected to the boxing hall of fame without winning a world title. SEE THE FIGHT ON YOU TUBE.
That's also the reason why Jerry had oatmeal for brains after he retired.
@@spencerstracke92
*Exactly*
You beat me to it.
Ernie never landed a big punch on jerry
Shavers didn't have any respect for Quarry, he was just walking into the punches.
@@BuddWX Agree ! if Shavers could knock Holmes senseless , and knock Ron Lyle down too . He could do the same to Quarry . Quarry just got lucky and was able to stop Shavers fast . He never got hit with his best shots .
Who was more powerful:Shavers or Liston?
Cool
Could have asked more about what lessons he learnt and what his story was, otherwise was interesting
Seems like a cool guy. Clear..funny
I like this guy - looks like he could still put a hurting on you
Thing about Foreman is he had an iron jaw.. And receiving a punch from him was like being hit by a log or baseball bat...
Still seems to be of very sound mind for his age and coming from the fight game. He's still pretty sharp.
he passed a year or so ago, unfortunately
@@MayweatherChannel that is unfortunate, but thanks for the update 👍
RIP Caldwell
Its different tho cuz shavers hit more like a missile it was quicker and more snappier than foreman but foreman was like a truck slower but the shear mass and weight it had just like he explained, george would club his opponents till they gave up. Overall i think it goes to shavers but george is definitely the heaviest hitter thats just what i think
Leroy is a cool cat
That's really disrespectful to laugh at leroy. He was in the top league with the best.
Let me give you jokers a wake up call as to who hit harder, bigg George ducked out on any fights with Shavers.
That damn aircon noisy
I hate getting hit on my toes, with a sludge hammer.
He seems healthy that's good
A witness : earnie by far !!!
this is a guy who has balls of steel and probably had a rough path in life.. he just took whatever fights for the money... I don't think he had a fair shake in boxing.
How would lenny MacLean done against these fighters.
He would have been annihilated, he'd have been lucky to last a round 👊
He even says Shavers hits harder than Foreman and Lyle by far. Thats scary...
The biggest fight in life is against yourself...
Its really foreman...people just have more sympathy for shavers so they just say he hits harder
So you presume to know the thinking behind all the fighters who say that Shavers hit harder...
Your arrogance is astonishing.
What! Even Foreman & Frazier REFUSED to fight Shavers!
Yeah i’ll believe a random internet warrior named damage6836 rather than guys from the 70s who fought all the hardest hitters opinions
Cope harder lil boy
Why can't I find his fight with Foreman on UA-cam?
Yeah shack his ezz..
Bert sugar said it was earnie shaves who was the hardest puncher ever in boxing
R.Maciano.
01:37 🤣🤣🤣
The hardest hitter in boxing
1:38 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😂
“If Jesus Christ needs a bodyguard he should call Ernie Shavers.” And there it is.
Shavers had a very weak chin. Foreman had a very strong chin. That's why Foreman was a world champion and Shavers was not.
Shavers beat Norton and Norton beat Ali. If Shavers isn't a champion, it's just a technicality :)
@@huntingunlimitedturkce269 bro shavers got sparked out cold loads of times and sometimes by complete nobodies he had the big punch but his chin was weak compared
@@prettyboychilds I'd say Norton had a good chin against lighter punchers, but couldn't handle the big bomb throwers. Look at all the shots he took against Holmes and Ali without much effect, compared to when he fought Shavers and Foreman.
@@huntingunlimitedturkce269 foreman isn't to far from shavers for that hardest puncher title.
@@prettyboychilds Shavers has some of the worst defence, and recovery I've seen. If you look at Quarry fight he just lets Quarry hit him over and over like 10-15 times doing nothing. He just keeps his hands up and hopes he doesn't get hit
No one can hit like foreman he is a tank
Mayweather is hilarious
That other black dude is funny, wish he would have spoken more!
BIG CAT WILLAM WAS ALSO A BIG PUNCHER
So basically, Foreman was a bruiser and Shaver rattled your bones.
ALI SAYS THE SAME THING
Shaver was a Beast- Although Ali Defeated him/ i never seen Anybody Hit The Greatest of all time that fuckin hard...
Shavers won that fight against Ali. It was all rigged. Those punches destroyed Alis brain...
Worst cte he got was from Holmes
Everyone Says Shavers. Why did Shavers not have a better career?
Glass chin, he didn't had great boxing skills and he had suspect stamina.
Because it takes more than great punching power to become a world champion and hold on to your title. Morrison was a FAR harder puncher than Tyson (according to ALL of their common opponents), and yet he didn't have that great of a career.
Only god is god