Toyota Discontinues 1.8 Corolla Engine for 2.0 Dynamic Force, So I Bought One of the Last Ones
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2022
- With the cancellation of the corolla 1.8 corolla in 2023, buyers have the new 2.0 dynamic force engine as the only choice. While the 2.0 offers more power and better fuel economy, it is relatively new and has yet to withstand the test of time. Due to the dynamic force engine being so new I decided to buy one of the last 1.8 corolla made in 2022.
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The 1.8 is legendary
Respectfully, if an engine has any inherent defects they tend to show up early in their production run. The 2.0 had been out for four years when you made this video and has been solid, there’s no reason to expect that it’s not going to be as solid as the 1.8.
Hi Just bought a slightly used (5000 mi) 2022 Corolla with the 2L engine. I would have preferred the 1.8L which I have in my 2014 Corolla with over 223,000 mi , but I wanted a manual trans and this is my last option if I go with the Corolla. I am reasonably confident that Toyota tested this engine to death before releasing it. They have a well earned reputation for the best reliability in the industry. As a side note, we took my daughters 2005 Corolla from Hampton NH to San Francisco and back with 5 people in the car and 249,000 mi on it. It ran flawlessly. It now has 300,000. Been buying Toyota's for 40 yrs.
They manage to produce a 1.8 oil burner 1ZZ FE this has design faults, did the test this
Hi from Australia, I have a late 2007 build Corolla with the 2ZR-FE 1.8 engine
These engines were released here in April 2007... 16 years no issues other than a water pump.
no other issues whatsoever.
I'm a motor mechanic and the car has been maintained above and beyond the average, particularly oil and filter changes.
It was also built in Japan.
Great video and thanks!
Currently at 122k on a 2021 2.0. No problems yet and gets like 40mpg doing 55-65
I can get close to 40mpg (38.5) on my 2013 Corolla S with a 1.8 if I drive 55-65 too, but I never drive that slow on the freeway unless stuck in dense traffic. I'm usually going 70-75 on the local interstates but still getting 34mpg. I'll take that along with the proven reliability over the added complexity of the newer 2.0l any day. Plus I can easily DIY nearly every maintenance procedure on it, and there are multiple aftermarket choices for nearly every component under the hood, further reducing my cost of ownership.
This new 2.0 has been out for 5 years it’s basically a smaller version of the 2.5 Camry motor it’s been very reliable and with port and direct injection and no turbocharger and the 30 Hp was needed big time and more torque
I have that engine in a 2018 Corolla iM. It’s a putt-putt engine but it handles pretty darn good as stock!❤
I just brought a 2023 Corolla LE. I did a lot of research and decided the opposite - i waited for the 2.0 in the LE. Better power and MPG was my reason. I’m hoping that Toyota has worked out some issues over the past 5 years. The electronic water pump, etc will turn some off, but they’ve worked out those issues in the Prius over 20 plus years. The CVT is the same in the Lexus UX200. I’ll still probably do the trans fluid at 60k, then every 60k. Also, the oil every 5k. I’m also hoping to keep it for 200k miles. I realize I’ll have to replace some items between 100-200k miles, and that’s fine. Based on what I see it should be relatively simple fixes. There are a few other slight improvements in 2023 that made the price difference worthwhile for me (even if the engine was the same). So far it’s been great. Anyway, I don’t think you can go wrong with either choice. Enjoy the car!
That's the best idea for maintenance! It'll absolutely last a long time. Enjoy your Corolla!
I have a new 2023 SE. I plan on, like you, changing the oil every 5k miles. Something in my 60-year-old mind that can't accept 10k between oil changes. In addition, I want this car to last at least 250k miles.
@scottpessognelli1962 I'm a young adult and 10k mile oil changes is not a good idea, ESPECIALLY on turbocharged engines since they run hotter.
7.5k miles on a naturally aspirated engine seems justifiable, but I wouldn't risk it.
The Prius definitely was the guini pig through out the years for Toyota to perfect the 2.0 , 2.5 L
@Andrew awesome congrats! I’m already at 6600 miles on my 2023. The oil has already been changed twice. And will be changed again at 10,000 miles.
Toyota added the 2 liter dynamic force engine to the Corollas from late 2018, when the 2019 Corolla hatchback started being sold in the USA. 2020 Corolla sedans with the 2 liter dynamic force engine started being sold from March 1st 2019. So there are many Corollas out there with over 60,000 miles on their 2 liter dynamic force engines. Furthermore, the Lexus UX200, which has the same 2 liter dynamic force engine, were sold from 2017. So you're just worrying needlessly.
Exactly
@@FloridaMark1611 Yep and not just that but the Toyota sells RAV4s in Australia and Europe with the same 2 liter Corolla engine and Corolla CVT. Keep in mind that RAV4 is significantly heavier. Toyota wouldn't use this Corolla powertrain unless they were sure it's reliable and rugged enough to handle all that weight.
Bought a 2020 SE Manual in late 2019. 80k on the odometer and running perfect. 5k oil changes. The 2.0 is more than solid.
Mine is solid 2. They already have many 2.0 over 100,000 and 200,000 miles
@@natelove187 you guys drive a lot especially for those 2020 models. My 2020 LE only has 22k miles and has it for 3 years lol
@@alvinsimba734 Toyota Dynamic Force Engines are easy to maintain and are reliable. The car carnut UA-cam channel have videos on how to maintenance those engines
@ibiro868 how has the manual transmission been for you? I've seen a couple of people who have had an issue with it. I definitely prefer a manual over these new CVTs
@@alvinsimba734lol same.
I bought a '20 Corolla SE in Jul '19; not a single engine problem noted. Still running like brand new!
Excellent video !!! Clear, clean, and honest review. Very helpful.
These engines have been pulling me around for a looong time. My grandfather had a 2000 Corolla with the 1.8L, this car took me all over with them. Grandpa has since passed however this car is still rolling around.
I have had personally three Corollas, 2009, 2016 & currently have a 2017 and all these engines have been amazing. I’m at 110k and have put a collective 160k miles on some form of a 1.8l engine I must say I’m hooked!!
Very nicen! I have a 96 and a 2015, now looking at a 2022
2009 1.8L with 246,000 and going strong!! No oil burning either.
I have a 2009 it just gave up the ghost at 415000 mi
@@leroy420b my condolences 💔😥
Mine is now at 267,000 and still going strong.
Are you going to just get a different vehicle or are you gonna motor swap a Camry 3.5L V6 in it or something? If that’s possible a 268hp Corolla would be nasty 😂.
Not gonna lie I have thought about this, if mine ever give up the ghost.
@@Maoshung3s-gte swaps in 10th gen corolla have been done. Some have claimed 500bhp, though I don't know how that will translate to whp.
They fixed the oil burning issues 2005,
Design faults
There are several new corollas with 200k miles. Look it up!!! Last year I saw a guy, at the dealership, with with 227k miles on his corolla. He drives from houston to Galveston and San Antonio every day. It was a 2019 hatchback.
I'm sure there will be many with 200k+
I think that the video creator's concern is also being able to do as much work on it as possible by all himself to further cut long term maintenance costs.
I'm glad to hear that. I'm coming from a 2009 that made it 400 plus thousand miles. Looking at a 2019 with a manual transmission
"There are several new corollas with 200k miles"... People who drive lots of highway will have better engines than those with a lot of city miles....which take longer time to accumulate. We won't see that durability for a couple of more years.
@@newttella1043it’s been five years since this engine has been introduced and so far it’s been solid. I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that this isn’t an amazing engine.
I respect your position but Toyota has earned the benefit of any doubt regarding reliability. I trust my DF 2.5 will be reliable and IF by chance a problem surfaces 100k miles into ownership Toyota will solve it quickly. I have faith.
The extra HP was definitely needed! Good job Toyota on this 2.0 engine!
The guy said it’s hard to fix it so that’s why he got the 1.8 L one. I love the 2.0
The 1.8 was hardly starved for power in the lightweight Corollas they were installed in. I can cruise from Memphis to Nashville never going slower than 75 and easily pass any traffic in my way. Plus I'm usually the first one out of the gate at a stop light. How much more power do you need? These aren't sports cars, they're compact reliable economy cars. If I want to go fast I take out my Firebird out of the garage or ride my motorcycle.
@@robertcabrera6232In Europe we would get the 1.8 2ZR-FAE with 147 horsepower if we opted to. Not sure why they did not use that engine for America
@@ikramshahar44 Here in US the 2013 Corolla got the 1.8 2ZR-FE that was rated at 138 HP. The 2ZR-FAE was never available here. My best guess as to why would be the vast differences in average operating temps and altitude of the various regions of North America, and the great variation in available fuel quality. The European spec 2ZR-FAE has a higher compression ratio of 10.5-1 vs 10-1 for the North American spec 2ZR-FE, and generally speaking, cars in the US with anything higher than 10-1 compression require more expensive higher octane mid-grade or premium fuel.
Our regular grade gasoline is only 87 octane (85 in high altitude regions), so it will cause pre-detonation in higher compression engines, especially those in the hot climates of our Southern regions or just about anywhere in Summer. The higher grade gasolines are much more expensive than regular, so it's extremely rare here to see any economy car, like a Corolla, with an engine that is specced to use anything other than regular gas.
@@ikramshahar44 I suspect that the reason we never got the 1.8 2ZR-FAE in the states is because of its higher 10.5-1 compression ratio, which requires higher octane than the regular gas commonly available in the US. Here regular gas varies between 85 and 87 octane depending upon elevation, so its higher compression would require considerably more expensive mid-grade or premium fuel to prevent detonation. Additionally, there are much greater climate variations in North America than in Europe, and in regions with extremely warm climates engines are more prone to detonation.
Toyota, in its wisdom, probably determined that the added expense of having multiple engine production lines combined with requiring use of higher grade gas to prevent warranty issues wasn't worth the cost and effort for just an additional 10-15 horsepower.
Man just got a 2022 Corolla cross, here’s to hoping Toyota had their A game with the newer 2.0 🤞😬
Thanks awesome vid!
I agree with you. I own a 2012 Corolla LE with 157K trouble-fee miles on it. The 1.8 liter has been bulletproof and so has the ancient 4 speed automatic transmission. I commute 60 miles per day roundtrip to my job and need a reliable car, not the latest and greatest sexy car. Corollas are appliances, nothing more. My mechanic says I should be able to squeeze over 300K out of it.
Your basic cheap Corolla is an appliance. These new Corollas have good acceleration, good power, genuinely fun to drive, latest tech, and looks attractive.
@@braetonwilson4296 latest tech might also mean more problems down the road. The less tech it has, less things to break but of course everyone is different. Some people care more about tech and other things comes 2nd for them
True but there has to be a balance, one can't keep holding on to outdated things for the sake of reliability alone
I have a 2009 matrix. It just died on me. I think it threw a rod at 415,000 mi. They seem to be great motors
Euro I spent $3,000 for a 97 roller with 70,000 Mi better than the 25,000 25 grand for a computer on wheels I make the same f****** knocking noise as an 09
I took the gamble. Solid take on what i was(and still) worried about.
I had a 2004 toyota corolla that thing was basic but awesome, I towed a small trailer to and from college with that thing over the mountains. It didn't have cruise control but it was really reliable. Only engine stuff I had to replace in 140k miles was a chain tensioner, valve cover gaskets, intake manifold gaskets, o2 sensors. Sold it to my brother who in 2 weeks smacked the back on a pole which set off the srs system totaling it, the engine will live on in another car as a transplant, sold it to someone who had the time. Got an 18 escape, the transmission started making whining after 60k miles, so I've replaced it with a '21 Prius.
I bought a 2018 Corolla with 0 miles and it’s at 80k miles now and I’ve had no issues apart from a battery . Love the car (I’ve done all the maintenance when the car tells me)
I got a 2019 hatch and hasn’t failed once. Only problem I’ve had is with nails in the tires
It's been a year since this video. How has the dynamic force engine done as far as performance and reliability?
Do you know why or what’s the difference between the engine from say 2008 and 2017 why one takes 5w30 and newer takes 0w20
I have a 2020 Corolla LX ….it has been absolutely flawless….it is surprisingly very peppy. Obviously it’s not a “Shelby" but I love the car..
GREAT VIDEO
Thanks!!!!
Does it take high octane fuel?
Dont worry Dude. You can still get your hands on a pretty decent 1.8 corolla. You'll have to import it tho. The DFE isn't expected in the far east and esp. the south asian market until 2027. Until then, the 2ZR-FE will still be in production.
My 2002 LE Corolla just turned 178,000 miles. Other than oil consumption at 1200 miles per quart it has been phenomenal at reliability, never broke down once not even rust. I use 5W40 synthetic because 5W30 only gets 800 miles per quart. I should have changed the oil more often but at this point there is nothing I can do about it. It is my around town car and I plan to keep it until it finally quits.
I have a 2012 Corolla 1.8 which has done 245 000 klm and is still going today 2024.
Regularly serviced by top mechanic.Engine running extremly well.
Have never had to spend huge $ on repairs.
Love love it.
Very reliable.
Thankyou Toyota for producing a great little car. Would have another one, no problem.
Definitely agree with his philosophy of prioritizing reliability. Those corolla’s will last easily past 200k so great purchase!
U just nailed ut when you said toyota are slow in changing technology
spot on
I have a 2023 corolla with the 2.0 liter engine. The sticker inside the engine says to use 0W 8 engine oil. Your video says to use 0W 16. Where did you get your oil recommendation?
When the new 2 L engine came out, it was designed for 0W 16 oil now apparently toyota is telling owners to use 0W8. I’m not sure if any changes were made or if Toyota is just trying to do everything they can to get better mileage out of that engine.
I have a 2024 HB XSE with a 2.0L and it says to use 0W-16 on the sticker under the hood.
Where this guy expert is come from i own a 2020 Toyota Corolla Se i have no problem at all i dont change the oil exactly the time some time i use thicker oil 0-20w and this car drive runs like a charm i just change spark plugs and the coolant by pass valve thats it and car runs so goood and i have it since the end of 2019.
I have 2 Celicas with the 1.8L engine. Absolutely reliable. I love the simplicity of it and it's so easy to work on.
The 1.8 has a slightly UEL header. In other words exhaust mods sound better than on the dynamic force. Heck I haven't seen the header on the 2.0 Corolla. Just the RAV4 and Camry. Which has the most ridiculous straight back header and cat.
Long story short, enjoy exaust mods. Cheers
the Taxi vehicles in my country's are 90% corollas with the 1.8L and most of them have 600k+ km on the odometer with no issues
they probably have the 1zzfe
I had leased a numbered 2021 Corolla hatch Special Edition with the 2.0. Not that impressed. I sold it and now have a 2022 1.8 Corolla LE sedan. I considered the hybrid version for the Ecvt over the belt cvt in the none hybrid Corolla I purchased.
Like you, simplicity and proven reliability of the 1.8 was paramount. Though the ecvt is nearly bullet proof, battery technology concerned me. At any rate I am pleased with this corolla.
I like your conservative take on engine durability and the wait-and-see approach. As someone who only buys used cars, you insight means a lot.
Bring back the 2.4l a lot more usable torque, this thing is a razor engine
I have an 2022 RAV4 with the 2.5L dynamic force engine. So far, it hasnt had any issues; paired with the 8 speed automatic transmission, its zippy around town. I didnt get the corolla because i dont like the feel of the CVT transmission. As an added bonus, the car came with a nation wide lifetime warranty on the engine and transmission. If any issues do appear, toyota will fix them for free.
Currently 106K on my 2020 1.8 LE Premium like yours. Been running great so far so good. Water pump had to be replaced at 98K miles. Other than that no issues
What do you do for a living for that much drive?
@@alvinsimba734 Animal rescue and I pet sit and work is pretty far 20 miles where I live. So normal wear and tear for city that is only accessible by car. Currently at 121K right now!
@@Diecastjoe I see man, not too bad. I’m at 22k miles for mine and had it for 3 years but I really should drive more though
I guess it depends on where you live and work. Lol. I also just like driving so I am doing it to myself.
I gotta 2006 corolla its me run around car use for short trips , i use 95 octane should i just use 91 or stick with 95?
It’s designed for regular, should be fine on that
@@EnthusiastsGarage ok cheers mate ,just dont wanna do any damage to motor long term
I hava a 2023 se and we find it realy noisy! We've been told by the dealer that it was normal?
Is there somebody else with this issue?
That is the CVT Transmission you are hearing, very normal!
Engine ? Or road noises?
I bought an almost new (1500 km) 2022 Corolla L with 1.8l & 6 speed manual transmission 2 weeks ago. 😁
A Corolla with that drivetrain set up would last forever.
I need to do my 1.8 manual
Is that the same engine as the 2018 Corolla? Thanks!
The L and le models got the 1.8 the SE models got the 2.0
What do you think of the cvt in the 2022 corolla?
The cvt in 2022 Corolla is good, it depends which trim you want as they are 3 different engines for that year
I just bought a 2018 1.8l with only 9600km on it :)
Great video. 👍
The 2020 Corolla LE has the last 1.8L 2zr-FAE
I got the 2023 camry and they gave me 7 years warranty so if anything happens I get a new engine, plus if it's really bad whith I think it's not, you have 7 years to decide what you wanna do so I'm good with that, I also hate cvt transmission that's why I got this one with 8 gears, I will definitely keep this car forever now
1.8 IS SOLID
I do about 30,000 mi a year. I'm looking at a 2019 Corolla hatchback with the 2.0 engine. My 2009 Toyota matrix with a 1.8 just blew up at 415,000 mi. I was really hoping to pick up another hatchback and have a similar success?
Indeed the complexity of the newest engines is insane
The new 2.0 2023 engine has a plastic valve cover. This is getting ridiculous my 2011 already has a plastic intake and thermostat housing.
I have a 2021 toyota corolla le 1.8 engine do i have a timing chain
yes
What do you mean there were bugs in the engine? What kind of bugs? Who put them there?
Imhotep put them in there.
The 1.8 was 3 different engine families though through those 3 decades. The 7A-FE, 1ZZ-FE and 2ZR-FE/FAE. That particular engine family is only 15 years old.
Dude, haven't they been using this technology for quite awhile in the prius, and lexus?
2.0 litter engine very good fast
2013 honda civic.. rush out a get one!
Honda civics are ricer
Let me put it like this. Corolla sells about a MILLION units a year, do you really think they’re going to piss off that many people at once?
They did when they introduced the CVT in 2014.
The Engines been out for 5 years . And it’s backed off previous 2.0s get your facts straight my 2.0 Runs perfectly with 180k .
Incredible. Perhaps you could advise me what other 2.0 it’s backed off of.
You are overthinking an economy car
I thought I preferred the 2ZR but the M20A is in another league. I was leasing a 2020 LE CVT but I wanted a manual and ended up getting a 2022 SE Manual with the 2.0. It is so much better than the 1.8. If you drive them back to back the difference is clear. The M20A is just a better engine and likely just as reliable if not more so thanks to the electric water pump.
It may be better is some ways but i doubt since i have no proof that it will be just as reliable. It likely will be worse. The electric water pump is NOT going to make it more reliable.
There is also EGR on this M20A that is required since the engine is designed at 13-1 compression. It will not run without detonation on regular fuel without EGR.
There is also an electric oil pump of some sort . The new motor has duel fuel systems high pressure and low pressure. This was all done for emissions and a little better fuel economy.
I upgraded from a 2019 SE sedan to the 2024 HB XSE. There are definitely things that I will/do miss about the previous generation. But after less than 900 miles I can tell that this is actually a much better car. My only regret is not having enough space and money to keep both cars. There are definitely pros and cons to each one.
Toyota's using the same dynamic force engine in the Camry, RAV4, Lexus UX200, Lexus ES etc. You really think it will be unreliable? 2023 Corolla LE has over the air updates, faster touchscreen, wireless apple carplay, wireless android auto, 2 rear USB-C ports standard, more reliable CVT because of the physical first gear etc. You missed out on all of that because of your ridiculous reliability fears.
The 2023s do have more horsepower than the 1.8 litre engine found mostly on the L, LE and XLE trims. The 2.0.litre engine is a great engine as well and we will see how it will hold as the years go by. For new customers, the 2023 is a great option and as a toyota owner myself I can probably count with my fingers the amount of times I used apple carplay or android auto in the past 2 years. For me it's mostly mapping when we talk of android auto and carplay. The Bluetooth in their vehicles is just as good as one can listen to their favorite music or podcasts that each drivers likes and also answering calls. An average person thats all they really want and on the highway like the guy said, once you put it in adaptive cruise control for those long trips that's all one needs for acceleration while also maintaining fuel usage. An average driver won't even know the difference between cvt or regular automatic plus also the difference between the 2.0 litre or 1.8 litre. Some people will be able to tell the difference like myself and yourself.
With the 2.0 I’d just put my trust in Toyota and take the “risk”. For more power, fuel economy, first gear in CVT? (I’m pretty sure)But Toyota has had dual injection systems in Lexus’s in like 2006 and seems to have worked well.
@@amg5619 exactly, all the kinks have been worked out already
@@braetonwilson4296 plus I like to live a little, embrace the good change and hope for the best.
@@braetonwilson4296 The engine HAS been proven - almost FIVE YEARS of use - why is the video creator so worried about reliability?
i have corolla 2017 349,000 same engine!
Oh shucks. Ill keep my 1.8. i love it for what it is.
Smart man. I'd do the same.
0w-20? Ive ran 5w/30 in my car for just over 100k without issue. Hmmm. Probably sling a rod through the block next time i start it.
That 1.8 is basically or hard to kill
The problem is CVT transmissions junk. I had 2005 corolla auto never changed fluid 300k miles. Bulletproof.
There are 2.5 engines with 200,000-300,000 now.
Only wish either engine had a 6 speed automatic.
CVT’s are not as reliable.
Granted Toyota CVT’s are more reliable than other car manufacturers, but it’s still a CVT !
Technically Toyota offered a 1.8L engine in the 1982 camry
this engine was in everything from lotus spots cars to your mom's corolla, one of the best engines ever.
I'll drive my 04 corolla into the ground 550000 on it now it's bullet proof
Hello, great result! How often did you change engine/transmission oils?
i'm sorry but your video is misleading, when someone hear your video he may think that corolla always had the same 1.8 engine, when in reallity they had multiple 1.8 engines that are completely different to each other, and each one had different versions
Toyota don't know it they are coming or going instead of making new models try getting parts for previous year cars most parts are on back order its killing toyota sales
I’m concerned about the reliability of the 2.0L’s plastic value cover….I plan on doing a lot of driving back and forth through California’s grapevine…I’m worried that the value cover may not be able to handle the pressure and heat over time.
I hear that comment a lot and honestly I wouldn’t be. A lot of cars have plastic valve covers and it’s a non-structural part so I really wouldn’t be too concerned. My raptor and 350R have much more high-performance engines that have plastic valve covers with no issue.
Isn’t 2.0 better
The 2.0 is holding up well so far. I wouldn't fret. It's way more refined and smooth than the 1.8. 0W-16 is a scary oil viscosity, but I'm willing to gamble. It's a cheap car; live dangerously!
Camry has a 2.5 l still hold up 2.0 l is faster
10:1 compression is not low try 8:1 1:06 or 9:1 😉😂🤣
you are very smart
Higher compression equals higher wear !! I am done with Toyota!
Its a Toyota ... Come on .. I had the choice between a brand new 22 or a 23 corolla I took the 23 hands down. Now I wouldnt mind the 1.8 in the Hybrid.. but the Hybrid was harder to nego. on.
most toyota people don't want to admit it but even though toyota is a leader in reliability, they still have their fair share of problems. one thing I think we can all agree on is that the 1.8 is a much more basic and simple engine yet it still had a whole bunch of issues for many years. the 2.0 is much more complex and there have already been some issues with it. for those that keep their cars for 200k plus miles one issue most people aren't aware of is that even though it is port and direct injected is that carbon will still build up on the intake valves like a direct only engine. it takes longer but for those that keep their cars a long time have a real possibility of running into issues years later.
@@EnthusiastsGarage That's the main reason I went and purchased the car NEW. In the event anything happens , I'm covered for at least 3-5 years. I'll re-evaluate at the end of the warranty period.
Interesting that toyota went complicated with the modern 2.0 engine. Honda hybrid engine went complicated too. So long term prediction of complicated engines have not gone well for the likes of european car makers. I say keep it stupid simple.
Someone said 2023 is last made in Japan. 2024 is in Mississippi.
Good luck getting 200k out of the 2.0 I have decided to go with the Honda Civic 2.0 instead
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too much repeating :)
Yeah well I looked at a 2020 with 50000 Mi on it typical noise in the motor that Corolla seem to get it's like a bearing noise every one of them got it every generation has if you listen to it when you rev the engine and this one had it at 50 thousand miles category after many generations of the a series and all the other ones to the last 30 years they all make the same noise so they're both the same basically
F*** all that s*** the other day I bought me a 97 with 70000 Mi on it 1.6 hated to spend 3,100 for it but I did spell regretting it cuz I got four or five cars already very similar
Yeah I bought a brand new 21 I didn't like the f****** thing I don't like the transmission on it the 1.8 was all right the regular Ali tranny sucked the automatic does it have no switch down power gear or nothing just one one speed no sport mode s*** which would have a stick shift the 1.85 would have kept it the fact that I sold a 2354 with tax and I sold it 1 months 18000 took the loss