@@rtji0the *character* mf doom, yes, but the mask was bought probably around 2001, it’s based off a prop from the 2000 movie gladiator and he actually bought several prop masks which he used to make several different versions of his mask
+Julian Wyllie Yeah, this one definitely feels like a more obvious progression from Black Bastards. Pretty much a missing link between that album and Doomsday. So damn good.
@@Masked_SVincent Look up "Checkmate" or any of the versions of DOOM's tracks from 1997 Or you could just listen to "Black Bastards", I guess There's really not much post BB but pre Operation DOOMSDAY
@@Masked_SVincent MF Grimm's, "WW III" (aka, 'Take Em to War') is from this same era, and DOOM's heard on the intro. Maybe even same recording sessions at Stretch's crib. Has that same filtered, "AM sound" to it too.
For those not paying attention this was recorded when it aired on the radio,89.9 fm cm fambalam radio program aka strech and bobbito, imagine hearing this on the radio around 2 or 3 am back in 94
It’s interesting how this was recorded in 1994 and Zev was already mentioning his new name, and shouting out monsta island czars before 1997. It’s like the foreshadowing of the next chapter.
I can't wrap my head around this loss. I really got into DOOM after the King Geedorah album came out on Ninja Tune, before Madvillainy dropped the following spring. In that gap of time, Operation Doomsday became a car stereo mainstay throughout that high school summer. I already loved Quasimoto and Yesterday's New Quintet independently of DOOM's work, so when Madlib collaborated with MF Doom for Madvillainy, I was kind of in awe. And now, I'm just in shock. We lost a legend this year.
very similar listening history on my end. started listening in 2002 or 2003, right around the time I graduated high school. then he had that crazy run of classic albums while I was in college. I remember telling people how dope DOOM was but people weren't fuckin' with a dude in a mask. now it's clear that he's a legend and his sound will live forever.
If Black Bastards had dropped in 1994 when scheduled (hopefully with better mixing) it would've been huge. Following the popularity of Mr Hood and the fact that 36 Chambers would've just warmed up the world for that style of rap. If subroc didn't die Doomsday wouldn't have been postponed so long and the whole album would've sounded like this I bet. And subroc would've had a wicked solo career too.
I like this version way better than the DOOMSDAY version more raw and DOOM's flow is like butter on this version this is the very little content you will hear of zev love x (anakin) before he turned into DOOM (Darth vader) I think that star wars comparison is very right for DOOM
@Jank9975 A closer friend of DOOM/Sub gave detail to this track and this Post- KMD era on reddit. I posted the link, but it kept getting deleted on here.
@Jank9975 Hot take: Even tho DOOM is finally getting recognition for being a master if not the master of lyricism, he still being VERY underrated as producer
Dope stuff, I read on a forum some years back that he recorded the whole opereation doomsday album in '94, but re-recorded it when he got to fondle em in 97. I dont know if thats true or not, hopefully it is, Ive always wanted to hear more X/Doom demos from this time period.
some of the stuff on Operation Doomsday was written and recorded as demos as far back as '94 yes, but the entire album itself definitely wasn't recorded that far back as even the title track couldn't have been written before 1998 given some of the lyrics. and the recording of Operation Doomsday came about because MF DOOM's singles like the original 12 inch version of Dead Bent were selling very well and the label wanted him to do an album, so he was already working with them for at least a year before Operation Doomsday was even considered
@@zamin6060 I always wondered if the DOOM persona was planned that far back too. Listen to the end "?" how DOOM says everything going according to plan man when he talks about Subroc
This sounds like Zev Love X in my opinion, you can find a 1997 Single on Fondle Em Records which truly sounds like both of them at once. Listening to this followed by the 1997 version followed by the album version really gives an insight to the development of DOOM.
@@MrChoobs he used to write graffiti as DOOM but idk when that began. But I would assume he was writing DOOM before rapping under the name. I’m guessing MF may have started as a graffiti crew but I haven’t seen any info on it.
Yeah I been listening to the KMD album Black Bastards a lot recently and he calls himself a villain a few times on there so I think the villain idea was always in the back of DOOMs/Zevs head
If this ended up on Black Bastards, it would have been the best song on that, but Id have to figure he recorded this after Subroc died so I guess his delivery only became tighter.
If there is an afterlife. I hope you're up there with your brother. Tell him all of your success. Your struggles. He's gonna want to hear about the supervillain. You and your brother will always be legends.
His flow was so amazing I can't seem to find words on how to describe what he was. King Geedorah, Metal Face, Metal Fingers, The Villain, Zev Love X, Viktor Vaughn, MF Doom or Daniel Dumile will always be one of the greatest after life after death rest in peace.
It surprises me that he already mentions the "metal face" in 1994 when most write-ups mention he only began performing with stockings on his face in the late 1990s, before switching to the mask. Does anybody know more about this?
That part of the song utilizes a Fantastic Four reference, so I assume he thus related his name (DOOM a.k.a. Dumille) to Dr Doom (the villain in the Fantastic Four). Probably just decided to run with those references and influences later on. Remember the mask very explicitly came from his love of those comics/cartoons.
"Check it out! Sweet Premium See me, I'm chillin' like the *maniacal villain* that I am Pull a scam This is my kind of jam, buddy pal" -KMD, Sweet premium wine Btw if you want to hear his performance with the sock on the head you can see it on my page! From what I'd heard he would have made something in the villain direction with Sub but the plan morphed to what we got.
@@withnail-and-i He's mentioned in an interview, him and Subroc were already planning to come out with their own unique supervillain persona's as alter-ego's before even Black Bastards was completed. I doubt had that plan actually gone through that DOOM's persona would be anywhere near how it ended up, however the roots of it were already there before Subroc even had passed. That's also why I get so confused when people claim DOOM "disappeared" for years after Sub died, I mean yes it wasn't like he was in the public spotlight, but he's said it himself he never stopped working on music after Sub died, he kept writing and releasing demo's throughout that entire time period, although obviously not as many people know or own these as he wasn't popular at the time. Operation Doomsday was not his "return" to the hip hop scene after a long hiatus, that album was only even offered to DOOM by his label because of how well his other singles that were out at the time were selling
The fucking GOAT. Listen to the hey demo after this and hear his evolution into the villain. We lost the best rapper of all time. RIP MF DOOM I hope you're getting the rest you deserve, because the world didn't deserve you 🖤
This version just makes the original gas drawls kinda sad. He has that deadpan tone while rapping this shit and on this version he just seemed to be having fun. I think the progression from black bastards to doomsday also just makes sense. He was gone for like 4 years? (I don’t wanna look it up) and he comes back with this new flow and new sound.
He sounds a lot more jaded if you will. This was recorded before his near homelessness, yet not much else is known; My guess is he spent these depressive years and wrote/ made a lot of his classic beats. MF DOOM practically said as much.
so he definitley had ideas for DOOM at this point, called himseld X the unseen, but he still says 'versus Doom with the metal face' in the track. I wonder if he had thought of or had ideas for King Gheedorah already since he shouts out Monsta isle and Jet Jaguar (MF Grimm)
this song/the thumbnail is much sadder now than before
Operation: DOOMSDAY 😢
Successful...
RIP
DOOM
Fuck them gas Drawls
fr...
I always thought it was strange how Gas Drawls had that '94 vibe to it. but it all makes sense now.
neaBiseeDestroyr Doom’s take on Black Cow is the best version though.
Fake ass clown
@@bryangaribaldi5703 naw this in the best one in my opinion
Also makes sense that he kept calling himself "X" on Gas Drawls.
Yea. Can really tell just that specific year just from listening to that song. You're a genius, man.
WOW! This is literally Zev Love turning into DOOM. I really like this version too
i like to think that this is what was playing as he first put the mask on
@@rtji0the *character* mf doom, yes, but the mask was bought probably around 2001, it’s based off a prop from the 2000 movie gladiator and he actually bought several prop masks which he used to make several different versions of his mask
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@@Sqk.before that mask he used a mask from the wrestler Kane, which you can see on the music video of Doomsday
You sound new
Wow, his rhyme pattern in this version is so explosive. I still love the LP version on DOOMSDAY but this piece is just as fire in a different way.
+Julian Wyllie Yeah, this one definitely feels like a more obvious progression from Black Bastards. Pretty much a missing link between that album and Doomsday. So damn good.
Very Big L-ish
@@Maxdemon98 im a big L stan but i dont think they are similar at all
Demo version is way better, imho. Authentic
@@Maxdemon98 i kinda hear it
maybe cause DOOM is so deadpan all the time but in comparison it's like he's yelling the whole time like L
I love transitional DOOM. Shit feels like the hyperbolic time chamber
This is such a raw version of DOOM
This is pretty much the extremely short era where we saw the villainy develop
Is there more stuff like this era?
@@Masked_SVincent Look up "Checkmate" or any of the versions of DOOM's tracks from 1997
Or you could just listen to "Black Bastards", I guess
There's really not much post BB but pre Operation DOOMSDAY
@@Masked_SVincent ua-cam.com/video/A6RfEXDtk38/v-deo.html
This vid is him transitioning from KMD to DOOM
Checkmate is a great one like man said
@@Masked_SVincent MF Grimm's, "WW III" (aka, 'Take Em to War') is from this same era, and DOOM's heard on the intro. Maybe even same recording sessions at Stretch's crib. Has that same filtered, "AM sound" to it too.
For those not paying attention this was recorded when it aired on the radio,89.9 fm cm fambalam radio program aka strech and bobbito, imagine hearing this on the radio around 2 or 3 am back in 94
Really tho, I wonder who was onr of the lucky souls to have heard this in 94'
Damn i can't imagine. Some places in the US like where im from are nearly cultural deserts. 😅
this that Zev Love X \ MF Doom flow wish he had more tracks like this
There is also one for Go with the Flow
RIP DOOM
You know that's doom right
Check out the greenbacks 12 inch
@@TheBrohomie yoouuuu dont say?!?!?!
This song has been remade more than Gazzillion ear.
It’s interesting how this was recorded in 1994 and Zev was already mentioning his new name, and shouting out monsta island czars before 1997. It’s like the foreshadowing of the next chapter.
Was ahead of his time yo
he had always had the nickname Doom, it comes from his last name
This was the heyday of Nas, Big L, Biggie, and Wu Tang…and here was Zev on the cusp of becoming DOOM, destined to become a legend just like them.
I can't wrap my head around this loss.
I really got into DOOM after the King Geedorah album came out on Ninja Tune, before Madvillainy dropped the following spring. In that gap of time, Operation Doomsday became a car stereo mainstay throughout that high school summer. I already loved Quasimoto and Yesterday's New Quintet independently of DOOM's work, so when Madlib collaborated with MF Doom for Madvillainy, I was kind of in awe.
And now, I'm just in shock. We lost a legend this year.
Cool story
@@MichaelTurner856 who the fuck are you lol.
@@nickyd5427 I am he as you are as you are we and we are all together
@@MichaelTurner856 well ain’t you philosophical. Save it for the cute fast food worker at the mall. Ya daft prat
very similar listening history on my end. started listening in 2002 or 2003, right around the time I graduated high school. then he had that crazy run of classic albums while I was in college. I remember telling people how dope DOOM was but people weren't fuckin' with a dude in a mask. now it's clear that he's a legend and his sound will live forever.
death is always so bitter sweet
“Life After Death”
TWU
banana man has impeccable music taste 🙏
Good to see you here
Holy based
I can't lie, I love his tone from KMD days. A great voice
Best version I've heard by far.
What? The new one fucking smacks, although I'm not disappointed in this at all.
Just when I thought ‘94 couldn’t be a better year for rap music
This version sounds so much rawer. I love it.
This steely Dan sample goes so hard
Love this steely Dan sample. Zev Love X does so well over it.
Kinda reminds me of Biggie's transformation to Notorious BIG. His flow slowed down a lot and he was less animated but soooo DOPE!!!
Wait till you observe Mr. Funkee’s transformation into BIG
No dislike. True hip hop heads here.
I can't believe I'm just hearing this version for the first time right now. Thank you for posting lol
I love the sub adlibs in this track like this one 2:12 more then the ones on doomsday
wit the invicible betch
love it tbh
If Black Bastards had dropped in 1994 when scheduled (hopefully with better mixing) it would've been huge. Following the popularity of Mr Hood and the fact that 36 Chambers would've just warmed up the world for that style of rap. If subroc didn't die Doomsday wouldn't have been postponed so long and the whole album would've sounded like this I bet. And subroc would've had a wicked solo career too.
I like this version way better than the DOOMSDAY version more raw and DOOM's flow is like butter on this version this is the very little content you will hear of zev love x (anakin) before he turned into DOOM (Darth vader) I think that star wars comparison is very right for DOOM
This is basically MF DOOM issue #1: The Secret Origin
This is honeslty sick as fuck, cant get enough of it
Only the real ones know! This has nostalgia written all over It!
the song that turned Zev Love into DOOM
I agree. A fan since kmd days.
Just found out that this track was literally ghost produced by Subroc, which makes this even more eerie.
Interesting, what’s the source on that?
@@PaulPawlPallim curious too
@Jank9975 A closer friend of DOOM/Sub gave detail to this track and this Post- KMD era on reddit. I posted the link, but it kept getting deleted on here.
@@XyGemini can you drop the name of the post?
@Jank9975 Hot take: Even tho DOOM is finally getting recognition for being a master if not the master of lyricism, he still being VERY underrated as producer
This song is deadass the joint, both versions! Nuff respect to the God DOOM!!!
Dope stuff, I read on a forum some years back that he recorded the whole opereation doomsday album in '94, but re-recorded it when he got to fondle em in 97. I dont know if thats true or not, hopefully it is, Ive always wanted to hear more X/Doom demos from this time period.
Then dc comics hit them with a cease and desist because of the cover and copies got pulled from shelves to be restocked as white labels.
@@DJKaBz1 doctor doom is marvel bud
some of the stuff on Operation Doomsday was written and recorded as demos as far back as '94 yes, but the entire album itself definitely wasn't recorded that far back as even the title track couldn't have been written before 1998 given some of the lyrics. and the recording of Operation Doomsday came about because MF DOOM's singles like the original 12 inch version of Dead Bent were selling very well and the label wanted him to do an album, so he was already working with them for at least a year before Operation Doomsday was even considered
Like imagine if operation doomsday and Illmatic came out in the same year.
He sounds a lot more angry? I really don't know any other way to describe it
Sounds like Zev and DOOM at the same time lol
Zev's voice and DOOMs lyrics it's like hes between good and evil in his mind at this time
So was Zev planning to go down the DOOM route since 94? The lyrics are all the same, he’s still talking about ‘DOOM with the metal face’
@@zamin6060 I always wondered if the DOOM persona was planned that far back too. Listen to the end "?" how DOOM says everything going according to plan man when he talks about Subroc
This sounds like Zev Love X in my opinion, you can find a 1997 Single on Fondle Em Records which truly sounds like both of them at once. Listening to this followed by the 1997 version followed by the album version really gives an insight to the development of DOOM.
@@MrChoobs he used to write graffiti as DOOM but idk when that began. But I would assume he was writing DOOM before rapping under the name. I’m guessing MF may have started as a graffiti crew but I haven’t seen any info on it.
I like this more than the released version
He called him self super villain when he was zef love x
Yeah I been listening to the KMD album Black Bastards a lot recently and he calls himself a villain a few times on there so I think the villain idea was always in the back of DOOMs/Zevs head
I thought Mad Flowz GRiMM helped him with the idea?
@@0oidiedinatimemachineo024Black bastards is the shit love that album
This feels ultra-old school
Awesome bit of history had no idea this song was made originally back in 94.
If this ended up on Black Bastards, it would have been the best song on that, but Id have to figure he recorded this after Subroc died so I guess his delivery only became tighter.
If there is an afterlife. I hope you're up there with your brother.
Tell him all of your success. Your struggles.
He's gonna want to hear about the supervillain.
You and your brother will always be legends.
Goddamn, this might be my favorite version now!
R.I.P. KING 👑
Man I couldn’t imagine what DOOM was going through we he recorded this
REST IN PEACE MY HERO
love this. always coming back ❤
I needed this
30 Years Ago Today .....
Hell yeah this is the best version. A little Zev love X coming out in this version.
man i preffer that flow than the mf doom one, i wish this was the final
Damn this has alot more passion then the non chalant villain persona of mf doom
But also remember the non chalant villain persona sound is intentional ;)
This is the definitive version!
R.I.P Doom
This is a trip
why does cancers sound so much better than ciggarettes
pain. RIP ZEV
🔥🔥🔥
His flow was so amazing I can't seem to find words on how to describe what he was. King Geedorah, Metal Face, Metal Fingers, The Villain, Zev Love X, Viktor Vaughn, MF Doom or Daniel Dumile will always be one of the greatest after life after death rest in peace.
Shouts out Stretch and Bobbito
we will always remember you villain, Rest In Power MF DOOM and Subrock.
He’s with his brother now💯
Rest easy Zev. 🙏🏾
It surprises me that he already mentions the "metal face" in 1994 when most write-ups mention he only began performing with stockings on his face in the late 1990s, before switching to the mask. Does anybody know more about this?
That part of the song utilizes a Fantastic Four reference, so I assume he thus related his name (DOOM a.k.a. Dumille) to Dr Doom (the villain in the Fantastic Four). Probably just decided to run with those references and influences later on. Remember the mask very explicitly came from his love of those comics/cartoons.
@@PaulPawlPall That makes sense, thanks!
"Check it out!
Sweet Premium
See me, I'm chillin' like the *maniacal villain* that I am
Pull a scam
This is my kind of jam, buddy pal"
-KMD, Sweet premium wine
Btw if you want to hear his performance with the sock on the head you can see it on my page!
From what I'd heard he would have made something in the villain direction with Sub but the plan morphed to what we got.
@@withnail-and-i He's mentioned in an interview, him and Subroc were already planning to come out with their own unique supervillain persona's as alter-ego's before even Black Bastards was completed. I doubt had that plan actually gone through that DOOM's persona would be anywhere near how it ended up, however the roots of it were already there before Subroc even had passed. That's also why I get so confused when people claim DOOM "disappeared" for years after Sub died, I mean yes it wasn't like he was in the public spotlight, but he's said it himself he never stopped working on music after Sub died, he kept writing and releasing demo's throughout that entire time period, although obviously not as many people know or own these as he wasn't popular at the time. Operation Doomsday was not his "return" to the hip hop scene after a long hiatus, that album was only even offered to DOOM by his label because of how well his other singles that were out at the time were selling
1:31 to my brother subroc and crack jewel I crack brew for 🙏
In the corner
of my eye
I saw you at Rudy's,
you were very high
This is my favorite version of this song
I always play this when I feel sad.
This shit goes hard either one you listen to
Dope. Classic night of the Stretch Armstrong Show too.
The fucking GOAT. Listen to the hey demo after this and hear his evolution into the villain. We lost the best rapper of all time. RIP MF DOOM I hope you're getting the rest you deserve, because the world didn't deserve you 🖤
Legend!
Keep the eye on my eye swollen! Never be another
This is awesome but I think I like more his delivery in the final version.
best of both worlds
1 year, rest in peace to the illest villain MF DOOM
Rest in Beats DOOM we love you
This demo is better than anything that's been released under the guise of hiphop for the last 10 years.
the last ten years includes a shit ton of doom stuff. and probably a lot of good hip hop
Don't be like that dude, have u heard JPEGMAFIA? Hell Kendrick Lamar lol
This is rare of DOOM even in KMD era.
oh my god i had no idea this version existed. fuck man, and I thought the 97' version was the best. I love the 94' zev so much.
R.I.P fuckkkkkkk this song is insanely awesome. We lost a great artist 💔
X Evolvez to DOOM !
Aw that’s super clever.
This version just makes the original gas drawls kinda sad. He has that deadpan tone while rapping this shit and on this version he just seemed to be having fun.
I think the progression from black bastards to doomsday also just makes sense. He was gone for like 4 years? (I don’t wanna look it up) and he comes back with this new flow and new sound.
He sounds a lot more jaded if you will. This was recorded before his near homelessness, yet not much else is known; My guess is he spent these depressive years and wrote/ made a lot of his classic beats. MF DOOM practically said as much.
Also this video is a good musical timeline of Zevs transition. ua-cam.com/video/A6RfEXDtk38/v-deo.html
He definitely wasn’t in a happy when this was recorded due to subrocs death and elektra dropping him at the time
I APPROVE OF THIS VIDEO
This was a crazy stretch bobbito show… Born Allah killed the freestyle
Yeah, he was mad nice. Reminds me I need to peep that Movement Ex album.
One of his best
I like this version better; Doom on the mic with gusto
Real hip hop Forever
All Chicago heads know exactly what the "slice square like Sicilians" means! 😂
What a deep cut... long live DOOM
One to a one thousand. Not many can refute the dopeness
True
best version of this
rest in peace DOOM. 🌹✌️
Rest In Power DOOM
Wow I LOVE this!
R.I.P. the legend DOOM 🙏
so he definitley had ideas for DOOM at this point, called himseld X the unseen, but he still says 'versus Doom with the metal face' in the track. I wonder if he had thought of or had ideas for King Gheedorah already since he shouts out Monsta isle and Jet Jaguar (MF Grimm)
damn this version is dope
Unmatched talent
Miss him.
How can you dislike this