I played a Knowledge Cleric / Mastermind and had a TON of fun, insanely strong social character. Build them as a bit of a dex-y character and have fun.
There was an awesome trilogy of Forgotten Realms novels about a rogue (assassin) who got hand picked by Mask (God of thieves) and he multiclassed to cleric to act on Mask's behalf. (He might have even eventually become a Chosen of Mask) Edit; his name was Everis Cale and it was written by Paul S Kemp
Agreed. I think the dudes slept a bit on the utility that cunning action can give a cleric. I also think Soulknife works a bit better than they gave it credit for, because their Psi Bolstered Knack is just so incredibly useful. And sneak attack may not be as immediately impressive as Extra Attack for a more melee focused cleric, but it’s certainly no slouch and puts less of a hold on your cleric progression than five levels of fighter.
When you look at druids with their wildshape, you forget about circles of spore, wildfire, stars, that don't have to change into animal to be awesome and retain casting ability while using druid resource. Life domain cleric + 2 lvl star circle druid. Unbreakable concentration by lvl 2-4, and ability to patch up holes the size of an apple in your barbarian's body with 1 goodberry from cleric feature or with 1 cast via star-form of the chalice. Trust me it's amazing combo, best heal one can dish out on low-to-medium lvls.
I think stars druid is easily one of the best cleric multiclass combos in the game. It seems almost designed as a dip from Cleric. As you said, Chalice synergizes well with Cleric healing. It's almost like twinning a healing spell, except it doesn't require metamagic. Paired with Life domain, it means you can heal at a distance without even having to prepare any healing spells. Cure Wounds is always prepared for Life domain, so you can just cast it on yourself if no one else is within reach (and take a little extra healing from Disciple of Life), then use the chalice ability to heal someone else up to 30 feet away. Alternately, use Archer form for a spiritual-weapon-like ability, and save yourself a prepared spell, as well as any spell slots you would have spent on spiritual weapon. It recharges on a short rest! Or if you really want to keep your concentration up on a spell, you can go Dragon form instead. You can't roll lower than a 15 on concentration checks, which means you automatically succeed on the check when you take no more than 30 damage. Higher if you pick up Resilient - CON. This is great for a melee cleric build to help you keep your concentration on spirit guardians. You also get Guiding Bolt always prepared, plus some free uses of it per day. One more prepared spell and some spell slots you save. Finally, you get Guidance for free. If you were planning to take it anyway, that frees you up to take another cleric cantrip. Stars druid gives clerics a lot of versatility in how they play, and the best part is that you don't have to decide at the moment you choose the subclass. You could switch between play styles each battle.
Or shepard turning it into an aoe heal, so your lvl1 healing word heals one ally 1d4+mod+2+1(spell lvl)+2(amount of druid lvls) and all allies within 30ft for 2+1(spell lvl)+2(amount of druid lvls). Not an awful lot perhaps, but that's a total amount of healing comparable to mass healing word which is a 3rd lvl spell!! Sounds worth it to me!
for cleric/monk you could go for the Astral self to use flurry of blows effectively and potentially replace heavy armor with unarmed defense and mobility
@@Psuedo-Nim yeah, but you're a cleric and for you every ki point spent in transformation is almost like a 2nd lvl spiritual weapon, so each ki saves you 2nd lvl spell slots specially if going 1 lvl of fighter for unarmed fighting if don't want to go deep into monk
One thing I think you really missed with the Cleric/Druid is taking a dip into Stars Druid. Stars Druid gets you free guiding bolts, wildshape, absorb elements, and most importantly, the ability to have unbreakable concentration with the Dragon form. Since Clerics spend most of their time concentrating on spirit guardians. Going Cleric 8/Stars Druid 2 is an incredibly strong option.
The other thing you also get is a free familiar. With the new Tasha's rules you can use your wildshape to summon a familiar for up to an hour at lv2 twice per day. You get the upside of infiltration with wildshape when you need it. Or a familiar to give advantage in combat. The druid spells might not add alot but the 2 lv dip adds a lot of support and utility from the class features and the Stars or Shepard subclasses. I would argue it's at least a B if not an A. Low cost, high reward
These aren't dipping videos. They are actual multi-classing. It is assumed you take near equal levels. They are assuming much closer to 5/5, maybe 6/4. Dipping would be a different video.
C rating should not stand. Wildshaping utility is better than Monty was giving it credit, sounded like he forgot about it. There are also quite a few cantrips and lower level Druid spells that are stand out features. The nature cleric doesn’t get access to those. Also some rituals available that the cleric doesn’t have access to. The summoning spells the Druid has access to can be upcast quite effectively. Conjure animals, summon beast, and summon fey. That’s without taking into account circle features.
My girlfriend is currently playing a Twilight Cleric with two levels of Stars Druid and it works pretty well. Chalice helps with cleric healing, still have spiritual weapon, can take some of the more niche low level Cleric spells because most Druid support spells are on the Cleric list too. She has a good time with it and it has a lot of options at its disposal.
And the loss of Armor and Spiritual weapon for one round is worth it? Plus spell levels? Having more options is fun however purely on optimization levels I am skeptical.
Dragon Form is pretty nuts though. With a decent CON and Dragon Form active, your Con Checks for Spirit Guardians are very solid. Shillelagh and Thorn Whip are great Cantrips for a Cleric. Guidance and Guiding Bolt are always prepared and Guiding Bolt can cast for free based on your Proficiency Bonus.
@@Hyde_Hill The Cleric-Druid MC hugely depends on your DM's ruling on that stupid armor restriction. I play with very tolerant DMs who allow Breastplates made from wood or bone, scale armour made from snake skin or crocodile hide just as it can be made from dragonscales. In which case the Cleric-Druid is really great, though you're only dipping 2 levels for some 1st level spells: Absorb Elements, Faerie Fire, Entangle, Healing Word, Speak with Animals, and your first subclass feature -> Starry druid is good, Shepherd is nice as well for aura healing, or Wildfire for group teleport ability. However I'm sure we'll see in the druid video druid with 2 levels of cleric is much better than the reverse.
@@feelingrizzly1515 although I think magic stone is better most times because of Crusher and pulling them into your Spirit Guardians for additional dmg each turn
Circle of Stars 2 level dip is fantastic for a healing cleric (twilight, life, etc). Cast Beacon of Hope and use Chalice Starry Form. Every healing word heals someone with a cure wounds as well. Could be 2 characters, or a megaheal on 1. I mean with BoH up a 1st level healing word would heal 1 creature for 22 points for a 1st level slot and a bonus action.
Plus if you go up to 3rd lvl in druid you get access to pass without trace and summon beast. Very good if you plan on being a sneaky party, especially if you got someone in heavy armor. And another body on the board is never a bad thing
One thing about the Barb/Cleric is that a lot of the non-concentration spells like Death Ward, Aid, and even something like Warding bond all have very long durations. You don’t need to be casting them on turn after another because they’re meant to be used before getting into combat. You’ll most likely only lose one round of bonus actions by for spiritual weapon. Plus, the subclasses grant the character features that do not require concentration that are still helpful for the barbarian. The forge, twilight, war, peace, light, and grave give the cleric access to some really great battlefield utility. Plus, some give you divine strike to aid you even further.
@@fabiovarra3698 I get what you mean, but I feel like there’s enough synergy to make it at least a C, especially since if you wanna play a combat cleric, that does benefit from going barb, at least up to level 5
Tempest Cleric Barbarian is what could have been if the player from Seth Skorkowsky's "For Thor" video had decided to settle down in that town (if we pretend they were playing 5e, which they explicitly weren't)
10 cleric/5 barbarian works well. Even 7 Cleric/ 3 Barbarian is good. It's the last 2 levels of Barbarian that are painful because you continue to stunt you upper spell casting.
If you go war domain and just dip two levels into paladin, you can blow your higher level spell slots on thunderous smite and divine smite and then use your channel divinity to give yourself a +10 bonus to hit.
@talongreenlee7704 if you rolled good stats, you can go 5 lvls of paladin for extra attack and rest cleric for massive spell damage, just need 13 cha.
One level sorcerer dip is really good for a cleric. You do get a subclass, and then you take booming blade and utility cantrips like prestidigitation, minor illusion, and shape water. Also you can get all the reaction spells, like shield, silvery barbs, and absorb elements. On top of that, if you take Sorcerer at level one you get proficiency in Constitution saving throws.
A three level dip for Font of Magic and Metamagic works too. Subtle is cheap and effective, and you can get more by breaking down Spell Slots on the Cleric you don't use. Twinned for buffs. I agree with DDs that Divine Soul kinda gets you all this without needing Cleric, maybe dipping Peace or Twilight Cleric for armour and the subclass level 1 features, but maining Cleric does seem weaker. Still, if you DO end up doing this it is still better than D.
For the Rogue/Cleric, I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Inquisitive Rogue, as it uses Wisdom for a bunch of features (including getting sneak attack).
This could make an interesting hunter of heretics, an arm of the church dedicated to rooting out corruption by any means necessary even those considered unseemly. A witch hunter.
Ive been playing an inquisitive rogue rogue / trickery domain cleric for the past 3 years and for a social interaction based campaign, the multipleclassing feels great.
Cleric - ranger can also work once you get spirit guardians up you can use archery instead of toll the dead for your subsequent actions, in addition to the mentioned exploration benefits
A Cleric Barbarian that stacks a load of Guardians of Faith in a row and then uses rage to grapple enemies and run them past all the guardians, and holds a dash action to do it again immediately after their turn is over? At least it's a nice easy damage calculation! Edit: No wait, this doesn't come online by level 6. That couldn't possibly be a Colby build!
So with Cleric/Ranger, you can get that Shillelagh play style you thought about with Druid due to the fighting style with a two level dip, and extra attack like fighter at level 5, alongside the various Ranger "once a turn" damage buffs Basically, Cleric/Ranger offers similar amounts of gishy potential as Cleric/fighter, but doesn't slow your spell progression *as* much. Cleric 15/Ranger 5 is a pretty fun experience most of the way through
Every ranger can get Shillelagh after Tasha's. Gloomstalker and Fey Wanderer are stand outs as they add wisdom to bonus features. Though multiclassing with pet subclasses is never a good idea.
Was going to mention the Fey Wanderer. Throw Canny onto Persuasion, getting Charm Person, gaining proficiency on Deception (and don't forget the Wis bonus doesn't replace but is on top of any Cha bonus); suddenly your cleric is one of the best Party Faces in the game without going near the Trickery domain. Plus adding an extra 1d4 Physic to your Shillelagh is a nice cherry on top.
They definite did this combo dirty. I think they were stuck on the idea of the cleric being a STR/WIS class, but this combo would lean to a DEX/WIS build wearing light armor and using ranged/finesse weapons. Ranger is bringing in a fighting style and extra attack, as well as some good spells the cleric normally doesn't get. This is a great build for a ranged cleric that isn't going to be using spirit guardians. It is not so good for melee, but still workable. Ranger should be a low B at least.
@@daltigoth3970 Another mistake was comparing it to the Paladin, when it should’ve been to the Fighter. And if Fighter’s an A, Ranger is pretty close. And they rated it worse the then Monk :/
Ranger Cleric is nuts. Definitely an A, holy life ranged arrows of God. They play at a distance, heal at a distance, and ranger utility makes the whole party so hard to keep down. Fun to DM for as well, they play like a holy robinhood
Nat 1 has no influence on saving throws nor ability checks, meaning that you won't have the chance yo fail any concentration checks unless you take 22+ damage in a single hit
@@abcrasshadow9341 look dude I don’t know what rules YOU play with, but at every single table I’ve ever played with, a natural 1 is a failure no matter what and that’s how I’m fairly certain most people play it
@@gengar618 Well, actually 5e's player's handbook says that nat 1 and nat 20 affect attack rolls, but neither affect ability checks or saves unless you house rule it. Check it out, there's no need to get offended by that
As of right now, I am playing a Wild Fire Druid/Light Domain Cleric, and so far, the field control and support has sky rocketed. The wild fire spirit being able to teleport allies and the cleric warding flare does make a great combination.
As any cleric, dipping one level of sorcerer gives the shield spell which is invaluable for a cleric. You can get an AC of around 24 with this method which makes you really tanky. Also, since cleric spells dont scale up super hard at later levels, giving up that one level of spell progression isn't too bad. Also if you dip divine soul sorcerer, it gives you favored by the Gods which is just a really strong and versatile ability. I think that multiclass deserves an A.
in theory with splint armor which is 17 plus a shield is 19 plus shield spell which is 21 at level 3 and if you have ceremony and a level 3 zealot barbarian in your party you can constantly marry the party together and then kill and revivify the barb at no cost for a free +2 ac for the whole party which is 23 ac at level 3
The opposite is even better 1 cleric the rest sorcerer. Gives you heavy armor, healing and far more utility for 1 level of cleric. I played that character and it's nutty. Twin spell healing word is probably the best healing spell in game. It's 1st level and 1 sorcery point to revive two party members from unconsciousness
I play a Cleric 5 / Wizard 3 and I'm really enjoying it. I did have to ask my DM if I could get a Headband of Intellect first (I had INT 13 to fit the requirements, so the Headband was just so that I don't have to use just ASIs), and that does mean that one of my attunement spots will likely permanently be used for that, but being a Cleric / Wizard (and more importantly effective at both) is great fun!
I’m playing a Four Elements/Tempest Cleric now and the thematic potential is awesome. Even at lower levels when you’re only getting access to one or two elemental disciplines, adding Tempest Cleric gives you essentially a whole other discipline. Granted, I’m approaching this from the monk-first perspective, but have been super pleased with the play style.
Cleric multiclassing with stars Druid is really amazing. Especially with life domain. Also grabbing Shillelagh let’s you use wisdom for attacks if you want a more martial build.
My time has come!! Currently running a Twilight Cleric 13/ Circle of Stars Druid 3. Running around with my Twilight Sanctuary up, while having upcast SG, and SW means I then have the option to be Healbot 9000 or DPS like a bat out of hell. Running it as a wood elf gives me a bunch of great thematic racial options as well. It’s extremely versatile and I’ve kept my party up many many times by focusing on support while locking enemies down.
Same! I also am thinking of taking levels in ranger for gloomstalker, cause the twilight sanctuary creates dim light, and anything that can see you in that 30 ft radius must have dark vision, and as a gloomstalker you are invisible to anything that is using dark vision to see. Ergo as long as your sanctuary is up, either they can’t see you cause they don’t have dark vision and you are invisible to those that use dark vision. Meaning you are essentially invis as long as your sanctuary is up.
I love playing as a Gloomstalker Ranger 5/ Twilight Cleric 2 in my current campaign. I know it fits as a more of a Cleric dip but it’s so much fun. If your race already has Darkvision, you get 330 feet total. Plus using Guiding Bolt shot from a bow is thematically awesome! Vigilant Blessing and Dread Ambusher to almost guarantee first turn in Initiative. Also using Fairie Fire to set up advantage on your next round of shots is great. Can’t lose build!
2 level ranger dip gives you Druidic warrior and expertise in perception or insight. And with 1 more level you can go gloomstalker for a bonus to initiate or swarmkeeper to apply forced movement with spirit guardians. I'll also say that cleric/monk is a great combo. Even with just 3 or 4 monk levels you can use your action to cast powerful spells, then using your bonus action to dodge greatly increasing your survivability while pumping out good damage.
I am playing a Life Cleric (5) / Stars Druid (2) right now and I'm having a blast. The good berries out of combat healing is amazing. and beacon of hope with chalice form is great in combat healing. not to mention I can use a wild shape charge to cast find familiar. I chose a spider who hangs out with my Barbarian and I can cast touch spells through my familiar, and give my barb advantage. We are having a lot of fun. Also my DM allowed for non metal heavy armor so I'm having fun tracking down rare beasts to craft armor from. also wanted to say I love the videos! keep it up!
Wildfire druid only relies on single class scaling for the HP of the familiar (and, admittedly, some higher level abilities). It does paltry damage. It's main use is teleportation, which could be quite useful for the Healer.
Warlock and Cleric would be cool for an Angel and devil vibe. Perhaps the person unintentionally made a deal with a devil and is now seeking to brake that deal, having put their faith in a higher power.
Indeed, and the god doesnt even need to be the patron of a cleric/warlock multi, it could be a high ranking angel/celestial in service to the god, to use Christianity for an example, imagine having an archangel as your patron. your god sees you as important enough to delegate off your own personal handler. Very conductive to roleplay.
That's what I'm currently playing, Life Cleric 6/Celestial Warlock 4 Currently, interesting playstyle, can take a bit to ramp up but versatile damage output and options.
Cleric/Sorcerer is really good if you take order cleric and just one level of divine soul sorcerer for silvery barbs so that you can use the voice of authority ability as a reaction.
Yeah but you can also just take the magic initiative feat for this. Plus you get 2 cantrips, take thornwhip and you can pull creatures in your spirit guardians. All this and it doesn't cost you a cleric level.
@@NickErkens-ft1ve your method doesn't work since you need to be able to cast goodberry more than once for it to be useful. Magic initiate only let's you cast it once. Also, feats are few and far between, you can't go spending them on magic initiate when there are significantly better feats out there such as resilient (con) and war caster. It ends up being that dipping one level into druid is a much smaller opportunity cost and therefore, a better option.
@Steelsly i thought you could use your spell slots also for goodberry. You can get quit many feats so i see magic initiative as a good option also for the cantrips, you can get that and also the feats you said, I see your point but i dont know if sacrificing a level 20 for cleric for a level one druid is worth it.
@@NickErkens-ft1ve I think I should point out that dipping a level of druid also gets you the druid cantrips. And no, you cannot use your spell slots on the goodberry from magic initiate. You just cast it once and that's it for the day. As for your point on the level 20 cleric, I'd be inclined to agree if you are going all the way to level 20 just because the cleric capstone is very strong. But that is really rare for a character to go up to level 20. For any character going up to level 19 or below, it's well worth dipping the one level in druid.
One thing I've found interesting about these multiclassing tier lists is how most of them focus almost entirely on how they can deal more damage and almost never on the utility such as buffing skill checks. I almost always rate classes that give expertise/canny/jack of all trades on a 1/2 lv dip higher than the Dungeon Dudes because in my campaigns we use a lot of skill checks.
That’s also why I’m shocked druid didn’t get an S, and was wondering if they were going to say astral monk was the S or if something in the ranger was S, like gloomstalker adding to initiative and that first round damage. I do still think full cleric is the real S tier option when starting as a cleric, but Druid’s wild shape seems to only be looked at for the moon druids damage. Kelly even mentioned how using wild shape lets you get in to almost ANYWHERE, but somehow it wasn’t enough.
On the other hand, even if you don't have an expert in the party that can make the check better than you without sacrificing levels for it, Cleric can already give themselves or another person Guidance for any skill check they know is coming.
@Esja my comment wasn't just about this video but about all of the multiclassing videos released so far. I agree that guidance is fantastic and better than expertise at early levels. When combined it can allow for some incredible consistency
@@ancientgammoner6961 you can make armor out of nonmetal materials. If you’re a dwarven cleric with a druid dip, you could have plate armor made of stone. Hell, any cleric/druid could use dragon scale mail and not have to have 15 strength or be a dwarf to wear it. Granted that is an actual magic item and not just flavor, but the point still stands
Stars 2/Twilight x is super thematic even if it isn't the most optimal. I'm playing a twilight cleric who worships the moon goddess Selune so being able to transform so a star map appears on your body works really well.
I'm playing a Sorcerer/Cleric multiclass, but I started as Sorcerer. The metamagic, especially twin and subtle spell, have really helped make those early level cleric spells shine even more. Upcast cure wounds with twin spell or a revivify while subtle spelled is great.
If monk can be good I think better arguments could be made for ranger as well. You could use wisdom for attacks with shilleilagh as mentioned with monks. Gloomstalker for a stronger opening, or any other ranger that give you extra damage on attacks. Fey wanderer will let you use wisdom for charisma skills. You also get expertise through optional features, and a fighting style.
Excellent video as always! I do think you underrate the Druid dip a bit (I'd probably give it a B) for a couple key reasons. Firstly, even one level in Druid gives you five or six more spells prepared. Granted these need to be Druid spells, but as well as getting some quite strong Druid spells like Absorb Elements and Faerie Fire, this lets you prepare Healing Word, Detect Magic, Cure Wounds etc. as a Druid, freeing up your Cleric preparation for higher-level spells. Secondly, as @sleidman mentioned below, Stars Druid is *great* for a cleric; Starry Form gives you your choice of substantially boosted healing, auto-success on most concentration checks (removing the need to take Warcaster), or essentially free Spiritual Weapon, plus you get a bunch of free castings of Guiding Bolt. Additionally, with the new Tasha's rules you can use Wild Shape to cast Find Familiar, which adds a ton of utility in both exploration and combat.
I did a really fun grave domain spores druid in hindsight I probably would have chosen a different druid subclass but I very much enjoyed having the combination of distinct healing spells, combined with the combat maneuverability of tiny animals. And thematically I enjoyed the idea of a druid cleric who worshiped essentially the cycle of death and rebirth
For the monk using shillelagh, an optional feature in Tashas allows you to make an Attack with a monk weapon as a bonus action it you spend a ki point during your attack. So, if you stunning strike, you can bonus action staff and not rely on dex as much
I think this video highlights how cleric might be the strongest class in the game. They get powerful from the beginning, and scale incredibly well throughout the whole campaign. Their spell list is very versatile, from buffs, healing to some very strong damage options (guiding bolt, guardian spirits) and even some potent control spells.
Clerics are not fighters that brings the hurt train, they're not bang for buck Spellcasters. But you can bet your bottom penny whenever there's a cleric in the party. Or a lack of cleric in the party especially when you're thick in the shit. That heat is real and feeling it. I love dex based fast movers that are stealthy and shooty. I would not be able to do what I do without a cleric backing my ass. Hell I won't even feel confident doing what I do without knowing one of them is around watching my back.
Why druid and sorcerer are good dips for clerics. Druid cleric is something I've played both ways. Star druid X + Arcana 1 to be a better blaster and Twilight X + Moon 2 (Arguably the cleric that benefit the most from not multiclassing). Benefit of 1 level in druid and two levels in moon druid specifically. 1, Fk ton of prepared spells. There's a lot of overlap in the first level spells and preparing those as a druid can allow for more niche choices for the higher level cleric spells. Having something like dispel evil and good, freedom of movement, life transference, calm emotions, daylight, gentle repose, cleric ritual spells (all golden), speak with dead, borrowed knowledge etc when you had no reason to creates moments of excitement at the table comparable to a paladin crit smiting or a fighter killing a boss in one turn. Also you get stuff like absorb elements, entangle, ice knife etc. 2, 2 Levels in moon druid can make you exceptionally tanky as a bonus action (bear/rocktopus) and also exceptionally mobile (moorbounder). Putting Twilight on top makes it so much better as you can stack the HP and also turn the 70 ft movement speed a moorbounder has into a 70 ft fly speed. You can get spells to allies who are too far away by holding action to release the spell when you can put it on them and then wild shaping into something with better movement speed. With sorcerors the answer is much simpler. 1, shield and absorb elements. 2, metamagic (usually made better by taking the feat as well) subtle and extended for extended buffs unconterspellable healing spells when it matters and also extended Aura of Vitality (bonkers on a life cleric.)
Nature Cleric/Astral Monk allows weapon attacks (with Shillelagh) and unarmed strikes (with the Astral arms) to use Wisdom for attack and damage rolls. More synergy there.
I played a Twilight Cleric that took 2 levels into War magic wizard (ended the campaign qith 20 wis & 14 int) and mainly used those wizard levels to grab cantrips and several 1st level utility/ritual wizard spells that didn't require int such as magic missile, detect magic always on deck in my spellbook, etc. War Magic also allowed for passing concentration saves on spirit guardians while not worrying too much about the drawback of being unable to cast leveled spells the turn after due to active effects such as Twilight Sanctuary and spiritual weapon. I definitely filled the utility & support caster role of that campaign party.
A two level dip into Tempest Cleric allows other spell casters to nova with something like Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning using the Channel Divinity.
Probably the first time I heard you guys talk about the Monk so favorably. Also i wont lie, it wasn't until this video that I even thought of such a multiclass before....and wow does it sound fun. Twlight Cleric with Shadow Monk sounds like Moon Knight to me lol
For cleric/Monk you could also use Spiritual Weapon to weaponize your bonus action instead of worrying about flurry of blows, keeping yourself SAD. Then your ki is free and clear for Stunning Strike
I'm imaging Tifa in FF7R spamming her true strike (not to be confused with the inferior D&D counterpart) while Cloud stands on the other side swinging his sword. Monk and Cleric are an amazing combination.
I played a monk years ago and due to the story and my character arc I ended up multiclassing in Cleric and honestly, it was really great! I think it was 6 monk and then 3 to 4 cleric? It's been a while, but I loved it. Granted you guys are looking at it as a cleric dipping into Monk, but the other way does oddly work.
Regarding the Cleric/Druid, I voted for it because of the Circle of Stars and Chalice Starry Form (taking a 2 level dip) combined with the Life Domain Cleric I find its good early on with Healing Word/Cure Wounds, as it can either Heal you and an Ally or Heal 2 Allies (especially if they were downed).
The part where you talked about Cleric/Rogue reminded me of a build I recently used in a one shot where I was a Soul Knife Rogue that I flavored as a Paladin actually. He was an agent for the church keeping eyes on a shady operation. When he called his soulknife for the first time in the session he reached up in the air and plucked out a streak of sunlight.
When they brought up cleric/rogue and something like arcane trickster/arcana, I thought of a John Constantine like character and now feel the need to explore it more.
I think there's something to be said for multiclassing a Cleric into the Stars Druid for 2 levels, as you can expend Wild Shape on Starry Form for 10 minutes for a number of good benefits. Chalice offers an extra 1d8+wis heal that can have its own target, which comes up every time you cast a healing spell. Archer gives a 1d8+wis bonus action radiant ranged attack every turn, perhaps as a decent spiritual weapon alternative in a pinch. And Dragon, you get a concentration check floor of 10 on the d20. (Also comes with free Guidance and some free Guiding Bolts uses.) Maybe not perfect for falling behind a spell level in progression, but perhaps good for certain builds! Also, quick note on Rogue: Soul Knife doesn't need int. Slightly easier for multiclassing potential!
My favorite build for Cleric/ Druid is a 50/50 split between tempest domain and circle of the land (mountain). You end up with more spells prepared than anyone, and if you need power, then just max out the damage on a lightning bolt or call lightning spell. Tempest domain clerics don't get access to a lot of good thunder/lightning spells for abusing their channel divinity. So this is only a boost for your cleric. Plus, since both classes give domain spells as well as extra spell prep with your high wisdom, you end up with a boatload of extra spells prepped in your late game. At level 20, you 48 spells prepared for levels 1-5. For this build, you start with a level of each and then go for Cleric 2/ druid 1. Your build is officially online with extra spell versatility and the ability to amp up certain damages. Next, beeline for Cleric 3/ druid 2. At this point you have access to both domain lists and the ability to cast Shatter, which you can cast harder than a fireball of equivalent level. 3rd, beeline for Cleric 3/ druid 5, and now you're in your full swing with call lightning, lightning bolt, and shatter as the case requires, plus you have a potential 26 spells prepared, compared to the cleric's 21 at this point. Keep taking two levels at a time of either until you're the grumpy stormcloud/ swiss army knife of the party with cleric 10/druid 10. If you're worried about falling behind on damage, take two levels of fighter to action surge, and now you can out damage most casters using "lesser" spells. It's a fun build.
I did a dip into grave cleric as an inquisitive rogue, and that subclass combo worked very well, especially with the inquisitive rogue’s focus on Wisdom.
Light Domain 8 / Evoker Wizard 2 gives the Cleric sculpt spells and some additional ritual spells like Find Familiar and Identify. So you only need a 13 INT
First off, great video, love you guys: I get what you are saying about wanting to take more than 1 or 2 levels Cleric in this scenario, but I think story wise it is relatively easy to role-play a character that starts off as a cleric and then early on in their adventures seeks power through different means especially as they interact with different characters
If I were to multiclass cleric/rogue I would go inquisitive, scout, or swashbuckler, and my goal would be roleplaying as a member of my Temple's inquisition.
There’s an amazing on little sorcerer/cleric build where you go sorcerer X/Cleric 2 (although you are majorly sorcerer instead of cleric). If you choose tempest domain cleric to get the channel divinity Destructive Wrath, and use a metamagic to transform your elemental spell damage into thunder or lightening, you can get a fireball-turned lighteningball-and rolling max damage on a mass amount of enemies
Cleric dipping a level in sorcerer or wizard to gain access to the shield spell and absorb elements is more powerful than anything they talked about today.
Here I was, just grillin and chillin when I thought my day couldn't get any better and the dudes put out a ranking vid. It don't get much better than this!
@@Hyde_Hill the twilight gives you the ability of limited flight, almost guarantees you win initiative for that damage boost, an extra d8 with divine strike, etc etc. you get a lot out of gloomstalker 5/ twilight x.
@@Hyde_Hill the key was in versatility. The Gloomstalker gave the character unbelievable stealth in the Underdark, while the Twilight Cleric gave them the temp HP buff and powerful magic in combat. They don't need to synergize in the sense that they both have powers going at the exact same time. Just imagine a Level 3 Gloomstalker. Now imagine a Level 3 Twilight Cleric. By themselves, they are fantastic, and because they both don't interfere, they work wonderfully in one character.
@@YoungTroy23 The initiative I will grant you. The flight would mainly be out of combat. But for the initiative the dip would be the other way around. So more a cleric dip with gloomstalker. 8 levels of cleric/5 gloomstalker is pretty end campaign for 1d8 on one attack. Plus you wouldn't channel divinity first turn, which is very strong part of of twilight cleric. I grant versatility however it is at the cost of overall power imho. 1 level dip on a gloomstalker seems stronger for armor and initiative advantage plus some utility spells. I would say they do interfere to a degree action economy wise though. Also feat selection if want to make the most of your gloomstalker.
@@Hyde_Hill flight in combat is incredibly potent since most non-humanoids do not have ranged attacks and it’s non-concentration. As for action economy it depends entirely on what spells you choose and how you choose to engage in combat. It’s not perfect but it’s way higher than D-tier since it’s essentially a ranger support options and reliable ways to deal with undead foes in mass and a very potent channel divinity.
So here's my pitch for the rogue/cleric hybrid: guidance and expertise combine like chocolate and peanut butter. Can you imagine a rogue that can cast enhance ability or pass without trace (from trickery domain)? Or what about a grave domain/ assassin build? Use your channel divinity to double the damage on your next attack, and then get an automatic critical, which essentially means the equivalent of 4 attacks with sneak attack. Try a knowledge domain/ scout combo with human variant prodigy, and grab 7 expertise by level 4. Give this guy a whip, a hand crossbow, and a fear of snakes, and you just made Indiana Jones! A single level of rogue is enough to make any character into a reliable skill monkey backup. Rogues, barbarians, hexblades, and clerics are the single level dips that change everything.
CLERIC SORCERER WORKS AS LONG AS THE SORCERER SPELLS YOU TAKE DONT NEED A SAVE OR A ROLL, FOR EXAMPLE: SHIELD, ABSORB ELEMENTS, MIRROR IMAGE, HASTE, FLY, ETC AND YOU GET METAMAGIC, TWIN GUIDING BOLT OR DISTANT CURE WOUNDS, OR YOU COULD JUST GO TEMPEST CLERIC/STORM SORCERER
Currently playing a Sea Elf / Drake Warden ranger (player level 4), and was thinking of going Tempest Cleric after level 11 (DM is allowing me to have the Large Drake form at lvl 11). I really like the flavor of a Sea Elf (Pirate background btw), riding a Dark Blue dragon, wielding the power of the Seas below.
Typing this pre watching. Had a thought through this myself and got some basic thoughts, but I was struck by how hard it was to judge because I didn't have a great picture in my head of what the Cleric as a main class is because of how early their domaibs get important characteristics. Teally looking forward to the video now.
A light cleric/great old one or fiend warlock sounds like a mashup of Zoroastrianism mixed with yin and yang. “There must be balance, and I am here to bring it!”
16:22 so agree with Kelly. My players last night all used wild shapes to get past a river. Had other means but choose that way across. Sharks and crocodiles. I loved it!!
Great vid! Personally, I can't imagine playing a trickery cleric without a few levels of rogue or bard. And I'd imagine that most of the votes for druid were due to the goodberry/life domain combo. I actually played a monk/cleric. I think he was monk 6/ cleric 5. That character was an excellent battlefield medic with his ability to zoom around the map.
The Holy Trickster Sounds like Loki! With the illusions of a double from the trickery domain With sneak attack since you have advantage With shadow blade and ice knife That’s pretty neat!
A three level dip into Swarmkeeper ranger can give a cleric some excellent thematics for spirit guardians, and also the ability to make ranged attacks that force movement into your spirit guardians area, for extra damage on your turn as well as when they start their turn in the spirit guardians area.
Hello, I played a Life cleric for one level then a fighter for two levels then back to cleric. We were playing the Curse of Straud. I played a variant human with the healer feat, plate armor (which we were allowed to buy) and a 15 strength. I was a frontline breast and healed everyone like it was going out of style! I used Shield of Faith and a physical shield, too. I was able to zip around the battlefield smashing enemies with a mace and healing anyone who was in trouble. I loved the character!
Druid build : Learned about it in a video the Star/Life domain. Only 2 level of druid and i can add more healing. I also have free guiding Bolt so im not feeling i lose something in my cleric. I also feel that this circle can go well with other builds but it feel so good to imagine a special healer that combine star and divine magic. You can heal 2 caracther with a single healer word
For cleric/wizard, I played a war wizard who was then converted into a war cleric. Ended up with way more cleric levels. It happened for roleplay reasons, seeing a god actually smite someone in person, but it played well. Since you guys love wading into melee with spirit guardians, the +4 reaction to a saving throw to keep it, or just cast shield, was great. If you do a 5/5 split, the wizard gets you counterspell, which is just amazing to upcast with your higher spell slots. This combo really focuses on upcasting concentration spells and keeping them going.
Loving this single class videos!! Been waiting for this once since I wanted to hear thoughts on the cleric/bard combo as I am playing on! Been midmaxing a tabaxi Twilight cleric who's taking 3 levels into glamour bard. I find it to actually be quite strong and it makes for a lot of fun roleplay. The inspiration die are great to pass a quick buff onto other players and it's added some excellent additions to my spell list. PLUS the glamour bard abilities are a lot of fun to play around with. I will admit though, I'm in a fortunate enough situation with rolls that going into bard was actually viable.
Twilight cleric/star druid is a very good combo due to the constellations synergy with twilight temp hp. I have a character that my dm hates thats 4 levels star druid and 8 cleric, it flies, and uses wither and bloom to aoe drain enemies and heal an ally while in chalice form for the extra free healing. And if it needs to be more blasty he uses archer constellation for a free bonus action d8 of radiant damage
My current character started off with 1 level of Forge Domain cleric and then immediately multiclassed into battle smith artificer and its been a blast. The blessing of the forge and support spells from cleric really helps buff the party up, and as the party's tank I can really take more of a punishment than my squishier full caster counterparts
I'm a Rogue main, and I really liked your ideas behind Cleric/Rogue. I fell in love with this concept back when I played an old 3rd edition game 20 years ago. The idea of a Cleric that follows a trickster god, or one that follows a god of hidden knowledge, really appeals to me. When you get to your Monk video, seriously consider a Monk/rogue. I had a surprising amount of success with my role-playing and combat ability playing a Monk (cant remember subclass) and Inquisitive Rogue. It was, of all things, a grappler, singling out a single target at the edge of the melee (usually enemy archers, casters, or rogues) and using insightful fighting and grapples to prevent them from getting away. As for role play, I was an Urchin who eventually joined the city guard. I had a mother, but she was a prostitute and didn't have time to raise me much. It was VERY disconcerting to the boss when, my dress covered in blood, I ripped it off and started to grapple him in the nude, punching his lights out.
I'm playing a tempest cleric with one level of divine soul sorcerer, and I gotta say it's great. Wading into combat with access to shield and absorb elements feels nice, and taking cantrips that don't depend on charisma for their utility let's me have a far more diverse range of tools. Especially with 4 cantrips to start. Having the 2d4 is just a cherry on top. With how powerful up casting cleric spells like spiritual weapon and spirit guardians, and even cure wounds, it's not that bad to fall behind on the spell level progression. For my build that meant 6 levels of cleric, then 1 of sorcerer so I have 4th level slots, which are strong even without 4th level spells.
If you are planning on splitting the levels more equally going forward and get to tempest cleric 6/sorcerer 6, pick up transmute spell metamagic, Fireball and Ashardalon's Stride spells. Upcast Ashardalon's Stride and make it lighting damage for a no save lightning damage spell that just automatically hits anything you get within 5 feet of no action required and let's you push them also without a save. Really great for dealing lots of damage while rounding enemies up to all be in range for an upcast and transmuted to lightning damage Fireball that you can then use the channel divinity to make it deal maximum damage.
@@rawr3060 That's definitely something that's been on my mind! The specific combo I'm looking for is with the spell Firestorm. Same idea but I only have a 13 in cha, so I'm just dipping for utility stuff. At third level I plan on stopping
@31:50, I played a Mastermind 3/Order Cleric 5 in a one shot last year, which was such a fun support build: being able to give an ally a reaction attack AT ADVANTAGE was such a blast, and ended up really helping us through some of the trickier encounters of the adventure.
My first 5e character was a Life Cleric/Swashbuckler Rogue. I mainly did it for the roleplay/backstory purposes, but the character was absolutely a blast to play!
Tempest Cleric of Valkur: Cleric 18 / Wizard Diviner 2 - ASI Fey Touched (Silvery Barbs). After 4 years and 70 game sessions, my Cleric catchphrase to the DM/Gods above was "It has been foretold". Something the DM learned to dread. You go up to 8 as Cleric and take a 2 dip as Diviner 9, 10. In full plate, shield, you pickup Shield and Find Familiar, you now have an absurd number of cantrips, you can misty step and screw around with all rolls. Fun, useful, completely an A.
I used a cleric/monk build in the Netherdeep campaign. I played a human variant with Twilight Cleric 1 just to give darkvision to others, reroll initiative, and the Eldritch Adept feat for Devil's Sight (healing word was great, too.) And then the rest was Way of Shadow Monk. The biggest problem with the build was that my random chronicle was that I was a weretiger. We changed the immunity to non-magical damage to a resistance.
I have a Tempest domain Cleric 5 - Order of scribes Wizard 5 - Mounted combatant - Harengon riding a mastiff, it's a pretty good tank, very versatile, and the awakened spellbook + destructive wrath upcasting fireball is very fun and effective.
I've played two cleric-fighter, a Forge Domain / Rune Fighter and a Life Domain / Battlemaster, and they were quite the tanky support, not the damage dealer, but the center of the fight both as a beacon for allies and a resilient taunt for enemies (a Large cleric with spirit guardian is a plague in small rooms…)
I am currently playing a Tempest Domain + Battle Master, Cleric Fighter multi-class. The character more than excels in both close quarter combat as well as ranged combat. Not to mention that it’s an amazing support character thanks to being able to choose my spells after every long rest. I can facilitate whatever need my party has whilst also enjoying a power fantasy. I’d say a 5 level dip in Battle Master is the sweet spot. Get your maneuvers, get your extra attack, and continue to expand your cleric spells.
Please do more single-class party videos. The wizard one was amazing!
Single class cleric party would work amazingly well I think.
I mean 4 clerics overlapping spirit guardians. Everyone say it with me. Death
The way they discussed the others made it seem like they were planning on making it a series
Single class monk party LUL
YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
PRETTY PLEASE WITH ALL THE THINGS ON TOP!!!!!
I played a Knowledge Cleric / Mastermind and had a TON of fun, insanely strong social character. Build them as a bit of a dex-y character and have fun.
I'm playing that right now. It's good fun
There was an awesome trilogy of Forgotten Realms novels about a rogue (assassin) who got hand picked by Mask (God of thieves) and he multiclassed to cleric to act on Mask's behalf. (He might have even eventually become a Chosen of Mask)
Edit; his name was Everis Cale and it was written by Paul S Kemp
Agreed. I think the dudes slept a bit on the utility that cunning action can give a cleric. I also think Soulknife works a bit better than they gave it credit for, because their Psi Bolstered Knack is just so incredibly useful. And sneak attack may not be as immediately impressive as Extra Attack for a more melee focused cleric, but it’s certainly no slouch and puts less of a hold on your cleric progression than five levels of fighter.
Basically Temenos from Octopath Traveler 2 if anyone is playing that, and Temenos is awesome
I am building towards this at the moment in one of my campaigns so its good to hear others are enjoying it
When you look at druids with their wildshape, you forget about circles of spore, wildfire, stars, that don't have to change into animal to be awesome and retain casting ability while using druid resource.
Life domain cleric + 2 lvl star circle druid. Unbreakable concentration by lvl 2-4, and ability to patch up holes the size of an apple in your barbarian's body with 1 goodberry from cleric feature or with 1 cast via star-form of the chalice. Trust me it's amazing combo, best heal one can dish out on low-to-medium lvls.
I think stars druid is easily one of the best cleric multiclass combos in the game. It seems almost designed as a dip from Cleric. As you said, Chalice synergizes well with Cleric healing. It's almost like twinning a healing spell, except it doesn't require metamagic. Paired with Life domain, it means you can heal at a distance without even having to prepare any healing spells. Cure Wounds is always prepared for Life domain, so you can just cast it on yourself if no one else is within reach (and take a little extra healing from Disciple of Life), then use the chalice ability to heal someone else up to 30 feet away.
Alternately, use Archer form for a spiritual-weapon-like ability, and save yourself a prepared spell, as well as any spell slots you would have spent on spiritual weapon. It recharges on a short rest!
Or if you really want to keep your concentration up on a spell, you can go Dragon form instead. You can't roll lower than a 15 on concentration checks, which means you automatically succeed on the check when you take no more than 30 damage. Higher if you pick up Resilient - CON. This is great for a melee cleric build to help you keep your concentration on spirit guardians.
You also get Guiding Bolt always prepared, plus some free uses of it per day. One more prepared spell and some spell slots you save.
Finally, you get Guidance for free. If you were planning to take it anyway, that frees you up to take another cleric cantrip.
Stars druid gives clerics a lot of versatility in how they play, and the best part is that you don't have to decide at the moment you choose the subclass. You could switch between play styles each battle.
Even for Wildshape, the utility of it is still quite helpful.
Or shepard turning it into an aoe heal, so your lvl1 healing word heals one ally 1d4+mod+2+1(spell lvl)+2(amount of druid lvls) and all allies within 30ft for 2+1(spell lvl)+2(amount of druid lvls). Not an awful lot perhaps, but that's a total amount of healing comparable to mass healing word which is a 3rd lvl spell!! Sounds worth it to me!
Goodberry isn't the best example cause you only get the chalice bonus when casting a spell that heals.
Circle of stars druid dragon form channel divinity makes you have auto 10 on concentration checks, never get knocked outta spirit guardians again...
for cleric/monk you could go for the Astral self to use flurry of blows effectively and potentially replace heavy armor with unarmed defense and mobility
Astral Self Monk I think is a fantastic option to pair with Cleric for all the reasons you said
Was about to comment that they’d totally forgetten the Jojo class.
@@Psuedo-Nim yeah, but you're a cleric and for you every ki point spent in transformation is almost like a 2nd lvl spiritual weapon, so each ki saves you 2nd lvl spell slots specially if going 1 lvl of fighter for unarmed fighting if don't want to go deep into monk
@@LokangoFreewar15 And pair that WITH Spiritual Weapon, you can whip out a huge ass amount of force damage
@@fightingfalcon777 if clerics got the darkness spell it would be sick with Astral sight
One thing I think you really missed with the Cleric/Druid is taking a dip into Stars Druid. Stars Druid gets you free guiding bolts, wildshape, absorb elements, and most importantly, the ability to have unbreakable concentration with the Dragon form. Since Clerics spend most of their time concentrating on spirit guardians. Going Cleric 8/Stars Druid 2 is an incredibly strong option.
I think C still stands but yeah stars druid is an exception
The other thing you also get is a free familiar. With the new Tasha's rules you can use your wildshape to summon a familiar for up to an hour at lv2 twice per day.
You get the upside of infiltration with wildshape when you need it. Or a familiar to give advantage in combat.
The druid spells might not add alot but the 2 lv dip adds a lot of support and utility from the class features and the Stars or Shepard subclasses. I would argue it's at least a B if not an A. Low cost, high reward
These aren't dipping videos. They are actual multi-classing. It is assumed you take near equal levels. They are assuming much closer to 5/5, maybe 6/4. Dipping would be a different video.
@@BW022 in this video and in previous videos they have talked about dipping. They've referred to dipping in multiple videos including this one.
C rating should not stand. Wildshaping utility is better than Monty was giving it credit, sounded like he forgot about it.
There are also quite a few cantrips and lower level Druid spells that are stand out features. The nature cleric doesn’t get access to those.
Also some rituals available that the cleric doesn’t have access to.
The summoning spells the Druid has access to can be upcast quite effectively. Conjure animals, summon beast, and summon fey.
That’s without taking into account circle features.
My girlfriend is currently playing a Twilight Cleric with two levels of Stars Druid and it works pretty well. Chalice helps with cleric healing, still have spiritual weapon, can take some of the more niche low level Cleric spells because most Druid support spells are on the Cleric list too. She has a good time with it and it has a lot of options at its disposal.
And the loss of Armor and Spiritual weapon for one round is worth it? Plus spell levels? Having more options is fun however purely on optimization levels I am skeptical.
I think we have the same girlfriend because my girlfriend is also playing that combo.
Dragon Form is pretty nuts though. With a decent CON and Dragon Form active, your Con Checks for Spirit Guardians are very solid. Shillelagh and Thorn Whip are great Cantrips for a Cleric. Guidance and Guiding Bolt are always prepared and Guiding Bolt can cast for free based on your Proficiency Bonus.
@@Hyde_Hill The Cleric-Druid MC hugely depends on your DM's ruling on that stupid armor restriction. I play with very tolerant DMs who allow Breastplates made from wood or bone, scale armour made from snake skin or crocodile hide just as it can be made from dragonscales. In which case the Cleric-Druid is really great, though you're only dipping 2 levels for some 1st level spells: Absorb Elements, Faerie Fire, Entangle, Healing Word, Speak with Animals, and your first subclass feature -> Starry druid is good, Shepherd is nice as well for aura healing, or Wildfire for group teleport ability. However I'm sure we'll see in the druid video druid with 2 levels of cleric is much better than the reverse.
@@feelingrizzly1515 although I think magic stone is better most times because of Crusher and pulling them into your Spirit Guardians for additional dmg each turn
Circle of Stars 2 level dip is fantastic for a healing cleric (twilight, life, etc). Cast Beacon of Hope and use Chalice Starry Form. Every healing word heals someone with a cure wounds as well. Could be 2 characters, or a megaheal on 1. I mean with BoH up a 1st level healing word would heal 1 creature for 22 points for a 1st level slot and a bonus action.
plus if you go with life as a bonus you might as well get the beloved goodberry heal
Plus if you go up to 3rd lvl in druid you get access to pass without trace and summon beast. Very good if you plan on being a sneaky party, especially if you got someone in heavy armor. And another body on the board is never a bad thing
One thing about the Barb/Cleric is that a lot of the non-concentration spells like Death Ward, Aid, and even something like Warding bond all have very long durations. You don’t need to be casting them on turn after another because they’re meant to be used before getting into combat. You’ll most likely only lose one round of bonus actions by for spiritual weapon.
Plus, the subclasses grant the character features that do not require concentration that are still helpful for the barbarian. The forge, twilight, war, peace, light, and grave give the cleric access to some really great battlefield utility. Plus, some give you divine strike to aid you even further.
But a PC like that wouldn't feel like a Barbarian first and and Cleric second?
@@fabiovarra3698 I get what you mean, but I feel like there’s enough synergy to make it at least a C, especially since if you wanna play a combat cleric, that does benefit from going barb, at least up to level 5
Tempest Cleric Barbarian is what could have been if the player from Seth Skorkowsky's "For Thor" video had decided to settle down in that town (if we pretend they were playing 5e, which they explicitly weren't)
Hear me out.... Berserker Barbarian with access to greater restoration?
10 cleric/5 barbarian works well. Even 7 Cleric/ 3 Barbarian is good. It's the last 2 levels of Barbarian that are painful because you continue to stunt you upper spell casting.
The option you want for Cleric/Paladin is actually Divine Soul Sorcerer/Paladin.
Have played one of these, can confirm it's dope as hell
If you go war domain and just dip two levels into paladin, you can blow your higher level spell slots on thunderous smite and divine smite and then use your channel divinity to give yourself a +10 bonus to hit.
@talongreenlee7704 if you rolled good stats, you can go 5 lvls of paladin for extra attack and rest cleric for massive spell damage, just need 13 cha.
One level sorcerer dip is really good for a cleric. You do get a subclass, and then you take booming blade and utility cantrips like prestidigitation, minor illusion, and shape water. Also you can get all the reaction spells, like shield, silvery barbs, and absorb elements. On top of that, if you take Sorcerer at level one you get proficiency in Constitution saving throws.
Exactly! However, in my current campaign, the DM does a ton of wisdom saving through things against us, so I'm glad I went Cleric first.
I just wrote the exact same
@@wwade7226 Thats why you take Resilient Wisdom at later levels
A three level dip for Font of Magic and Metamagic works too. Subtle is cheap and effective, and you can get more by breaking down Spell Slots on the Cleric you don't use. Twinned for buffs.
I agree with DDs that Divine Soul kinda gets you all this without needing Cleric, maybe dipping Peace or Twilight Cleric for armour and the subclass level 1 features, but maining Cleric does seem weaker. Still, if you DO end up doing this it is still better than D.
This is what I've done death cleric shadow sorcerer going 3 lvl in sorcerer
For the Rogue/Cleric, I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Inquisitive Rogue, as it uses Wisdom for a bunch of features (including getting sneak attack).
Yup
For class tier lists they usually don't really consider subclasses unless it is like a natural match.
@@Dani_77709that's the point they are
This could make an interesting hunter of heretics, an arm of the church dedicated to rooting out corruption by any means necessary even those considered unseemly. A witch hunter.
Ive been playing an inquisitive rogue rogue / trickery domain cleric for the past 3 years and for a social interaction based campaign, the multipleclassing feels great.
Cleric - ranger can also work once you get spirit guardians up you can use archery instead of toll the dead for your subsequent actions, in addition to the mentioned exploration benefits
I'm already excited for Colby's D rank cleric multiclass build.
I've been hoping he'd make a cleric gish lol
A Cleric Barbarian that stacks a load of Guardians of Faith in a row and then uses rage to grapple enemies and run them past all the guardians, and holds a dash action to do it again immediately after their turn is over?
At least it's a nice easy damage calculation!
Edit: No wait, this doesn't come online by level 6. That couldn't possibly be a Colby build!
The channel synergy has been sick lately. I think he has made a cleric gish before.
@@Grooveworthy I guess he did but I can't quite recall.
His Twilight Cleric/Stars Druid multiclass is the strongest healer and support character he's ever built.
So with Cleric/Ranger, you can get that Shillelagh play style you thought about with Druid due to the fighting style with a two level dip, and extra attack like fighter at level 5, alongside the various Ranger "once a turn" damage buffs
Basically, Cleric/Ranger offers similar amounts of gishy potential as Cleric/fighter, but doesn't slow your spell progression *as* much.
Cleric 15/Ranger 5 is a pretty fun experience most of the way through
Every ranger can get Shillelagh after Tasha's. Gloomstalker and Fey Wanderer are stand outs as they add wisdom to bonus features.
Though multiclassing with pet subclasses is never a good idea.
Was going to mention the Fey Wanderer. Throw Canny onto Persuasion, getting Charm Person, gaining proficiency on Deception (and don't forget the Wis bonus doesn't replace but is on top of any Cha bonus); suddenly your cleric is one of the best Party Faces in the game without going near the Trickery domain. Plus adding an extra 1d4 Physic to your Shillelagh is a nice cherry on top.
oh my, Trickery cleric domain and Ranger Fey wanderer.
Suporte, Exploration, Face, utility.... yep that is good
Yeah, honestly I think it's one of the better Cleric multilcasses if you're choosing a good Ranger subclass.
They definite did this combo dirty. I think they were stuck on the idea of the cleric being a STR/WIS class, but this combo would lean to a DEX/WIS build wearing light armor and using ranged/finesse weapons.
Ranger is bringing in a fighting style and extra attack, as well as some good spells the cleric normally doesn't get. This is a great build for a ranged cleric that isn't going to be using spirit guardians. It is not so good for melee, but still workable. Ranger should be a low B at least.
@@daltigoth3970 Another mistake was comparing it to the Paladin, when it should’ve been to the Fighter. And if Fighter’s an A, Ranger is pretty close.
And they rated it worse the then Monk :/
Ranger Cleric is nuts. Definitely an A, holy life ranged arrows of God. They play at a distance, heal at a distance, and ranger utility makes the whole party so hard to keep down. Fun to DM for as well, they play like a holy robinhood
Cleric with the Stars Druid dragon constellation has no chance of losing concentration unless you roll a nat 1 and I LOVE it
Nat 1 has no influence on saving throws nor ability checks, meaning that you won't have the chance yo fail any concentration checks unless you take 22+ damage in a single hit
@@abcrasshadow9341 look dude I don’t know what rules YOU play with, but at every single table I’ve ever played with, a natural 1 is a failure no matter what and that’s how I’m fairly certain most people play it
@@gengar618 Well, actually 5e's player's handbook says that nat 1 and nat 20 affect attack rolls, but neither affect ability checks or saves unless you house rule it. Check it out, there's no need to get offended by that
@@LokangoFreewar15 I’m not offended by it, just that people play by different rules.
@@LokangoFreewar15 Im reading p.176 and its not really clear..
I can’t believe you didn’t give the tempest cleric/storm sorcerer multiclass the love it deserves! SO much flavor and max damage chain lighting!
That may be more a Sorcerer multiclass than Cleric. Since you two-level dip into Tempest and probably start Sorcerer to get Con Proficiency.
As of right now, I am playing a Wild Fire Druid/Light Domain Cleric, and so far, the field control and support has sky rocketed. The wild fire spirit being able to teleport allies and the cleric warding flare does make a great combination.
As any cleric, dipping one level of sorcerer gives the shield spell which is invaluable for a cleric. You can get an AC of around 24 with this method which makes you really tanky. Also, since cleric spells dont scale up super hard at later levels, giving up that one level of spell progression isn't too bad. Also if you dip divine soul sorcerer, it gives you favored by the Gods which is just a really strong and versatile ability. I think that multiclass deserves an A.
in theory with splint armor which is 17 plus a shield is 19 plus shield spell which is 21 at level 3 and if you have ceremony and a level 3 zealot barbarian in your party you can constantly marry the party together and then kill and revivify the barb at no cost for a free +2 ac for the whole party which is 23 ac at level 3
The opposite is even better 1 cleric the rest sorcerer. Gives you heavy armor, healing and far more utility for 1 level of cleric. I played that character and it's nutty. Twin spell healing word is probably the best healing spell in game. It's 1st level and 1 sorcery point to revive two party members from unconsciousness
@@bart_ender6116 agreed but this is their cleric video. The builds here are supposed to be talking about clerics with small dips into other classes.
I play a Cleric 5 / Wizard 3 and I'm really enjoying it. I did have to ask my DM if I could get a Headband of Intellect first (I had INT 13 to fit the requirements, so the Headband was just so that I don't have to use just ASIs), and that does mean that one of my attunement spots will likely permanently be used for that, but being a Cleric / Wizard (and more importantly effective at both) is great fun!
I’m playing a Four Elements/Tempest Cleric now and the thematic potential is awesome. Even at lower levels when you’re only getting access to one or two elemental disciplines, adding Tempest Cleric gives you essentially a whole other discipline. Granted, I’m approaching this from the monk-first perspective, but have been super pleased with the play style.
Cleric multiclassing with stars Druid is really amazing. Especially with life domain. Also grabbing Shillelagh let’s you use wisdom for attacks if you want a more martial build.
My time has come!! Currently running a Twilight Cleric 13/ Circle of Stars Druid 3. Running around with my Twilight Sanctuary up, while having upcast SG, and SW means I then have the option to be Healbot 9000 or DPS like a bat out of hell. Running it as a wood elf gives me a bunch of great thematic racial options as well. It’s extremely versatile and I’ve kept my party up many many times by focusing on support while locking enemies down.
Same! I also am thinking of taking levels in ranger for gloomstalker, cause the twilight sanctuary creates dim light, and anything that can see you in that 30 ft radius must have dark vision, and as a gloomstalker you are invisible to anything that is using dark vision to see. Ergo as long as your sanctuary is up, either they can’t see you cause they don’t have dark vision and you are invisible to those that use dark vision. Meaning you are essentially invis as long as your sanctuary is up.
I love playing as a Gloomstalker Ranger 5/ Twilight Cleric 2 in my current campaign. I know it fits as a more of a Cleric dip but it’s so much fun. If your race already has Darkvision, you get 330 feet total. Plus using Guiding Bolt shot from a bow is thematically awesome! Vigilant Blessing and Dread Ambusher to almost guarantee first turn in Initiative. Also using Fairie Fire to set up advantage on your next round of shots is great. Can’t lose build!
2 level ranger dip gives you Druidic warrior and expertise in perception or insight. And with 1 more level you can go gloomstalker for a bonus to initiate or swarmkeeper to apply forced movement with spirit guardians.
I'll also say that cleric/monk is a great combo. Even with just 3 or 4 monk levels you can use your action to cast powerful spells, then using your bonus action to dodge greatly increasing your survivability while pumping out good damage.
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I am playing a Life Cleric (5) / Stars Druid (2) right now and I'm having a blast.
The good berries out of combat healing is amazing. and beacon of hope with chalice form is great in combat healing. not to mention I can use a wild shape charge to cast find familiar. I chose a spider who hangs out with my Barbarian and I can cast touch spells through my familiar, and give my barb advantage. We are having a lot of fun. Also my DM allowed for non metal heavy armor so I'm having fun tracking down rare beasts to craft armor from.
also wanted to say I love the videos! keep it up!
Wildfire druid only relies on single class scaling for the HP of the familiar (and, admittedly, some higher level abilities). It does paltry damage. It's main use is teleportation, which could be quite useful for the Healer.
Warlock and Cleric would be cool for an Angel and devil vibe. Perhaps the person unintentionally made a deal with a devil and is now seeking to brake that deal, having put their faith in a higher power.
There's also the celestial warlock.
Indeed, and the god doesnt even need to be the patron of a cleric/warlock multi, it could be a high ranking angel/celestial in service to the god, to use Christianity for an example, imagine having an archangel as your patron. your god sees you as important enough to delegate off your own personal handler. Very conductive to roleplay.
That's what I'm currently playing, Life Cleric 6/Celestial Warlock 4 Currently, interesting playstyle, can take a bit to ramp up but versatile damage output and options.
Or, their god gained power and turned evil and demanded a different type of pact, which they went with.
Cleric/Sorcerer is really good if you take order cleric and just one level of divine soul sorcerer for silvery barbs so that you can use the voice of authority ability as a reaction.
I was thinking of going two level in tempest domain cleric then the rest in a blue dragon ancestry sorcerer for bg3.
As a life cleric, dipping one level of druid for goodberry is super strong. That by itself should make it an easy A.
Yeah but you can also just take the magic initiative feat for this. Plus you get 2 cantrips, take thornwhip and you can pull creatures in your spirit guardians. All this and it doesn't cost you a cleric level.
@@NickErkens-ft1ve your method doesn't work since you need to be able to cast goodberry more than once for it to be useful. Magic initiate only let's you cast it once. Also, feats are few and far between, you can't go spending them on magic initiate when there are significantly better feats out there such as resilient (con) and war caster. It ends up being that dipping one level into druid is a much smaller opportunity cost and therefore, a better option.
@Steelsly i thought you could use your spell slots also for goodberry. You can get quit many feats so i see magic initiative as a good option also for the cantrips, you can get that and also the feats you said, I see your point but i dont know if sacrificing a level 20 for cleric for a level one druid is worth it.
@@NickErkens-ft1ve I think I should point out that dipping a level of druid also gets you the druid cantrips. And no, you cannot use your spell slots on the goodberry from magic initiate. You just cast it once and that's it for the day.
As for your point on the level 20 cleric, I'd be inclined to agree if you are going all the way to level 20 just because the cleric capstone is very strong. But that is really rare for a character to go up to level 20. For any character going up to level 19 or below, it's well worth dipping the one level in druid.
One thing I've found interesting about these multiclassing tier lists is how most of them focus almost entirely on how they can deal more damage and almost never on the utility such as buffing skill checks. I almost always rate classes that give expertise/canny/jack of all trades on a 1/2 lv dip higher than the Dungeon Dudes because in my campaigns we use a lot of skill checks.
That’s also why I’m shocked druid didn’t get an S, and was wondering if they were going to say astral monk was the S or if something in the ranger was S, like gloomstalker adding to initiative and that first round damage. I do still think full cleric is the real S tier option when starting as a cleric, but Druid’s wild shape seems to only be looked at for the moon druids damage. Kelly even mentioned how using wild shape lets you get in to almost ANYWHERE, but somehow it wasn’t enough.
On the other hand, even if you don't have an expert in the party that can make the check better than you without sacrificing levels for it, Cleric can already give themselves or another person Guidance for any skill check they know is coming.
@Esja my comment wasn't just about this video but about all of the multiclassing videos released so far. I agree that guidance is fantastic and better than expertise at early levels. When combined it can allow for some incredible consistency
@@WolfWarriorLive The armor restrictions make druid multiclass not worth the hassle
@@ancientgammoner6961 you can make armor out of nonmetal materials. If you’re a dwarven cleric with a druid dip, you could have plate armor made of stone. Hell, any cleric/druid could use dragon scale mail and not have to have 15 strength or be a dwarf to wear it. Granted that is an actual magic item and not just flavor, but the point still stands
Stars 2/Twilight x is super thematic even if it isn't the most optimal. I'm playing a twilight cleric who worships the moon goddess Selune so being able to transform so a star map appears on your body works really well.
I'm playing a Sorcerer/Cleric multiclass, but I started as Sorcerer. The metamagic, especially twin and subtle spell, have really helped make those early level cleric spells shine even more. Upcast cure wounds with twin spell or a revivify while subtle spelled is great.
Twin healing word is fantastic
Cleric/Monk is super fun and has a lot of possibilities but Cleric makes the Way of the Astral self monk feel so much better!
If monk can be good I think better arguments could be made for ranger as well. You could use wisdom for attacks with shilleilagh as mentioned with monks. Gloomstalker for a stronger opening, or any other ranger that give you extra damage on attacks. Fey wanderer will let you use wisdom for charisma skills.
You also get expertise through optional features, and a fighting style.
Excellent video as always! I do think you underrate the Druid dip a bit (I'd probably give it a B) for a couple key reasons. Firstly, even one level in Druid gives you five or six more spells prepared. Granted these need to be Druid spells, but as well as getting some quite strong Druid spells like Absorb Elements and Faerie Fire, this lets you prepare Healing Word, Detect Magic, Cure Wounds etc. as a Druid, freeing up your Cleric preparation for higher-level spells. Secondly, as @sleidman mentioned below, Stars Druid is *great* for a cleric; Starry Form gives you your choice of substantially boosted healing, auto-success on most concentration checks (removing the need to take Warcaster), or essentially free Spiritual Weapon, plus you get a bunch of free castings of Guiding Bolt. Additionally, with the new Tasha's rules you can use Wild Shape to cast Find Familiar, which adds a ton of utility in both exploration and combat.
Cleric is just too damn good. It's such a tight class that I honestly never had any desire to multiclass.
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I did a really fun grave domain spores druid in hindsight I probably would have chosen a different druid subclass but I very much enjoyed having the combination of distinct healing spells, combined with the combat maneuverability of tiny animals. And thematically I enjoyed the idea of a druid cleric who worshiped essentially the cycle of death and rebirth
Been waiting for this one. Cleric goes with everything!
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For the monk using shillelagh, an optional feature in Tashas allows you to make an Attack with a monk weapon as a bonus action it you spend a ki point during your attack. So, if you stunning strike, you can bonus action staff and not rely on dex as much
You could also just play an Astral Self Monk and just use wisdom all the time.
I think this video highlights how cleric might be the strongest class in the game. They get powerful from the beginning, and scale incredibly well throughout the whole campaign. Their spell list is very versatile, from buffs, healing to some very strong damage options (guiding bolt, guardian spirits) and even some potent control spells.
Clerics are not fighters that brings the hurt train, they're not bang for buck Spellcasters. But you can bet your bottom penny whenever there's a cleric in the party. Or a lack of cleric in the party especially when you're thick in the shit. That heat is real and feeling it. I love dex based fast movers that are stealthy and shooty. I would not be able to do what I do without a cleric backing my ass. Hell I won't even feel confident doing what I do without knowing one of them is around watching my back.
I don't think they're the strongest class but probably the most versatile and adaptable.
@@BigPurpleCarrot AND most dependable friend when you're knee deep in some hostile shit heap of a dungeon
Clerics are one of my favorite classes. You guys have opened my eyes to the Cleric/Monk option. I must play it!
Why druid and sorcerer are good dips for clerics.
Druid cleric is something I've played both ways. Star druid X + Arcana 1 to be a better blaster and Twilight X + Moon 2 (Arguably the cleric that benefit the most from not multiclassing).
Benefit of 1 level in druid and two levels in moon druid specifically.
1, Fk ton of prepared spells. There's a lot of overlap in the first level spells and preparing those as a druid can allow for more niche choices for the higher level cleric spells. Having something like dispel evil and good, freedom of movement, life transference, calm emotions, daylight, gentle repose, cleric ritual spells (all golden), speak with dead, borrowed knowledge etc when you had no reason to creates moments of excitement at the table comparable to a paladin crit smiting or a fighter killing a boss in one turn. Also you get stuff like absorb elements, entangle, ice knife etc.
2, 2 Levels in moon druid can make you exceptionally tanky as a bonus action (bear/rocktopus) and also exceptionally mobile (moorbounder). Putting Twilight on top makes it so much better as you can stack the HP and also turn the 70 ft movement speed a moorbounder has into a 70 ft fly speed. You can get spells to allies who are too far away by holding action to release the spell when you can put it on them and then wild shaping into something with better movement speed.
With sorcerors the answer is much simpler.
1, shield and absorb elements.
2, metamagic (usually made better by taking the feat as well) subtle and extended for extended buffs unconterspellable healing spells when it matters and also extended Aura of Vitality (bonkers on a life cleric.)
Nature Cleric/Astral Monk allows weapon attacks (with Shillelagh) and unarmed strikes (with the Astral arms) to use Wisdom for attack and damage rolls. More synergy there.
Order cleric/clockwork sorcerer is pretty awesome. Treantmonk has a video on it. You shouldn't have dismissed sorcerer so fast.
I played a Twilight Cleric that took 2 levels into War magic wizard (ended the campaign qith 20 wis & 14 int) and mainly used those wizard levels to grab cantrips and several 1st level utility/ritual wizard spells that didn't require int such as magic missile, detect magic always on deck in my spellbook, etc. War Magic also allowed for passing concentration saves on spirit guardians while not worrying too much about the drawback of being unable to cast leveled spells the turn after due to active effects such as Twilight Sanctuary and spiritual weapon. I definitely filled the utility & support caster role of that campaign party.
A two level dip into Tempest Cleric allows other spell casters to nova with something like Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning using the Channel Divinity.
Probably the first time I heard you guys talk about the Monk so favorably. Also i wont lie, it wasn't until this video that I even thought of such a multiclass before....and wow does it sound fun. Twlight Cleric with Shadow Monk sounds like Moon Knight to me lol
For cleric/Monk you could also use Spiritual Weapon to weaponize your bonus action instead of worrying about flurry of blows, keeping yourself SAD. Then your ki is free and clear for Stunning Strike
I'm imaging Tifa in FF7R spamming her true strike (not to be confused with the inferior D&D counterpart) while Cloud stands on the other side swinging his sword.
Monk and Cleric are an amazing combination.
If you used ki to stun on your action, ki-fuelled strike lets you attack once with your shillelagh as a bonus action.
@@saltypork101 no it doesn’t
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@@saltypork101 I misread your comment
I played a monk years ago and due to the story and my character arc I ended up multiclassing in Cleric and honestly, it was really great! I think it was 6 monk and then 3 to 4 cleric? It's been a while, but I loved it. Granted you guys are looking at it as a cleric dipping into Monk, but the other way does oddly work.
Regarding the Cleric/Druid, I voted for it because of the Circle of Stars and Chalice Starry Form (taking a 2 level dip) combined with the Life Domain Cleric
I find its good early on with Healing Word/Cure Wounds, as it can either Heal you and an Ally or Heal 2 Allies (especially if they were downed).
Or Dragon, for good Concentration boost.
The part where you talked about Cleric/Rogue reminded me of a build I recently used in a one shot where I was a Soul Knife Rogue that I flavored as a Paladin actually. He was an agent for the church keeping eyes on a shady operation. When he called his soulknife for the first time in the session he reached up in the air and plucked out a streak of sunlight.
When they brought up cleric/rogue and something like arcane trickster/arcana, I thought of a John Constantine like character and now feel the need to explore it more.
I think there's something to be said for multiclassing a Cleric into the Stars Druid for 2 levels, as you can expend Wild Shape on Starry Form for 10 minutes for a number of good benefits. Chalice offers an extra 1d8+wis heal that can have its own target, which comes up every time you cast a healing spell. Archer gives a 1d8+wis bonus action radiant ranged attack every turn, perhaps as a decent spiritual weapon alternative in a pinch. And Dragon, you get a concentration check floor of 10 on the d20. (Also comes with free Guidance and some free Guiding Bolts uses.) Maybe not perfect for falling behind a spell level in progression, but perhaps good for certain builds!
Also, quick note on Rogue: Soul Knife doesn't need int. Slightly easier for multiclassing potential!
Don't forget that swarmkeeper rangers can push people into spirit guardians pretty consistently with a high wisdom based DC
also fey wanderer can make a trickery cleric into a fantastic face.
My favorite build for Cleric/ Druid is a 50/50 split between tempest domain and circle of the land (mountain). You end up with more spells prepared than anyone, and if you need power, then just max out the damage on a lightning bolt or call lightning spell. Tempest domain clerics don't get access to a lot of good thunder/lightning spells for abusing their channel divinity. So this is only a boost for your cleric. Plus, since both classes give domain spells as well as extra spell prep with your high wisdom, you end up with a boatload of extra spells prepped in your late game. At level 20, you 48 spells prepared for levels 1-5.
For this build, you start with a level of each and then go for Cleric 2/ druid 1. Your build is officially online with extra spell versatility and the ability to amp up certain damages. Next, beeline for Cleric 3/ druid 2. At this point you have access to both domain lists and the ability to cast Shatter, which you can cast harder than a fireball of equivalent level. 3rd, beeline for Cleric 3/ druid 5, and now you're in your full swing with call lightning, lightning bolt, and shatter as the case requires, plus you have a potential 26 spells prepared, compared to the cleric's 21 at this point. Keep taking two levels at a time of either until you're the grumpy stormcloud/ swiss army knife of the party with cleric 10/druid 10. If you're worried about falling behind on damage, take two levels of fighter to action surge, and now you can out damage most casters using "lesser" spells. It's a fun build.
I would love to dip into other classes for added flavor (trickery domain with rogue, knowledge with bard or wizard, etc)
I did a dip into grave cleric as an inquisitive rogue, and that subclass combo worked very well, especially with the inquisitive rogue’s focus on Wisdom.
Mark for death + rogue sneak attack is just insane damage
Light Domain 8 / Evoker Wizard 2 gives the Cleric sculpt spells and some additional ritual spells like Find Familiar and Identify. So you only need a 13 INT
I did a similar thing with Tempest, lots of good evocation spells available to clerics.
@@danielhughes213 I imagine Scribes wizard to also remain a solid choice for any tempest main.
First off, great video, love you guys: I get what you are saying about wanting to take more than 1 or 2 levels Cleric in this scenario, but I think story wise it is relatively easy to role-play a character that starts off as a cleric and then early on in their adventures seeks power through different means especially as they interact with different characters
If I were to multiclass cleric/rogue I would go inquisitive, scout, or swashbuckler, and my goal would be roleplaying as a member of my Temple's inquisition.
There’s an amazing on little sorcerer/cleric build where you go sorcerer X/Cleric 2 (although you are majorly sorcerer instead of cleric). If you choose tempest domain cleric to get the channel divinity Destructive Wrath, and use a metamagic to transform your elemental spell damage into thunder or lightening, you can get a fireball-turned lighteningball-and rolling max damage on a mass amount of enemies
I need to multiclass into War Cleric in a Ranger build I'm doing. Should be good making three attacks at Level 6 with the Sharpshooter feat.
I played Light Domain/Horizon Walker Ranger and felt very Inquisitor-style, was a lot of fun
Monk/Cleric builds can also take the magic initate feat for shillelagh without having to dip in Nature domain.
You could also go Astral monk so that your unarmed strikes are wis based as another option
Monty: "There's corruption in the church."
My brain: Order Domain Cleric + Mastermind Rogue, an Orzhov priest in a Ravnica campaign.
I've played a couple of Cleric / Rangers and while their bonus action could get a little clogged, both were quite nice.
I made a Kensei monk with trickery cleric, and it was one of the most effective characters on the battle field. And also super fun to play
Cleric dipping a level in sorcerer or wizard to gain access to the shield spell and absorb elements is more powerful than anything they talked about today.
Here I was, just grillin and chillin when I thought my day couldn't get any better and the dudes put out a ranking vid. It don't get much better than this!
A had a 6th level character, 3 Gloomstalker/3 Twilight, solo an Underdark adventure where they took on a Dryad. Just unbelievably powerful
Straight question. While thematically it is cool how mechanically does one enhance the other?
@@Hyde_Hill the twilight gives you the ability of limited flight, almost guarantees you win initiative for that damage boost, an extra d8 with divine strike, etc etc. you get a lot out of gloomstalker 5/ twilight x.
@@Hyde_Hill the key was in versatility. The Gloomstalker gave the character unbelievable stealth in the Underdark, while the Twilight Cleric gave them the temp HP buff and powerful magic in combat. They don't need to synergize in the sense that they both have powers going at the exact same time. Just imagine a Level 3 Gloomstalker. Now imagine a Level 3 Twilight Cleric. By themselves, they are fantastic, and because they both don't interfere, they work wonderfully in one character.
@@YoungTroy23 The initiative I will grant you. The flight would mainly be out of combat. But for the initiative the dip would be the other way around. So more a cleric dip with gloomstalker. 8 levels of cleric/5 gloomstalker is pretty end campaign for 1d8 on one attack. Plus you wouldn't channel divinity first turn, which is very strong part of of twilight cleric. I grant versatility however it is at the cost of overall power imho. 1 level dip on a gloomstalker seems stronger for armor and initiative advantage plus some utility spells. I would say they do interfere to a degree action economy wise though. Also feat selection if want to make the most of your gloomstalker.
@@Hyde_Hill flight in combat is incredibly potent since most non-humanoids do not have ranged attacks and it’s non-concentration. As for action economy it depends entirely on what spells you choose and how you choose to engage in combat. It’s not perfect but it’s way higher than D-tier since it’s essentially a ranger support options and reliable ways to deal with undead foes in mass and a very potent channel divinity.
So here's my pitch for the rogue/cleric hybrid: guidance and expertise combine like chocolate and peanut butter. Can you imagine a rogue that can cast enhance ability or pass without trace (from trickery domain)?
Or what about a grave domain/ assassin build? Use your channel divinity to double the damage on your next attack, and then get an automatic critical, which essentially means the equivalent of 4 attacks with sneak attack.
Try a knowledge domain/ scout combo with human variant prodigy, and grab 7 expertise by level 4. Give this guy a whip, a hand crossbow, and a fear of snakes, and you just made Indiana Jones!
A single level of rogue is enough to make any character into a reliable skill monkey backup. Rogues, barbarians, hexblades, and clerics are the single level dips that change everything.
CLERIC SORCERER WORKS AS LONG AS THE SORCERER SPELLS YOU TAKE DONT NEED A SAVE OR A ROLL, FOR EXAMPLE: SHIELD, ABSORB ELEMENTS, MIRROR IMAGE, HASTE, FLY, ETC AND YOU GET METAMAGIC, TWIN GUIDING BOLT OR DISTANT CURE WOUNDS, OR YOU COULD JUST GO TEMPEST CLERIC/STORM SORCERER
Or the other way around. If you are buffing and healing with your cleric spells, WIS isn't so important.
Currently playing a Sea Elf / Drake Warden ranger (player level 4), and was thinking of going Tempest Cleric after level 11 (DM is allowing me to have the Large Drake form at lvl 11). I really like the flavor of a Sea Elf (Pirate background btw), riding a Dark Blue dragon, wielding the power of the Seas below.
Typing this pre watching. Had a thought through this myself and got some basic thoughts, but I was struck by how hard it was to judge because I didn't have a great picture in my head of what the Cleric as a main class is because of how early their domaibs get important characteristics.
Teally looking forward to the video now.
A light cleric/great old one or fiend warlock sounds like a mashup of Zoroastrianism mixed with yin and yang.
“There must be balance, and I am here to bring it!”
16:22 so agree with Kelly. My players last night all used wild shapes to get past a river. Had other means but choose that way across. Sharks and crocodiles. I loved it!!
Great vid! Personally, I can't imagine playing a trickery cleric without a few levels of rogue or bard. And I'd imagine that most of the votes for druid were due to the goodberry/life domain combo.
I actually played a monk/cleric. I think he was monk 6/ cleric 5. That character was an excellent battlefield medic with his ability to zoom around the map.
Splashing even just two levels of Circle of Stars druid makes a cleric an INSANE blaster. That's where you get guiding bolts for days.
The Holy Trickster
Sounds like Loki!
With the illusions of a double from the trickery domain
With sneak attack since you have advantage
With shadow blade and ice knife
That’s pretty neat!
A three level dip into Swarmkeeper ranger can give a cleric some excellent thematics for spirit guardians, and also the ability to make ranged attacks that force movement into your spirit guardians area, for extra damage on your turn as well as when they start their turn in the spirit guardians area.
Hello, I played a Life cleric for one level then a fighter for two levels then back to cleric. We were playing the Curse of Straud. I played a variant human with the healer feat, plate armor (which we were allowed to buy) and a 15 strength. I was a frontline breast and healed everyone like it was going out of style! I used Shield of Faith and a physical shield, too. I was able to zip around the battlefield smashing enemies with a mace and healing anyone who was in trouble. I loved the character!
Druid build : Learned about it in a video the Star/Life domain. Only 2 level of druid and i can add more healing. I also have free guiding Bolt so im not feeling i lose something in my cleric. I also feel that this circle can go well with other builds but it feel so good to imagine a special healer that combine star and divine magic. You can heal 2 caracther with a single healer word
For cleric/wizard, I played a war wizard who was then converted into a war cleric. Ended up with way more cleric levels. It happened for roleplay reasons, seeing a god actually smite someone in person, but it played well. Since you guys love wading into melee with spirit guardians, the +4 reaction to a saving throw to keep it, or just cast shield, was great. If you do a 5/5 split, the wizard gets you counterspell, which is just amazing to upcast with your higher spell slots. This combo really focuses on upcasting concentration spells and keeping them going.
Loving this single class videos!! Been waiting for this once since I wanted to hear thoughts on the cleric/bard combo as I am playing on!
Been midmaxing a tabaxi Twilight cleric who's taking 3 levels into glamour bard. I find it to actually be quite strong and it makes for a lot of fun roleplay. The inspiration die are great to pass a quick buff onto other players and it's added some excellent additions to my spell list. PLUS the glamour bard abilities are a lot of fun to play around with.
I will admit though, I'm in a fortunate enough situation with rolls that going into bard was actually viable.
Twilight cleric/star druid is a very good combo due to the constellations synergy with twilight temp hp. I have a character that my dm hates thats 4 levels star druid and 8 cleric, it flies, and uses wither and bloom to aoe drain enemies and heal an ally while in chalice form for the extra free healing. And if it needs to be more blasty he uses archer constellation for a free bonus action d8 of radiant damage
My current character started off with 1 level of Forge Domain cleric and then immediately multiclassed into battle smith artificer and its been a blast. The blessing of the forge and support spells from cleric really helps buff the party up, and as the party's tank I can really take more of a punishment than my squishier full caster counterparts
I'm a Rogue main, and I really liked your ideas behind Cleric/Rogue. I fell in love with this concept back when I played an old 3rd edition game 20 years ago. The idea of a Cleric that follows a trickster god, or one that follows a god of hidden knowledge, really appeals to me.
When you get to your Monk video, seriously consider a Monk/rogue. I had a surprising amount of success with my role-playing and combat ability playing a Monk (cant remember subclass) and Inquisitive Rogue. It was, of all things, a grappler, singling out a single target at the edge of the melee (usually enemy archers, casters, or rogues) and using insightful fighting and grapples to prevent them from getting away.
As for role play, I was an Urchin who eventually joined the city guard. I had a mother, but she was a prostitute and didn't have time to raise me much. It was VERY disconcerting to the boss when, my dress covered in blood, I ripped it off and started to grapple him in the nude, punching his lights out.
I had a forge cleric gunslinger dwarf one campaign, it was so freaking fun.
I'm playing a tempest cleric with one level of divine soul sorcerer, and I gotta say it's great. Wading into combat with access to shield and absorb elements feels nice, and taking cantrips that don't depend on charisma for their utility let's me have a far more diverse range of tools. Especially with 4 cantrips to start. Having the 2d4 is just a cherry on top.
With how powerful up casting cleric spells like spiritual weapon and spirit guardians, and even cure wounds, it's not that bad to fall behind on the spell level progression.
For my build that meant 6 levels of cleric, then 1 of sorcerer so I have 4th level slots, which are strong even without 4th level spells.
If you are planning on splitting the levels more equally going forward and get to tempest cleric 6/sorcerer 6, pick up transmute spell metamagic, Fireball and Ashardalon's Stride spells. Upcast Ashardalon's Stride and make it lighting damage for a no save lightning damage spell that just automatically hits anything you get within 5 feet of no action required and let's you push them also without a save. Really great for dealing lots of damage while rounding enemies up to all be in range for an upcast and transmuted to lightning damage Fireball that you can then use the channel divinity to make it deal maximum damage.
@@rawr3060 That's definitely something that's been on my mind! The specific combo I'm looking for is with the spell Firestorm. Same idea but I only have a 13 in cha, so I'm just dipping for utility stuff. At third level I plan on stopping
@31:50, I played a Mastermind 3/Order Cleric 5 in a one shot last year, which was such a fun support build: being able to give an ally a reaction attack AT ADVANTAGE was such a blast, and ended up really helping us through some of the trickier encounters of the adventure.
I had a player run an Order Cleric + Battlemaster Fighter build and they had a bunch of fun and did pretty darn well for themselves in battle too
My first 5e character was a Life Cleric/Swashbuckler Rogue. I mainly did it for the roleplay/backstory purposes, but the character was absolutely a blast to play!
Tempest Cleric of Valkur: Cleric 18 / Wizard Diviner 2 - ASI Fey Touched (Silvery Barbs). After 4 years and 70 game sessions, my Cleric catchphrase to the DM/Gods above was "It has been foretold". Something the DM learned to dread. You go up to 8 as Cleric and take a 2 dip as Diviner 9, 10. In full plate, shield, you pickup Shield and Find Familiar, you now have an absurd number of cantrips, you can misty step and screw around with all rolls. Fun, useful, completely an A.
I used a cleric/monk build in the Netherdeep campaign. I played a human variant with Twilight Cleric 1 just to give darkvision to others, reroll initiative, and the Eldritch Adept feat for Devil's Sight (healing word was great, too.) And then the rest was Way of Shadow Monk. The biggest problem with the build was that my random chronicle was that I was a weretiger. We changed the immunity to non-magical damage to a resistance.
I have a Tempest domain Cleric 5 - Order of scribes Wizard 5 - Mounted combatant - Harengon riding a mastiff, it's a pretty good tank, very versatile, and the awakened spellbook + destructive wrath upcasting fireball is very fun and effective.
I've played two cleric-fighter, a Forge Domain / Rune Fighter and a Life Domain / Battlemaster, and they were quite the tanky support, not the damage dealer, but the center of the fight both as a beacon for allies and a resilient taunt for enemies (a Large cleric with spirit guardian is a plague in small rooms…)
I am currently playing a Tempest Domain + Battle Master, Cleric Fighter multi-class. The character more than excels in both close quarter combat as well as ranged combat. Not to mention that it’s an amazing support character thanks to being able to choose my spells after every long rest. I can facilitate whatever need my party has whilst also enjoying a power fantasy.
I’d say a 5 level dip in Battle Master is the sweet spot. Get your maneuvers, get your extra attack, and continue to expand your cleric spells.