Great review. I have to have at least one of these very cool devices. But in my living room I just made it a condition for automatically turning the light off that the tv is also off. This works great. What is the power consumption? Compared to leaving the lights on for 20 minutes after an ordinary motion sensor stops detecting motion.
It looks like it is just what the doctor ordered! It's a pity about not being a router, and I would rather have a USB-C connector and no cable at all so one can choose any cable that is already lying around. Still, it is a great device and I would buy at least one to try out. We do have a lot of rooms where this solution is needed so to get the whole house fixed would need 5 of them. If the true range is less than 4m we would need two in some rooms to get 100% coverage.
I love that sensor... I love it that much that I made my own ESP version about 2 years ago, paired with a PIR sensor it is the perfect occupency sensor as you mentioned. I went ahead and added a DHT and a Lux sensor (based on the bruh multisensor). Total cost about 12 euro if orded cheap at aliexpress or double if orderd on amazon or so. All 11 spaces in my house have one of these multisensors. The price you mentioned is compared to my ESP version is not excusable IMNSHO even if you take zigbee vs wifi in consideration.
That sounds great. For turning on the lights you could use a normal motion detector. That also opens up new options, what isn't easy to do with motion detectors. With a light sensor, you can switch on the lights if someone is in the room and it gets too dark. The Espresence solution I don't get to work. With my Xiaomi Watch it isn't possible and I can't find a suitable beacon to use additionally. So the FP1 would be a super solution.
I personaly do not like that i would need to use Aqara software to even just set it up but othervise it seems amazing. I would like to be able to do everything with it in home assistant directly.
I'll take three! I hate when people say "game changer" because it never is ..... This may be an exception! 😮 A real shame they didn't add a traditional motion sensor and router capability. I'm glad there is a temperature sensor. I could take my current temperature sensor and move it elsewhere.
I would probably buy a couple, this thing looks insanely good, compared to something like room assistant on a RPI Zero, where you also need another device!
Most useful sensor for smart homes! Hoping to see this available in the international market ASAP. Also - as mentioned, if there was a future “FP2” device release, the little niggles / ideas (such as the potential to combine a conventional motion sensor below within the same enclosure, have it support ZigBee routing as a permanently powered device, and perhaps changing to having a USB-C socket on the unit so that people can BYO different cable lengths for power than the one supplied in the box if needed [and hence not hard wired]. Even with the current little niggles, this is an exciting innovation from Aqara that hasn’t been adequately solved by their competitors - PLEASE Aqara, get this product released to the global market ASAP!
I guess the real reason Aqara is not launching this anywhere else is that it uses a mini radar tech which operates in a pre defined frequency band. In many countries, some frequency bands are reserved only for military use. For example, Pixel 4 phone had a Soli radar chip, due to this it was not allowed to launch in India because it used 60GHz band which was regulated by government and thus banned for civilian use.
I made something similar to this using ESPHome and a microwave motion sensor. The great thing about these sensors is that they do not need line of sight to detect presence. Mine detects presence pretty much immediately, but I don’t have the ability to detect direction of movement.
@@AIONizandoCRI am using a raletively cheap sensor LD1115H. It is not as sensitive as FP1 when using the default settings, but will do the job turning off lights when there is no one in the room for a certain time.
Yeelight make a combined mmWAve/PIR sensor, but it’s even harder to find than the FP1. It also requires their Pro Bluetooth mesh hub (also equally rare…).
The automations possible with this are amazing, and no other sensor seems comparable. This should absolutely be sold in the US, assuming there's the market for it!
Glad you managed to get hold of one, it sounds like that was a real challenge! Seems to be a great option though, and less faff than other presence sensing options. Hopefully Aqara will watch the video and release them worldwide, as well as incorporate some of your suggestions into future versions.
Hope they start selling them in the US market soon! Definitely would be interested in a few for my home, have been considering using ESPhome and Raspberry Pi Zeros. Would love these devices for simplicity's sake instead. Think I'll hold off on presence detection until I can get my hands on one or two of these. Basically have three or four rooms I'd like to cover.
I was about to hold off on getting some new motion sensors as I plan to upgrade to FP1 once available in the US. That was until I saw 6:36. Thank you for pointing this out! Now I can get better sensing immediately and have those still be useful once I can get a hold of these!
I like it. Like you mentioned, having a motion sensor would have been super so that you could have a more all in one solution and not a bunch of sensors lining the roof or wall, each performing only one task. Price would not deter me so much if it does address that "holy grail" of presence detection as it would then definitely sort out a lot problems, specially not needing a device (eg guests) to be detected like ESPresense does that Im currently using
Thanks for reviewing this product! I initially started using Aqara products because of their Magic Cube which is quite unique in the scene controller space. This looks like another unique item that can draw positive attention to their brand in an crowded area. I have used several other Aqara products since buying the Magic Cube and am always impressed with the quality, functionality and reliability of their products. I hope they bring this to other markets soon -- especially the US. 😃
If it was available in the NL I would buy one. This is something I've been looking for for some time. I hope Aqara is going to sell this in the Netherlands 🙂
Presence detection is a something I've been looking into a lot lately. I saw this sensor mentioned on Reddit and I got so excited but couldn't find it anywhere. It could be a solid option paired with home assistant. Hopefully Aqara does change their mind because I'd totally buy a couple.
Yes we need these sensors... and not looking at room presence alone.. U mentioned this sensor uses cloud radar technology. Coupled with the right software.. could it in the future also detect if someone is standing up / sitting / laying on the floor? Then it could get seriously interesting in detecting falls / accidents and sending messages to get help for example.
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Yes, the technique itself could most likely be used for all sorts of things, but it will depend on the firmware / hw combo on how much flexibility it will have algorithmically.
That's great! Would be awesome if they included traditional motion sensing as well as environmental sensors such as light level, temp, humidity, tampering.
Have tried to make my own microwave sensors in the past but had issues where it could not only detect me through walls but could see my neighbours moving around in their lounge too! Does this device have any issues where it detects through walls / floors, also does it detect behind the device too (my diy ones didn't have rear shielding)? Aqara please create a gen 2 version of this with a Zigbee Router built in - this is a must for all plugged in zigbee devices IMO. Also with mmWave sensors it is possible to count people so please add this feature too. It would be great if the software allowed you to add a floorplan of your house and create a map of each of the rooms so you could semi accurately have the sensors say you are in room x / y if there is overlap of sensor coverage (if they can detect through walls etc).
I think I'd want to measure the power usage, then combine this with a traditional motion sensor and a smart plug. E.g. when motion is detected power this on, and let this monitor room presence. When the room is empty, kill power to this, then wait for motion.
So interesting to see that it is wired? rather than battery. Your explanation of power requirement makes sense. Hopefully, they will have a battery version and also include a basic motion sensor in a next release of this product. Conceptually it looks very good!! and a very good in depth review. Thank you. I have a @Wyze V2 motion sensor (battery) ($9) which is actually very good. What I do is have it so that the light drops by 10% brightness if no motion rather than turn off, then after another 10 seconds it turns off. I move my arm, etc. and it goes back up the 10%. However, it seldom kicks in so the sensor seems to work quite well. Some like it, some do not. I do !!
Have been waiting for those to start selling in US for a while now. I know that there are a bunch of DIY solutions for mmWave sensors, but they cost almost as much as Aqara FP1 does, and software would definitely be significantly worse. I'm still a bit concerned about constant exposure to mmWave though. While it has been in-use for a long time in Airport scanners, those are only used occasionally, and I don't think there has been any studies done on long-term exposure to high frequency waves on a human body.
@@zigomatic That's a fair point at least for 5G. 4G uses significantly lower spectrum. But even 5G is lower bands than mmWave. Most of mmWave sensors are either 24Ghz or 60-77Ghz which is significantly higher than 5G's 37-40Ghz range. 77Ghz is a lot of energy being pumped out in an enclosed space. Anyways, I'm not too worried about it, since it's been in use for a while now, but would be nice to see some studies before installing something like that inside my home.
@@ilyavolodin7414 77Ghz is just the frequency, not the amount of energy. These devices have such a low output, there is no need to worry. Its not like you are placing a mobile base station in your bed. There has not been done allot of studies on how long term exposure of small rain drops affect the body either. And it will never be done. There is an obvious reason for that. :)
@@haknys It's been a very long time since my high school physics, but if I'm not mistaken, the higher the frequency the higher the energy of the wave. Again, I'm not all that worried about this, due to the fact that mmWave only penetrate human body by about one millimeter, but they do create pretty high magnetic fields. Just saying that it would be nice to see some research before installing a bunch of new energy emitters through my house. But if Aqara FP1 will soon be available in US, I'll buy them anyways.
@@ilyavolodin7414 You are not mistaken in that the higher the frequency, the higher the energy of an individual photon. The energy of an individual photon is 5.102×10^-23 joules (thats 0.000 23 zeros 5 Joules) What also matters is how many photons hit you, and at this power there are so few (relatively) photons interacting with a body, that there is no significant effect.
11:57 in the bathroom!! I'd say the speed isn't that of an issue, since -as you mention-, you can pair it with a motion sensor. Not sure about the price, I don't think it's too bad given the difference it could make. Really looking forward to try them.
This looks like a great product. Combining PIR in the same sensor would be an excellent idea, and could cut the power consumption considerably too because the radar could be powered down until movement was detected.
@@rexodexo56 Of course it would. Movement triggers the radar to start up, radar is used until everyone has left the room, including when there's no movement, then radar switches off again. Movement would only be required to bring the unit out of sleep (and it's difficult to enter a room without moving). It could save tons of power e.g. overnight.
be careful having too many doppler radar units close together as it can cause interferance - don't know if Aqara have built in some sort of frequency channels that allow the device to overcome this issue.
This really portends well. Back in the late 1990's/early 2000's, I did a lot of presence detection with the Bik proximity detector, which used changes in the capacitance of an electrical field for presence detection. immediate response, didn't care about movement one way or another, supremely reliable. Downside-you had to purchase and solder together a kit, and run two parallel antenna wires across the area room, hall, bed, chair...) you wanted to sense. and, alas, it is no longer available. I've never found anything that could match it. but this sensor looks like it's approaching a huge automation holy grail for me... it can sense direction of movement. I am constantly wanting that info - is a vehicle entering or exiting the driveway? Am I walking down the hall towards the bedroom or towards the living room? or, the big one - where am I on an outdoor path? we have a 35 acre farm, and I am often working outside during dark hours. I don't want to light up the whole place: I enjoy being able to see the stars and not disrupting livestock or wildlife. In an ideal world, I would have just a pool of light around my feet for safety, and otherwise darkness. Working that way this summer, lining paths near the house with individually addressable led strips, controlled via WLED. It would be trivial to, say, light up a 20 foot section of path, 15 feet in front of and 5 feet behind, each person walking on it - except for figuring out where someone is and where they're going. As these are, I definitely want 3-5 for presence detection in the house. Make them waterproof and report the distance (that they're clearly calculating...) of the person, and I'd pay that high price for a couple dozen of them. Because I can't rely on a guest (or an intruder, or my wife) to carry a Bluetooth gizmo for ESPresence. but radar would seem to do the trick. And i prefer not battery operated.
The last few days I've been looking into a solution and kind of settled on the Bluetooth method using either ESP32's or something else. Not ideal, and still on the fence if I'd really want to go that route. But this sounds like the perfect solution. And even at this price point, I know I'd quickly forget what I had spent, while enjoying years of perfect presence detection. I already have 10 Aqara motion sensors and I think I'd only need 3 of these new sensors to make this reliable.
This resolves a problem that I've been trying to figure out. Our new windows can be opened from either side. I have sensors on most windows but if my daughters try to escape through the play room window or bedroom window (they have done this before to walk to their grandmother's house 6 miles away). I was going to need 2 sensors per window. If I put these by the window or door which is opposite the window I'm hoping I could setup some automation where leaving the room through the window would be able to trigger. Basically if someone is by the window and then no motion is detected but there was no leaving the room even trigger my red alert automation. The cost for this is about the same as what I would need to pay for 2 of the sensor's I'm currently using at $65 but the added bonus of turning the lights off in my daughter's room makes that a great price. 1 device which is able to take the place of the door sensor, two window sensors and a motion detector is well worth it.
The FIRST thing I did, even before watching the video, was trying to find a purchase link. Sadly there wasn't, so Aqara, I would LOVE to get some of these.
Aqara - please sell these in the US. I (and probably everyone doing home automation) have been waiting for a reliable presence detector. We need this NOW!! Thanks Lewis for showing this video and for the great review.
This solves so many issues that I have. If I set it up properly outdoors with proper shielding from the weather, I can use it for some other automations too
Hello from Canada. Love watching your reviews for A. You're a hottie! 😉 B. I love your accent! C. I'm really into smart home devices. I'm currently waiting for some SwitchBot items to arrive. Got some SwitchBot Curtain (rod), 3 NFC tags and a 4-pack of the Meter Plus. I hope to eventually get the smart humidifier too.
Yes please Aqara 🇬🇧. Usb c on the back would be good for plugging a longer lead in. Maybe if a motion detector was built in then then the IR would interfere with the presence detection?
Thank you for a great review. To make it work you have to change your region to China. Do you change back to your native region once connected to the Aqara app?
I'd use it, especially if there was a more aesthetically pleasing way to install/hide it. Also Would be great if ZHA had full support for configuration and settings.
Will those work with Alexa system/Alexa routines and zigbee hub? Seems like they are available on Ali Express. Will they work in the us if you import them and what hub would you recommend to get started?
I've been playing around with Aqara fp1 and it is working great. Using the presence_event rather than the presence makes it almost as responsive as a standard motion sensor. I'm using node-red at the moment ... what would you see as the main reasons for using Home Assistant if something like NR seems to work?
How exactly do you set up this in home assistant? Sorry I’m fairly new to it. Do you create an automation with event as a trigger? I also use node red and would like to see how you set this up if possible.
@@DarixCn You'd need a zigbee hub like an Aqara hub, but I use zigbee2mqtt with a compatible zigbee dongle. Then you would just monitor the mqtt inputs in nodered. I'd imagine in homeassistant there are different integrations for it, e.g. via Aqara hub, zigbee2mqtt etc.
Great video again. I thought as I watched about the entry delay "shame they didn't put a PIR in it too". I thought I'd buy a few until I heard the price. But I'd still definitely buy 2 or 3, as it looks like it works really well.
Would love one of these. I am working on setting up Room Assistant to accomplish this in four rooms, which has given me lots of difficulties, & a sensor like this would be a much simpler method. If they make these sensors available, I would quickly get some to accompany or even replace my bluetooth sensors
Definitely interested in buying one. I have one Aqara motion sensor and two Aqara G2H cameras that have built in motion sensors. Those 3 sensors don’t work reliably enough to do what I’d like to do.
Definitely a market! I’ve waited all my life for true precense detection without having to carry additional devices on my person. The lag on activation is a concern, your recommendation to pair with a PIR motion sensor is a good one, why not combine them into one unit??? Great video. Really excited about removing all my light switches! And also have home assistant recognise when I pause Netflix to check time of day and if I’m in the room to bring on a nice amber glow from my down lighters. Or sitting in the office monitoring whether and time of day or a lux sensor to see if an occupied room needs electric lighting to maintain light levels! I really need this in my life!!!
I haven't started my home setup yet, and I've been hesitant about it for all the finicky sensors out there but if this hits US markets, I'm buying them for every room of my house, period.
Solves the biggest smart home issue ever. I need at least 6 of them :) My favourite place would be somewhere under Tv. Then it will stop the TV when the kids are standing directly in front of it :)
found a similar one, but ceiling-mounted. Looks great, however it's not being handled by zha - no entities when paired. That said, I would really love a video on implementing of custom device handlers. There seems to be none so far.
I've had a lot of trouble keeping Aqara devices up in home assistant. For example, the leak sensors. And the last thing you want to have not working is a leak sensor. And that particular device does not have the ability to make a noise if it detects a leak. So they will all be moved to the Aqara Hub. Lesson learned? I will spend a bit more to get something more reliable next time. The motion sensors stay connected, but I don't want to buy a bunch of windows sensors only to find out they don't stay connected.
I would 100% buy a few of these if they were available in the UK. I'd get 5: for the living room, office, bathroom and 2 bedrooms. Please make these available over here Aqara!
Oh wow, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I hope They go on sale in the US, I’d buy half a dozen at least. Thank again Lewis for another great video.
I would love to get one of those for my office, each bathroom, and the kitchen. Those are the rooms that I constantly am tweaking timeout setting for with my motion sensors...and of course waving my arms around like a fool.
Brilliant piece of equipment and it definitely needs to be sold in Europe asap. I also hope that ZHA support for FP1 comes very, very soon (honestly I'm not a big fan of MQTT). Btw, thanks for another great video. I'm really enjoying your content and I have decided that your efforts need some love and recognition, therefor I became your Silver supporter on Patreon :)
I have been playing with presence detection also, ( Room -Assistant and ESPresense). Also started to look at a counting sensor option also. I would differently purchase this Aqara item.
Pretty versatile device, thanks to the video. I've been using power plugs with energy monitoring to be able to improve my lighting rules i. e. If my TV is on then the lights won't dim or turn off.
I personally see a need for about 5 of these at home, library, office, living room, den, and recording studio. If Aqara doesn't get off the fence on them, I suppose I'll have to order a bunch of RCWL-0516 Doppler Radar motion Sensors, and tie them into ESPHome, or see if the folk working ESPresence would consider it as a feature add. Honestly would much prefer the Aqara device if available.
Seems great and I would buy some in the UK - but shame they didn't build a motion sensor in too - and why the wire sticking out of the front - could you not have put that in the back? So for me, I may wait till v2! Still useful to turn the TV off when the lounge is empty tho so will probably get one anyway :)
Awesome device! Hopefully more vendors will start selling them, which should drive the price down. I wonder if it can detect through glass? Thinking about placing it in bathroom, and whether it would detect a person taking a shower behind glass.
What did you think of this new sensor?! 🤯
I'll add links in the description as soon as I find some!
Great review. I have to have at least one of these very cool devices. But in my living room I just made it a condition for automatically turning the light off that the tv is also off. This works great.
What is the power consumption? Compared to leaving the lights on for 20 minutes after an ordinary motion sensor stops detecting motion.
It looks like it is just what the doctor ordered! It's a pity about not being a router, and I would rather have a USB-C connector and no cable at all so one can choose any cable that is already lying around. Still, it is a great device and I would buy at least one to try out. We do have a lot of rooms where this solution is needed so to get the whole house fixed would need 5 of them. If the true range is less than 4m we would need two in some rooms to get 100% coverage.
I love that sensor... I love it that much that I made my own ESP version about 2 years ago, paired with a PIR sensor it is the perfect occupency sensor as you mentioned. I went ahead and added a DHT and a Lux sensor (based on the bruh multisensor). Total cost about 12 euro if orded cheap at aliexpress or double if orderd on amazon or so. All 11 spaces in my house have one of these multisensors.
The price you mentioned is compared to my ESP version is not excusable IMNSHO even if you take zigbee vs wifi in consideration.
That sounds great. For turning on the lights you could use a normal motion detector. That also opens up new options, what isn't easy to do with motion detectors. With a light sensor, you can switch on the lights if someone is in the room and it gets too dark.
The Espresence solution I don't get to work. With my Xiaomi Watch it isn't possible and I can't find a suitable beacon to use additionally.
So the FP1 would be a super solution.
I will buy one as soon as it will be available
This is pretty much what soooo many smart home users have wanted for years. Room presence detection is one of the Holy Grails of home automation.
I personaly do not like that i would need to use Aqara software to even just set it up but othervise it seems amazing. I would like to be able to do everything with it in home assistant directly.
Indeed. For the bathroom would be amazing. You can totally renounce to the switches (smart or non smart). A movement sensor is not so reliable
Yes this is what I have been looking for
@@likilike501 I use aqara sensors without the bridge from aqara, but with the sonoff zigbee bridge and home assistant. You are not bound to aqara.
@@Sonnetiger can you expose those sensors to homekit via hombridge? Is it possible?
This is exactly what the home automation community has been waiting on for years, well done Aqara, please roll this out worldwide.
Aqara, please bring this to the US market, this looks amazing!
Another vote for the USA!
Me too!
Also, please add an integrated motion sensor for dual detection
Umbristopheles: Let's not be selfish here... Worldwide market please! :o)
@@inygomontoiya sounds like you want an Everything Presence One
I'll take three!
I hate when people say "game changer" because it never is ..... This may be an exception! 😮 A real shame they didn't add a traditional motion sensor and router capability. I'm glad there is a temperature sensor. I could take my current temperature sensor and move it elsewhere.
I would probably buy a couple, this thing looks insanely good, compared to something like room assistant on a RPI Zero, where you also need another device!
Most useful sensor for smart homes! Hoping to see this available in the international market ASAP.
Also - as mentioned, if there was a future “FP2” device release, the little niggles / ideas (such as the potential to combine a conventional motion sensor below within the same enclosure, have it support ZigBee routing as a permanently powered device, and perhaps changing to having a USB-C socket on the unit so that people can BYO different cable lengths for power than the one supplied in the box if needed [and hence not hard wired].
Even with the current little niggles, this is an exciting innovation from Aqara that hasn’t been adequately solved by their competitors - PLEASE Aqara, get this product released to the global market ASAP!
Yup. I've already scanned all the regular sellers. Would buy it the moment it gets available in Europe.
I guess the real reason Aqara is not launching this anywhere else is that it uses a mini radar tech which operates in a pre defined frequency band. In many countries, some frequency bands are reserved only for military use. For example, Pixel 4 phone had a Soli radar chip, due to this it was not allowed to launch in India because it used 60GHz band which was regulated by government and thus banned for civilian use.
it make sense
Also, it might double up as a microwave :D
woah, this is exactly what ive been looking for!
I made something similar to this using ESPHome and a microwave motion sensor. The great thing about these sensors is that they do not need line of sight to detect presence. Mine detects presence pretty much immediately, but I don’t have the ability to detect direction of movement.
Hi Laialbert, which microwave sensor are you using? I am going to build one using ESPHome too. Thanks in advance.
@Iaialbert I also would like to know which microwave motion sensor you have
@@AIONizandoCRI am using a raletively cheap sensor LD1115H. It is not as sensitive as FP1 when using the default settings, but will do the job turning off lights when there is no one in the room for a certain time.
Yeelight make a combined mmWAve/PIR sensor, but it’s even harder to find than the FP1. It also requires their Pro Bluetooth mesh hub (also equally rare…).
This is exactly what a UA-camr should be doing, producing content that is really new. Fantastic reporting on a new product. Will be buying one ASAP.
The automations possible with this are amazing, and no other sensor seems comparable. This should absolutely be sold in the US, assuming there's the market for it!
Glad you managed to get hold of one, it sounds like that was a real challenge!
Seems to be a great option though, and less faff than other presence sensing options.
Hopefully Aqara will watch the video and release them worldwide, as well as incorporate some of your suggestions into future versions.
Hope they start selling them in the US market soon! Definitely would be interested in a few for my home, have been considering using ESPhome and Raspberry Pi Zeros. Would love these devices for simplicity's sake instead. Think I'll hold off on presence detection until I can get my hands on one or two of these. Basically have three or four rooms I'd like to cover.
I was about to hold off on getting some new motion sensors as I plan to upgrade to FP1 once available in the US. That was until I saw 6:36. Thank you for pointing this out! Now I can get better sensing immediately and have those still be useful once I can get a hold of these!
I like it. Like you mentioned, having a motion sensor would have been super so that you could have a more all in one solution and not a bunch of sensors lining the roof or wall, each performing only one task. Price would not deter me so much if it does address that "holy grail" of presence detection as it would then definitely sort out a lot problems, specially not needing a device (eg guests) to be detected like ESPresense does that Im currently using
Thanks for reviewing this product! I initially started using Aqara products because of their Magic Cube which is quite unique in the scene controller space. This looks like another unique item that can draw positive attention to their brand in an crowded area. I have used several other Aqara products since buying the Magic Cube and am always impressed with the quality, functionality and reliability of their products. I hope they bring this to other markets soon -- especially the US. 😃
If it was available in the NL I would buy one. This is something I've been looking for for some time. I hope Aqara is going to sell this in the Netherlands 🙂
Presence detection is a something I've been looking into a lot lately. I saw this sensor mentioned on Reddit and I got so excited but couldn't find it anywhere. It could be a solid option paired with home assistant. Hopefully Aqara does change their mind because I'd totally buy a couple.
Petie Aliexress got some in today
Yes we need these sensors... and not looking at room presence alone.. U mentioned this sensor uses cloud radar technology. Coupled with the right software.. could it in the future also detect if someone is standing up / sitting / laying on the floor? Then it could get seriously interesting in detecting falls / accidents and sending messages to get help for example.
Yes, the technique itself could most likely be used for all sorts of things, but it will depend on the firmware / hw combo on how much flexibility it will have algorithmically.
These devices are exactly what literally every smart home owner needs
This is exactly what I need, why they think there will not be a market for this is beyond me, we need more stuff like this.
That's great! Would be awesome if they included traditional motion sensing as well as environmental sensors such as light level, temp, humidity, tampering.
Have tried to make my own microwave sensors in the past but had issues where it could not only detect me through walls but could see my neighbours moving around in their lounge too!
Does this device have any issues where it detects through walls / floors, also does it detect behind the device too (my diy ones didn't have rear shielding)?
Aqara please create a gen 2 version of this with a Zigbee Router built in - this is a must for all plugged in zigbee devices IMO. Also with mmWave sensors it is possible to count people so please add this feature too.
It would be great if the software allowed you to add a floorplan of your house and create a map of each of the rooms so you could semi accurately have the sensors say you are in room x / y if there is overlap of sensor coverage (if they can detect through walls etc).
I think I'd want to measure the power usage, then combine this with a traditional motion sensor and a smart plug. E.g. when motion is detected power this on, and let this monitor room presence. When the room is empty, kill power to this, then wait for motion.
Would be cool if you could turn the scanning on/off in the device itself via zigbee so you wouldn't need the plug.
So interesting to see that it is wired? rather than battery. Your explanation of power requirement makes sense. Hopefully, they will have a battery version and also include a basic motion sensor in a next release of this product. Conceptually it looks very good!! and a very good in depth review. Thank you.
I have a @Wyze V2 motion sensor (battery) ($9) which is actually very good.
What I do is have it so that the light drops by 10% brightness if no motion rather than turn off, then after another 10 seconds it turns off. I move my arm, etc. and it goes back up the 10%. However, it seldom kicks in so the sensor seems to work quite well. Some like it, some do not. I do !!
Have been waiting for those to start selling in US for a while now. I know that there are a bunch of DIY solutions for mmWave sensors, but they cost almost as much as Aqara FP1 does, and software would definitely be significantly worse. I'm still a bit concerned about constant exposure to mmWave though. While it has been in-use for a long time in Airport scanners, those are only used occasionally, and I don't think there has been any studies done on long-term exposure to high frequency waves on a human body.
4G and specially 5G antenna expose you on the same exposure where you don't have any control ... a bit more of in your house then ;)
@@zigomatic That's a fair point at least for 5G. 4G uses significantly lower spectrum. But even 5G is lower bands than mmWave. Most of mmWave sensors are either 24Ghz or 60-77Ghz which is significantly higher than 5G's 37-40Ghz range. 77Ghz is a lot of energy being pumped out in an enclosed space. Anyways, I'm not too worried about it, since it's been in use for a while now, but would be nice to see some studies before installing something like that inside my home.
@@ilyavolodin7414 77Ghz is just the frequency, not the amount of energy. These devices have such a low output, there is no need to worry. Its not like you are placing a mobile base station in your bed.
There has not been done allot of studies on how long term exposure of small rain drops affect the body either. And it will never be done. There is an obvious reason for that. :)
@@haknys It's been a very long time since my high school physics, but if I'm not mistaken, the higher the frequency the higher the energy of the wave. Again, I'm not all that worried about this, due to the fact that mmWave only penetrate human body by about one millimeter, but they do create pretty high magnetic fields. Just saying that it would be nice to see some research before installing a bunch of new energy emitters through my house. But if Aqara FP1 will soon be available in US, I'll buy them anyways.
@@ilyavolodin7414 You are not mistaken in that the higher the frequency, the higher the energy of an individual photon. The energy of an individual photon is 5.102×10^-23 joules (thats 0.000 23 zeros 5 Joules) What also matters is how many photons hit you, and at this power there are so few (relatively) photons interacting with a body, that there is no significant effect.
11:57 in the bathroom!! I'd say the speed isn't that of an issue, since -as you mention-, you can pair it with a motion sensor. Not sure about the price, I don't think it's too bad given the difference it could make. Really looking forward to try them.
This looks like a great product. Combining PIR in the same sensor would be an excellent idea, and could cut the power consumption considerably too because the radar could be powered down until movement was detected.
Then the presence detection without movement wouldn't work anymore, would it?
@@rexodexo56 Of course it would. Movement triggers the radar to start up, radar is used until everyone has left the room, including when there's no movement, then radar switches off again. Movement would only be required to bring the unit out of sleep (and it's difficult to enter a room without moving). It could save tons of power e.g. overnight.
I want 20 this solves so many problems. I think i could use another lot of those at work.
Greetings from Germany
I would buy 2 for every room in our house - i love the wired solution! But the price is a bit hard to swallow
be careful having too many doppler radar units close together as it can cause interferance - don't know if Aqara have built in some sort of frequency channels that allow the device to overcome this issue.
@@AlexBoltonKing good Point, i would think tust they have built in channels. Because 5m range and 120° could be a big limit
This really portends well. Back in the late 1990's/early 2000's, I did a lot of presence detection with the Bik proximity detector, which used changes in the capacitance of an electrical field for presence detection. immediate response, didn't care about movement one way or another, supremely reliable. Downside-you had to purchase and solder together a kit, and run two parallel antenna wires across the area room, hall, bed, chair...) you wanted to sense. and, alas, it is no longer available. I've never found anything that could match it.
but this sensor looks like it's approaching a huge automation holy grail for me... it can sense direction of movement. I am constantly wanting that info - is a vehicle entering or exiting the driveway? Am I walking down the hall towards the bedroom or towards the living room? or, the big one - where am I on an outdoor path?
we have a 35 acre farm, and I am often working outside during dark hours. I don't want to light up the whole place: I enjoy being able to see the stars and not disrupting livestock or wildlife. In an ideal world, I would have just a pool of light around my feet for safety, and otherwise darkness. Working that way this summer, lining paths near the house with individually addressable led strips, controlled via WLED. It would be trivial to, say, light up a 20 foot section of path, 15 feet in front of and 5 feet behind, each person walking on it - except for figuring out where someone is and where they're going.
As these are, I definitely want 3-5 for presence detection in the house. Make them waterproof and report the distance (that they're clearly calculating...) of the person, and I'd pay that high price for a couple dozen of them. Because I can't rely on a guest (or an intruder, or my wife) to carry a Bluetooth gizmo for ESPresence. but radar would seem to do the trick. And i prefer not battery operated.
The last few days I've been looking into a solution and kind of settled on the Bluetooth method using either ESP32's or something else. Not ideal, and still on the fence if I'd really want to go that route.
But this sounds like the perfect solution. And even at this price point, I know I'd quickly forget what I had spent, while enjoying years of perfect presence detection. I already have 10 Aqara motion sensors and I think I'd only need 3 of these new sensors to make this reliable.
I would love to have these to my home automation setup it's perfect for my use
This resolves a problem that I've been trying to figure out. Our new windows can be opened from either side. I have sensors on most windows but if my daughters try to escape through the play room window or bedroom window (they have done this before to walk to their grandmother's house 6 miles away). I was going to need 2 sensors per window. If I put these by the window or door which is opposite the window I'm hoping I could setup some automation where leaving the room through the window would be able to trigger. Basically if someone is by the window and then no motion is detected but there was no leaving the room even trigger my red alert automation. The cost for this is about the same as what I would need to pay for 2 of the sensor's I'm currently using at $65 but the added bonus of turning the lights off in my daughter's room makes that a great price. 1 device which is able to take the place of the door sensor, two window sensors and a motion detector is well worth it.
Just bought 3 on eBay, Aqara really needs to sell these
I almost thought this was a click bait article, but you're right, it's a game changer!
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks for enlightening me
Sounds incredible! Aqara, please make this product available in the US!
The FIRST thing I did, even before watching the video, was trying to find a purchase link. Sadly there wasn't, so Aqara, I would LOVE to get some of these.
Aqara - please sell these in the US. I (and probably everyone doing home automation) have been waiting for a reliable presence detector. We need this NOW!!
Thanks Lewis for showing this video and for the great review.
This solves so many issues that I have. If I set it up properly outdoors with proper shielding from the weather, I can use it for some other automations too
Aqara, this is so needed! Please sell this to us all!
Great sensor, I played with some mm wave devices but didn't realise just how good it was at detecting presence. This is a game changer!
Hello from Canada. Love watching your reviews for A. You're a hottie! 😉 B. I love your accent! C. I'm really into smart home devices. I'm currently waiting for some SwitchBot items to arrive. Got some SwitchBot Curtain (rod), 3 NFC tags and a 4-pack of the Meter Plus. I hope to eventually get the smart humidifier too.
Yes please Aqara 🇬🇧. Usb c on the back would be good for plugging a longer lead in.
Maybe if a motion detector was built in then then the IR would interfere with the presence detection?
Thank you for a great review. To make it work you have to change your region to China. Do you change back to your native region once connected to the Aqara app?
I need at least four of them in my house. Thanks for the video!!
I'd use it, especially if there was a more aesthetically pleasing way to install/hide it. Also Would be great if ZHA had full support for configuration and settings.
I definitely would buy several of these. This would be great for bathroom occupancy, which most people probably have.
Yes, I agree I would love to have this for my smart home. I would take probably 3. Everything I've been looking for.
Will those work with Alexa system/Alexa routines and zigbee hub? Seems like they are available on Ali Express. Will they work in the us if you import them and what hub would you recommend to get started?
Please, Aqara, we need those in Europe too! Great innovation! I need one of these for at least 3 of my rooms!
Aqara - these will 100% sell to the smartphone communities outside of China. We will buy these for sure!
I’m in the UK and really agree this is a game changer for the Smart Home, Aqara really need to ship it wider.
I've been playing around with Aqara fp1 and it is working great. Using the presence_event rather than the presence makes it almost as responsive as a standard motion sensor. I'm using node-red at the moment ... what would you see as the main reasons for using Home Assistant if something like NR seems to work?
How exactly do you set up this in home assistant? Sorry I’m fairly new to it. Do you create an automation with event as a trigger? I also use node red and would like to see how you set this up if possible.
@@DarixCn You'd need a zigbee hub like an Aqara hub, but I use zigbee2mqtt with a compatible zigbee dongle. Then you would just monitor the mqtt inputs in nodered. I'd imagine in homeassistant there are different integrations for it, e.g. via Aqara hub, zigbee2mqtt etc.
Can you change back the region to US after the sensor is linked/connected?
Great video again. I thought as I watched about the entry delay "shame they didn't put a PIR in it too". I thought I'd buy a few until I heard the price. But I'd still definitely buy 2 or 3, as it looks like it works really well.
Would love one of these. I am working on setting up Room Assistant to accomplish this in four rooms, which has given me lots of difficulties, & a sensor like this would be a much simpler method. If they make these sensors available, I would quickly get some to accompany or even replace my bluetooth sensors
Any suggestions for motion sensors with room presence that work with sengled light bulbs with Alexa automations?
Thank you so much for making this video! This is the solution I've been looking for!
yes please Aqara ... please sell them in the UK! Presence detection using this would be awesome
This would solve so many of my home automation problems! I really hope Aqara launches it worldwide
Sounds awesome, can't wait to get my hands on this... Will monitor Amazon... Cheers, from South Africa :)
Love the image on the computer behind you…. It’s from Ash Cave in Hocking Hills Ohio….. group up there during the the summers….
Definitely interested in buying one. I have one Aqara motion sensor and two Aqara G2H cameras that have built in motion sensors. Those 3 sensors don’t work reliably enough to do what I’d like to do.
Another great video! I’m surprised there is even a question for if this is wanted. Of course it will be. Sounds just what I was looking for
Definitely need several this product for my smart home in the USA.
I would absolutely love some of these for my lounge, office and bedroom at a minimum! Definitely keeping an eye out for these!
Definitely a market! I’ve waited all my life for true precense detection without having to carry additional devices on my person. The lag on activation is a concern, your recommendation to pair with a PIR motion sensor is a good one, why not combine them into one unit???
Great video. Really excited about removing all my light switches! And also have home assistant recognise when I pause Netflix to check time of day and if I’m in the room to bring on a nice amber glow from my down lighters.
Or sitting in the office monitoring whether and time of day or a lux sensor to see if an occupied room needs electric lighting to maintain light levels!
I really need this in my life!!!
I haven't started my home setup yet, and I've been hesitant about it for all the finicky sensors out there but if this hits US markets, I'm buying them for every room of my house, period.
Definitely will buy when available, solves a problem we all have
Solves the biggest smart home issue ever. I need at least 6 of them :)
My favourite place would be somewhere under Tv. Then it will stop the TV when the kids are standing directly in front of it :)
Finally. I've been waiting for this for years.
found a similar one, but ceiling-mounted. Looks great, however it's not being handled by zha - no entities when paired. That said, I would really love a video on implementing of custom device handlers. There seems to be none so far.
I've had a lot of trouble keeping Aqara devices up in home assistant. For example, the leak sensors. And the last thing you want to have not working is a leak sensor. And that particular device does not have the ability to make a noise if it detects a leak. So they will all be moved to the Aqara Hub. Lesson learned? I will spend a bit more to get something more reliable next time. The motion sensors stay connected, but I don't want to buy a bunch of windows sensors only to find out they don't stay connected.
This is brilliant. Definitely something I think I’ll be purchasing. Will help with soooo many automations.
Couch and desk detection... I need this so much!
Another great video. If these were available in the US, I'd likely buy 3, maybe 4! Thanks for bypassing Aqara to let us see it.
I would 100% buy a few of these if they were available in the UK. I'd get 5: for the living room, office, bathroom and 2 bedrooms. Please make these available over here Aqara!
this is a game changer for sure! i've gotten around this problem by binding multiple motion sensors and using long cooldown times
Definitely need this in Germany! Aqara, please bring these here!
Oh wow, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I hope They go on sale in the US, I’d buy half a dozen at least. Thank again Lewis for another great video.
I would love to get one of those for my office, each bathroom, and the kitchen. Those are the rooms that I constantly am tweaking timeout setting for with my motion sensors...and of course waving my arms around like a fool.
I'm still waiting to start automation in my house but soon soon it will rise and this product is really really good !
Nice.
I would really love to see them sold here in Europe. Please aqara!
Ahh this is exactly what I've been wishing for!! Aqara PLEASE start carrying these in the US
Thanks for the great review. Something important I guess you have not covered: does it have embedded light sensor?
Thanks
Brilliant piece of equipment and it definitely needs to be sold in Europe asap. I also hope that ZHA support for FP1 comes very, very soon (honestly I'm not a big fan of MQTT). Btw, thanks for another great video. I'm really enjoying your content and I have decided that your efforts need some love and recognition, therefor I became your Silver supporter on Patreon :)
I have been playing with presence detection also, ( Room -Assistant and ESPresense). Also started to look at a counting sensor option also. I would differently purchase this Aqara item.
Please bring to this to the US market. This is exactly what I have been waiting on for years.
Pretty versatile device, thanks to the video. I've been using power plugs with energy monitoring to be able to improve my lighting rules i. e. If my TV is on then the lights won't dim or turn off.
Not only there's a market for this, it's a huge market. I will buy 1 of this for every room of my home the second it gets available worldwide
I personally see a need for about 5 of these at home, library, office, living room, den, and recording studio. If Aqara doesn't get off the fence on them, I suppose I'll have to order a bunch of RCWL-0516 Doppler Radar motion Sensors, and tie them into ESPHome, or see if the folk working ESPresence would consider it as a feature add. Honestly would much prefer the Aqara device if available.
Seems great and I would buy some in the UK - but shame they didn't build a motion sensor in too - and why the wire sticking out of the front - could you not have put that in the back? So for me, I may wait till v2! Still useful to turn the TV off when the lounge is empty tho so will probably get one anyway :)
I'm all onboard for the purchase of this. I does look amazing and hope they become available in the US soon. Thanks for the great review.
Awesome device! Hopefully more vendors will start selling them, which should drive the price down.
I wonder if it can detect through glass? Thinking about placing it in bathroom, and whether it would detect a person taking a shower behind glass.
would love to know as well, as I'd have the exact same use case :)
This is MUST HAVE! Come on Aqara please bring it to the UK. Great video btw