CURSE YOU, BAYLE! I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY! BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR, AND I, IGON! YOUR FEAR MADE FLESH! SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON, BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE! WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS! WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!
CURSE YOU, BAYLE! I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY! BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR, AND I, IGON! YOUR FEAR MADE FLESH! SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON, BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE! WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS! WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!
OMG, I read the description and I feel pretty vindicated. This boss is pretty jank. I've been told I'm crazy, I don't understand the boss, I have a skill issue... No the fight is just inconsistent. It literally feels unfinished to me.
nah you right. And I even liked this boss a lot for a casual run but its hell for challenge running. Bayle is lobotomized and elden ring fire bouncing is still a thing for whatever reason
if you roll then i dont see how can you find this boss unfinished?? like every move is telegraphed and easily dodgeable. like it might actually be a skill issue because i can easily no hit this boss now, idk about no roll tho lol i havent tried that yet
awesome fight. i was wondering if no rolls would be possible on this. it's interesting that the solution is to fight him in what would normally be a "bad" way (ignoring the head). your ability to recognize attacks with the barest of information is pretty remarkable. i also love using the side of the arena for the divebomb attack. a bit of placidusax tech there. well done!
Yeah, the dive bomb is always dodgeable, but using the wall like this gets you closer to the boss after landing (and being at range isn't safe). I did get hit to the bursting AoEs once while hugging the wall so I can't say it's 100%, but I did it a lot and only had that happen once. As for the head thing, the base of the tail takes the same damage as the head so it's less bad than one might expect (hitting legs as I do a lot is obviously much worse though)
@@mouseinatutu Interesting, I didn't know that about that the tail. Does it do the same poise damage as head hits as well? And does that apply only to Bayle, or to other dragons as well?
@@justinhowe3878 No clue, but I'd assume it did the same. And I don't remember seeing the other dragons take more damage to their tails, but I haven't fought any in a long time. The dragons in the DLC I've just run past :P
fighting him casually i felt like he'd suck for these kinds of runs, and wow looks like i was right!! gg btw do you knoe if theres any rhyme or reason to whether he'll do the "fire breath in a straight line towards you that slowly tracks as you run to the side" or instead lead his shot and send the fire in front of the way youre running?
You were certainly correct. As for the fire, no clue, though I think the jump-straight fire and just standalone fire is one of the differences. Jumping sideways dodges it most of the time, though even if it's not leading it can bounce into you. The aiming is really weird, going in front as you say, completely straight or even aiming away from you. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, or if it's some weird behaviour such as the boss turning away from you and staring at walls, doing ranged attacks when you're right next to or behind it, and doing melee attacks when you're on the opposite side of the arena from it... This boss probably needed a bit more time in the oven
@@mouseinatutu I'm convinced that the boss "leading you" with the fire is an AI bug, and he's just not aiming where he's supposed to. Sometimes it happens that it's where you're traveling and it feels like it happened on purpose, but I doubt it.
I hate how it’s so inconsistent. Elden Ring dragon fire is horribly designed, but in addition, this boss’s AI is sometimes broken, which keeps it from being an S-tier boss for me. Nice to see you have similar thoughts in your description
Oh man this boss is so jank - like I'm doing a shield only no roll run and this boss is just outright horrible. It's block angles are jank, fires jumping, being stuck in legs, and so many more... I can see how rolling would make this fight more well built but I guess in a way this is one of the bosses where either Fromsoft didn't consider the no rolling plays (or heck even block build) or other bosses just happened to be no roll-able by coincidence. Huge respect to you for doing this without even blocking!
Yeah, this boss needed some more time in the oven for sure. GL with your run, I've done shield only before, but not no roll with it. Sounds interesting
@@mouseinatutu Thanks, and if you ever do, please upload them, interested in your take! It elevates the run in a few ways if you take the no-hit out of the equation - altho no-hit may still be interesting but that's not the point unless it can't be helped - like Malenia.
For reference, you can dodge line fire. I learned to do it very consistently, its juat damn hard. I can post a video of it once I get back to the DLC since I went into NG +2 already I didnt know the fire bounced though. Looking at it I thought it was just straight up tracking me. Had to use Bloodhound's for that, and rven then I could barely dodge jt
@@mouseinatutu Did you mean dodging without rolling? Cause if that's what you meant, then I'm talking nonsense. I was referring to just dodging it with rolling
@@maughtayo Yeah, this is a no roll video, so that is what I was referring to. It's dodgeable as shown in the clips, but as far as I could tell only if you were at Bayle's back half when it started. Also, not sure the flying like breath bounces, but the regular fire breaths do
@@mouseinatutu I'm not sure why Fromsoft insists on putting random little obstacles and slopes in arenas. I love it when my input doesn't register, because I'm falling down from a 3-inch rock.
@@csabagalambos1461 They are allergic to a nice flat arena, while also allergic to making their bosses, or the player's inputs, work properly on uneven ground
Thank you for not glazing over this boss like everyone else. Bayle has been quite a dissapointing fight for me, was really expecting something cool like midir but he just has a lot of bad combos and fakeouts.. and punishes for you punishing his misses. And turns out the best way to fight him is sitting at his ass like all the other shit dragon fights in elden ring…. Igon is the only good thing about the actual fight.
After mastering the entire fight and becoming consistent, I generally appreciate a boss more than I did during the learning process, but that wasn't really the case for me with Bayle. He's just not a great boss. It's hard not to compare to Midir when considering unique dragon bosses, and while I do like Bayle far more than the generic Elden Ring dragons (obviously this excludes Plasidusax), he isn't even a tenth as interesting as Midir. It's a shame.
Do you mind to elaborate how you manage to get at least 15 in all stats and 40 str in rl1? My math is not making much sense, even considering the gear you're using.
I was very curious how the flying flamebreath could even be dodged. I suppose I should have known the answer was janky AI. Now someone just needs to figure out Metyr's stupid floating laserfest.
There's a couple clips of flying flamebreath in the description if you didn't see that. It's dodgeable as long as you're at the back half of the boss. If in front there's no chance unless the fire projectiles end up under the ground (which happens a fair bit actually). Metyr looks ridiculous...
I’m sorry but I think you gotta take a break from doing the no-roll challenge runs lmao. Because Bayle is actually an amazing boss if you fight him as intended, but as with any boss, if you don’t take breaks when you get frustrated you’re just gonna end up hating the boss (I used to hate Mohg because I died so much to him, but once I beat him a few times in subsequent playthroughs I can see why people like Mohg as a boss so much.) Also the big fire attacks aren’t undodgeable, only unavoidable by these specific restrictions lol. That attack has never hit me when I’m playing normally, even when I’m panic rolling.
Rolls can help mitigate some of the issues, but it doesn't fix his broken AI or his random bouncing fire. Also: IDK where you got the idea his big fire attacks aren't dodgeable in no roll.
@@mouseinatutu IMO Bayle is an S tier fight. But even I admit it's full of jank. For me he often just starts swinging at thin air, facing the wrong way. After his roar into lightning beams attack he doesn't track back onto the player usually and just attacks in a different direction... But the positives are so positive I can't help but give him an S.
It's nice. Weak to pierce, need some range. With balls I struggled with hitting him. Pickaxe and a colossal gs with poke r2 were also options I used for a bit, but them being a bit slow and costing a lot of stamina put me in some bad situations.
@@mouseinatutu did you try the dragon hunter great katana or whatever? think it does quite a bit extra damage to dragons but I don't really like gk moveset and not sure if it's worth it tbh
Thank you for not glazing over this boss like everyone else. Bayle has been quite a dissapointing fight for me, was really expecting something cool like midir but he just has a lot of bad combos and fakeouts.. and punishes for you punishing his misses. And turns out the best way to fight him is sitting at his ass like all the other shit dragon fights in elden ring…. Igon is the only good thing about the actual fight.
CURSE YOU, BAYLE!
I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY!
BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR, AND I, IGON! YOUR FEAR MADE FLESH!
SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON, BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!
WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!
CURSE YOU, BAYLE
heehehhe ~
CURSE YOU, BAYLE!
I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY!
BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR, AND I, IGON! YOUR FEAR MADE FLESH!
SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON, BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!
WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING!
GOTY voice acting
no rolling this shit is probably the most anticlimactic fight ever. still, hats off man
Yeah, some fights are elevated doing them no roll. This one definitely is not
I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
GG Mouse!
I knew this boss would be bad, and the no roll strats would be even worse, but my god, this looks worse than I could've imagined
Yeah...
A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR!
Always impressive
Cleanrot Knight Sword reigns supreme
OMG, I read the description and I feel pretty vindicated. This boss is pretty jank. I've been told I'm crazy, I don't understand the boss, I have a skill issue... No the fight is just inconsistent. It literally feels unfinished to me.
He's turbo broken
nah you right. And I even liked this boss a lot for a casual run but its hell for challenge running. Bayle is lobotomized and elden ring fire bouncing is still a thing for whatever reason
@@mouseinatutuIf you hate Bayle, you'll detest Messmer. On some moves he even snaps onto you and has a thrust that's almost impossible to strafe.
if you roll then i dont see how can you find this boss unfinished?? like every move is telegraphed and easily dodgeable. like it might actually be a skill issue because i can easily no hit this boss now, idk about no roll tho lol i havent tried that yet
@@mum-your i think they're talking about the enemy's AI, which doesn't seem to function correctly.
This is so cheeky… remember when i strike him after 200 deaths, lv 180, scadu lv 14 with zero flasks left and a hair of energy meter…
Whatever it takes, gg!
very impressive, i assumed that this boss would be a bit of a nightmare to no roll
Kinda made him look like placidusax here, just standing by his tail. Good shit as always
awesome fight. i was wondering if no rolls would be possible on this. it's interesting that the solution is to fight him in what would normally be a "bad" way (ignoring the head). your ability to recognize attacks with the barest of information is pretty remarkable. i also love using the side of the arena for the divebomb attack. a bit of placidusax tech there. well done!
Yeah, the dive bomb is always dodgeable, but using the wall like this gets you closer to the boss after landing (and being at range isn't safe). I did get hit to the bursting AoEs once while hugging the wall so I can't say it's 100%, but I did it a lot and only had that happen once. As for the head thing, the base of the tail takes the same damage as the head so it's less bad than one might expect (hitting legs as I do a lot is obviously much worse though)
@@mouseinatutu Interesting, I didn't know that about that the tail. Does it do the same poise damage as head hits as well? And does that apply only to Bayle, or to other dragons as well?
@@justinhowe3878 No clue, but I'd assume it did the same. And I don't remember seeing the other dragons take more damage to their tails, but I haven't fought any in a long time. The dragons in the DLC I've just run past :P
Condolences.
🙏
fighting him casually i felt like he'd suck for these kinds of runs, and wow looks like i was right!! gg
btw do you knoe if theres any rhyme or reason to whether he'll do the "fire breath in a straight line towards you that slowly tracks as you run to the side" or instead lead his shot and send the fire in front of the way youre running?
You were certainly correct. As for the fire, no clue, though I think the jump-straight fire and just standalone fire is one of the differences. Jumping sideways dodges it most of the time, though even if it's not leading it can bounce into you. The aiming is really weird, going in front as you say, completely straight or even aiming away from you. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, or if it's some weird behaviour such as the boss turning away from you and staring at walls, doing ranged attacks when you're right next to or behind it, and doing melee attacks when you're on the opposite side of the arena from it... This boss probably needed a bit more time in the oven
@@mouseinatutu he's cooked and not in a good way
@@mouseinatutu I'm convinced that the boss "leading you" with the fire is an AI bug, and he's just not aiming where he's supposed to. Sometimes it happens that it's where you're traveling and it feels like it happened on purpose, but I doubt it.
@@justinhowe3878 Yeah, considering his other... quirks. It's hard to tell one way or the other lol
So it's not a new peak dragon fight? 😢
I hate how it’s so inconsistent. Elden Ring dragon fire is horribly designed, but in addition, this boss’s AI is sometimes broken, which keeps it from being an S-tier boss for me.
Nice to see you have similar thoughts in your description
@@bananacorn4375 Bouncing fire is just awful. Don't like when things aren't consistent
Oh man this boss is so jank - like I'm doing a shield only no roll run and this boss is just outright horrible. It's block angles are jank, fires jumping, being stuck in legs, and so many more...
I can see how rolling would make this fight more well built but I guess in a way this is one of the bosses where either Fromsoft didn't consider the no rolling plays (or heck even block build) or other bosses just happened to be no roll-able by coincidence.
Huge respect to you for doing this without even blocking!
Yeah, this boss needed some more time in the oven for sure. GL with your run, I've done shield only before, but not no roll with it. Sounds interesting
@@mouseinatutu Thanks, and if you ever do, please upload them, interested in your take! It elevates the run in a few ways if you take the no-hit out of the equation - altho no-hit may still be interesting but that's not the point unless it can't be helped - like Malenia.
For reference, you can dodge line fire. I learned to do it very consistently, its juat damn hard. I can post a video of it once I get back to the DLC since I went into NG +2 already
I didnt know the fire bounced though. Looking at it I thought it was just straight up tracking me. Had to use Bloodhound's for that, and rven then I could barely dodge jt
What line fire are we talking about here? The one in the description?
@mouseinatutu Yeah. I don't think there's any other move that's similar, besides his transition to Phase 2
@@mouseinatutu Did you mean dodging without rolling? Cause if that's what you meant, then I'm talking nonsense. I was referring to just dodging it with rolling
@@maughtayo Yeah, this is a no roll video, so that is what I was referring to. It's dodgeable as shown in the clips, but as far as I could tell only if you were at Bayle's back half when it started.
Also, not sure the flying like breath bounces, but the regular fire breaths do
does he take increased damage to the tail as well? (nvm i just read your reply to a comment)
Goated
GG. Metyr no talismans +0 RL1 no Scadutree no sprint NG+7 next right?
:hollow:
Bayle isnt a good fight, but hes funky and cool and igon is the best and the theme goes hard too
Bayle is 10/10
legend
Didn't know that tail can be jumped, i have learned 👍
@@trompettegilles9502 Just beware he can aim it up into the air when he's on a slope
@@mouseinatutu I'm not sure why Fromsoft insists on putting random little obstacles and slopes in arenas. I love it when my input doesn't register, because I'm falling down from a 3-inch rock.
@@csabagalambos1461 They are allergic to a nice flat arena, while also allergic to making their bosses, or the player's inputs, work properly on uneven ground
gg, nice kill. Which boss are you doing next?
@@Godspeed27119 I was planning on doing scadutree avatar, but it keeps crashing my game...
Thank you for not glazing over this boss like everyone else. Bayle has been quite a dissapointing fight for me, was really expecting something cool like midir but he just has a lot of bad combos and fakeouts.. and punishes for you punishing his misses. And turns out the best way to fight him is sitting at his ass like all the other shit dragon fights in elden ring…. Igon is the only good thing about the actual fight.
After mastering the entire fight and becoming consistent, I generally appreciate a boss more than I did during the learning process, but that wasn't really the case for me with Bayle. He's just not a great boss. It's hard not to compare to Midir when considering unique dragon bosses, and while I do like Bayle far more than the generic Elden Ring dragons (obviously this excludes Plasidusax), he isn't even a tenth as interesting as Midir. It's a shame.
Heck yea, gg!
the poke is real...
it almost looking funny any time I see poke weapon kill these gigantic creature
goodjob!
VILE BAYLE!
Holy shit! GGs
Do you mind to elaborate how you manage to get at least 15 in all stats and 40 str in rl1? My math is not making much sense, even considering the gear you're using.
10 base, 5 great rune, 5 hat, 10 talismans, 10 physick.
2:17 wow
VIIIILLLLEEE BAYYYLLEEEE
I was very curious how the flying flamebreath could even be dodged. I suppose I should have known the answer was janky AI. Now someone just needs to figure out Metyr's stupid floating laserfest.
There's a couple clips of flying flamebreath in the description if you didn't see that. It's dodgeable as long as you're at the back half of the boss. If in front there's no chance unless the fire projectiles end up under the ground (which happens a fair bit actually). Metyr looks ridiculous...
its the same way you dodge every laser attack, by getting behind the boss. rolling requires frame perfect rolls
You can definitely learn to dodge it consistently, it is just damn hard
@@maughtayo I mean without rolling or i-frames.
@MainTopmastStaysail Oh nvm. I thought it was just doing it normally. Ignore my dummy ass
G O D!
YOU ARE AWESOME WOW
dumb question but how did u get so much strength?
10 physick, 5 great rune, 5 hat, 5 radagon soreseal, 5 starscourge talisman
holyyyyyyyy shiiiiitttttt
Man the urge not to roll 😂
All those tail hits and no dragon tail weapon 😂
Truly the biggest shame of all
I’m sorry but I think you gotta take a break from doing the no-roll challenge runs lmao. Because Bayle is actually an amazing boss if you fight him as intended, but as with any boss, if you don’t take breaks when you get frustrated you’re just gonna end up hating the boss (I used to hate Mohg because I died so much to him, but once I beat him a few times in subsequent playthroughs I can see why people like Mohg as a boss so much.)
Also the big fire attacks aren’t undodgeable, only unavoidable by these specific restrictions lol. That attack has never hit me when I’m playing normally, even when I’m panic rolling.
Rolls can help mitigate some of the issues, but it doesn't fix his broken AI or his random bouncing fire.
Also: IDK where you got the idea his big fire attacks aren't dodgeable in no roll.
@@mouseinatutu IMO Bayle is an S tier fight.
But even I admit it's full of jank. For me he often just starts swinging at thin air, facing the wrong way. After his roar into lightning beams attack he doesn't track back onto the player usually and just attacks in a different direction...
But the positives are so positive I can't help but give him an S.
Everyone here is saying bayle sucks ass but is that for the challenge run? Since casually he seems fine lol
You do more damage than my lvl 180 character 😂😂. To Bayle anyway.
WHAT DOES AUX MEAN?
Auxiliary effects. So status effects, blackflame etc.
boss is actually really good when you roll and fight at the face, terrible otherwise
Weapon name?
Cleanrot Knight's Sword
this is the most boring way to fight bayle
Yes, it is. Not a good no roll boss
true, kinda ruins the whole fight when it turns into a leg pokefest
being able to dodge the laser without rolling is pretty impressive tho
@@fa_peacock The base of the tail actually takes the same exact damage as the head, so it's almost like they want you to hug its ass
Now we know that Bayle has vulnerable balls. Thank you @@mouseinatutu
They made the presentation and attacks so cool yet the actual boss itself is horrible, such a shame
*loud incorrect buzzer*
Agreed
how is it horrible if you can dodge every attack and everything has great telegraph? even the lasers are easy to dodge lol
Wrong
gg, cleanrot goat?
It's nice. Weak to pierce, need some range. With balls I struggled with hitting him. Pickaxe and a colossal gs with poke r2 were also options I used for a bit, but them being a bit slow and costing a lot of stamina put me in some bad situations.
@@mouseinatutu did you try the dragon hunter great katana or whatever? think it does quite a bit extra damage to dragons but I don't really like gk moveset and not sure if it's worth it tbh
@@LaLunaFrancais I did not, haven't upgraded it. Has bleed though right? Though his resistances are really high so it might not have triggered.
@@mouseinatutu afaik it has bleed yeah, can't remember how much it gets per hit tho
do no rol run please lol
that's what I'm doing
wtf mouse lol
Rude dragon
Thank you for not glazing over this boss like everyone else. Bayle has been quite a dissapointing fight for me, was really expecting something cool like midir but he just has a lot of bad combos and fakeouts.. and punishes for you punishing his misses. And turns out the best way to fight him is sitting at his ass like all the other shit dragon fights in elden ring…. Igon is the only good thing about the actual fight.