Sally was very, very rude. My grandparents *never* would have let me talk like that (mainly because they trained me from toddlerhood to show manners, even when I wasn't happy at all to them).
Kiernan Shipka was about 11 years old on this chapter and she delivered one of the best acting pieces that a child has done in front of a camera on the last 20 years. What a talented girl she is !!!!
Gotta say, it was a wonderful touch to have the actor commentary on set, in costume. Its very surreal to have them speaking about "themselves" in this way that would feel conpletely different if they were on some talk-show in plaindress.
It struck me when Christina Hendricks was speaking that what makes a great actor is the they see the character as real, and as a consequence, we suspend disbelief, and see them as real too.
@@triciajohansen9295 Something I recently learned is that the pendant on Joan's necklace is actually a pen. (A PENdant, you might say!) I also learned that Ms. Hendricks who likes vintage clothing and other items had purchased the necklace/pen and then used it in the TV show. I don't know if the necklace was bought for "Mad Men" or if the actress simply decided on something from her own belongings but it works with the Joan Holloway look and character. I'm something of a pen collector and would like to know if Ms. Hendrick's pen is a fountain pen (probably) and if it still works and if she still wears the necklace!
I can't believe they didn't talk more about Ms. Blankenship in this episode. This episode was hilarious! But also, I hated that they took her out of the show. She was so funny! They could have done so much with her in future episodes. Can you imagine some of the "one liners" she could have made with her "seedy" past? I think they cut Ida Blankenship out way too soon. Kudos to you Randee Heller. You really rocked this role!!
My favorite Blankenship one liner is "this is a business of sadists and masochists and you know which one you are", because in that *exact same episode,* someone suggests to Don that he could get another secretary if he's really that fed up with Blankenship under performing, to which Don replies something along the lines of, "She's the punishment I deserve".
When Don is in the bar, he sees two women. One blonde one brunette, I thought that represented Megan and Betty somehow. The blonde was interested in Don. Then the way Don looked at Megan in the finale looks like he was done with her. That was a hilarious part with Roger lol.
@K A Rachel saw through his bullshit and ended it with him. I think she was the "one" though...the one he really loved. But she deserved better than him, and so did Faye. I was upset at how he dumped Faye like that, but then I realized it was better that it ended sooner rather than later. Better that it ended there before Don had the chance to hurt her more deeply, the way he hurt the two women that he married.
@@andromedastar4900 I recently noted somethings that made me realize why Faye was never going to be good for Don. She was too career oriented and didn't want anything to do with kids. At the same exact time, Megan got along pretty good with Sally. When she throws a tantrum at Don's office, Faye only makes it worse and Sally goes straight to Megan's arms. Don didn't want a female version of him, and that was Faye. They were too alike.
@@charliervrs I think it was mentioned somwhere that Faye represented the commitment of an adult serious relationship, built with time and trust, while Meghan, many years younger than Don, a woman he hardly met, was a childish fantasy of the perfect woman. Don rushed choice showed how he still kept making the same mistakes, how after everything he had been through he still wasn't ready for what a real commitment might bring. He didn't even loved Megan, but the idea of her, which is why the whole marriage went to shit the second she expressed her desires to pursue an acting career and finally shattered this bubble Don had been happily living in (rejecting advertising meant, in a way, rejecting Don, at least that's how he saw it)
Yes he should have! Faye was perfect. As smart as Don... nobody's fool. And she stood with/by him in his greatest crisis (desertion charge scare) , she was genuinely good to and for him. He didn't engage in adultery to be with her, their love could have been clean and good. Class right through! When Don dumped her, that's the moment I stopped rooting for him, stopped hoping for him to be a stand up guy. Goodbye Don, If you end up all alone in the end, you've only yourself to blame. Guys, if you ever find yourself a Faye in real life, don't fool around, marry her. Of course this is all fiction, just a TV show, but the lesson is true all the same.
Watching the whole show for the 3rd time. Except this time I had to buy each season. Netflix took it off. I’m completely fine with it. This is my favorite show ever ever ever. Man it’s so good. If you haven’t seen it, do yourself a favor and watch it allllllll!!!! Im a smoker and bought ashtrays just bc of this show! Amazing. Top 1
the scene with Mrs. Blankenship reminds me of recent news reports where a woman died at her desk at Wells Fargo and no one noticed for 4 days, including a whole weekend. So that sort of thing is still happening.
:14-:32 To be dampened, to be repressed, to recede into the background in an exaltation of the male ego, to be secondary, in thought and in deed. To pronounce men superior in intellect while observing the office pecking order on both sides of gender. To be reminded of the hierarchy and the inability to breach equity. To tread lightly with regard to office politics and navigate amongst office romances, this is mad men
In addition to Joanie and Bets, Rachel Menken and Sylvia Rosen, his neighbor in his apartment near the end of the series. None of the other women compare to these women.
Sorry, I tried to watch, but I simply cannot stomach seeing Matthew Weiner, who is alleged to have ruined Kater Gordon's career, be asked for his opinion on anything
+missy thatsame There's some analysis by the costume designers about why Joan's dresses get more out of style, less sexy and more frumpy. It made sense but I don't remember where to find it other than somewhere on UA-cam.
I find it interesting how many people see her as a feminist. While she fights a lot of sexist barriers at work, I always saw her a self-interested. She's fighting for herself and not some ideals. Its one of the things the show did so well: characters fit with the time period they were in, their actions seem realistic too. They managed to not project current ideals/actions of feminists to the characters. Tho, I feel like mad men reaaaaallly screwed up at race. They couldve done so much more and so much better :/
@@ykMMD I agree, I loved Dawn and Shirley but the writers clearly weren't sure how to tell a story about race. I agree that the views of the white characters are realistic of the time, they never try to write away the racism. At the same time, the small attempts for them to follow Dawn's life didn't really end up anywhere. Unlike the other side characters (Harry, Ken, and later Bob), we didn't get to see any deep revelations of her character. She gets Joan's job, and that's sort of the last we see of her. They make a point to recognize that black people were marginalized in the workplace but then marginalize them in the story as well (compare that to female stories which are obviously given just as much room as the male stories). It's a near perfect show, and that sadly is one of the imperfections.
I disagree with Weiner's premise that somehow 60's women were subjugated to the whims of men and lacked self-determination. Yes, men place women in difficult circumstances they might have chosen to avoid but women do the same thing to men. I think it is feminist hyperbole to think women are always thwarted by men without conceding that men are often thwarted by women, then as now. Men could be more piggish and insensitive then but women find ways to get their revenge, often through emotional blackmail. Most women play on the home court of emotion while most men play on the home court of logic and pity the man who tries to beat women on their home court using logic. It doesn't work.
Wow! Ive never seen it that way and I never will. This comment gosh. Most of the emotional problem men face are rooted in toxic masculinity. I wont reply to the rest of your incoherent word-salad. There are more than enough proofs, research and analysis on the matter that proves you wrong. As if 'emotional blackmail' compares to rape, domestic violence, verbal and physical harrasment in the work place, gaslighting, unequal pay and mediocre men being seen as better than you. Fucking hell.
One of the most heartbreaking things on earth is a truly sad child. Sally (Kiernan Shipka) did an unbelievably great job in this episode
Sally was very, very rude. My grandparents *never* would have let me talk like that (mainly because they trained me from toddlerhood to show manners, even when I wasn't happy at all to them).
Sally’s rudeness in the series is almost always done well with a real point to make behind it so it’s easy to forgive.
@@kafcuzimbored the attitude behind your comment is why children are so poorly behaved.
RonJohn63 don’t get what you mean. Her scenes in this episode were important, especially the ones where she was rude.
@@kafcuzimbored yes, it was important that the actress played a rude child. That does *not* mean that that the character should be forgiven.
Dr. Faye was too pure for this world
Kiernan Shipka was about 11 years old on this chapter and she delivered one of the best acting pieces that a child has done in front of a camera on the last 20 years. What a talented girl she is !!!!
I just realized Faye is mikes mom in stranger things
She’s also Christopher’s wife in the Sopranos
She’s also the Evil Samaritan agent from person of interest
WOAH YOU’RE RIGHT
She’s also the zodiac killer
Michael Sieger Na she was the FBI lady
That goodbye from Sally to her father. The pain, the disconnect, it's palpable.
Gotta say, it was a wonderful touch to have the actor commentary on set, in costume. Its very surreal to have them speaking about "themselves" in this way that would feel conpletely different if they were on some talk-show in plaindress.
It struck me when Christina Hendricks was speaking that what makes a great actor is the they see the character as real, and as a consequence, we suspend disbelief, and see them as real too.
Blonde, Brunette, and Redhead.
...and Miss Blankenship with white hair. Well, it was a wig but still....
Yeesss, I'll take one of each please.
The thick redhead!all day
Joan Holloway is a masterpiece of a woman
She’s fat
Off-topic but the necklace and pendant that Joan wears is her signature piece. I wonder if Christina Hendricks kept that after "Mad Men" ended.
Yes, she did.😎
@@triciajohansen9295 Something I recently learned is that the pendant on Joan's necklace is actually a pen. (A PENdant, you might say!) I also learned that Ms. Hendricks who likes vintage clothing and other items had purchased the necklace/pen and then used it in the TV show. I don't know if the necklace was bought for "Mad Men" or if the actress simply decided on something from her own belongings but it works with the Joan Holloway look and character. I'm something of a pen collector and would like to know if Ms. Hendrick's pen is a fountain pen (probably) and if it still works and if she still wears the necklace!
@@andrewbrendan1579 find out. It sounds like fun.
I can't believe they didn't talk more about Ms. Blankenship in this episode. This episode was hilarious! But also, I hated that they took her out of the show. She was so funny! They could have done so much with her in future episodes. Can you imagine some of the "one liners" she could have made with her "seedy" past? I think they cut Ida Blankenship out way too soon. Kudos to you Randee Heller. You really rocked this role!!
My favorite Blankenship one liner is "this is a business of sadists and masochists and you know which one you are", because in that *exact same episode,* someone suggests to Don that he could get another secretary if he's really that fed up with Blankenship under performing, to which Don replies something along the lines of, "She's the punishment I deserve".
When Don is in the bar, he sees two women. One blonde one brunette, I thought that represented Megan and Betty somehow. The blonde was interested in Don. Then the way Don looked at Megan in the finale looks like he was done with her. That was a hilarious part with Roger lol.
Don should of chose Faye
@K A Rachel saw through his bullshit and ended it with him. I think she was the "one" though...the one he really loved. But she deserved better than him, and so did Faye. I was upset at how he dumped Faye like that, but then I realized it was better that it ended sooner rather than later. Better that it ended there before Don had the chance to hurt her more deeply, the way he hurt the two women that he married.
@@andromedastar4900 I recently noted somethings that made me realize why Faye was never going to be good for Don. She was too career oriented and didn't want anything to do with kids. At the same exact time, Megan got along pretty good with Sally. When she throws a tantrum at Don's office, Faye only makes it worse and Sally goes straight to Megan's arms. Don didn't want a female version of him, and that was Faye. They were too alike.
@@charliervrs I think it was mentioned somwhere that Faye represented the commitment of an adult serious relationship, built with time and trust, while Meghan, many years younger than Don, a woman he hardly met, was a childish fantasy of the perfect woman. Don rushed choice showed how he still kept making the same mistakes, how after everything he had been through he still wasn't ready for what a real commitment might bring. He didn't even loved Megan, but the idea of her, which is why the whole marriage went to shit the second she expressed her desires to pursue an acting career and finally shattered this bubble Don had been happily living in (rejecting advertising meant, in a way, rejecting Don, at least that's how he saw it)
Yes he should have! Faye was perfect. As smart as Don... nobody's fool. And she stood with/by him in his greatest crisis (desertion charge scare) , she was genuinely good to and for him. He didn't engage in adultery to be with her, their love could have been clean and good. Class right through! When Don dumped her, that's the moment I stopped rooting for him, stopped hoping for him to be a stand up guy. Goodbye Don, If you end up all alone in the end, you've only yourself to blame.
Guys, if you ever find yourself a Faye in real life, don't fool around, marry her.
Of course this is all fiction, just a TV show, but the lesson is true all the same.
@K A Rachel Menken, the Jewess? That would *not* have happened.
The best character ever is Mrs. Blankenship she was an astronaut in this show.
I think this episode is where Jimmy McGill finally turns into Heisenberg
three beautiful women, each beautiful in their own way,three went in,only one will come out,and it was going to be her.
Such a great series!
Why didn’t Joan end up with Roger again?
Cause he was an asshole and she deserves better
Watching the whole show for the 3rd time. Except this time I had to buy each season. Netflix took it off. I’m completely fine with it. This is my favorite show ever ever ever. Man it’s so good. If you haven’t seen it, do yourself a favor and watch it allllllll!!!! Im a smoker and bought ashtrays just bc of this show! Amazing. Top 1
Abe says, “It’s nice running into you.” and then he literally runs into her and gets stabbed in his last episode. brilliant! 👏🏽
I really don't think they will...I think them getting together is over
the scene with Mrs. Blankenship reminds me of recent news reports where a woman died at her desk at Wells Fargo and no one noticed for 4 days, including a whole weekend. So that sort of thing is still happening.
I loved Fay, she was lovely
I wonder if Joan and Roger will get together officially in season 6.
“My mother made that!”
Yeah you might be right. I just hope we get more of Joan this season.
I hope so
just noticed how different the actor's american accents are compared to the characters they play. (i'm not american btw lol)
Faye was also kristifuhs wife in sopranos
Eli T : She was also the Hulk’s mom. Imagine giving birth to that.
When it comes to Joan, I feel something. Two things, actually....
ok, I dont often laugh at juvenile, typical horndog male commentary, but that was damn funny friend. Thanks. 😉
True - when 2 people are meant for each other, age is just a number.
and prison is just a building
Yeah you're right my age is 21 and honestly I don't have someone in a new relationship.
:14-:32 To be dampened, to be repressed, to recede into the background in an exaltation of the male ego, to be secondary, in thought and in deed. To pronounce men superior in intellect while observing the office pecking order on both sides of gender. To be reminded of the hierarchy and the inability to breach equity. To tread lightly with regard to office politics and navigate amongst office romances, this is mad men
Marsha Creary but things were changing and they couldn't stop it.
In addition to Joanie and Bets, Rachel Menken and Sylvia Rosen, his neighbor in his apartment near the end of the series. None of the other women compare to these women.
Exactly women have been held down for real
1:00 awkward!
'I made breakfast!"
I just realized Faye is Christopher’s wife in the Sopranos.
No she isnt
@@aZeddPrattFilm she is
Yes! And from Stranger Things
Whoa! Sabrina was casting spells back then ? But where's her black cat ?
Clairol commercial blasts the eardrums!!!
God I fucking loved this show
Sorry, I tried to watch, but I simply cannot stomach seeing Matthew Weiner, who is alleged to have ruined Kater Gordon's career, be asked for his opinion on anything
This is his show though written and directed
what did he do?
A woman: dies
The rest of the office: has an midlife crisis but doesn’t call an ambulance
....the ending, lmfao
I think she has her hands full with one baby.
Man I can't wait for season 5!
Oh wait....... God dammit youtube! Ya did it again
what's up steph nuggs?
@@chumbyvids sup brotendo
From L to R: L looks likes the door guard on Wizard of Oz. M looks like a African Grey parrot. R looks like the bird man from Neverending Story.
It's Mrs Wheeler!
I love this show but..The purplish dress Joan is wearing is dreadful.She has much better taste then that.Well,I'd think the costumers would.
+missy thatsame There's some analysis by the costume designers about why Joan's dresses get more out of style, less sexy and more frumpy. It made sense but I don't remember where to find it other than somewhere on UA-cam.
That really does make sense.She may have given up on attracting men because she was smarter then she even thought.
That coral dress she wore on the previous day was nice.
I'm attentive
What in the season finale makes you think that way? I Just remember Roger dropping acid, but maybe I missed something.
I couldn't stand Abe. Peggy was too good for him.
Really? What makes you think that? After seeing the the fifth season finale it looks like it might be possible.
"Most of the things they can't do, I can't do either?" Peggy would definitely be saying All Lives Matter today.
lmaoooo
I find it interesting how many people see her as a feminist. While she fights a lot of sexist barriers at work, I always saw her a self-interested. She's fighting for herself and not some ideals. Its one of the things the show did so well: characters fit with the time period they were in, their actions seem realistic too. They managed to not project current ideals/actions of feminists to the characters. Tho, I feel like mad men reaaaaallly screwed up at race. They couldve done so much more and so much better :/
@@ykMMD I agree, I loved Dawn and Shirley but the writers clearly weren't sure how to tell a story about race. I agree that the views of the white characters are realistic of the time, they never try to write away the racism. At the same time, the small attempts for them to follow Dawn's life didn't really end up anywhere. Unlike the other side characters (Harry, Ken, and later Bob), we didn't get to see any deep revelations of her character. She gets Joan's job, and that's sort of the last we see of her. They make a point to recognize that black people were marginalized in the workplace but then marginalize them in the story as well (compare that to female stories which are obviously given just as much room as the male stories). It's a near perfect show, and that sadly is one of the imperfections.
lover??
Kiernan Shipka is the saddest role I've ever seen, awful parenting.
Lol I guess that would be too predictable anyway.
yeaaaaaaaaaaa
Peggys a -3
Matt Weiner said that Sally has tried to be many roles to Don including….lover?! Holy gross
ha ha
I still wish Don would have married Faye. Class act! I hated Megan, such a horse teeth phony! Miss Blankenship was a hoot! Joan and Peggy are dears.
The redhead is so feminine - very good for the eyes 🤗😂🐳
What about the 666 in this episode?
hahahaha someone is looking really far into this
Joan and the doctor are beautiful, but Peggy?
What a stupid title.
bum
Peggy was NOT a pretty girl
"The beautiful girls"? Elizabeth Moss? Okay.
I disagree with Weiner's premise that somehow 60's women were subjugated to the whims of men and lacked self-determination. Yes, men place women in difficult circumstances they might have chosen to avoid but women do the same thing to men. I think it is feminist hyperbole to think women are always thwarted by men without conceding that men are often thwarted by women, then as now. Men could be more piggish and insensitive then but women find ways to get their revenge, often through emotional blackmail. Most women play on the home court of emotion while most men play on the home court of logic and pity the man who tries to beat women on their home court using logic. It doesn't work.
Wow! Ive never seen it that way and I never will.
This comment gosh.
Most of the emotional problem men face are rooted in toxic masculinity.
I wont reply to the rest of your incoherent word-salad. There are more than enough proofs, research and analysis on the matter that proves you wrong.
As if 'emotional blackmail' compares to rape, domestic violence, verbal and physical harrasment in the work place, gaslighting, unequal pay and mediocre men being seen as better than you. Fucking hell.
Why would a man beat a woman in the first place? Your thinking would place you in prison....
Lol. With all due respect.
What does Matthew Weiner know about women? Seriously.