Listening to Frank Zappa: Joe's Garage: Act 2, Side 2
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Ok.... here goes Act 2, Side 2!!!
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Zappa's solo on this side is out of this world great.
Metaphor for the music business... That's next: "Packard Goose".
Poor Joe, indeed, because "keep it greasy" is actually a beast of a track.
You wouldn't think it,but this album features one of Zappa's most beautiful instrumentals in "Watermelon in Easter Hay" in Act III.
Oh yeah, waiting for act III and watermelon in easter hay so much!
Colaiuta's 19/16 improvisation on Keep It Greasey is insane...
Totally!!! Blows my mind as to how it's humanly possible, Vinnie is simply the greatest ever!!
Vinnie Colaiuta explains Frank Zappa's "Keep it Greasy"
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@@nonkerdandy991 Vinnie is everyone's best drummer , Sting , Jeff Beck and so on
@@nonkerdandy991 And actually not the best fit for Frank. Bozzio was better for frank. Colaiuta is better off with return to forever or john McLaughlin.He uses too many inhuman polyrhythms that made frank sound too sloppy and an irritating off beat.And his style ws too jazzy for a rock fiend like Frank, when he gets down and dirty.
First it is not really improvised but played as demanded on this one, then previous comment on interaction between Frank and Vinnie is just crazy considering all other improvisations from that era between them (just listen to « Return of the son of SUAPYG» as an example). Just a matter of taste...
One major influence on this album was the 1979 revolution in Iran, after which, pop music was banned in that particular country...
"Lube from the north"... And then the band breaks into a two second section of "Midnight Sun", by Lionel Hampton & Sonny Burke.
What a cultural reference!
Side 2 is polyrhythmic, with amazing solo work by Frank, being backed by one of the most technically brilliant of his bass players, Arthur "Tink" Barrow.
Arthur has some you tube videos with North Texas college students playing Zappa music… It is quite good check it out !
Tink walkes amok!!!
All backed by Vinnie
Hi, it’s me again! The centtttttalised scrutiniser. Nice for you to reply from two years ago yesterday!
Anyway - regarding alarming prison experiences: whilst certainly a metaphor for the music industry, there may an element of reportage. In the sixties Zappa did some prison time for his part in making illegal pornography - he did the soundtrack, not shoot or appear in the film but I expect being a long haired freak on a porn charge didn’t go well in the showers.
Joe's Garage was originally released as a single album and then the double album followed a few months later. I LOVED the first two sides of Joe's Garage but didn't care for the double album much, but it just needed a few more listens to appreciate. Just a lot to take in. Even if you don't like his humor there is a lot of great music.
I love watching or knowing person's who spend the time to get it and then start exploring it . Nothing like the diversity of FZ'S music.
Happy to see you got back to this.... what could I possibly offer as commentary? Nothing. The MUSIC speaks for itself.
As for the lyrics? Crude? Yes . Satire? Absolutely. And definitely focused exactly at the music industry. You nailed it.
Keep It Greasy - I held a chair on my local planning board for 3 years and the gent sitting next to me was also a Zappa fan - as you might imagine, we burned and traded many CDs of live sows, etc. Eventually I gave up my seat, but he continued to run for his chair. Now, every election day I see him glad-handing before the election, and every time he vocalizes the caveat "keep it greasy!" Referring, of course, to voting in the U.S.
(Also, your comment wrt Zappa's label, he had his own studio. AND, Rush's 2112 (pronounced twenty-one twelve) is also a BIG F/U to *their* record company, and got them their freedom to produce whatever they wanted from hence forward!)
I don't listen to Joe's Garage much, not my cup of tea, but something to keep in mind is that Frank was always about entertaining himself. If others liked what he produced, he saw that as a bonus. He also didn't expect even his fans to like everything he put out or that of what he called his "alternate entertainment."
I think some time back in the 90's or early 2000's somebody did this as a "Rock Opera" in a full blown stage production. It's a work that needs to be taken as a whole, as there is a definite story being told, and yes, there is an autobiographical aspect to it. Frank did not like the "business" part of the music business, and when you make it to Packard Goose you will find out exactly how he felt about the so called music "press."
It's like painting "de nachtwacht" in three days with all the little details, to it's fullest glory And to top it of, throw a wrench straight thru.. That's Zappa to me and i love it to pieces.
Absolutely brilliant writing 😁
The music is incredible.
G’dam! I forgot how
Prog-Greasive ™️
That track was!
40 years later, It made a lot more sense, musically ❤️👍
The transition from keeping it grease to outside now is brilliant.
He gave Warner's three albums to get out of a bad deal. They got them in one week or so and he put two fingers up and set up Zappa Records.
I think FZ used all these dissonant points and obscene lyrics, except that he likes them, to provoke the listener and to test the real fans of this music - meaning, whoever likes this wouldn't mind that. And I think you finally got to this point, man. Thanks for commenting on this incredible music, you are right on!
You know, Bobby Brown Goes Down was actually a major dance floor- and radio hit. In Sweden 😁
watching you react while I know what’s next is making me laugh
I now subscribed on a different device and I do hope that act three will come one of these days, because you are still in for a treat; there are still spectacular things to come. Mark my words
It will 👍🏼
It is also about all the people wanting to censor the music at that time
Lyrics was just an instrument and the blunt was to downtake the seriousness off it and to make you think...and you did....
Thank you Jim allways a pleasure with companion on the ride.
See you in act 3!
How about making a 5.1 version of Joes Garage. There are so much going on here.
It's funny that you mention Grease. Grease, the original musical, was way more controversial and raunchy than the movie version. It was heavily sanitized and turned into the saccharine product we all know.
We need the grand finale
Soon 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Frank was never played on the radio in the 70s and 80's. They didn't get it. Only Zappa listeners got it.
Nonsense
Hey Jim! Never tried to understand what was in Frank's mind. I just know the music was incredible!🔈🔉🔊😎
He started with MGM Records in '66. When he had the Bizarre Records label it was distributed by Warner Bros. If I remember correctly, at different times he ended up suing both. interesting story he told- he alleged that John Lennon ripped of a song of his that they'd played in a jam together in NYC- Lennon and Yoko put out the track on their live album - "Sometime in New York City" . JamRag + I think they called it. Zappa says it's his tune "King Kong". Zappa never sued but it seemed to make him even more bitter about the Beatles- who he was never a fsn of anyway. But Lennon and Yoko were Zappa fans. Btw, so is Jon Anderson.
Really hope you finish off this album! Act 3 is worth it especially while some of the themes are still with you.
listen to the Yellow Shark and you will get your answer.
From now on you will hear lots of xenochrony work. Solos in both Keep It Greasy and Outside Now were taken from live shows, and were originally soloed over completely different tracks (one of them was Inca Roads as far as I remember). Now, I'm not sure if Frank simply pasted these over the backing track, or was the backing track actually recorded over the sole guitar track. My bet is that Keep it Greasy is done the first way, while Outside Now the latter.
Anyway, theye are soooo enjoyable. And more are there to come in Act III.
Looking forward to act 3 part 1 and 2
Soon 👍🏼
I don't know if Olivia Newton John would be able to play the guitar like FZ and Vini Coalutta would have made the Grease soundtrack harder to dance to.
Hmmm. Musicians knocking the music industry? P'haps time for a full listen to "The Shaming of the True" by Kevin Gilbert - the sorry story of Johnny Virgo, as his star rises and falls :) A great rock opera, likely unavailable on vinyl except at silly prices - a rare "must listen".
Great reaction!
Listening to psychedelia? We have entered into the twilight realm of his own secret thoughts...
Zappa's Dad was a Nuclear Scientist, which explains a lot.
Not!
@@similimum66 His Dad worked at the Edgewood Chemical Warfare Facility, look it up.
Frank been arrested once and this one of this song is about this dreadful experience in jail. He was innocent. Police arrested him without any proof.
This led to his healthy lifetime distrust of authorities, especially those that abuse their power.....my sentiments exactly. His endless social commentary in his lyric are to poke at the foibles of modern society.
This part of Joe's garage is a quickly thrown together jumble of stuff mainly to fulfill the WB contract, big FU,...and walk.
Not my favorite as it doesn't represent the depth that Franks mind is capable of...even Frank must know it's not really his best
Bass player is Arthur Barrow =)
Yup its an autobiography of his dealings with the imdustry and censorship
I can't wait to see your reaction to part III 😊
I presume you bought (not hired or something) this album. You will like it even more, more and more with every next listening. Thank you! Enjoy!
He was set up by the industry and faught against it with brilliance and opinion
Like a good Capricorn, Frank hopped on up to get the highest view, then sang about what he witnessed on the way up. In some ways, Frank was a welcome dose of Bathos after the serious and profound music, mostly in your country, by progressive masters. The music is jocularly progressive, but the lyrics are, as with the guitar notes, there to irritate an executive kind of guy, somewhere along the way. Some bands diverged from the progressive mentality by being as bad as possible on every level. Maximum regression. Some of that was welcome and cool. Frank always evolved musically. Cute ass.
Zappa works on Tuesday, too! The narrator thing in the beginning reminds me of Queens of the Stone Age's album Songs for the Deaf.
Hello! I'm watching this video live at the movie theater, while waiting for said-movie and eating bacon poutine
Music : don’t talk
Reaction video - please talk!
Act III is by far the best part in my opinion. 3/4 tracks in Act III are my top 3 favorite tracks on the album. Easily the most progressive heavy moment on the album.
The final three make the whole album
escepcional frank
Your closing summation is fine and I don't think FZ would have minded the comparison with 'Grease' even - this is a cheesy high school musical (some high school kids did it - available on U-Toob somewhere - as such with special guest Ike Willis). There is an important miss here, though.
FZ's beef was the hypocrisy around - 'why is it ok for the Village People or, the Broadway musical gang to sing these about these things, but when I do it the controversy gets before the music?' (to roughly paraphrase). When this first came out FZ's reputation was more as an outrageous musician/smut-merchant/comedian than the 'all around musical genius and good (if sometimes annoying/crude) guy' we know today. And so, the cautionary tale behind the mask of Joe was a little more caustic and on the button, way back when. You can miss that today.
Anyhow - good job. Look forward to the next one!
Thanks for watching
Vinnie is redicoulis on this.
Have fun,
See you next time.
Ever heard of Amethystium? Right at your alley on synthesizer music.
19/16 cuz why not? It's only three 16th notes more than 4/4. You're right about the music biz allegory. Frank didn't have a great time with record execs, especially Warner Bros. It's also about censorship which Frank went on to fight against with the Mothers of Prevention aka Tipper Gore.The lyrics are really pretty dumb and puerile for the most part. It's okay not to like them. I could do without most of them myself and I'm about as politically incorrect as you can get.
I sold my original vinyl copy of this at a yard sale in 1991. 😭
Okay, I tried but I can't do it. LOL
I'll be back for whenever and whatever is next. 😁
Act III 😁
Joes Garage was half-speed recorded, CD audio is there for even better =)
Actually it was half speed mastered... And Zappa didn't like it and never did it again... He felt that any low frequency information lower than 40 hz was lost in the process...
That is what I meant =)
Nuff said.
You suggested that Frank 'sabotaged' himself. I don't know what metric you use to measure success. perhaps he should've bought himself a yacht and recorded music for that market. he would've been rich and the world would be without this contribution.
Warner bros and it was sa bad relationship.
Don't really get it: you say that the music is similar to a musical like Grease and that it's much the controversial lyrics that makes it special. So, since You absolutely love this album, do you love Grease as much or is it the lyrics in this that makes it for you?....
It wasn't noticed. Other than FZ followers. Never played on the mainstream. To much extra.
Jim Jim Jim, you still dont get Zappa, the music you like but the lyrics are uncomfortable for you, for fuq sake he’s writing about what he sees on tour in the studio and everything else that goes on in his world, not 🎶I love you, I love you, I love you🎶, he’s telling you how it is, not watered down shite.
How many airports do you think he’s seen, (The white section is for unloading) and if you think it’s changed your a very scary guy, its worse, i bet you go to church, lol the Mudshark thing actually happened with Vanilla Fudge ,Zeppelin and the Mothers, look it up, that one will grow hair on your head, Peaches as in Peaches En Regalia is an actual person crossing the road in a great dress , and most of his music is about record company exploitation and we know what executives say to little girls in record or film , don’t we Jim
I agree it's an uncomfortable listen first time around, you get the music and it's addictive but this really was a warning to those who choose a career in music. The time this came out big bands such as Ac/Dc, Ozzy, Ted Nugent, Aeorosmith, Priest, Kiss, Styx, the list goes on and on were all listening to this on their tour buses, this was their lives coming into industrial towns with the girls, the managers and record execs that were exploiting them. Frank is telling/showing you a glimps into the music world. He doesn't sugarcoat, he has no embarrassment, and when you come back to this album, you won't too. Some people think it's juvanile in lyrics, but ask any touring musician, this really was a masterpiece in musicainship and the art of telling it like it is. Zappa was a genius.
I’m just not into Zappa. This is not captivating for me.. passed on it at 2 mins. Comedy juvenile lyrics and not that great music. Sorry
Get it. Don't know what your jam is, but just try this one. A completely different instrumental.
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Yeah it's junk for juvenile minds.
@@retroradio2277 The music?...
@@progperljungman8218 The lyrics mainly. The music is technically impressive but not enjoyable to listen to...for me.
@@retroradio2277 Well he did loads of instrumental stuff and of very varied kind. I don't really know a fan who loves it all...