Canucks Reportedly Set to Buyout Ekman-Larsson
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- This is an expensive buyout and will affect the team for a long time to come.
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This is a prime example of Jim Benning masterclass.
It’s just Benning doing gods work. I don’t see a problem 😉
Another homerun(s) is trading away picks when you (Benning) are decent at the draft...LoL
@@mannyoliveira776You make sense
Its astounding how pathetically bad of a GM he was. It's almost like he was intentionally trying to sabotage this franchise.
Yeah yeah. Benning never wrote one max contract. Look at the sharks. Wanker
Dumped Roussel, Eriksson, and Beagle, whose contracts were a year from expiring to add OEL. And here we are now. A Jim Benning masterclass.
Benning definitely failed the marshmallow test as a kid.
😎
The trade would've been better if the Canucks were cup contenders but alas the Canucks are not cup contenders.
It’s unbelievable. It’s so hard being a fan of this team. I’m 43 and was born a fan and if that wasn’t the case I’d walk away. Just at the point of no return sadly.
Hands down one of the stupidest trades in modern history
Being a Canucks fan makes me want to consider heavy drinking as a career.
You could probably add forward depth while you're at it.
Imagine being a Leaf fan. 😂😂😂
I never knew how bad the Vancouver front off is prior to THG
OP's liver: _I'm in trouble._
Don't forgot adding a heavy cannabis smoker too.
You can always count on Shannon's delivery of "Welcome back" to get a sense of how the video is going to go
His "welcome back"s are truly iconic
@@ayosnack1607soMeone needs to make a “welcome back” compilation. And also a Hockey Guy AI voice
No one is EVER allowed to try and justify Benning's time in Vancouver. Absolute masterclass in overpaying, doubling down on poor assets and mortgaging the future for middling results. Aqualini has only himself to blame for giving Benning enough rope to hang the franchise.
Man I STILL have friends saying "oh we couldn't have known..". Who at the time of the trade were so very excited about this trade. I was incredibly hesitant that we'd have another loui eriksson case on our hands. And now here we are and after this announcement THEY'RE STILL defensive about the whole thing lol. Pisses me off.
Vancouver better hopes JR knows what he’s doing…. I’m just saying. There’s a reason why he stepped down in Pittsburgh
Yeah yeah tosser. He was bad but just average bad. He never wrote 1 max contract.
@@samuelfrick3475 He's terrible. Jim Rutherfraud has a worse contraxt history than Benning
he did great things for teams that he traded with
At this point I'm convinced that the Canucks is just a front for some odd money laundry operation
With the Aqua's you may not be wrong....
You could say the same about Arizona.
@@leftcoaster67💯
That's the only explanation for the last decade that makes any sense at all.
@@seanragsdale5636 (Insert Spidermen pointing at each other meme here)
Trade the 11th overall pick for Seth Jones - let the cycle continue.
Don't give the Canucks any ideas.
*Do it*
The cycle is a vicious one.
I use this cycle to wash and dry my clothes in 30 seconds. Scary power.
I almost chocked on my own spit laughing at this!
THG says he doesn't expect the Canucks to win a Cup in his lifetime. I'm in my mid-twenties and am starting to believe the same thing.
I am in my twenties as well and I don't see a scenario where they win a Cup in my lifetime either.
I'd settle for some recurring playoff runs
Exactly my thoughts when the trade happened. We were only ONE year away from cap space flexibility/freedom. Canucks dug themselves a bigger hole via this trade.
I've almost paid off my debt! Time to go shopping!
Canucks
kickin' the can down the road
Benning was trying to save his job.
@@acalisal (he failed)
@@acalisalyes. He couldn't care less about 4 years later, he only cared about next season. This is our problem We constantly look at next year like we are in the running for the Presidents cup. We need to give someone some job security and create a five-year plan instead of kicking the problem to the next year like we always do. It's not like it's worked out. We've had one playoff appearance in recent times, And because it was a successful one, we still think we're on the cusp. You look at a team like Florida and you think hey all we got to do is make the playoffs and anything can happen. We need to quit thinking short-term every single year.
Canadian GM's try not to sign and/or trade for franchise destroying contracts challenge (impossible)
Habs win
@@HayDay-cu9lzI mean Bergevin failed pretty miserably. I'll admit Hughes has been good so far, but he's also only been at it a little over a year lol
Senators win...
@@misterritter9854 you misspelled Wughes
@@misterritter9854 Went Wughes
Please do the terrible Vancouver trades and contracts video so we can show our team suffering through terrible GMs to the other fanbases.
I would love to see this video, just out of curiosity and a desire to understand why the Canucks are the way they are
I started cheering for this team in the 80s. Back then it felt like we were supposed to lose, like that was our place in the league. The last 10 years have made me feel that way again.
The lack of patience to wait ONE MORE YEAR for 3 contracts to be off the books to give away a 1st round TOP TEN pick to create MORE cap issues for the next several years is a fucking joke. And they didnt even make playoffs in the following year anyways.
Year 3 & 4 of this buyout are brutal 😮
still better than paying that original contract
Probably the best coyotes trade ever
@@MaverickWall238 if the canucks don't make the playoffs this coming season and have a chance... No it is not better then paying is contract. It just means more dead cap for longer for a team that is still a bit from contending. After next offseason, they resign Petey and Hronek, then you can do this buyout as you really know how much cap you have plus with Myers off the books you have a big chance to reshape the D core.
4 million isn’t brutal not great but 2 years of 4 million isn’t really much in this day and age of hockey
5, 6, 7, 8 aren't that bad
« Feels like he’s sign for cheap in tampa bay, play in the bottom 2, and win a Stanley cup…. ANYWAY »
Shannon never fails to make me laugh with his subtle sarcasm 😂
He's probably right; when a player is mid-way through a comfortable contract, he isn't as driven. OEL is going to have to prove himself now that he is bought out, he doesn't need money with 20 Mil cheque in the mail, so he signs a low bridge deal on a team of his choice to up his value before the cap is raised.
That Dylan guenther trade lookin sweeeeet😂😂🥴
if this team would just admit they need a rebuild we wouldn't have this. I feel bad for Vancouver fans. The impatience of management and ownership kills this franchise every time.
For a franchise thats entire history is covered in disasters, this has been an all time disaster, short term BS leading to long term damages over and over again and they keep doubling down on it
Except this isn’t that lol
Therapists and bar owners must be rich folk in Vancouver.
Honestly it's probably a good move. If we buy him out, the highest his cap hit will be is just over 4 million as opposed to 7 million. We should be able to get a defenseman of equal or higher calibre for under 3 million. It just sucks that we're even in this situation.
This is the best arguement I've seen for it thus far and the logic does make sense. However it's never good to have dead cap space like that especially when everyone else in the league is able to spend in full to the cap around you. I like the glass half full outlook on it though, I just worry about the future, 7 years later from now, in a growing market that will have other teams able to offer stars more then the Canucks may be able to. If they can lock up Elias for 8 years to get beyond this Buyout, then I will feel better about it. But man... 7 years is a long time to have cap restrictions due to buyouts.
It does make sense but it also cripples an already weak team for nearly a decade.
Still won’t help when Petterson will walk in two years. This team is terrible on defense and have no prospects on D to help remedy that. They have no cap space to improve via FA. This team is simply not good enough and is bound to take a rebuild if started now 3-4 years into a 7-8 year rebuild.
@@chadthornsberry1342well an unnecessary rebuild ain’t a good plan or a plan at all
The other part to this is upcoming contracts…. Hronek makes 4.4 in the last year as a RFA…. Hronek is already playing and producing at a higher level than OEL was this past year for the Canucks.. This is just 1 player that would gain leverage in negotiations with the team having OEL at that ridiculous salary.
One of the big selling points for bringing OEL to Vancouver was getting him a fresh start away from the head coach in Arizona. Then the Canucks management brought in the head coach he was escaping. I thought we might get a couple half-decent years from OEL before he became the gift that kept on giving for angry Canucks Twitter. Kind of strange that we gave up a 1st round draft pick if Arizona were only retaining a small amount of salary though.
Not strange, just Jim Benning masterclass.
That head coach?
RICK FUCKING TOCCHET
He was better than Risto that season so at least there’s that.
It seems like they thought the players going to arizona were a wash for oel and then the 1st and 2nd were for garland. I just cant believe how badly we got duped to think arizona was doing us any kind of a favour to take those expiring contracts off our books.
I was screaming in anger at the top of my lungs when Conman Benning did this trade. He did that trade to save his job and sunk the franchise. Aqualini gets the same blame for this trainwreck.
tell me your GM is Jim Benning without telling me your GM is Jim Benning
One of those trades that many of us could foresaw the result from a mile away, on day #1. The original plan might have been to trade OEL away right after that 1 playoff run. But OEL quickly became untradable because of his contract. So we took on another team's salary dump, but yet WE LOSE a 1st round pick (LOLWUT?). And then, now in 2023, we are thinking of doing a salary dump ourselves to the Blackhawks, and for that we will have to LOSE another 1st round pick for nothing. This terrible trade really is legendary. It is so beyond tragic, it becomes a comedy.
Jim Benning is still haunting this team even after he has left.
The terrible thing is they are going to spend the money on expensive contracts to fill out the roster.
Lucic is available
@@ronh2660 Hee Hee Hee
Rick Tocchet killed OELs production in Arizona, and his mother's death killed his joy of the game. Truly sad for a player that put up 55 pts in 15-16 (when Tippett was coach).
OEL was terrible at Arizona and showing huge decline before Vancouver traded for him. This will haunt them for years. I love it.
What a mess. If we would have just waited one year we would have had those 3 contracts we sent to Arizona off our books and would have had Dylan Guenther. Now we have this. Thanks Jim
vancouver treated those covid years like the most important seasons in the world.. they should have approached them as free rebuild years to stink, to improve the core. they could have been where buffalo is right now, a bright future with a healthy cap situation and a few good prospects.
Don't jynx it, both franchises are historically mismanaged and every time you think it's going well it doesn't.
Can’t wait for the inevitable conversation in 2027: Vancouver can’t re-sign Quinn Hughes, OEL buyout STILL looms largely over the team’s financial status.
Why worry about eternal damnation in the depths of Hell? Being a Canucks fan, we already live there😂
Reminds me of luongo... Oh boy...
Some casual take
Hughes going to NJ anyway
Retooling on the fly has cost Aqua more money than rebuilding properly lol
When Benning first came in was the right time with the core they have now you don’t do a rebuild unless setting the organization back even more so then Benning is the plan
Aqua just has to sell a lot more condos and blueberries
Shannon hearing this news: Ok, but the Canucks still have No Money.
JR: Hold my Drink!!
The first year I was a Canucks fan was 2020. What a let down since then...
I've been a fan since DAY 1 in 1970...get to the back of the "Let Down Line"...lol
My wife’s friend lives in Vancouver and she has a baby that’s less than one year old. I was so against signing her up for a potential life of disappointment that I got her a baby Jack Hughes jersey.
I hated the Canucks my whole life until Hughes showed up. Guy will be a Devil in a matter of no time.
My condolences.
I was born on the night that the Canucks lost Game 1 in OT to the Islanders in the Stanley Cup finals. (My mom remembers the doctor kept running off to check the game.)
Being a fan has not gotten easier since then.
When Jim Benning left, we thought the bad contracts would end. Then they signed JT Miller for 7 years at $8 million at 30 years old. So they’ve given up on ever being a contender, clearly, and now they just want the revenue from 2 home playoff games.
I have a hard time understanding non playoff teams that get themselves into cap issues. Who do they feel so compelled to pay when they obviously aren't good enough to get into the playoffs??? Maybe it's just me who never understands these things LOL
This was the best possible thing vancouver could do. OEL was playing like a 7th dman taking top 4 mins from other players who deserved a chance in those roles, now you can give rathbone, woo, and other players in the farm team a chance to earn a top 4 role.
Can you do a video explaining some of the lesser known mechanisms in the cap world? I didn't know until today that there are retained salary slots. I still don't really get how teams can accrue cap space. I'm sure there's some other aspects I've never thought/heard of
He did do one only yesterday.
Benning masterclass
The Canucks dumpster keeps on burning. It's truly a beacon in the darkness.
Any chance the Canucks would be willing to fork over a few mil to me to not play for them this season?? I'd be happy to do it.
Looking at this today you would think that Arizona gave a high draft pick to Vancouver to take that contract but nope, Vancouver gave a 9th overall pick
It's almost like Arizona is smart or something..
And a 2nd and a 7th. Its such a baffling trade. Arizona must have just kept asking for stuff and benning just kept saying yes.
The Canucks are like a robot that makes a mess in front of them and then has a scooper behind them to clean up but they only clean like 50% of it each time...A lot of filth trails their endless poor signing decisions and trades.
As ugly as this buyout is, I think this was probably the best move for the team. They had to do something, and it was becoming clear that trying to negotiate a trade for one (or more) of the “usual suspects“ would involve giving up more assets and/or retaining salary, which would be ugly as well. Now it’s just a matter of how they manage the wriggle room that this move gives them. Fingers crossed.
Saw this coming, but nothing prepares you for when it happens... this is going to hurt
Seems like a short sighted move. A buyout next offseason has a much better outlook
Yeah, I have no idea what they're trying to achieve short term.
Didn’t THG said Van would be over cap for 2023-24 without buyout?
@@RandomPlaceHolderName they wanna pull a leafs and ice a semi decent team to bring in steady profits
@@olith9512 You could move some guys. I just don't see the Canucks competing much.
Idk man. Felt like they had to bite the bullet sooner than later.
This makes a ton of sense. We get out of the 23/24 cap crunch, and when the penalty starts to actually kick in 24/25, you have Myers, Pearson and Beauvilier off the books. The key will be to use this cap space to retain on Beauvilier and get an asset in return. Or even retain on Myers and maybe even get an asset. Space will be eaten up in 24/25 with Peterson and Hronek getting new deals.
Just for the love of god, leave yourself some cap room so we can be a landing spot for someone in trouble. Also, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not go and trade for Seth Jones.
Hey, Will there be a panic index before or after the draft? Thanks for the great work.
Remember when OEL was a top pair stud on Arizona's blueline? What happened? I hope he bounces back.
Thats some expensive penalties, reminds me of Chiarreli with Lucic.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Ekman-Larsson went to Boston. They were the only other team on his trade list when he was in Arizona.
The Bruins have less than 5 million in cap space and need to either re-sign or replace Krejci and Bergeron.
OEL needs to just retire
@@TheHockeyGuythey’re still going to need extremely cheap bodies to fill out the roster though
Tell any GM on a 2 year deal that if they can make a move than hurts them in 5 years but helps them in the next two. Almost all of them take that move.
Blame ownership
Now that’s what we call a classic Canucks move.
As a Coyotes fan living with a female Canucks fan I can now confirm my bed is on the lawn. 😉
Canucks fans' true emotions can easily be summarized by using these simple steps on a computer: 1) press play on this video. 2) spam the left arrow key.
Just seems like I’m seeing these strangling contracts more and more in both the NHL and NBA. I have it with the Flyers and the Sixers.
And taking a 4 year dilemma and turning it into 8 is absurd. Gotta bite the bullet for four years. At least you have a body.
It probably depends on if you think the Canucks would make the playoffs next season. If not, then the play might have been to just keep Ekman-Larsson for one more season, open up cap space with other deals, get another lottery pick and THEN buy him out with 6 years of penalties instead of 8 - but they were going to have to buy him out sooner or later.
Your argument is sensible. But the Aquilinis NEVER accept the idea of missing the playoffs. According to them the team will make the playoffs every year. No matter what. So they're going to plan to make the playoffs next year, but they won't. Of course not. They just don't have the the players.
Good prediction! He did win the cup :)
You just know they’re gonna use that space to sign Kerfoot, Holl and Bunting
Lol, they are not staying in Toronto for a reason but hey welcome to canucks
And they'll throw pick 11 in as a sweetener 🤦♂️😂
One step forward, two steps the length of Highway 97 back.
OEL going to Tampa Bay and winning a cup sounds pretty good to me.
Sign me up for that
remember when you try to troll and pick vegas to win the stanly cup in 2023? .(3 years ago: 100% Serious and Accurate Cup Winner Predictions Through 2040).
How did the coyotes get wrapped up in this?
Because they retained some salary?
Yep
They lose a retained salary slot for 8 years because of this
@@TheHockeyGuy
Can’t Arizona just say “we want to keep the original deal”
What ever they had agreed to keep instead of spreading it out?
Hard to wrap my head around how bad the OEL trade was, but this was also team that was over the cap after comfortably missing the playoffs.
Has there been a video of the top worst trades in NHL history on this channel? It would be a good one if there isnt
Don't blame Benning for following Aquillinis directives. Ownership has almost always been the weak link in the canucks franchise. The past decade has been worst than most.
Maybe they should just poll the season ticket holders: do you want us to makes moves that increase our odds of making the playoffs next year, but come at a major price longer term, or make moves that are better long term but will make it likely that we will miss the playoffs again? Surely people with skin in the game, but a little more perspective, would give the right answer.
This move is better for the long term 2 years of 4 million another 4 paying 7 million with our backs against the wall
Yotes be like...
"FUCK"
I 100% guarantee Frank Aquilini was behind the trade for OEL. That move made no sense in the least, unless you are just trying for a round of playoff revenue. That is Frankie's jam. The short sightedness of that deal was stunning. Everyone, and I mean everyone other than Frankie and Benning could see this coming. 1 more year, 1 more, that's all it was going to be. But no, Frankie wanted that 1 round of playoff revenue.
The Cam Neely (+ Glen Wesley) trade was definitely worse than this. The only reason the OEL trade comes close is because of the cap. But the cap exists because you have teams in markets that either shouldn’t be there or shouldn’t exist at all. They should raise the cap floor if anything and if you can’t afford to ice a competitive team, you’re SOL and JWF.
Lesson here. Dont sign players into there late 30s. Trade miller now before his contract kicks in. It will be the same story in a few years
The Canucks have screwed themselves. This team cannot win or compete for a cup as currently comprised. They need to trade Petterson while they still have leverage to get an outstanding return. That Miller contract is an albatross. They will get 3 -4 good years from him before it goes bad. Realistically, the Canucks won’t be any good for at least 3years and to top it all off, Petterson can walk in two years. Same as Boeser. They need to rebuild and this would be a great draft to start that.
You don’t know how buyouts work do you
I'm glad you said it Shannon, OEL will be fine in Tampa
Retire OEL's jersey at Canucks' season opener with OEL and his family there. We are all Canucks!
The best thing they could have done....... They were never going to win with him...... Cap will go up every year and Myers off books (6mil)......FINALLY
Jim just keeps on giving us such amazing gifts.
Why do I feel like I am the air traffic controller from Airplane every time Vancouver makes a change to a contract ... "Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit barbiturates"
I have a couple of questions regarding contract but outs.
1. Do teams buyout the entire amount of the contract or is it reduced by the escrow amount each season? For example, if a 30 year old player is owed $27 million over 3 years do they pay the player $18 million (2/3 of contract) or do they pay $18 million less escrow or the full $18 million. If escrow is at 10% each year that would be an additional $1.8 million in cap savings over 6 years.
2. Does the player get paid a full lump sum as soon as the buyout is executed, is it paid out annually per the buyout schedule, or does the player get regular paychecks like active players under contract (weekly I believe).
8 years! Good god
Have fun with kerfoot as 3c from leafs fan
Id say its the right call, just cut ties now and clean up the mess jimbo left behind and look forward
It's not a great move, but it's the right move. You can't walk into next season with basically no cap space and no way to improve your team. At least this time around we were able to convince the Acquilinis for this buyout unlike with the Luongo contract. We didn't have enough cap space to re-sign Toffoli which we paid at least two prospects and two picks for, because we were tagged with a cap recapture penalty for the Luongo contract.
The buy out isn't ideal but it's probably the least sucky option. Would have been better if the Canucks never traded for OEL in the first place.
what a terrible trade by benning 🙄 hope the canucks dont do anything stupid like this again
What many seem to forget is that when you buyout a player you still need to fill that spot on the roster. Last I checked Vancouver wasn't rich in Defensemen so essentially you'll have to use your "savings" on a replacement. Yes the cap is going up but with that so will be player contracts. In a few years do you think you'll get a better defensemen than OEL for the 4 million you saved. Doubtful
Why do this and take an 8 year penalty? It's once again pushing everything forward. In 6 years will be looking back asking what in the hell were we thinking.
Well you might anyone who knows how buyouts work won’t
@@dtrain9911I could handle us sucking but having a lot of cap room. You have some hope with cap room. It's inexcusable that we suck as bad as we do and have so little cap room. We keep worrying only about this year, and create so many problems for the future. I'm sure it's because everyone wants to keep their jobs and doesn't care about 3 years from now, But we need to start thinking long-term.
@@GR-bn3xj well they did think long term if you were going to buyout OEL this was the year to do it. We have 2 years where he cost us 4 million the rest is 2 million which is very manageable. Even 4 million is manageable we have a couple years to prepare for that. This creates the cap space to fine some of our needs to for the long term as well and cheaper options and where not up against the wall
Biggest thing I see is that we are no longer with our backs against a wall in terms of trades. Garland (for example) may have gone for nothing before, due to the cap crunch. Now, we can maybe get something legit.
Yes, the 8 years suck, especially years 3-4
Still not as bad a trade as the Neely one.
I think he's headed to Europe. Benning traded for him on the premise of acquiring a number one defenseman. Presuming Eckman Larson would be one in Vancouver was sound thinking...in 2016. The trade happened in 2021. By that point, Eris-Zona had succeeded in shattering him into a million pieces at the altar of that hellmouth Bettman uses to opt out of the aging process...
Anyway, back on topic, Eckman Larson was burnt toast by the time John Chayka signed that contract...in 2018. Bill Armstrong was probably laughing all the way to the bank when the Canucks offered a first round pick and cap relief in 2022 in exchange for those shattered remains. And he played like it, especially in his own zone. I don't think he's an NHL defenseman anymore, but I think he can play well enough to keep up with the talent level in Europe.
This free's up cap space to sign Loui Erikson the goat so I'm all for it
#thankyoujim
(edit: Glad to see Arizona forced to take their chunk of the buyout. I had always wondered about that.)
I literally laughed out loud listening to this video. I understand they had no choice but it's how they continue to say they will push for a playoff spot and come up empty.
Just think, they will have OEL and JT Miller's contracts of the books for the next 8 years 😂😂.
Milan Lucic is probably sitting at home thinking he will be offered a 5 x 6 million dollar contract this summer
Sounds like a Chuck Fletcher move that he would make with the Wild.
After listening to this, I’m no longer bothered that we didn’t get Bedard. We would’ve screwed that up somehow.
I still think he'd be solid as a #4 on a better team. Without the pressure of the contract or having to be one of the top 2 defenders on his team.
Mmm ... I don't know, he was pretty bad defensively last year. I think on any decent team, he would end up as a 3rd pairing guy (a #5 or #6 Dman). I predict he heads back to Sweden (like Loui E.) to play out the last 3-4 yrs of his career with his old club there. With what the Nucks will still be paying him, he can afford too.
Great video man
"It's a bold strategy Cotton"
It’s cool for Ekman-Larsson because he already has his pay from Vancouver, so he can take a cheap deal to play for what ever team he wants. As for bad Canucks trades I always think Rick Vaive & Bill Derlago.
The sad part is that 4.7 dead cap space is better than the 7.124 dead cap space that OEL brought
Luv the content thg!!
thanks Jimbo