GM got CAUGHT Sneaking Millions from Corvette/Camaro/Car Owners!
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- GM got CAUGHT Sneaking Millions from Corvette/Camaro/Car Owners!
Ladies and gentlemen, today I will discuss GM quietly and very sneakingly scamming millions of money from anyone who owned a Corvette or Camaro, and really anyone who has OnStar that likes to drive fast at times.
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Everybody should know about this. Is Dodge using Unconnect spying on my Demon 170 and my Hellcat?
GM recently announced OnStar will be "free" and standard on all new cars for 8 years. Trying to sell a spying feature as a positive when it's actually you that's the product. Don't drive recklessly? Do you suddenly brake or swerve to avoid hitting another car, child or squirrel? What is your definition of reckless vs the reasons they will charge you more?
It's not just GM at fault! It's the darn insurance industry!
I was suspicious of the On Star when they first brought it out!
If you have a cell or smart phone...you don't need On Star!
Who in their right mind would ever allow a corporation or the government to spy on you? I don’t care what any of these companies or government says, My privacy comes first. All you need to say is NO! You better learn how to say No to both of them or “we the people “ will be doomed. We are being herded into Communism, take yr head out and pay attention!!!
I wonder if it's all manufacturers that do this bs???
Here to join the upcoming Class Action Lawsuit.😢
I want to join the Class Action Lawsuit! Where do I sign up!
I want join
I want to join seriously
Your a gift to us Mike, I was told by my insurance agent last year that my rates would go up by 6%. This was just before I got my Corvette, and sure enough it did. I've talked to a couple of friends, and they both told me theirs went up (neither own Corvettes). Still I don't like GM selling private info. Oh, we're Cali people, we expect to always pay more
Doubt it. GM fanboys will accept any crap and ask for seconds.
A breach of trust at the cost of the Corvette faithful is very disappointing. I think the only way to get GM’s attention and to curb this unscrupulous behavior is a Class Action Lawsuit and to spread the word.
There should be a class action lawsuit against the car manufacturer and insurance companies found guilty of this and banned from doing it again at the risk of criminal liability
Mike
This is why I appreciate "UA-camrs" like yourself who is not afraid of posting information like this. This is HUGE partner and GM needs to be held accountable for this.
What GM is doing is what I call "Legalized Extortion" on the DL partner.
Nowadays trust no companies no gov. Nobody!!!
Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.
if you have opted out of all this GM crap AND they still track and sell your data...sue them
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Yeah seriously. Get an unearned comfy bonus just like the execs do.
Should have been notified in the beginning..
@@danielgriffy2170 You were. When you bought the vehicle and signed into OnStar, you agreed to it. Read the fine print.
The only way to opt out is to not drive the vehicle. Or delete/dthe module, though im sure their lobbyists will make most think that this is dangerous or even better illegal..
I was called a conspiracy theorist whenever I’d remove these modules from my Camaro’s. Who’s crazy now? Me, crazy prepared.
You could make a HUGE amount of $$ if you did a step by step instruction video or maybe a PDF file people could pay to download. I would bet a lot of people would like to know exactly how to do what you did. I do not drive any GM vehicles or I would do that myself.
So glad i didnt Bluetooth my phone to the "new" 2021 ford transit work van.
But I did see 2 other people's names on the list that previously drove it.
I'd prefer if ford doesn't have my info, as if it's not all over anyways.
@@MrTheHillfolkare you aware how Bluetooth works?
@@ineedapharmists
Soon as you'd connect to that truck, they suck up all your information, don't be stupid
I think it’s bullshit for the amount of money we spend on these cars that General Motors would do this to their customers. And I will definitely sign up for the lawsuit..🤬🤬🤬
It’s definitely BS, that is for sure!
So GM sells a performance car but penalizes people for using the performance car they sold us. Anyway to remove OnStar ?
It would be great if it could be removed or disabled. Not sure how to do that.
Remove fuse for it.
@@AFVetteranI'm not sure it has a separate fuse just for that feature, but that would be nice.
You can remove the module, disassemble, and remove the internal antenna. This stops the errors but also stops data transfers to OnStar
@@cjsnylonsThere are videos for previous models but you might be right for the C8. There may not be a separate module so your only option may be to just change the settings to remove permissions for GM to collect/share your data. At least you have that option. They always force us to opt out when it should be the opposite.
Wow this sucks ever since I bought my C8 2 and a half years ago my rates have been going up drastically every year and I couldn't figure out why could this be the reason I'm 47 with no tickets and no accidents now that I watched this video it makes me wonder
Absolutely, sign up for the lawsuit when you get your notice.
This didn't just go up on Corvette owners, Insurance on Escape went from around $500 2020 a year to over $1200 a year with no Violations now.
@@chrisbraswell8864 yeah my Subaru went up the last few years... no, not a STI or anything fast... the 175hp Legacy... Was @$200 for full coverage a month new, went down to like 150/mo... now back up to 195! Only have 26k on it & drive less than 5k mi a year!
Not a Corvette owner but it sounds like you shall wonder no more.
My damn insurance has been going up constantly. No tickets and no wrecks since the late 80's. This pisses me the hell off.
When I bought my sixth gen Camaro SS (back in 2018) they asked me about the onstar if I wanted it and I said NO because I KNEW this was being done without anyone telling me because I used to work in IT. Whenever a transmission is going out, someone is receiving it on the other end.THERE IS NO WAY A DEVICE even like a GPS that tracks your arrival time that is connected to satellites isn’t transmitting and STORING that data somewhere in the hands of someone. Not just car companies but Garmin and TomTom have probably been doing the same thing. I’m not excusing it but this isn’t a GM thing, this is a WORLD WE’RE LIVING IN thing. Don’t think that your Alexa isn’t probably doing the same in different fashion. Take control of your privacy and make responsible choices with your data 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥👍🏿
And yet our calls still fall on deaf or uncaring lazy ears
This is why I NEVER “register” electronics like GPS, or even a PC of any kind.
It didn’t take me log to figure out that ALL GPS devices sold over the counter have a cellular phone built in.
Now, how would I know that?
More than once, some random person has called through a GPS unit while I was driving.
I know more than enough to make my way across the entire country and all points between without a GPS or map.
I certainly do not want any of my information being collected period. I don't want GM using it for their own data. If they want information they have the ability to reach out to me and ask. I know the class action will happen, it's too bad all the money goes to the attorney's but it must be done.
Doesn't NCM sponcer BOS? Conflict of interest? How about promoting other insurers that are not your sponsors, like Haggerty?
I have used one of those devices from Progressive, and it is a scam right of rip. My T/A was in my backyard and it had snowed, so I went to put it in the barn and gotten stuck. Big mistake, while trying to get unstuck lol. RPMs went up my points dropped and my my insurance went up 😫. After that I dropped progressive and they was upset, so don't get that device.
That's BS... suppose you're doing a "Italian tune-up" on private property...
This is SO dishonest. GM should pay the price for this. I won't EVER pay for OnStar. I can imagine that there will be tuners coming onto the market trying to remove this functionality.
Sadly, we are the product being sold these days. Our Data gets sold every day, Facebook, Google, Twitter, GM, Ford, Your bank tracks your debit card, Loyalty cards at the supermarket or gas station, your credit cards too. All of this is marketing. Google Canon cameras and see how many adds mysteriously show up in the next few hours and days on any Social Media apps you have. Big Brother is always watching and listening.
Like fast and furious removing the gps tracker back in the day. Even THEY knew….😅
They sell the data to Lexus Nexus who then prepares detailed driving reports which are sold to the insurance companies
Now I understand why my insurance doubled on my C8 in one year. State Farm 505$ a year to 1100$ a year!
Same.
That's amazing Mike!! I had no idea GM is doing this!! Not good at all!!!
Not just GM, any car with telematics.
Boycott GM - it would be hard to do with them making so many vehicles we like , but it's costing us in so many ways
The problem is they'rd all doing it. GMs OnStar is Chryslers UConnect is Toyota's Entune, and on and on with each different auto manufacturer.
GM was always a garbage manufacturer.
Zero attraction to any of their vehicles.
I started doing amateur track days at a local circuit and also autocross a couple years ago in my Camaro.
And when my insurance renewed last year, the rates more than tripled. There was no explanation. I've had no tickets or other incidents.
The agent just said that the rates went up for no reason since rates are all going up where I live.
I never connected the dots with OnStar till now. What kind of people can even dream up such a backhanded scam?
Un blasted believable.
Someone in the aftermarket needs to come out with a GPS and data sending delete for these
I have suspected that crap all along with my new Z06. It’s all so obvious to me that I’m being spied on with the crap that comes up. They must be sued!!
My wife had to break hard because someone pulled out in front of her. Geico raised our insurance rates because of ONE hard breaking event. I called and complained. All they would say is “well we have to go by averages and our data”. I found another insurer and dropped them. They have lost my business forever.
Can't you just stop using the device?
I won’t buy another GM product they are a bunch of scammers. Corvette needs to separate for GM. Going to get my deposit back that I put down 3 years ago on a Z06!
Yeah, it’s really crazy that they have been doing this to us! 😡
It's not just GM though.
It's not a real Z06 anyways!! C7 for life!
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT 💯@@AFVetteran
Get an Emira!!!!!! Manual mid engine goodness...
I noticed Smart Driver on the "my Chevrolet" app after I purchased my SS 1LE in August 2023. I turned if off when I figured how in the settings not long after. Recently I noticed it was on again and I am the only one who uses the car and the app, and it was after an update and restart that the app had done. So somehow GM reset that setting to being on, seems fishy but not surprising. So might not hurt to double check the settings occasionally, especially if the app does an update.
Thank you for the information, I checked both my corvette and my Silverado and it was on both! Right through the app I disabled it. Also, thank you for the information about the NCM insurance. Big companies always up to sneaky stuff!!!!
Bought my wife a trax..free on star for one yr..expired over two yrs ago..the cel came on for cracked exhaust...they blew up her phone about cel being on..i asked how they knew...oh..onstar alerted us...dealer wanted 850$ to replace a 16 in piece of exhaust pipe...4 bolts and 128$ at auto zone
GMC was forcing customers to sign up for OnStar. We were going to buy. GMC DENALI Yukon last year. Because they were forcing this they lost a sale and we bought another brand. That 6k mileage limit is a joke. If you enjoy driving it's no good. Not a practical solution for those that want to own more than a garage queen.
I have been a member with USAA for 11 years. I have a 2024 c8 that is insured with USAA in NC. I moved to GA a week or so after purchasing the car. when I tried to switch my policy to GA they denied me and informed me they would not be renewing my policy. They said I had a ticket from 2021 that was an issues and my driving recored..... This is when I started looking into the onstar releasing driving information. I called Geico and they said they could not insure me.
GM isn't a Car Company! According to a GM CEO "We used to be a Car company that occasionally lent people money. Now were a Bank that sometimes makes cars". Believe it or not, GM is mostly owned by the Chinese. Chrysler is now owned by Stalantis. A foreign company. But Ford is still US owned. Thanks.
Mike this is one of the most informative videos you have done and very productive for many. Thank you. I will investigate and make changes appropriately. Looking out for the consumer very noble of you. No one from GM or OnStar had ever mentioned verbally or in writing about this subject matter you had mentioned. Thanks again. Keep us updated.
GM has been in the governments pocket for years. No surprise here.
I had no idea this was happening. First, I’d like to hear from GM regarding this issue. Second, I’d like to hear comments regarding possible violations of constitutional rights and freedom. Lastly, I certainly want to be included in the class action suit. As an aside, how do they know when you’re driving on a public highway as opposed to private property, or a track day? In any regard this is very troubling indeed.
Cheers!
Someone neeeds to take this to court.
Not only does Chevrolet need to be sued. But also every insurance company who has been involved!
That's an "unlawful search" and seizure.
Not surprised. There is more of this going on than I think we know.
Even with a perfect driving record, my insurance premiums have never gone. But get one ticket, then the premiums go up. So now, what GM has done through their hidden Black Box is effectively like having Insider Trading Information. I have to ask if Ford and Chrysler are doing this scheme also?
I'm glad to hear that a Class Action suit will be brought against GM!
This was another great and informative video Mike. Thank you and Save the Wave 🙋♂
Now I know why my Allstate insurance went up 27% , no tickets or accidents . Very upsetting . Thank for the info very good to know
Very sneaky and disturbing. Good solution though.
They also sold onstar data to insurance companies as another revenue source. Its funny how people's insurance was going up with no claims...
How did GM think this will not come to light one day 😂. Thanks for the info on NCM Insurance, looking at my options!
On star is " on" all the time, regardless of weather you get to see the info, or, only they do. You and me alike need to get on this class action lawsuit.
In 1998 I was a group of SEMA members that was in Detroit Michigan and visited GM corporate office and the president of GM. I was chosen by GM to ask one question that they said they would answer. The question was what will you do with the onStar information. My question was are you sharing this info with the insurance company. There were 80 members of SEMA That heard me ask it. I got in trouble for asking the question
It is ridiculous how State Farm increases my insurance a month. I’m paying over $2,500 a year for a Cruise. Every company that I call it’s about the same. It’s insane. If you’re young they charge more and when you get older they charge more.
Thank you for this information.
Fortunately, my OnStar is a 2LT standard and is no longer supported. Mine is insured by Grundy for an agreed value of $50K for $638/year, $100 deductible with unlimited milage. Had a fuel pump fail on a previous car insured with them, and they did reimburse towing expense.
that is corrupt as all hell and should be a massive class action lawsuit
Nice, that's why my insurance premiums dropped. Cool, worked out for me
Shouldn't be legal but some people want zero regulations against corporations. Glad you can at least change a setting to stop your data from being shared.
Yeah, it’s nonsense for sure.
In addition to sending the information to the Insurance Companies: 1) How does Carfax and similar services get their information. Someone must be making money here? 2) How do the third party warranty companies know that your Factory Warranty is about to expire?
Info leaks like this are certainly an invasion of privacy to loyal customers!!!
Great vid! Thank you!!
The electronic straight jacket gets ever tighter !
Mike, this does piss me off. How would they possibly know if you were, for instance, at a closed course somewhere having fun with your car legally? And is any of that any of their business? And, why do they make cars like this and test cars like this in those environments if they don’t intend for them to be driven that way? All rhetorical questions, but it sounds like you have the answers as to the next steps. 1. Change insurance companies (preferably NCM). 2. Disable the system. 3. Put your name on the class-action lawsuit. 4. Let your dealership know that you know and show them the evidence. 5. Vote with your feet.
This is such a huge violation of consumers’ privacy and yet another way that technology is constantly biting people in the @$$ when they don’t even know it. This is the sort of thing we know the government has been doing for a long time, and we know private companies do it as well to tap into peoples’ purchasing habits for marketing intel. But to think that GM shares our driving habits with our insurance companies is infuriating.
Great video and content, Mike. Thanks for sharing. 💪🇺🇸
It baffles me that people are surprised. Every modern vehicle gives you a privacy disclaimer, sometimes very briefly, that tells you they sell your data. This right here is why that matters, why we as consumers need to advocate for our own privacy, and our own ownership. Things like this will keep happening, it will get worse. You cannot sue gm for this, like it or not. You all agreed to it.
GM is not the only car company selling driver statics. Virtually every new car on the road does the same thing. Louis Rossman has been talking about this for over a year.
And that's why you disconnect the antennas when you buy the car and disable the data logger (Blackbox) it's yours when you buy it take control of your property
Quite literally knew about/suspected this 10 years ago, caught my wife's 2014 TrailBlazer 'calling home' periodically using an RF spectrum analyzer, wasn't able to decrypt the OTA payload back then, but the emissions stopped dead by pulling the OnStar box from the vehicle (under rear seat on passenger side) and was promptly tossed in the junk bin. I'm guessing pulling that box these days could render the vehicle inoperable??? I'll never buy a GM product manufactured after 1990 again.
Thx alot for the info I've been one of ur subs for a while and i purchased my 1st c7 about 2week ago great car so far!!!
Thanks for the heads up.
Got my renewal Saturday.. went up to $7400 from $2800 a year. Granted, I just traded a 2016 corvette for my 2022. No tickets or accidents in 30 years with AAA. They’ve always been good.
This is no different than eavesdropping. Which is illegal in most states. Not only should the lawsuit be against GM it should also be against each insurance company that bought the information. It is bad enough that they price ALOT of people out of the market.
Insurance is a steady income for these companies and investors. In other words. It is guaranteed money that does not need to see profits. Is would be what I would call a base income.
This act of invasion of privacy needs to be used as an example of what not to do by striking both GM and ANY manufacturer that sold information to the insurance companies as well as Allstate and any insurance company that purchased the information right in their pockets for this VIOLATION.
Thanks for the info Mike
My new Eray is being built this week. When I take delivery I will not press the on star button this time. My last three cars the dealer said they get pressure from GM to access it. Not this time. I don't subscribe to it but still get updates on the cars status which I don't need
My thing is how can they tell if your driving fast on a track are if your on the street that’s why it’s bs it’s not like it’s telling the insurance company the difference it’s just gonna say you’re driving fast and make you pay more money smh
Thank you for the information. I appreciate you......👍💯🙏
Mike, very informative. Big brother is FRFR.
I have to believe GM ran this practice past their corporate attorneys.
Wonder how that dialogue went down.
There needs to be a "MASSIVE" class action lawsuit over this. I am generally not a "lets sue them" kind of guy but some times the language of taking tens of millions out of some company's pockets is the only way to get the point across to them.
I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by not having it.
Thanks Mike, I really appreciate that information. I was just wondering why my insurance went up this year.
It's only a matter of time till the road controls your car.
oh no, say goodbye to future GM access.....check on your Eray order ASAP. Make sure "they" dont cancel your order. Remember youtube is FREE marketing for manufacturers
Thank you for this information.
I am a c8 owner, and i own insurance agencies. I think some of this is 100% true and some of it is not exactly as it was presented to you. I would love to do a zoom call with you and discuss and you could record it for your channel. A lot of what people are seeing has anything to do with anything like this. Bear in mind I own agencies, i do not set rates or speak for any carriers
Good video bro!!✌🏾
That's why my F ing insurance has been going up. I'm with the other guy. Class action!
One thing that no one has put out is the fact that GM decided to not use their engineers pricing suggestions for new model Corvettes like they did when the C8 was 1st introduced. Instead they created a new bunch of bean counters & had them juggle the numbers so they could build in a big price increase across the board for the Z06 models. Then to add insult to injury they decided to put this 6 month rule out to void the cars warranty not for the person doing it but for the next buyer who had nothing to do with causing any of it. The other part of that 6 month restriction was to threaten the sellers with not being able to purchase anymore cars from them. You will probably get a chance to Vlog about that part of the 6 month rule in the near future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you really think over-the-air updates were for YOUR convenience? No, in the dead of night, the manufacturer ACCESSES your vehicle and COLLECTS all the data remotely, and sells it. This is why I am keeping my 2012 Ford Focus. All the companies do this, if you have a new enough car. It also knows where you went, how many times you go there, and if you took kids or adults with you, and how many of them. Did you think being able to tell if a child was in the front passenger seat the air bag would be shut off, and that's all? No....they know who is in every seat by weight, and collect that data.
Most corvettes I see around here are driving atleast 10mph under the speed limit anyway.
There has to be a way to disable this and I’d try that. This is so wrong.
Thanks for the information! Enojado y Fuerte!!
Unbelievable, but not surprised. It seems like corporate America is squeezing anericans for every penny they can. From airlines with checked bags, skrinking products.. Last week I ordered a new Google phone, now chargers are extra.
Thanks for including the links to cited sources✔
Alex Jones said this on his show over 15 years ago. That’s why when he bought a new vehicle, he did not buy a GM product.
This behavior is absolutely disgusting by these car companies
Here as a proud “boycott gm”member for over 25 years.
Why can’t you disconnect it unhook the antenna. I never used Onstar anyway when I had a GM vehicle.
is NOT about control is about profits. MAX profits every day every minute
Their end goal is ultimately total control though. EV’s and autonomous cars.
@@BrinkofSpeed Control for profits I understand, control for control sakes makes no money. GM and others have a mandate to MAXIMUM profits (not reasonable profits)
The OnStar can be disabled with no problem, unplug the mirror, and the antenna, you might lose some mirror fuctions, but your car won't be listening to your conversations either.
Your connected even if you don't subscribe. This doesn't surprise me at all.
Wall Street Journal had a story about this last week. I didn't see all the repercussions of this.
My Insurance rates actually dropped a couple bucks when I went from my C6 GS to the C8 HTC.
Thank you very much for this information. Just like you, I am both disappointed and angered by such overreach. I purchased my C8 last March and did not sign up for the smart driver. I just disabled it. Many thanks!!
My last GM purchase was a 2003 GMC. Been driving Toyotas ever since and have no reason to ever go back.
Thanks!
I’ve wondered why my insurance went up on my tuned Tahoe. And they had no explanation as to why it went up!
I am not an OnStar subscriber and never have been. My 2018 BUICK ENCORE came with it. Every month, GM emails me a diagnosis report of my vehicle systems and maintenance reminders. How nice of GM. I didn't even have to ask for this free Bennie. If I could, I'd place one of these on my wife.
You don’t have to be a subscriber.
You can deactivate linked services but………. They will still have access to your location and certain other vehicle information. I had this issue in 2018 with a Chrysler Pacifica hybrid. For the service department to deactivate all information sharing, it would leave the vehicle with a check engine, light on, and a bunch of wiring would have to be pulled out. Bunch of crock! They are watching our every move. The sad part is, you agreed to this monitoring of your vehicle when you accepted their terms, and they gave you some rewards points through Chevrolet. Ridiculous.
You can remove the antenna from the OnStar module. Have to disassemble somewhat but it’s not hard. This prevents data uploading with zero errors
@@devnull128 if they are using a similar system to the ones, Chrysler is using, you can disconnect the roof antenna but unfortunately there is a second antenna somewhere in your dash and sprint services the communication. It’s totally nuts.
@@user-iq9mn6lj6b They are not in the roof on the GM OnStar modules, they are in the module itself. THANKS
Thanks Bro. For putting GM and others on blast 😢
Not just GM doing this, most manufactures are doing this. My new F350 has a section in the system to turn off data sharing.
Thanks for the information. Always follow the money. And you are right, it is about control! Can’t stand it. That’s what we get for buying US??