The only things I wanted changed was: Rush sweep or whatever it's called, should have been made unsafer. and vtrigger damage scaled back slightly. Universal: reduce input lag, make v reversals more reliable and give every character two very reversals (one like rashids roll and one that knock backs the opponent).
Another aspect that people do not take into consideration with HP is that, generally speaking, the more damage you are capable of taking the more opportunities you have to use V Reversal--and even the chance to pop trigger twice for two V bar characters. Along with being less durable, having 25 HP less could result in about a couple less V Reversal opportunities per FT2 set for Boxers. This is significant considering his lack of true reversal options. Still, the damage output is beyond stupid. Capcom, please.
Everybody complained about Urien the first month of season 2: Gimmicks Nerfed Everybody complaining about Balrog from first month until now: Ehh I guess he doesn't need that much hp
Have you seen his damage? That and you can't react to it and it's Plus on block. If it lands even with one meter you are out about half health and 600 stun.
Without even stating anything about his gameplay, I can name 3 of the highest master ranked players that are all Balrog mains, Smug, Iwate, and BrianF just to name who comes off the top of my head. While I get this doesn't exactly confirm that Balrog is an OP character, the fact that 3 of the worlds top players play the same character certainly goes to say that he is indeed a very good character. Balrog gameplay reinforces this fact, as stated in the video, he is the only character with a full screen ex move that was unnerfed by this recent patch notes. His EX straight is extremely good in game, I won't go into detail however because Vesper already gave a pretty good explanation in the video. In short, it's plus on block, even better than Urien's nerfed chariot tackle which was -2 prior. It's easy to call Balrog a better Urien in this sense as with Balrog's 3 frame jab, even using the normal Straight puts Balrog in a same position than Urien's EX chariot tackle did prior to the nerfs. Balrog also has his EX Screw, (sorry if that's not the name, I don't play Balrog) which has armor on usage meaning he can use it to interrupt pressure. While he doesn't have a good defense by any means, the fact that he even has this goes against his "heavy offense" playstyle. Anyway I hope this small essay gives you insight on the problems Balrog has in the current meta and that's without me going into the insane comeback potential Balrog has with V-Trigger which I guarantee you -25 hp is not going to fix.
His health nerf may not mean much, but less health means better quicker chance to kill. His damage does need to be looked into but I'm not bothered about it enough yet.
If they gave him Akuma's old health he'd be way more interesting the way he's built. The V trigger would be a comeback mechanic he'd have to lean on, like Ibuki, as opposed to just more shit he can pull out that he doesn't need just in case he screwed up a round of footsies.
Balrog needs to be hit with the nerf hammer. Reduce his damage output would be great..doing more damage than Akuma and having 100+ more HP is ridiculous.
Problem remains you spend the whole round whittling his health down with intelligent setups, skillful combos and well-timed reactions. By this time, he'll have V-Trigger meaning he has to cleanly hit you 2 times to win the game. Not fun if you're on the receiving end.
He's still hella strong. A 25hp nerf dont mean shit when he activates his V-trigger. 1 touch and your life bar will magically vanish. And yes, im salty AF.
I can see why Capcom is a little hesitant with balrog nerfs because he seems like one of those chars that can go from being a god to shit with small changes, but they should of at least either reduced his damage/stun a little or the safeness on his specials to make him more fair.
Balrog is the best character in the game, take away 25hp don't mean a darn thing Lol, that's sliver hp. literally using a medium DP instead of a light DP makes up the difference
Lance Simpson balrog the best character in the game yet this past weekend there were no balrog players in top 8. guess what, there were 3 necallis, sim, and a gief. 😂✌
the pools where full of scrubs online balrog players, pros dont drop theor mains to use brainless chars, yet this dumb ass on top mentioned sim and zamgief as they were top tier chars because top 8
Guys, I need help. I really like this girl because she's smart and nice and she's always there for me. But she mains Balrog. I feel so conflicted. What should I do?
Let me throw it there: what it ex double actually cost one meter for the first punch and another meter for the second? The first hit could be -2 and the second +2 or the opposite. This would cripple his attack considerably.
You can't zone well in this game, defensive style sucks, his pokes are crap, fireball damage release and recovery are terrible. You have to rush down to be successful and that's not his style.
Good luck with Ryu. Dash in and grab, and hope for getting a crush counter , that's the only strategy Ryu can have. Fireballs are unsafe, recovery is ridiculous. Just keep dashing in and hope for the best.
Rahul Surajith that's literally my style with ryu Lol, how can they nerf the face of street fighter to Hard. that's like scorpion being crap in MK or Superman in DC
Balrog is such a bullshit character in SF5. Getting juggled and carried to the corner for 45 to 50 percent of your health is just plain stupid, the amount of damage he does is stupid, and of course he's brain dead easy to use on top of all of that. Taking 25 of his health was definitely not enough to nerf him, thats nothing.
the legend , balrog got horrible matchups. try playing rog vs Laura , geif , Cammy , fang , Rashid, and Mika . especially Laura and geif destroy rog. I been playing rog for some time and these match up are very hard . do to the fact rog doesn't have any wakeup. seriously u have a problem vs rog get decent with any of these characters.
People like you cause nerfs, nerfs and nerfs. He's powerful, so? tell capcom to buff all other characters. Contribute your voice to character buffs and not nerfs.
So adapt and stop complaining. SFV is easy to pick up. Learn a character and their match ups and you're good. Balrog has only one long poke (stHP). Use that to your advantage. He's mainly on plus (Block or Hit) with HK, except crHK. No when to push buttons and make your attacks count.
How do you buff other characters to compete with this? I know, let's replace SFV Ryu with MvC3 Ryu where he has air beam supers and his overhead can combo you for 75%!No. You have to realize that you can't balance a game with only buffs. It would get too silly and be much worse for it.
dude stfu as a ultra platinum balrog is a brainless char with only one poke he can do over 60%, adapting to that is like giving your ass to someone else, i bet you play him because you trash
Shit they might as well make every one of his punches a projectile. Straight punch cannot be blocked and always does 6 hits in a row and his V Trigger heals him to full health and gives him invincibility for 30 seconds.
so he still doesn't have to work for his damage hey? Still gonna be seeing Balrogs throw out one move after being dominated an entire round, and still win? "Lets change his health by 25"....you gotta be kidding me. Is this some kind of sick joke? They literally nerfed everyone into the ground that was good before (I.E. Nash, Ryu), but they won't touch a broken character? Smh. I don't care about him not winning any tournaments, that doesn't make him automatically not broken. Speaking of winning tourneys, will Capcom ever be competent enough to rid Necalli's anti air jab, and everyone elses?
What was nerf?...this character is still going to destroy the living hell out of people for free, little less life not gonna mean shit when he activate that Trigger and hit you corner to corner stun you and kill you in 1 combo.
i dont think that the health mechanic mentioned at the 1:00 mark is a thing in sfv. Correct me if im wrong, but thats a thing in guilty gear, not street fighter.
An easy way to confirm this for yourself is in training mode. Turn on attack data. First, set the dummy's health to recovering or normal then perform your most damaging combo and note the damage. Next, set the dummy's health to infinite and do the same combo. You'll do more damage according to the attack data on the infinite health dummy.
I dont know i think they should have atleast make a slight damage adjustment for balrog. he's really scary to fight againts, specially with a character like mine (akuma)
They really should have changed the plussframes on some normals. I mean when fang was bottom 2 in s1 they nerfed him...alot. Balrog is arguably nr1 in s2 and he basically doesnt get affected, and cammy is top 5 and gets an airgrab? shows capcom seems to not know what is a nerf/buff and why it is.
I really don't think Balrog is as strong as people make him out to be. They just don't know the matchup yet. If you know his options and ranges he's not that hard to beat.
If in doubt about, where Balrog is, just take a look whose at Master Rank ATM, and how many of them R in fact Balrog ;) ... yea he has too many safe options, they should fix that ...
Balrog has always been my favorite SF character but people complaining and calling him OP and calling him broken makes me feel like shit and not want to play him honestly. Might switch to Ibuki or Chun or something.
But honestly he should hit hard considering he's a boxer but if your spending 2 bars of meter and a V-Trigger that takes 3 bars 40% feels appropriate honestly. Idk if it's because I play Balrog but it seems like I rarely run into other Balrog players but when I do they rarely beat me. I feel like the SFV community honestly just cries too much and doesn't want to adapt.
DaBlaqKid i agree he should hit hard but if he has obvious high damage he should have obvious weaknesses as well, and that's just not the case. That first bracket when balrog won everything was so hard to watch.
Logical Gamer Vega is still on the back of milk cartons. They literally just buffed damage with claw and that's it. Nothing like making his claw on/off basically the same. They should've added a bit more range to claw but more damage to barehand to divide the two but nope.
If you're having problems with Rog just pick Cammy, Laura, Zangief, or Rashid problem solved. Ironically half the people complaining played season 1 shotos or Necalli...
damage scaling not only works with more hits = lesser percentage of the hit damage being accounted for the longer the combo goes, it also works with HP, the more your life goes down the heavier the damage scaling, you can check this out in training mode, set the dummy's HP to normal, do a certain combo, note the damage value, then do the same exact combo again, and note the damage value the second time around where their HP is lower at the start of the combo, you'll find it does way less damage now, and every time it does even less damage.. So, having 1025 HP means you're damage scaling kicks in harder than lower life characters, cause if you're hanging on to that last 25HP, you effectively have more like 75 or 100 HP left and not just 25..that's what he meant by that..
Scalpel wow thanks for that tip dude. I thought damage scaling only effected hits not hp. Thats why in training damage will be different for the same combo. Do you know the exact damage scaling formula? Thanks dude!
no problem man, unfortunately, i don't know the formula for HP scaling, i do know that it's not as heavy as other games that does that to the extreme, like Guilty gear for example. what you said about the combos in training having different values is spot on, that's why when i try to test optimized combos i put 2P HP to "infinite" instead of "normal" or "regenerate" like most people do, just to get consistent numbers while testing and eliminate HP scaling as a factor.
Scalpel thanks for the reply, much appreciated my brother! do you know how people figure out setplays? meaty setups on oki? i dont know how to do that. i have the frame data app but i dont know how these guys create meaty setups and set plays. if you can help me with that, it would be greatly appreciated.
Toolassissted got you covered in that department :D just google "Toolassissted Oki Calculator" , he made this simple but neat app that you can use to cover all 3 recovery options with your preferred character, it also has everyone's frame data, it's friggin' awesome!
Not sure what these absurd comeback v-triggers are about, really. The worst offenders are Rog/Guile/Urien. The game wasn't like this in S1, no one's v-trigger meant "now I have a chance at a full comeback." It meant a mixup when activating, maybe a combo extension, some extra tools to work with. Not an ez half health bar confirm. This isn't SF4 where losing the round is rewarded with a comeback ultra, and that was a good thing. Nerf this noise.
apa123APA For real!! I'm somewhat new to SF been playing a few months. I'm platinum ranked right now. Almost everyone I played yesterday was mainly Urien. Consisted of me dominating the round right until the end. V trigger, make multiple guesses on defense ,DEAD. I kept thinking of how bad the players were, constant jumping and obvious same button patterns and that their wins were all due to the v trigger . I remember thinking f*!% I hate this game. Same for Laura. I play Akuma (my fault??)so he kinda just melts away.
i don't even care about all the v-trigger comebacks. it makes balrog much more interesting, in my opinion, than previous iterations of the character that would just space dash punches all day. and playing against all of these balrog and urien bandwagoners, you learn to deal with the ex dash and charge in neutral. i am only really irked that this character can build more v-meter in his bread and butter than any other character. if capcom did not nerf the damage, it must mean that they do intend for balrog to have big comeback potential. this makes v-trigger his most valuable resource. if he didn't build so much of it while doing v-skill combos and mix-ups and ending up in plus 2 situations, i think that the damage he does would be more appropriate. if the overhead v-skill does not already build less v-meter than the spinning punch, i think that it should. or, maybe make them equal, but comparable to how much v-meter karin builds with her v-skill combos. another idea i had was to make the amount of v-meter gained from the v-skill attacks to scale rather heavily with the combo being done, but it may actually work that way already.
lol I don't get why ppl complain about balrog. I play chun and i find the match up fun. sure he's strong but still have weaknesses. you guys only focus on the "broken stuff" of balrog while u don't know his weakness. every character has a weakness. from top tier to low tier. Laura is a different story lol but doesn't mean that the top tier characters are unbeatable.
Because he's so uninteresting and boring to play that no self-respecting SF player will ever touch him. I understand PrRog because he's an aficionado, but Smug was a nobody in S1 and is only doing well because of Boxer's Opness.
Ummm,,NO The real reason is the same reason Yun wasn't winning a lot of tournaments in USF4 despite his power; he has match ups that are bad enough for him to be counter picked. Pros normally stay way from characters with match ups that go that poorly in their favor, and if they do they will have one or two pocket character to go to just in case they get counter picked.
JoshIsParty actually its a buff to all charge characters, they get more time from holding back their charge to execute their move, So instead of having to get from back to forward in 6 frames, they can now do it in about 10.
In season 1 it was 12 frames, meaning : back down + foward + back down P and up K = Sonic Boom and flash kick (Immediately after recovery) Now its 6frames, the move above can still be executed but you need more precise timing. Season 2.1, it's going to be 10frames. So expect more crazy moves like Urien walk forward Headbutt. Its going to be a lot easier. Charge moves = Buffed
For those of you that are puzzled by Capcom's decision to not nerf the boxer you need to understand something essential for every company to maintain the profetability of a game: SALES! and sales come from popularity, of course. They are in a desperate need of American pros to win tournaments, especially EVO. This will create hype, it may even get picked up by mainstream media. The boxer is very hated by Asian players, it is hard to find a self respecting pro play him over there. The shotos, traditionally favoured by Japanese players, were nerfed. Infiltration's EVO win last year was only diffused in the FGC, nobody outside the community got hold of it. The hype created by LI Joe's performance was far more highlighted than the actual win.
Walter Sulivan this game already is in the toilet in terms of sales. SF5 underperformed at launch at that sticks with people so what cap com needs to do his try keeping their fan base from all jumping ship once other fighting games come out. cuz the pros aren't leaving and rightfully so but the community not making a living of this game will leave as soon as their Is another option
So capcom (Japanese company) is making a character overpowered on purpose just so that PR Balrog or smug would win a tournament with somewhat unpopular character to boost sales in US? Seems legit.
Man you're a great guy and your videos are awesome, I just think you're too much of a "nice guy" I think that if you show more personality, more feelings, maybe even cursing sometimes, you would get much bigger much faster Bye dude!! And keep up the good work
Health say nothing in SFV. To nerf Balrog only with 25 health is something, i must laugh. Capcom show with season 2 patch, that they are really bad in balancing work. Instead, they have destroy the balance of the game much more .... it is a sign of incompetence. 25 health must be seen in conjunction with how many hit you need, to kill the opponent. 100 health is about 10-15 hits and if you divide 10 hits through 25 health, you get an dysadvantage of 2,5 health per hit ... this is ridiculous and "nothing". That Capcom dont nerf Balrog also shows their incompetenz, which already shown in destroying the balance with season 2 patch. His cheap anti air, this plus frames, fast and big hitboxes, his damage ... so overpowered. At this point, SFV is the worst balance i have seen in a Fighting game. Top or low tier MEANS, the game is out of balance
This character is bullshit and we should boycott this character by standing up and turning our backs when he's played in tournament. lol might be too much but i swear it'll get a reaction out of capcom.
"I hate Balrog he's so O.P." Adapt pls. I fight Balrog often and as he doesn't have an overhead that's surprising, as you can just watch for his spin to throw him. I don't think he's too hard to fight. But that's just me
It's the only real argument to make though. He has no amazing defensive capabilities and (almost)any button he tries to stick out can be beaten out when he's pressured. It's fair to say that that's the lazy argument though, I understand how strong he is. I just find that it's actually not as hard to fight Balrog as a lot of people make it out to be. To be fair.. I use Rashid, so it may just be a good matchup on my part 😂
Are you guys satisfied with the upcoming Balrog changes?
VesperArcade no they didn't change anything
VesperArcade Beside the 25 health reduction he's still in the game!! I'm happy!
VesperArcade what do you mean changes vesper!?!? They didn't change anything to balrog!!!!
The only things I wanted changed was:
Rush sweep or whatever it's called, should have been made unsafer.
and vtrigger damage scaled back slightly.
Universal: reduce input lag, make v reversals more reliable and give every character two very reversals (one like rashids roll and one that knock backs the opponent).
pr balrog is gonna win evo
Another aspect that people do not take into consideration with HP is that, generally speaking, the more damage you are capable of taking the more opportunities you have to use V Reversal--and even the chance to pop trigger twice for two V bar characters. Along with being less durable, having 25 HP less could result in about a couple less V Reversal opportunities per FT2 set for Boxers. This is significant considering his lack of true reversal options.
Still, the damage output is beyond stupid. Capcom, please.
Thanks bro ! Visually being about to see the changes helps a lot ! Will all the notes' videos, thanks for taking the time to do them !
Everybody complained about Urien the first month of season 2: Gimmicks Nerfed
Everybody complaining about Balrog from first month until now: Ehh I guess he doesn't need that much hp
What does he have that's broken?
Have you seen his damage? That and you can't react to it and it's Plus on block. If it lands even with one meter you are out about half health and 600 stun.
Without even stating anything about his gameplay, I can name 3 of the highest master ranked players that are all Balrog mains, Smug, Iwate, and BrianF just to name who comes off the top of my head. While I get this doesn't exactly confirm that Balrog is an OP character, the fact that 3 of the worlds top players play the same character certainly goes to say that he is indeed a very good character.
Balrog gameplay reinforces this fact, as stated in the video, he is the only character with a full screen ex move that was unnerfed by this recent patch notes. His EX straight is extremely good in game, I won't go into detail however because Vesper already gave a pretty good explanation in the video. In short, it's plus on block, even better than Urien's nerfed chariot tackle which was -2 prior.
It's easy to call Balrog a better Urien in this sense as with Balrog's 3 frame jab, even using the normal Straight puts Balrog in a same position than Urien's EX chariot tackle did prior to the nerfs. Balrog also has his EX Screw, (sorry if that's not the name, I don't play Balrog) which has armor on usage meaning he can use it to interrupt pressure. While he doesn't have a good defense by any means, the fact that he even has this goes against his "heavy offense" playstyle.
Anyway I hope this small essay gives you insight on the problems Balrog has in the current meta and that's without me going into the insane comeback potential Balrog has with V-Trigger which I guarantee you -25 hp is not going to fix.
His health nerf may not mean much, but less health means better quicker chance to kill. His damage does need to be looked into but I'm not bothered about it enough yet.
If they gave him Akuma's old health he'd be way more interesting the way he's built. The V trigger would be a comeback mechanic he'd have to lean on, like Ibuki, as opposed to just more shit he can pull out that he doesn't need just in case he screwed up a round of footsies.
Balrog needs to be hit with the nerf hammer. Reduce his damage output would be great..doing more damage than Akuma and having 100+ more HP is ridiculous.
very informative I didn't know balrog was that crazy with it
Problem remains you spend the whole round whittling his health down with intelligent setups, skillful combos and well-timed reactions. By this time, he'll have V-Trigger meaning he has to cleanly hit you 2 times to win the game. Not fun if you're on the receiving end.
I think he's fair. Especially with these buffed Zangief running around.
now that u explained health ,Juri's 950 health makes perfect sense based on her effectiveness.
He's still hella strong. A 25hp nerf dont mean shit when he activates his V-trigger. 1 touch and your life bar will magically vanish. And yes, im salty AF.
I can see why Capcom is a little hesitant with balrog nerfs because he seems like one of those chars that can go from being a god to shit with small changes, but they should of at least either reduced his damage/stun a little or the safeness on his specials to make him more fair.
Balrog is the best character in the game, take away 25hp don't mean a darn thing Lol, that's sliver hp. literally using a medium DP instead of a light DP makes up the difference
Lance Simpson balrog the best character in the game yet this past weekend there were no balrog players in top 8. guess what, there were 3 necallis, sim, and a gief. 😂✌
Ave Mcree necalli is balanced and a good character,balrog is still strongest but not everyone actually likes him
how many GOOD boxers were in that event?
the pools where full of scrubs online balrog players, pros dont drop theor mains to use brainless chars, yet this dumb ass on top mentioned sim and zamgief as they were top tier chars because top 8
Lachi97 Sim is the worst character, no respect for any 'pro' player that uses him. his whole style is playing keep away and running all match
I'd at least like to see that +1 OB EX Straight Punch taken down to -1 or -2. It's pretty dumb.
"Man, Balrog's fun!"
Oh the PTSD.
Balrog needs a fireball and a teleport. And double his hp.
Daikkenaurora also needs a command grab throw that in there too
And he can also use it in the air. Make it happen Capcom.
don't forget all his specials should be invincible to all attacks including throws
He should start each round with full V-trigger and EX bar.
Daikkenaurora which never goes dose when using an ex move and v reversal
Guys, I need help. I really like this girl because she's smart and nice and she's always there for me. But she mains Balrog. I feel so conflicted. What should I do?
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE MAN NOW NOW NOW
Alirio Cervantes
only trash will main balrog. you're better off getting a dog and saving your money.
Let me throw it there: what it ex double actually cost one meter for the first punch and another meter for the second? The first hit could be -2 and the second +2 or the opposite. This would cripple his attack considerably.
How could Balrog possibly come back from this
if my character (Ryu) is good, I'll be happy. otherwise, I'm struggling to find a character in this game I like.
I wish you the best.
You can't zone well in this game, defensive style sucks, his pokes are crap, fireball damage release and recovery are terrible. You have to rush down to be successful and that's not his style.
Good luck with Ryu. Dash in and grab, and hope for getting a crush counter , that's the only strategy Ryu can have. Fireballs are unsafe, recovery is ridiculous. Just keep dashing in and hope for the best.
Rahul Surajith that's literally my style with ryu Lol, how can they nerf the face of street fighter to Hard. that's like scorpion being crap in MK or Superman in DC
Awesome upload!!
S2 Balrog (and Laura / Urien / Guile) makes S1 Chun look like a low tier. Only Crapcom could come up with such kinda "balance" change.
Balrog is such a bullshit character in SF5. Getting juggled and carried to the corner for 45 to 50 percent of your health is just plain stupid, the amount of damage he does is stupid, and of course he's brain dead easy to use on top of all of that. Taking 25 of his health was definitely not enough to nerf him, thats nothing.
850 Health then we can talk.
the legend , balrog got horrible matchups. try playing rog vs Laura , geif , Cammy , fang , Rashid, and Mika . especially Laura and geif destroy rog. I been playing rog for some time and these match up are very hard . do to the fact rog doesn't have any wakeup. seriously u have a problem vs rog get decent with any of these characters.
He's still ubsurdly powerful, good job capcom.
People like you cause nerfs, nerfs and nerfs. He's powerful, so? tell capcom to buff all other characters. Contribute your voice to character buffs and not nerfs.
Is not that easy to buff all the others characters, a single buff can broke a character and buffing all others character sure will make a caos.
So adapt and stop complaining. SFV is easy to pick up. Learn a character and their match ups and you're good.
Balrog has only one long poke (stHP). Use that to your advantage. He's mainly on plus (Block or Hit) with HK, except crHK.
No when to push buttons and make your attacks count.
How do you buff other characters to compete with this? I know, let's replace SFV Ryu with MvC3 Ryu where he has air beam supers and his overhead can combo you for 75%!No. You have to realize that you can't balance a game with only buffs. It would get too silly and be much worse for it.
dude stfu as a ultra platinum balrog is a brainless char with only one poke he can do over 60%, adapting to that is like giving your ass to someone else, i bet you play him because you trash
Honest question. Is the problem Balrog or is it his lvl 3 X-Factor? Like if he didn't have his V-Trigger would he still be the problem that he is?
"Man, Balrog is fun!" Lol
*Balrog needs +50% damage.*
Chest Pec Respect and should have a 50% range buff
Shit they might as well make every one of his punches a projectile. Straight punch cannot be blocked and always does 6 hits in a row and his V Trigger heals him to full health and gives him invincibility for 30 seconds.
so he still doesn't have to work for his damage hey? Still gonna be seeing Balrogs throw out one move after being dominated an entire round, and still win? "Lets change his health by 25"....you gotta be kidding me. Is this some kind of sick joke? They literally nerfed everyone into the ground that was good before (I.E. Nash, Ryu), but they won't touch a broken character? Smh. I don't care about him not winning any tournaments, that doesn't make him automatically not broken. Speaking of winning tourneys, will Capcom ever be competent enough to rid Necalli's anti air jab, and everyone elses?
VesperArcade Are you making a video on R.Mika changes lol?
What about Necalli? I feel like he got nerfed a bit.
Amazing vid
Urien and Birdie getting their braindead EX rush attacks nerfed but Boxer's remains untouched while it's the best of the bunch!?
What was nerf?...this character is still going to destroy the living hell out of people for free, little less life not gonna mean shit when he activate that Trigger and hit you corner to corner stun you and kill you in 1 combo.
for his damage he should have the lowest health of all chars for the trade off.
i dont think that the health mechanic mentioned at the 1:00 mark is a thing in sfv. Correct me if im wrong, but thats a thing in guilty gear, not street fighter.
Yep, it does have a universal "Guts" system. SF4 did as well. It's just not character specific.
An easy way to confirm this for yourself is in training mode.
Turn on attack data.
First, set the dummy's health to recovering or normal then perform your most damaging combo and note the damage.
Next, set the dummy's health to infinite and do the same combo.
You'll do more damage according to the attack data on the infinite health dummy.
Yes aim very satisfied balrog still the same. can i get an AMEN?
I love the balrog hate hahha
Balrog ex straight needs to be -2 on block. That and the health nerf would be fine imo
No bison changes. Don't know if that's good or not
What's the input for that nice combo at the 28 sec mark?
ex dash low, any kick button, MP+MK, any punch button, ex dash straight, F + any kick button
Appreciate it!
no problem yo
I dont know i think they should have atleast make a slight damage adjustment for balrog. he's really scary to fight againts, specially with a character like mine (akuma)
They really should have changed the plussframes on some normals. I mean when fang was bottom 2 in s1 they nerfed him...alot. Balrog is arguably nr1 in s2 and he basically doesnt get affected, and cammy is top 5 and gets an airgrab? shows capcom seems to not know what is a nerf/buff and why it is.
Looks like I will still be maining Rog in S2.1 :D
I really don't think Balrog is as strong as people make him out to be. They just don't know the matchup yet. If you know his options and ranges he's not that hard to beat.
Looks like Smug payed off Capcom?
If in doubt about, where Balrog is, just take a look whose at Master Rank ATM, and how many of them R in fact Balrog ;) ... yea he has too many safe options, they should fix that ...
Do you know when capcom is going to release season 2 dlc
Put a petition in to capcom to make combofiend stop loving mike tyson and nerf balrog Lol
If anything EX straight should be 0 on block. He has a 3 frame so he has a leg up on a large portion of the cast. Lol.
i woulda thought more people would be play balrog online, but it doesnt seem that way.
Balrog has always been my favorite SF character but people complaining and calling him OP and calling him broken makes me feel like shit and not want to play him honestly. Might switch to Ibuki or Chun or something.
Or you could just let bitches be bitches and bath in their salty tears :p
But honestly he should hit hard considering he's a boxer but if your spending 2 bars of meter and a V-Trigger that takes 3 bars 40% feels appropriate honestly. Idk if it's because I play Balrog but it seems like I rarely run into other Balrog players but when I do they rarely beat me. I feel like the SFV community honestly just cries too much and doesn't want to adapt.
DaBlaqKid adapting implies actual work, something most sf5 players adamantly refuse to do
DaBlaqKid i agree he should hit hard but if he has obvious high damage he should have obvious weaknesses as well, and that's just not the case. That first bracket when balrog won everything was so hard to watch.
Balrog SHOULD hit hard. He just shouldn't be so safe and brain dead.
Well im just gonna counterpick with Zangief and give all the balrog players the beat down should i run into them. Only 25 health loss is laughable
I hear ppl saying that Juri is getting nerfed. How is that?
weird girl you can't nerf a character that doesn't get played in any tournaments 😂
Her anti-air jab is getting nerfed, which is perfectly fine IMO. They REALLY need to do the same to Necalli.
Wow you made this right after the stream didn't you?
Yeah, what's wrong with that lol.
Nothing wrong I just noticed it lol.
but did vega make the tier list?
Logical Gamer Vega is still on the back of milk cartons. They literally just buffed damage with claw and that's it. Nothing like making his claw on/off basically the same. They should've added a bit more range to claw but more damage to barehand to divide the two but nope.
If you're having problems with Rog just pick Cammy, Laura, Zangief, or Rashid problem solved. Ironically half the people complaining played season 1 shotos or Necalli...
Could you explain the taking less damage while at low health? Does everyone get a defense buff at low health?
damage scaling not only works with more hits = lesser percentage of the hit damage being accounted for the longer the combo goes, it also works with HP, the more your life goes down the heavier the damage scaling, you can check this out in training mode, set the dummy's HP to normal, do a certain combo, note the damage value, then do the same exact combo again, and note the damage value the second time around where their HP is lower at the start of the combo, you'll find it does way less damage now, and every time it does even less damage..
So, having 1025 HP means you're damage scaling kicks in harder than lower life characters, cause if you're hanging on to that last 25HP, you effectively have more like 75 or 100 HP left and not just 25..that's what he meant by that..
Scalpel wow thanks for that tip dude. I thought damage scaling only effected hits not hp. Thats why in training damage will be different for the same combo. Do you know the exact damage scaling formula? Thanks dude!
no problem man, unfortunately, i don't know the formula for HP scaling, i do know that it's not as heavy as other games that does that to the extreme, like Guilty gear for example.
what you said about the combos in training having different values is spot on, that's why when i try to test optimized combos i put 2P HP to "infinite" instead of "normal" or "regenerate" like most people do, just to get consistent numbers while testing and eliminate HP scaling as a factor.
Scalpel thanks for the reply, much appreciated my brother! do you know how people figure out setplays? meaty setups on oki? i dont know how to do that. i have the frame data app but i dont know how these guys create meaty setups and set plays. if you can help me with that, it would be greatly appreciated.
Toolassissted got you covered in that department :D
just google "Toolassissted Oki Calculator" , he made this simple but neat app that you can use to cover all 3 recovery options with your preferred character, it also has everyone's frame data, it's friggin' awesome!
another nerf for rog is the removal of jump back os.
I don't recall this being part of Martin Luther King Jr's dream.
Not sure what these absurd comeback v-triggers are about, really. The worst offenders are Rog/Guile/Urien.
The game wasn't like this in S1, no one's v-trigger meant "now I have a chance at a full comeback." It meant a mixup when activating, maybe a combo extension, some extra tools to work with. Not an ez half health bar confirm.
This isn't SF4 where losing the round is rewarded with a comeback ultra, and that was a good thing. Nerf this noise.
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For real!! I'm somewhat new to SF been playing a few months. I'm platinum ranked right now. Almost everyone I played yesterday was mainly Urien. Consisted of me dominating the round right until the end. V trigger, make multiple guesses on defense ,DEAD. I kept thinking of how bad the players were, constant jumping and obvious same button patterns and that their wins were all due to the v trigger . I remember thinking f*!% I hate this game. Same for Laura. I play Akuma (my fault??)so he kinda just melts away.
R.I.P. Mika
i don't even care about all the v-trigger comebacks. it makes balrog much more interesting, in my opinion, than previous iterations of the character that would just space dash punches all day. and playing against all of these balrog and urien bandwagoners, you learn to deal with the ex dash and charge in neutral.
i am only really irked that this character can build more v-meter in his bread and butter than any other character.
if capcom did not nerf the damage, it must mean that they do intend for balrog to have big comeback potential. this makes v-trigger his most valuable resource. if he didn't build so much of it while doing v-skill combos and mix-ups and ending up in plus 2 situations, i think that the damage he does would be more appropriate.
if the overhead v-skill does not already build less v-meter than the spinning punch, i think that it should. or, maybe make them equal, but comparable to how much v-meter karin builds with her v-skill combos. another idea i had was to make the amount of v-meter gained from the v-skill attacks to scale rather heavily with the combo being done, but it may actually work that way already.
so are you going to talk about any other game besides SFV?
lol I don't get why ppl complain about balrog. I play chun and i find the match up fun. sure he's strong but still have weaknesses. you guys only focus on the "broken stuff" of balrog while u don't know his weakness. every character has a weakness. from top tier to low tier. Laura is a different story lol but doesn't mean that the top tier characters are unbeatable.
WTF CAPCOM! -25 HP? THE CHARACTER IS UNPLAYABLE NOW
Im surprised capcom didnt give rog a grenade launcher for this update 😂
So again I ask, if Rog is so broken how come he's not making up 3/4 of the top 8 like Nash and Chun did during season 1?
Because he's so uninteresting and boring to play that no self-respecting SF player will ever touch him. I understand PrRog because he's an aficionado, but Smug was a nobody in S1 and is only doing well because of Boxer's Opness.
Ummm,,NO
The real reason is the same reason Yun wasn't winning a lot of tournaments in USF4 despite his power; he has match ups that are bad enough for him to be counter picked. Pros normally stay way from characters with match ups that go that poorly in their favor, and if they do they will have one or two pocket character to go to just in case they get counter picked.
Remember "The Hakan Comeback" that Infiltration did against PR Balrog at EVO? Picking Zangief does the same against Balrog in 5.
Street fighter players hate 50\50s & that's what this character is good at lol
All of the characters that are viable have 50/50. that's why this game is trash. Try using Ryu or Nash now
Well aren't they planning to umbrella nerf charge characters. So pretty big nerf there.
JoshIsParty actually its a buff to all charge characters, they get more time from holding back their charge to execute their move,
So instead of having to get from back to forward in 6 frames, they can now do it in about 10.
Dreamcast Spirit on I thought you had to hold back longer than before. Guess I read it wrong
In season 1 it was 12 frames, meaning :
back down + foward + back down P and up K = Sonic Boom and flash kick (Immediately after recovery)
Now its 6frames, the move above can still be executed but you need more precise timing.
Season 2.1, it's going to be 10frames. So expect more crazy moves like Urien walk forward Headbutt. Its going to be a lot easier.
Charge moves = Buffed
This "nerf" to Balrog is a farce.
great
balrog is by far the most OP in the game
Balrog 800 HP is the only way to go. 50 Stun. Make toe stomp whiff on hit, activating V-Trigger needs to drain super meter.
I wish they took away the 3 frame target combo
If you lose against Balrog, it's your fault. You didn't block. UGGHAA
F.A.N.G.? At least he got some interesting buffs
"just" defeat him fast...otherwise, you are done.💩
For those of you that are puzzled by Capcom's decision to not nerf the boxer you need to understand something essential for every company to maintain the profetability of a game: SALES! and sales come from popularity, of course. They are in a desperate need of American pros to win tournaments, especially EVO. This will create hype, it may even get picked up by mainstream media. The boxer is very hated by Asian players, it is hard to find a self respecting pro play him over there. The shotos, traditionally favoured by Japanese players, were nerfed. Infiltration's EVO win last year was only diffused in the FGC, nobody outside the community got hold of it. The hype created by LI Joe's performance was far more highlighted than the actual win.
Walter Sulivan this game already is in the toilet in terms of sales. SF5 underperformed at launch at that sticks with people so what cap com needs to do his try keeping their fan base from all jumping ship once other fighting games come out. cuz the pros aren't leaving and rightfully so but the community not making a living of this game will leave as soon as their Is another option
So capcom (Japanese company) is making a character overpowered on purpose just so that PR Balrog or smug would win a tournament with somewhat unpopular character to boost sales in US? Seems legit.
🔽>Mk>Mk, V trigger then end their life that's what goes through balrog players heads
Man you're a great guy and your videos are awesome, I just think you're too much of a "nice guy" I think that if you show more personality, more feelings, maybe even cursing sometimes, you would get much bigger much faster
Bye dude!! And keep up the good work
can't wait to trade my SFV with tekken 7 ^^
Capcom, please. Balrog's damage need to be nerfed by 50%.
LOL...no. That would make him useless. Just nerf his Ex Straight and maybe a SLIGHT nerf to the damage scaling on his v-trigger.
i need internet in my home :(
Alien MKX all over again
idk about u guys but I hate rogs roundhouse. that shit is broken. mixed with his anti air medium brooooo he controls the fk outta corner
How is that "balance" ? capcom pls.. lol
Health say nothing in SFV. To nerf Balrog only with 25 health is something, i must laugh. Capcom show with season 2 patch, that they are really bad in balancing work. Instead, they have destroy the balance of the game much more .... it is a sign of incompetence.
25 health must be seen in conjunction with how many hit you need, to kill the opponent. 100 health is about 10-15 hits and if you divide 10 hits through 25 health, you get an dysadvantage of 2,5 health per hit ... this is ridiculous and "nothing".
That Capcom dont nerf Balrog also shows their incompetenz, which already shown in destroying the balance with season 2 patch. His cheap anti air, this plus frames, fast and big hitboxes, his damage ... so overpowered.
At this point, SFV is the worst balance i have seen in a Fighting game.
Top or low tier MEANS, the game is out of balance
Outrageous, still totally unbalanced.
yaay now barlog can take one less jab. balance-fix'd
ppl complain about him like he's the new Seth lol
Omg, just casually spoiled the UFA results...
This character is bullshit and we should boycott this character by standing up and turning our backs when he's played in tournament. lol might be too much but i swear it'll get a reaction out of capcom.
25 health nerf....lol
"I hate Balrog he's so O.P."
Adapt pls. I fight Balrog often and as he doesn't have an overhead that's surprising, as you can just watch for his spin to throw him. I don't think he's too hard to fight. But that's just me
BrotherGoro adapt is the lazy man's argument
It's the only real argument to make though. He has no amazing defensive capabilities and (almost)any button he tries to stick out can be beaten out when he's pressured.
It's fair to say that that's the lazy argument though, I understand how strong he is. I just find that it's actually not as hard to fight Balrog as a lot of people make it out to be.
To be fair.. I use Rashid, so it may just be a good matchup on my part 😂
It also means you just suck at the game and can't win against Balrog at all.
Which person are you talking to? 😂😂
BrotherGoro The other guy XD.
EX Staight shouldnt be + 1 on block. It be should be a -2 on block.
Ridiculous patch, Balrog still fucking broken SFV
CLLLRASH DAHBULL!!!
His Ex Straight should have nerfed to -2 on block just like Urien's Chariot Tackle. Other than that I'm ok with Rog.
Hello guys. Balrog lost 25 health. Bye, guys.