How does one go to the very source of thought? | J. Krishnamurti
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Madras 1980/1981 - Question #8 from Question & Answer Meeting #1
'How does one go to the very source of thought so that there is a possibility of silencing the thinking process itself?'
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"We are so full of other people's knowledge. We are second hand people." Brilliant
As a matter of fact we have that knowledge, only one of the part is we need a guide to know what anyone doing to align with thought to understand.
He is actually very negative minded.
Listening to sir J krishnamurti without contemplating is like eating without digesting
If everyone will listen to this man,what a wonderful world it will be.
Jazzy kat2015, Yes dear, it could be a fresh and delightful world,full of love and love !
I like you
Thats a thought...
If you can prove that we can't follow him, then there might be a chance of following him. I guess
No Sir.
People listened to him for many decades and they repeated what he said.
Unfortunately no one understood him.
He walked on this earth. What a spectacular human being. Thank You from the deepest of my heart J. Krishnamurti for reminding us to find out for ourselves.
Listening to his voice gives so much energy and vitality if I am present to his talking and it goes clearing the mind and it is spontaneous to create a new me which is clearing the conflicts and contradiction. Learning becomes effortlesd
the intense passion he had, right to the last years, when the body turned feeble yet the soul was burning brighter still with the passion he had, to spark that in another human so he could findout for himself.
if there is to be any goal on earth, it should be to live and die with a passion and purpose like this. no matter people didn't really understand then or even now, he did his part with everything within him. i love K.
@@ranirathi3379 very well said. yes, the passion is incredible. did you see when he looked at the time and was amazed to see an hour has gone by . SImply suggests he was a man who was always present, always. This was a man who really lived. This was a man who attained the highest form of intelligence . His was a sacred mind. His was a truly compassionate mind.
Very beautifully said it
Thoughts are nothing but intelligent beings who can communicate with the human subconscious. When you start to hear thoughts those are aliens from another dimension communicating with you. Choose your speaker wisely. Because these entities speak through you whenever you give them the authority to talk. Sometimes these beings are so powerful that they over take your mind without you even knowing and you become a fluent vessel for them to use so that they can communicate with other subconscious, and create different realities by using you. Every time a thought arises in your mind you are being contacted by extraterrestrial entities who travel using energy that all living and non living things can feel. Yes non living things feel to. A fragile glass object can feel the force of you throwing it on the ground because it breaks. Watch those aliens y’all lol some are here to stay. Some are not.
Years ago I once was about to leave the house. I saw an umbrella.. and I thought hmm may be I should take it. But looked outside and it was clear as a day and I left home.
It started pouring that day and I wished I took the umbrella.
To this day I still don’t know out of countless things why my brain noticed the umbrella and thought of it for a second and some part of mind rejected it.
I don’t believe we have just one system of thought. We have got many systems conflicting with each other. The things that you want to do but the things that you choose to do etc.
To this day I haven’t found the answer on how some of the thoughts come to my mind. It’s so strange it comes on different topics. Sometimes I can tell the source of it like tv or a dream or socials media
But sometimes I have no idea where it comes from. Sometimes it feel it’s external like it’s connected to the worlds. I want to decipher and differentiate these thoughts but my day to day life keeps me so busy. But am here to watch this video trying to still understand. I still have no answer.
But now atleast if I notice something out of ordinary when I leave the house I don’t question it. I take it. It’s always worked. I never ignore something that comes to my attention but without explanation.. i still am amazed that there’s a part of your brain that can foresee things a little bit that your conscious mind cannot. It’s difficult to explain how this works.
'I' have found that one of the channels of thought may be insight. That insight is not based on memory. And insight is out of explanation as well. It just comes out of nowhere.
I feel sometimes my brain(mind) seems to have known already when I face a situation or reality on certain days. Kind of deja vu, but with the strong feeling of destiny.. I wonder if the future is already laid out (?) then how much free will we actually have?
Wisdom, insight. ❤
What a powerful ending.
"Your Gods are matter"
"There is nothing sacred in what thought has created.
It is the mind, that is beyond thought, beyond time, that knows what is to be sacred."
Salutations to JK !! I follow JK for the clarity he brings on how the human mind is working (which includes brain, nervous system, body etc,). But those who experienced something beyond matter (for ease of reference we name it God) would tend not to agree with the statement "Gods are matter'; although it all depends on what Sri JK meant by "God" when he said "Gods are matter"
@@pselvin9276 what i comprehended by jk saying "god is matter" is as he too mentions anything thought creates is matter. so he might be pointing that god is created out of thought, that god which they have been worshipping or let's say we have been worshipping. Let's say thought worshipping thought.
"There is nothing sacred in what thought has created."
Edited: Sacred is beyond thought.
@@daygonrae2832 I think you missed something…everything is matter god is matter. Our mind are what create thoughts…thoughts are delusion of past/future experiences. In Hermetics and other philosophies it states that God is everything inside the present moment. Once you are not present you are no longer with god
@@daygonrae2832 yes he have mention that god is only in a thought which is in organized way that the thought believes the thought...
@@SteveMe21685 if jk was pointing that matter is god then why would he go against all those organized religion? For example hindu worshipping all those idols,as they are all matters. In case of other religions, worshipping their so called holy book.
But I comprehend your latter two statements and they are completely different from this discussion.
I was a determined seeker 50yrs ago and read most of Krishnamurti's books of the day line by line thinking that in the next paragraph Ï was going to get .It.!! Tonight listening is happening. Thank you Krishnamurti.
Quando Krishnamurti responde sobre o que e o pensar dizendo que não passa de uma atividade cerebral, acredito que esteja sobrepondo a ele o nao-pensar, mas a valorizar a quietude da mente. Com isso, parece-me, ecoa sabedoria orientais-asiaticas da mais pura contemplação presente. Minha resistência prende-se a pensar que o pensamento não é apenas conhecimento ou tem sua fonte na memória --- mas bem pode ser despertado por um acontecimento a nos reclamar.
Great to hear that. I am proud of you.
Have a nice time.
Salute to this wonderful man and to everyone who have watched and commented.
Salute miss. It is a wonderful time to be alive 🙏😊
"Not knowing" and "not needing to know" is a tremendous state. I first found it in the interlude between asking aa honest question and waiting for an answer I didn't have. My mind was no longer trying to reason it out and I just waited. What a wonderful place to come to.
People listing to him are also legends. !!
He is so irresistibly beautiful.
I feel the same
"Its a wrong question" at 0:59. And then what an explanation!!! Deep into the essence.
We are so full of 'other people's knowledge -second hand people ' how true !!!!!!
I actually thought he showed a bit of resentment there...
This is what I understand Krishnamurti was saying. The human body with its brain is a machine, a marvelous one with incredible capabilities but it is still a machine, made of matter (molecules and atoms), fundamentally not unlike any other machines built by humans such as cars, computers, etc. Being material, the human brain does not have consciousness except for what is stored in its memory, just like a computer, no matter how complex, does not have consciousness. Being of matter, the human brain cannot understand or reach the immaterial. It is the immaterial that operates through living entities including humans, and in the process an ego is formed that is intimately associated with the body. So the ego along with its body thinks it is a unique entity with its own intelligence that is separate from others. But actually there is only the (immaterial) intelligence that operates through machines (e.g. human bodies) just as people operate their computers. Thus there is only intelligence, not your intelligence or my intelligence, because you and I are basically machines. Without the intelligence operating through our bodies, we don't even know we exist, not any more than a computer being aware of its existence.
The body mind organism is indeed the vehicle for the expression of Divine Intelligence through every being, every soul. That Intelligence, that Love, is impersonal but also individuated in each one of us. We are the vehicle through which it flows and expresses Itself in created matter. The trick is to be consciously aware of it and then become rooted in That, rather than the mind's judgements. Then the mind becomes a good and faithful servant and you can go ahead and use it to live life, solve equations, run your business etc without buying into its dualistic vacillations. This rooting to the Higher Intelligence therefore happens in the heart, it is a feeling principle but understanding must come first - the mind must be taught its place!
@@katharineofarrogant7805 Hi Katherine, can we talk about it? I really like your comments and wish to ask some questions if is not a problem for you. Thank you.
You are the only one in the whole comment box who understands what krishnamurti actually said here.
the division between material and immaterial is an illusion
Super observation and clear explanation.Thanks to our JK and for your way of explanation.
Thanks for the basic knowledge about thought processes. J.K is the world teacher.
Anything that thought creates is matter... Your Gods are matter. ❤️
Salutations to JK !! I follow JK for the clarity he brings on how the human mind is working (which includes brain, nervous system, body etc,). But those who experienced something beyond matter (for ease of reference we name it God) would tend not to agree with the statement "Gods are matter'; although it all depends on what Sri JK meant by "God" when he said "Gods are matter"
@@pselvin9276 many people made feeling and pleasure their god, as they lost themselves in thought.
R all thoughts evil how to get rid of thoughts watching them 24 hours
I think what he means is whatever humans create is matter
@sv9596 thoughts are not evil or good, they just are, ❤
I know only one thing. I Love You.❤️❤️❤️
17 dislikes!!!
How can someone in his conscious mind dislike this beautiful human being (who was/is/will always be a phenomenon in his own personality)?
People are in different levels of evolution. Don't expect them to be in your level. Some people are more suited with tail and horns.
Haha, that's not in our hand. Don't bother likes and dislikes. Because it is Out of our control .
@@codewizard5327 yat
Somebody that is not interested in listening JK.
What a spectacular human being thanks for opening our eyes k 🙏
OMG the first time I can follow what he is saying :D
Thought is God and God is a matter and matter is not sacred. Sacred lives beyond thought.
What a wonderful statement.
Such a message!!!!!!!!!!!
Just amazing.! I've no words to express how much I appreciate j.k.! 🙏🙏🙏♥️
"there is nothing sacred in what thought has created"
Salutations to JK !! I follow JK for the clarity he brings on how the human mind is working (which includes brain, nervous system, body etc,). But those who experienced something beyond matter (for ease of reference we name it God) would tend not to agree with the statement "Gods are matter'; although it all depends on what Sri JK meant by "God" when he said "Gods are matter"
Thank you for uploading as it is.
Wow amazing. He is a perfect & clear mirror!!
Soon after you listen, you can change..
Anything that thought creates is matter..thought itself is matter, there is nothing sacred in thought has created..it is the mind which is beyond thought, beyond time knows what is sacred 😍
Great format for publishing those speeches. It becomes a 10-20 min meditation, where you have to totally silence your mind and are being guided by Mr. Speaker.
A breakthrough video without a doubt.
Summary: Every experience precedes the concept of an experiencer.
In other words:
Experience (fleeting), then followed by the next step of identification with an imagined "I", that just supposedly had that experience, is the pattern. This has to be seen with a discerning brain calmly. Then one can begin to abide in pure experiencing, which is just awareness. That's what all the great people have tried to convey. The result of this is fearlessness, because now the pattern has been seen and the illusion seen not to exist even.
Unbelievable. What a genius. So simple
So crisp and clear in his Erudition. A True Modern Gnani whose teachings can bring World Peace
Love the part when he says, ‘it’s a wrong question.’
He takes a long time explaining it which is the only thing i dislike about hes lectures, check out mooji hes straight to the point.
A Ql I know Mooji. I have studied him. He is awesome too. Jk is the best though when it comes to understanding your mind better. Read his books. You can read at your desired speed.
@@arianasahiti1846 i love you
A. Sa there are no wrong questions there are only bad answers
There is powerful essence in looking at what thinking is and where it source is. In this video one does not need to be a scientist or authority but an ordinary person too can learn what thinking is and where is its source.
The beauty is in explaining it in simplified language so everyone can grasp it if giving it an attention!
remember you can only grasp this if you meditate. otherwise don't even try to understand it. to find the source of thought you must enter timelessness. can you do that ?
people who disliked are brainless creatures ! thanks to shiri J. Krishnamurti the last enlightned man walk on earth im glad we had videos, we coudn't record swami vivekananda or shiri Paramhans talk, so glad and happy from heart to hear him everyday ! thanks to the technology !
Other swami's said the opposite. You will be confused
Amazing...no words
Paradoxical Truth, how hard yet so simple! Thanks K and friends.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” ― Albert Einstein. "When Dao is spoken, dao is no more"--Laozi . " Individuality is Indivisibility"--K. Aren't these sages telling the world something? Paradoxical because we live in a time/space 3 dimensional existence, yet real time is timeless, space-less, ego-less and absolute. Just IS, try to catch it with thoughts and it's gone.
Simply superb stunning analysis makes you start thinking great teacher indeed
JK sir was the most outstanding gift bestowed by the nature to the mankind. Long live his teachings. I am so grateful to the team uploading these videos. How intelligent, sharp and sensitive he was. I salute you sir!!!
He was certainly not a gift. He was a man searching to know himself truly, searching only the truth. A man anyone of us should be.
Thank you for your great work 🙏 🙏
It means our language is itself is mere knowledge.If you born in India you experience Hindi from childhood it becomes your language you will think in Hindi and if you born in England you will experience English and your brain will think in English. It means for trivial matters that concerns human brain with useless thinking is merely coincidence and nothing else.Your experience had given it to you it's of no importance.Thanks K.
Jiddu explained everything so clear...as it should be. Wisdom is not complicated, it is simple.
Brilliant
Totally clear
Beyond matter ( Energy) and time... What an explanation.. Neo Buddha... Thanks J K wherever you are..
extremely clear❤❤
im glad i lived in the time, of this great human being, KRISHNAMURTI.
Great question!
Great Master,No one is like him!
"Thought IS matter!
Awesome 👌
I really dont know how to solve some of my issues with my brother ! But i have never accepted it but I used to ponder over it . This video helped me to learn life
Amazing! No words to describe you sir 🙏
Thank you for walking by me
"have you ever thought about what is thinking?"
and i slowly sink down the rabbit hole... lol
Changed my way of watching the world automatically after started reading JK's books.
Excellent Words On Thinking and Source of Thought.. Thank you Very much Sir
Beautiful man.
The most beautiful thing in this video is BIRDS CHIRPING along with jiddu krishna murthy words....
Very depth to listen and to understand
very great talk
Thank you
Awe struck
JK Sir, You are not in the world right now but your video I have watched just now and your words are in me as an experience. This great man stopped with 'Right Sirs' From then I would like to add to the people who want to get freedom from thought. When we really don't know what to say correctly then intentionally or unintentionally we use 'LOGICAL FALLACIES' so we don't mean what we say. This will ruin our personality. So it's good to say, 'I don't know.' I really don't know what I have written here is really right enough. Thank you
There is nothing sacred thought has created ❤
Thank you 🍀
Yeah this man is.. amazing.. I love how he gets frustrated.. you can see the pain in his face.. that some just don’t get it...
This wonderfull human being is my Master all over my way of Live and my mission work, from 25 years
Thank you for everithing
Great man 🙏🏻
As beautiful as it can be.
Absolute explanation
Fantastic
Thanks a lot 😁
Humanity's ultimate psychologist! Parallel to this is S's (Buddha) describing thoughts have 16 levels by the time we're AWARE of them and the famous " all phenomena are created by hearts" 2600 years ago. Choiceless awareness in NOW will lead us into this pathless land that sages trod but hard for us to ponder.
So here we are .... Hello.
On the Beam!! Seeing so clearly. What Peace.. Not Knowing!!
I find it very interested in all thee talking information!
Absolutely most beautiful words by a Master. Master tried to make us aware about this thought process so compassionately. But unfortunately I understood that intellectually. Someday (unfortunately I have to use this word) I wish we all be that silence when our being understands this thought process and all the vicious circle we create around that thought.
Santosh N Find out, take few minutes of your busy day, take a small walk, sit down and be quite, and pay attention whats going on inside and the the outside, do it.
Master naster karna chod de bhai. J.k ne kisi ko kutta nhi bnaya h.
You are right. Intellectual thoughts are needed for skills. However psychological freedom leads to love and compassion coming naturally. It requires awareness, thought had no place in this.
Hallelujah
Sooo deep!
When the knower the known and the knowledge merge into one pure bliss is attained
Or is it rather when none of those concepts exist any longer?
What a statement,”I Don’t know mean I really don’t know “beauty beauty and beauty ❤️❤️👏👏👏👏👏👏yes it’s work 🙌🙌🙌😄🙌🙌
❤Krishnamurthy
All one can say is thank you :-)
Memory is knowledge..........
knowledge is experience.......
That's a fact..
simple explanation about Thinking..
OM... Thank you
Hi Robert!
very deep knowledge .....
Guiding / Enlightening / Empowering.......
Thougth-> memory-> knowledge->experience 11:10
If one looks at thinking it stops. thats what made it so hard to observe. Little quantity and hi quality may be the key.
J..K. at home, the crows. are nice
Yes, it is a conundrum. It seems the tricky part comes from what is doing the looking; is it not itself a creation of thought? Perhaps there is something else altogether, and far more meaningful, to allow the brain to be in a full state of the unknown, not with one foot in the known which seems to stir up fear and resistance. One wonders what it is like to be in this state, for even just a moment.
+Scot Smith Looking and knowing (or thinking) seem to be mutually exclusive, in the sense they share the energies of attention and cannot both be strong at the same moment. The source of it all can't be described - it is truly the unknown - and, confounded by this limitation, thought projects a hypothetical knowable entity in its place. In contrast, looking is energised by the openness of not-knowing and suppressed by the certainty of knowledge. But thought has usurped looking, absorbing an increasing share of attention into its fabrications and having little patience for the unknown. The only way out is to trust in the order of things as they already are, rather than in the sense of incompleteness (and hoped-for future completeness) that accompanies the projections and frustrations of thought. Not-knowing is the natural background of all existence, consciousness arises in this naturally, and knowing is also natural and spontaneous when not obsessing over its projections.
Great information
thank you for the excellent clarity
He with the insight and mercy of an enlightened one, gave the key, everyone, anyone, can relate to a time when they didn't know: the brain at that time, stops. The key is not to know... to remain and only leave when needed. The purity of that state, the bliss the subtlety of that state is what he shared.
A silent mind beyond thoughts is sacred .Beautiful
Lovely beautiful 😘😘🙏🙏
Consciousness is the source of thoughts.
He with the insight and mercy of an enlightened one, gave the key, everyone, anyone, can relate to a time when they didn't know: the brain at that time, stops. The key is not to know... to remain and only leave when needed. The purity of that state, the bliss the subtlety of that state is what he shared.
Que palavras lindas!
Yes sir!
So much pumped after this video! Can’t wait to apply this knowledge in my life!
Some ideas how one may apply this, use i dont know as a tool, like if you are struct with overthinking about any stuff, just say i dont know to yourself regarding the topic of worry.
Brain will stop the over entanglement, then you can start thinking what can be done, etc, but one can always use i dont know as brakes to stop when brain starts falling into a thinking cycle
wow
It's a nervous reaction. From the memory.
I am not trying to joke or anything, but I can get my mind to that state for few moments, but that's exactly when I feel sleepy
sleep well!
Yes it happens
வினா எண் 8: எண்ணங்களின் ஊற்றுக்கண் எது? அதை சென்றடைவது எங்ஙனம்? எண்ணங்களின் ஊற்றுக்கண்ணை சென்றடைவதினால் எண்ணங்கள் ஒழிந்த நிலையெய்தும் சாத்தியம் உண்டல்லவா?
இது ஒரு தவறான வினா. ஐயா, நான் உங்களை கேட்கிறேன். எண்ணுதல் என்றால் என்ன?நாள் முழுவதும் அதை செய்கிறீர்கள் இல்லையா?நீங்கள் அலுவலகம் செல்லும்போது, கோயில் செல்லும்போது,நீங்கள் பேசும்போது, நீங்கள் அழிச்செயலாகும் போது.
எண்ணுதல் என்றால் என்ன?ஐயா!மேலே சொல்லுங்கள்! எண்ணுதல் பற்றி எப்பொழுதேனும் நீங்கள் எண்ணியதுண்டா? எண்ணம் இயங்கும் வழி என்ன? நாம் மெல்ல தொடங்கலாம்.
எண்ணுதல் என்றால் என்ன?
எதை எண்ணுவது என்றல்ல
நீங்கள் எதை எண்ணுகிறீர்கள் என்றல்ல
எண்ணம் எதை செய்ய வேண்டும், கூடாது என்றல்ல
எண்ணுதல் என்றால் என்ன என்பதே நம் வினா.
Listen to him carefully always till the end and there is nothing left. But if you really and attentively listen to him.
I bow to thee
I find that after I meditated for a long time my mind wants to be very active. It tries to and is often successful in chattering away. I can see what is meant when the ego is talked about as being in opposition to the quieting of the mind (i.e ego).
He mentions that our gods are created by our thoughts. The same reasoning means that there is real power in the various frequencies that are generally believed to have various effects on us.
In meditation...there is no meditator
Mind chatters so let it! The mind cannot know Truth. But what you can do (paradoxically as the mind talks to the mind) is gently explain to the mind that it cannot know but the heart that is connected does know and then focus on the heart and the mind becomes quiet through understanding.