How do you receive something that's beyond the mind? | J. Krishnamurti
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How do you receive something that's beyond the mind? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the seventh small group discussion in Malibu, 1970.
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How compassionate people they are!! Who make those precious content available for us to understand the truth. Deeply appreciate!
Indeed
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You need not to understand anything but you only need to recite and not to look for rational thinking beyond kuran else you are not a muslim.
@@thakurboys5962 it's because of this primitive thinking the whole humanity is suffering today...!!
Kuran was written by some tribals and was applicable only for those times...!!
I really loved your comment. You are truly a compassionate and a loving being filled with gratitude goodwill and loving kindness. The world needs more people like you. May you always be happy my friend.
"You don't have to run after God, God runs after you". I am absolutey floored by this truth. So profoundly powerful.
and he means god figuratively, not literally. Consciousness is what he speaks of.
Words doesn't get meanings, meanings get words.
His last words reminded me one of Rumi's quotes "What you seek is seeking you"
What you seek is you. There is no seeking without you therefore that which is seeking you is nonsense. No thing or no one can seeking you without you. It must be clear to understand. Then what you seek never be able to seeking you.
I felt same
"What you're looking for is where you're looking from"
What you seek is projection of your own mind! And That's not at all what K is saying!
@@5xing8gua Spot on. That Rumi quote and other similar to it are utter rubbish.
The highest order comes when one went through oneself, the past is cleared, and so the mind is quiet, doesn't seek, very sensitive, alert ...sane, whole ...and live on moment by moment, expecting not a thing, accumulating not a thing .....
It is such a beautiful lesson: Acceptance without waiting or expecting seems to be so simple but at the same time so elusive for the mind...Just the privilege of finding that state of natural grace is the best gift that a person could enjoy....The wisdom of this man is admirable. Thanks for sharing
Nay, the mind cannot accept because it's very mature is non-acceptance. Peace and Love. yishmirai
Correction: nature instead of mature
so powerful
Immortal krishnamurti ❤️💎
"Just try it Sir! Don't wait, live every moment with an empty mind."
how? the writer has done observation of every single thought that came to its head for hours and there was very quite like never before and everything around was peaceful and beautiful, but the mind never came the end, every time i observe my thoughts i can feel what the speaker says about looking at something without giving to it a description and seeing it beauty,and but the writer's mind always go back to Ego mode, must the writer to just keep trying until it will become quite? not by wafting but by giving complete attention &
@@noone5461 Yes writer should keep trying until it becomes quiet
@@noone5461 Writer needs to just allow and quit trying.
@@noone5461 Through contemplation, questioning the observer. When time is right it happens as a flip of a switch. After that your thoughts starts appearing like a character in a 3D picture. Then your mind becomes completely quite. You lose emotion what thought had attached to a memory. Everything start appearing like an event.
Yaa he hai said free of past and work for that..
"The eye with which I see God is the same with which God sees me. My eye and God's eye is one eye, and one sight, and one knowledge, and one love"
👌😍👏..🤝 with Mr. Krisnamurti's statement on "..meditation....and therefore no accumulation ever.."..How marvelous it is..🌹💐🌻💐🌹2 Mr. Krisnamurti..Sadly 😔😔, he was no longer around to give more of his valuable teachings..We need more of Mr. Krisnamurti's style's of education..Hard to understand@ 1st; however, if one CAN Understand and Live it..Aaaahhhh..😊💡😊..How wonderful life is 🌈🌝☀🌌☁..😉😁..🙈🐸🙉..
At the end, it is powerful indeed... a person with such wisdom.. simply wow..
Greatest teacher of all time
On many senses, the last sentence is an out of time lesson for every human being.
Thanks for uploading this gift =)
Thank you 🙏🏼
In this talk Maitreya is glowing, so energetic and alive.
What do you know about Maitreya? Nothing most likely.
@@Crete1943What did you know?
Who is Maitreya ?
Try to do it sir, you ll see the beauty of it...what else words we need from great K
Doing is the problem my brother. Peace and Love, yishmirai
I got there one time, into that still silence of the mind, and even though I wasn’t expecting anything from the meditation session, and even though my room was dark, I saw a flash of light, almost as bright as the sun and the word “WHOLENESS” came to me which shook my whole body.
It is an incredible place within the self to find yourself.
Thank you Krishnamurti for explaining it perfectly.
Once ?
Any use of substance ?
Where which place?
Has happened to me once as well, I think I identified myself with that light that's why I lost it
🤣🤣 it can't be seen it can't be experienced that's why it is not market thing
Once… many people “experience” it once : in nature or meditation or even in intense difficult times …. Experience is meaningless.
I think what JK is trying to say is that without love in the right sense (I.e. unconditional love and compassion; without jealousy, pleasure etc), then everything has very little meaning. Even if we are able to achieve a mind which is completely empty, and free from the past and memories, there is no point if there is no love in the right sense. To receive something that’s beyond the mind, we should not be seeking, waiting, expecting or hoping, but to live our lives with love in the right sense, helping others with unconditional love.
Well said. I appreciate your "love in the right sense". But better to say "I love you" without left "I" and right "you" )))
JK rocks and rolls 😜
Have you received it?
When you do completely empty your content of consciousness then there is love. Love is when you are not (K. said once too I think).
Perfect !
Humble gratitude for the video. 🙏🏽
These Malibu Talks of K. give me the most
A gem in the internet. Thank you .
" How does the other happen !! "
WOW ! 🔥🎼
The best channel
Thank you
My god... The profound knowledge he has... ❤
Great master indeed . My salute
The last sentence.... Thank you.
Impecable ❤
In me, this reflects as "the culmination of Krishnamurti" ... so deep joy in listening, walking with him.
Greatest one
thanks for showing us the !!!!!!!!
Man what a genius.... Thanx 🇮🇳
oh the last 10 seconds .Thank you very grateful .
Do you understand it completely? I think nobody can, at our level of consciousness.
Ultimate
I love this being ❤
An egoistic person can never receive something that's beyond the mind🙏
The beauty of self enquiry style meditation is that when the egoistic person turns around and looks ar the snake, persistent observation will reveal it to be a rope. Another metaphor is to use a thorn to remove a thorn. The whole point of zen koans is likewise to strain the mind so that it enters the intuitive
Words cannot express the feelings
My feelings you cannot feel
Bcoz to sense it u should have proper instrument
Clean n Clear as it is
Everything is beyond the mind, and also in the mind
What's ego?
Everything is the mind.
Thank you sir 😊
Thanks a lot
Amazing. The editor of this clip has done a marvelous 'work' in doing a good job.
Really? It feels like we're arriving in the middle of something
The god that we follow or think or pray is the impediment to reach it..its like god is blocking god.. inside the field of thought.. His rational explanation is something extraordinary and only a true teacher or rather “teaching” can do. Thanks to technology.. youtube , and the people who present these videos.
Among the two most important philosophers of all time.
Master🙏
BENDICION ETERNA
I have often wondered why others are so limited in mind...The mind is a reflection of past, present, and future. If you think your mind is just an organ, then you will find limits to your understanding...once you abandon this limited thinking you will be free. So, yes the mind is already free, but you have been lead to believe otherwise.
The basic question, I guess, is how do you create distance between your self, and all the goings on in the mind, and observe it all without self-referral and analysis.
Don't forget to ask who's creating the distance big brother.
Peace and love, yishmirai.
@@yishmiraibenisrael8771 Yes indeed! you can ask "who does this?", "who feels this pain?" and so on. And it is productive! If one isn't referring to the self and engaging the ego what-so-ever.
Which is very difficult. But it is just a step beyond!
Then, you will first of all experience presence. And that's good enough.
A whole lot of paths and experiences are available once you grasp presence.
The ending of suffering however? now that requires real grit! don't let anyone fool you! get serious about it!
You asking how to unlearn all the teachings you have gathered and how to cancel your experience.
There is no way.
They only solution is to stop pretending to have self. Who can proceed in this? Nobody can. So becoming nobody with or without socially acceptable name, language, behavior is the only way to be. The choice is: to be nobody (literally no thing) or to be some thing is most general choice in one's life. You born as nobody then name given, language and other things are imposed to the screen of your being. When you die, the mirror must be empty. But one who believes in life after death makes oneself into broken mirror which does not show any thing in its wholeness but reflects bits and pieces of imaginary or even worse - it emits its own light and sound as TV does. That kind of mirrors are usually dismissed and thrown away. Or repaired, polished back to their original state. There is no use of distancing from broken or hazed mirror - it won't work at any distance.
"how do you create distance between your self" - you simple throw away self or just cease to feed attention to impressions instead of keep attention free of misuse.
@@2DReanimation seriously?
Yeahh❤️❤️❤️ he's my greatest Frnd of all time
If we summarize the talk in one line, Krishnamurti jee may want to say if nothing is left in mind, ie mind fully empty than only Love will be there . 🙏
Mind= accumulation of images and memories.
"The other seek such a mind out."
Ye, even as the Prince seeks out Sleeping Beauty. Peace and Love, my friend. yishmirai
The nameless can be revealed solely to a mind that is still and motionless, which is the outcome of realizing that any further inquiry is futile.
I did not understand what it means...can anyone explain ?
@@pratikpatil6342 sadly nobody answered. A year has passed. I'll try it: as I am reading a biography about him, I can understand that he means some kind of divine force. he described it often as "it" or "th other". When one hears K. giving talks, you would not expect such an mystical thing ... but he went through many mystical processes in his life and experienced somthing divine ... outside of himself: "it" or "the other". .... this "other" seeks such a mind out
@@pratikpatil6342 "The other seek such a mind out".
Means, when your mind is silent, the nameless or universal pure energy enters your mind effortlessly and without inviting.
THIS IS BEYOND ME, BUT I WILL NOT SEEK IT, AND IT WILL COME. ORDER COMES THEN ITS ENOUGH.
I receive the TRUTH when I'm not in TIME and when there is NO MIND!
This is heavy stuff! The real thing... oh yes!
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
It seems like one has to be willing to be vulnerable to the unknown moment and the unknown future. Throw off assumptions and still be aware of the risk of being manipulated by the conditioning of the mind itself and the mind of others. There seems to an unconscious intelligence that must be trusted to be fully present.
Anyway I really appreciate Krishnamurti's insight.
🔥🔥🔥
5:11 that little chuckle 😁. He said so often: you can sit cross leged for the rest of your life and that won't bring about change. Guess it amused him to say that that poor government man had it *and* was sitting cross leged at the same time.
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that ending with that little laugh 😄🙂
Only an undivided mind can receive that which is undivided: Love (as jk puts it, in the right sense of the word)
❤
天啊 好高歐 .... 好想陪伴你@^@!
At the end K refers to the Buddhahood. When you give up everything, stop further seeking, no possessive mind, no desires, no attachment, no conflicts, no accumulation, the other thing seeks you and enters your mind - the Buddhahood.
Test the spirits...what exactly is that is seeking to enter you ..!!!
Can't be done, i'm afraid, at least by the majority of us. Thought rules us, except for those who have a condition called aphantasia/anauralia. There are thousands of people like this, they have no 'inner voice', no 'thought', a silent mind. When i heard them explain their mental processes on UA-cam, i understood, after 20 years, what K was talking about. i believe K had that condition, maybe Buddha too.
there is only here now, love is not an emotion love is pure awarenes , the body itself is thought. stay out of your mind
Mind cannot see in the same way teeth cannot bite itself, eye cannot see itself or ear cannot hear itself. An emptied mind reveals the beyond. From there a fresh and new mind can arise. Any action from the actual mind is an action of memory and prejudices, completely burdened in the past. A fresh mind is born and die from moment to moment, otherwise will build a wall of sorrow, will remain attached to the past.
um grande misterio foi revelado a humanidade...
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You must let go of what you have in order to receive anything else.
And also let go of the
one who let's go. Peace and Love, yishmirai
Very rare to hear K use the word God in this way.
Yes, it is something that he has avoided like hell! (Bad joke but a fact)
It's like Oneself being NONEXISTANTANT...and let the space(kinetic vacume) Create... Buildup... Shape up.... Or to say.... Fall in place
Yes but that shouldn't be just simple waiting
But what we do being non existant?
Through attention on unselfish service
JK the true master😇
no seeking, it comes after you...
freedom from known is death
Between the pauses of maitraya ,you experience the the thing {(vastu)beyond the mind.👌💐
K. Makes the question for the listener to answer it for himself. After observing, then understanding, then accepting one self after that a peaceful quietness comes. But there is still something missing in life. K. Says (if I understood correctly) that extra thing can't be an idea or an experience because it would be a projection of our own mind. So it is something that comes to you (stating that there is such a thing). So, how does that happen? Does it happen after internal peace and order; and after understanding the real meaning of love and compassion? Are there other aspects to be understood? If someone could share a light on this, that would be wonderful.
Deja vu, my brother, deja vu. Peace and love, yishmirai.
Why is something missing?
If you live in the present time in the heart, where the soul is located and the Ego cannot go in, you do not use your brain, it is impossible. Then you are just there, doing what you are supposed to do as you have this intuition coming to you. We need to live in the "here and now" and should you need to come back into your heart 2000 times a day, you just do it. After a while, many years, it becomes a way of living, by letting "that" do the work. I will watch his other videos on what he says about our outside world as we are connecting to it and we need to let it go....
@@mahiragauthier1194 why you have written impossible? Spelling mistake?
You don't receive IT. IT receives you.
I often wonder is it possible to describe everything with words. Science develops because they have books from which new scientists read and learn to think. But that doesn't seems to be the case with "spirituality".
I guess in spirituality your only teacher is your heart, soul, core, self or whatever you want to call it. :)
And god but for god there are also many words and I believe that god can be found within. I still have a lot to “learn” though
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with Waiting you become tawdry,
with Seeking you become expectant
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when with Mind free of past or all accumulations, then you become Available,
the Other seeks that mind out!
the God runs after you [JK laughs]
7:17 . . . my notes
A lot is said about quieting the mind, by many teachers and books, etc. And that is a good thing because a quiet mind ( while blissfully peaceful for the individual themselves ) is a prerequisite to what is beyond. Just achieving that quiet mind is wonderful. But once the mind is quiet what is beyond that, what should one seek once the mind is quiet ?
9:50 But he says don’t ‘seek’ to ‘experience’, as that creates dualism ~ he says to wipe it all out.
11:08 So what then ?
Empty, with no accumulation
So rather than waiting, hoping, expecting or seeking - Does one sit with a quiet mind is a stateless state of curiosity ~ wondering what more can be realized ? But not even thinking ( insisting ) that there is anything more to be realized ?
Ratzon, the infinite without a beginning, ohr
scales used to measure the cup you give will be the same scales used to measure the cup you are given.
Bhagavatgeetha, last chapter is comprehended line
'Choosing the right over the pleasant is a sign of power'
Right! conformity or nonconfirmity of the mind?, Dominance of experienced mind? or, decision of the quiet part of the mind?
Will
Quiet part of the mind that observes, accepts, rejects, eliminates, indulges, orders correction and a change, master in it's own place capable of self empire.
Sri Aurobindo
It's the cooking intuition , the silent mind of JK has been doing.
Its funny! It looks like he was sitting on another planet :-)
You recieve it without a sense of recieving.
Please provide the full video
10:00
Could i please have a link to the full video?
Understanding even a sentence is very difficult yet curiosity is still there since seventies the years of peak performance and marriage. EMPTY mind is devil's FACTORY was common saying of those times to keep us busy. Does this TALK is about touching the " TOUCH SPACE " kind of thing where one and only which is and can not be lonely that itself is a kind of craving or desire or EGO and emptiness as well is not there become a bliss of or state of " BEING NOTHING ".
THANKS.
I can make a perfect Circle
by not trying
Has the mind come to this point of no accumulation at all ?
Then the other seeks such a mind out.
You don't need to run after God, god runs after you.
what does then the other seeks such a mind out means?
It's bargaining... But, what? With whom? Would be kind enough to explore it if any talk is available of J. Krishnamurti?
So stop of seeking comes threw understanding and not threw practicing "stop seeking". You stop seeking and you also you forget the idea of it
Too much discussion, also deadens the mind.
Don't be too much in your head all the time.
Enjoy the freshness of the breeze in the morning in beautiful landscape, listen to the chirping of the birds,, feel the stillness of the moment,
That life force in the form of oneness pervading everywhere,
Taste that life daily. You will experience the joy which will be wordless
This was too much.
It's already there?
Oh no no no😊
It is coincidence, I must have been in need reach to listen to his words..
Thanks. To watch the whole of this 7th discussion : ua-cam.com/video/rPWePImZdXE/v-deo.html
Hahahaha what an open minded genius.
It seems K. has glimpsed something about the human psyche, mental activity. Without this insight we are trapped by existing conditioning. In this we want an experience of what K. describes - but the description is not the described. How can we understand, discover this insight or is it beyond us? Perhaps if the question is asked with 'upmost' energy demanding what is it to be conscious, how does the sensation of existence take place, and constantly pursue this question without accepting the answers until 'truth' appears. Truth having no alternative.
from what i have understood from JK it is not beyond you......it is beyond the mind
How does someone get this, “order”?
i don t get this answer but ok