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THE BOYS Is Kinda Concerning
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- The Boys season 4 feels so off. It still has entertainment but there are some things that seem... just off
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Outro Music - "Cradles by Sub Urban"
I just like to point out the fact that ambrosia could’ve just slipped through the cracks beneath the door
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They're beak would not have fit though D:
Um I think that the deep was blocking the bottom of the door🤔🤔🤔
@@goldengodBnW there’s no way he was blocking the entire thing though
@@LJCastanobut at this part 2:40 he has his arms down he could block the narrow amount of space by keeping his hands across the bottom, I mean the door isnt super wide right🤔 is it🤔
i love how Kripke and the writing team absolutely hates Trump but as soon as Trump gets shot in the ear they immediately backtrack and put a disclaimer/change the finale episode title. You’re gonna make fun of MAGA and compare Trump to Homelander (a murdering rapist) but take it back once something bad happens to him irl, like pick a side maybe? Also love how much the show makes fun of how corporations use politics to make consumers buy their stuff when the show is literally funded by Amazon 😂
We see her survive out of water and die immediately out of water in the same episode. That isn't bad writing, that is horrible writing.
I’m not octopus expert but I heard someone said it was cause they need to prepare to surface out of water, basically hold their breath, but since it was so sudden, she had no time and died quickly
I think she was being overdramatic about how dire her situation was to get his attention. She probably died like 30 minutes later.
@@kyle--859that sounds possible. Maybe she acted that dramatically to ensure that Deep would still be within earshot and potentially help? As opposed to storming off, which would basically guarantee that he wouldn’t return until hours later?
It doesn't matter what people say, yes it is bad writing.
I cared more about Ambrosia than Frenchie, his butt buddy, Kimiko's childhood fremeny, Ryan, Annie "Joan" Rivers, A-Train, Hughie's dad, or anyone else on this show besides Firecracker. I'm not even conservative; I just hate the writers of this show that much.
Whats funny that there are people who respond this valid criticism with "this show is mocking you"
That seems to be a common internet comeback. "If you disagree, you're what the thing is making fun of!"
@@MyCLAUDIO123456 Also 'it was always like this!' as if the writing was always bad.
@@plasmabeamgamesYup. Been around for a bit, but I think Barbie reeeeally popularised it. Very lazy cop out.
Maybe. But it is what it is.
@@MyCLAUDIO123456 I genuinely find the boys kind of funny because while the show is mocking or morally grandstanding on one hand It's extremely disgusting on the other. Like guys I'm not taking moral lessons from degenerates stop it lol.
One of my big issues with the show is that it feels like they are constantly trying to be more gory and shocking every single episode, and I am so sick of the fans saying "just say your soft" and stuff like that, like damn bro I'm sorry I don't laugh and cheer at people being torn apart in insane detail
You’re soft and triggered
yeah, its kinda donned on me that nobody simply gets injured.... either the character explodes in a bloody mess, or they'll be ok by next episode. The stakes don't feel as high as they feel like they should. This whole season just lacked a lot of impact for me.
@S1llyRaccoon what's worse is that they'll call you soft for not liking the edginess of the show, then complain about the comic being edgy. The hypocrisy.
Personally, I think the comic is good, and it might be better than the show in plenty of aspects. Like how they didn't treat Hughie's SA as a joke.
@@erikpngPeople dislike the edge in the comics cause it's just edgy just for the sake of it and the villains barely have character besides being super evil.
@blacksmoke6292 same with the show? Tell me something about Termite besides the fact that he does drugs and likes to climb holes? Or Splinter.
Of course, the unimportant supes won't get much characterization, as the story does not require it.
Yet, The Seven, Payback, and the G-Men do get the characterization necessary. Even super duper, which might shock you, it's composed of good superheroes.
Homelander including groomers in his propaganda can be combined with Firecracker's propaganda. She falsely accused Starlighters of pedophilia, so Homelander's message can result in people reporting Starlighters. Also, it's not like Homelander is wrong about literally everything. He was right when he said that the lab employees could've said no to torturing him as a child. And in season 3, he fought to protect Ryan from Soldier Boy.
It's just the writing at this point is so blatantly copying Fox News without any thought of decent polishing in this world, It's becoming embarrassing.
@joshuacr no it isnt. Watch the episodes again.
Its overly political, but thats what its always has been. The real problem is storylines that dont go anywhere, hidden filler and overly shocking without substance
Yeah its just they're making fun of how everyone who disagrees with Right wing propaganda the right wing accuses of being a pedo...just because some people don't wanna get screwed over by rich people doesn't automatically make them a pedo...which is contrary to what the right wing would like you to believe
@@Sleepyleviyes the show has indeed always been political, but it never picked sides and was always unbiased until now.
@cyphoah8748 nah. It was very clearly always on the left side. It's a lot more on the nose now but that's because this is currently a wild time we are living in
😢😢😢 Deep killed his octopus lover, she was the only one who genuinely loved him
What an absolute idiot deep is
GREAT AITEORI THE BOYS SEASON FOUR DISASTER.
@@Tallacus dude it made me so sad😭nobody i know understands how painful that scene was to watch
@@XDevonBuenoI don't care if a show moment is extremely painful, I just want you know, writing that actually makes sense compared to things that happened in the past and the way the character is now. Neither were done here.
@@joshuacr it made sense to me, ambrosius died because she didnt get a chance to hold her breath. also its fine that you dont care that its painful, but its actually tragic to anyone who was invested in the story. the boys is full of often unnecessary shock value but ambrosius was actually a well written character. she was the only one who treated deep like a human and respected him and showed him true love. deep gave all of that up and killed her because of the pressure his job and society put on him. its legitimately sad that they couldn't be together, because at the end of the day they were legitimately in love, its the one time i legitimately think an interspecial relationship works in a show, on actually making me feel something. and it made other people feel something too. Hearing her die and seeing deeps face as it happened, it was a parody of a soap opera and yet legitimately tragic within itself, and honestly i think thats kind of brilliant.
I think a big issue is also that Hollywood already has a bad reputation with children being harmed and trafficked
Also Homelander kind of felt like he had filler episodes this season. He says that he's tired of sycophants and pple kissing his ass all the time, so he finds S. Sage, someone who stands up to him and tells her opinions. Later on, he ends up siding with Firecracker who's a super ass kisser and then fires Sage?
He said he wanted to stop his need for love and attention before murdering those scientists, but then Firecracker uses that to easily influence him? What was the point then? HL had no development this season.
If you haven't got it yet, this is about Trump and the hypocrisy he does (for example, drain the swamp,) reflected in Homelander in the action he does. Moving on.
I called this by Ep4. Everyone said it wasn't filler but was working on pivotal character development to set Homelander free. Meanwhile the next two episodes, he's gone right back to muh dependent manchild.
@@TheStraightestWhitest sounds like he really can't develop at all because of his childlike pride. Idk if this is what the writers were going for.
@@TheStraightestWhitest that is the episode where I rage quit. What Homelander did wasn't necessary and made him look generic and cartoonishly evil. Everyone knows from season 3 that he was a test tube supe via Soldier Boy, so there was no pay off other than predictable gore scenes of no substance or telling us anything new about him.
Meanwhile, The Boys are now a disjointed and boring team. Their subplots devolves them into characters IDC about anymore.
@keithnayo4582
To be fair, that's not bad writing; that's Homelander being consistently unable to mature and move past his issues. He did trust Sage, but it's not her opinions he disliked, it was her lack of loyalty. You can be loyal to someone while being honest, and Firecracker was honest to Homelander, even if she's also too obedient. He doesn't even like Firecracker, but he respects her loyalty because he's never had a friend or loved one in his life before. So basically, Homelander is using Sage and Firecracker as surrogate mommies (to the point of Firecracker literally breast feeding him) but he now sees Sage as a bad mom who can't "love her child."
The rest of the season has legitimate issues, though. The Frenchie storyline destroyed three seasons of character buildup with Frenchie and Kimiko and they won't be able to repair that damage in the last two episodes of the season. No one cared about Hughie's dad, either. A-Train has been one of the biggest assholes in the show, but gets a redemption arc, while straight white male Deep gets a full heel turn because "can't have a good straight white guy on the show." Butcher has become neutered, MM has become a super-cuck weak little coward, and Annie is the least liked character on the show, even more than Ashley.
Kimiko and Ambrosia the Octopus are the only two likable characters on the show. Firecracker is sympathetic, but not genuinely liked. And Sage is such wasted potential and her being "the smartest person in the world" just amounts to her gaslighting and manipulating people in very obvious ways. They really nuked this series this year, even after season three's "toxic masculinity" BS with Soldier Boy.
Poor Hughie, all that trauma just to be laughed at by the showrunner
I miss when Hughie was the main character, he barely does anything this season and they fridged his dad.
@@stelmaria-mx it’s a television show shut the fuck up😂
It’s a television show retard😭💀
I didn't get how him fighting was a big deal and a "boy to man moment" that they tried to frame it as, when he literally blew up a Supe in season 1, then standing up to Butcher, making peace with him etc etc.
And on top of that....sigh.....episode 6....wtf was that
I miss when Hughie was a legitimately strong character that faced impossible odds head on and was very rootable. This season, 2 and 3 he's just pathetic and that's about it.
Another thing I want to point out is how A-Train fighting Deep. Like why did Deep even last remotely that long against a literal speedster? We literally saw A-Train statue Starlight in bullet time when he used his super speed, so how is it even remotely possible Deep was able to throw even a single punch at A-Train before getting punched in the gills 600 times?
i think it would have been a really cool cene if the deep attempted to punch a-train but then we saw things from a-train's perspective as the deep slows down and then a-train punches the deeps hand away breaking it instantly
HE KILLED HER BECAUSE HE WAS ASHAMED OF HER
HE LITERALLY HAD HER IN THE CLOSET
On top of that he likes fucking sister sage because she makes him feel superior as a super
@@DaniBeee420 homelander would of made him eat her
I was thinking that while watching...it's a gay-shame analogy. He also went to a Christian-camp to reform his behavior which has parallels to the pray-gay-away centers.
You know what, fair enough, that is clever symbolism, but the insta-death out of the water is strange and is distracting from the symbolism the writers were trying to convey. Or did she also die from shame?
So what the show is suggesting is that beastiality is ok and you shouldn’t be ashamed of it? Since the viewer is supposed to hate Deep bc of everything he’s done, should we hate him now that he didn’t choose to go public about actually being into animals? This show has some of the most degenerate writers ngl.
Yes, the script went bananas really fast this season. But shttttt don't tell it to the fanboys.
My favourite is Homelander, not because he is endearing, redeemable or sympathetic, but because he is interesting, and his actor steals the show everytime he is on screen.
This. That actor is incredible!
Homelander is the perfect villain to root against. The method to his madness and schemes makes him a demanding presence whenever he's on scene. He doesn't come across as cartoonishy evil thanks to the nuance and threat level he poses to the heroes of The Boys.
It kind of helps that whenever he's in a scene, everyone else in the scene pays attention to him too because he's the most dangerous.
And so unpredictable in some ways. I am ALWAYS expecting him to just explode everyone.
There is a difference between liking a character like Homelander and agreeing with his actions.
Fact that you like him as villain doesn't mean that you agree with his actions.
That is very true!
@miguelsantos-cd9tu Neither Kripke nor Starr seem to grasp this.
Homelander was always one of my most favorite characters in the series. I don't concur with his motivations and schemes, but he's such a intimidating and menacing force to be reckon with. Villains like that are the perfect ones to hate and we rarely get villains like Homelander in today's western TV shows.
Kripke saying that he intended Homelander as a direct analogue to Trump is also completely stupid.
Eric Kripke clearly doesn’t understand that
What??? The very idea of ANYONE in Hollywood being a PDF file or a groomer is PREPOSTEROUS....*
* Sarcasm
On today’s episode of “the Writers’ barely disguised fetish…”
Or in Star Trek's case, Alex Kurtzman's obvious fetish
It ain’t that deep bro
@@unpaidprodigy0179 Yes, it's not deep. It's a very surface level shock content without any substance.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p r/whoosh
@@unpaidprodigy0179 True, it isn't deep at all. It's very shallow in fact.
The thing is, these show-writers think they're clever when they criticize religion and right-wingers, when in reality, people tuned in for the likes of Homelander, Soldier Boy, and Butcher. All the gross sex humor and Republican-bashing is at best, ignored, at worst, people think it's cringy. Now Butcher is sick, Soldier Boy is in stasis, Homelander is losing his crap, so the show is at a third of its potential in the eyes of the public.
So there’s actually a valid reason as to why Ambrosius suffocated to death so fast despite having been out of the water before. Octopi are able to function on land by sucking in water through their skin/gills to breathe in oxygen and then filtering out water to keep the oxygen they absorbed. Now when an octopus absorbs oxygen in their bodies, they can live on land for up to 30 minutes. But when they didn’t absorb much oxygen, they cannot survive out of water for long, with some only surviving for a few minutes without oxygen.
We had several hints throughout previous episodes where Ambrosius asked the Deep to put her in the bigger tank or asked him to change the water tank because it was getting dirty (which also means less oxygen was left in the tank). And for those who owned fish before, we often had to change the water in their tanks to both clean it and put in new water for the fish so they won’t suffocate to death.
Also, we don’t know how long Ambrosius was on the bed with The Deep (though it’s implied they are sharing a post-coital moment), so it’s possible she had been out after absorbing plenty of oxygen. So when the Deep suddenly busted her tank, in an already dirty tank likely low on oxygen, Ambrosius didn’t have enough time to breathe in what’s left of the oxygen in the tank. So she suffocated when the remaining oxygen fell out with the water and shattered glass.
I admit, the show was still inaccurate with how fast she suffocated when she should’ve lasted at least a few more minutes. But the show wasn’t that far off as you all think.
The idea was that time elapsed and she slowly suffocated to death but the way the episode was filmed and written was fucking piss-poor.
@ultrakaiser8547
Honestly, if the writers of this show are so immature they'd portray all conservatives in the way they do, I doubt they care enough to know facts like these about octopi, cause that would involve actually doing research and showing accurate portrayals of things, which they clearly do not care for. So your theory is likely just a coincidence.
Wait but what about the aerator?
@@MarvinPowell1 You too are also unable to grasp that people can be proficient in some subject but dumb in others.
@@ununun9995 So you're saying that even though the writers don't quite understand the nuances of politics(which they are clearly very passionate about since the whole show is about this topic at this point), but they are knowledgeable on hyper specific facts about how some species of octopi breath and survive on land?
That's a VERY interesting hill to die on.
The only character who thinks you should report an adult being inappropriate with you..
Is Homelander.
A man who was abused and groomed his entire childhood.
Huh? Everyone thinks that... WTF are you even talking about?
Groomers means gay people to those who want it to mean that (who already hate gay people) and means actual groomers to those innocent enough to believe the propaganda is honest. So it hits well with everyone expect a few propel who spect dishonesty (who already don’t like the right). It’s literally a time tested political trick. Racists and Nazis used it, but so did good people (sometimes lying is good)
But Homelander doesn’t think anything about groomers. Why would you think he wrote the puppet show? He cares about power and glory, and until this episode he had Sage and Vought using every social control trick in the box to build his power. It’s literally normal rhetoric and political skills. Plenty of examples in history and current times.
The Nazis didn’t want to kill innocent people if you believe their words and speeches, they just wanted to kill traitors, criminals, abusers, thiefs. But we today understand those were dog whistles. They know who would be blamed as criminals and monsters, so they could comfortably use neutral “everyone agrees with this” language and still hate their secret point across.
When people complain about groomers they don’t go after actual groomers or help the police get better at doing their job, they go after gay parents with children or books discussing gayness. When they consoling about welfare thief’s they don’t go after fraudsters, they go after people who literally need welfare and make laws to reduce welfare.
Some people are just too innocent at social cues and don’t have the manners to understand this way of speaking tough. Do they not have gossipy friends or family members who fight with each other underhandedly? No hidden insults, no snide comments? How do you grow up to be an adult and not been affected by indirect communication?
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu he's saying by the show's perspective only ryan saw how wrong it was
@@pauldareason Uhm everyone did except the right wingers who thought Firecracker could have all the underage sex she wanted as long as she got Jesus's forgiveness... what show are yall watching?
I've never rooted for a character more than watching Homie laser the dong off that creep.
In episode 6 the hughie sexual assault scene also really gets to me, not because of the scene itself (the boys has always included disturbing shit) but when the show runner said it was "hilarious" it really left a bad taste in my mouth. I think artists are responsible for their art, or they should be
I wonder how season 5 will play out if Trump wins.
This is an alternate reality. Take a look at the classic show The West Wing, that's when a certain George W. Bush was President, not the Democratic party.
There won't be one. Kripke will have a brain meltdown.
Haven't they already started writing season 5
If he wins? The guy was almost assassinated. Pretty certain he just won the election because of that.
I dont think the showrunners will care either way. This aint south park where its trying to reflect and parody reality on real time. Its just parody.
Ambrosia dying instantly after her tank is shattered when they showed her being completely fine outside of the water *in the same episode* REALLY bothered me, what happened with this show? The writing keeps getting worse!
I heard someone say that octopuses might have to prepare before surfacing, like holding their breath. idk tho
@@LoveyDovyy Yeah thats complete cope also Ambrosia could've made it through the door crack Octopus are weird I know.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 yeah i don’t believe it…but there’s no way they fucked up the writing that bad unintentionally
@@LoveyDovyy no?
It is my opinion what they were trying to do is you were showing Deep waiting behind the closed door *while time passed or elapsed.* But they did such a piss-poor job, even if that were so, that it looked like she was instantly suffocating when we just saw previously her on the bed talking without any fucking water and that character reading poetry to her! What a piece of shit writing scene!
2:56 that was supposed to be funny? That reminds me that the show runner thought Hughie getting assaulted was funny too. He’s got a weird sense of humor
I really hated how Homelander lied about his victim being a pedo, in an obvious parody of one of Rittenhouse's attackers being a convicted sexual predator. Are the writers trying to gaslight us into thinking that the guy wasn't a pedo? I think this is emblematic of the show's "satire" in general, about how bad the writers are at strawmanning their opponents.
Yeah that was freaking weird and tone deaf. It almost seems like they're going above and beyond to protect predators which is very disconcerting to me
@@Alteorionce again, the idea is that when you want to destroy your enemy and a movement like lgbtq or antifa you label them as sex groomers so you destroy them and the movement. That is your enemy because it's threatening your way of life even if it isn't. But yeah the way they addressed it here was ridiculously tone deaf and I am disgusted indeed!
@@joshuacryou don't need to do that with antifa tho
@@AlteoriSomeone needs to check Eric Kripke’s hard drive.
@@joshuacrYeah, but with all due respect, on the other hand, radical leftists have also labeled conservatives and even people as moderate as center-right libertarians "nazis" and "fascists" (Hell, they even called Jewish people in the right wing neonazis) Yet, the show seems to completely validate that point for them.
Yeah, the show used to be about the supes. About how absolute power corrupts absolutely. Now it's about how evil conservatives are.
The writers need to get their stuff together. I watched all of season three and the whole Soldier Boy arc amounted to nothing. They ended the season in the same place they began. It's like the last 2 seasons of GoT, or really any of the new star wars movies. They have no idea what they want to do with the existing lore. So they make stuff up without giving any thought to what came before or to what they want to do later. It's almost like they're writing each episode in a vacuum. It feels like the script meeting are "let's do something cool and figure out how it fits later. If we need to retcon, we'll retcon"
Ambrosia kind of forgot she can breathe air.
😂😂😂😂
I did that before. It happens bro
To be honest: I felt more for that octopus than anything in that stupid gay storyline with Frenchie. They may be awful writers, but I would save Ambrosia and protect her a lot more than Frenchie and his butt-buddy he screwed.
@@MarvinPowell1 funny... I came to the same conclusion before I rage quit halfway through season 4. The fact that an octopus x Deep has more tension and believability than Frenchie x nothing character (Colin) is everything wrong with The Boys.
Can't be air that we breathe octopus have gills
Your wrong about The Deep his character development for this season is that he wants to be more violent because as he said it violence is power and he is starting to see himself as Superior better than any human being or a rathful god are you even paying attention this season him killing the octopus shows how far he will go even killing sea life that's what he said to Homelander I will kill evey fish in the sea for you
She aint paying attention unless its daemon from HOD commiting terrible war crimes, abusing his wife and being a horrible person so she can just justify his actions afterwards 😂
she is so used to hating that she can't see that
The people not paying attention are the writers.
Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad was supposed to be killed off early in Season 2, but his character ended up unexpectedly being likeable, with a great performance from an actor who humanized him and made him relatable. So the character organically developed instead of the writers insisting he was a dumb, disposable side character.
With the Deep however, even though the actor is doing such a good job that he makes this flawed character sympathetic, the show keeps INSISTING that we percieve him as a bad character. He's supposed to be unforgivable, but that's not what the audience FEELS a lot of the times, which is why people are reacting this way.
Just look at Dany in the last episode of Game of Thrones. The audience knew that it was inorganic and out of character for her to behave that way, but the writers had their plans.
@@JonBo-g9y I love how you ignored the dumb way of killing off the octopus, then go off and defend terrible writing.
They get Starlight back:
[Starlight]: "Hughie, thank goodness you knew it wasn't me! How did they mess up?"
[Hughie]: "They were interested and affectionate with me."
@@Dusmiethwhi you forgot to add the audience laughing SFX because sick show runners.
@@odindarkll3706 season 4 is basically Hughie torture p@rn
@@Dusmiethwhi this entire season lacks substance and pay off. The other disturbing sex scenes didn't help the quality, either.
I feel compelled to point out that with the reveal that Starlight is the shapeshifter, episode seven is the second episode IN A ROW where Hughie gets sexualy assaulted. The legal term is called Rape By Deception, for those curious.😠
Sorry a bad person working for the bad guys did something bad “rape” to get their way. Y’all don’t complain when you see black actors in slavery movies get treated like slaves in the past in real life do but somehow when a character in a messed up world that is the boys get done bad then it’s going too far
Have you thought that maybe the reason these bad things happen to Euie isn’t just because he’s a man but cause he’s the MC?
All I’ve been hearing are complaints about woke this and woke that but no actual good reason to justify that
@@churchyll_
Please STFU with this wall of extreme idiocy and literally victim blaming SA while trying to come off as morally righteous.
@@churchyll_the previous episodes SA was portrayed as a joke
@@churchyll_ "All I’ve been hearing are complaints about woke this and woke that but no actual good reason to justify that" Because you're not looking, period.
As for the rest of your comment it's been explained already, the SA is played FOR LAUGHS. The amount of films where a black actor is portrayed as a slave for laughs is VERY small, and we all know if it was Starlight who was SA'd it wouldn't have been played for laughs.
Is it rape if ol hughie was having the time of his life 😉.
Now if it shapeshifter real form was a man then id understand
The snowrunner coming out and saying the show has always been this way and that people need to look in the mirror if they think its different is such a terrible response to fans criticism. The fact that he mistook people liking the character of homelander for them thinking he was the hero proves how out of touch he has become. I think the popularity of the show has gone to his head and if the show continues for multiple more seasons with sub par writing its going to be looked back on with a negative hue like game of thrones after season 8
Yeah I feel the same. He comes off extra cocky. What makes it even more interesting is that, based on what fans are saying, The comic AKA source material is nothing like the show and is more balanced.
This came across like someone who's saying a message and was angry when they were liking the villain and saying you're not supposed to like the villain. I'm going to make it even more clear why you have to hate these people and just instead of running off with their toys, ruined the plot because we weren't allowed to enjoy it our way.
@Alteori I really liked the comic. When I found out Kripke made Compound V temporary so that he could deal with addiction and "Toxic Masculinity", I stopped watching.
@@AlteoriIt not the showrunners, it amazon who's pushing all the politics, pushing them to say those.
Not kripke, amazon.
I always found the comeback of 'it was always like this!' realy odd. It's like they're accidentally saying 'the writing was always bad!'
Crazy how we care more about the octopus than deep
Btw I was sad when it died
I just said that to bro earlier today just out of nowhere XD
I think it’s cuz the octopus was good for the deep no matter how weird it was
I cared about the octopus because it was performed by Tilda Swinton who played her role well even at that stupid ending. Maybe if the other actor who played fake Aquaman actually had a better realistic character development, I would care for them too.
I don't think they want you to care for The Deep.
I've heard a theory that the Deep's ability actually just allows for telepathic control of aquatic animals, but the very personalities of those animals are subconsciously created by the Deep himself. That is, animals still remain simple animals with simple instincts and desires, locked in their own body, which, like a meat puppet, is controlled by the subconscious desires of the Deep, caused by his complexes and fears.
From this position, all dialogues with the octopus are a dialogue between the Deep and himself and are in no way tied to the state of the octopus itself.
Although in this theory animals suffer even more and more senselessly.
That would make a lot more sense than fish having human characteristics.
This would be such an amazing concept. I would absolutely love this to be the case. If the showrunner and writers hadn’t lost all subtly, creativity and cleverness I might even suspect it.
But it does show the deep actively controlling a whale in one episode and making snother dolphin find the flight 37 footage so obviously he can somewhat communicate with them
@@starlord7636 Yeah, we all agree he can communicate with them. Maybe Deep made the dolphin think that the Blackbox was a fish or something. But how do they communicate to him? They'd only know fish or cetacean stuff, not human concepts. Thus, Deep interprets their communications as voices he can understand, and may subconsciously embellish that communication.
It would be very cool and would be a cool callback to the shit manipulation girl from diabolical
The Jan 6th shit was so on the nose this episode made my eyes roll and I let out a "Oh brother!" 😂. What happened to subtext!
It flew over people’s heads so they had to make it crystal clear. Early Star Trek understood it and threw subtlety out the window. Same with stuff like Gate, the Golden Girls, or Mr Rogers, or all those “special” episodes from all our childhood TV shows. You can’t really rely on subtlety if you really want to be understood by most listeners, leave that for films and writing were people can go back and think slowly of the many possible meanings.
At least they picked a criticising power message and stuck to it, because hoping for everyone to get what you mean goes against the whole idea of subtlety and in this environment they were gonna end up with a loud minority of viewers coming away with a love for powerful violent dictators and a hope that their country well be led like this.
@@yucol5661Lol, it did not fly over anyone's head. It's just that the caricature they were lampooning looks nothing like the actual beliefs of the people they hate so much. That's the reason out leftist satire fails so badly; they have next to no understanding of their opponents.
They also tend to make up lies to smear the right, and then end up believing their smears are true, creating a cycle where they get ever further away from reality.
Deep is a White male. He can't be redeemed. They made A-Train and Black Noir Black despite them being White in the comics and removed A-Train trying to grape Starlight so that the Black characters could be redeemable. Deep is actually Black in the comic so the diversity quota would be reached if they kept them accurate. But A-Train being fast I guess meant he needed to be Black. Victoria is a White man in the comics. She is set up in the show as a redeemable character because she's a female POC now. Maeve has been the only redeemable white original member of the 7 from when the show started, and that is obviously because they made her a lesbian which she is not in the comic. In the comic she only had relationships with men.
The alignment to the far left in this show is so on the nose. It would be funny if this were made by a Right Winger making fun of what Leftists believe about the Right. But this is actually just Left wing pandering.
Maeve isnt lesbian thought...
@ununun9995 she's not lesbian but her relationship is a lesbian relationship.
Tomayto, tomahto.
@@BruvahSulaiman she was in relationship with a guy, the girl was her ex.
The whole point of that "relationship " was so that Vought appears progressive for the mass audience in the show.
@@ununun9995no she wasn’t. She was in a lesbian relationship, but her ex cut it off bc of the media. Meave still wanted to be with them.
@@ununun9995 You've got it backwards. Maeve was a lesbian first, dated guys to hide that fact for the media, and then when it came out that her ex was a woman Vought went faux-progressive like all big companies are want to do and decided to prop that relationship up to an obnoxious degree. At no point is Maeve not actually a lesbian.
Hughie has been being abused lately...everything okay? Because it is implied he slept with a shapeshifter unknowingly...which is weird
The actor’s father came out as a Republican. Guess Jack has to pay somehow for this sin.
The Deep is so out of character..
Old Deep would have thrown her back in the ocean, then accidentally gotten her killed by a predator or something.
The deep grew a pair in this season
But when they have those characters that are always the butt of the joke it ends up becoming a cheesy trope🤔
Character development in wrong direction -.-' I expected him to throw the Octupus bigger tank, but the water in there wasn't suitable for her. However I think they thought of that, probably wouldn't work as I expect. Not a marine expert.
Sage turned deep into the monster he always was.
Ive known people like that personally
Not true, The Deep has always been starving for attention. Sage and Homelander gave him that and he went ballistic.
Unfortunately, today we as a society have no clue of the fact, that in real life, sometimes, and evil person can also do good things. They are not the "twirling moustache with a top hat" guy always looking for something evil to do. Even looking back at the most evil leaders in history, most if not all have accomplished some things that were a positive for society. Unfortunately, that is dwarfed by the size of the negative that they achieve, not to mention it is not like a lot of writers today have any depth to their writing. Basically they just self insert, or base everything on their personal beliefs.
That’s a shameless denial of all the redeemable villains or complex villains or antiheroes that have popped up in recent media. Writers and people today if anything are more open to moral complexities and grey areas. To the point that it might be marketable. Issue is that this show is not that, it’s literally a story of bad powerful people and the underdogs. And the underdogs are pretty grey and shady btw. Starlight, Kimiko, and Frenchie are pretty dragged down by their pasts and I think Butcher will even turn evil. Even A-train and Ashley are having their reddening arc, and tons of previously evil characters have been killed trying to be good so far. Not to mention whatever ever is going on with Newman (even HOMELANDER is having his complexities explored in the show, get your head out of the “they are making homelander cartoonishly evil” and enjoy a cartoony show with lots of moral grayness)
If you think this show was painting people as all bad then you didn’t pay attention and only care about it copying culture wars stuff and having the nerve to paint the bad guy as using real life talking points. Because this show is very heavy on the no real all-good and all-evil idea
@@yucol5661 "Writers and people today if anything are more open to moral complexities and grey areas"....
Wait...Are you serious?
You say all of this as if A train isn't right there
I was expecting ambrosia to slip under the door and say"now was that necessary kevin? Are you done?"
Also I'm getting really tired of the depravity. Either gives us boobs along with the peens or ease up because clearly the shock of things is more important than development. I was down for the weird stuff if it served a purpose but there are very few moral people in this show and its become annoying.
Yeah, from the first season and blood and gore, we are arrived to shocking scenes just for the sake of shocking scenes.
That is just weird. It is pointless to the point of just being stupid.
Kripke got creepky.
The writers are complete degenerates, some of the kinky things they do are kinda funny like the Ashley stuff but then it becomes complete degeneracy with stuff that feels so out of place and just gross.
Can't show boobs on tv someone might get aroused. Obviously according to modern progressives weens can't arouse anyone so it's okay.
@@dontbeorbeevil couldnt agree more
"The comics is bad cause it's just gore and sex"
Yeah the show is gore and gay sex
Can we go back to progressive writers that actually give a damn about story and interesting characters? Like Gene Roddenberry and his team with Star Trek.
Remember when writers actually used to be consistent with their development and then stuff like Star Trek Discovery took that over? Sadly it seems like lazy writing has taken over even the Boys
Schindler's List was pretty political. Still pretty good.
When politics are involved in something that is meant for entertainment purposes, it completely ruins what it should be. It’s no longer entertaining and it becomes controversial. Like idc if you wanna vote for the old man with Dementia who can’t even stand up right bc you think it’s best for the country or not.🤦🏻♂️
@TotallyActing every show you've ever watched is political in some way, shape, or form
@@Sleepylevi not like this. The boys is just hypocritical, and riddled with political stupidity that doesn’t even add up nor make sense. It’s supposed to mock other things yet forgets that they’ve become whatever they mocked in the past.
I honestly I thought the same time about them making the left almost saying that it’s werid for to think massing around with small kids is wrong. But I mean the timing for The Boys talking about paedophiles is Hilarious with all the drama coming out with Drake and P. Diddy. Especially since people were denying this even happen for years. the timing was sooooo bad, not to mention certain teachers getting caught Doing some shady stuff with their students and then telling them not to tell their parents.
The point isn't to say reporting on bad people is wrong, the point of it is to show how such messages can be hijacked by people who don't care about the issue or partake in it themselves.
This should be obvious considering the fact that firecracker had sex with a 15 year old and yet she's still on the team and even got a spot on the puppet show
I feel like the only way you can interpret the scene the way is if your only looking on the surface level of things and refuse to go any deeper
Theory….. she didn’t pop the sheep as if she did the virus would have gone everywhere and infected her, starlight and Kimiko. Even in the barn it would have gone everywhere outside. She kinda panicked when the chickens started fighting
One of the things in our modern society that amazes me is how obsessed people are about praising unhealthy (obesity) , dangerous (permanent body altering "upgrades/downgrades"), and almost religious belief in certain modern trends as though if they are natural cult members worshiping their deity.
Excuse me, if I had kids today, I would care. And furthermore, anyone who would make fun of me for that, they would be at the top of my list to as suspects who would actually be a danger to my children.
And for the hundreds time, why is it that childless leftist people are so concerned with how others raised theirs? If it was not concerning 10 years ago, now it is just creepy. And their "oh look how stupid you are for thinking we want to indoctrinate your kid does not make it less suspicion, it does more!"
My sister took her beloved kids from public school long ago, when I wasn't even aware of these things that every left leaning moviemaker has a need to talk in every movie and show. Today, I'm just becoming to realize that very normal people worried about these dangerous trends and things that are a very real harm to their children 10-15 years ago.
Today, I can only confirm, they were right all along.
@dontbeorbeevil YES.
Tf does that have anything to do with the show
The hell are you on about???
lol. It was absolutely was a concern 10 years ago. You must have missed all the parenting fads, cries of a coming wave of undiciplined under-beaten children, cocaine babies, and fears of children not being raised right. Dungeons and dragons, music, religion, politics, clothes, all these things were panics around children. Let’s not forget all the people who have always seen all gay people as child predators who need to spread and abuse children to survive as a species. Or the century old controversy around child labour and the role of children in society.
You might choose to bury your head and dream of an innocent “everyone was good” past, but that blind trust and optimism means you’ll be the first person to deny when something bad happens in the future and to go “these people are respectable and of good chracter, they would never do such a thing. My child must be the one lying. My reputation!”
Because they think some people are abusing their children maybe? You don’t have infinite rights over your children, we did not even do that during the Middle Ages. Why should we today just abandon children to their parents? What if they have a dangerous or violent parent? What if the parent belives in never drinking water or never feeding children enough? What if their religion says you can deny medical care? What if you want them to be pretty and do cosmetic surgery? What if you force them to do pageants or force them to marry or date who you want? I mean according to you it’s your child so you should know better right?
Do you not care even a little bit how other people treat other people? Or do you believe more in not caring about society and letting parents do anything they want as long as it is accepted tradition and done in private?
Maybe you just see trans, gay, vegan parents and automatically child abuse though. In that case your point makes complete sense. But just know other people don’t believe your premise that those things are abusive or that parents who claim they are concerned aren’t actually cruel and abusive behind closed doors.
The Hughie grape scene and how the writer/showrunner spoke about it was so horrible
It was deeply concerning...yet explains SO MUCH about the Harvey Weinstien-ist of current Hollywood.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 true. They just cover stuff up and find it funny. So disgusting
Hugie liked it tho it’s not that deep
@@smartwater598 no he didn't. He was trying to guess the safe word to make it stop and its without his consent. Its grape.
I'm a Christian with a fair tolerance for satire. I mean, I watch South Park ffs... The Boys this season was just outright offensive to people like me and you can feel the burning hatred the show writers have for conservative Christians straight through the characters and dialogue. The scene that lost me for good was when Firecracker thanked Christ for leading a child into her life and making her a pedo so she can have a redemption arc. That's not satirical or fun, more of just a hate-fueled mockery and dumbing down of my beliefs in an attempt to paint Christians as evil. (Invoking the name of my God to make a pedophile joke?! Comedy????) When you're watching a tv show and can almost feel the writer whispering through the show into your ear 'I f****ing hate you and your kind' well then it ceases to be entertainment for a lot of people and I won't support it any longer. Even just from a writing perspective, the opinions are so hamfisted that you might as well be looking at the scowling joyless man behind the curtain. We could all take a lesson from Mr. Rogers when it comes to entertainment: "It's not a joke unless everyone can laugh."
Not everyone laughs at South Park. And people do use our God’s name for lots of violence and cruel ideas. You can’t really claim it as your own privilege to use the name. You can only believe and do good things yourself and can’t control what evil other people do with it.
If you get offended every time someone uses it for evil then good luck watching politicians speak or watching those priest apology speeches after the abuse a child.
The show runners don’t hate Christian’s, they hate people who dupe you all the time and do what fire Carter did to your face. But maybe you don’t get those videos sent to your church group chat like I do and you can just feel like their criticism came out of nowhere and was unwarranted and that those things don’t happen in real life. Shame on you for feeling offended because someone else shamed people doing evil things and you just felt like it must be aimed at YOU. That kind of reputation protecting mentality shields abusers and fuels division and tribalism.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the first three of the show because while it did lean slightly (or very) left wing, it still picked on both sides. The fourth season, however, is awful. It feels like they only continued the show just to hate on anyone who is even remotely right wing/conservative or Christian.
Exactly what i was thinking, they just make someone wearing a jesus custome to kill people on set, shock value humour and hate for religion for the sake of it, even morel orel a show that was a critic about religion was more smart and respectfull by showing how at the end someone can be religous and good person even after all what happend, while the boys directly hates you if you have conservative values or believe on god
It makes fun of Christians who use religion for their benefit lol
Wait, did my reply disappear?
Honestly, this season is more miss than hit. I did enjoy the V'd up sheep to be honest, it is right with Voughts purview.
When they started bashing the right wingers like they did, I just had to roll my eyes. Also can this show tone down on the god danmed sex shit?
I haven't seen the show, but I've heard many opinions about it and one of my best friends has seen it with her boyfriend, who is a fan of the show. But when I heard about the showrunner's response to the backlash Hughie's rape scene had caused, where he simply downplayed Hughie's trauma saying "Well, THAT'S a dark way to put it! We find it hilarious!", and told my friend, she was very disappointed to hear that response from him, being a survivor and long-time fan of the show herself. And as a writer who is trying my damnedest to portray this one rape subplot in my own story, including showing the horrific consequences and gradual recovery during his journey (my protagonist is a male), I found Eric Kripke's comments just disgusting. Rape is one of the worst things you can do to another person, male or female, and society as a whole has made it difficult for men and boys to come forward because they don't get taken seriously. So to see potential representation for male rape survivors get glossed over and laughed at by the showrunner, while female rape survivors still get representation that's handled with care and taken seriously (let's not forget that Starlight was sexually-assaulted in Season 1, yet her trauma was treated with care, unlike Hughie's trauma), just sickens me. And it's not just Hughie, as there have been other male rapes in the show that I heard weren't taken seriously either.
I thought we were on our way to getting past this? Why is sexual assault funny when it happens to guys? There is just no way he would have called it hilarious if it was another female character without some tremendous backlash...
I know ambrosia was supposed to be sad but… I can’t stop laughing at the exaggerated breath and he says “oh my god” or how I interpreted it “dam bitch die”
Lol it was supposed to be a mixture of both
I honestly wished the director and writers when it came to this whole world would be more open-minds because I think that is an important thing that’s needed in order for this world to feel real like it did for me in the first season, they have to view things from all sides and perspectives. How do you make a world believable if many of the people in it don’t feel believable, and I know that the right have people like you’ve seen in the show but they present it like it’s almost all of them which I don’t believe at all. I would do my research why they believe in what they believe and humanize all sides and present that in the end there are good people and some bad people wherever side your on, either having good intentions or selfish ones, there are many types of people in real life and just like I was taught about celebrity culture, can also teach what both sides want and parodying them the same but understanding that they just want to do what they think is right. I think I just want the show runners to parody real life but having the parody containing truth to it in a world with superheroes with an open-mind
I’m someone that LOVES superheroes so it was cool to see an idea of a possible reality if superheroes existed. That’s what made The Boys so great for me and enjoyable since it felt pretty real with how things happen which made the world feel like its own character in some way (since it’s an almost reflection to ours)
The rest is just what I imagined sometime ago from inspiration of this show and what I would do if I could make a spin-off:
I would love to make a show about a college student with a personality resembling Spider-Man having superpowers and genuinely a good person that wants to help people but he is in The Boys universe so he quickly realizes either by doing it himself or seeing another Sup hurt an innocent person on accident with powers and he trains himself so that no person gets hurt and that he can handle situations the best he can. He is going to make mistakes and it’s going to almost break him at times. It also makes the setting of this world great because we have seen how people can get killed with powers so it makes it terrifying when the protagonist needs to find a way to make sure no one gets hurt or killed by the villain. We also get how people would respond to him and how the media would possibly respond to him. Maybe Vought wants to hire him but he knows that he would be selling his soul for money and won’t be able to help as many people as he currently is doing. (I can imagine him being a wholesome guy helping old ladies cross the street when there is no crime happening). There is so many interesting scenarios that can happen with the people in it, the dangers, the fame, governments. All of it is there to show what could happen if there were superheroes in our world and the perspective of an actual hero who wants to bring hope and even when things feel dark and hopeless, he wants to be there to bring joy to people and to feel safe when he is there (the opposite to how the audience feels when Homelander is with normal people)
The last thing you are talking about seems like it’s going to be A-train’s arch. A regular kid figuring out that being Spider-Man is dangerous and morally complex is just any other Spider-Man. But now with injuries, no new ideas (and even then, the comics did go into injuries and colateral damage). But A-train, who has already done so many bad things, slowly figuring out how to be a decent real hero is much more complex.
Either way I think if the world felt real then all the wacky action supes stuff from this show would then feel very out of place. To do a good political comentarte that humanizes people of both sides you’d need to do a documentary or book. Their lives are just too disjointed, nonsensical, boring, and sad to make a good TV show. Nothing to make episodes from. You’ll never find stuff humanizing characters deeply unless you go for fancy deep movies that focus on one or a few characters. And those are all sad because life is sad. Not good action material. And it would inherently be propaganda cause you are discussing people’s politics and lives.
That said those exist. Just look for interviews or even better talks to real fucking propel in your life! Ask them their opinions and stuff politely if you want to see where insane misinformed ideas come from. The sources is literally at your fingertips.
I’ve seen webnovels with this same premise. But the end goes bad because imagining a world like what you described is very easy, we sorta live in it, but imaging a happy ending is hard cause we do not know how that would ever work. We don’t get evil industries dying out in one fast swoop in real life. The sorts of endings we get in real life don’t wrap up the narrative. The just set the stage for another story.
Not very satisfying for a super hero story unless you want him to end up making some improvement to the system and the retire and pass the fight against Vought’s successor to someone else.
Yeah you have a good point with everything you said. Maybe I am over my head with those ideas and are very difficult to handle without experience and more. I think what my mind was going for was something like Invincible but not so grand universe conflicts but problems that can happen in our world but with a spark of superpowers but I have no idea how it can turn out
I'm glad more people are ripping this show apart. There's no way season 4 is the same show anymore. Satire is supposed to be fun and bombastic, not mean spirited and on-the-nose. Even the characters in this show are merely caricatures of themselves and are used to air out whatever grievances the writers wants, which breaks the immersion of The Boys. I'm confident that Kripke and his echo chamber are going full mask off this season with no means of turning back...
Have you watched south park if do think about your first 2 sentences
@@tiquezgraham7963 what does South Park has to do with The Boys being bad now? They're both satires, but one of them is more popular than the other for good reasons... Can you guess which one is it?
Bullseye. Satire is supposed to be clever. This is just shocking and mean.
Homlander is doing literally doing nothing for kids it's literally just a talking point
If homelander really cared about kids, he wouldnt be hanging out with firecracker who literally fucks them
Lol exactly and anybody with half a brain would realize that. So I have no clue what she means by people might interpret that as it being bad to report genuine pedophiles. the “pedophiles” they’re talking about in the puppet song are as much pedophiles as starlight is a child trafficker 😂🤦🏽♂️ all those labels from the puppet song are just labels slapped on anybody who disagrees with the narrative Vought/Homelander are trying to push. so I can’t imagine genuinely thinking the show WANTS me to believe mandatory reporting of pedophiles is “bad” or “wrong”, because it’s obvious that Vought does not care/do anything in favor of protecting children.
Was it really necessary to use "literally" twice in one sentence?
@Wishmaster787 I'm german and english is only my second language so probably not
@@Valentin-ln2ql My mistake fair enough
Im glad it was mentioned just how politically one sided the show has become. Its really uncomfortable and pretty narrow sighted of the writers actually.
First season was fantastic, second season was "Meh" I'll watch it. Third started to be food my dog refuse to eat. Did not look fourth, but looks like shiiiiite.
@@Flitalidapouet the 4th season is majority filler all to set up the final season such a let down to watch week by week
Well, i kinda liked the third...
First the series parodied perfectly corporate culture, now its trying to critique conservatives and non woke people and it bleeds too much the mentality of the writers, that kinda sucks for me.
Parodied? They are the corporate industry! Mr. Robot. Westworld. The boys. All tell the truth through mockery or metaphors but make no mistake it is to make you conform not wake up
@@sann7564 they were always critiquing conservatives since the first season how did u miss it? And “non woke” bru
It's been parodying both sides of the political spectrum the entire time. That hasn't changed
@@kolapse320 This season particularly has parodied the right more, but past seasons have parodied the left more. If you can't take political jokes, don't watch it.
One thing I give to the comic was that one of the people that the writer had stood up to Vought was Robert aka 'Dakota Bob' a hardcore republican businessman turn politician. Intelligent and cold, he predicted war with the supes and Vought so he had the government heavily invest in the Intelligent agency and the military as well as help created the Boys.
In the show they turn him into a democratic politician.
The show don't want nuance and give something good to the right.
Ill be straight up the only character who has a cohesive and compelling arc is A Train. Everyone is so scattered this Season.... Butcher is barley part of the Boys anymore, Hugie is just kinda there dealing with messed up shit just for it to be glossed over every the continuing episodes, Annie just feels like she is just there, Kimiko and Frenchie are both pointless this season spending majority of the time seprate dealing with thier issues that we have seen before and when they almost have no chemistry, The Deep was pretty solid the first few episodes and now hes a joke again along with Black Noir replacment just felt like he was there for comic relief. Sage and Firecracker are both insufferable and actually dint contribute anything and are a waste of screentime. They cant decided what to do with Ashley so she is just this scared chick who gets off on BDSM, Homelander and Ryan have a good dynamic bit again they make Ryan constantly go back and fourth with Homelander and Butcher, Finally MM deserves to leave this damn mess brotha needs to be with his fam. The show slowly had some shocking gross moments in season 3 then went full euphoria in Gen V and now every episode. They have so much sexual situations or violence towards men and its played for laughs and constantly just becomes distasteful. I will say nothing has topped the Plane scene in season 1. Like its so well written and acted and somthing that gives me chills everytime i see it. Now its like how much distasteful shock value can we show on screen.
The Deep didnt kill Tilda for "no reason". Sage turned him against her by giving him confidence and reinforcing that with sexual favors. There's Nothing like a willing woman, to blow a guys ego up. When octopussy called him out for cheating....and other characters like Butcher have called him out for being involved with cephalopods, the relationship began to cost too much for him socially. It made him feel pathetic when ppl picked on him fo his sea creature-fucking. He doesn't like being pathetic and the butt of every Robot Chicken joke. Sage has given him a way out, killing Tilda...that is the price of his confidence.....the price of his rebranding 😅
That argument would carry more weight if he didn't lose his wife because he wanted to be with that same octopus and actively cheated on her for some octopussy
@@kinglewis6553 purely physical...I mean, apparently? Either that or he was just that suckered by Sage. Her pep talk plus the kinky sex has really put a spin on his perspective.
@@kinglewis6553 You are misremembering. The Deep never gave two shits about his wife, he was forced to marry her for his rebranding. He said multiple times that she sucked at sex. More than that, she was horrible to him, forcing him to eat marine life and treating him like trash.
The Deep is a person who will do whatever he wants as long as he has power, when he loses power he becomes a bootlicker.
@@kinglewis6553That's because Deep didn't actually liked her. He picked someone else but they insist Deep should be with Cassandra.
@blacksmoke6292 oh yeah, because he was definitely in love with the woman that wanted to blow him during the interview. He wasn't just horny, and he used Cassandra to build up his career and confidence then as soon as he felt he was back in the same position as before he threw her away just like every other woman in his life.
Idk they are pushing like vought is christian friendly yet also had a transgender bathroom during a party this season. The writer is making it where its not even fun watching it. Its more welp i watched the other seasons might as well finish this one.
Honestly, i am bothered by Atrains redemption arc. Did we forget what he did to Popclaw? To Robin? Well, Hughey sure forgot about Robin quickly, once Starlight was in the picture...
He also got Alex killed by ratting him out to Homelander.
Don't forget about his involvement in Alex's murder, unlike every character in the show
They can’t let a black guy stay evil I guess. This is the issue with DEI storytelling.
you must‘ve forgotten how often the hughie‘s hallucination of robin kicked in or that he wanted to fight a train in s3 for what he did to robin.
One thing specifically that made me raise an eyebrow with the writing was how they painted the "Epstein didn't kill himself" thing even though the show establishes that those kinds of things happen with supes and the company protects their supes and themselves much like the Epstein list and it kinda makes me think they're painting that in a bad light which even goes against the spirit of the source material like the G-Men school being a pedophilic institution. I'm sure it's probably them just using whatever tagline used a lot from the political opposition of the writers but it feels a lot worse in this season. It's not just that but that sticks out to me because it never really took any sides before but this kinda contradicts its own writing and purpose to me. And I know a lot of people will say that it's a satire of current events but by doing things this current every season, it contradicts things going on in it's own contained story and contradicts itself as a narrative. Otherwise, it's still a fun show. It's the weakest season so far but it's not as bad as most other shows right now I think
Considering Homelander childhood, he probably has a real and good reason for the child indoctrination and groomers lyric.
That’s a huge reach. Just because he was abused does not mean he cares for other children. And I really doubt the groomer thing was actual concern from him and just using useful political talking points.
I mean reporting groomers is good right? No way that would be misused or abused by any vicious political movements that want targets right? Cause we totally treat child abuse seriously in the present /s
@@yucol5661 Ofcourse he don't care about other people kids but he care for his kid, who he is having involved with singing the song.
She’s so on the money with the welfare system…we make just enough to be struggling but not enough to qualify for assistance. If we get married, it’ll be worse.
It always parodied different political groups, but damn has it been annoying how blunt and poor it is particularly portraying the right. 😂
I can't tell if their portrayal is how they actually view conservative people or how they want people to view conservatives 💀
@@TooastyTooastIt's a self-feeding cycle of both at this point. They exaggerate and misrepresent to push their agenda, then forget that they exaggerated and misrepresented and believe it's real, which results in their satire become more and more bizarre.
Personally, I thought the horror of the puppet song wasn’t what they asking the kids to report on JUST that the were being asked to report on their parents full stop.
Some people didn’t read 1984 in school it seems. How can someone think that a TV show telling kids to report on their parents is honestly looking out for them and wanting them to report real bad stuff. It was so clear they wanted to report disidente but oh well, people missing the point is a given with politics and entertainment.
Which is funny, because it’s actually the opposite. Kids are encouraged to out their parents if they have right leaning sensitivities or if they tell them they’re against them having a sex change.
Like they’ll straight up legally take your kid in some cases if the latter happens.
Anyone else thinj the Deep having full conversations with animals is weird, like no one in this universe is phased by the discovery that sea creatures are fully sentient with human level intellect and language capability?
I fell off this show during Season 2, I really don't think I'm going back. Ever since they introduced Stormfront, I started to feel like the writers were just doing shocking things for the sake of shock value. Sometimes, some characters do things that make literally no sense but you can't point that out or people will just label you some form of -ist or -phobe and I just done with caring.
Hear me out now, maybe, just MAYBE, ambrosia was exaggerating how quickly she was dying in order to make him feel bad and save her.
12:35 well, the “please think of the children!” Line is an annoying bit both sides throw out as a dodge on more concrete issues so I shut it down with “I don’t care about kids that aren’t mine or related to me so let’s keep talking about the crony capitalism that’s rampant.”
They changed writers lol and you can tell.
Yep, since s2
We're so divided against each other these days, it feels like we become irrational, stuff like that apparent message in The Boys is evidence. They're so against anyone on the opposite side that they'll use pin any stereotypes on their straw man to known it down, regardless of if the stereotype is actually good and thus mocking it is putting oneself in the wrong. We've fallen so far as a society, I hope that...event recently serves as a wake up call for us to set aside our differences and try and get along.
I can’t really get behind this argument that impressionable children watching The Boys are going to misunderstand the line in the propaganda song about grooming. It doesn’t matter if children are ignoring viewer guidelines watching the show. It's not the responsibility of TV writers to control that. A series made and intended for mature audiences shouldn’t have to cater to younger audiences. They shouldn’t have to be worrying about 'influencing' their audience when it was made for fully grown adults who are responsible enough to make their own informed decisions. No one should be getting their lessons on politics from The Boys, but that doesn’t mean the show is wrong to use its narrative to criticize or make fun of extremist talking points. If it’s not obvious to someone that the grooming line was directed at people who accuse left leaning activists of grooming with no basis, then they are not mature enough to watch this show.
I also completely disagree that only the 'bad guys' appear concerned for children when a major character arc for Kimiko this season was about facing her past and wanting to stop the terrorist group that abducts and hurts children like what happened to her as a child. Both Kimiko and Frenchie are griping with this reality that they were forced to do horrible things as children and have harmed and killed other children in the process, and they're trying to process this while coming to terms with how they can make things right.
I agree with the Vic writing issue, perhaps what they are implying is she cant kill all the sheep fast enough to avoid heavy casualties. Stan, Huey, Butcher, and Frenchie would mostlikely die. Annie might be permanently maimed and Kimiko might get ripped to shreads and eaten before she can fight back. Whatever the case, they didnt address why Vicky would just run. Maybe it would be better if she was shown fighting them off while they run.
The octopus part I think implies that the octopus is trapped there to die since the Deep is mad. But doesnt explain why she cant breath as soon as the aquarium gets rekt. They maybe put that there for morbid comedy but forgot it would leave a massive plot hole. Also, the Deep is motivated to show his real shitty side this season and killing his octopus gf is that line he crossed to truly give in his darker tendencies. I mean he already did kill(ate) his friend. I think all the stuff he did for Vought and Homelander, even tho against his will, has now corrupted him. He has the opposite arc with A-train. I get what they doing with him but yeah, its not written as well as we all hoped.
It's because the left is getting so far left is why you are noticing it
I love when people say stuff like this but when you point out the right tried to overthrow the government and is moving farther right you're overreacting
To me out of whack is Starlights abortion after effects. No shot whole movement just vanished however, when she got hugs from a stranger was weird and what do you know, it was a shapeshifter. Literally if you know everyone abondened you wouldn't you be more wary if someone was like "hey Starlight with happy face", I'm not a people's expert.
It feels like there was a season in between 3 and 4 that nobody saw. Ashleys character took such a hard turn i was sure I'd missed something. She went from a beleiver, to being terrified of supes when the veil is lifted. Forced to do a job she hates for people she fears but can't leave. Literally pulls her hair out from the stress of it but now suddenly she's happy getting freaky in a supes humiliation dungeon? What??!
This new season is complete dog shit. Even ignoring the politics (which is so in your face it’s basically impossible to ignore) they didn’t even get to the main storyline until episode fucking 7! I 100% guarantee the creator will just double down on everything people hate for the final season because his mind is so twisted by politics.
The thing bout the boys is that ever since season 3 theres been an influx of people who become reactionary to anyone who doesn't like it
Like the ammount of times something like me saying am nit interested in the show they go "oh you must be some conservative prude" when no i just dont find gore' sex and surface level political commentary that entertaining honestly
But no its either you like it or you're a prude
The reason why most don’t like it is more due to their political affiliation, which is incredibly silly
@@moderatecanuck
Not wanting to support shitty un-entertaining propaganda made by people who hate you (or rather, some made-up caricature they _think_ you are) is "incredibly silly?" I'm not even conservative and I'm sick of this mean-spirited woke shit. I don't think Alteori is conservative either and she's an Asian female, and also sick of this hateful propaganda from these people.
It's ridiculous that anyone whom critiques this show is automatically met with stupid rhetorics like "this show was always making fun of you", or "you're just a butt hurt conservative". There's way more to pick apart of this awful season than its spiteful and on-the-nose political "satire", yet it's ignored. This is a sign of a once good show going to crap and the writers are cultivating these kinds of people into fans of said show.
The tolerant left, championing us vs them mentality.
That's a completely fair opinion. Personally l like some of the gore feels like a more realistic take on super heros
They were clearly bothered by the fact that people actually grew to like The Deep. Despite the very horrible thing he did in season 1. People kind of liked watching him go threw his penetrance and soul searching journey. It read to me that they had him kill Ambrosia for no other reason but to try and make the viewers dislike The Deep. It's not writing, it's character manipulation.
Season 1 was a jab at Disney and Warner Bros. Season 2 was a jab at cancel culture and media. Season 3 was great because of Soldier Boy. Season 4 is a mess, I’m not excited for the last season.
6:20 Or (OR) maybe (MAYBE) they're trying to be a bit subtle with this number, and the point is that the bad guys are mixing good takes in with the bad ones, to slide the bad ones in. As in, yes, of course kids should report groomers. The subliminal message of the song is: "Everyone who doesn't like supes IS a groomer, or some other baddie, because why would a good law-abiding citizen be against supes? Supes are great. Trust supes. Submit to supes."
This youtuber has bad takes. She need to nitpick evrything she is so anoying. She fell of bad
Her takes make me mad becouse they are stupid. And just anoying.
The scene where the octopus is immediately suffocating after water tank being smashed really had the writing go off the Deep end.
I see what you did there. 😂
@@Vextipher you can go home now
The writing decisions and the subsequent rationalizing by fans is baffling. The octopus scene DIRECTLY contradicts what was set up a few minutes before. I thought it's just right-wingers getting mad about the overly woke tone of the series. But they are right. When activism becomes more important than consistency then the writing suffers. A lot.
The Boys went from being a show I enjoy to being one I despise completely with remarkable swiftness.
Let me guess it hurt your feelings when it made fun of you
@@yourdad6902 It went from funny to pointlessly gross and boring.
@@luther1546 do you even know what the original comic was like what did you think the show was gonna be some amazing piece of art
@@yourdad6902 Yeah, the original comic was gross and stupid, but I enjoyed the first few seasons of the show. I thought it was much better. This season is too much like the comic.
@@yourdad6902the comic sucked.
I felt like the whole season seems off. I couldn't get past the first 2 episodes of Gen V. It seems like the writer of Gen V is the same for season 4. I also don't care for what the writing is blatantly doing. I don't wanna freely accuse people of preying on the young because I'd need evidence. I will admit, I am on disability and I hate it. I been working on a comic and writing for sometime. I hope I can get to the point and sell stuff and maybe get off disability if I do well enough. Also Alteori, you are not wrong about the whole "sketchiness" of it all. Tbh WHYYYYYYY did they give the octopus A VOICE!? lol. Js my fave character is Butcher.
You got it right. Gen V was a view at the future of The Boys.
I hope your comic turns out well!!!
Same. I knew it was over when Gen V turned out to be a disaster.
This Eric Kripke can't be the same Eric Kripke who gave us Supernatural seasons 1-5. How far has his writing fallen.
It's falling about as bad as the last season of Game of Thrones, but not the final episode.
@@joshuacr GoT started to fall a part, albeit slowly, after they run out of original material around the 5 season.
@@TheGraemithey didnt even run out of books material, they didnt adapt the last 2 books at all
The only kid getting groomed in the story is Ryan. Groomed by Vought and his own father to be a corporate tool.
Agree they messed up the Deep storyline though.
You're completely missing the point of them criticizing the right going after gr00mers/peds. It's criticizing the fact the the right tends to call every group they disagree with predators, especially LGBT+. It's their way of demonizing out groups, it has nothing to do with actual predators just the false framing of groups AS predators.
You're not echoing what she wants to hear so I don't think she'll read it 💀
Had to scroll too long to find this comment. "The megacorp run by a gen0cidal maniac with plans for world domination just wants to save them kids dude. How's that bad?" The level of context cluelessness
Doesn't help that there genuinely is a large amount of pdfiles in these outgroups
...especially in lgbt
Uhh there's been plenty of LGBT people who have been recently busted for grooming ..what are you talking about?
Hey didn't they cancel someone for saying that turning your neighbors against each other was bad?
I guess only on one side huh?
I’m joking but seriously these people need to stick to making movies & stop trying to teach us how to be good people.
They clearly don’t live by the values they express just like the Church of old.
Hey Alteori, just finished this video. i watched it twice to make this comment to ensure I didn't miss anything.
No offense but I think you missed the mark a bit on this one. Vought/Homelander isn't saying to report bad people, they are saying that the people that they would like to be reported are bad people. The propoganda isn't saying to report gromers, it's to report Starlighters, because Starlighters are "x bad thing" when in reality they aren't, but Vought is tacking it on to make them sound absurdly bad.
Plus something so serious being sung in a ridiculous uppity christmas son is also the point, so you going out of your way to actual explain/educate on these things is missing the point imo.
And I know you said that you don't want sympathy, but the argument you used was based in pathos (which I feel doesn't work in this context), despite saying you're making the argument to inform others.
No hate, just constructive criticism. I enjoyed the video and thought all your points were interesting, regardless if I disagree with these 3 points or not.
Have a nice day^^
Personally i always thought The Deep was the most mentally unstable of the Seven. He's a spineless loser who would sacrifice any morals or personal values for approval. His entire redemption arc felt faked and he never left behind that predatory wimp who forced himself on Starlight. I understand why the octopus dying so quickly was dumb but Deep having a violent overreaction to criticism or rejection is entirely in character.
My issue with the farm episode is the fact that the farm had no vehicles. Like golf carts or a pick up truck to move through the acres of land. So the group was forced to walk as if it was the journey to Rohan or something. Then it felt like show is spinning its wheels with having Butch in the “The Boys” group or not back and forth. It’s exhausting.
You haven't heard of MAPs?
Wish i could remain this blussfully anaware.
To me the funnies part about this season firecracker and sister sage being Stormfront divided into two characters. Like for real tho. Sage is a smart manipulator part and firecracker is the sexy racist part who he falls in love with.
and it's funny because when they killed her off I was like Why? She fits him perfectly. There was such potential. And now they just brought her back as two characters only it's worse now because the writing is not as good as it use to be
Centrists are just conservatives who are smart enough to know it's embarrassing
Alteori, for the chemistry between actors(Hughie and Starlight), i don't know if it's still going but in real life the actor of Hughie and the actress of Vicky(head-popper) were/are dating, notice how in season 2 or 3, they had a better back and forth in scenes where they're together.
I don't know how you're strong enough to completely move past it, but I wish i had someone to help me like you did. Living with this is killing me, and I can't even confront the person who hurt me because they died
Even if the dead can’t speak to us, we have a number of ways to speak to them.
Writing, song, art, expression in general can all be effective. You may never get an apology, but it’s never too late to call out to someone and tell them what you need to tell them.
Think of it this way. It’s not about having the strength to keep walking with a heavy ball chained to you. It’s about having the tools to chip away at the weight.
Don't let the person who stole your past, keep stealing your future.
The pain will always be there, but it does not need to control you. Be stronger than the weakling who could only take advantage of others, don't forgive them, don't forget them. But close that chapter in your life and write your next chapter
where you forge your true self.
@@MyAramil
They were a family member... I forgive them in the sense of trying to let it go and move on with my life, but I just want to forget. I can't remember a time when I didn't hate my life. Yes, some days or years were good but overall, it's just so difficult for me to keep finding reasons to keep going. The guilt, hate and love I feel for them just hurts. Loving a family member that hurt you... I hate this messed up world
@@Adventist1997 I get how you feel and it’s honestly comforting to see someone else going thru the same thing as me, I was also hurt by a family member who died last year and am still having a hard time on how to process it. Am I mourning them or the idea of them? Do I even have the right to mourn them? I so badly just want to hate them or love them in hopes that it’ll allow me to move on.
That reporting on neighbors happened in USSR way more, so far that they wouldn't care if it was right or not *Get Gulagged*
I completely disagree with the idea that because the far right song said grooming is bad that some how means that leftists think grooming is good, it was a jab at firecracker and there is no connection between disliking grooming and politics, they didn't assign it to anything and I think you're reaching
Yea.
The point of the Groomer message being dismissive by the boys isn't denouncing those who tell on those who exploit children.
Its common for those on the right wing to misrepresent their opponents as pedophiles, its their main form of attack because they understand why
being called a pedophile is the biggest attack on a person character because pedophiles exploit children. Hell, fucking Firecracker in the show is the real
pedophile yet theres a guy wearing a shirt that says Starlight is a pedophile.
Also, people reporting on their friends and family members not for being pedophiles but rather for being gay or trans is still a big issue and traditionalists just pick up the pieces from there making sure everyone within their community follows what they think, no weak men, no leading women, Not understanding that everyone even with a biological characteristic like sex is different. Its similar to how the relationship between Homelander and Ryan where Homelander can't fathom that his son can find him morally apprehensible, not to mention the irony of how Ryan is afraid to speak up about the nature of his relationship with Homelander, until near the end of the episode.
Dean of Students Brags About Bringing in LGBTQ+ Health Center to Teach "Queer Scc" to Minors
its not a narrative
@@petervizzini4006 like the difference between sex and gender? Or is this another attempt to strawman minority groups
@@Tabby3456 there is no difference
@@petervizzini4006 and there goes the traditionalist trumpet, black and white thinking with no idea of what gender is as a societally indicator will just make people ignorant of why people want to be trans. You can't escape biological sex sure, but you can't escape the fact that we now have the technology and understanding. Primitive.
Kevin realized violence is power
Think it's all the pressure he went through with all the bullies he faced
He's straight and white. He can't get a redemption arc cause "privilege."
A-Train killed like 40 innocent people, but "Nah, it's cool. You're forgiven now."