OMG She is the WORST - The Boys Season 4 Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- My full review of TEH BOYS season 4 and rant about STARLIGHT
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Yeah Starlight really annoyed me too.. I wouldn't have minded too much if Starlight takes Hughie's situation badly, thats her character and her flaw for not seeing how he was abused. What annoyed me is that the series itself framed it as Hughie's fault, having him plead, and do that cringey fistpump when Starlight effectively says "Get tested, because your abuse better not effect me".
THANK YOU!!! It's not that she doesn't have a right to be angry but it's WHY she was angry. It's the things she said to him and he should be THANKFUL that she is forgiving HIM for being tricked and SAed. Like wtaf is wrong with her
not like hughie could just... kick fake-light out of the house. she was a super strong supe after all.
I dont think the show framed it in a way to "blame" hughie. You know some guys will "take blame" because they feel bad despite them knowing it wasnt that fault right?- its not much healthier but it makes sense and its realistic
@@tbknick6703hughie didnt "take blame" starlight flat out insinuated he wasn't trying hard enough to discern her from the identical copy and straight up said "well i guess since she wasnt depressed and was having sex you looked past the clues" like wtf
@@zachary3367 well he still took blame in the way that instead of trying to convince her that it wasnt his faupt he tried to make it right. Like i said doesnt make it at all right but its realistic. Some guys resort to that
Erin playing the shifter was so much more compelling at showing her range than starlight this and last season honestly.
Yeah, that was some of her best acting, for sure. However, since the Shifter died without killing Singer and without us knowing that supe's true identity, it felt kind of pointless in the end.
@@MatthewTheWandererI kind of like that we don't know the Shifters true identity though. That makes the character more sinister and mysterious for me.
Ur just saying that coz you got to see some full back nudity.... go on... admit it...
@@keithnayo4582its like captain ginyu, who knows whats his original body
I mean....playing a different character almost always shows the actor's range than playing the same character....
Starlight was written terribly in this season. But her playing the Shifter was really amazing. The actress has range. I hope they make her better in S5
I thought the exact same lmao, she actually was a pleasure to watch as the shifter
I blame the writers I really don't think she's a bad character and I do appreciate at least try to give her some flaws is that making her picture perfect
@keithnayo4582
Moriarty lost all her range - and sanity - as soon as she botched her face will filler to look like a 47 year old woman. It's visually ugly and distracting. And unlike someone like Leslye Headland, she was never even close to ugly before. She went from being a 7 in looks, to a 3, and now looks 15 years older than she did in even season two.
Add all of that to her character being a heartless, selfish C-U-Next-Tuesday after her "boyfriend" has been SA'ed twice by Supers, and both Moriarty and Annie, have no redeeming qualities left.
S5 will likely come out in 2026. i hope Erin Moriarty will not go full micheal jackson till then....
Season 5 is the last season btw so it wont stretch on for another 6 seasons like you were concerned about
No, the bald girl at the end is Cindy. She was in season 2 where Stormfront was experimenting on a bunch of supes.
Ah yes
season 2 she was seen trying to get a ride
@@AlteoriI got a question are you going to review inside out 2 or despicable me 4
She is no joke lantern feared her only storm front was able to subdue her to electricity.
Shes a better version of sam from gen v she deserved to be a member of the seven
Cindy is a Telekinetic not magnetic powers. 🤓 👍🏿@@Alteori
Hughie was a victim fr. Lost his dad, got violated by Ashley and Teknight, got violated 20 times by a shifter and has starlight absolutely dogging on him even more.
They nerfed Kimiko into the fucking dirt. Remember first time we saw her in action? Fucking sabertooth jumping all around ripping faces off. But the moment she faces a mediocre supe they always snap her neck and thats that. I remember how Kimiko could tank A-Train bashing her head against stone wall like 100 times at the speed of sound - and was pretty much unphazed. She is the powerhouse of the group who was made into a simple punching back just cause she can take it.
TBF it's pretty refreshing to see a female character reduced to a comical punching bag who can survive anything horrible. This role is almost exclusively reserved for a character like Butcher in other television shows.
@@Notallowed101its just bad writing, wild self report on liking the physical abuse of a woman though!
@@TheMattJacks
That literally makes no sense when it's a matter of life and death. She wouldn't suddenly lose her survival instincts just because she cares about the group more. If anything, love and more fighting experience would make her _more_ dangerous, not less.
I agree....they've remembered her regeneration and forgot everything else on her. Her powers have been terribly neutered in this show. I feel bad for her.
And kamiko was also trained in martial arts only real opponent was the first black noir and then maeve then billy then soldier boy
Hughie was sexually assaulted twice this season. The first time it was placed for laughs and the second he was victim blamed...by the person who potrayed (rightly) as a sexual assault victim. What the fuck
That's the commie way
@@danhibiki3359 Kripke needs to be on a list and needs to have his basement checked.
And I’m sure Kripke will find new creative ways to assault him next season.
@@nont18411 Everything to do away with that "patriarchy" that somehow allows for the worst shit to happen to men but tolerates absolutely nothing happening to women.
@@nont18411 hughie’s actor is a nepo baby and also his Dad is a well known Trumper. Kripke is trying to humiliate him
yk what some people may not like the season but the death of hughie's dad made me tear up
A bit too much filler,but thank God we still got some character development.
Would have been better to let him live and have a villain arc ..
The scene of Hughie telling his dad that he is his hero was a great scene.
@caseyhart4999 it always gets me when someone's dying, and they talk about going on vacation to somewhere they and their loved ones have talked about going to, only to die beforehand. I cried when he died too. I was honestly surprised we didn't get more with the mom though, I really thought she was gonna be a Vought super spy sent by Sage.
yeah, the "I'm not okay" hit hard
This also made him vulnerable for the shifter to get to him.
Because even though he knew something was off, he wanted something good happening to him so much that he ignored all the signs.
I knew it was the shifter the moment Annie was there in the hated costume, rdy to make love.
the shapeshifter has her memories too which would make it even harder to differentiate between them
Which makes Annie even worse, because Annie 100% knows the shapeshifter can think like Annie and even say things only the two of them know. The show went off the deep end with the wokeness this season and they have Annie acting like this because they can never hold women accountable for any bad actions or being horrible people.
@@MarvinPowell1 Ah yes, it's definitely always "the wokeness"
@@JKBDTS It is. A man being treated like this is a result of wokeness. Why didn't Hughie make any derogatory comments like Starlight needing to wash her mouth out with alcohol for a week before he'd ever kiss her again after he learned she gave The Deep a little gluck gluck and swallowed his manbatter? Because that's the equivalent of what Starlight did with Hughie by demanding STD tests from him. Worse arguably, because Starlight could've walked away. Hughie couldn't.
@@JKBDTS It is. They didn't treat Starlight this way in S1. I don't recall Hughie demanding STD tests from her when he found out she got under the table for a job.
@@BulldogFromHell This could happen off-screen🤦
The chemistry between Hughie and Newman is 100x more captivating than Annie and Hughie. Yes, I know they're dating but you can feel the energy between them and it just feels like Erin is reading her lines when she is trying to be flirty/sexy with Hughie.
It's unfortunate because they were a pretty good pair in season 1 and 2 and then they diminished that in season 3 and more in season 4.
OMG Yes Neuman and Hughie seemed to have great chemistry
@@AlteoriI Unintentionally shipped him and Neuman
@@spider-man500 I didn't think of that but they would be a much better pair. As strong as Neuman is and even with how evil she was, she seems to be very soft and caring of her partner and loved ones.
They are dating in real life. Neumann and Hughie.
@@TheMattJacks I literally said that lol
My dad was abandoned and he didnt know how to be a good parent and he was abusive mentally and physically. When i got a foster dad, he was angry that i chose my foster dad. But he really didnt and couldn't be a good dad to me. My foster dad built me up and instill confidence and love, all the things my dad never gave me. Im 51 now and i understand him and Homelander. I feel no guilt becuz i dont want to be abused by him
Keep in mind, this kid isn't just being told 'we'll get you away from him', he's also being told they're going to make him into a soldier to kill his father. That's a big switch from your reality. Plus, the son knows what happened to his father, and realized he's basically in a center made to hold him like what happened to his Dad, she also just threatened him, and he can see her reaching towards the button to cage him forever. I don't blame his reaction one bit.
It’s kind of insane to me that no one told Ryan that Homelander was horrible to Becca; they didn’t need to say he SA’d her but come ON. They let Ryan get all this bad influence from him and let Ryan think HL had positive qualities.
Instead of Annie getting mad at Hughie they should have talked about it as a couple because it wasn't hughie’s fault
I’m sure it’s still the patriarchy
idk why hughie was being a bitch and just took it too. like stand up for urself wtf
Bro she was mad at the situation not at actually him otherwise she wouldn't have forgiven him that quickly. We all have lashed out at someone even when it's not their fault
@@deansisco1004 Or (OR) maybe (MAYBE) it was the stress of her entire cause crumbling, and her being chained in a basement for 10 days while a psychop... sorry, a sociopath wearing her skin was running amock. No, she is not being reasonable there, but she is still sympathetic. Also, she gets over it in the same scene. If she can, then so can you.
Everything is a straight white male's fault, according to Kripke and Chou.
Imagine if Starlight got graped 10-20 times thinking she was with Hughie, and then when Hughie finds out he demands she gets every STD test under the sun. The show would literally be cancelled. This is why woke writing is trash. The double standards are insane.
Thank you
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I remember when Smallville did the Clark Bizarro switch with Lana. I was really creeped out. The violation of not knowing.
I like how it's so heavy handed it's self parody.
Like the Firecracker "news" segments in light of how mainstream news *actually* is.
So is kripke calling Rachel Maddow and the like "conservative"? Or does he actually think conservatives control the media?
@@nicholashodges201 He definitely does not believe that conservatives are in charge of the media. He just wants others to stay away from the only conservative channel there is. We consistently see people like MM, a CIA operative, say subtle stuff like "We've seen on the news that there's no way-" etc. subliminal messaging that normal mainstream media is trustworthy and transparent.
Realistically, someone like MM would be among the first to know that nothing they say holds any value.
"I sounded like a slave owner", nah, that's exactly how my parents sounded when talking to me and my older sisters 🤣
4:54
XD
Between the "get over here BOY" and the ass beating, the strict Christian father experience sounds like slavery sometimes
It’s moments like Starlight’s reaction to Hughie sleeping with the shifter that make me keep going back and forth between liking and despising her. She more than anyone in the entire series had NO RIGHT to be mad at Hughie for that, he didn’t know he was having sex with a different woman(?), she was disguised as his girlfriend and later fiancé. Dude literally got deceived and raped 20 times (once by Ashley and Tek Knight, 20 times by the shifter as he says though that number could be inaccurate) in a few weeks and she’s the one that was done wrong? Yeah, I call BS. She should understand and sympathise with him better than any of the Boys.
I get what you're saying and you're right about Huey being a victim but at the same time I feel like people are not understanding starlight point of view I I agree she wasn't being fair to Huey but at the same time I think she was couldn't handle what was going on at the moment and she took it out on him people may hate her automatically because of that but I didn't give her good flaws as a character that way she can easily overcome them and have a journey in real life sometimes we get mad at a person that wasn't their fault easy takes us a minute to calm down and try to analyze the situation the say they could happen with starlight
@@animezilla4486 I don’t blame her for being mad at the situation in general but she definitely owed Hughie an apology for taking it out on him.
@@Evoker23-lx8mbthe boys is orwellian 2 minutes hate for progressive leftists. The writing is dogshit and its only enjoyable to shit on this failed abortion of a show. Homelander is literally intended to be an orwellian goldstein...
@@Shaneishere839role swap and tell me a man making an std joke after a women getting raped would be okay? Its thendouble standard. If womenit's bad, if Male it's a joke.
@@animezilla4486You again.
I mean in a emotional sense it makes sense but the problem is every other character don’t call her out for being unreasonable.
Like most people in real life from friends to the person being insulted or accused would.
Starlight has been unbearable this season and seems to never care about Hughie. You can tell that she means the world to him and doesn't deserve her. It was weird seeing him with the shape-shifter...like he deserves her more than Starlight. The shape-shifter had more chemistry even if she had ulterior motives behind it. They have one season left so hopeful they can somewhat redeem Starlight before it finishes.
@@tinmandlyte I disagree she wasn't that bad as a person she has gone through a lot
That started in the end of season 2 but wasn’t that apparent then.
@tinmandlyte
Simple explanation: The real Annie is fake, self-righteous, selfish and negative.
ShapeShifter is honest, admits to being flawed, acts more positive, is a self-admitted sociopath (although she acts nothing like it since she genuinely liked being with Hughie.)
They wrote the "hero" as a legitimate villain and sociopath, and wrote the "villain" as a mischievous-but-honest anti-hero. So what we see on-screen doesn't match what the writers intended.
Shapeshifter treated Hughie so well it was unironically what ticked me off that something wasn't right.
@@MarvinPowell1 Exactly. It was kind of funny to me when Annie was annoyed at Hughie for not realizing the shapeshifter wasn't really her. The shapeshifter was loving and gave him lots of sex. Apparently he was supposed to figure out from this that it wasn't really her. The real Annie would never be loving apparently! Doesn't quite send the right message.
I hated Annie this season, seeing her blame Hughie for being raped and not knowing she was replaced by someone who looked and acted exactly as her and even had her memories, it was disgusting.
Thumbnail makes it look like Homelander is worried that woman is worse than him. 😂
He HAS to be #1, *always*
XD
Now I can’t unsee that. 😅
The conversation between starlight and the shapeshifter was her best moment this season, but her then going and blaming Hughie for not being able to tell her apart immediately soured my mood
That's the issue with this season in general: something or someone seemingly hints to some sort of set up only for the pay off to be non-existent to worthless. Kinda like Frenchie and Kimiko hooking up in the finale of this season even though the Colin subplot was brought up out of nowhere with all kinds of predictablity.
it wasnt so terrible, seeing as staright probably thought at the moment that hughie only saw her as a sex doll because hughie really enjoyed doing it with the shifter, which lead to starlight thinking thats all hughie wanted, but that was in the heat of the moment, common sense
Starlight, this season, talks like she is HEAVILY medicated with Benzo’s. Like she’s struggling to get the words out of her mouth.
She probably is...From all the plastic surgery
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 fair point. Prolly hitting the Ozempic also
@@jonathanc8560 Oh. I hope not. She didn't need to lose any weight..That would be sad if she felt she needed to or was pressured into it ..
@@mekareactsandreviews3026
She was beautiful before and didn't need any plastic surgery in her twenties, either. She also does look thinner now, going from maybe 125 to like 110. I wouldn't be surprised if Moriarty was on Ozempic.
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 glad you replied to my initial comment. Found your channel and subscribed! Looking forward to checking out your videos!
I officially jumped ship. This season was so bad 1) Not only they had Hughie get assaulted after having to put his father down himself and Annie did fuck all to comfort him, no it was actually HIM that was comforting HER for her boohoo "nobody likes me cause I did abortion" boohoo but then he gets shit on for getting essentially assaulted AGAIN by Shifter because how dare he not recognise that his partner was being too good for him so obviously it was a fake. 2) Frenchie and Kimiko were literally put on ice and reset to what they were AT THE END OF SEASON 3 3) Sage is just Thrawn "hehe we lost our millionaire prisons guy because it was part of my plan, we had lost A train cause that was part of my plan, we got one of the best espionage and assassination supes out there wasted just to get Bob arrested hehe I AMA SO SMARTA " 4) They flip flop Homelander from pretty smart and wise guy and a good manipulator to a stOOpid baboon cry baby same with Ryan he is a good kid but oh no he is getting corrupted but he is good again but oh no how could he kill Grace. 5) Their political commentary went from tongue and cheek jabs at both sides to "RIGHT BAD left good"
Yeah no I am done I don't care anymore.
I was done at the end of season 3....this huge battle about to begin, soldier boy brought in to help take care of homelander and ...and ...no one fricken died, not even Maive when she was literally laying on top of soldier boy as the nuke went off, she was useless anyway, but nope, not one single character died. All of the buildup for soldier boy to go right back to sleep and a big nothing burger. I watched season 4 thru UA-cam channels like this one, just showing clips and I see I missed nothing worthwhile
Right? Homelander was never the most intelligent or most knowledgeable but he was VERY clever. And no one expected him to be so that's why he easily manipulated things. Now he's no longer clever. Just has no clue what he's doing. They didn't just remove that aspect of him, they straight up made him worse.
@@ThisIsAUsername69 Well its just inconsistent within this season 1st he is able to understand the value of someone like Sage (at least on how the show tries to portais her) and is able to sweet talk her and Neuman into joining him but then he acts like a confused child with the politicians but then reverts back with Ryan in episode 5 but then that immediately gets thrown out later on when he still forces Ryan into doing the muppets
He killed Grace because he was scared of her
I know right, even I said "Well it's about time" when Frenchie and Kimiko kissed.
i actually got goosebumps in that scene.... DAMN GURL, about frikken time. Sadly both of them are now doomed to die... 😫
That whole break up part made no sense whatsoever.
I felt like they saw the backlash and decided to backpeddle harder than anyone ever had before. It was jarring because of what the first half of the season did..
Kind of weird he had sex with a dude a few episodes before. Kind of cheapens that moment.
I already figured they would be Endgame, but I just thought the Collin side plot was such a waste of time and did nothing to advance the story or characters.
No real consequences either. Collin was gone before we can even give a shit about him, and Frenchie goes to jail just to be right back with the boys a few episodes later like nothing happened.
The moment he turned himself in I already know they were gonna pull some bs CIA strings as a way to get him back.
I 100% agree with ur view of Starlight... so exhausting seeing other reactors falling over their feet for her... If you ever watched Legion... Starlight gives me that female characters vibe .. They wanted her to be the good guy .. but she so wasn't... And always escaped responsibility from anything she did wrong.
A common sign of bad writing, the 'good' guys fail to be good and the writers don't notice.
@@plasmabeamgames 💯
One of my biggest concerns with this show is the amount of plot armor and deus ex machinas. For example, shape shifter girl throws Hughie and MM only knocking them unconscious, then she throws a random NPC and breaks his spine in half. It happens so often.
You expect good and consistent writing? That was your first mistake.
Dont forget they were the singers body guards so they should be above the likes of hughie at least.
I think maybe the shape shifter started liking hughie explaining why they didnt like hughie but MM shouldnt be okay. Season 3 id be convince would survive but not season 4.
Remember in season 2 when storm front hit the boys with lightning and they immediately got up like it was nothing.
Or the fact that MM can suffer no damage while A train can carry him thousands of miles per hour.
I was curious about that too. Wondered if the refresh with Annie's memories affects her. If she has affection for Hughie and MM temporarily from copying Annie that makes her hesitant to kill them?
Or ...
She is a mercenary for hire. Maybe Sage told her not to kill them?
It was implied the Shapeshifter actually liked most of the people in Annie's life, which is why she hated Annie so much and Annie's selfish behavior. The Shapeshifter might not have been above killing them, but it seemed like she really didn't want to, and was planning to live as Annie for as long as possible. Don't forget; she did the deed with Hughie around 20 times (twice a day over the course of ten days.) I think she really did feel a connection with The Boys, despite claiming to be a sociopath, which is why she despised Annie for taking advantage of all of them.
And maive face tanking the nuke from soldier boy
I knew things were going down hill with Starlight and Hughie when Eric Kripke went out of his way to call Hughie "toxically masculine" for wanting to protect Starlight. You mean the guy who watched the love of his life die right in front of him want to stop the same thing from happening to his new girlfriend?
Gee willakers, that guy sure is toxic.
Yup...season 5 will totally be crap and the show will end and they will move onto the mess that is Gen V....which was a mess from the start. And when that shows done, they will blame the fans for not thinking or being a hive mind like them. Rinse and repeat, never learning from their arrogance
That’s actually insane to me people thought he was “toxic” for wanting to protect Annie like respectfully he was fucked up for a long time after seeing his ex girlfriend Robin die in front of him. I feel as though anyone would want to protect they’re loved ones and partners especially after experiencing something as fucked up as that.”
Sage was weird as fuck. They keep telling us she is the smart woman (person 😂) in the world, but she didn't say or do smart things. That is just a way writers think they write smart characters
I wasn’t feeling Season 4 much. Some parts were good, but it feels like a step down from previous seasons. Like you said, Alteori. This is a ride that has overstayed its welcome a bit and I am glad it is almost over.
Worse season - Great final
I suspect that they got the news at some point that they could have 2 more seasons, which forced them to stretch a certain amount of planned story around more episodes. That's why so many episodes and scenes felt like filler this season, and why so much of it was just to set up Season 5.
I concur. A decent finale doesn't take away how disjointed and pointless this season was. Definitely worse than season 3, another mid season that was carried by Soldier Boy.
I was annoyed at the way Annie handled Hughie being tricked by the shapeshifter too, but as a man I wasn't the least bit surprised that a man having his consent violated by a woman (after being assaulted by a man and a woman in a sex dungeon) would get victim blamed. That's par for the course, and I've seen this happen repeatedly. Surprisingly, one of the few good cases where a man was assaulted by a woman actually came from a scene of Desperate Housewives, where a woman other than the wife literally drugs and ties up a man and tries to force him to get her pregnant. The wife's reaction upon learning this is to show compassion and acknowledge that her husband was SA'd.
Yeah as soon as that scenario was introduced, we knew where it was going. xD
I just didn't think she'd get over it in the same episode. But there was no more episodes so yeah.
The show when Annie is SAd: "And that was the worst tbing that ever happened"
The show when Hughie is SAd the first time: "and that was the funniest thing that ever happened"
The show when Hughie is SAd the second time: "And that was tbe worst thing that ever happened... to annie"
Seems pretty par for the course in reality.
The starlight actress eyes creep me out now. Her face can't really emote anymore not structurally. When she tries to show emotion with eyes they just go wide open and they look like dark shark eyes. The dark serial killer eyes (google it, thats a thing), predatory.
Sage just reminds me of the kid in school that thinks she is super smart but in reality has to cheat via new rule making or "explaining how the rules actually are".
Yeah. That's the plastic surgery. Her nose is awful. She lost her cute round face and cheeks.
She screwed up her career. She can NEVER again play the loving woman. Only bi*&* characters. Her face isn't one I can fall in love with now.
Hughie getting getting sa twice in one season is very telling. The first time he got ignored and laughed at and the second time starlight puts all the blame on him. That man can't catch a break. 😂😂😂
It's weird to me how people think that Ryan is now "evil" because he doesn't immediately believe massive accusations they put forward on his dad (we know it's true, he doesn't know), and accidentally kills Grace because he doesn't want to be abducted on the spot and be molded into a weapon to kill his father. What do you think the average teenager would have done in that situation? "Oh, it's okay if you want to take me away from my father so that you can use me to kill him". The show does not account for any nuances, it's just bizzarre and stupid.
Ryan felt little to no remorse afterward when killing grace. Who is a mother figure to him. It's safe to say the kid isn't on a good path
Wow, way to excuse a murderer.
She was a terrible human who deserved to die, she tried to imprison a child and turn him into a child soldier... do me a solid, go watch "beasts of no nation" thats what grace was doing to him, she was not being a mother, ever. @@Sleepylevi
@@vicentegeonixGrace is a controlling kidnapper. Self defense.
This part I didn't blame on Ryan at all. If anything, it's the government lady's fault for trying to rush it all out, and not letting Butcher handle it. If they just did it Butcher's way, they could have eased the kid into it. But because she didn't trust Butcher enough to handle it, she did an info dump on the kid and expected him to just accept it and come with them. That was dumb. He had time with his father, he learned to love his Dad, you don't just expect to wrench that away from the kid, especially after what the kid learned what happened to his Dad. Again, I don't care for Ryan that much, but this was probably the best acting I've seen in the kid, so far. No, it doesn't make him evil, it makes him human.
Homelander loves his son like we love a toy.
Ryan is a prop to him. He only cares about Ryan because he sees him as his property, something to own shape use as he please.
Its kinda messed up 😅😂
Sadly, that’s how some parents operate.
If ryan were a prop he wouldnt be left to his own devices, you throw your toy in a tote or chest when you arent playing with it, and homelander isnt doing that. HL is trying to give his son what he never had in freedom and family, theres nothing more genuine than that, thats what loving parents want for their children. He is objectively correct in this too, as the government will end up creating another homelander trying to force ryan into a contingency plan to kill his own pappy.
That's many, many parents...Not really out of the ordinary.
@@jmWolfe2585 It's possible that he wants to give his son the attention he never got and in return his son's adoration, also considering his son is a possible future equal and heir to his greatness. That doesn't mean that Homelander isn't probably going to be a narcissistic parent. Narcissistic parenting typically doesn't turn bad until the child starts becoming their own independent person and not just an extension/mini version of their parent.
Yep. What really made me understand that was the line Homelander has about making a child with Maeve's eggs that 'twice as strong as Ryan'. He sounds so dismissive of Ryan in that moment that you can tell he doesn't really love him, he only values strength because he sees himself as the strongest.
The episode really needed an extra scene where Annie's like "okay, we've been gone through some shit, I'm sorry to have said what I've said", etc etc.
Like, show just a little bit of remorse? Instead, Hughie's just supposed to take it. Imagine if the situation was reversed, and it was Hughie instead who became cold and distant, and blamed Annie for f*cking shapeshifter Hughie, even though she didn't know it was Hughie.
Annie's character got assassinated. The actress herself is still superb, Shifter Annie is amazingly well acted. It's just a massive gaping plothole in an otherwise great season for me.
Yeah, I didn't mind the politics, cos I'm left leaning, but what Kripke did to Hughie's character is just...plain disgusting. There's no excusing it. He's always been looked at as a "whiny bitch" by some folks, and this season just tripled my sympathy for him.
Exactly!!!
Funny how you're okay with the politics, but jot with the problems caused by them. Why do you think there's a double standard? Why do you think Hughie is being treated like this and expected to just take it? That is a direct result of the ideology you support.
@BulldogFromHell these people are willfully ignorant and cant think for themselves.
I could forgive starlight if it was her first reaction because when you feel betrayed you don’t really think straight but after that it’s narcissism
1:50 Agreed. Awful as Homelander is, it's hard to hate him for this. He's trying his best for Ryan - if only that were enough to keep the sins of the father from corrupting the son...
Let me ask you this question do you believe homeland deserves to be redeemed in the end
Uh kinda like homelander’s sins have already?
@@animezilla4486
Homelander deserves a redemption arc. But he doesn't deserve to live.
The Deep _truly_ deserved a redemption arc though, while A-Train and Ashley did not.
Hopefully Ryan can rise above all of that. His mother's foundation is the only thing I think that's keeping him from going nuclear right now.
@@animezilla4486homelander deserves redemption as much as atrain does.
Everyone was so worried about how A-Train was going to die never gave a second thought about Victoria.
Victoria was highlighted on-screen to be as durable as Homelander and it was implied she _couldn't_ die (aside from the stupid V'ed sheep scene, which made no sense.) So the fact Butcher, who's not even a full-on Supe, who got his super-cancer from a weaker version of Compound V, and hasn't been on it in months, was able to kill Victoria so easily, is such BS. Maybe a weaker Supe, like Firecracker or Sage, but Victoria was shown to be Alpha Level, stronger than Kimiko, Annie, or Maeve, and Butcher's cancer worms kill her like it's nothing.
Such absolute trash writing, this entire season. I'm still so annoyed by it.
@@MarvinPowell1 Thanks for calling this out. Butcher's powers make no sense.
@@MarvinPowell1did you forget what he did to Ezekiel???
@@BulldogFromHellhis powers are like Venom. He ripped apart Ezekiel earlier this season, the bunny having tentacles was a hint of his powers hence why he was the only person to see it. I think you guys didn’t pay attention
Neumans actor mustve gotten a new role lmao its so obvious when they break the plot for this stuff.
Alot of ppl who watch the show see star light and most of them in the boys as the good guys and forgive all their wrongs...When Frenchie and butcher have k*lled and tortured dozens of not more ..but because Frenchie feels bad...all is forgiven...Tell that to the abusive husband who keeps hitting his wife but as long as he apologizes and cry's a bit, it's fine ..Starlight is one the most annoying and boring characters in the show...But again because of what Starlight and the ,"starlighters", are supposed to represent we are supposed to think she's absolutely amazing...They could get rid of her character and I wouldn't even notice..I also agree her as a villain was way more interesting...she was bad as...and told herself what I've been thinking of her all along
This season made The Boys either the villains or useless. Star(gaslighter) gaslights Hughie for getting SAed multiple times, Frenchie gets gay over a nothing character with no set up nor pay off, Butcher seemingly dying only to get mega buffed in the season finale, and more glaring issues were present this season. Even the writers forgot about the overarching story and characters until the season finale which makes season 4 a lot weaker than season 3 in general.
Well we're NOT supposed to think she's amazing. This season has definitely showcased it that she can be wrong too. The way she besmirched Firecracker as kids, and beating her publicly. The abortion. Blowing up at Hughie over the shape shifter. Being against Butcher certain times when he was actually right about something. Even back in the very beginning of the series, The Deep didn't physically force himself on her. She could've quit right there and left the Seven. But she chose to do it and stay there, letting the prestige and the spotlight come first.
She's never been perfect. She's just the best we've got when so many supes are irredeemably rotten.
@@Seetiyan When did I say she was perfect...U said she's made to be seen as a goodie...But she's not..annoying, predictable and annoying...
Hughie should have gone: “No Ann Bolyn I wanted someone there for me who doesn’t treat me getting catfished as if she is the real victim.
Know what you’re right you are not the Anne I want because clearly the caring sweet Anne I loved was just in my head. Goodbye have fun fighting Homelander on your own.”
Honestly a lot of simp characters both boys and girls need to do that or be ragged by their friends for being doormats.
Like how real people act.
The Worse Season - Great Finale
I can’t help but to love Homelander. Crazy as he is.
He's a good villain.
@@Alteoriif he fights starlight in season 5 I think you’ll find 99% rooting for Homelander than people will cry and tell us we have no media literacy
He's a great villain, Antony Starr played him really well!
that MGK thing is so true
loads of people said the same thing about Chris Brown when his domestic violence allegations came to light. loads of girls were like “I’d let him do that to me!”
So many women would choose a literal murderer, like Jeremy Meeks, if he was six foot+ and had model-like looks, over any guy under six feet or overweight.
@CORD1BUS there and entire Boonkdocks ep on it 😂
"Tom, women would rather be beat to death than bored to death."
I understood this lesson deeply and profoundly when I first heard it. Most women would rather be with a toxic guy that excites them, than a safe guy that bores them.
@@CORD1BUS don't forget that Chris Brown knows martial arts as well. I guess BDSM has been normalized to impressionable girlies these days?
@@odindarkll3706 yes it is. they have whole university workshops for it now and everything. disaster.
@@zazendom977 the women who crave a toxic man are the particular kinds of women who had turbulent or violent childhoods. when such an environment is what they are accustomed too, it becomes what they crave in a man
it is also a common but underacknowledged phenomenon that women who has a violent husband but who has some intervention and and gets put into shelters will often have this tendency to sneak away and go back, because the violence is almost like an addiction to certain kinds of women.
As soon as Homelander introduced Ryan to Heroes of Duty his journey into evil began
Jesus dude that’s a BIG YOSHI BRO my god!
All my homies HATE Ryan… Kessler was RIGHT 🤣
First time they had Ryan, I thought it was the worst acting. I couldn't stand that kid! Funny enough, I think over time he got better. Not sure if it's even a different kid or not, but it's atleast an improvement of the first. Regardless, he reminds me of the annoying kid they force into soap operas all the time. Even this season, I think he sucks. I'm hoping next season when he gets a little older, he'll finally start doing better. Atleast I'm hoping being it's the last season.
They kept teetering and playing "will he, won't he" with Ryan becoming evil. At the end of season 3 it gets really played up with him smiling after witnessing HL Lazer a guys head off, then starting this season with him gleefully chanting about "humans are just toys for out amusement" with his dad. But then immediately after and for the rest of the season he's still the same sweet and innocent Ryan. He breaks down when he accidentally kills an actor, he's been defiant of everything HL wanted him to do multiple times, even taking problem with encouraging ppl to report on their family's, he's even shown to be afraid of his dad on multiple occasions while visiting Butcher in secret. Then suddenly in the finale he's shocked to hear about the things HL did when HL himself has never been shy about his indifference towards non supes and even trying to convince Ryan to not care about killing them. I can understand him waving that away because that's his dad, but then he accidentally kills "aunt" Mallory that he lived with for a while with absolutely little to no remorse?
That's just inconsistent.
I think you forgot homelander is raising his son to hate/belittle humans and any person that is not an alpha level super hero or villain. He is not a father he is a monster trying to decide if his son is friend or foe. When he has reached that moment of clarity that he is foe, he will kill Ryan. Butcher after seeing Ryan kill, has lost all his humanity and love for his wife and her son and become the monster inside him, Kessler.
Season 5 is going to about resolving whether mercy and love for humanity means the elimination of all supes because the supes represent a force of evil ultimately for humans, leading them into destruction and moral decay as societal norms fall apart and barbarism becomes the norm.
The more I watch this chick's youtube channel, the more she keeps telling herself stuff that just isn't there.
Another example is when she tried to justify Daemon abusing rhaenyra.
You are absolutely right
@@Sleepyleviwho's Damian
You're right I'm aware that he's doing that. That's not what I'm talking about. When I pick up little things, like a T-Rex teaching its little T-Rex to kill and torture other animals, I can admit that the T-Rex is a merciless predator but it's still trying to teach its kid what it thinks it should.
Now because homelander has a lot of psychological issues, you're right in that there might come a time when it just might be too much for him and he'll turn on Ryan or Ryan will turn on him.
However, unlike soldier boy who didn't give a damn who was his kid or related to him and was willing to kill them regardless, given that homelander did not have a moral compass and was raised by corrupt people, it is shocking to me that he remotely cares about Ryan in that capacity at all.
That was my point
@@SleepyleviAnd the more I see your comments is the more I realize you're just out to get people. You argue and are demeaning and condescending to every single person that you speak to in this comment unless they're actively putting down somebody else.
I like your insights and I want you to continue but you don't need to be an asshole.
I see things that other people might not notice. I'm not the only one. There are plenty of people in the comments that might pick up on things that you're incapable of picking up and that's fine.
That's why we have conversations. You don't need to get personally triggered over it.
The dated ideas of SA in this show is appalling. I hate that. Hughie didn’t cheat. He was assaulted and taken advantage of by someone pretending to be Annie. It’s the equivalent of somebody spiking your drink at a bar, being dragged to their place, and then being taken advantage of. Yeah, you did technically sleep with another person, but you didn’t want to.
Now, I can see why Annie would be upset because if you’re going through something and you’re not as fun and spontaneous as you once were and your partner goes for somebody who’s that. It’s the “do you even know me or like me anymore” sort of thing. Also, it’s the horror of somebody using your likeness to do things you wouldn’t normally do or say to a person.
But Annie’s anger is displaced. It should be all directed at the shifter. She and Hughie should have a long talk about what happened when the anger is gone and they can be open and understanding with each other.
Is it only me but Ryans “evillness” came sorta out of nowhere? From what he shows and displays through the entire show is that he is a little afraid of his dad, and doest want to be like him, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE DID IN THE EPISODE BEFORE WHERE HE DIDNT GO WITH WHAT HIS DAD WANT?!?!?? And now he is pretty chiĺl from killing Mallory.
He doesn’t agree with him politically, doesn’t mean he doesn’t agree that humans aren’t shit to him. That’s called “complexity”
Remember earlier in the season when homelander tells him humans are play things and Ryan cracks a smile
Ryan isn’t evil he is just trying to not be used
@@chdh6556 I'm not entirely sure, but it seems "Complexity" is part of "Woke" now.
In this season, we saw both Ryan's good side, and his evil side. On one hand, he felt remorse for killing the stunt performer and stopped the Vought Christmas special propaganda session. But on the other hand, he felt glee in seeing Bourke getting hit by his secretary, and obviously Ryan kills Mallory.
Ryan is still old enough now to know the difference between good and evil, as shown in the puppet show scene. If Ryan was 7 or 8 years old, this would make more sense, but he's like 14-15, at this point. He knows his own mother worked with Mallory and Butcher, and he clearly loved his mother, so even if he didn't fully trust Mallory, he would've stayed with them, for his late mother's sake. He's also clearly seen Homelander can be sociopathic and at the very least, doesn't have emotional control, like how he lasered his own bedroom after seeing the framed portrait. So he knows Homelander is unstable and unpredictable, this a threat.
Basic survival instincts would have had him stay with Butcher and Mallory. Even if they outright admitted to wanting to use him as a weapon, he could just say No, and what are they going to do to him? Homelander can actually end Ryan's life, however. So it makes NO SENSE why Ryan would go running back to Homelander, especially since the US government and Vought aren't the same entities, so he'd have no reason to believe Mallory would treat him the same as Homelander when he was a child. Ryan's actions make zero sense with what they previously established and set-up with him, especially since Mallory was basically a grandmother to him.
The part where starlight just took off into the sky really sent me; because before she could only float in season 3's ending, at the start of 4 she could barely get from A to B, and now she's just soaring through the sky at a much faster rate because im pretty sure she went about 20ft in the air before really taking flight.
And considering she said she could fly 100ft and hughie timed it for around 30 seconds, that means she can probably fly much further, for much longer.
I found it kind of annoying that Starlight's been useless for most of the season. Even when she does manage something, it's just by punching people and not using her Starlight powers. When she finally does use them, it's to run away.
22:58 In this scene Annie definitely came off like an a$$. Her asking Hughie “is that what you want?”
Hell yeah. When you are madly in love with someone you want to make love a LOT!! If the love of your life is being playful, joyous and wants sexy time not many of us are gonna be “nahhh I’m good”
Also yeah I don’t think Annie puts it down like normally.
Yeah, I thought it was unintentionally funny that she was so annoyed with Hughie. Like he should have thought "Starlight is being loving? That's not right, it must be a shapeshifter! The REAL Starlight would never do this!" Doesn't quite send the right message...
He can be evil and a good dad
Villain Dad
There's a movie that I watched where there was this guy who was a villain. I don't remember if it was 2012 but it was definitely a disaster movie.
I think he was Russian and he had twin boys. He sacrificed himself by throwing the second twin boy onto the other ship knowing that he was going to fall onto the propellers and die.
He was a piece of shit but the love he had for his two boys was beautiful
Much like Bowser. 😂
@@Alteori Yes, it was 2012, and yes, he kind of redeemed himself there, showing he loved his sons more than himself.
Starlight: Hates everyone, but herself and is annoying
Homelander: Hates everyone, but himself and is entertaining
There’s not a single Man alive was surprised at Annie’s reaction. Matter of fact we were expecting it. 😂
Yea it's the whole ..."You should know why I'm upset, you should be able to read my mind" lol
Omg ..THANK YOU...I cannot stand all the bloodlust of ppl begging Ryan to off his own dad ...It's His Freakin Dad ...But Homelanders the baddie ...I could Never do that to my dad ...Ryan reacted the way I would have ...He asked to leave multiple times...He was not consenting and they were trying to trap and kidnap him...He didn't have to kill her...But being 12 we've seen he doesn't know his own strength yet .
He's 12, but he's not an idiot.
He absolutely does know his strength. Remember when he accidentally killed that Asian stuntman. The fact that Ryan didn't respond with immediate remorse after killing grace is incredibly concerning. That's why butcher is going full billy butcher next season
@@Sleepylevi um you lit proved me right...he accidentally killed someone...accidentally meaning he didn't know his own strength..He was out being trapped and kidnapped.. possibly forever and even killed... with your adrenaline pumping... Ur fighter flight kicking in...Pretty sure at that moment ur not trying to tramper ur strength...Like do ppl think before commenting...and yeah he's 12...point out one that's not an idiot..congrats u just described a normal preteen boy.
@@mekareactsandreviews3026
Do you think before you type?
Because if Ryan didn't know his strength before, he absolutely does after he effortlessly killed the stuntman. 😂
Killing grace was Ryan embracing his strength for the sake of freedom and ultimately becoming a threat himself. Hence his reaction afterwards. That's what the showrunners have tried to tell u .
@@Sleepylevi Yes but it can still take some time for him to get used to it. You see the remorse on his face after he does that to Grace. He clearly didn't mean to but I guess he justifies it because she's trying to trap him.
If normal human boys have to reign in their behavior and it takes them a few years to mature in both emotion and in their physical strength, imagine how much harder it is for someone like Ryan.
@@Sleepylevi Grace was a kidnapper trying to weaponise a child. Self defense.
I didnt like Sage. She came off to me as the arrogant entitled black woman, and it just rubbed me the wrong way. If they wouldve had Homelander and Sage working together on the plan from tne beginning with no secrets, she wouldve been better in my eyes.
I enjoyed some of her scenes but fucking hated the final scene with her, waltzing in like she set all that up. I'm pretty sure the smartest person in the world is also a fucking absolute idiot.
Marie monroe was enough arrogant entitled black woman for all of the boys and gen v
So she was a depiction of the average American BW then? Most of them are arrogant and entitled. Just ask a BM in confidence.
The problem with writing genius characters is the writers are usually dumb as a box of rocks with zero experience in the real world as theyre sequestered in the writers room trying desperately to avoid writers block.
Sage know how emotional Homelander is, how crazy and explosive he is, that's why she needed to keep secrets from him in order to her plan works. Like the A Train being the leak, he would kill him once he show his face.
The best part that I've seen in this season is Hughie Sr; Simon did a _fantastic_ job at portraying a confused and mentally deteriorating old man, and the sheer chaos of him having super powers made everything that much sadder.
6:00 He r-worded her. It's a huge plot point. Pay attention
I know that is what was said But it's still a bit confusing to me because we see her walk in. What was their connection with each other because we don't see him do this with any other woman. For people who were super beings, I imagine it would be easy for them to take advantage of people without superpowers as it happens all the time in this universe. I think it's possible that he ended up forcing her at the end but it started out consensual.
The boys has always been on the nose with things but with this one thing we don't know as opposed to what other people are saying.
That's the only reason I bring that up. We see it actually front and center with starlight and deep. The boys does not shy away from stuff like that so it's just weird
Yea I never not once saw Becka get extremely upset and outright tell Butcher that's what Homelander did...I think he coerced her some, but I think she went along with it more than against her a hundred percent but then again, these writers would never show a man r-ring a woman LOL...that must be a man only
Homelander loves his son because he needs the approval which was bred into him.
He cut that part out like a cancer
@@NashyChilufya-vd7qp🤨 u watch any scenes with firecracker?
No he Loves Ryan cause that's his son and he knows what it's like not to have a father of his own ..Stop trying to strip that away from the character.
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 Um if they genetically put that in Homelander it's not that he really has a choice he is what his DNA made him. And his need for approval especially from his own family is very important to him. Note he killed everyone except that one lady who told him about his genetic manipulation to be needy. His power play would have been to kill her as well but he didn't.
His weakness... to make him controllable.
“Wanna watch transformers, the one with the racist robots” the one line in the show that I despise the most🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Yeah, this show’s pretty on the nose with what they make fun of. There’s not really much subtlety or intelligence to it it, just “Nazis, racism, and patriarchy bad.”
@@carloszestyboy2901”BuT iT MaKeS fUn oF bOtH sIdEs” 😂
@@sniiiper3d645 To be fair, those robots in were pretty racist stereotypes. Instead of going on an activist crusade, I just DO NOT watch those movies.
I do think the writers were leaving it open for Becca to reveal that she actually did cheat on Butcher with Homelander but decided against it.
In Season 1, Homelander at no point admits to Butcher that it was r***. And in the same scene where he could have admitted to it, he brought a baby within range of an explosive to force Butcher into keeping Stillwell alive long enough for Homelander to interrogate her, then he murdered her right in front of Butcher. He was not in a mood to lie to Butcher.
Granted, it's possible Homelander genuinely has his head so far up his own ass that he thinks any woman would be grateful if he forced himself on her, and so doesn't consider it r***, but then in Season 2 Becca says to Butcher "you hold me up on this pedestal", and it feels like she's about to admit to something, then switches direction and says she was never really capable of helping Butcher keep himself together.
But the biggest thing that makes me think Homelander didn't actually r*** her is that he doesn't have other victims. At no point do we see Homelander r***ing anyone else and the show never implies it. But it does demonstrate that literally all of Homelander's other vices are repeated behaviours because he never faces consequences.
I do think revealing Becca did actually cheat on Butcher was the original intent for the story, but the writers dropped it.
@@wafflingmean4477 damn now I wish the writers would have ran with her cheating. It would have added a whole new level of internal conflict for Butcher.
Season 5 better not screw up
Like a twin tricking people into thinking they're the other one.
*YES*
"Brilliant" - aegon II
It hurt me when she got mad at Hughie but guys, let's be real about this...I can 100% see a girlfriend doing this, at least at first, finding out her man slept with someone 40 times lol. They had the shifter tell us how stuck up Starlight is, she told us she was messed up, doesn't even know who she is.
That crazy powerful girl is from an earlier season. The girl who took Frenchie is from Gen V.
Yeah, but in real life you'd at least see the bf defend himself better and call her out for it. And others also letting her know she was being unreasonable.
@@alexandregrand-pierre1981 in most cases maybe but we're talking about "Wee Hughie" lol. He's not really like that. I clenched my eyes in pain while he was giving his speech on why they need to forgive Neuman because I knew it wouldn't end well. It ended up different than I thought it would but still, that's Hughie!
You didn’t have to explain who the girl was 😭bro doesn’t even watch the shows the reviews she just talks out of her ass🙏🏿💯
Why does no one seem to think Starlight also had a bad time being kidnapped and held captive for 10 days knowing the shifter was doing how knows what? 🤔
@@justinhammer3196 she did. When she got out and choked the shifter to death she says she doesn't even know who she is at that moment. Imagine what was going on in her mind after the shifter showed her the engagement ring. This is just another reason why I can see this exact scenario playing out.
I think that was the lady who was locked up with Love Sausage.
Starlight really caught my attention with how well she played the shifter. I was always a fan of Nirvana but that song sounded really creepy at the end of the boys for some reason
Homelmder sa ryan’s mom. He’s not a sympathetic character fam
Girls are like Annie all the time, don't date twins.
Or lookalikes!
XD
I couldn’t find myself to feel bad for Victoria she was a demon for almost three seasons 😂 only character left to root for is butcher
I hope hughie in the time his captured that he rethinks his relationship with Annie cause he deserves more. I think he should friend zone her because their relationship seems toxic. In season 5 sage and the other characters writing wise deserve so much more. And lastly I thought sage was going to be strangled by the octopus which is huge relief but poor ambrosious(I can't spell her name sorry if I get this wrong) she deserves to be with the deep even though I dislike him.
Love your content! I wanted to add, the actor for Ryan is actually 2 actors, they’re twins and they share the screen time so that both kids can still have normal lives and not spend 100% of their time on set. Thought that was a fun fact :)
It was a fact nobody asked for😂go
Back to you sad depressing life please🙏🏿💯
Tbf Kimiko has a horrible track record against supes, in any scenario that isn't an ambush, she loses. She lost to A-Train, Noir, Stormfront, etc. The only times she technically "won" was either against supes with no super strength like Crimson Countess or in a sneak attack like with A-Train
They kept teetering and playing "will he, won't he" with Ryan becoming evil. At the end of season 3 it gets played off with him smiling after witnessing HL lazer a guys head off, then starting this season with him gleefully chanting about "humans are just toys for out amusement" with his dad. But then immediately after and for the rest of the season he's still the same sweet and innocent Ryan. He breaks down when he accidentally kills an actor, he's been defiant of everything HL wanted him to do multiple times, even taking problem with encouraging ppl to report on their family's, he's even shown to be afraid of his dad on multiple occasions while visiting Butcher in secret. Then suddenly in the finale he's shocked to hear about the things HL did when HL himself has never been shy about his indifference towards non supes and even tried to convince Ryan to not care about killing them. I can understand him waving that away because that's his dad, but then he accidentally kills "aunt" Mallory that he lived with for a while with absolutely little to no remorse?
That's just inconsistent.
For a sec I thought it said released 3 months ago rather than minutes and saw only 26 likes and really said, “No way Alteori fell off.” I was right, she didn’t.
She basically victim blames Hughie because if he knew it wasn't her he wouldn't of consented to that...its kinda messed up, just because hes a guy its different? He got violated playing webweaver too! I felt so bad. Did not like Annie this season. Loved Kimiko and Frenchie as always and shrieked when they got together.❤
I knew Alteori was gonna be on my side about not liking Starlight, that's why I waited for her review to come out.
Homelander cleaning up after his son is the cutest thing I've seen ever seen from a villian. It definitely humanized him.
Unpopular opinion: starlight was mentally tortured by someone who pretended to be her and took over her life also the amount of times they had intercourse (which isn't normal) without Hugie questioning anything is an added factor to that anger and disappointment. She being mad at hugie was pretty reasonable in that case because it simply could be described in two words: "character flaw"
They made up like 2 seconds later because annie probably realised it wasn't fair. People are overreacting to much about this and especially since people already dislike starlight for the most part
Peoples reaction was understandable but not fair in my opinion.
She wasnt mentally tortured, she was left alone with food and water... do you think being grounded is mental torture too? The shifter only goes back once to "recharge" her shift for plot and then just shits all over starlights clear hypocrisy and then leaves. There was no torture. Dont give me "solitary confinement is the worst torture there is" bs either, its weeks upon weeks of solitary, not 10 days.
The fact that Annie was hurt Hughie didn’t realize something was wrong sooner, when she was chained up in a room for over a week… uh, yeah I’d be a little unnerved and disappointed in him too. Being fair, Annie did get past it soon after.
Also the same people hating on Annie are forgiving Homelander’s BS behavior when he’s SA’d Becca and murdered hundreds of people. 🤷 seems disproportionate
@@Nightman221kthey never actually showed homelander r wording her though like they did with hughey..so we don't actually know what happened behind that door
@@robbieracer3294 not this again 💀....
It's multiples time implied that Becca didn't like homelander so it's weird she would willingly go with him, considering you can't escape homelander alive. The whole reason why butcher didn't wanted to tell Ryan how he was conceived because he is a product of assault. The show stated multiple times she was raped. And in the comics Becca was also raped so it follows that route. It obviously adds for more rage and shock so why would it not be true when the show itself states it clearly!
The only people doubting is the audience when the show as well as the comics are clear about it.
@zhongliswallet6241
Except it was explained don the show itself that the shapeshifter can steal memories and thoughts of the person she touches, too. It also doesn't excuse the fact she never apologized for her wrong actions and none of the other Boys call Annie out on her shit (which would make it a character flaw; this wasn't a character flaw, the writers legit want you to side with Annie.) Not to mention Kripke trying to gaslight the audience into thinking a "real relationship" means the person you're with treats you like shit and someone genuinely enjoying your company and loving you is some "toxic male incel gamer fantasy." The fact they legit tried to frame Annie's shitty and selfish behavior as "the reasons why she's such a good girlfriend" is insane.
So no. Had anyone else called out Annie on her behavior, had she apologized, had she remembered the shapeshifter can steal personal memories and thoughts from people, or remembered Hughie was just SA'ed a week ago, and just lost his father, it would make her more redeemable. As it stands, she's just a piece of sh*t who refuses to change or grow up, even after the shapeshifter and Firecracker called her out on it. (But their opinions don't matter, cause they're "bad.")
I think Homelander cleaning up Ryan's stuff in his apartment/place was either to get rid of anything that reminds him of Ryan in that moment due to his anger and frustration or because he feels like he can only live in a place that is squeaky clean (like it's always been). I could be totally wrong but I'm excited to see where things go! :)
@Kleed44 it's been insinuated multiple times in the series that Homelander hates mess so you're right, he's tidying up because he hates the mess, it's nothing at all to do with him being fatherly
(SPOILERS)
Hughie gets SA'ed twice in this season, in back-to-back episodes. The showrunner, Eric Kripke, thinks it's "funny" as he said in interviews. On top of that, Hughie is also the victim of emotional (Star)gaslighting from a shapeshifter, and thought he was going to marry the real Annie. And as soon as she gets free, the real Annie treats him like complete shit, once again, and dismisses his SA. Just an absolute C-U-Next-Tuesday of a (super)human being.
Oh, and they tried to un-gay Frenchie after turning him gay. Nope; that's not gonna work. The Progressive left is gonna hate that, and no one else will buy it. You ruined the character permanently and Kimiko wouldn't want to romantically have anything to do with a gay man now, anyway. (No, most people don't genuinely believe in pansexuality, especially in an already poorly-written show.)
And the way they handed both Victoria and Mallory were so stupid. It's like they just did those scenes for the sake of fake drama and tension, not because they actually make sense in-character. The Ryan scene was stupid and came completely out of nowhere, and it set up the Victoria Neuman scene with Butcher, right after. It's like they completely derailed the natural progression of events just to force the plot into season five. Because realistically, Ryan would've stayed with Butcher and Mallory (also allowing Homelander to go truly evil in season five since he'd have nothing left in his life), and Butcher would've used Victoria as a spy/asset to get closer to Homelander. But no; can't go doing things that would make sense now!
And they deny The Deep any kind of redemption arc, simply because he's a straight white male, even though A-Train hurt far more people and acted worse throughout the show's run. If they wanted Homelander to truly look bad, then they could've shown how he mentally abused The Deep and how The Deep could've finally developed bravery and stood up to Homelander by saving the Vought employees (especially after he let his octopus lover pass away), before being taken out by Homelander. But nope. The Deep is just evil now, for no reason, despite always having been more human than A-Train ever was.
Only thing I liked in this finale was Sage and Firecracker sticking around and not being offed, like most people would've expected. But there's no way I'm returning to season five after this steaming turd of episodes.
You're correct, I already saw at least two articles lamenting that The Boys didn't keep Frenchie gay, so the show is dead to them.
You can never pander hard enough to the Left, they will always demand more
No way you said that about Frenchie. In season two he was shown to have a sort of polyamorous thing going on and was outright called gay. Frenchie is 100% bisexual, it’s just that nobody can remember those things
Bruh, just wait until the progressive lefties find out about frenchies actor being an israeli zionist and idf veteran complicit in the palestinian genocide. All this leftist pandering is going to be for nothing as theyre likely going to abandon this show. The writers and showrunners wont care because they already got their money.
Ever heard of "Bisexual"?
This is why I skipped this season at the halfway point. It took until the season finale for the characters to pretend that their boring subplots didn't nerfed them and/or they reverted back from caricatures of themselves. Speaking of nothing happening, that's the entirety of season 4 in a nutshell. Frenchie getting a hard on over a nothing character only for him to die (something I called out before halfway through the season) is very predictable and deconstructed Frenchie as a character. everyone else does the same thing, such as Butcher seemingly dying and then getting mega buffed because the creators finally wanted to move the overarching story along.
Homelander's actor said he doesn't want Homelander to be redeemed and I agree.
Of course he doesnt, starr is a progressive leftist after all and homelander is "literally trump"
Somehow they made S4 Starlight worse than S1 Amber from Invincible.
I gasped out loud and teared up when Kimiko spoke. Shit fucked me up. Im 36 years old. Man.
Starlight ditching Hughie when they were cornered by Vough😂😂😂. That man can not catch a break.
Yeah she was like no homie I can fly now. I can't get caught lacking with you.
lol today was a hard day to be a parent but your laughter and grace with respect to Homelander’s parenting makes me feel like I’m doing okay. Thanks!
I had beef and vegetables today from China Garden so I was eatin like your cat. Nom nom nom!
Sounds delicious!
@@MatthewTheWanderer it was so tasty and went with my diet too!
@@mugglescakesniffer3943 Awesome!
He doesn’t love his son he sees his son as an extension of himself and not an individual, he’s cleaning up after himself in that respect
Like Jesus Christ, as someone who’s dad was a terrible person I can promise you it’s better to grow up without them
As a guy who grew up without a dad, you dont know what youre talking about at all. Children need their fathers, barring mentally ill and abusive parents. 2 parent household are objectively better than single parent ones.
I mean, being a good father is his one redeemable quality
People seem to forget that annie was locked in there for 10 days getting tortured of course you’re going act different when you come back from being locked up like that
Exactly.
hey alteori i recommend "peacemaker" it's like the boys but funnier, i wouldn't say it's better but I'm very much enjoying it so far
What would you rate it out of 10?
@@coltonbarnes7861 like an 8
@@youknowicanwrite50lettersi9 i think ill give it a watch then, thanks
I got so mad at Annie’s reaction to Hughie. Hughie was TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF! He was lied to by the Shapeshifter- like everyone else.
He didn’t know! She’s holding him responsible for something that he didn’t KNOW.
If my partner was in Hughie’s position and we both found out he was sexually taken advantage of- the only person I would be hating on- is the one who lied to them.
But no- angry women have to be angry and make it about themselves.
If the genders were switched- people would hate Hughie and sympathize with Annie.
But no- it’s “different”.
I love when ppl can see Homelander other than just evil...Yes he's a villain but he's more than that....But because the way the show creators have tried to paint him as a exaggerated Trump figure..Making ppl automatically hate him and refuse to give him any nuance is absolutely annoying and so low IQ.
Homelander is not a good person at all. If the dude had any good qualities before, they are most definitely gone by now. What else do you not understand, and how much does the show have to hit u in the head with it 😂
@@SleepyleviDo u not speak English...Where did u read where I said he was good .I lit said he's a villain...do u need me to explain to u the meaning of villain...But it's more to him then that...and the fact that it seems u don't understand nuance...I'm not surprised u can't pick that up for urself
@mekareactsandreviews3026
I can understand that homelander has feelings of anger, sadness, and happiness. Those are all human qualities that he possesses. But he isn't anything more than a raging narcissist. The show has not shown anything else otherwise.
Idk what else u can say that shows he's anything more than that
His "love" for his son was the closest thing to something that could deem him as more but then the showrunners have shown u consistently that he only sees Ryan as an extension of himself.
@@Sleepylevi Yes cause if it went over ur Head it must not exist...I truly feel sry for ppl like u ..The narrowness u see the world through seems so absolutely boring..U can continue to view the show that way.. The rest of will continue to view the show with more nuisance and perspective..but u do u
he's _sympathetic,_ yes, but he's not a good person. Please, he literally killed innocent scientists alongside the ones who tormented him in episode 2. He doesn't give a damn.
His kindness is selective, which, isn't a problem in and of itself but its like Hitler who wanted to ban cigarettes and loved animals. I know those are good qualities. I know it'll never excuse him either too.
Ironically, you accusing the other commenter that they only "view the world in a certain way" and being condescending is really absolutist in a way.
That chokehold was 20 seconds max. I'm convinced they just passed out. I was waiting for Starlight to finish the job.
As soon as I finished the episode I was patiently waiting for this video
honestly the way I saw it Annie wasn't blaming Hughie, she was just frustrated about the whole situation going on, this season really highlighted a lot of faults and upbringing for the characters and really makes you appreciate them more.
On one hand, Starlight showing no sympathy for hughie getting violated is very off-putting.
On the other hand, for guys, I think it's easier to cope thinking that we have taken advantage in that situation, even though it's the other way around.
I think it's simply much easier to cope that way.
But I don't think all men can make themselves believe that. It's still definitely traumatizing for many men.
It's still rape. If its rape when it happens to a woman, it's still rape when it happens to men.
Question is, is Starlight going to apologize for how she treated Hughie in Season 5, or will the show keep its weird double-standard around sexual assault?
@@plasmabeamgames I imagine it is every fan's hope that Starlight can get her sh** together and actually become a lovely person for Hughie.
But I don't have much confidence that the showrunners will rein in the unhinged contempt for us straight people with handles.
Especially in a political climate where the big funny orange man seems to be coming back for round 2. These "progressive" folks'll have even more axes to grind, and the Boys is such a great outlet.
Try actually living through it IRL... That is what's wrong with Starlight: her lack of empathy and straight up blaming Hughie for getting SAed multiple times. The Starlight from earlier seasons isn't the same character we have in the current season. Like her, a lot of characters were full of spite and became caricatures of themselves before the season finale.
I feel so bad for Hughie he’s been through so much, and Homelander is I’m not gonna lie he’s my favorite antagonist. He’s petty as hell I saw that scene where he took the milkshake back made me laugh besides that he’s truly so messed up in so many ways and it’s insane to me how he’s even able to function.
Hey Alteori, Idk if you still do these types of videos or not, but you think you can do a video on What if Smaug was in GOT?
I feel like you may be over-empathizing with Homelander. The dude R'd the kids mom, resulting in her having Ryan. Then forced his presence on her. Basically stole him from her using Stormfront, who then tried to kill her, ending in her death. He's not a good parent, he may have the motivations of a parent, but he is not a parent.
I think the Shapershifter was supposed to be better than Starlight, that was kind of the point, the carefree, "perfect version" to build on the idea that the real one isn't perfect and can't be that. Its a fact that so many guys would want their SO to be their favorite version of them all the time. That doesn't mean they want a different person, but people can't be like that in reality. The shapeshifter is like that only because she is faking it.
I honestly wasn't that bothered by the S&M scene with Hughie. He was just tickled, which isn't fun like that, but if he was subjected to other more "s*xual" aspects I'd be more bothered. It is a bit crappy how they gloss over Hughie basically being R'ed by the shapeshifter, like if the genders were reversed, you'd see some serious rage. I don't fault Starlight's initial reaction to it since she also went though some sh*t but it seems the show glosses over it. Like, when a woman gets tricked into s*x its a horrible experience but if it happens to a guy, no big deal, guess he got lucky. Kind of a BS double standard. I'm sure some wouldn't be bothered but Hughie seems like a pretty wholesome dude, and very loyal so I'd think, maintaining character, he'd feel a bit violated by the realization.
To Alteori's example of it being "the best ever" That, I feel would make it worse. Not only were you tricked, not only did you do it, but you enjoyed it, potentially more than your actual partner, the amount of guilt in addition to the feelings of violation, oof, that'd be rough.
I think Starlight's Arc this season, cause of her power issues, is stress and anxiety. That seems to be the overall theme of this season, as MM and even Frenchie were shown to buckle under the pressure of the situation. She had her powers early in the season but lost them, I think that is because her goal at the end of the last one was mostly to get away from the crap drama, politics, etc. Its the ironic twist that she was so much more free when she was ignorant of the plight of people, now she has to be a leader, people looking up to her and the real responsibilities that come with it. That disappeared at the end when they were all fleeing, she had the burden lifted allowing her to look at the future FOR HER, more positively.
The shapeshifter was able to be overpowered by Starlight because they have the same strength. It appears that the shapeshifter takes powers, in the scene when she is talking to the real Starlight, she mentions issues with the powers, putting her hands out. So it seems whatever if blocking the original carries over to the shapeshifter.
This is why I don't think its unreasonable for the shapeshifter to be as strong / stronger than Kimiko, since Starlight is a top tier Supe, and the real starlight was able to beat her.
Also, its been stated, even before this season, that it will end at 5. In my opinion, they probably had enough for 4.5 seasons , or an extra long (10-12 ep) 4th season, but there's no money in that, so they split it then added a little bit of filler to drag this part out into a full season.
@@TearDownGenesisyou werent bothered by hughies grape scenes because you didnt see the worst of it explicitly? The guy broke down in tears afterwards and just put his dad down like a sick and old dog... but you think he was just tickled?
They kinda jumped a few sharks here and there and I feel like these last two episodes had some heavy editing before being aired.
A lot of this season was an absolute mess. The funniest for me was the amount of people loudly defending Frenchie's random and unprecedented bi romance and the fact that he and Kimiko would never consummate their would-they/won't-they relationship because Kimiko so obviously turned Frenchie down in a previous season and despite previous seasons having set the stage for it; Frenchi was bi and everyone complaining had to get over it.
So...now...also suddenly and without any real setup Kimiko is somehow clearly in love with Frenchie, always has been, and they're now in a relationship because the end of the season needed them to be so that Kimiko could have her emotional moment? The writers could've just as easy spent the season working on Frenchie and Kimiko undoing the stupid "let's just be friends" moment from last season and given them an actual romantic arc instead of wasting Frenchie's screen time with a romance that came out of nowhere and went nowhere. and giving Kimiko literally anything else to do this season instead of largely wasting her. So much of this season was just story beats that went nowhere.
halothane is an anesthetic, not a lethal substance, you dont know what youre talking about
also this was a build up season for the final season which is probably season 5 if that makes you so angry and that its ''overstayed its welcome'' maybe you shouldn't watch it just because something doesn't go as you wanted it to like the walking dead or just because you didnt pay attention and just say it doesnt make sense
if HOMELANDER deserves a 'redemption arc' then anyone does because no one is born evil and we're just a product of our experiences
remember that, starlight murdered and carjacked a innocent men who offered to drive injured butcher to hospital in season 2
she also called him stupid for trying to defend himself with gun.