LOW $, EBAY CIVIC TURBO TEST
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- DYNO RESULTS-LOW-$ TURBO KIT, HONDA CIVIC, DOES IT WORK? CX RACING CIVIC EX TURBO KIT. WHAT YOU GET AND WHAT ELSE YOU NEED. Can you really get cheap turbo power for your Civic? How well do they work? What else do you need? We ran the CX Racing turbo kit at several different boost levels (boost curves supplied). How much power can cheap turbos make?
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I like to see everything. All of the content you have been posting has made you my favorite youtuber atm...
this is the facts
Richard: "Bolt-ons or boost?"
Me: BOTH!
10+ yrs ago, My first experience with a turbo Honda was a 95 ex budget build. A friend of mine ran an old Mercedes turbo with a dsm side mount intercooler, injectors, and bov. Burned a chip with his own tune by crunching some numbers (on the rich side) and this thing was impressive! We later walked a 350z and that guy was confused and angry by the beater civic that just pulled on him. Lol Project Payless was the cars name.
I still have my Moates Burn2 and Crome on and old laptop haha Back in the day "tunes"
@@kennethpowers8995 That's a piece of history right there! I'm pretty sure that's what my friend used. Best part of his build was that he boost controlled it with his right foot so it wouldn't go over 10psi. 🤣 The turbo was internally gated to about 14? And he didn't want to make too much power on the stock internals d16z6.
I’m sorry late reply but did this thing last for a long time?
@svKam it ran perfect for the 3 years my friend had it. He sold it to a younger guy that drove it too hard and melted the top of a piston. He was doing 5th gear pulls on the highway. The stock D series will last forever if you keep it at 200whp or less and don't do back to back 5th gear pulls. Lol
Just non stop quality content coming out of this channel, thank you!
Im pretty sure I heard you mention the Ford/Yamaha SHO V8 a few weeks ago, I'd love to see that engine in a video.
This would be sick
Same here! Yamaha designs and builds engines for other manufacturers and they're awesome!
@Daver G as a generalization, it's definitely true about the engine falures. As specifics go, those failures were due to the cam lobes spinning independently from the shaft causing agressive and unwanted timing change that causes piston to valve contact. Most OHC motors are interferance engines so if the mechanism for controlling timing (cam, belt, chain, tensioner) ever fails, there will be piston to valve contact.
Why are we even talking about this? Well because while most engines have cams ground from a solid billet, this motor strangely had its lobes made seperate from the shaft which was hollow and interference sawgged onto the shaft. As history proves this was a terrible idea because the lobes rotate over time. I assume that after the Ford Yamaha partnership that yielded such awesome cylinder head potential wasn't cheap, they maybe chose a process they could tone down some of the final cost😬.
After the failures forever doomed the motor to "that motor with catastrophic engine failures," they recalled vehicles and welded their lobes to the shaft thus fixing the issue for the stock bumpsticks. What you have left is a very promising small displacement DOHC (Yamaha-headed) V8.
Not a terrible candidate for love just like it's past V6 counterpart. And since we're talking about performance mods, ported heads, and aftermarket cams mean that the "engine failure" stigma becomes irrelevant so long as one does the usual stuff you do for big power (ARP hardware, MLS head gaskets, etc).
Even 3.0-3.2 SHO V6 as well. They put out good power back than. Something around 224hp.
Daver G my mom had one. It lost compression in three cylinders in an instant. She traded it for something else rather than look into repairing it.
Big bang k24a1/4, j30/2/5, these are getting swapped in all kinds of rwd cars would be interesting to see
Problem with that is the cost to do rwd trans swap is like 2k
@@mattwallace7058 not really some of these adapters can be had pretty cheap especially to the BMW transmissions
I wanna see an isuzu 2.6l 4ze1
NICE!! I built my D16A6 block with Z6 head, modified stock B18B rods and vitara pistons. I ran a T25 from a 2nd gen eclipse turbo and it was a nice quick spooling turbo.10 PSI always came on at 3,000 RPM. plenty of power For a gutted 89 CRX SI
You and the people around you are great because of all the trial and error you save people some of us are not tech savvy and would appreciate a quick verbal rundown on the price of the components thanks for everything
If you have any content on the "H" series honda engines that would be pretty cool
i was just about to comment. id love to see what you can to to make good reliable power. (keep the motor together for a while) and what it takes to get the numbers up there. the H gets a lot of bad rep for boosted applications. but i know it could be built for some mild power, and be reliable.
Yes! Perfect video for all the high school kids out there.
I started on Honda’s back in the day.
Twenty years later, I may pick up another b series or single cam just as a fun little project.
I am now going to try to find a 1988ish civic 4 door. Been 25 years since I last had one, going to give this idea a try. Thank you for the motivation, can not let you have all the fun! :)
My son just bought one last night. All because of this video. Got a pretty good deal $2500 for a one owner with 46000 miles on it.
Totally the best UA-cam I've ever watched.
I would like to see the difference a normal turbo placement would compare to a rearmount fitment.
Would only take re plumbing and we could learn a lot. Like the long cold air pipe cooling the inlet charge.
Keep up the good work !👍👍
You should test out the f22a engines they have huge ports....extremely underrated engines imo.
Super weak rods unfortunately
Honda’s red headed step child. Not a huge fan of them, but you can throw money at anything and make some reliable power.
@@youtubeisbroken241 the rods are actually kinda cheap for honda stuff
F20B as well!
Fuck yeah! Big Block SOHC.
I wanna see you continue with the stellar content! Keep it up homie! Love the channel!
Man this is great let’s see a CB7 Accord with the bog standard F22A with a turbo kit, owned one back in the day and loved that car
Yeah, that would be nice.
Was it reliable?
What do I want to see? Big bangs of all the cheap stuff, regardless of market or era. Some starters:
Toyota 7M
Toyota 1/2/3UZ
Ford Lima
Ford V6 Ecoboost
GM V6's (Buick, 90 Degree, High Value)
GM Ecotec
Nissan SR (I can only imagine what would happen from the internet explosion)
Nissan VG (Single AND DOHC)
Honda H, D, B, K
Mercedes and BMW (all the inline 6's!)
And while I know you can't just do "more of the same" without eventually repeating yourself, you're on a great start. Most of us seem to really like ALL of the content you're putting out, so I think you're doing something right.
Love your videos dude, notification squad everytime 👌 love the Honda stuff, would be awesome to see rotary stuff too, like porting and such, maybe some turbo K series or something too. Either way it's awesome.
legend has it that it is unicorns that makes the low buck e-bay turbo kits
Long live the little D series!!!
I love it.. very good video. I just got my car off the dyno d16z6 speedfactory rods, pistons (vitara) stock head and cam. Made 327 284 on 17.6 pounds of boost. 14 degrees of timing on e85. Fun cheap little street car
Which rods?
Rod length sry
@@doccabs3655 138.63mm rod length
I'm sure most people would be surprised by a boosted d16, I know I was... still and always have rwd/awd cars until I played with a civic hatch for a joke...
Funny enough I still have it 7 years later, and it's a blast.... never thought I'd say that lol
Makes 320whp and it's funny how it walks regular vettes lol
Too bad they are thief magnets, don't let yours get stolen.
I had a room mate that had a del sol with the same power. And it was insane.
3rd gear at 90mph the thing wanted to torque steer the wheel out of your hand if you weren’t used to it.
On the dyno it had a theoretical top speed of 170mph with the “dx” transmission.
Sad times when we pulled the original head gasket at 230,000 miles had the head ported, bigger turbo cam and eagle rods.
Funny thing was that it didn’t make more power on the dyno.
The drive home revealed the problem.
Machine shop had left sand in the oil passages and the motor seized.
@@fastinradfordable
Hahaha I know right, first thing that comes to mind is a sketchy rocket. Swapping out of a cx/dx tranny is a well worth mod. On a bone stock civic hatch it'll run 1 full second in a quarter faster, best bang for your buck mod on these cars, not to mention when you boost it you can stay in boost vs it drop off and be laggy.
Funny story about that....
I just swapped to the lower gear ratio trans out of a ex and I was rolling down the highway and a blown Camaro rolls up on me so I downshifted from 4th to 2nd, (that was the move on the cx trans as the gears where soooooooo long) but I had forgotten that i just swapped trans and sppppppssssshhhh, whhhhaaaaaa boom...
Lol the turbo spooled to the moon and the rpm jumped to something off the tach lol before I could push the clutch in she grenaded a rod out the block but it still was running on 3 cyl... I was pretty impressed and disappointed at the same time
Impressed at the motor, and disappointed at my stupidity lol
Ps that's a sad story!!
I want to see ALL OF THE CONTENT, Lol. I've watched a lot of your videos and they've helped me learn quite a bit. I very much appreciate the wealth of knowledge that you're making available here!
Cletus pfi sloppy mechanics and you are my favorite channels
You probably won't see my comment but I bought your book this Monday and am on Chapter 8 already. Idk if you've written any more books but I loved every bit of the Honda Book (I skipped Supercharging because I don't intend on ever going supercharged). Loved your book. Thank you for the content.
D-series big bang please!
Bought 250 horse
I am mostly a Mopaar guy but I truly enjoy all of your vids, they all are relatable to any air pump that you add some fuel to and rev the shit out of
I became a fan after watching one video. I hope you can show some love to the fairly common, but often overlooked, 2.5 liter 5 cylinder Volkswagen engine. Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing more of your content!
Turbo charged a Vore tech 4200 stock to see how much power you can make off a stock engine
Great content! I'm building a boosted B16A2 so I hope my mechanic listen to your tips! 😁👏👏👏
Like to see holley x or xmax. Does self tunning work better than having a tuner tune it?
2nd this
I want to turbo my crappy D17 even though everyone says dont. Thank you for this video.
Well....Since you asked......502 BB NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 460 stroker NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 283 NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 267 NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 400 SB NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 360 Chrysler NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged Dodge Durango V6 NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged Honda S 2000 NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 327 NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged 572 BB NA Supercharged and Turbo Charged Audi 2.0 Turbo upgrade. Oh and cam and head upgrades like you always do! Anyone think of anything else? Lol My favorite channel Richard. Awesome videos, love watching them.
Honda J series boosted.
Either turbo or beltdrive.
Stock and home ported
Hell yes. Honda stuff keep it coming! A b20vtec boosted and a b18c boosted would be sweet stock and forged would be great comparisons
You haven’t tested an Aussie Barra
Test a Barra!
Do unconventional stuff. K20 pistons I’m an h22, b series vs k series, itb’s vs high dollar intake manifolds,cheap Chinese camshafts vs big dollar name brand cams. Block filler vs sleeves etc. keep the Honda videos coming! Thank you for what you do!
CXRacing turbo is just as good as any on the market i know running one on my civic as we speck.
Love it Richard.. don;t forget the FORD Ecoboost and the GM Ecotec tubo
It would be cool if you or someone did dyno tests this in depth and this thorough with Mazda rotary engines
R18=Honda+Other Guys crossover episode.
This kind of stuff I really like. I know this was a really popular setup and today guys could still duplicate this. I am sure guys with stuff from all decades and brands would really like to see this, especially at the wheels
Richard "BOOST" Holdener
I’d like some more I6 specifically BMW M52B28 series as found in 96-99 328s. I’m about to install a CX top mount kit and will be using RomRaider tools suite to tune . Love the content !
I would like to see some videos about the 1uzfe. Both the non-VVTI and VVTI.
big bang k24. I really want to build one of these, and want to know how much the block will take.
A k24a2-A3 can take 500whp stockblock and sleeves 700-800whp.
Do some Subaru stuff EJ & FA motors Please!!! I love all engines! They all have there quirks and pros/ cons!
A breakdown of fmu use and related “tuning” techniques would be interesting
Easy, dont use FMUs lol
More Ford 400M stuff. Great content Richard!!!
All the content is awesome. And I'm sure all the Honda content you got would be awesome as so show it all.
As a fellow tuner I've had this idea in my head for a while (12y) with Honda's and chrome with an HHO cell see if we can manage the tune out the gas completely on HHO using a propane injection Maybe
h2tools.org/bestpractices/hydrogen-compared-other-fuels
You should do a water meth injection test, with different location for spray, direct port, close to tb and right after intercooler
Even before the IC could be useful, close to compressor outlet. Total evaporative cooling might help keep IAT's at the TB more consistent over a long pull.
I personally prefer the black tar heroin PCP mix injection straight to the jugular...👍
King of the junkyards, here's an idea. Fab something up and adapt that GM v6 supercharger you tested on an LS and topped out at 300 ish horse, on 6 or 8 cylinders 😅, on a small Honda, and see if it can do that there. You said those can be found for dirt around there, and I recall some other UA-camrs getting a Honda DelSol for 200 bucks. Some injectors, at that level one could go for some Subaru ones or something, nothing special aftermarket, maybe a fuel pump from a truck, 300 horse for 500 bucks in something that weights nothing, would be something, maybe.
D series hero! Thanks for making this video
Would love to see a torque-monster made out of the Acura 3.7L or Honda 3.5L with some home head-porting, intake mods, throttle-body mods, N/A or Turbo, more torque the better.
A truly budget build? Sign me up!
Right on
I would love to see some b18b stuff. Here goes... In the spirit of challenging conventional wisdom I would like to ask the question, could a built LS head be superior for turbo applications? Here is why I ask, the LS head yes has smaller valve diameter than a gsr/ b16a head but, I believe the valves can be upgraded to 33 mm. Secondly the LS has a longer valves and the valve stems are larger than the gsr/b16a. Springs and cam can provide huge improvements there. From what I have found, the LS head can support more valve lift Soo, GSR sized valves plus more lift probably = good! I do have concerns of valve clearance here which is one reason I ask. In this configuration I presume a dished piston would be ideal, lower compression, more valve clearance blah blah turbo happy. Lastly to bring this all together and this is where the hate comments will come, having a single fuel and ignition timing map should create a more stable and reliable tune as compared to VTEC. I have always feared lean conditions when VTEC kicks as the new maps switch.
A Honda F23 big bang would be cool
you ever do any 4 cly toyota engines? they can hold some power and really easy i have a friend who has a all stock internal corolla 2zrfxe engine and is pulling 320whp and 300wtq on stock reflashed ecu at about 15lbs of boost id love to see some of that action and they are now starting to have a bit more support for these engines NA and FI
I'd like to see a honda v6 turbo setup. I've got a odysee 3.5 and a to type-s 3.2 always wondered how easy it would be to make 500hp with it.
Another vote for 3.5L V6 Honda Odyssey. I'd like to see a sleeper minvan!
I have a good friend swapping a 3.2 into an NSX with boost-will do a video
Shopping online for cheap E-bay turbo kit for my daily-driver.
*This video pops up*
I look around the room
Wow 280whp on factory D-Series rod bolts.... that's pretty high!
How about a Nitrous K24a2 (2006-2008 Acura TSX). Fuel, cams, ring gap etc. Keep up the great content 👍
Let's see some 12v vr6 stuff!!
Thanks for the great videos Rich! CX Racing is low budget.... but not bad kits
There quality is very shoddy.....
Their*
popomomo12 :Lol. I am guilty too. My English Epic Fail.
@@popomomo12 Im sure if you over spin the turbo is doomed for failure......remember low budget
@@PVW4EVER i can agree for sure
Thanks a lot for these Honda vídeos!!! 😃👏👏👏 really cool
I know they are very popular with the younger crowd especially but I always wondered why do people put so much time money and effort into a Honda when you can put it into a Chevy V8?
Great video Richard, very cool to see as I have a turbo sohc Honda myself. I am curious to see the differences in power/response between different sized intercooler piping. Say 2.5" vs 3" for example. Thank you.
D-series 14 psi on stock Rods and Pistons? I wonder how long that will last
Everyone has done turbos on Honda's 4 cylinder engine but the 6 cylinder motors are hardlytouched. I would like 6 cylinder stuff.
Ezequiel Ortiz : In the Americas Ezequiel. Hondata and Crome are the worlds easiest Fuel curve computers, and Hondas no turbo edict makes fours the most natural go to. Down here in Australia and New Zealand, its all in line sixes. Ive done a 250 Honda Cross Flow head 84 Falcon, a turbo Cologne 2.3 V6 Taunus, and had a host of six cylinder Toyotas, Nissan LD28 Diesel Ford Falcon and a LD 28 Nissan engined Holden Commodore . My last RB25 was a Stagea RS4. The only problem....Richard Holdener said it best "Pumps and Hose...".Current rides Suzuki Vitara and RAV 4.1 with 3SGE.
Considering how rapidly that torque curve drops off above 6500 rpm, it looks like valve float is beginning or something weird is going on with the turbo. That motor should be making peak power at 7000 rpm or higher. The one thing I don’t like about cheap turbos are the manifold designs. The primaries need to be longer and equal length.
I'd like to see a truck motor build... how much power can you squeeze out of the lowest rpm.
B16 head flow bench numbers. Sohc motors rip.. you can rip em up to 15 20psi or more. Its all about the fueling and tune.
Let's see how ported heads affect power and torque, bit by bit, do the throat, then port match, then 3 angle valve seats, cut back valves, bigger inlet valves etc......rather than just the V8 stuff where a different head is bolted on.
Thanks dad! Id love to see any import engine tests. 2z rb 13b etc.
Surprised the rods didn't turn into noodles past the 230 mark lol. I'd like to see a big bang F22a non vtec, they get crap for blowing ringlands so it'd be interesting to see what some ring gap would do!
I'd like to see you guys push the limits a 2.7l ecoboost
I love all your content, but I'm currently wanting to put a boosted B20 in my Civic wagon oh, so I'd like to see some B20 combinations.
More b series stuff pretty please
I would like to see a test done on exhaust manifolds for turbo kits for civics. I have an 08 Honda Civic SI... and was trying to figure out if there's a difference between the log manifold and a sidewinder manifold besides ease of installation or the ability to get at the turbo easier with the sidewinder manifold. Also cast manifold vs the basic I guess it would be aluminum manifold? Thank you love the channel been subscribed also more k-series stuff
It takes a man to understand that Honda's, like all engines, can make power with boost.
I like how much different stuff u are doing very into the honda stuff have a d15b7 turbo making 215 on a t2 turbo with no vtec and big billet camshaft has a very nasty idle
Custom grind or which one, interested.
Got eg sedan dx
@@doccabs3655 custom from a local cam grinder in Australia 280 advertised duration and 10mm lift
Please do a 7th gen d17 tubo. Rumor says the cant handle like 400hp.
I love your other guys videos. It would be great if you could expand it further, into other odd ball import and domestic performance engines. Say the GM v6s or the hot Toyota 4cyls.
eBay turbo kit vs Jackson racing supercharger on Single Cam Vtec
Would love to see some F22a1-6 any of those motors the ex motor from the 92 93 accords i have several of these i just ported a head and am doing a full rebuild on one with new rings and bearings and a balance shaft delete so if you possibly happen to have one of those motors that would be cool to watch any honda content really though even though on the boost side of things you got it pretty well covered i love NA as well as e 85 so if you do anything along those lines that would be cool
I would like to see Some durability test on these cheap Honda motor. So Not only power runs, But also, run the engine hard for longer than a power run or, heat up the coolant temp (what they al wil do 😜) and lets see what happn.
Basicly, what wil happen when you run an engine like this hard in the real world. With accelaration and decelAration.
Looking forward to that 😃
You should do a d16 vitara build detailed and push it to the limit!
I enjoy the older Honda stuff. Show some more B & D series
I will like to see 2009 honda fit sport 1.5l
How is this channel not huge
its growing
Something on the ecotec engine, they have a great bottom end and currently the fastest 4cyl ¼mile on a stock block and head
How about a LS factory ported head shootout? From guys like Texas speed vs Katech vs Advanced Induction.
I’d really like to see more nitrous on everything.... now I know that’s vague but honestly I would like to know how much nitrous “Stock” engines will handle the laughing gas. Especially the Ford 400M. Thank you
The 400M makes a kick ass trot line weight.
Would love to see you do a NA Subaru sohc ej251 engine with a turbo
Love the content, would love to see a B18B limit on nitrous, I have been running mine on 100 shot for a while and want to take it to 150hp but also have a turbo kit for it and not sure if I should just slap the turbo on or keep the nitrous.
Excellent!! I love B, D, and K series stuff. Have you ever tested any 2J stuff? Those NA engines can take a lot of boost!
Awesome! I didn’t hear what fuel this was on? 91 or e85? I’m assuming e85 with those numbers. Also was there head studs or any ring gapping going on? Big LS guy here, but I do enjoy the Honda stuff. Keep it coming
Make a 10k rpm motor. Ways to beef up the block to handle more boost/ power.
Would be interesting to see how goo or how bad could a FMU equipped motor. Could be a honda or any 4 cylinder. Back in the day i built an fmu equipped turbo civic and that thing ran very well for years at 12 psi, the timing was addressed with an MSD box with BTM. The engine never broke the car was totaled and it ran fine till then.