Dude, everyone is talking about how the locks not “unpickable” and while that’s obviously true….it took a highly skilled picker THIRTEEN MINUTES straight to fucking unlock this thing. That is an ETERNITY in any real life scenario firstly and secondly I think its fair to say that it _will_ be unpickable for the VAST majority of people who tried to. Bravo to both parties on this one
And that was after 4.5 hours of him figuring out how to pick it, he was sent schematics of how the lock works, and he had the key, so he knew roughly what position each pin had to be
Agreed, it’s far from trivial and without knowing the design would have taken me so much longer than to work everything out and I’d probably have ruined the lock taking it apart to learn the mechanism considering there are 1500 bb’s in there lol. This was an extremely well done lock by Works by Design, both in execution and creativity and innovation considering how most locks are the same old tricks over and over. Having a key or seeing the bitting doesn’t really offer much in the way of help as feedback through the pick and tensioner are what tells you something is set or not.
Yes, but that kind of information (the 5h) will be shared and become available to pickers and professionals alike. It's not a measure of security, and shouldn't be relied upon. Still, it can help deter or prevent, some types of unauthorized access, by some low-skill party, in some contexts, via "security through secrecy".
The skillset needed to pick this lock in the field is so high it might as well be practicly unpickable. But it is awesome that some ppl still have the skill to do so.
Oh yeah it’s definitely unpickable in a practical setting, anywhere that needs something like this won’t give you almost 14 mins to pick it also if he didn’t know how it worked it probably would’ve taken much much much longer
If it takes an elite expert 13 minutes to pick it, that’s a win for works by design. A 4’ flat bar or pipe wrench would open the door in 15 seconds….or a hammer at a window in 1 second. Locks are a game played between honest people, houses are not vaults, defeating the lock is the fastest way only if you have a key.
He definitely did an outstanding job considering this was his 2nd design. I’ve given him some thoughts on how to make it even better and look forward to what he comes up with next.
Nah, lock picking is useful for thieves if they want to blend in. Easier to pretend to be the owner entering their house than breaking in. But that does mean it needs to be quick. People will get suspicious if you fiddle with the "key" for 10 minutes which is why thieves would be deterred after a quick go at a lock like this. And if stealth is their main goal, they would just move on to another house. But yea if they don't care about stealth, breaking in is faster and easier. But that is why locks exist, makes it harder for people to enter and any other means of bypassing the defense is going to be much more obvious to neighbors. It's also why criminals scout out the place to avoid eyes when they do the deed.
13 minutes of picking+4.5 hours of messing with it, combined with a video explaining how the mechanisms work along with having access to the schematics of the thing as well as the key itself
A big thing about this is that there's a video showcasing exactly how this lock works and is contructed. Imagine if you were going into this blind, It'd probably take significantly longer or require the lock picker to go out and buy one and then gut it to see how it works.
that only works for one time build locks. the research time isn't inlcuded in the pick time because "once known, always known" is a thing. security by obscurity only works until it is known how it works. it is still impressive that it took 13 minutes for him to pick it.
@@dovos8572 That is the spirit! Software is the same. Claiming closed source is more secure because you can't see bad code is how most companies get hacked. Safe stuff should be safe even if someone has access to the source code or the design.
Absolutely, he made one of the best “challenge locks” i’ve ever picked and hope he keeps them coming. Thanks for the kind words and checking it out. I could probably pick it faster knowing the mechanism but would rather show that first open to be fair to him and keep things realistic vs a rehearsed video.
have to make a correction here..... after 4 and a half hours of study + 13 minutes to pick. i am willing to bet if Jim was unable to study the internal workings of the lock it would have taken Jim way longer than 13 minutes to pick. none the less, Cudos to Jim for defeating this challenge and i can not wait to see what happens with version 3 of this lock !
@@rayray1527 I'll take that bet. I'm thinking that if remove the 4 and a half hours of study then we gain that in picking time. I am far from sure but willing to bet to find out where the difference lays.
Personal opinion, this is by far the best design. Any locks should be pickable however no locks should take -1sec to be picked _insert masterlock here_ Why do i say this? Because if you loose the key a lock picker will still get you out of trouble but it will stop any attemps from criminal from trying as it would take too much time.
locks exist to make it a bigger crime and to keep animals out. Opening a door when it's not locked and stealing your TV might not be breaking and entering depending on where you are.
For that application, this lock might be a bit overkill. It would be tough for a locksmith to crack it for you in the field if you ever lost the key. But yeah, there's somewhere between this and masterlock that serves customers adequately while thwarting low-skilled attacks enough that more obvious and destructive methods need to be employed to gain access.
@@htownblue11 I suggested to him a plate that goes between the plug face and housing that blocks rotation when pushed into the plug face or pulled against the housing.
See, no matter how much effort a creator puts into a lock, as soon as they say it's "unpickable" that means the clock is counting down until someone picks it. Fantastic job on getting that open!
I don't think anyone (creator included) was under the illusion that a lock is "unpickable". The (imo) more likely reason they use that keyword is to get more clicks, for better or worse that's how the UA-cam "game" is played.
@@LooselyRigorous Perhaps, but at least this portion of the game benefits us all with better security options. Although, I notice Bowley makes no such claims of their products yet... 😛
"Click on 3, ... Binding on 4 nice click there and we've got this lock open. That is a very formidabele lock. The minute and half that it took to open was longer then I was expecting"
I saw the "Unpickable" in tantalizingly sassy quotes and came right over. You never disappoint, sir. It is always a privilege to watch your work, thank you for sharing this astounding open!
Finally got a chance to watch this one! Fantastic job Jim! 🎉Very impressive but not surprising! I just got this lock and I’m gonna give it a go today! Don’t know how I’ll do but wish me skill .. bc I don’t think luck will do it this time 😂. Thanks for the explanation and sharing this video! 🥰😘❤️😍
@@LadyLocks you’ll get it. Just find a z-bar to hold the plug back once you get the plug to recess. Once you’re there just keep going though the pin stacks. A hard stop is a set pin and you’ll feel the bearings get less mushy as more pins are fully set.
How effective was the "fluid spring" system at putting a tamper on the feedback? Besides requiring linear tension, that seemed like the biggest factor in increasing the lock's pick resistance
@@Thesnakerox by the time the plug was fully recessed its impact was greatly diminished. By then several pins were fully set so there was only so much space for the bearings to go before they met the equilibrium as when the key is inserted. Mushy pins needed to be set and a set pin came to a hard stop and the key pin was completely loose.
Awesome picking Jim. Love to see the lock get picked. Love to hear how long it took you to learn the lock. 4.5 hours for Jim to figure out before this recording, is impressive by normal standards with teams of engineers. Taking that long for a lock a single person made in their shop is kind of crazy.
I am a bit disappointed that it could be picked. But not that you did it. You must be really good at what you do! And that's the exciting part. Job well done. This is the 1st video of yours that I've seen. And I wasn't bored.
Thanks, and I understand. The exciting part is always seeing if it can be picked and for pickers a lock being picked before is even more pressure to get it than something that’s never been picked.
Thanks, I had been chatting with him before he even made the last video. You know I’m always trying to be the first to get a crack at “unpickable” locks
Considering the picking time required by an S+ tier lockpicker who’s been shown the inner mechanism in detail, I’d say this is the safest lock I’ve ever seen. Aint no way in hell a burglar doesnt give up after 10 minutes. And with his pointers, I think the V3 will be flawless. We’ll reach a point where youre just better off breaking the door than try to pick this lock.
@@MidianVGC there are high security locks now that take that or more amount of time to be able to learn even after someone has posted video showing the picking strategy. If you’re interested check out lpubelts.com to see locks ranked from easiest to hardest in terms of pick resistance. Black is the hardest and there are 5 tiers for black. Most black belt 5 locks went decades to over a hundred years being unpicked. This lock has been picked by two other locksporters in much less time once they knew how to pick it (Doctor Hogmaster and Ladylocks). I’m able to pick it faster than the video I uploaded once I knew how it worked but wanted to show the first ever open vs a well polished and rehearsed video.
A great pick of a great lock. Really nice to see it being picked for the first time on camera, especially after seeing it being made. A huge amount of effort put into making it by WBD, and a huge amount of effort from Jim learning how and actually picking it. Looking forward to seeing the next version of the lock, and the next attempt at picking it!
Here is a way I can think of to increase the time to pick this lock. Install the lock 1 foot off the ground - the lower the better, keeping the lock picker uncomfortable is critical. Remember this guy is picking this in seated position and a comfortable table height.
Claim it Jim, "Public First" pick of the unpickable lock. Congratulations mate, that was awesome to watch how you had to tension it and all the changes of pick profiles to get this locks picked open. I was thinking that to counteract the tension behind the housing the designer could put a spinner over the keyway, that would prevent the front tension of that lock. A lock full of 1500 ball bearings, how tiny are those little beasties in there. What a gutting disaster waiting to happen. Wouldn't want to try and put them all back inside the lock without some kind of applicator. Bound to loose a couple hundred of them on the bench before it went back together. I hope the lock manufacture gives you this lock as a memento of the picking. Thanks for this video, cheers
Just imagine the bill you'd get if you locked yourself out of your house and needed to call a lock picker😂. First of all, i am pretty sure not every lock picker could open it.
An extremely skilled locksmith took 13minutes to pick this lock. Imagine that a half decent locksmith would take atleast a day with this. Also no thief would get into this lock. If rake does not work its usually the window or pass
I’m no locksmith, just a lock nerd lol. Without knowledge of what they’re dealing with I doubt anyone would pick this in a decent amount of time. Thanks for checking it out.
You clearly have little to no brain cells. Notice how unpickable is used with quotations?? It’s cause it’s supposed to be as hard to pick as possible, it’s a prototype sent to see how different lock picking experts would approach it and improve it. Get a brain before making your next comment
What i find funny about this lock is when it is put on a door and because of the obviouse reasons the owner loses the key and has to call a locksmith. That guy will be pissed most likely when he/she sees the lock. P.S, this is my first time seeing you videos.
One thing that some aren't considering is that the lock is on a vice. That would be MUCH harder if installed on a door, because it wouldn't be so easy to have a good position to tension it to begin with.
To anyone unfamiliar with lockpicking, I've seen "unpickable" locks of all sorts of designs, magnets, unique keys, several simultaneous keys, I've seen the lockpickinglawer pick a gun safe with an orange juice bottle. If a lock takes a professional lockpicker more than 10 minutes it is not only extremely effective, but such a serious deterrent to the average lockpicker that they will straight up give up and try either another lock or another kind of entry if at all possible, not that sticking to picking would be any more effective even with a detailed knowledge on how the lock works.
that's so cool. seen him design this. incredible that he'd do it for sport when huge companies r&d don't come close in terms of innovation. oh and just subscribed to your channel. thanks for the video. enjoyed watching! 😃👍
Honestly. Even though it isn't unpickable in a controlled environment. I'd still trust this lock over most others on the market. No average, run of the mill theif is gonna sit at a door for the 4.5, 5 hours it took for you to figure it out and slowly pick your way through this lock.
@@jonjacob1962 I agree but also keep in mind now that I’ve picked the lock and shown the methods used the next person to attempt it will have a much smaller learning curve and not need anywhere near the length of time I did to pick the lock. I can pick the lock faster now after understanding how the mechanisms interact. What you saw was the first ever open as it would have been disingenuous of me and a disservice to the efforts of Works by Design to upload a well polished and rehearsed video making the lock look much easier.
What a fulfilling experience it must have been for you - congratulations Jim. Just watching the design on WBD and now seeing you work on it makes me feel ile part of it 😂😂 can only imagine how great you must feel. Masterpiece display of picking and engineering.
At this point, if I ever want to foil a lockpicker I'm just going to install a deadbolt that only actuates from the inside, give them a standard-feeling lock that never actually opens but has plenty of delaying features in it, and hope they don't bring their battering ram.
What could be used is some traps that make multiple attempts impossible blocking the lock, even using the correct key. If you can't make it impossible to pick, you can make it impossible to do it in few tries. Each attempt with wrong pin position should move something in place to block the lock, after few tries it's blocked. If you use the good key to open before it blocks, the traps reset.
Very nice lock I thought you took long and would have had to use last resort. that in itself is a deterrent for thieves. I can't wait to see the final design to make it less bulky and harder to knock off doors next
@@nabilali3230 yeah it took me a while to work everything out and that was the first open of the lock. Recording a polished and rehearsed video of the lock once I’m very comfortable with it would feel disingenuous given that the lock itself was meant as a challenge to be picked.
It's like writing a piece of software meant for security and people finding out years later it had a zero day exploit inside it. Just keep on patching the bugs.
With the only way being to pick this lock being an incredible level of skill and literal Batman level prep time, I'd say it is indeed Unpickable in any normal scenario.
Once the information was public it drastically reduces the time to pick it. Both Doctor Hogmaster and LadyLocks were both able to pick it much faster than me, granted they are both extremely skilled pickers.
Wow, that was painful to watch, in a good way. Clearly very challenging, that face plate was definitely an unintended edge that wasn't much accounted for in the core design. I'm curious to see what he changes to work around it. I agree that whatever grips the pins needs more bite, either notches or some interlocking teeth, idk. Very impressive pick in any case.
With schematics of the lock at his disposal and videos to showcase how it works + unlimited prep time, it still took an expert 14 minutes to pick it open. Yeah, in a real life scenario, this thing ain't getting picked. 😂
Just great work WBD, if it takes 13 minutes for an expert to pick it even if knows how it works. you should consider it as a big win, it's a very strong lock mechanism. Not unpickaple, but it's so hard and time consuming peoples might just give up.
@@Raikuthedragon you saw the very first open and all the time that went into finding a method to pick it. Now that it’s known people are picking it much faster. ua-cam.com/video/5UUr8DEA1Zg/v-deo.htmlsi=zipMdSJPH2HVcLGm
saw this after getting recc'd worksbydesign's video showing how they made the v2 a week or two ago. really surprised you were able to pick that with just a pick and and 2 torsion bars
This is how things should be done, inventor invents, breaker breaks, inventor and breaker talk, inventor improves and so on until optimum design is reached
These locks would be great for apartment building for the outer lock to get inside the building. Though cameras are just better for item security and insurance.
when I clicked on this video I thought it was going to be over in like 3 minutes and the rest was just going to be discussing it, I was soooooooo wrong lol
I had a feeling the pin locking bars would be a weak point. In both of the Stuff Made Here designs, holding pins in place was far and away the most challenging aspect. In this design, any variation in the width of the driver pins would mean that the locking bars could not hold them evenly. As you point out, this could be mitigated by putting a cut or serration into the pins for the bar to fit into. I think you would need a cut for every bitting position, however. Therefore, the spacing of those cuts would have to be equal to the spacing between bitting cut depths. I think they would have to be quite shallow. The more btting positions, the shallower the cut; the deeper the cut, the better the pick resistance. It feels like we're basically making a design trade between pick resistance and size of the keyspace.
@@sigmundwong2489 a was thinking a blocker to catch them when at rest, then any linear tension would lock the blocker, of course someone may be able to try and overlift and then tension and hope none of the key pins fall back into the blockers
the first stem to make it harder to tension would be to add a metal plate in front in the thickness of the distance the key pushes in the keyhole and making the keyhole extend the same distance out - so that when pusking in the keyhole there wouldn't be any gap to insert a tool to hold a tension. Would require a setup to push it in without hooking in a lock part and probably still possible but for sure harder this way
I am always surprised on how intricate the design has to become to emulate the security of traditional double bit keys similar to skeleton keys. The locks gets ridiculously expensive to become anti bumping where the cheapest double bit keys are immune to most exploits.
I didn't realize from the worksbydesign video that you'd have to pick it all the way in before you pick it to rotate the core. Seems obvious now though. I assumed it would just be like the locks that have a release on the back that the key needs to hit: you just know its there and its trivial to defeat.
@@htomerif yeah i was hunting for it during the pick once the plug moved to it’s deepest point. The lock behaved very differently from the way it was described so I had to work out what was going on.
@@georgiajim2260 I got the impression from worksbydesign's video that the whole assembly above and below the shear line moved back. If its just the core, that's pretty different. I know its not intended for commercial production, but it seems like specific bittings could make the lock not operate correctly. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
I wonder if the pressure plate on the front of the lock would be better off being a cylinder so that you couldnt hook just between it and the housing. Minimizing any angle you can wiggle things into the lock would be my step forward to a V3.
Biggest problem for locks is that you can just use a camera, get a picture of their key, and then open the door after making a replica. The only way to prevent this is having sheathed keys and the escalation on both sides would continue on and on
Though not literally unpickable, this is *practically* unpickable… anyone who cares that much about your locked container would just blow it up or something
Not gonna lie as soon as WBD said in his video that one of these was going be sent to the reddit lockpicking community, the first thing that came to my mind was when you would upload a video on it, great work!
Awesome breakdown! Really exciting to watch you tension it using that leverage from the casing, gives me some ideas for v3
Great to see you're still planning more iterations! Looking forward to the next video!
I don't know why, but reading this I imagined you explaining how you are gonna add bearing balls to the back of the mechanism
Does mcnallyoffical have it?
He speed run that Thing ngl
@@JonR35 LockPickingLawyer has one, and he and McNally work together at Covert Instruments, so I have no doubt McNally also has access to it
Dude, everyone is talking about how the locks not “unpickable” and while that’s obviously true….it took a highly skilled picker THIRTEEN MINUTES straight to fucking unlock this thing. That is an ETERNITY in any real life scenario firstly and secondly I think its fair to say that it _will_ be unpickable for the VAST majority of people who tried to. Bravo to both parties on this one
Yeah no lock is designed to be "unpickable". The lock is there to deter normal people from breaking in.
Well said!
And that was after 4.5 hours of him figuring out how to pick it, he was sent schematics of how the lock works, and he had the key, so he knew roughly what position each pin had to be
Agreed, it’s far from trivial and without knowing the design would have taken me so much longer than to work everything out and I’d probably have ruined the lock taking it apart to learn the mechanism considering there are 1500 bb’s in there lol. This was an extremely well done lock by Works by Design, both in execution and creativity and innovation considering how most locks are the same old tricks over and over.
Having a key or seeing the bitting doesn’t really offer much in the way of help as feedback through the pick and tensioner are what tells you something is set or not.
And only after hours of trial and error beforehand by one of the world's top pickers. Pretty impressive for a lock.
people say it took him 13mins to lockpick it, while ignoring the part where he said it took him 5hours on how even to approach this lock.
Pushing in on that faceplate seemed obvious from the start.
@@FS2K4Pilot clown
@@ericdallolioYou mean that wasn’t patently obvious to you? How am I the clown in that case?
So basically, a lock in normal circumstances, they ain't picking cause most people wouldn't have schematics for this thing on the fly?
Yes, but that kind of information (the 5h) will be shared and become available to pickers and professionals alike. It's not a measure of security, and shouldn't be relied upon. Still, it can help deter or prevent, some types of unauthorized access, by some low-skill party, in some contexts, via "security through secrecy".
The skillset needed to pick this lock in the field is so high it might as well be practicly unpickable. But it is awesome that some ppl still have the skill to do so.
Oh yeah it’s definitely unpickable in a practical setting, anywhere that needs something like this won’t give you almost 14 mins to pick it also if he didn’t know how it worked it probably would’ve taken much much much longer
@kadenherzog9727 14 mins to pick it but 5 hours to figure out how to pick it knowing how it works
If it takes an elite expert 13 minutes to pick it, that’s a win for works by design. A 4’ flat bar or pipe wrench would open the door in 15 seconds….or a hammer at a window in 1 second. Locks are a game played between honest people, houses are not vaults, defeating the lock is the fastest way only if you have a key.
He definitely did an outstanding job considering this was his 2nd design. I’ve given him some thoughts on how to make it even better and look forward to what he comes up with next.
Nah, lock picking is useful for thieves if they want to blend in. Easier to pretend to be the owner entering their house than breaking in. But that does mean it needs to be quick. People will get suspicious if you fiddle with the "key" for 10 minutes which is why thieves would be deterred after a quick go at a lock like this. And if stealth is their main goal, they would just move on to another house. But yea if they don't care about stealth, breaking in is faster and easier. But that is why locks exist, makes it harder for people to enter and any other means of bypassing the defense is going to be much more obvious to neighbors. It's also why criminals scout out the place to avoid eyes when they do the deed.
13 minutes after 4.5 hours of testing ideas on it too... wasn't 13 minutes from first putting his hands on it to having it open.
13 minutes of picking+4.5 hours of messing with it, combined with a video explaining how the mechanisms work along with having access to the schematics of the thing as well as the key itself
Doors aren't usually made out of cardboard
A big thing about this is that there's a video showcasing exactly how this lock works and is contructed. Imagine if you were going into this blind, It'd probably take significantly longer or require the lock picker to go out and buy one and then gut it to see how it works.
that only works for one time build locks.
the research time isn't inlcuded in the pick time because "once known, always known" is a thing. security by obscurity only works until it is known how it works.
it is still impressive that it took 13 minutes for him to pick it.
@@dovos8572 That is the spirit! Software is the same. Claiming closed source is more secure because you can't see bad code is how most companies get hacked. Safe stuff should be safe even if someone has access to the source code or the design.
Amazing job by works by design! Close to 14 mins against this guy, is extremely impressive!
Absolutely, he made one of the best “challenge locks” i’ve ever picked and hope he keeps them coming. Thanks for the kind words and checking it out. I could probably pick it faster knowing the mechanism but would rather show that first open to be fair to him and keep things realistic vs a rehearsed video.
have to make a correction here..... after 4 and a half hours of study + 13 minutes to pick. i am willing to bet if Jim was unable to study the internal workings of the lock it would have taken Jim way longer than 13 minutes to pick. none the less, Cudos to Jim for defeating this challenge and i can not wait to see what happens with version 3 of this lock !
@@rayray1527 I'll take that bet.
I'm thinking that if remove the 4 and a half hours of study then we gain that in picking time. I am far from sure but willing to bet to find out where the difference lays.
@@bleepbloopblahp Kinda. You just poke the thing until you figure out something, it may take an hour, 4 hours, a week...
Personal opinion, this is by far the best design. Any locks should be pickable however no locks should take -1sec to be picked _insert masterlock here_
Why do i say this? Because if you loose the key a lock picker will still get you out of trouble but it will stop any attemps from criminal from trying as it would take too much time.
locks exist to make it a bigger crime and to keep animals out.
Opening a door when it's not locked and stealing your TV might not be breaking and entering depending on where you are.
For that application, this lock might be a bit overkill. It would be tough for a locksmith to crack it for you in the field if you ever lost the key. But yeah, there's somewhere between this and masterlock that serves customers adequately while thwarting low-skilled attacks enough that more obvious and destructive methods need to be employed to gain access.
If he eliminates the ability to place linear tension in V3, that thing will absolutely be unpickable without a specialty designed tool.
@@htownblue11 I suggested to him a plate that goes between the plug face and housing that blocks rotation when pushed into the plug face or pulled against the housing.
"Unpickable" is a word that does not exist in Jim's part of Georgia. Well Done! Love to see it!☕☕
Those words can’t stop me, I can’t even read!
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Love your sense of humour and your ability is awesome. @georgiajim2260
@@UnChaeL-Paradise ☕☕
See, no matter how much effort a creator puts into a lock, as soon as they say it's "unpickable" that means the clock is counting down until someone picks it. Fantastic job on getting that open!
I don't think anyone (creator included) was under the illusion that a lock is "unpickable". The (imo) more likely reason they use that keyword is to get more clicks, for better or worse that's how the UA-cam "game" is played.
@@LooselyRigorousngl, "unpickable lock" has a much better ring to it than "really creative challenge lock", even if it is hyperbole.
@@LooselyRigorous Perhaps, but at least this portion of the game benefits us all with better security options. Although, I notice Bowley makes no such claims of their products yet... 😛
Thanks for checking it out. The best way to make an unpickable lock is make it extremely boring and tedious process to where they lose interest lol.
If it takes 20minutes to pick.. is unpickable enough for me.
Now its up to LPL to prove that he's on par with you
I think LPL could pick this, it’s time consuming but pretty straightforward once you work out what’s going on. Thanks for checking it out
@@georgiajim2260I hope he doesn’t cheat if he sees this vid
"Click on 3, ... Binding on 4 nice click there and we've got this lock open.
That is a very formidabele lock. The minute and half that it took to open was longer then I was expecting"
I've been waiting for this video since i see the original build. Incredible skill on display here.
@@sregexer thanks for checking it out
Genuinely impressive. Saw WBD make this and it looks so ingenious I want one for my door
Thanks for checking it out. I’m really fortunate to get to try it out. I want one for myself as a trophy now lol
The video is giving me goosebumps. Reminds me of how my grandfather would usually work on something in silence. You are really the goat :D
Thanks man, that was the first open so i was still trying to figure everything out
I saw the "Unpickable" in tantalizingly sassy quotes and came right over. You never disappoint, sir. It is always a privilege to watch your work, thank you for sharing this astounding open!
Thanks man, really appreciate the kind words and Works By Design is awesome for letting me get the first chance to pop this monster.
Finally got a chance to watch this one! Fantastic job Jim! 🎉Very impressive but not surprising!
I just got this lock and I’m gonna give it a go today! Don’t know how I’ll do but wish me skill .. bc I don’t think luck will do it this time 😂.
Thanks for the explanation and sharing this video! 🥰😘❤️😍
@@LadyLocks you’ll get it. Just find a z-bar to hold the plug back once you get the plug to recess. Once you’re there just keep going though the pin stacks. A hard stop is a set pin and you’ll feel the bearings get less mushy as more pins are fully set.
How effective was the "fluid spring" system at putting a tamper on the feedback? Besides requiring linear tension, that seemed like the biggest factor in increasing the lock's pick resistance
This, and also recommendations on how to make it better have me intrigued.
@@Thesnakerox by the time the plug was fully recessed its impact was greatly diminished. By then several pins were fully set so there was only so much space for the bearings to go before they met the equilibrium as when the key is inserted. Mushy pins needed to be set and a set pin came to a hard stop and the key pin was completely loose.
There is 1000% a niche market for these things, no way in hell is somebody going to spend 15 minutes crouched outside a door trying to open it
The problem now is Price for the lock. Not everyone is gonna drop 500$ for these guys.
@@snintendog Any prototype is more expensive than the mass produced product. That's how it works for anything.
the cia have time
it's unpickable in practice.
a high security setting is definitely in this locks future
Awesome picking Jim. Love to see the lock get picked. Love to hear how long it took you to learn the lock. 4.5 hours for Jim to figure out before this recording, is impressive by normal standards with teams of engineers. Taking that long for a lock a single person made in their shop is kind of crazy.
@@LoganIsOnUA-cam thanks man. He really did a great job on it both in creativity of design and execution.
Congratulations! Picking this lock is a great display of skill. I'm very impressed.
I am a bit disappointed that it could be picked. But not that you did it. You must be really good at what you do! And that's the exciting part. Job well done. This is the 1st video of yours that I've seen. And I wasn't bored.
Thanks, and I understand. The exciting part is always seeing if it can be picked and for pickers a lock being picked before is even more pressure to get it than something that’s never been picked.
Wow. Nice work! I've seen alot of videos of how this lock is made. Very cool that you got a go at it! Congratulations on the open!
Thanks, I had been chatting with him before he even made the last video. You know I’m always trying to be the first to get a crack at “unpickable” locks
Considering the picking time required by an S+ tier lockpicker who’s been shown the inner mechanism in detail, I’d say this is the safest lock I’ve ever seen. Aint no way in hell a burglar doesnt give up after 10 minutes. And with his pointers, I think the V3 will be flawless. We’ll reach a point where youre just better off breaking the door than try to pick this lock.
@@MidianVGC there are high security locks now that take that or more amount of time to be able to learn even after someone has posted video showing the picking strategy. If you’re interested check out lpubelts.com to see locks ranked from easiest to hardest in terms of pick resistance. Black is the hardest and there are 5 tiers for black. Most black belt 5 locks went decades to over a hundred years being unpicked.
This lock has been picked by two other locksporters in much less time once they knew how to pick it (Doctor Hogmaster and Ladylocks). I’m able to pick it faster than the video I uploaded once I knew how it worked but wanted to show the first ever open vs a well polished and rehearsed video.
I knew you would pick it in no time Jim! Great work! That guy did great for his first CL😂
Thanks man
A great pick of a great lock. Really nice to see it being picked for the first time on camera, especially after seeing it being made.
A huge amount of effort put into making it by WBD, and a huge amount of effort from Jim learning how and actually picking it.
Looking forward to seeing the next version of the lock, and the next attempt at picking it!
As soon as I saw your name and saw the lock I knew the "unpickable" was about to get picked. Great job man, you're an inspiration!
Thanks man, I really appreciate the kind words.
The fact that it took that long to pick is really impressive.
Wow! That was amazing, Jim! Beautiful job done, both by him and by you picking!
Thanks man, always appreciate the support and he did a great job as well. Very innovative and creative which is a rarity in locks these days
Damn! Serious skill, man. Nice work. No Redbull can used here. Real picking tools. Awesome!
@@MarkHahn thanks. If someone figures out how to open it with a red bull can I’ll have a good laugh about doing it the hard way.
Fantastic job unlocking it! I am still struggling with basic locks, but it is so investing watching the process on these complex ones!
The biggest thing to note is that everyone knows or can know what's inside it so picking it is only a matter of how good you are
Here is a way I can think of to increase the time to pick this lock. Install the lock 1 foot off the ground - the lower the better, keeping the lock picker uncomfortable is critical.
Remember this guy is picking this in seated position and a comfortable table height.
Claim it Jim, "Public First" pick of the unpickable lock. Congratulations mate, that was awesome to watch how you had to tension it and all the changes of pick profiles to get this locks picked open. I was thinking that to counteract the tension behind the housing the designer could put a spinner over the keyway, that would prevent the front tension of that lock. A lock full of 1500 ball bearings, how tiny are those little beasties in there. What a gutting disaster waiting to happen. Wouldn't want to try and put them all back inside the lock without some kind of applicator. Bound to loose a couple hundred of them on the bench before it went back together. I hope the lock manufacture gives you this lock as a memento of the picking. Thanks for this video, cheers
@@PocketWomen thanks!
-Why is that guy camping out in your front door?
-Oh, he's just trying to pick my lock.
This is amazing to watch. I have been waiting to see who was going to get this thing after seeing the video. Holy shit Jim that's awesome! 🤙✌️
Thanks man, I was pestering him about it before he even finished making it lol.
Utterly incredible designing and picking. Betcha you smiled so big your jaw muscles hurt when it opened 😁
Getting the first pick is always a smile maker.
Just imagine the bill you'd get if you locked yourself out of your house and needed to call a lock picker😂.
First of all, i am pretty sure not every lock picker could open it.
They'd probably just drill it out and get in that way. The lock can't be locked if it's in multiple pieces after all.
Remember folks, a lock is only as good as the building it's mounted on.
@@Sauvenil yeah, it would probably be cheaper to use the good old "stone trough window" technic to get in😅
@@swealer Faster too, haha. 13 minutes...
An extremely skilled locksmith took 13minutes to pick this lock. Imagine that a half decent locksmith would take atleast a day with this.
Also no thief would get into this lock. If rake does not work its usually the window or pass
I’m no locksmith, just a lock nerd lol. Without knowledge of what they’re dealing with I doubt anyone would pick this in a decent amount of time. Thanks for checking it out.
I just learned that *unpickable" is as valid as "free energy".
You clearly have little to no brain cells. Notice how unpickable is used with quotations?? It’s cause it’s supposed to be as hard to pick as possible, it’s a prototype sent to see how different lock picking experts would approach it and improve it. Get a brain before making your next comment
What i find funny about this lock is when it is put on a door and because of the obviouse reasons the owner loses the key and has to call a locksmith. That guy will be pissed most likely when he/she sees the lock. P.S, this is my first time seeing you videos.
@@piscis317 it would be met quickly and efficiently with an angle grinder and a bill for a new Kwikset Smartkey™️
One thing that some aren't considering is that the lock is on a vice. That would be MUCH harder if installed on a door, because it wouldn't be so easy to have a good position to tension it to begin with.
To anyone unfamiliar with lockpicking, I've seen "unpickable" locks of all sorts of designs, magnets, unique keys, several simultaneous keys, I've seen the lockpickinglawer pick a gun safe with an orange juice bottle. If a lock takes a professional lockpicker more than 10 minutes it is not only extremely effective, but such a serious deterrent to the average lockpicker that they will straight up give up and try either another lock or another kind of entry if at all possible, not that sticking to picking would be any more effective even with a detailed knowledge on how the lock works.
Nice job, I loved watching the design and build video of this lock, and I figured once it got out into the community someone would get it picked open
that's so cool. seen him design this. incredible that he'd do it for sport when huge companies r&d don't come close in terms of innovation. oh and just subscribed to your channel. thanks for the video. enjoyed watching! 😃👍
@@billynomates920 thanks for checking it out and agreed. Works by Design did a great job coming up with his own unique mechanism.
So for the unexpierienced picker, just cut the lock right out of the door, itll be quicker. Its good to see some changes in lock design.
BAM. Nice one Jim! Impressive.
Honestly. Even though it isn't unpickable in a controlled environment. I'd still trust this lock over most others on the market. No average, run of the mill theif is gonna sit at a door for the 4.5, 5 hours it took for you to figure it out and slowly pick your way through this lock.
@@jonjacob1962 I agree but also keep in mind now that I’ve picked the lock and shown the methods used the next person to attempt it will have a much smaller learning curve and not need anywhere near the length of time I did to pick the lock. I can pick the lock faster now after understanding how the mechanisms interact. What you saw was the first ever open as it would have been disingenuous of me and a disservice to the efforts of Works by Design to upload a well polished and rehearsed video making the lock look much easier.
Well done Jim on the pick and more importantly a deserved recognition for your channel. Keep on grinding 😎
@@LockDoc thanks man, appreciate ya!
Yesterday, youtubue gave me video of worksby design how he create the lock and this morning I saw you picking it. Really interesting.
What a fulfilling experience it must have been for you - congratulations Jim. Just watching the design on WBD and now seeing you work on it makes me feel ile part of it 😂😂 can only imagine how great you must feel.
Masterpiece display of picking and engineering.
Well done! Glad to see a small channel be able to pick this first and gain some notoriety :)
You did not disappoint, rich uncle!!!
Thanks man, glad I was able to pull it off since everyone was more confident than me that I could get it
Great work, Jim! Making Lock Pickers United proud!
At this point, if I ever want to foil a lockpicker I'm just going to install a deadbolt that only actuates from the inside, give them a standard-feeling lock that never actually opens but has plenty of delaying features in it, and hope they don't bring their battering ram.
Didn't see the bolt retract the whole way when you picked it.
Imagine trying to pick this if you had never seen it before and had no idea how it works. No way could you pick this cold. no way.
What could be used is some traps that make multiple attempts impossible blocking the lock, even using the correct key. If you can't make it impossible to pick, you can make it impossible to do it in few tries.
Each attempt with wrong pin position should move something in place to block the lock, after few tries it's blocked. If you use the good key to open before it blocks, the traps reset.
@@Macs look at locks like the Royal Guardian. You get one chance to get it right and if not the lock is inoperable.
Very nice lock I thought you took long and would have had to use last resort. that in itself is a deterrent for thieves. I can't wait to see the final design to make it less bulky and harder to knock off doors next
@@nabilali3230 yeah it took me a while to work everything out and that was the first open of the lock. Recording a polished and rehearsed video of the lock once I’m very comfortable with it would feel disingenuous given that the lock itself was meant as a challenge to be picked.
It's like writing a piece of software meant for security and people finding out years later it had a zero day exploit inside it. Just keep on patching the bugs.
I told em it was a mistake to call it unpickable ;). Nice work Jim!
Calling it unpickable is just asking for it. I’m glad they keep asking lol. Thanks for checking it out
With the only way being to pick this lock being an incredible level of skill and literal Batman level prep time, I'd say it is indeed Unpickable in any normal scenario.
Once the information was public it drastically reduces the time to pick it. Both Doctor Hogmaster and LadyLocks were both able to pick it much faster than me, granted they are both extremely skilled pickers.
That's crazy bro, that's an accomplishment and a half.
@@left_hand_loki thanks bud
Wow, that was painful to watch, in a good way. Clearly very challenging, that face plate was definitely an unintended edge that wasn't much accounted for in the core design. I'm curious to see what he changes to work around it. I agree that whatever grips the pins needs more bite, either notches or some interlocking teeth, idk. Very impressive pick in any case.
I'm concerned for this man's health. Never heard somebody gasp as much.
I only gasp for the “unpickable”
With schematics of the lock at his disposal and videos to showcase how it works + unlimited prep time, it still took an expert 14 minutes to pick it open.
Yeah, in a real life scenario, this thing ain't getting picked. 😂
Just great work WBD, if it takes 13 minutes for an expert to pick it even if knows how it works. you should consider it as a big win, it's a very strong lock mechanism. Not unpickaple, but it's so hard and time consuming peoples might just give up.
@@Raikuthedragon you saw the very first open and all the time that went into finding a method to pick it. Now that it’s known people are picking it much faster.
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I’ve been waiting for this. Great job!
Thanks!
The thing is that this would be so much difficult installed in on a door.
saw this after getting recc'd worksbydesign's video showing how they made the v2 a week or two ago. really surprised you were able to pick that with just a pick and and 2 torsion bars
Nice mate. Knew it wasn't unpickable but it gave more of a fight than expected, ingenious tensioning idea.
Lol thanks, the plug recessing before being fully picked and holding all that tension is what took the longest to figure out
i suppose it's not really a question of whether something is unpickable, but rather if it's time consuming enough for lockpicker to give up
This is how things should be done, inventor invents, breaker breaks, inventor and breaker talk, inventor improves and so on until optimum design is reached
Woo! Nice job! Another "unpickable" lock taken down.
They just keep making them!
Best attempt I've seen yet. Most lock smithd you can call would drill it out.
These locks would be great for apartment building for the outer lock to get inside the building. Though cameras are just better for item security and insurance.
If it took you 5+ hours to pick then it certainly served its purpose
when I clicked on this video I thought it was going to be over in like 3 minutes and the rest was just going to be discussing it, I was soooooooo wrong lol
17:28 5 hours😮
Man I’ve been waiting to see one of you guys pick this lock!!! Way to go 👏🏼
I had a feeling the pin locking bars would be a weak point. In both of the Stuff Made Here designs, holding pins in place was far and away the most challenging aspect. In this design, any variation in the width of the driver pins would mean that the locking bars could not hold them evenly. As you point out, this could be mitigated by putting a cut or serration into the pins for the bar to fit into. I think you would need a cut for every bitting position, however. Therefore, the spacing of those cuts would have to be equal to the spacing between bitting cut depths. I think they would have to be quite shallow. The more btting positions, the shallower the cut; the deeper the cut, the better the pick resistance. It feels like we're basically making a design trade between pick resistance and size of the keyspace.
@@sigmundwong2489 a was thinking a blocker to catch them when at rest, then any linear tension would lock the blocker, of course someone may be able to try and overlift and then tension and hope none of the key pins fall back into the blockers
the first stem to make it harder to tension would be to add a metal plate in front in the thickness of the distance the key pushes in the keyhole and making the keyhole extend the same distance out - so that when pusking in the keyhole there wouldn't be any gap to insert a tool to hold a tension.
Would require a setup to push it in without hooking in a lock part and probably still possible but for sure harder this way
I feel we are getting close to an actual unpickablelock. Exciting times
I am always surprised on how intricate the design has to become to emulate the security of traditional double bit keys similar to skeleton keys. The locks gets ridiculously expensive to become anti bumping where the cheapest double bit keys are immune to most exploits.
Jesus Christ that's impressive
So proud of you Jim!
@@drbirdie thanks boss
13:28 Lock opened and explanation begins at 13:39
This makes me so happy
Thanks!
@@georgiajim2260 am I on the list for this?!?! I want a go
@@WyteLox I’ll add you to the list. There’s 6 in front of you at the moment
I didn't realize from the worksbydesign video that you'd have to pick it all the way in before you pick it to rotate the core. Seems obvious now though. I assumed it would just be like the locks that have a release on the back that the key needs to hit: you just know its there and its trivial to defeat.
@@htomerif yeah i was hunting for it during the pick once the plug moved to it’s deepest point. The lock behaved very differently from the way it was described so I had to work out what was going on.
@@georgiajim2260 I got the impression from worksbydesign's video that the whole assembly above and below the shear line moved back. If its just the core, that's pretty different. I know its not intended for commercial production, but it seems like specific bittings could make the lock not operate correctly.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
I wonder if the pressure plate on the front of the lock would be better off being a cylinder so that you couldnt hook just between it and the housing. Minimizing any angle you can wiggle things into the lock would be my step forward to a V3.
Congrats!! Great pick!
Thanks man
Good job, Jim!
Thanks man!
So, not unpickable, but so insanely difficult to pick that even a master is seriously challenged!
Biggest problem for locks is that you can just use a camera, get a picture of their key, and then open the door after making a replica. The only way to prevent this is having sheathed keys and the escalation on both sides would continue on and on
very nice video :) i see it blew up a bit. good for you
If you can open it with a key its not unpickable but DAM that lock is a work of art nice job both of you
Why didn't he open it all the way.
Though not literally unpickable, this is *practically* unpickable… anyone who cares that much about your locked container would just blow it up or something
Holy bajeebus. 😎Doesn't matter how long it takes when you see the word "Unpickable" in quotes in the title.
That was the first open, now that I know what to expect I could do it faster but polished, rehearsed picking isn’t my style.
@@georgiajim2260 You got this. We know it. You know it. _"All in good time, my dear. All in good time."_ A quote from some witch some time ago.
Not gonna lie as soon as WBD said in his video that one of these was going be sent to the reddit lockpicking community, the first thing that came to my mind was when you would upload a video on it, great work!
Awesome work Jim!
Thanks Doc