Clerics having maces traces back to Medieval England. Priests were not allowed to shed blood. A workaround for this was flails and maces that weren’t bladed. Stabby no! Smack ya with a wad of metal? Yes!
Its worth noting that historically, the idea priestly vows forbade shedding blood (at least to my knowledge) isn't confirmed. That is to say, clerics/priests using bludgeons in leu of blades is a myth originating from "David C. Douglas and George W. Greenaway, (Eds.) in: English Historical Documents 1042-1189, London, 1959, p. 238, The Bayeux Tapestry". I do still think its a fun idea! Especially because animated skeletons shatter easily.
This wasn’t actually a thing that was happening in reality, but it was a popular myth; if nobles who were assigned to the church had to take up arms for the sake of the estate or other cause they’d just use a sword or lance. There was a joke in those days however that those clergymen who had rods of office would use them as bludgeoning insturments because the frowned on the shedding of blood. Gygax heard about this and decided that 1.) That’s kind of funny and 2.) It would be a good way to balance out powerful healers by preventing them from using the more powerful weapons
Clerics use maces because in medieval times it was seen as less holy to shed blood in battle and even one pope was depicted as wielding a mace in battle, because popes used to do that.
@@Amazonian I see why! I love any decks with a combination of Naya colors. I got to play one game of this on my lunch break today and had a ton of fun with Mikaeus, Kami, and Brawler on board together.
at 21 minutes, you wonder why Clerics always use maces. There seems to be an actual historical reason for this: men of the cloth (so clerics, priests, abbots etc) were not allowed to carry swords. This was supposed to mean they were not to fight in wars and I think it also meant they were not supposed to be mundane leaders, only spiritual leaders. But as many bishops actually became the leader of their territory, they had to lead troops into battle, but they couldn't use a sword. Hence the trope of clerics using maces.
I love when I mentioned not feeling bad about building a Tergrid deck on the Twitch sunday, because Nadu is a thing, you said we don't match, literally got matched with two Nadus in a row right now. Actually kicked their asses somehow, though.
well the closest i had to a day like Ral was when i went to Starcity games event met" Brian the dragon god" Kibler and had my bag stolen so lost a lot of my collection this was during the caw blade, infect era so i had a bad day :o(
You asked why Clerics are associated with Maces in most of the games: here a short historical lesson:D Historical Clerics or the clergy overall used them because they where cheap and easy to made AND they where prohibited most of the time of drawing blood or killing someone when fighting. Thats why the Mace is the weapon of choice for the clergy and sometimes defensive Paladins in some games too :D
Caldron gives the mana ability from Dryad Arbor because basic land types give the ability to add mana in all zones. It's basically the same as if it was just written on the card.
Because clerics fight skeletons and maces break bones reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally good!
Everyone commenting on the mace thing hearkening back to Medieval clergy being disallowed from wielding bladed weapons should keep in mind that this, despite being the inspiration for later fantasy designs like D&D which would directly work it into their worldbuilding, is something of a mythologism stemming originally from a depiction of Bishop Odo wielding a club on the Bayuex tapestry, cementing the image of the 'club wielding holy man' in popular consciousness. While there are other accounts of mace wielding bishops, there's also others that mention axes or even swords. You just used what got the job done. Really, whether the clergy were allowed fighting or not depended heavily on the location, the period, and the context. You're talking a span of centuries, there's really no easy 'catchall' answer for this one.
I always figured clerics use a mace because it can be an incredibly effective weapon even in the heads of someone with very little training. A sword requires lots of practice and training to properly use especially against armored enemies where it would be nearly useless, while a mace can be effective by simply knowing to hit them with the heavy end. It fits the religious theme of cleric because you would not expect a religious individual to spend hours every day practicing with a sword just in case they needed to go adventure when that time can be better dedicated to more holy matters.
I'm pretty sure that Clerics have maces just by process of elimination. In a sensible world where more than one class could have the same weapon, they'd probably carry a small dagger. Maces are sweet. But they're much better designed for armored or mounted combat. They're also relatively heavy - at least ones the size typically depicted in card art.
It's really strange to me that Arwen dies to Ill-Timed Explosion. Yes, she was eaten by piranhas, but she wasn't indestructible because of her own ability, it was from the counter on her. It's a little weird that the counters get suppressed too
You can blame the cleric/mace connection on Dungeons & Dragons. Inspiration for the lore (and even some game mechanics, the entire magic system is based on the Dying Earth series of novels) came from the fantasy the creators were fans of, as well some of western society's medieval folk history. The cleric was not in the original release of the game and was added later as a variation of the Fighting Men class (Fighter) to fill a need in the game. Firstly, they were based on folk history around some notable Christian fighting monks who fought in the crusades. The folklore is that they used blunt weapons to avoid spilling blood; the reality is that blunt weapons are still lethal, still maim and spill blood, and there is historical evidence they only really did this in the art and manuscripts and not actually in reality. It was also a matter of game balance; Clerics were still effectively tanks just as much as Fighters (even had same hit points at this point) and this deceased their melee damage and restricted their treasure tables in exchange for a small amount of magic. Early computer RPGs were made by DnD players, and it inspired and shaped our games and fantasy as a whole. DnD was also extremely popular in Japan, and they had their own boom in computer RPGs (and eventually consoles) which were heavily inspired by it. It even inspired their fantasy manga (and thus anime); most notably Record of Lodoss War, which was an adaptation of an actual game campaign (from players of a Japanese TRPG based on DnD. This manga and anime inspired loads of similar manga and anime. On the video game side, the American computer game series Wizardry was (and still is) a huge hit, and lead fans to create games like Dragon Warrior, Zelda, and Final Fantasy. The classic DnD Cleric became the standard more through anime and Japanese games than through western. Dice and paper DnD added more variety and options for Clerics, and official DnD computer games reflected this. More western writers followed suit, and so did other western computer games. But as the gap between console gamers and PC gamers grew smaller and anime became more available and popular here, the classic cleric became more common again in western games as well. Magic has always had a lot of DnD inspiration, so good human clerics who engage in war pretty much always have maces or other blunt weapons.
@Amazonian you'd actually be surprised how much we can blame on DnD designers and players. Magic 100% would not exist without it, as well as an amazing number of things in our culture.
Clerics having maces traces back to Medieval England. Priests were not allowed to shed blood. A workaround for this was flails and maces that weren’t bladed.
Stabby no! Smack ya with a wad of metal? Yes!
Keep that bleeding internal!
@@Amazonian if god can't see it, it is not real 😌
@@Amazonian That's where the blood is supposed to be anyway!
Its worth noting that historically, the idea priestly vows forbade shedding blood (at least to my knowledge) isn't confirmed. That is to say, clerics/priests using bludgeons in leu of blades is a myth originating from "David C. Douglas and George W. Greenaway, (Eds.) in: English Historical Documents 1042-1189, London, 1959, p. 238, The Bayeux Tapestry".
I do still think its a fun idea! Especially because animated skeletons shatter easily.
This wasn’t actually a thing that was happening in reality, but it was a popular myth; if nobles who were assigned to the church had to take up arms for the sake of the estate or other cause they’d just use a sword or lance. There was a joke in those days however that those clergymen who had rods of office would use them as bludgeoning insturments because the frowned on the shedding of blood. Gygax heard about this and decided that 1.) That’s kind of funny and 2.) It would be a good way to balance out powerful healers by preventing them from using the more powerful weapons
Bless you for explaining Ral’s backstory 😂
Ral and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
@@Amazonian So when do we get a Ral brawl deck XD
@@Aelyro I suck at building Storm, but I can try
Mondays, am I right?
Clerics use maces because in medieval times it was seen as less holy to shed blood in battle and even one pope was depicted as wielding a mace in battle, because popes used to do that.
Saw a video posted "1 minute ago". Still not first. Still pumped to be seeing Arwen, so thank you!
It's one of my favorite decks!
@@Amazonian I see why! I love any decks with a combination of Naya colors. I got to play one game of this on my lunch break today and had a ton of fun with Mikaeus, Kami, and Brawler on board together.
I’m Bonethousand. That was the CGB build with a couple more fun exile cards swapped in. GG
at 21 minutes, you wonder why Clerics always use maces. There seems to be an actual historical reason for this: men of the cloth (so clerics, priests, abbots etc) were not allowed to carry swords. This was supposed to mean they were not to fight in wars and I think it also meant they were not supposed to be mundane leaders, only spiritual leaders. But as many bishops actually became the leader of their territory, they had to lead troops into battle, but they couldn't use a sword. Hence the trope of clerics using maces.
I love when I mentioned not feeling bad about building a Tergrid deck on the Twitch sunday, because Nadu is a thing, you said we don't match, literally got matched with two Nadus in a row right now.
Actually kicked their asses somehow, though.
HELL YEHA GET THEIR BUTTS
@@Amazonian Lost to Grenzo tho :(
Hey Amy, the witch enchanter “disenchanter” was in fact intentional. 😂
YESSS
well the closest i had to a day like Ral was when i went to Starcity games event met" Brian the dragon god" Kibler and had my bag stolen so lost a lot of my collection this was during the caw blade, infect era so i had a bad day :o(
Ral was a great start. What a good conversation.
You asked why Clerics are associated with Maces in most of the games: here a short historical lesson:D
Historical Clerics or the clergy overall used them because they where cheap and easy to made AND they where prohibited most of the time of drawing blood or killing someone when fighting. Thats why the Mace is the weapon of choice for the clergy and sometimes defensive Paladins in some games too :D
There's a man out there crazy enough to cheat on an Izzet mage? That's...a choice...
I’ve been using kutzil as my scales deck and I’m not gonna lie I like it when I can play my spells on my turn😁
Would love to see you pilot flip Ral! I have trouble grokking spellslinger and usually watching you play a card/archetype helps
I love how flavorfully they designed this Arwen. 😍
The only flavor I like even more is boromir
All of the LOTR cards really nailed the flavor, so many clever lore-related mechanics!
"Fancy violin company"
I am WOUNDED Amy!
IS THAT NOT IT???
Caldron gives the mana ability from Dryad Arbor because basic land types give the ability to add mana in all zones. It's basically the same as if it was just written on the card.
Arwen getting washed away is the height of irony
Because clerics fight skeletons and maces break bones reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally good!
Everyone commenting on the mace thing hearkening back to Medieval clergy being disallowed from wielding bladed weapons should keep in mind that this, despite being the inspiration for later fantasy designs like D&D which would directly work it into their worldbuilding, is something of a mythologism stemming originally from a depiction of Bishop Odo wielding a club on the Bayuex tapestry, cementing the image of the 'club wielding holy man' in popular consciousness. While there are other accounts of mace wielding bishops, there's also others that mention axes or even swords. You just used what got the job done.
Really, whether the clergy were allowed fighting or not depended heavily on the location, the period, and the context. You're talking a span of centuries, there's really no easy 'catchall' answer for this one.
I always figured clerics use a mace because it can be an incredibly effective weapon even in the heads of someone with very little training. A sword requires lots of practice and training to properly use especially against armored enemies where it would be nearly useless, while a mace can be effective by simply knowing to hit them with the heavy end. It fits the religious theme of cleric because you would not expect a religious individual to spend hours every day practicing with a sword just in case they needed to go adventure when that time can be better dedicated to more holy matters.
I'm pretty sure that Clerics have maces just by process of elimination. In a sensible world where more than one class could have the same weapon, they'd probably carry a small dagger.
Maces are sweet. But they're much better designed for armored or mounted combat. They're also relatively heavy - at least ones the size typically depicted in card art.
Woohoo this is a great one and got some fun new toys! Thanks Amy!
That Ral match really made me feel bad for both Ral and the opponent
Poor Ral
It's really strange to me that Arwen dies to Ill-Timed Explosion. Yes, she was eaten by piranhas, but she wasn't indestructible because of her own ability, it was from the counter on her. It's a little weird that the counters get suppressed too
It's because she counter was on her before the aura was placed. Timestamps or something
@@Amazonian timestamps are weird :(
32:27 Gyatso had to flex on the haters before killing themselves.
Amy, have you made a Galadriel, light of valinor deck? Soo much fun and I would love to see a deck featuring her as commander!
I don't think that one is in Arena
Nooooo 😢 you should try one as a commander deck next time you do a game of commander on one of your other friends' channels!
Phelia match was insane!
Any chance we could get a link to your playlist? It’s perfect for work background music
open.spotify.com/playlist/6JJ4ze6blUd0vI62neTyTl?si=yPD4ig2XRZ2uvt3d6Smrvw&pi=ovrheAt-RMiIo
@@Amazonian perfect thank you!!!
25:53 does anybody knows that music's name? I tried by searching "peep peep song" as Amy mentioned but I've could not find it yet :(
Robin by Bird Boy
You can blame the cleric/mace connection on Dungeons & Dragons. Inspiration for the lore (and even some game mechanics, the entire magic system is based on the Dying Earth series of novels) came from the fantasy the creators were fans of, as well some of western society's medieval folk history. The cleric was not in the original release of the game and was added later as a variation of the Fighting Men class (Fighter) to fill a need in the game. Firstly, they were based on folk history around some notable Christian fighting monks who fought in the crusades. The folklore is that they used blunt weapons to avoid spilling blood; the reality is that blunt weapons are still lethal, still maim and spill blood, and there is historical evidence they only really did this in the art and manuscripts and not actually in reality.
It was also a matter of game balance; Clerics were still effectively tanks just as much as Fighters (even had same hit points at this point) and this deceased their melee damage and restricted their treasure tables in exchange for a small amount of magic.
Early computer RPGs were made by DnD players, and it inspired and shaped our games and fantasy as a whole. DnD was also extremely popular in Japan, and they had their own boom in computer RPGs (and eventually consoles) which were heavily inspired by it. It even inspired their fantasy manga (and thus anime); most notably Record of Lodoss War, which was an adaptation of an actual game campaign (from players of a Japanese TRPG based on DnD. This manga and anime inspired loads of similar manga and anime. On the video game side, the American computer game series Wizardry was (and still is) a huge hit, and lead fans to create games like Dragon Warrior, Zelda, and Final Fantasy.
The classic DnD Cleric became the standard more through anime and Japanese games than through western. Dice and paper DnD added more variety and options for Clerics, and official DnD computer games reflected this. More western writers followed suit, and so did other western computer games. But as the gap between console gamers and PC gamers grew smaller and anime became more available and popular here, the classic cleric became more common again in western games as well.
Magic has always had a lot of DnD inspiration, so good human clerics who engage in war pretty much always have maces or other blunt weapons.
I love blaming things on dungeons and dragons players, it's just so easy!
@Amazonian you'd actually be surprised how much we can blame on DnD designers and players. Magic 100% would not exist without it, as well as an amazing number of things in our culture.
i thought that first opponent was just gonna fetch, and shock themselves to do kill 'em selves
I believe you can look at face down cards after the game ends by viewing the battlefield.
Only ones that have requirements like having Morph or Foretell
Could you blink her to get her indestructible counter back?
Yes!
PFoe that went hard
A counter a day keeps opponents at bay 😉
As someone who watches CGB brawl content, I do not see an obvious difference in the way you build decks. You both build to win.
Did Ral just lose literally every coin flip? Poor guy just can't catch a break.
No, they chose not to flip on the one he won
We are as always asking for my holy Trinity Eriette (thunder junction) niv (karlov), and shilly (mh3)
Ral, stop hitting yourself!!!
a second necrobloom video?? Where?
It's on the WotC MTG Arena UA-cam!
Why does Arwen die at 15:41? She still has an indestructible counter on her 🤔🤔
Eaten By Piranas got rid of all abilities, and that includes the indestructable given by the counters already on her.
The timestamp of the aura overrides any previously applied ability counters. It's weird
Ral is my favouite Planeswalker, and I didn't even know he was gay. Do you see how his sexuality has nothing to do with why I like him?
Do a blackflip, like a big one❤
Gain +1/+1 counters, sound effects go off, neuron activation!
Continue the +1+1 trend with hamza?
He's in the deck. Amy draws him @11:22
@@slavecek I was saying as the commander but you right
🤩🥳
Ban mana tithe too busted, wins you the game within the first few turns!! /s
Dot
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FIRST!