I owned the D50 & D550, JV1000 keyboard, JD800 synth, XV5080, Fantom S (upgraded to the G8) and then took on an integra. integra was just like having a load of EMU Proteus boards, no. If the new Fantom took the main design from the Fantom G, kept the non-touch screen based OS but enhanced it further, then I'd consider it.
Man, I'm saying this because I genuinely want to know what I'm doing wrong, but I bought the new Fantom 08 and I keep asking myself who would like these piano sounds? I can't figure out why they sound so awful. I know stuff is subjective but I just keep thinking maybe I'm not eq'ing them correctly. I'm going to call Roland's customer service on it.
I have a Roland Jupiter - 80 and I'm wondering if in terms of sounds and sound creation if this new Fantom is an upgrade over the JP-80! I don't care for the other workstation features since I produce in LPX anyway. But I love the Roland sound (proud owner of a JP-8080 as well) and this board sounds great!
I would love this if I could afford it, I really want a 'main' keyboard with over 49 keys for a home piano like performance but with synth options. Almost $5.5K AUD is way too far out of my price range. I'm going to get the Roland GAIA SH-01 this week, its on sale for $725.
$5.5? $4.5k over my own budget I'm afraid. The sounds are incredible. I'm using a Native Instruments S61 MKII MIDI keyboard at the moment; have always wanted a self-contained synthesizer though. All the best with your purchase 👍
There's nothing wrong with the GAIA SH-01, I know I've got one but yes it would be MUCH NICER to be able to afford the Fantom I'm sure 🤔🤔 I'm not sure if you are just joking about getting a GAIA SH-01 or not ?? but you can't even compare it to the Fantom in the slightest 🤔🤔 The one thing I hate about the GAIA SH-01 is not hving aftertouch but hey it's about 6 times cheaper than a Fantom 8 so maybe I shouldn't moan so much about it 🤔😢😢 Glen 😇😇
to be honest, you can do better. a computer such as a mac running Logic Pro X as an example, a stock of various soft synths and a decent controller such as a studiologic SL88 studio or grand, a drum trigger pad system for samples / drum programming and away you go. The Fantom, though it sounds amazing, has limitations, compare the spec against a korg kronos as an example. There's no huge breakthrough in how this makes a better workflow. Using Scenes is the same as the Yamaha Montage / ModX, etc, nothing new. In fact that limits users who want to program filter, etc It's an operating system that's lost it's way and from what I'm told by an owner, he, like me, misses the user interface of the older fantom series like the G.
1;45 not correct. You can do this with samples sounds because these are sample sounds. They have programmed to switch between different samplesounds during playing.
Truthing & Trolling I can’t objectively tell which ones. I like Roland products. Yamaha Genos is an impressive workstation. Let’s assume that these two are on par when it comes to sound patches. Difference in interface and functions are on both.
The Roland sound modules such as INTEGRA-7 and MT-32 (Most notable for DOS gaming) and SOUNDCANVAS (used in windows midi) as well as modified TR- 808 sample packs would make for the best hip hop music, but each individual sound module is thousands of dollars! I'm hoping these will be available as Roland cloud and zen core VSTs of some kind
These Supernatural sounds are in the Integra 7. I’m guessing you can get the same type of effects with the proper midi controller. The Axial site lets you update the Integra 7 so you’ll always have the latest from Roland. I wouldn’t mind getting a Fantom but I think I’d be doubling up too much on the sounds. That’s spending too much money on sounds I already have.
No, they have many, many types of pianos but v pianos are not on there and aren’t available in any downloads--as yet. If they had v piano I’d most likely play through an 88 weighted key controller. I use the Integra mostly for the synth sounds and other realistic instrument sounds.
@@MaladarGaming I’m supposing ‘yes’. There are so many sounds. There’s no way you’re going to use half of them unless you’re producing on a daily basis everyday all day.
Literally no Synths beat Yamaha sounds and its Articulattions 😌.... for instance Yamaha Tyros 5 and Genos (Arranger keyboards) AND of course Yamaha Montage 2016 and Now the real beast, literally, without any exaggeration and bias, Montage M series..... takes the win easily and righteously. In case if acoustic sounds, i believe almost everyone agree that Yamaha is/has been number One for many decades Although I personally own Kronos 2 and Fantom O-8..... beside Montage, Tyros 5 and Genos.... they are truly incredible in many aspects... BUT Yamaha sounds is something else....and the most important thing in a keyboard whether it's Synth or Workstation or Arranger... is quality and versatility of the sounds and sound making features such as layering, effects, ( digital or analog or analog emulator) DSP and etc. In case of user interface and the "Flow"... Korg, Roland in some cases do much better.... (not always of course ) But at the end.... Sound quality and the Articulations of Yamaha is incomparable .Period By the way sequencer in Yamaha montage M series is incredible in every aspect... if you don't believe me please try it yourself dears.... I love all the major brands and their innovations but when a product is indeed near perfect, we have to respect it and accepted until the next major product In terms of price, not so much satisfaction 😕😕
I don't think so..... No keyboard manufacturers have ever made realistic guitar sounds except Yamaha's Genos which sounds of guitars are good enough with various articulations however Roland in the field of guitars is very weak their top of the range keyboard like this one guitars sounds really really bad and is not worth of calling a guitar.....there is only one way to create guitar patches and that is through sampling but sampling guitar and it's numerous articulations is a tedious task and needs expertise.......
This Board is For The Demanding artist. You have to play it to appreciate it. ******Incredibly Responsive Key-bed******* coming from a fantomG I would love to see audio recording added, and also a driver/template for studio one
3:43, pianos are missing in the update man. The RolandCloud sign up was a stressful experience and the updates on the synth are missing some banks but they say they are installed.
Hey Roland, why don’t you put all the supernatural sounds on the Fantom, and then create some new ones!? It’s pretty absurd you haven’t done this by now! Speacially when we realize these sounds are more than 10 years old now!
Yes we definitely need more Supernatural sounds like guitars with some different variations and efx, I would love to see a new flute with more breath tone added... I love my Integra 7 but I could really do with some more Supernatural possibilities 💯!!!
I'm sorry, but I now have to do this, I'm left with little choice but to do this. Ladies & Gentlemen, I have to bring this to your attention, not that you'd care about this because it doesn't affect you. Over the many years, I have been a loyal professional roland products owner and user, in fact well over 20 years plus.. In that time, the last few years have seen Roland take itself in to directions where quality and design have changed, and not for the better. It used to be a principle where you could reasonably get around an instrument if you were visually impaired or blind, now, since the new fantom and also Roland Cloud, not anymore. Since the launch of Roland cloud, Roland have deliberately excluded blind and visually impaired customers from using their products, even to today. Roland have made this even worse with the release of the Roland Fantom (touch screen version). Also with regards any software they now release. There is absolutely no consideration to "Universal Accessibility" in the design of the software or hardware and as such, blind and visually impaired users worldwide are being punished for this. I have spent the last few years bringing this matter to Roland Directors attention in vane. Recently I have tried yet again, to be completely ignored. I have spent valuable time demonstrating the issues, principles, solutions, etc, for the whole thing to be ignored. Roland claims to be "inclusive" and that music should be for everyone. That is not true. If it was for everyone, then product design would cater accessibility for users like myself who rely on speaking computers like the Mac running VoiceOver and Logic Pro X or Protools / Protools HD, etc. Due to the refusal of any of the parties at Roland USA, Roland Japan, Roland UK, to respond, I'm putting this here. Mind you, not that any of you reading this would actually care as you're only interested in clicking a mouse to use an instrument and get amazing sounds from it. But, what if that was you without sight and wanted to use these products and services? then you're in the same boat as I. I am deeply ashamed of Roland Corporation and angered by their total lack of dignity and respect in the matters raised. You might think my case isn't important. Just think of what that would be like if this was you. you woke up one morning to see nothing. yes, it happens. I lost my sight over 20 -1/2 years ago due to an assault, I woke from a coma to nothing, like being in a black room, no light, nothing, that's how it is for the rest of my life. I don't let that stop me at all. I'm a successful musician and composer, have been in the Accessibility in Music technology scene for years, so know this inside out. I'll share with you just what it is like and what you go through when your sight is taken from you, then you will hopefully understand why I'm doing this... Put yourself in the position of waking up one morning, to see nothing, just, blackness… if that. you’re convinced it’s still night, how could you tell the time? how could you find your way around your environment? how could you use a computer, read a news paper, etc? You can’t, without training, technologies that will support you, such as a talking watch, a long cane (or guide dog for the blind), a speaking phone, computer with a screen reader installed, etc. Think then of the fact that the job you do requires eyesight, Due to this, you’d have to go on sick leave, no guarantee your bosses will keep your job open for you. In that time, you’d have to go for rehabilitation training to give you the basics to survive, otherwise you’d likely lose your mind and attempt suicide. I know that to be the case, because that happened with me. yet the suicide attempts failed. If you’ve ben driving a car or riding a bike, you won’t be able to do that, you’ll never see the faces of people you know or love again, you’ll have to remember their voices, scents, etc, your entire sighted world has vanished in to thin air, to be replaced by darkness, nothingness, just sound, smell, taste, touch, then the interceptive and receptive senses which you have to adapt to, it can be either easy or hard, depending on the fight you have with your own self and what you need to do. Do you either resign to a life of sitting in a chair doing nothing, or do you fight back and adapt your body and mind to work around your newly found limitations, for me, that’s what I did, fight back, not everyone does, it takes balls of steel to do that. You could work for Roland still, but your bosses would have to adapt your workflow, you’d be having to completely retrain. Have you ever read music braille before? sorry, stupid question. no. you’d have to if you were a musician, unless you can ear train. What you and anyone else doesn’t realise is this… Technology changes the lives of blind and visually impaired people around the world, from a speaking watch, to a speaking phone like the iphone from the 3GS onwards, which I was involved in, along with VoiceOver for the Mac, iOS, TV OS, etc over the years, some of my finest work is embedded in to voiceover and without it, it wouldn’t provide what it does now. Say, like me, you’re a musician, fully blind, in a recording studio you don’t know, brought in as an engineer / tape op. there’s a DAW based setup, you run your fingers around the system to ascertain if it’s mac or windows based. If it’s Windows, you’re screwed completely, no music accessibility for you. If however it’s a mac, chances are you can work with it depending on the studio’s software installed. If it’s Logic Pro X and / or Protools 9 / HD9 and above, then yes, you’re good, you can start working, providing you know how to use VoiceOver and know how to navigate functions, set up a console to become a spoken console, etc. If you can do these things, then music production is achievable. The problem, as I’ve continually tried to show to your company, banging my head continually against a brick wall, is this… You are a major, highly respected manufacturer, you’ve had me as a customer for about 20 years or so using older hardware, etc but promoting your brand, supporting your brand. Your company has changed focus that many times I’ve lost count. In that, you’ve no longer become supportive or understanding of blind users, it’s like we just don’t matter. do we? It’s great when you produce a piece of software or hardware that moves, excites and challenges people, encourages new ways of producing and performing music. Not so great when you remove the blind community who would be happy to buy some of your hardware and software, using the Roland Cloud System, etc, , because your design principles and lack of any understanding what-so-ever means that you are discriminating against us, deliberately, whether intentionally or unintentionally. You must look at what you’re doing as a company and change this for the better. Your actions are damaging to your brands. What would it take for you to become the first major player in the music industry to say “We support blind musicians as well, our products will speak for themselves in how we can make positive changes globally.” How would that feel for you as a company?
I agree with this. I think taking away accessibility on things like this, when it's cloud-based and could be implemented once across all systems is pretty sad.
@@kraftdinna5650 Thank you, I really appreciate your understanding and kind words. Roland used to be a fairly accessible hardware based manufacturer. I've owned everything from the D50 / D550 series to the Fantom G, not everything literally, but the range of hardware I've owned has covered various ranges. As soon as the Fantom G was killed off and support dropped, that was it, the end of decent workstations, Even the Integra, though usable, was poor, owned one, GOT RID OF IT because of bad software support. Since the new Fantom was released, it's the death of tactile accessible interfaces, everything is touch driven from a screen with no accessibility support like you'd find on an iphone or ipad running VoiceOver as an example or Google Android OS with a similar support level. Same with Korg, just as bad. Roland are pandering to a particular customer profile and abandoning those who actually do need their products, so, guys like me who've spent serious money with their brand over the years no longer matter, we don't exist, as such, Roland just doesn't care. The Roland Cloud at launch faced it's own problems as a subscription service by requiring in it's initial stages a constant online connection, which caused no end of problems, now that's changed for the better for the general consumer, However... from Day 1, this software is useless to a blind person, no screen reader can interact with it, not even the cloud manager resource, nothing. I've spent countless amounts of time reaching out to Roland and Roland Cloud about this, promised one thing, then nothing. Just to be lied to, then ignored. Yesterday, they received an email from me which states I will take action on an international level. I'm tired of this, doesn't affect just me, it affects people in the music industry with sight impairment / sight loss worldwide. How would they feel if that happened to them?
@@lewisalexander I don't know what it's like to be visually impaired but I feel for you and can't imagine how difficult it must be to live in this society where everything is switching over to touchscreen bullshit, and it's even worse that Roland is ignoring musicians like yourself with them not trying to provide accessibility to everyone. So much for progress in our society. Thanks for bringing this to our attention so we as their customers can demand they make their products accessible to people like you. In the meantime, I guess you'll have to just continue to use old equipment (and you shouldn't have to do that if you don't want to). Anyway, good luck out there bro! Roland, if you're reading this, you need to make your products usable by people with visual impairments! This is unacceptable in our supposedly more progressive and "civilized" world!!! All people deserve to experience the joy of music! As someone with past severe mental health issues, music literally saved my life and it saves the lives of visually impaired people too! And some partially and totally blind people make music their career (e.g., Stevie Wonder) and this shuts out an entire group of people from being able to work!!! You should be ashamed!
I just wonder if this board has after touch sensitivity, why sound programmers don't use that for controlling articulation? Do they know that keyboard players generally play with both hands? Do you want us to press swithces and levers? Unbelievable. It's not only a Roland issue, though.
I know. But there are hardly any presets using that as mod source. After touch should be the most important way of expression since we play with Both hands.
I think Roland are missing something here... that Fantom has the best synth action I've ever played... the best integration with Logic Pro.... why not strip the audio stuff out and make the best, coolest, most solid and well made professional MIDI controller available!? Bundle it with some Roland Cloud stuff and go after Native Instruments.... I'd buy one. Would love a 73 key C-C Fantom based midi controller 🤤 that action! A new generation of the A-50/80/90 controllers.... come on, Roland!
@@Crookedletta601ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! You have to download the SN sounds, and even then, only if you are up to the latest OS system....so , you will have to update your OS first, and then, load SN sounds.....it is a royal pain in the arse....
@@DrGargani Hey that’s built in for me lol 💀😂🤷🏾♂️ But I honestly see your point! I was talking about the aspect of actually diving in and programming/creating the sound 🙏🏾
@@estidi ok...This is sample based as well..you can't make a semi-realistic grand piano/strings/harp sound using knobs just from a synth..thats like trying to re-create those sounds using a moog --you cant do it
Anyone comparing the Fantom to Kontakt or a VST probably has never owned something like this. I have loads of Kontakt libraries that I paid good money for. I also own lots of synths and keyboards. The Fantom is an true instrument, just like all keyboards. There's something more creative about playing a real instrument compared to a VST. If you bought lots of sample libraries to get the same sounds out of a keyboard like this, you'd probably spend around $1500 or more. So in that perspective, the Fantom is not too expensive.
But the Fantom is $4000. $4000 vs $1500 for the same high quality (or even better in some instances) makes the vsts a better bargain in my opinion. If someone already has a stable computer and a midi keyboard with plenty of control capabilities, then vsts could be the better option for them. If someone is starting from scratch, this Fantom could probably be the better option for them, because getting everything could end up being around the same costs unless one is very frugal and resourceful.✌🏾
I can't see how this is better than my Fantom G6 + Integra 7 + iPad. At least Roland now has a product that can be called "finished", if you stretch the term a bit. There is still no sampling engine to speak of in it.
Unfortunately, There's a problem with SN Electric piano :( It is some issue that causes transitions between different notes and velocities are so annoying. Hope Roland R&D will fix it in some next OS. For now, FA06 has a lot of better SN El.Piano...and has more than in Fantom.....
If youre running the fantom in stereo and run it through a TC Electronics Mimiq pedal, would it make your trumpet sound like there were 2 trumpets, the same way it makes a guitar sound. I love the Mimiq pedal in stereo for guitar. I can play some Skynyrd through it and it sounds just like there are 2 guitars
Now your are doing what makes sense. Why not have all of the integra 7’s supernatural sounds included from the jump? Can we have all of the supernatural guitars or even some improved guitars, please. Thx!
Fantom is only in its beginning stages. It grows with the response from users and players. Zen Core is basically all of Roland's history so that means all technologies that Roland have invented so far every single one of them resides within the Fantom. Zen core contains the Base samples of Supernatural. Roland only needed to add the modeling features via an update. There is more to come.
Fantom is a joke for the better part. It has hilarious issues with Polyphony that boards 40 years ago! Did not. The FA is capable of more without dropout than the Fantom series and that dropped back in 2014. You can ignore the other comment as he's a Fantom apologist, little more.
03:13. Driving me up the wall. Can't pitch bend any sax for Bakerstreet, Careless Whisper etc. Saxes just run up or down in glissando. How on earth does one DEACTIVATE it? Senseless having saxes that uou can't bend up/diwn 2 semi tones....
Do I understand correctly that the SuperNatural pianos have no string resonance - making the only SN pianos on any model to lack this sort of feature? That would be an incredible omission.
Haha. Having asked this same thing on virtually every video on the internet, did you satisfy your concerns? You're more regular than the company staff.
@@theverysinfulcaterpillar5788 Did that help you finalize a purchase decision? Perhaps elsewhere? It's a commonly omitted feature of late. Some see it a little like Aftertouch, either they swear by it - or find it makes absolutely no difference to their use or perception. When it's deemed unnecessary in that fashion, it can be added to the cost saving column.
How can i assign the S1/S2/S3 to the VA String Variations. I have a Fantom 8, using the newest Software, but i dont find the Option for the assignement?
Hi, Stephan Junker. Have you discovered how to apply this assignements? I'm new with this. I press Shift + S2, but I don't find the option of Pizzicato or Tremolo. jmescri jmescri
They just fall short of the competition. Just being honest. I was hoping for quality of K2700, Montage or Kronos/Nautilus. Seems very lacking. Could be lack of impressive presets? Don't know.
Roland desperately needs more demonstrators like this. Lack of good detailed review about this flagship product.. it sucks its sail globaly right now.so Roland should bring good demos with fantom ok...
Sounds nice but after having found out Roland idea of customer service i will stay clear. I have an AX 09 that is not that old, the volume control has gone faulty, its on a small printed curcuite board and would be simple to replace with only three screws holding it and three wires to unplug, however Roland are not interested in supplying this or giving any helpful advice about same, this is to a customer with a good collection of good condition well cared for Roland equipement, The instrument in question is still in manufacture, still on sale, so its a shame their willingness to sell new gear has by far overtaken any good will towards customers.
Too pricy for what it is and in all honesty, it sounds like the previous Rolands. Keyboard cabinetry design looks fantastic and very appealing :) $6,499 for a 76 Keys !!!! WOW.
$3600 for 76 keys, which is a lot less (but still expensive). I don't regret buying the 61 key version at all, great piece of hardware. But I haven't bought any Roland synths since the V-Synth, so this is new stuff to me.
I updated my Fantom but no Concert Jazz or Tine Piano. I can’t find them. I could find the strings but S1, S2 and S3 are not working like inthis UA-cam movie. So what am I doing wrong.
SN Pianos are on Roland Cloud site. you need to register, download an app in your PC to download both expansion filesets. Then, install as is explained in the supplemental manual. Control switchs can be set as other functions avaliable.
HI Effenix. I'm trying to make work S1, S2 and S3 in SN string tone 001, and tone 0030 (violin), like in the video. I press Shift + S2 but I can't asign to something similar to Pizzicato or Tremolo. I have found an option forTremolo but it doesn't work. Do you know yet how to configure it?
makes it sound so simple, but the truth of the matter is, before you can play these supernatural sounds on the Fantom, you must FIRST: download and update the most latest OS, or you won't be able to add the sounds, and THEN: you must individually download and install different groups of these sounds to your Fantom.....in other words, when you buy this keyboard for a measly 4 grand, you are NOT getting these sounds yet! LOL.......that being said, I have an Integra module, so, I can tell you that the SN sounds are terrific, and well worth having, but for the life of me, I don't understand why, for the price of this keyboard, they weren't automatically included from the very beginning.
I agree, same tones and what not from the Integra, and the FA-06 which is what I have. Just repackaged. I'm still opening up new capabilities with my FA. This is great if you haven't jumped on board within the last few years.
There are many tones in my FA that are also in the Roland JV 2080 I have sitting in my studio. Just not the supernatural sounds. Economy of waveforms, lol.
This cat is the reason I bought the Fantom 8 back in September. Amazing skills on this instrument.
Roland rules! The first Roland synth that I had was a JV1080 of course! :) Then a XV3080, XV5080 and so on! Fantom has a super sound!
my was XP-50 :D
I owned the D50 & D550, JV1000 keyboard, JD800 synth, XV5080, Fantom S (upgraded to the G8) and then took on an integra. integra was just like having a load of EMU Proteus boards, no. If the new Fantom took the main design from the Fantom G, kept the non-touch screen based OS but enhanced it further, then I'd consider it.
@@lewisalexander Great list! Yes the Integra has everything, it's amazing! One in all box! :)
@@nauka9634 Cool! :D
I love this Roland keyboard especially the horns and piano 🎹 sounds.
Man, I'm saying this because I genuinely want to know what I'm doing wrong, but I bought the new Fantom 08 and I keep asking myself who would like these piano sounds? I can't figure out why they sound so awful. I know stuff is subjective but I just keep thinking maybe I'm not eq'ing them correctly. I'm going to call Roland's customer service on it.
That trumpet fall, though!🤩💯❗❗
Some great sounds here. I like to use the bender to control the cutoff frequency on my Juno-60. Still sounds wonderful.
I have a Roland Jupiter - 80 and I'm wondering if in terms of sounds and sound creation if this new Fantom is an upgrade over the JP-80! I don't care for the other workstation features since I produce in LPX anyway. But I love the Roland sound (proud owner of a JP-8080 as well) and this board sounds great!
I would love this if I could afford it, I really want a 'main' keyboard with over 49 keys for a home piano like performance but with synth options. Almost $5.5K AUD is way too far out of my price range. I'm going to get the Roland GAIA SH-01 this week, its on sale for $725.
$5.5? $4.5k over my own budget I'm afraid. The sounds are incredible. I'm using a Native Instruments S61 MKII MIDI keyboard at the moment; have always wanted a self-contained synthesizer though.
All the best with your purchase 👍
bro you can get used gaia for 300 ! dont overpay
There's nothing wrong with the GAIA SH-01, I know I've got one but yes it would be MUCH NICER to be able to afford the Fantom I'm sure 🤔🤔 I'm not sure if you are just joking about getting a GAIA SH-01 or not ?? but you can't even compare it to the Fantom in the slightest 🤔🤔 The one thing I hate about the GAIA SH-01 is not hving aftertouch but hey it's about 6 times cheaper than a Fantom 8 so maybe I shouldn't moan so much about it 🤔😢😢
Glen 😇😇
to be honest, you can do better. a computer such as a mac running Logic Pro X as an example, a stock of various soft synths and a decent controller such as a studiologic SL88 studio or grand, a drum trigger pad system for samples / drum programming and away you go. The Fantom, though it sounds amazing, has limitations, compare the spec against a korg kronos as an example. There's no huge breakthrough in how this makes a better workflow. Using Scenes is the same as the Yamaha Montage / ModX, etc, nothing new. In fact that limits users who want to program filter, etc It's an operating system that's lost it's way and from what I'm told by an owner, he, like me, misses the user interface of the older fantom series like the G.
FROM TURKEY ISTANBUL, ,,,SÜPERRRRRRRRRRRRR FANTASTIC ROLAND FANTOM 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏
Definitely the best sounding rompler, some beautiful sounds
Hoping for a 3.5 update !!!
1;45 not correct. You can do this with samples sounds because these are sample sounds. They have programmed to switch between different samplesounds during playing.
Excelente Keyboard Roland New Fanton 🎹🎼🎵🎶👏👏👏👏👏👏
Great now all I have to do is learn how to play piano
First buy a budget keyboard for learning not syntheizer yet or workstation.
If you dont know to play keyboard or how to use.
It had me wonder if I _really_ need 2 kidneys
The most logical straightforward instrument to learn.
Wow this is Roland as I know it! Excellent sounds! Sounds better than the Yamaha Genos if I’m honest.
How many patches are better sound for sound?
Truthing & Trolling I can’t objectively tell which ones. I like Roland products. Yamaha Genos is an impressive workstation. Let’s assume that these two are on par when it comes to sound patches. Difference in interface and functions are on both.
The Roland sound modules such as INTEGRA-7 and MT-32 (Most notable for DOS gaming) and SOUNDCANVAS (used in windows midi) as well as modified TR- 808 sample packs would make for the best hip hop music, but each individual sound module is thousands of dollars! I'm hoping these will be available as Roland cloud and zen core VSTs of some kind
These Supernatural sounds are in the Integra 7. I’m guessing you can get the same type of effects with the proper midi controller. The Axial site lets you update the Integra 7 so you’ll always have the latest from Roland. I wouldn’t mind getting a Fantom but I think I’d be doubling up too much on the sounds. That’s spending too much money on sounds I already have.
Does the integra have the VPianos
No, they have many, many types of pianos but v pianos are not on there and aren’t available in any downloads--as yet. If they had v piano I’d most likely play through an 88 weighted key controller. I use the Integra mostly for the synth sounds and other realistic instrument sounds.
Since they are on the Integra which is in itself a Jupiter - 80 in rack format, then I supposed these same sounds are also in the Jupiter 80 right?
@@MaladarGaming I’m supposing ‘yes’.
There are so many sounds. There’s no way you’re going to use half of them unless you’re producing on a daily basis everyday all day.
Best Keyboard of all time
Literally no Synths beat Yamaha sounds and its Articulattions 😌....
for instance Yamaha Tyros 5 and Genos (Arranger keyboards) AND of course Yamaha Montage 2016 and Now the real beast, literally, without any exaggeration and bias, Montage M series..... takes the win easily and righteously.
In case if acoustic sounds, i believe almost everyone agree that Yamaha is/has been number One for many decades
Although I personally own Kronos 2 and Fantom O-8..... beside Montage, Tyros 5 and Genos.... they are truly incredible in many aspects... BUT Yamaha sounds is something else....and the most important thing in a keyboard whether it's Synth or Workstation or Arranger... is quality and versatility of the sounds and sound making features such as layering, effects, ( digital or analog or analog emulator) DSP and etc.
In case of user interface and the "Flow"...
Korg, Roland in some cases do much better.... (not always of course )
But at the end.... Sound quality and the Articulations of Yamaha is incomparable .Period
By the way sequencer in Yamaha montage M series is incredible in every aspect... if you don't believe me please try it yourself dears....
I love all the major brands and their innovations but when a product is indeed near perfect, we have to respect it and accepted until the next major product
In terms of price, not so much satisfaction 😕😕
Wow Wow Wow.. I want that keyboard...
So nice but lemme see how much it costs☹
Edit: ok let's scratch that off the list❌🖌
Stick with flat sounding VST’s then🤷🏾♂️
Cool playing n love it, thanks!
Acoustic sounds are awesome and invincible.
so beautiful sound. if only we could get the Vst version of these beautiful sounds
Will Roland add supernatural acoustic and electric guitar sounds to the Fantom? That would be awesome. The other supernatural sounds are fantastic!
I don't think so..... No keyboard manufacturers have ever made realistic guitar sounds except Yamaha's Genos which sounds of guitars are good enough with various articulations however Roland in the field of guitars is very weak their top of the range keyboard like this one guitars sounds really really bad and is not worth of calling a guitar.....there is only one way to create guitar patches and that is through sampling but sampling guitar and it's numerous articulations is a tedious task and needs expertise.......
@@fahimdawer Yamaha has had the best acoustic and electric guitar and bass sounds since the release of the Motif ES in 2003.
Not neccesary. The guitars are in myviewpoint quiet good!
This Board is For The Demanding artist. You have to play it to appreciate it.
******Incredibly Responsive Key-bed*******
coming from a fantomG I would love to see audio recording added, and also a driver/template for studio one
For the price, it should have the ENTIRE Integra 7/Jupiter 80 SuperNATURAL library.
3:43, pianos are missing in the update man. The RolandCloud sign up was a stressful experience and the updates on the synth are missing some banks but they say they are installed.
THIS IS IT !!! WHAT I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR. .....
Hey Roland, why don’t you put all the supernatural sounds on the Fantom, and then create some new ones!? It’s pretty absurd you haven’t done this by now! Speacially when we realize these sounds are more than 10 years old now!
Yes we definitely need more Supernatural sounds like guitars with some different variations and efx, I would love to see a new flute with more breath tone added... I love my Integra 7 but I could really do with some more Supernatural possibilities 💯!!!
wow that's awesome i wish i could have one of this
My Fantom would like to have more supernatural sounds. Thanks !
Sounds amazing - just is 4x my budget for a synth
get the VST then
Olaf Kliemt which VST?
@@musicioso Try Zenology. Also Korg Triton VST sounds great.
My Yamaha el900m does all those effects without touching any extra buttons. Right within keys with additional horizontal touch.
Very nice and I plan to buy one real soon in 88key version. I sold my Kronos 2 88 key.
Yahoo, its a winner!
Bella.
I'm using a Nektar LX88 midi controller with my old Roland U-20 keyboard because I am that broke, but it works.
Sad Roland doesn't put all of the Integra 7 sounds on their flagship synths
I'm sorry, but I now have to do this, I'm left with little choice but to do this. Ladies & Gentlemen, I have to bring this to your attention, not that you'd care about this because it doesn't affect you. Over the many years, I have been a loyal professional roland products owner and user, in fact well over 20 years plus.. In that time, the last few years have seen Roland take itself in to directions where quality and design have changed, and not for the better. It used to be a principle where you could reasonably get around an instrument if you were visually impaired or blind, now, since the new fantom and also Roland Cloud, not anymore. Since the launch of Roland cloud, Roland have deliberately excluded blind and visually impaired customers from using their products, even to today. Roland have made this even worse with the release of the Roland Fantom (touch screen version). Also with regards any software they now release. There is absolutely no consideration to "Universal Accessibility" in the design of the software or hardware and as such, blind and visually impaired users worldwide are being punished for this. I have spent the last few years bringing this matter to Roland Directors attention in vane. Recently I have tried yet again, to be completely ignored. I have spent valuable time demonstrating the issues, principles, solutions, etc, for the whole thing to be ignored. Roland claims to be "inclusive" and that music should be for everyone. That is not true. If it was for everyone, then product design would cater accessibility for users like myself who rely on speaking computers like the Mac running VoiceOver and Logic Pro X or Protools / Protools HD, etc. Due to the refusal of any of the parties at Roland USA, Roland Japan, Roland UK, to respond, I'm putting this here. Mind you, not that any of you reading this would actually care as you're only interested in clicking a mouse to use an instrument and get amazing sounds from it. But, what if that was you without sight and wanted to use these products and services? then you're in the same boat as I.
I am deeply ashamed of Roland Corporation and angered by their total lack of dignity and respect in the matters raised. You might think my case isn't important. Just think of what that would be like if this was you. you woke up one morning to see nothing. yes, it happens. I lost my sight over 20 -1/2 years ago due to an assault, I woke from a coma to nothing, like being in a black room, no light, nothing, that's how it is for the rest of my life. I don't let that stop me at all. I'm a successful musician and composer, have been in the Accessibility in Music technology scene for years, so know this inside out. I'll share with you just what it is like and what you go through when your sight is taken from you, then you will hopefully understand why I'm doing this...
Put yourself in the position of waking up one morning, to see nothing, just, blackness… if that. you’re convinced it’s still night, how could you tell the time? how could you find your way around your environment? how could you use a computer, read a news paper, etc? You can’t, without training, technologies that will support you, such as a talking watch, a long cane (or guide dog for the blind), a speaking phone, computer with a screen reader installed, etc. Think then of the fact that the job you do requires eyesight, Due to this, you’d have to go on sick leave, no guarantee your bosses will keep your job open for you. In that time, you’d have to go for rehabilitation training to give you the basics to survive, otherwise you’d likely lose your mind and attempt suicide. I know that to be the case, because that happened with me. yet the suicide attempts failed. If you’ve ben driving a car or riding a bike, you won’t be able to do that, you’ll never see the faces of people you know or love again, you’ll have to remember their voices, scents, etc, your entire sighted world has vanished in to thin air, to be replaced by darkness, nothingness, just sound, smell, taste, touch, then the interceptive and receptive senses which you have to adapt to, it can be either easy or hard, depending on the fight you have with your own self and what you need to do. Do you either resign to a life of sitting in a chair doing nothing, or do you fight back and adapt your body and mind to work around your newly found limitations, for me, that’s what I did, fight back, not everyone does, it takes balls of steel to do that. You could work for Roland still, but your bosses would have to adapt your workflow, you’d be having to completely retrain. Have you ever read music braille before? sorry, stupid question. no. you’d have to if you were a musician, unless you can ear train.
What you and anyone else doesn’t realise is this… Technology changes the lives of blind and visually impaired people around the world, from a speaking watch, to a speaking phone like the iphone from the 3GS onwards, which I was involved in, along with VoiceOver for the Mac, iOS, TV OS, etc over the years, some of my finest work is embedded in to voiceover and without it, it wouldn’t provide what it does now.
Say, like me, you’re a musician, fully blind, in a recording studio you don’t know, brought in as an engineer / tape op. there’s a DAW based setup, you run your fingers around the system to ascertain if it’s mac or windows based. If it’s Windows, you’re screwed completely, no music accessibility for you. If however it’s a mac, chances are you can work with it depending on the studio’s software installed. If it’s Logic Pro X and / or Protools 9 / HD9 and above, then yes, you’re good, you can start working, providing you know how to use VoiceOver and know how to navigate functions, set up a console to become a spoken console, etc. If you can do these things, then music production is achievable.
The problem, as I’ve continually tried to show to your company, banging my head continually against a brick wall, is this… You are a major, highly respected manufacturer, you’ve had me as a customer for about 20 years or so using older hardware, etc but promoting your brand, supporting your brand. Your company has changed focus that many times I’ve lost count. In that, you’ve no longer become supportive or understanding of blind users, it’s like we just don’t matter. do we?
It’s great when you produce a piece of software or hardware that moves, excites and challenges people, encourages new ways of producing and performing music. Not so great when you remove the blind community who would be happy to buy some of your hardware and software, using the Roland Cloud System, etc, , because your design principles and lack of any understanding what-so-ever means that you are discriminating against us, deliberately, whether intentionally or unintentionally. You must look at what you’re doing as a company and change this for the better. Your actions are damaging to your brands.
What would it take for you to become the first major player in the music industry to say “We support blind musicians as well, our products will speak for themselves in how we can make positive changes globally.” How would that feel for you as a company?
I agree with this. I think taking away accessibility on things like this, when it's cloud-based and could be implemented once across all systems is pretty sad.
@@kraftdinna5650 Thank you, I really appreciate your understanding and kind words. Roland used to be a fairly accessible hardware based manufacturer. I've owned everything from the D50 / D550 series to the Fantom G, not everything literally, but the range of hardware I've owned has covered various ranges. As soon as the Fantom G was killed off and support dropped, that was it, the end of decent workstations, Even the Integra, though usable, was poor, owned one, GOT RID OF IT because of bad software support. Since the new Fantom was released, it's the death of tactile accessible interfaces, everything is touch driven from a screen with no accessibility support like you'd find on an iphone or ipad running VoiceOver as an example or Google Android OS with a similar support level. Same with Korg, just as bad. Roland are pandering to a particular customer profile and abandoning those who actually do need their products, so, guys like me who've spent serious money with their brand over the years no longer matter, we don't exist, as such, Roland just doesn't care. The Roland Cloud at launch faced it's own problems as a subscription service by requiring in it's initial stages a constant online connection, which caused no end of problems, now that's changed for the better for the general consumer, However... from Day 1, this software is useless to a blind person, no screen reader can interact with it, not even the cloud manager resource, nothing. I've spent countless amounts of time reaching out to Roland and Roland Cloud about this, promised one thing, then nothing. Just to be lied to, then ignored. Yesterday, they received an email from me which states I will take action on an international level. I'm tired of this, doesn't affect just me, it affects people in the music industry with sight impairment / sight loss worldwide. How would they feel if that happened to them?
I agree with this. All these companies should provide accessibility to people with disability. This can be done. I am saddened by this.
@@lewisalexander I don't know what it's like to be visually impaired but I feel for you and can't imagine how difficult it must be to live in this society where everything is switching over to touchscreen bullshit, and it's even worse that Roland is ignoring musicians like yourself with them not trying to provide accessibility to everyone. So much for progress in our society. Thanks for bringing this to our attention so we as their customers can demand they make their products accessible to people like you. In the meantime, I guess you'll have to just continue to use old equipment (and you shouldn't have to do that if you don't want to). Anyway, good luck out there bro!
Roland, if you're reading this, you need to make your products usable by people with visual impairments! This is unacceptable in our supposedly more progressive and "civilized" world!!! All people deserve to experience the joy of music! As someone with past severe mental health issues, music literally saved my life and it saves the lives of visually impaired people too! And some partially and totally blind people make music their career (e.g., Stevie Wonder) and this shuts out an entire group of people from being able to work!!! You should be ashamed!
I just read your comment. What you are saying is really important!
A beautiful musical instrument 👍.Please you ,play anything😁
Id like to know when roland will release some affordable keyboards - not everyone has between £1000 - £1700 to buy a decent sounding synth
Can't beat the Roland go keys
I just wonder if this board has after touch sensitivity, why sound programmers don't use that for controlling articulation? Do they know that keyboard players generally play with both hands? Do you want us to press swithces and levers? Unbelievable. It's not only a Roland issue, though.
Hi Szathmari Tamas, the Fantom does have aftertouch.
I know. But there are hardly any presets using that as mod source. After touch should be the most important way of expression since we play with Both hands.
Roland presets have sounded lackluster since Eric Persing left the company, even though their hardware is good.
Nice.... Total opposite of my Roland D-50. Very powerful synthesizer!
I think Roland are missing something here... that Fantom has the best synth action I've ever played... the best integration with Logic Pro.... why not strip the audio stuff out and make the best, coolest, most solid and well made professional MIDI controller available!? Bundle it with some Roland Cloud stuff and go after Native Instruments.... I'd buy one. Would love a 73 key C-C Fantom based midi controller 🤤 that action! A new generation of the A-50/80/90 controllers.... come on, Roland!
Sounds Great!! Hey are these patches internally built in the new Fantom & no need to program? Thank you
Yup, built in🙏🏾
@@Crookedletta601ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! You have to download the SN sounds, and even then, only if you are up to the latest OS system....so , you will have to update your OS first, and then, load SN sounds.....it is a royal pain in the arse....
@@DrGargani Hey that’s built in for me lol 💀😂🤷🏾♂️ But I honestly see your point! I was talking about the aspect of actually diving in and programming/creating the sound 🙏🏾
strings with no glide between note is no supernatural
THANKS !!
Beautiful design. However, heard waaaay more realism in my kontakt sample libraries
Because it's a SYNTHESIZER. Of course sample would sound way better.
O Kontakt e um controlador robusto muito mais realismo mesmo, e por muito menos dinheiro
@@estidi ok...This is sample based as well..you can't make a semi-realistic grand piano/strings/harp sound using knobs just from a synth..thats like trying to re-create those sounds using a moog --you cant do it
While using Portamento on ... does Roland crossfade smoothly with different samples in a multisampled voice (say a violin)?
EP súper natural!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍
Anyone comparing the Fantom to Kontakt or a VST probably has never owned something like this. I have loads of Kontakt libraries that I paid good money for. I also own lots of synths and keyboards. The Fantom is an true instrument, just like all keyboards. There's something more creative about playing a real instrument compared to a VST. If you bought lots of sample libraries to get the same sounds out of a keyboard like this, you'd probably spend around $1500 or more. So in that perspective, the Fantom is not too expensive.
But the Fantom is $4000. $4000 vs $1500 for the same high quality (or even better in some instances) makes the vsts a better bargain in my opinion. If someone already has a stable computer and a midi keyboard with plenty of control capabilities, then vsts could be the better option for them. If someone is starting from scratch, this Fantom could probably be the better option for them, because getting everything could end up being around the same costs unless one is very frugal and resourceful.✌🏾
Some really old Roland gear in that rack and even a Tascam DAT machine!
PLEASE SUPERNATURAL DRUMS!!
sounds incredible
I can't see how this is better than my Fantom G6 + Integra 7 + iPad. At least Roland now has a product that can be called "finished", if you stretch the term a bit. There is still no sampling engine to speak of in it.
analogue filter for one/
I bough one ,
Is there a link like How to do first steps ?
Unfortunately, There's a problem with SN Electric piano :( It is some issue that causes transitions between different notes and velocities are so annoying. Hope Roland R&D will fix it in some next OS. For now, FA06 has a lot of better SN El.Piano...and has more than in Fantom.....
If youre running the fantom in stereo and run it through a TC Electronics Mimiq pedal, would it make your trumpet sound like there were 2 trumpets, the same way it makes a guitar sound. I love the Mimiq pedal in stereo for guitar. I can play some Skynyrd through it and it sounds just like there are 2 guitars
How do the vibes sound on the Fantom
Sound fantastic BUT rings on thumbs meh always looks painful to me.
amazing sound
Does it have drums machine...?
For or as a sequencer...?
amazing
Would it make sense to have Fantom and JupiterX and Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 with Maschine+ all connected to Logic Pro?
Now your are doing what makes sense. Why not have all of the integra 7’s supernatural sounds included from the jump? Can we have all of the supernatural guitars or even some improved guitars, please. Thx!
Fantom is only in its beginning stages. It grows with the response from users and players. Zen Core is basically all of Roland's history so that means all technologies that Roland have invented so far every single one of them resides within the Fantom. Zen core contains the Base samples of Supernatural. Roland only needed to add the modeling features via an update. There is more to come.
Fantom is a joke for the better part. It has hilarious issues with Polyphony that boards 40 years ago! Did not. The FA is capable of more without dropout than the Fantom series and that dropped back in 2014.
You can ignore the other comment as he's a Fantom apologist, little more.
Les cordes ne sont toujours pas au rendez vous , le hardware a pris l’avantage et ne le lache pas
03:13. Driving me up the wall. Can't pitch bend any sax for Bakerstreet, Careless Whisper etc. Saxes just run up or down in glissando. How on earth does one DEACTIVATE it? Senseless having saxes that uou can't bend up/diwn 2 semi tones....
Can it replace Jupiter 80?
WOW!!!!!
is the Hugo sample on there?
Okay perfect 👌🏻, so I’m selling my car for a keyboard 👍🏻
Everything sounds good with Reverb but the True nature of the sound comes alive when you play it dry and that's when you record music.
Thank you
Do I understand correctly that the SuperNatural pianos have no string resonance - making the only SN pianos on any model to lack this sort of feature? That would be an incredible omission.
Haha. Having asked this same thing on virtually every video on the internet, did you satisfy your concerns? You're more regular than the company staff.
@@ErraticFaith I eventually did purchase a Fantom 8 and was disappointed to find that my suspicions were correct and there is no resonance.
@@theverysinfulcaterpillar5788 Did that help you finalize a purchase decision? Perhaps elsewhere?
It's a commonly omitted feature of late. Some see it a little like Aftertouch, either they swear by it - or find it makes absolutely no difference to their use or perception. When it's deemed unnecessary in that fashion, it can be added to the cost saving column.
Tremendo Teclado,
Super
How can i assign the S1/S2/S3 to the VA String Variations. I have a Fantom 8, using the newest Software, but i dont find the Option for the assignement?
Hi, Stephan Junker.
Have you discovered how to apply this assignements? I'm new with this.
I press Shift + S2, but I don't find the option of Pizzicato or Tremolo.
jmescri jmescri
I want this fucking keyboard , I love it , it’s damn good 👍👍
Question, can I play my vests with the fantom, and if so how? Thanks!
They just fall short of the competition. Just being honest. I was hoping for quality of K2700, Montage or Kronos/Nautilus. Seems very lacking. Could be lack of impressive presets? Don't know.
I have the Roland xp-80
Which Sinthe is the one on the left, that one with 3 octaves..?
I wonder if the Jupiter-X/Xm will get Supernatural tones.
I don't think so honestly. Roland intended for the Jupiter series to be mainly synth based and not for acoustic sounds.
Korg pa 600 is board of miracles...
I'm using PA600. And R you kidding to post this against Roland Fantom?
I only see supernatural strings on the update . What happened to the rest 🤷🏾♂️
Where do I buy these super natural sounds and how much are they?
Roland desperately needs more demonstrators like this. Lack of good detailed review about this flagship product.. it sucks its sail globaly right now.so Roland should bring good demos with fantom ok...
Where is Bert Smorenburg?!
Sounds nice but after having found out Roland idea of customer service i will stay clear.
I have an AX 09 that is not that old, the volume control has gone faulty, its on a small printed curcuite board and would be simple to replace with only three screws holding it and three wires to unplug, however Roland are not interested in supplying this or giving any helpful advice about same, this is to a customer with a good collection of good condition well cared for Roland equipement,
The instrument in question is still in manufacture, still on sale, so its a shame their willingness to sell new gear has by far overtaken any good will towards customers.
Cool
That opening intro ! Sounds like… general midi.
Trumpet tone 0256 is not there!! must be another one
Too pricy for what it is and in all honesty, it sounds like the previous Rolands. Keyboard cabinetry design looks fantastic and very appealing :) $6,499 for a 76 Keys !!!! WOW.
$3600 for 76 keys, which is a lot less (but still expensive). I don't regret buying the 61 key version at all, great piece of hardware. But I haven't bought any Roland synths since the V-Synth, so this is new stuff to me.
Qflick Nope that’s a 76
I still have my JV-1000. Not making Roland rich, I guess :/
I updated my Fantom but no Concert Jazz or Tine Piano. I can’t find them. I could find the strings but S1, S2 and S3 are not working like inthis UA-cam movie. So what am I doing wrong.
SN Pianos are on Roland Cloud site. you need to register, download an app in your PC to download both expansion filesets. Then, install as is explained in the supplemental manual. Control switchs can be set as other functions avaliable.
HI Effenix.
I'm trying to make work S1, S2 and S3 in SN string tone 001, and tone 0030 (violin), like in the video. I press Shift + S2 but I can't asign to something similar to Pizzicato or Tremolo. I have found an option forTremolo but it doesn't work.
Do you know yet how to configure it?
makes it sound so simple, but the truth of the matter is, before you can play these supernatural sounds on the Fantom, you must FIRST: download and update the most latest OS, or you won't be able to add the sounds, and THEN: you must individually download and install different groups of these sounds to your Fantom.....in other words, when you buy this keyboard for a measly 4 grand, you are NOT getting these sounds yet! LOL.......that being said, I have an Integra module, so, I can tell you that the SN sounds are terrific, and well worth having, but for the life of me, I don't understand why, for the price of this keyboard, they weren't automatically included from the very beginning.
everything that already exists in integra 7
More editing capabilities
I agree, same tones and what not from the Integra, and the FA-06 which is what I have. Just repackaged. I'm still opening up new capabilities with my FA. This is great if you haven't jumped on board within the last few years.
There are many tones in my FA that are also in the Roland JV 2080 I have sitting in my studio. Just not the supernatural sounds. Economy of waveforms, lol.
#FACTS!!!!
@@blankman4012 yes, because in the molecule it ends up not being so practical!
Which model it is?
At first I didn't notice the Alto Sax at 3:10 min ... and then - at least I think - discovered it 😅
Roland have the same sounds since my JV80 ....
Gee - did you not get the whole supernatural thing? The options are WAY beyond the "simple" sampling of earlier keyboards.
No..... no they dont.
The JV-80 had 4Mb ROM, no insert effects, no SuperNatural Acoustic, and no VA synthesis. I’ll bet the Fantom has more🙄