Monty Was Framed... And I Can Prove It
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- I told myself I wasn't going to spend too much effort on this. It seems like I lied to myself
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The calm song near the end of the video is called Of Course by Emily Rubye. The rest are from the official OSTs from the FNaF and Ace Attorney games
I did my best to credit everyone I used as footage for this video, but if I missed anyone then I am sorry
I really should have put a disclaimer somewhere in the video but I think here is just as good hahaha, so I'll put some observations in this comment. I'm a guy (he/him), yes I know I sound like a twelve year old :>
Aside from that, there was one SB duffel message mentioning Bonnie that I couldn't fit in the video, but it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the theory. It was about someone working at the pizzaplex talking about how Bonnie was "decommissioned" and that maybe this was even a good thing. It mostly just showed that Management thought that having Monty fill in his shoes was obvious, and doesn't seem to have any corroboration with Monty's actions. Monty's been having aggressive issues ever since Bonnie's disappearance and any time Freddy is threatened to behave or literally goes missing, MONTY is the first choice that comes to mind to be the new frontman, temporarily or permanently (see Vanessa threatening Freddy about "slapping his shell on a new endo" or the Mister Hippo ending). Mostly it just means that management knows Monty is popular and could handle the responsibility of taking centre stage
Mostly I made this video to convince my brother but I didn't expect so many eyes to have reached this already!!! I probably would have put more emphasis on Bonnie's limbs being disassembled (the Mimic's main method of killing in the books) if I'd known
IMPORTANT UPDATE: He finally caught up with Ruin and was immediately recommended this video lmaooo. We watched it together. He had no arguments to refute the theory and said that he liked it :>
Hooray! My brother can finally rant to someone else other than me fifteen or more times in a row about fnaf!!
@@matchamythix You are going to hear about Michael Afton again and you are going to LIKE IT >:[ /lh
Good work little man subbed
Bonnie was portrayed as being good friends with Monty as far as I’m aware. (I haven’t played sb or ruin) There was the painting on the wall in ruin showing Bonnie giving Monty his bass, meaning that they were most likely friends. Maybe bonnie bringing decommissioned caused Monty to begin his aggressive behaviour, which was unknowingly aided by fazbear entertainment by giving him claws.
Also… chica? Moon? Map bot?
3 very big suspects in this case
@@worm5495 Man maybe I need to make a follow-up to this, you're like the fifth person who's asked about Chica haha
For the people mentioning Monty’s constant aggression, we have figured out that they are different whenever they’re not hostile. Take Roxanne for example. We see her as a cocky animatronic who is obsessed with winning and her looks, but in the dlc we see that she does care for the kids that she meets. So I just wonder how Monty and Chica really are whenever they aren’t in their “hostile mode”
Well, in the cardboard cutouts in SB, Monty was advertised as pretty calm and laid back.
@@starletnight2849Also, some people like to bring up that "Tornado cutout" as "Evidence that Monty killed Bonnie"... But I see it differently.
"The Far away cutout of Bonnie being Blown away" can be considered a case of "Monty obsessing over hating Freddy, that he forgot his adoration of Bonnie".
In a sense, if we consider Bonnie's cutout being that far away, it can imply that Bonnie is trying to reach out to Monty, that Bonnie is Begging Monty to stop, that he is still here... But because his AI and thus, his "Soul" being too far away and only able to 'Speak' through the Wet Floor Bots, Monty is deaf to Bonnie's pleas, becoming an unknowing puppet to the schemes of Mimic-01.
@@Victor-056 Depressing. I love it.
Fun fact and another explanation for the green along the claw marks:
Hydraulic fluid.
Phosphate-ester base hydraulic fluids tend to usually have a *GREEN* colourant added to them for easier leak detection. (Versus synthetic hydrocarbon base fluids which are red.)
So the green fluid is basically more like an animatronic bloodstain than paint from the attacker, given the animatronics would likely need said fluid to move and function most effectively.
Hmm, but what about the blue type paint on the bare endoskeletons? Is that hydraulic stuff or cold fluids to combat heat from moving parts? If green paint is so where else could we see it in SB, ruin, or the books?
@@YogurtSnipeI just did a quick Google search and this is what I found.
Castrol Blue Hydraulic Plus is formulated with carefully selected premium base oils, coupled with rust, oxidation, and foam inhibitors. Superior hydrolytic stability provides additional protection against corrosion and wear when contaminated with water while providing longer pump life and less wear.
This is true I've seen major hydrologic leaks before
I have to agree. I don't see why people think it's paint. I know its a videogame but its decaying and dirty in a way we see does not happen to the animatronics paint given how well the rest of bonnie's paint has held up. Maybe I've just seen too much flourescent penetrant which looks much like dyed hydraulic fluid.
The fact that Bonnie was destroyed using claws, and that Monty didn't have his claws until *after* he replaced Bonnie, is the single most important piece of evidence we should use to debunk the notion that Monty destroyed Bonnie. I hadn't even thought of it until you mentioned it, and I feel like an idiot for not realizing it before, and I'm sure many other people feel the same.
The "claw marks" look more like tear marks tbh, whoever killed him TORE his chest open, not clawed it
He did have claws before,but AFTER he replaced bonnie his claws was changed to claws adapted fr playing guitar
Don't beat yourself up about it. This is FNAF, a consistent timeline is... Optional, to say the least.
how is it "claw marks".Any Glamrock ruined has the same marks yet none except freddy were destroyed by one
could he actually get those claws and then put them back? If not then who did it? Maybe they wanted monty to replace bonnie or monty made a deal with someone? No way a company this big couldn't find bonnie if they cared enough.
Furthermore, for those that may still question monty's source of rage and his character shown in security breach, keep in mind that we see him after the events of Bonnie's discontinuation.
We know that Freddy and the gang some level of sentience and complex emotions. Through roxy's narcissism and through chica's love for food and through Freddy's grief. Through this, we can assume that Monty had some level of feelings as well. We know that Monty existed within the pizzaplex alongside Bonnie, and had his own station within the pizzaplex, monty golf. Similarly, Monty has played the bass guitar/ guitar, and so did Bonnie. It can be assumed that while Monty was not part of the main gang, Bonnie was a large inspiration for Monty and his bass playing abilities. Meaning, once Bonnie was suddenly murdered, Monty could possibly be dealing with grief in a negative way. We see freddy deal with grief by disassociation, while Monty could be refusing to deal with Bonnie's grief altogether and even going to lengths like being determined to find the culprit for Bonnie's death, which can explain his distrust within other members of the gang like Freddy. We even see that Monty sometimes is unmotivated to perform on stage, and this could be from him having a mental breakdown or thinking negatively of himself 'taking Bonnie's palce', the one who he has looked up to for so much time. That is just my general thoughts.
so how does this fit in with the Monty Golf arcade game where Freddy is shown in the trash can and Monty is the lead singer? Or the ending where Monty's the lead singer and Mr. Hippo is playing the Triangle? 😕
@@gamingamory
With his grief-filled aggression, and temperamental attitude, of course he would blame it more towards Freddy. And that can either go down two lanes.
I’m focusing primarily on the VIP ending of which you are referring to, but my statement can partially be linked with the arcade game.
Scenario 1 could have Monty’s grief turning to pure, unadulterated aggression and hatred towards the only person with a connection with Bonnie. With his - how do I put this lightly - dummy dum brain, he wouldn’t be too bright to see past what’s face value, essentially meaning that Freddy was close to Bonnie, and would have an easy time luring Bonnie to where he would have to be, therefore, to Monty, the dots would be connected and you couldn’t convince him otherwise, he’s too aggressive and prideful that he believes himself to be utterly correct.
[Off-Topic, but another reason Monty would spend more time up in the catwalks of all places would be him plotting a way to destroy another animatronic without too much a struggle, or he could’ve seen the logs of which showed Bonnie’s last location, and would be investigating his assumption of the ‘scene of the crime’ for a prolonged amount of time, both to find the answer (he hopes it will be Freddy so he would be right) and to stay away from Freddy during the time the suspicion is all time high]
Scenario 2 is that he begrudgingly takes Freddy’s position both out of spite and out of obligation as lead when he goes missing. It’s never truly indicated in that ending whether or not Monty shows up to the show more times or not. It’s very possible he has the same habits of just.. not showin’ up.
Now as for the arcade machine. No idea. The whole place seems to be severely affected by the AR world (with the grid textures) and it’s kinda difficult to figure out if it was programmed by those who made the arcades, or if it was a weird program that links directly to Monty’s CPU. In the original Security Breach, it was planned for those 9 extra holes to be included in the arcade machine, and while in actuality the holes were just unfinished by the devs, in universe, it could definitely be explained by this weird Month CPU thing I just made up, they could’ve finished being created by Monty’s CPU link when right now he’s jus a feral pile of wires and aggression,, where his thoughts are hazy and unfinished (the grid textures being missing information) and only focuses on specific things, like his environment in Monty golf, little aspects of Roxy’s stuff, and his hatred to Freddy. (I’ll have to look at the holes to really get a grip on the idea) but I find it strange that the arcade machine wasn’t active until *after* the pizzaplex was destroyed,, like some weird possession shit still giving power or, maybe being switched on automatically once completed by Monty’s cpu-generated bullshit I just came up with
@@gamingamorythe company or whatever but I could be wrong
Consider we found Bonnie's body outside of Bonnie Bowl, not Monty Golf
I thought his "rage" was from being taken over, like how roxy became cruel when she was meant to tease, chika was technically an attention addict but they leaned into gluttony again, and monty was competitiveness turning into destruction
Maybe the reason Monty always walks around at the catwalks is because he saw what happened to Bonnie and knew he couldn’t fight the mimic, and if he spoke about it the staff would probably wipe his memory so all he can do to reassure himself is just remember the events that took Bonnie away
It also could have been from the Gator Golf catwalks! Lemme explain… if we minus the scratch marks on Bonnie, his damage is the same type of damage shattered Monty has in base security breach. Broken jaw, broken eyes, same scar on his head, same giant hole in his chest(minute claw marks), and his torso is detached at the waist, we can see his spinal cables in between his waist and chest. (Plus there is a tiny Glamrock Bonnie in the Monty backstory ride at the top of the tornado. I don’t know why it is there but it shows Bonnie falling)
@@rainwatcher5978It also looks like Bonnie is Reaching out to Monty... And he is looking in the Direction of Monty who is blowing Freddy away.
It can be twofold, 1) Bonnie falling is the most painful memory of Monty, who borderline heroworshipped Bonnie, and he was haunted by it to the point his Vengance against Freddy, is motivated because he believes that "Freddy should have been the one to fall, not Bonnie!", or "You should have been there to save Bonnie, you Honey-Scoffing Lardbear!"... Or 2) Bonnie's cutout represents that Bonnie is trying to reach out to Monty, to tell him where he is, that he is still here... But because Bonnie is unable to speak to Monty, all he is forced to do, is Watch as his Number one fan slowly decays into a monster obsessed with Hating Freddy.
@@Victor-056 I love this interpretation!
A detail you missed that supports The Mimic killed Bonnie is that Bonnie's limbs are ripped off in the room. It is constantly repeated in the books that The Mimic rips off people's limbs to kill them. So yeah, it was probably him.
I didn't miss it, I just didn't really think to bring it up tbh. But you're not the first to point that out and I definitely should have connected the dots as to why it felt "off" that Bonnie was dissected like that
Well the book mimic behaves differently and looms different than the one in the game...the jumpscares for example show him to use his fists instead of ripping Cassie apart...also no rabbit ears
@@BlackCroft666While that may be true, I imagine they would avoid having Cassie literally ripped to pieces visually because that would be.. a bit graphic. And in his jumpscare it does look like he reaches for her left arm.
For the ear thing, remember: he mimics anything he sees and even seems to have some mis-matching parts which could imply that he modifies himself to fit his roles better.
Correction: he reaches for her head, sorry!
@@cometkumaEven then, it could've punched her to knock her out and THEN dissect her arms.
Wait, that wasn't me either? Did I do anything lore relevant, or did the Mimic just completely co-opt my entire character arc?
The moment where you revealed how Monty only got his claws AFTER he replaced Bonnie genuenly felt like a moment straight out of Ace Attorney, the music and editing was absolutely perfect and you straight up made me go "holy crap.. HE'S INNOCENT!??" 10/10
Yea I love ace attorney
actually, ALL of them have claws
Hearing a guy who sounds like Gregory make FNAF theories makes me want to see a full “Gregory theories” series.
Congratulations this was the funniest comment about my voice on here. You made me cackle so loud I startled the cat
@@askerror1987 How does it feel to be a robot :)
@@jorgemtzb9359 I WISH I was a robot maybe I would stop getting hit with the "curse of tummy hurt" beam
Oh no not the cat
@@animal_gal_adventures9885 Don't worry he lives with some very loud people, he's used to it!
as an ace attorney fan, it’d have been cool to hear the music come in the EXACT moment you mention that the claws only got installed after he was playing bass. cause ace attorney loves having the music kick in DURING the “oh shit” moment.
other than that it actually NAILED what ace attorney dramatic reveals feel like. right down to how it was worded. good shit.
I'll bear that in mind for next time!
Only issue I have is that they're less of claw marks and more of tear marks. I have no doubt that any of the animatronics and tear each other limb from limb, and in this case it seems like his chest was pried apart, resulting in those tear marks. Saw another comment that says that it's less likely that it was paint and more likely that it was a hydraulic fluid that's colored green to detect leaks, which makes more sense looking at the texture.
As a former Monty hater, thank you for helping me see the light.
Same here!
You hate monty i love him
Monty is the hero❤
@Killer_Chan erm- that's some misinformation, idk where it says he's the hero. it's either just a joke or he was a witness.
@agustinarissopatron1785 he said he used to hate Monty, I did, too, because Bonnie's my favorite, I didn't like that Bonnie was dead in the game, but I can't fo anything abt it lol.
Btw, saying your former just means you used to be.
The biggest nail in the coffin in Monty's defense is that Bonnie was destroyed behind the Bonnie Bowl, nowhere near Monty Golf. Also Bonnie's sightings the night of his dissapearance might've been the mimic itself
Horrifying image popped into my head of the Mimic crawling into Bonnie's suit Minireena style, thank you for that hahaha
@@askerror1987 It's about time security breach was horrifying lmao
@@generalcorgi698hahahaha! Ruin was at least a step in the right direction. Hope they can get even scarier with Help Wanted 2!
@@askerror1987 perhaps the clawmarks on bonnies chest are from the mimic trying to use him as a suit, wandering into monty golf and perhaps taking the vents/sewers to the secret room in bonnie bowl?
Also explains why Monty was the replacement - if management knew the Mimic existed, and was trying to replace Bonnie with itself, the easiest solution is to just retire Bonnie.
Eclipse was already a mess of programming. That only leaves Monty as a possible replacement - even if he doesn’t seem to interested in Performing.
I think it wasn’t that monty didn’t want the spot light. Just that he didn’t want it like *this.* he wanted to play with the band. The **whole** band. Bro literally idolized them. Why would he want to kill any of them? Even if he doesn’t like freddy, he doesn’t seem like the type to want to kill freddy. Or anyone for that matter.
I think the biggest piece of evidence for monty is not that his claws are black, but that his hands are purple. Just as a small knife can make long incisions, small claws can make long cuts, but getting those huge, hand-sized gashes seem more likely to be the work of tearing and bending rather than slashing. Even if Monty is strong enough to bend metal- which let's be real, all animatronics absolutely can- doing so would be almost impossible without paint scraping off, like you were getting at in the part about Monty needing paint job repairs.
I see the scratch, and I do think it's from his chest being pried apart, as to why it tapers off at the end, or something to that degree.
@@titan1umtitan It looks more like the work of the STAFF Bots... And not that Bonnie is in a Room that is accessable by the railmounted STAFF Bots.
@@Victor-056 it’s possible, but no matter what happened, it was premeditated, whether or not monty did it is somewhat irrelevant given that the cause of death was a controlled bot, although, I do believe monty is probably the only one capable of ripping a chest open
I knew Monty didn’t do it. He shows all the signs of aggression because nobody has enough faith in him to see past “gator has claws = obvious murderer”. Monty is acting out as a trauma response.
He's an animatronic not a living person. I'm sure he's just aggressive because something is up with his programming just like the rest of the animatronics. Not that he's somehow aware that the audience thinks he killed someone and is having a 'trauma response'.
@@Lisa_Flowers That’s a narrow view of the subject matter. This is a world with AI built to be complex enough to mimic human emotions, affectations, and interactions. While we can’t say if the end result is just how they were programmed or corrupted code, they present as having the same range of emotions as a human being. See Roxy’s self consciousness or Monty’s aggression. These traits are still recognizable emotions and thus should be treated as such. That’s the thing about semi-sentient AI. At some point, it becomes indistinguishable from the workings of a human mind because we are, in essence, very complex organic computers. If an AI that may be sentient expresses emotions, then they should be treated as having those emotions. Because if it’s NOT just a programmed response. If the AI IS sentient, then your callous reaction to them is not only traumatic for them, but plenty of reason for them to lash out to defend themselves. Just because someone or something is different from you in some way, doesn’t mean they lack emotion, intelligence, or self awareness.
@@Formoka I wanted to support you until your last sentence. It is a robot, it is not that we "discriminate" him, it is just that we have enough knowledge to know ai doesn't have emotions
Robots can’t “feel” truama
@@Lisa_FlowersWhy does Freddy say I miss him then they clearly are capable of emotion.
I don't understand why anyone ever thought that Monty killed Bonnie.
He's shown literally everywhere that he actually hates Freddy.
It's even shown IN THE LOG FLUME RIDE, so at the very least, management is aware of it! Monty seems to actually carry a great amount of respect for Bonnie considering that his glasses in SB that he seems to be quite proud of were actually Bonnie's first. And we don't see those glasses in the depictions of Bonnie in the log flume ride which could possibly even suggest that Bonnie GIFTED those glasses to him. The more Ruin showed us about Bonnie, the more the Monty Killed Bonnie story doesn't add up at all
Technically if monty wanted to become lead, he would have to slowly get in, which means getting ONE of the parts. Sadly, that could have been bonnie.
@@sunnyism Well luckily Monty never killed Bonnie
Monty doesn't specifically hate Freddy or Bonnie, he just wants to be the star. Killing either of them is a step in the right direction. Bonnie was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. If it was Freddy wandering into Bonnie Bowl at night, I'm sure Monty would've gotten rid of him, but it was Bonnie. Killing Bonnie still allowed him to join the band and get more popular, which is his overall goal. He wants to become the new face of the show. He wants to be the new Freddy.
@@DerpaTure9503 He didn't kill Bonnie though. There is literally no evidence Monty did it. There's only evidence he didn't, and evidence he had nothing against Bonnie.
You're the type of man who still says they're right when they're proven wrong and that's just kinda pathetic.
Actually, how Bonnie was: he was trying out some sick bowling tricks and the bowling ball slipped and bounced off the wall in front of him and hit him in the face, it then bounced off his face and exploded into shrapnel and tore apart his chest, and Monty found his body and slipped because of all the blood, making his hair red. Because how slippery it was Monty placed down all the wet floor bots and kept it hidden because the show must go on.
DAMN best theory I've ever heard even better than Markiplier's
@@askerror1987 way better
lubricant, not blood.
Otherwise, great theory!
Also it’s worth noting that Monty didn’t have claws until after they had him replace Bonnie. They also noted in the game’s emails and stuff that the claws marked a direct increase of aggression in Monty. Now was this him being mean, or was it actually trauma related? Because all the promo artwork shows Monty as being chill and laidback, and it would be rather weird for them to purposefully false advertise, unless it used to not be false. Maybe Bonnie’s decommission was actually the source of all of Monty’s frustration and anger issues.
Also edit I love him so much
THANK GOD SOMEONE SAID IT, the discrepancy in the "Monty is the killer" narrative paired with the claws timeline has bugged me since I noticed the damage on Bonnie's chest, but I never managed to come up with a satisfying chain of events myself. This was a really good watch! Keep up the good work, man!
Thanks for reminding me that Monty doesn’t like to go to practice, it helps my theory. I also originally thought that Vanny controlled Monty to do it, but with the claws in play I have a sad realization. Freddy might not like going into Bonnie Bowl because he was taken over there and forced to kill his friend. Also, it’s worth noting that there’s Monty Golf carpet underneath Bonnie’s body. I know for a fact that none of the robots have the dexterity to cut out and replace the carpet on their own so it HAD to be staff. It would explain the bowling ball being used too, because Bonnie likely woke up in the back of his room after being dragged there. If it were an animatronic doing the damage, they wouldn’t have needed to use one at all.
You know, the idea that Freddy may have been hijacked and made to do it explains two things so well: HELPI can also get hijacked easily (and there's hints that HELPI and Freddy are the same character, like the Glamrock Freddy ice cream in the panicked hallucination ending), if HELPI is basically a remote terminal for Freddy's AI getting pulled in a tug-o-war with whatever set everything up for the Mimic to lure Cassie in...
And secondly, Freddy just randomly failing and switching into safe mode and needing a reboot: a compromised system (such as one that's been hacked and backdoored...) is going to be inherently less stable, specifically because most hacking is relatively crude, and rebooting into safe mode (with only the most critical core components) is a good way to shut down hacking attempts.
(If anyone wants to factor in prototypes and vulnerabilities, btw: a prototype would also have some security flaws because it's often using a non-final version of the software, but also physical prototypes are made to be much more physically resilient and durable than the retail versions; so Freddy being retconed as a prototype would mean he has security issues AND is capable of overpowering the other non-prototype animatronics just because he'd be much harder to shatter.)
This theory soothes my brain, thank you
I think that only proves that it's more likely a no-clawed monster did it. While disconnecting the limbs is easy enough, none of them had the penetrating force to access the chest cavity. No, I don't think they're claw marks, I think they're tear marks. The bowling ball was used simply to provide enough grip for the chest cavity to be torn open by denting the casing.
@@neoqwerty I think Freddy being a prototype is why he booted directly into safe mode, and why he's so resistant security wise. When you're introducing a new product to a system, it's smart to do a soft boot, only allowing certain things to be network accessible, and adding the rest as time goes on, kind of like a router, only certain ports are open, but you have to manually open more ports later.
I was going to suggest the staff bots. Here’s why. So going down either of the Vanny endings gets the mostly same results. Vanny orders the staff bots to disassemble Freddy and they do so. Now you could argue that they couldn’t have done it because the damage isn’t as severe as Freddy’s were however I still think it’s a possibility.
Definitely a possibility if you want to go that route. There's honestly a variety of ways Bonnie could have ended up disappearing if you're in the mood for getting a little creative
@@askerror1987 Yep that is true. Plot twist it was me the whole time. I jumped into the FNAF universe and took out Bonnie. Then I came back to the real world without anyone noticing! Muahahaha
@@Lugiamasterbrony Holy shit YOU framed Monty :0000000
@@askerror1987 Yes I did. And it was so easy to do. >:)
Freddy was given the disassemble treatment. For Bonnie, they can just be given an attack command of a lesser caliber, leaving less damage.
Monty walking the Catwalk makes it sound like he couldve been upset over what happened and trying to find out what happened.
Too human maybe? but Roxy and Freddy make it apparent that wouldnt be impossible.
The way he went out in Ruin genuinely made me upset for a little bit because unlike the earlier games when animatronics were LITERALLY posessed by kids, the Glamrocks genuinely feel like living, sentient creatures. It felt like I was watching an actual person (character) die
Honestly I’m so happy that people don’t think Monty killed Bonnie. Marks theory during his gameplay was actually really good and seemed correct. I mean, I don’t think Monty would kill the person he was inspired by?
He DID kill Bonnie 💀 I don't understand why you guys are fighting it it's genuinely so devastating to me the longer I stay In this comment section the more I HATE Monty and I LOVED Monty. But him killing Bonnie is a huge part of his character and part of why I love him. He's the FIRST animatronic to show aggression towards another animatronic and you guys are taking that away from him.
@@CinnamonCaramelStick it's highly contradictory and baseless. no one is taking anything away from him
@@CinnamonCaramelStick if anything Monty sounds like a red herring, when has Scott or Steel Wool ever been this direct with us?
@@CinnamonCaramelStickif some people theorizing that Monty might not have killed Bonnie, based on context clues from the games and books, is enough to make you hate him then I'm sorry but you probably didn't like him that much in the first place. We aren't taking anything away by digging for other answers in a franchise known for not being direct about pretty much anything. Just bc your initial understanding of a character might have been wrong doesn't mean we ruined him
@@CinnamonCaramelStick its apart of the fandom to go through any theory possible, even if they're seen as ridiculous to people. It's the same as fnaf 4 dream theory, people didn't like it but it was heavily talked about because digging into the games and coming up with theories is exactly what fnaf is about, because NOTHING is confirmed in the whole series.
Come to think of it... What if this situation is even WORSE? Freddy tells Vannesa that his voice is the default voice for a Faz-Watch, his voice is very prominent, one could have landed on the garbage for the Mimic to find and learn. If what Monty's ride WAS telling the truth, he does admire Bonnie a lot. So picture this: one night, Bonnie gets lured out of his room by Freddy's voice, which Monty hears but doesn't do anything about. Bonnie gets attacked by the Mimic. Bonnie slooooowly heads to the East arcade to call for the help of the DJ's security protocol, but the Mimic attacks him again and drags him to Monty golf. The Mimic know the building's layout and knows to take Bonnie from the catwalk to Roxy Raceway to Bonnie Bowl without being seen and hides the body, maybe takes something from him to upgrade itself. Next day, Monty realizes Bonnie is gone, probably finds traces of him at the catwalk and he gets hugely mad because he heard Freddy's voice that night, so called "best friend" of him probably just wanted the spotlight, but there's no way he did it. So Monty doesn't want to be part of the show with Freddy, he'd rather go to the catwalk and search for days which way the killer went with Bonnie's body.
Ever since the game came out, I've fiercely defended against the "Monty is the killer" theory. The DLC's release also makes me more confident that I'm right about it, and I'm glad to see I'm not alone. We have more evidence AGAINST the theory that he's the killer than we do FOR it!
Same. I'm dying on that hill. I'm dying on that MOUNTAIN.
@@SuperMonaLisaBros SAME
@@1983SpringBonnie I know it's not just me thinking with my lady-parts.
@@SuperMonaLisaBros HEHEJZKDJD
might be jus a lil 🤭
@@SuperMonaLisaBrosmaybe a lil just a lil
Here’s one of my biggest points against Monty being the killer, he was last seen entering Monty Golf but his body is in Bonnie Bowl behind one of the lanes. Not only that but that’s clearly his murder scene with the broken bowling ball next to his head being the clear murder weapon. Actually, if the weapon was the bowling ball then the tearing of his stomach would be a mute point and just done to frame him or maybe try to harvest a certain part in his chest.
Yeah, actually - was *Bonnie* seen entering Monty Golf or was it the Mimic acting like Bonnie? He has a thing for dressing up as rabbits specifically.
There is potential he was trying to replace Bonnie but security caught on and replaced Bonnie with Monty even though Monty wasn’t interested in performing on stage.
Not saying Monty was the cause
However
Under Bonnies corpse, you can see hes on a piece of a rug, and said rug is the same rug that is only found in Monty Golf
He couldve been broken there (Not by monty, just part of him being framed probably) and the workers or whoever hid him cut into the rug to drag him away in one piece
@@RestInReeses or he slashed him, move him with the rag to the bowling alley, and finish the job on the place, Or just out of spite, hes smashed his head just out of anger.
*moot point
The idea that Monty used the rug to drag him to Bonnie Bowl (how did he do it without losing any of Bonnies parts lol, the guys arms were clearly cleanly dismembered) is pretty interesting. But what would you make of the dent in the wall where Bonnie's corpse is? Did he wake and stand up and Monty bashed his head in? How does the bowling ball play into this? Why would Monty have had a bowling ball? Why would Bonnie have brought one?
Again, all the arguments are pretty interesting. While I personally think that Steel Wool was trying to leave the case up for interpretation to an extent and just did it badly/well(?) enough that now 2 sides are in near-constant argument about it (though this comment section has been very nice about it so far, which is nice to see), the arguments brought up are very interesting and usually pretty well thought out.
I love how I’m starting to see multiple people jump on the fact to solve Bonnie’s murder in their own way, nice work
You're missing a few key points but you're definitely on to something. First, the left side of Bonnie's head is smashed in and his right cheek shows impact damage as well as whisker breaking that ends at the point of the impact damage. The right side of his mouth also shows it. His right ear is fully broken off. That means the first strike was almost certainly with the bowling ball, knocking his head into a wall.
But it gets more interesting! Did you notice the drag marks on the floor in front of the bowling ball rack? They lead right to the Drop Cloth Bonnie's been laid out on. Yeah, that's a drop cloth he's been dragged to and laid out on. Where we find him is probably not the scene of the murder, but close to it and the presence of the cloth indicates a degree of premeditation.
But why?
Well, look at the gash in his chest. Being swiped by claws should cause it to buckle inward. But it's not, it's bowing outward like something either exploded out of him or was pulled out of him possibly by a metal hand or a crowbar. But there's nothing in the hole. It looks like something was torn out of him. Looking around him, it looks like a few things were taken out of him. There is oil all over that drop cloth and parts consistent with hydraulics and Bonnie bits all around him. And you know what else is green? Polyurea grease. A grease commonly used in automotives. And it's just the right shade of green too. And then there's green hydraulic fluid, also the same shade. Neither match Monty at all. We also see two greasy non-clawed fingerprints on his chassis.
Bonnie wasn't just murdered, he was systematically taken apart by someone who took their time doing it and then they ripped a hole in him and took out whatever was in his chest. So, it honestly could have been Vanny, I imagine she can swing a bowling ball and it doesn't take as much force as you would think to shatter one, especially against the cranium of a machine. Plus, she's weaker and would have to drag him to the drop cloth.
Not saying it's not the Mimic, just that I think Vanny may have been discounted too early. Not sure the Mimic was a drop cloth guy. And you know, the purple bowling ball may have a deeper meaning...
I enjoy this explanation, and raise you this: Monty was forced to do it, which is why he's so angry all the time. The catwalks is a major ease of access area for all parties involved. I believe that Vanessa waited until the two were hanging out on catwalks, which is why monty stays on catwalks, that's the last place he saw bonnie before a memory wipe of the resulting events, which is why Bonnie's plush is found in Gator Golf near the catwalks. Vanessa then led them to Bonnie Bowl via maintenance, where the death happened, and why Monty's plush is there. Any cameras were wiped, of course. Vanessa had monty rip him limb from limb after the bowling ball bash so he couldn't fight back, she then had his chest cavity torn open by monty, even with no claws, I'm sure a bowling ball blow you provide good enough handles to rip. Vanessa then took what I would assume to be Bonnie's unique piece (Such as the claws, voicebox, or eyes). As for the reason? I guess we don't know. Is this all speculation? yes, but a fun little story you can fill in
Something was ripped out of Bonnie's chest? Well, there are only three things we know of that the Glamrock animatronics store in their chests. Large cakes, oversized pinatas, and children. It sounds to me like Bonnie was trying to protect a child and his attacker physically ripped them out of his chassis. That raises the implications when it comes to motive. Vanny would certainly have motive, but her ability to take down an animatronic is questionable, UNLESS they are unable to see her when she's wearing the mask, which would allow her to be able to surprise Bonnie.
@@witherwolf3316 Only freddy has a chest hatch afaik, so no child could have gotten in
From the recent theory I've found, Vanny might took Bonnie's unique piece for William/Burntrap.
Because she's trying to get him back right?
I always felt bad for monty, easily my favorite security breach character.
Same.
Giga Monty is the superior Monty, only knows one thing and that's kill
I feel like Monty had a Freddy like relationship with Bonnie and that’s why he’s so aggressive, he’s going through grief.
Monty killed my wife. Plus he dosen’t do his taxes.
@@St4r.-. I do too
Always liked monty. An Alligator with sunglasses and a killer mohawk was always appealing to me. But i was surprised when SB came out that so many people disliked him not bc he was difficult to counter, not bc his AI, not even bc a good reason that someone may dislike him but bc it was hinted at that he may have done something to another robot that at the time didn't even have an offcial design. Hopefully people will calm down with the hate towards monty
@@Bumblebee2361Dude as a og fan who's been here for all of it I care about Bonnie but I just like Monty more. Doesn't mean they're a new fan just means they have different tastes. Also Bonnie wasn't all that special for most of the games. Except for the first and maybe pizzeria sim and custom night. He's a cool character of course but people can also not care as much about him as you.
@@Bumblebee2361bro people can have favorite animatronics that arent the ogs 💀
@Chill-Bee hell nah. Been a fan since 2016. Bonnie has never been my favorite but I do care about him. Just think monty is cooler. That's all it is. We are all entitled to like the characters we like
Okay. Sorry.
@Chill-Bee it's alright man.
On one hand, seeing how much of a MESS Security Breach's story was, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Steel Wool just straight up didn't realize the continuity errors in the messages about Monty and Bonnie's murder. On the other hand, I'm a huge Monty fan, and I really don't want him to be the one who murdered Bonnie. That being said, thank you for providing us Monty stans the evidence we need to prove everyone else wrong (even if I think they're technically right).
Some things to add to the discussion, originally Vanny’s disassemble Freddy button was meant to work on his band mates. While this is a scraped concept, steel wool proved they’re willing to reuse scraped ideas with Shattered Freddy vs prototype Freddy. Vanny could have ordered Monty to disassemble Bonnie.
Why? Because behind Bonnie’s stage is vent that leads directly to Vanny’s room above Fazerblast-and most importantly- the third princess quest minigame. Glitchtrap’s one major weakness is in Bonnie’s room. We know from the messages that some employees were trying to “free the princess,” and were looking for the third game. If Bonnie was in the arcade for hours, is it possible he was looking for the second princess quest minigame? The first is in Roxy’s salon, so it’s very plausible Bonnie knew about that one. Roxy might have even told him. The second quest game is in the back of the East arcade. If he was playing the second quest game, it would explain why he was there for hours. if Bonnie had the third game in his room, Vanny would likely be freaking out. She has every reason to get rid of him. Even if that’s not what Bonnie was doing, Vanny likely wouldn’t take any chances. Glitchtrap needs those princess quest games on lock down, so that’s what Vanny did. She took possession of the third game.
Some other Vanny evidence includes a mask that keeps animatronics from seeing you (making it possible for her to push Bonnie off the catwalks or bash his head with a bowling ball). The faulty Last seen report that lies about where Bonnie died (someone with high clearance would be needed to cover this is). The fact that if Gregory could cause shattered damage as a tiny child, Vanny would be capable of shattering Bonnie. She’d also have the means and intelligence to cover up the crime.
I have to agree with you. While playing security breach and picking up the message bags, things didn't add up either. Why would Monty not show up for the performances if he wanted the spotlight so much that he would kill for it. OR he meant to kill Freddy, but Bonnie got there instead? In Montygolf, there is the one hole where we see Freddy in the Dumpster, and in Ruin, we see that Bonnie and Freddy had a very special relationship-even the opposite ear piercings! If Monty was involved in some sort of crime, I would guess it would have been aimed at Freddy, not Bonnie...But there were so many holes, I couldn't see that it was Monty. His behavior didn't make sense.
Actually thats quite a solid theory, and if you're actually right about the claws upgrade, then it is pretty much Mimic who did it. He fit perfectly and has an excuse of being rather programmed to disassemble everything it saw than having any emotions and stuff.
Though it's funny how even the game sometimes just pushed you into htinking Monty was the one to end this fella
The more I read into this, the more it looks like Bonnie actually did care about Monty, and even stepped off the stage willingly because he knew the shady past his character had. He'd encouraged Monty to take the role, and became the bowling attendant, much like sun was the daycare attendant.
When Bonnie disappeared, Monty took it really hard. He hated that management wanted him to replace his friend. He hated that they took this an excuse to call it a loss, that they didn't even try to look for Bonnie. He hated that Fazbear entertainment disregarded the person he cared about. He was proud to be the bassist because Bonnie MADE him the bassist. But he owed everything to Bonnie, and Fazbear entertainment ripped it all away from him.
I'll make it worse for you. He actively lashed out, breaking stage props and refusing to show up for shows because he was in active protest against losing his friend. And if Fazbear entertainment had gone looking for him, and done even basic repairs.. if they brought his friend back, Monty would've calmed down. His entire character arc is a robot in grief lashing out at the world for taking it's only solace.
Bonnie goes to Rockstar row. Likely talks to Monty, or is cleaning the place out. Goes to Monty golf, where he lets Monty know that he wants him to take over as a member of the band/has the room all ready. Then he returns to the bowling alley.
Why the wet floor signs? Maybe it was management discovering what happened. Maybe it was the virus/mimic's influence, obfuscating the truth. All that we do know is that *someone* found him, and left him there. Perhaps, even, the wet floor signs were used to prevent Bonnie from rebooting into (or out of?) safe mode, keeping him locked there. Freed only when Cassie shut them down.
"Some of you don't know what I'm talking about, and that makes me feel old. Time is the true horror of this franchise." 😂😂😂 that sent me, because me too bestie 😭
My favorite part of the video tbh
While I don't think Monty CHOSE to take out Bonnie of his own accord, the evidence Steel Wool has been leaving for us to find still implies that he had some involvement, even if that involvement may have been under Vanny's control or something similar. (I can't imagine that Gregory's adventure at the Pizzaplex was the first time the animatronics were under her control, especially with how many children have already gone missing in that newspaper during the ending where Gregory escapes and sleeps in the alley.) The injury on Bonnie's chest was made by something with three fingers/claws, not four, which eliminates the Mimic and the Daycare Attendant (as well as the Staff Bots) fairly quickly and leans towards one of the core animatronics. Details are sprinkled throughout the first game to lead us in the direction of Monty, most of which you've already mentioned here - Bonnie being last seen in Monty Golf, Monty's penchant for aggression (both before and after his upgrade, though WITH the upgrade he can obviously do far more damage) - and while I agree that Monty not getting his claw upgrade until after Bonnie was gone is a hell of a wrinkle, I'm more inclined to believe that as being a mistake on Steel Wool's part rather than proof that he didn't do it.
(Goodness knows it wouldn't be the only inconsistency in the game, for as much as I love it to pieces lol.)
I'm also more inclined to believe that Steel Wool was trying to nudge us in Monty's direction with the added details we see at the Bonnie crime scene. Like you said, there was green paint lining his main injury, and while on a physical/real world level something like that would absolutely have caused Monty as much paint damage as Bonnie, I also know that Steel Wool is a big fan of environmental storytelling. They like to create details in the world around the player to tell them more about what's been going on, whether that's in messages we pick up, item descriptions, or metal footprints denting in doors in certain areas in Ruin. (Or like how Chica is covered in a yellow-green gooey substance, and with a little thought process we can assume it's cheese because she's prone to eating trash and pizza and her mechanisms (and time) would have caused it to melt and mold.) Leaving a tinge of green on the claw marks on Bonnie is a very pointed design choice that only adds to the evidence against poor Monty...and the rectangle of carpet Bonnie is lying on in that back room is one more, and equally damning.
When we find him, Bonnie is lying on his back on top of a blue-gray carpet patterned with confetti, in small specks and small spirals. That specific carpet is only seen in two areas of the Security Breach building that I've been able to find: the Fazcade/Music Man area (which isn't really relevant to us here), and Monty Golf. It's a specific and pointed choice that I wouldn't have even noticed if I hadn't seen a comment mentioning it below this video. It's almost like someone used it to drag him to the back room of Bonnie Bowl so nobody would figure out where he was, or where he'd been. (And really, very few of the animatronics would've been strong enough to do that, so - again - it had to be one of the core four.)
We do know Monty looked up to Bonnie. We know he idolized him, or at least was a fan, if the story Fazbear Ent. is telling is true. (Which I like to believe it is.) And it only makes sense that, when Bonnie went missing, Monty of COURSE would have been upset by that and would've felt guilty for taking his role in the Glamrock band when that wasn't what he wanted at all. (Insert Monty memo about him avoiding shows and hiding in the catwalks here.) I imagine that feeling would've only been worse if it turned out someone had made him get rid of his favorite band member himself, wouldn't it? :(
(As for the Mimic, there's also the dialogue from Gregory about the Mimic saying "I really don't know what it is, but it's been trapped down here a really long time" implying that it wasn't able to get out prior to Gregory finding it. Whether he (and whoever else was with him) had to create M.X.E.S. because the "earthquake" managed to free the Mimic during the aftermath of Security Breach, or whether it was already trapped down there and Gregory just stumbled across it (which is a little less likely but still possible), it still points to the Mimic having been trapped and unable to leave for years before Gregory found it and before Bonnie even disappeared. I'm also not sure if the Mimic was even an in-game concept yet when Security Breach was originally in the making, so laying out the groundwork for THAT to be Bonnie's killer so early on seems more than a little unlikely...but I could be wrong at least on this point, and the Mimic could've already been a future plan. Who's to say?)
This isn't me wanting to paint Monty as a villain, I promise! I love him to bits, and his angry puppy dog vibes gave me so much joy during Ruin lol. But I feel like the evidence we've been given by Steel Wool points us in a specific direction, and since the way they approach their secret reveals differs slightly from how Scott has done so in the past, I'm inclined to believe the story they're trying to tell us here. You're not wrong, Monty WILLFULLY attacking Bonnie is unlikely. But unwillingly? Controlled by Vanny the way she controlled him during Security Breach? That's something I'd believe.
Only thing is, the Mimic unalives by ripping off the arms and head of its victims. The only times it doesn’t are when it gets Kelly in the epilogues (which is debatable because their both i side a mascot costume when it happens so we can’t see what happened) and when it catches Cassie during the chase scene. Not to say it couldn’t have taken out Glamrock Bonnie differently but it doesn’t fit his style from what we know about him.
Actually if you look at Bonnie carefully, one if his legs and part of his arm are disconnected from his body
While you are completely right, Bonnie's limbs are completely disconnected from his endo, which does match with Mimic's little stint as Tiger Rock. I wish I had pointed that out in the video but you can definitely see that he's been disassembled, even though most of the attention is given to the hole in his chest.
Remember, the books ONLY give us hints of the lore, and not exact bits. The Mimic we see in the books are going to be different than the one in the games. It's pretty simple. But the Mimic totally did it. The arms and legs of him are literally torn off. All of them!
Considering it’s the first time it had to murder an animatronic, the Mimic most likely learned going for the limbs doesn’t kill an animatronic, the chest does. The only other time he does this (and this one is a theory of mine of what goes down after SB and before Ruin) is against Glamrock Freddy after he gains a new body from an old prototype, his body was beheaded (which fits Mimic’s MO) and his chest was torn up.
This theory makes sense. I mean, the more I thought about in baseline SB the more I couldn't help but feel it was too easy to pin the blame on Monty.
I love the production here, it’s great! And GIRL YOU DID MONTY SOME JUSTICE!
Not a girl but thank you!!! His good name is being TARNISHED :[
@@askerror1987 OMG I AM SO SORRY- BUT TRUE, WE CANT LET THIS HAPPEN, I am gonna spread this word
@@TheodoreNoises Not your fault, but I really appreciate it! Glad you liked the video!
I want to mention the Green on Bonnies chest might be mold growing on him or paint deteroating, we don't know how long he was down there but it could have been a very long time and surrounded by a pool of blood, in the dark damp ruins
YESSS!! THANK YOU!!! finally someone who stands up for monty! He is my favorite character and it always made me sad when people just assumed he killed Bonnie. Even if it all pointed to him. I only really gravitated to monty being my favorite because of how many people disliked him. It was a joke at first but then I realized just how cool his character really was. And looking at ruin, makes me glad I didn’t fall down the “he killed bonnie” thing. Nothing yet has been announced on the true story of Bonnie, but I’m gonna stand up and defend my boy Monty till the day I die. He’s just a lil confused swamp puppy who got all this hate. And what makes it more sad is that people praised Roxy. And she was new as well. I think month truely has potential and I feel like a lot of it was waisted.
Also I thought of something. You are absolutely right about the Mimic being a prime candidate for murdering Bonnie because it can go back to one simple factor; his design. The Mimic is an endoskeleton and Endoskeletons wear the suits. What if Monty was framed for Killing Bonnie but it was the mimic using spare parts for Monty as a sort of suit similar to how William Afton wore the Springtrap Suit! It lines up with the notice message of Monty needing repairs for his claws. What if they took so long to repair becasue the mimic took the spare Monty claws to use against Bonnie?
An interesting observation in Ruin: it looks like Bonnie was already being slowly retired before he was attacked.
He has a small, dingy dressing room and a small stage in Bonnie Bowling intead of the larger meet and greet rooms the other animotronics have.
It paints a picture that Bonnie retired and took on bowling while Monty was his successor.
In universe though, Fazbear Entertainment probably just wanted something new to keep customers engaged like what theme parks do from time to time.
That explains Monty's anger issues, he's angry that he couldn't help Bonnie when he needed him
I was so annoyed by that Monty kill Bonnie theory. I didn't believe it either. But now that you mentioned the truth about Glamrock Bonnie's death, meaning the Mimic did it, that is huge. Thank you for bringing the truth of Glamrock Bonnie's death. Because in my opinion, Monty would never do such a thing like that to Bonnie. Plus Monty's my favorite Glamrock animatronic.
Well now I feel bad for Monty. I thought all the bad things that were happening to him was just karma for killing Bonnie.
The Mimic killing him I didn’t even consider but since they did decided to put this Bonnie secret and Mimic’s debut together in the same game makes more sense.
Also helps confirm another theory I have that after SB, Glamrock Freddy got a new body from an old prototype but eventually got attacked by the Mimic as well. Since his prototype body got beheaded (the Mimic’s usual MO) and torn up at the chest (similar Bonnie). Putting together it learned how to kill animatronics after Bonnie, and that going for the limbs doesn’t kill them, going for their chest and head does.
I discovered a lot about Glamrock Bonnie's crime scene: The rusted pieces around him are from Nightmare Staff bots. The overlapping linear gouges in the wood are from the four spikes Staff bots have on their bases. A horde of them approached Glamrock Bonnie from both sides and attacked him the same way they attacked Glamrock Freddy.
I love it when people go through all the time and effort to debunk myths like this with the most logical solution, not short of all the possible clues. Blows my mind
Monty clearly did not care enough to show up to his own shows. 😂😂
What a diva hahaha
Omg THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE! this was far better than i thought it was going to be! 10/10
I'm glad that you gave it a chance!
@@askerror1987 it's fun hearing others theories 😃👍
1:13 😢😊
I’m 90% sure that when Steelwool made Security Breach they intended Monty to have destroyed Glamrock Bonnie because Burntrap had possessed him like he does to Freddy during the boss fight. (Motivation for a crime literally doesn’t matter once possession is involved, the Monty Mischief message is all most certain just game mechanics related with maybe a hint of ‘Monty’s acting weird’ thrown in for flavour.)
I think they tried to retcon it for Ruin and brought in the mimic instead when audiences hated Burntrap. I genuinely don’t think the mimic was ever really the plan. It’s not the first time FNAF’s been retconned and it won’t be the last either.
It was for the better in my opinion. Let Afton rest in displeasure.
@@strangevol5264 bringing back Afton was pretty much the single worst decision they made when it came to developing SB. If they hadn’t bothered with that entire PS area they could have used the time to make sure the game was much closer to playable at launch and have focused on Vanny as an antagonist. In all honesty, I’m not all that keen on Mimic either but they were backed into a corner with their previous choices on that one.
I think the likely scenario was that Scott proposed a multitude of endings so they had an easier transition away from scott when he quit around now, and the devs probably made up their mind on going the burntrap route in favor of switching to the princess quest route, effectively retconning that ending, although I wouldn't be surprised if Gregory did find burntrap's body down there after sb
Not to mention why would he peruse the catwalks of the place he murdered someone? That would be *really* suspicious, if of course Bonnie's body could be find nearby (I don't really know where in Ruin it is, I was half-paying attention watching Markiplier play it 😅). Or, why would he remind himself of it, *unless* he was mourning Bonnie rather than relishing in his pride at accomplishing something like that?
Exactlyyy
Got really hyped up at the "I rest my case" part lol, so glad to see my boy Monty finally getting a chance to plead his case, I felt like I was the only one that thought that maybe he was just framed, Thanks for making this video
I was so excited to record that line lolll
I don't think Monty did it either. A lot of the points you mention line up for his innocence but also, in Ruin that stack of Monty merch at the legs of where his statue was have two very important additions. 1) The Bass he inherited from Bonnie is lovingly placed there. He breaks ton's of furniture in his green room so why keep the bass safe? 2)Monty's own legs are placed on top of the pile on the head of a Monty ride car, they look like rabbit ears. I think Monty genuinely idolized Bonnie and couldn't get any actual merch to make a tribute to him so he did the next best thing.
Also, it's possible the security logs of Bonnie's activities before going missing are just lies Vanny / Glitchtrap had Vanessa write. Bonnie "died" in the bowling alley. If he was hurt why not retreat to parts and service? Also, there's a tarp under his body for some reason. I think Vanny had an animatronic destroy Bonnie so she could take some of his parts for Burntrap. It's possible that the animatronic IS the mimic, but idk.
Also, we don't know what anyone besides our lovely Freddy has a safe mode, which prevents hacking. Seems odd to try to prevent something if it hasn't been a problem for Freddy before...
He's such a Bonnie fanboy awwwwwe 🥺
You guys are bringing up such great points holy shit. Maybe I need to make a follow-up video
Only problem I've got with this you mention taking parts off bonnie for burntrap but two things make this not plausible in my mind when we see bonnie he's not missing any links they are torn off but still there and the burntrap ending might not be Canon
@@Anarchie4335Mabye Vanny never got to finish it before Princess quest ending? She was working on it but in this version she had to protect number 3 or else she o would turn back and therefore couldn’t get to the sinkhole in time before Freddy and Gregory arrived
@@Anarchie4335 With Security Breach and Ruin it's REALLY hard to tell what endings are canon so I'm keeping an open mind. But if Bonnie isn't missing any parts then all I've got left for Who Dun It is speculation. If he wasn't killed for utility he was killed for something personal with how beat up he was. Maybe Bonnie could sense the Vanni network like Roxy but with his ears? Vanny OR the Mimic could be responsible then. The Fazbear Mafia wacked him for being nosey, lol
It is also possible that Bonnie's supposed to be missing parts but Steel Wool forgot. But calling that into question starts an extremely slippery slope of what's meant to be in the game or not. XD
@@demysol you ain't wrong about the last bit tbf and it is hard to tell which ending is Canon like if the burntrap ending is the one then why is freddy in fazerblast with no head but if the free Vanessa ending is the one then how does Gregory know about the sink hole and why is it all burnt looking in some places its all very confusing in all honesty
This is the best theory ever and is definitely relevant to the lore and I’m so glad that this was made.
Matt Pat can suck an egg on this one! You went so in-depth to prove Monty's innocence! I believe you're right in that he was framed. The culprit being Mimic fits better into the story as a warning to the main protagonist about what lies underneath the raceway.
Hearing you utter the word “MikeTrap” simultaneously filled me with nostalgia and annoyance. It was actually kinda like this theory in the sense that I believed that most others were mislead.
Then I did my job well, muahaha
I am so happy I’m not the only one that’s had this idea of Monty being a red Haerring!!! All of those notes you find in game relating to Bonnie made it so painfully obvious that I knew for a fact there was something fishy about it. Haven’t watched your full video yet but I myself believe that Monty was tampered with to be as aggressive as he is now, and it’s not out of the question that an animatronic can be tampered with, I mean look at sun/moon, and Freddy
Imagine it's revealed that it was Freddy all along, would be a crazy plot twist
Interesting. This makes MXES being in the form of an actual ghost rabbit, standing guard over the Mimic, even more poignant.
Revenge from beyond the robot grave.
Finally someone who says Monty is innocent I usually see people hate Monty because they think he killed Bonnie and finally someone that defends Monty he doesn’t deserve the hate #montyisinnoccent
The way you described the story you think happened was a great touch. I couod see the aggression the mimic had and the pain Bonnie felt
I was hoping it was a good addition, it helps people see the kind of story that I think could have happened
Personally, I got really mad when people jumped right to the conclusion of the story being a cover up. They didn’t even considering other options.
I love your theory 💚
I mean, it still is a cover up, no matter how you look at it, covers up what actually happened to him. Even if, I don't know, some random dude broke in and killed bonnie, it wouldn't change the story they made to cover
One problem; the Mimic has been trapped in the basement since before the Pizzaplex was even built. It wouldn't have ever even met Glamrock Bonnie.
He had originally been trapped in the Pizzeria Sim location, but was moved to be trapped in a singular room, before presumably Gregory and Vanessa made M.X.E.S.
Couldn't he have just done it as Tiger Rock?
@@kittydemonoverkill You do make a good point but I personally believe that he was only trapped in the PS location AFTER Vanessa and Gregery made M.X.E.S. I personally haven't seen any evidence to suggest otherwise especially since the Mimic is (at least in the books) put to work in the sinkhole for the purpose of moving things into piles (and then killing workers and putting those workers into a pile)
This is actually very informative, now I love Monty I knew he was innocent
I like to think that Monty hates crowds and being the center of attention and he was quite happy with his little golf. But when Bonnie went missing the employees pushed Monty into the roll of the bass player which was supposed to be temporary, but Monty got so popular they decided to save money and just permanently replace Bonnie w/ Monty and gave Monty his new claws after that. Monty hating the attention just starts avoiding performances and people in general, hiding away on the catwalks where only a select few people can go to, which caused the incidents of him falling from the catwalks. The stress of so much attention led him to having anger issues and being very destructive.
Bonnie’s death is like trying to figure out the attacker of the bite of 87
I never understood why people imediatelly assumed it was Monty when the base game info were already showing contradictions proving it was more complicated than it seemed on the surface. And when Ruin came and I was like "Omg finally people will stop saying it was Monty" they took it as proof it was him??
I’ve always been skeptical of accepting that Monty was the one that caused Bonnie’s disappearance. It might be my true crime brain but sometimes things aren’t always as they appear.
I totally agree! Thank you omg. I originally posted this on one of Dawko’s videos, and I’ll share it here; “I think the Mimic unalived Bonnie, not Monty. Bonnie was completely disarticulated, just like how the Mimic was programmed to take apart animatronics (and eventually humans). The Mimic also has sharp claws on its left hand and could’ve caused the claw marks.”
One issue with the mimic is that the game shows us the great lengths it takes to free them, and it would be unlikely they would’ve gone back under the pizza plex if freed
I’ve seen a theory that Bonnie might’ve fallen off the catwalks, by either accident or not, due to the similar damage shown as when Monty fell off; ie the face being caved in and the immense damage suffered to his entire body casing. It’s supported by the hidden cutout of Bonnie in a state of falling. At that point any nearby animatronics could’ve been controlled by Vanny (or it could’ve been some of the staff on cleaning duty) to clean up the scene. Fazbear entertainment is money focused enough to take the opportunity to just replace Bonny instead of repairs as we can see that he is still faintly alive until the wet floor signs at the crime scene are shut down finally letting him pass on (the faint lights finally shut off in his eyes)
I feel bad for Monty because he got absolutely obliterated.
They ruined his majestic Mohawk 😭
You know, all that green stuff on his chest reminds me of something else monty-related...
Monty's mystery mix.
Which was moved to Bonnie bowl, to keep it away from Chica...
Because it made her aggressive towards customers, employees, and other... robots...
Huh...
Huh indeed
huh huh
Loved the Ace Attorney inclusion, Really felt like a true objection from the game. Ace attorney and Fnaf are some of my favourite games. A great video and I’d love to see more.
glad you made this really need more people to stop immediately thinking he did it
Steel wool remembering montey didn't always have claws 👁️👄👁️
We gotta get Game Theory on this dude!
really good attention to detail, nice to hear that even if our lovable gator got the short end of the stick in the DLC, he's not someone who would murder his friend.
I do wanna ask a few questions:
1. Why would Monty not have claws like Freddy's and Roxy's even before the incident? They don't have to be the upgraded ones, just normal claws like I mentioned.
2. I'll be honest, I'm still confused about the part where you said Bonnie's undercoat was green. It.. doesn't exactly makes sense to me, per say? He doesn't have green on his suit otherwise.
3. I thought that Monty not going to the show is because he's fiesty and just wants to be the main guy, not because he directly wants attention. Just to be the important one. My point on this one is that he's not exactly like Roxy in that regard. Couldn't it have been something like that?
4. I know you didn't include it but I saw someone mention how Fazbear Ent. made Monty's arcade machine (in base game) show Freddy in the trash. In other words Fazbear Ent. is the one making him look bad. Which to that I have to say it would contradict with the ride AND in the past mini games have been used for lore, so they don't need to appeal to the canon surroundings, just show canon lore.
5. Where would Mimic be? He would be underground where the Blob was if anything, or even the trash area where we get Chica's voice box in the base game. But anywhere else would just be very confusing as that would imply no one noticed an Endoskeleton out in the open for a long time, which just doesn't sit right with me.
I know I went on a bit of a rant with my questions but if I or anyone else really wants to judge it fairly, I want all my facts and theories checked.
No no, very good points. I’ll see if I can tackle some of them
1) I have no idea lol and that is a good point. But that’s also where the whole “paint” thing came up, see my comment on that below
2) The reason I included it in the video was bc I saw people like Dawko taking it at face value that because there was green on his chest, that meant it had to be Monty. If I could redo one thing about the video it would be that that green is more likely to be grime or dirt because it matches closely to the coloring in the cracks on his arms and other parts of the body
3) That is one that could definitely be up to interpretation. I do see your point on that but the main thing is that if he wanted to be on the band that bad why would he start skipping performances (then again Monty isn’t very intelligent)
4) I didn’t really catch that! Part of the reason I wasn’t able to include some things is because I don’t own the game so my knowledge is limited to the footage I can watch from other people. But yes that does correlate directly with what we’ve seen where Monty does not seem to like Freddy very much. I don’t know why Management thinks it’s a good idea to egg on that rivalry though
5) I think that Mimic only got trapped in between SB and Ruin. He’d be able to navigate the Pizzaplex using spare suits, like Tiger Rock in the books’ case, or (and this is much weaker haha) he just got really good at hiding and navigating through things like the vents. I don’t think Mimic is AS likely to do that last one because he only seems intelligent to an extent
The network looks like something that Gregory set up to keep the mimic trapped after the Pizzaplex collapsed.
And Mimic seems to have been there for a long time.
People used to think that Bonny was used to build Burntrap, but now we know it isn't true.
So the newest theory I've seen is as follows: The villain of part one was the Afton virus, controlling the animatronics and making them go mad - and the mimic got pulled into it too - it was the mimic's body that served as the skeleton for Burntrap, and if we didn't stop him, the mimic would 'learn' to be a new Afton.
Perhaps it got freed by the construction crew, and killed Bonny before the virus could force it to join.
Now that Afton virus is dead (as shown by the princess quest sword stuck through an arcade game) mimic is back to its own devices - which is extreme violence it has learned from interacting with people. Gregory and Vanny seem to have locked it in the place it was initially buried in - but had to use one of the communicators to lure it in with their voices.
And now the mimic not only knows Gregory's voice,, but it has also learned from the Afton virus, enough to interface with Helpy's network, and get control of a single security bot - enough to deliver the mask to Cassie.
(Did you notice that the bot who delivers the mask looks like it has rabbit ears, but it's actually its head casing flayed upwards?)
If it was the normal claws, then most of the Glamrock animatronics could've been responsible for what happened to Bonnie.
@@twinodoom Still aims more at monty than any of the other
I mean I'm a bit sceptical on this but... my theory was that monty and bonnie were on the cat walks, chillin', talking idk. But bonnie says generally something to anger monty and out of rage he thinks before he acts aaaand pushes bonnie of leaving a bit of a scratch and paint from the ground. Monty got scared and went to check on bonnie. His torso was severed from his legs as you you can see on his model. Monty being scared people would think it was him that killed bonnie, grabbed him and put him on the ground against the wall. Then he grabbed a bowling ball and broke it into pieces. He put the broken bowling ball to his head and punched the wall so it looked like an accident.
i swear if markiplier guesses the lore again 🤣
So, here me out. Why bonnie is covered in green is still a mystery, but in that same bowling alley you can find a certain green liquid someone would kill for: monty's mystery mix. Chica would doubtlessly attack an animatronic covered in this and being that in the game you can get it right next to bonnie makes me think it is a hint. What I think happened is someone wanted to get rid of bonnie (don't know who), covered him in monty goo and chica dismanteled him. After that, they used the bowling ball to finish the job.
I really thought that was were the theory was going since you left her out of the court but you mentioned how a file says she is extremely atracted to monty goo (forshadowing).
Man I REALLY should have left the bit in my script where I jokingly said it was actually Chica who killed Bonnie because of the Monty Mix. You're like the fifth person who's commented on it
Seeing this video and watching the start, I thought to myself "this case probably belongs in the Ace Attorney universe" it just has that vibe
And then I got hit with the Objection from Godot and lo and behold, Ace Attorney finds a way to worm itself into yet another video that is presented as having nothing to do with it yet it fits perfectly 😂
It was just too good of a concept to ignore! :>
Just going to mention this here so I don’t forget it later.
Something I’ve always found really odd about Bonnie Bowl’s Flipside is the giant Roxy bowling ball that is smashed through the middle of the bowling lanes.
It’s the gator
Reason 1: in security breach we know how strong Monty is so heavy objects in the room can easily be lifted by him
Reason 2: Monty is the only one with the most green paint on him even if he didn’t have claws at the time
Reason 3: Monty is proven to have a lot of jealousy against all the animatronics since all he wants is spotlight
Reason 4: monty probably hid the evidence where there wouldn’t be cameras so he couldn’t gain suspicion
I feel like it was originally intended for Monty to be the killer, but was left vague enough to be retconned as the mimic in Ruin
Around 6:10
Right! It urks me so much everyone's like oh it's green therefore Monty
But I'm over here like his nails aren't even green, no missing paint AND HIS GLOVES ARE PURPLE not green 😭
There would be purple there too if it were Monty.
Bless you for fighting for montys innocence 🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mimic killing Bonnie and framing Monty actually fits the story really well!
What a good open-minded theory. "Monty killed Bonnie" is very basic, and after seeing the evidence, I think it's just a red herring
Like come on, who doesn't love a good red herring?
Congrats on the well received video 💚
I do almost morbidly believe that Freddy did it, just because I don't believe that the mimic was roaming around freely during that time. Not that mimic. Just Mimic 2 in the form of the blob and burntrap (the blob slithering around and burntrap being split from it, remerged in ruin)
I believe the mimic we find is truly ancient and hasn't roamed free since before security breach. Gregory says he was trapped there a "very long time" in the elevator
With Grimic out of the picture, roxy, chica and eclipse exonerated for inconspicuousness, monty and vanny being excused for lack of motive and method, Freddy seems to me the only remaining animatronic (besides all the nameless endos) that would be capable of doing this. But why? What's the motive?
Hypothesis: Freddy's self-discovery
Freddy might've been the one most susceptible to mimics manipulation DUE to being a prototype, a less hardened version, and a version prone to errors even during showtime (leading to the start of security breach and freddy booting into safe mode). Freddy might've caught the mimics attention while he was used to dig and the mimic might've been able to corrupt him there. In fact his interactions with the mimic may have taught him about his own mimic 2 programming as part of the endo series. Maybe, just for once, freddy wasn't talking about possession when he said "I know this place. I have been here before. She brought me here. I found myself for the first time when I cleared the path. I did not want to, but I had no choice. Now, I have a choice. I have changed. My friends are here. They are so angry...confused... but I can protect you. I AM NOT ME."
Reading the "I did not want to but I had no choice" line might imply that mimic 2 instances are in part designed to oppose the mimic, or at the very least not aid it. Does roxy attack the mimic because it sounds like gregory, because it poses a threat to cassie or because her programming are leading her to attack it?
All of this would imply that the common Mimic 2 instance is capable of becoming a fully rounded person whereas perhaps the Mimic 1 does not. Maybe it's too rudimentary, too lacking of compassion, too ruined by being stuck half a century 3 bunkers down.
The only thing that gives this credibility is the emergency exit ending, where Freddy's eyes are discolored to yellow (the thing we collectively decided to be an error by steel wool), with Freddy suddenly deciding he wants to burn it all down. Maybe Vanny working with the blob made her invisible for the mimic for a long while until Freddy was fitted out with the new eyes and until Freddy stuck around long enough to be fully under the mimics control again.
This isn't to say that the mimic had an easy time controlling anything outside it's room, but clearly it managed to have some range of influence, being able to modify the mask, corrupt it and mapbot, somehow ending up with a glamroc arm, etc.
So yeah, I think Freddy did it, but he had no choice, the mimic was learning how to control him and not doing a good job with it. Freddy doesn't actively recall it
Vanny could've altered the cams and given a false report. Bonnie's room is connected to vannys. He could have seen something he wasn't supposed to and the mimic got him in his room.
I honestly wish that I'd brought up that point during Vanny's bit in the suspect lineup, you're completely right
the music truly sells you as monty's defense attorney
YES!! THANK YOU!!! I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE RELEASE!!! I LOVE MONTY!!! Monty deserves so much better hfjdhd
damn I nearly forgot about the whole Miketrap theory also this theory is pretty good
Seriously this theory holds a lot of weight. I’m hoping it gets more attention.
Now my question is what’s the cause of Monty’s erratic behaviour and aggression after taking over bassist. Even before ruin he seems more animalistic than the others, so I wonder what could’ve caused the shift. Could the claw upgrades have been imbued with remnant in some way? Or was it somehow purely the result of jealousy for Freddy.
BROO i love this theory, it makes sense and its actually well put together with evidence that i haven't even thought of. nice job dude!
Maybe bonnie got to close to the case of the missing people of the pizza plex. Who souls are perhaps sealed in the wet floor signs(which is why crying children can be heard around them in vanni) if that’s the case it may explain why they are seemingly powering Bonnie, cause he tried to to help them and they are returning the favor
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A VOICE CAN PUT THIS TO BED 😭 I'VE SPENT WEEKS FIGHTING THE COMMUNITY THAT HE IS INNOCENT
THANK YOU ARE AN ANGEL TAKE A SUB YOU EARNED IT
Repeating for the umpteenth time from the rooftops that he's just a little guyyy
@@askerror1987 he's da bes boy