UPDATED 2024 VIDEO SHOWING THE 12L Pack: ua-cam.com/video/zVyRBOWSvW8/v-deo.html Attach The Salomon Pole Quiver: ua-cam.com/video/5xqWGEBPH2w/v-deo.html
Love my adv skin 5, been using it for a year or so now - Tip: if your flask starts to get empty and hard to put back if you take it out, blow air into it and it makes it easier to slide it back into the vest
Interested in this specific pack and watched a bunch of reviews - your critique was the best! Keep the content coming. Training for my first marathon in 2023 and I'll be 76 when I run. Hopefully for a sub-six hour finish with the run/walk/run strategy. Thank you.
I pretty much agree with all of this, but I got the 12 because I also like to take it hiking and it holds more things. Also easier to get to things with the zipper. I was only going to get one. Running with the 12 is fine. Just pull all of the strings to make sure everything is flush against your body.
Exactly the video I was looking for. 20 mile range is what I'm aiming for in a bag, nailed it! Super impressed with your video/content quality, you should 100% have many more subs coming soon.
I personally went with the 12 because I honestly can't even tell the extra space is there if I have it cinched down and unfilled, but I use the pack for a lot of big days in the mountains that include scrambling and high altitudes and I need the extra space for food, water, and layers (and sometimes a helmet if I'm going to be in areas with a risk of rockfall). I've never regretted getting the larger size but there's days where I've maxed it out and would've been sad to only have the 5. But the great thing is that both of them are fantastic packs and everyone's use is slightly different.
There's no way I would sacrifice the versatility of the 12 for the marginal benefit of a tiny bit less of the claimed bounciness of the 5. I don't' find the 12 bounces at all, and all the extra space is super beneficial.
Great video. My next purchase will be my 3rd pack, and I wanted to make sure ingot the right one. My Nathan feels too much like luggage, and my buddy uses Salomon and has no issues with bouncing, hot spots, etc. Was thinking about Sense as well, but it sounds like this is the one. Appreciate it.
Great review, seriously the best explanation of why you would need an adv skin 5 vs 12. I was confused on what to do until I saw this. Do you think it has enough space to run commute to work? I would need to fit a pair of jeans and a polo shirt. A pair of sneakers would be nice too, but I imagine that it wouldn't fit. Ps: Did you end up running your 1 mile for your 1,000 subscribers at the end of 2023?
What a great review! Youve got a new sub from me! If you have t found out yet though, the "tightening straps" at the bottom are actually for treking pole storage/carrying.
I have both the 5 and the 12. The 12 right now, April 2023, is only $20 more than the 5. For $20, I'd get the 12 even if you don't NEED the 12 NOW. I started with the 5 and only got the 12 in anticipate of a 100M with some potential mandatory kit for bad weather. Thing is, I just use the 12 now, even for training runs. There's really no advantage IMO to the 5 over the 12 besides price, and like I say, for $20, just get the 12. As for bottles, my 12 came with the same soft bottom bottles. If they're not completely full, an easy way to get them in the pack is to blow air in to make them solid. They slide in super easy, you bite again to suck out the air so it doesn't slosh. Not sure what wider bottle you're talking about. As far as I can tell they're all 42mm and interchangeable. I did trim my long stems down a bit, and I use flip top "speed fill" on my bottles with water. I use the regular tops like you have for my bottle with water/fuel/electrolyte mix.
He is possibly talking about width of bottle opening. Over the years Salomon kept changing it due to racers complaining about difficulty of filling them up at water stations as well as difficulty cleaning them properly. I have an older version that comes with very narrow opening or he means those wide, slanted bottles that they made for woman’s versions.
I have the 5 but might get the 12 too. The 5 should be more than enough for a 50k. If you have crew at aid stations then you definitely won't need anything bigger for any event. If you don't have a crew then maybe the 12 helps you carry gear for overnight if you'll be running for 15-20hrs or more. Both are excellent
Unless your doing multi day events or something that is going to have extreme temp changes where you will need to change cloths it will def be more than enough. Best of luck
I'm not looking into distances over marathondistance so the active skin 4 is enough for me. lets be real and talk about what solomon does better than the rest, its the fit, my vest never jiggled. i dont know if its because im not from the audhd spectrum but rhythmic is so freaking annoying for me and solomon does a good job with their running/hydration vests delivering a product thats reducing bounce and noise to a minimum
I prefer the drinkbottles with the narrow opening to those with the wider opening. While the wider ones are easier to refill they tend to chafe at my chest. the narrow ones sit more comfortable.
I'm about to buy one of the 12 or 15 liters to use it for 50K-100K races and long hikes where I might sleep the night. My concern is, considering it'll be half empty during the races, do you think it'll be tight enough for the race or will it keep dangling in an annoying way? Any insight will be really helpful, and that's a nice review, keep it up.
These packs are super comfy but they do run extremely hot during hotter days. If one is to use it during hot summers, light color fabric is definitely better. I have black one and I love it but it is unbearable on hot days.
Thanks man. I found myself in the Salomon website and was really perplexed. Initially the active 4 was recommended to me.. I was curious if you (or anyone) knew the difference between the active 4 and the advanced 5. I think the number suggests the volume of space ..but otherwise what’s the difference.
I haven’t done a tank, but yes there was a little bit shirtless the one time I tried. It wasn’t awesome. If I did it again I would put some lube and it would probably be fine
@@bradfinntrainsbut hey all the single moms would love you when you help pick their kids up from the soccer game .... "ooh Brad, thanks for picking up my kid, wanna come back to my place and have dinner while watching a movie"? Picture yourself running and seeing a beautiful hiker girl, you want that extra space the 12L offers to pack a ukulele and a picnic blanket so u can serenade her while feeding the extra running gel you could carry because you had more space. Now with the 5L you'd have no choice but to just pass her while she gives you a cold stare.
Can I ask, what was your chest measurement in this video? You have the vest tightened really close in this vid. Im just wondering about a size for myself. Thanks.
Have you tried the 12 on? It’s literally the same weight with more storage options and a zip on the back to make it much easier to get stuff out on the run .
Yes I own in. And it’s “literally” 13 grams more and not the same weight, although no one can detect 13 grams on their back. I prefer the 5 becuase it’s not overkill and bulky for most of my uses. But I use the 12 for fast packing and overnight trips
I did. To be honest I went back and fourth for weeks. Then knew I had to pull the trigger. They are all great backs. I don’t think it will matter too much. But haven’t worn it. But I literally wear this for EVERY run over 10 miles
Is the zippered pocket on this newer version waterproof? I have issues of my phone getting covered in sweat and locking me out. Some packs mitigate this with a waterproof pocket, but my old (trashed) version of the Adv Skin didn’t have a waterproof pocket anywhere
As mentioned in the video. You can look up all the specs on google and get the answer in under 10 seconds www.salomon.com/sites/default/files/pdf/UserManual-ADVSKIN.pdf#17
How does the 5 fit? I'm right on the threshold between L and XL according to Salomon's website. I have a 43.5" (110cm) chest. I'm 5'11" and 200lbs (90kg). I've never worn an XL in any other garment so I'm concerned that the sizing is off and I'll end up with a lot of bouncing if I go with the XL. I'm also concerned that the L will be too small and will chafe. Do they run large or small?
I'm 5'11'' and 205 lbs. I bought the 5 in size L and it's perfect. XL would have been too big. It's definitely on the tighter side when filled with stuff
The 5 has a large pocket accessible from the top. And no nothing is going to fall out. But the 12 has another pocket with a long zipper at the back. It's easier for getting at various things without having to take them all out. You do have to take the pack off to get at it, but it has the same "from the top" pockets as the 5
Good question. I think it’s older version of 8 vs newer of 5. I love my Salomon 12 but all manufactures do not change names of newer version which drives me nuts because you basically have no way to compare unless reviewer has multiple versions and long and detailed knowledge of versions changes over the years. There are always some subtle differences which may or may not be as crucial to some. Usually it is very important to racers because it effects the weight; distribution and convenience. Currently I am on REI website and I can already see the lack of this info. I also noticed that some have soft, summer fabric and some have crinkly, water resistant fabric of the main back compartment. Other times they come with newer version of bottles and that’s where price difference.
UPDATED 2024 VIDEO SHOWING THE 12L Pack: ua-cam.com/video/zVyRBOWSvW8/v-deo.html
Attach The Salomon Pole Quiver: ua-cam.com/video/5xqWGEBPH2w/v-deo.html
Love my adv skin 5, been using it for a year or so now - Tip: if your flask starts to get empty and hard to put back if you take it out, blow air into it and it makes it easier to slide it back into the vest
Good tip for sure
Interested in this specific pack and watched a bunch of reviews - your critique was the best! Keep the content coming. Training for my first marathon in 2023 and I'll be 76 when I run. Hopefully for a sub-six hour finish with the run/walk/run strategy. Thank you.
Best of luck
I pretty much agree with all of this, but I got the 12 because I also like to take it hiking and it holds more things. Also easier to get to things with the zipper. I was only going to get one. Running with the 12 is fine. Just pull all of the strings to make sure everything is flush against your body.
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Exactly the video I was looking for. 20 mile range is what I'm aiming for in a bag, nailed it! Super impressed with your video/content quality, you should 100% have many more subs coming soon.
Thank you so much for kind words. Glad to help
I personally went with the 12 because I honestly can't even tell the extra space is there if I have it cinched down and unfilled, but I use the pack for a lot of big days in the mountains that include scrambling and high altitudes and I need the extra space for food, water, and layers (and sometimes a helmet if I'm going to be in areas with a risk of rockfall). I've never regretted getting the larger size but there's days where I've maxed it out and would've been sad to only have the 5. But the great thing is that both of them are fantastic packs and everyone's use is slightly different.
Yeah. The 12 is def better for that type of day
There's no way I would sacrifice the versatility of the 12 for the marginal benefit of a tiny bit less of the claimed bounciness of the 5. I don't' find the 12 bounces at all, and all the extra space is super beneficial.
Simple take the 12
Dude, you made my mind up in under 3 minutes. Legend!
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Perfect review. Bought the 5L after watching this. Thank you !
Awesome. I still love it to this day and don’t regret it one bit. Used it today for a 5 hour hike. Was perfect.
i bought adv 5 through online store as your references and its suite well to my needed. thanks to you.
Great to hear! Thanks so much!!
Thank you, I came here trying to decide which one and you answered it in the first minute and it was very informative
Right on. Glad to help!
Great video. My next purchase will be my 3rd pack, and I wanted to make sure ingot the right one. My Nathan feels too much like luggage, and my buddy uses Salomon and has no issues with bouncing, hot spots, etc. Was thinking about Sense as well, but it sounds like this is the one. Appreciate it.
Best of luck jason. It’s been a bit since I made this video and I still love it as much, if not more than I did then
Great review, seriously the best explanation of why you would need an adv skin 5 vs 12. I was confused on what to do until I saw this. Do you think it has enough space to run commute to work? I would need to fit a pair of jeans and a polo shirt. A pair of sneakers would be nice too, but I imagine that it wouldn't fit.
Ps: Did you end up running your 1 mile for your 1,000 subscribers at the end of 2023?
Right on. Got the Miles. Hit 1,000 mid February
What a great review! Youve got a new sub from me! If you have t found out yet though, the "tightening straps" at the bottom are actually for treking pole storage/carrying.
Great tip! I ended up getting the quiver which is awesome
I have both the 5 and the 12. The 12 right now, April 2023, is only $20 more than the 5. For $20, I'd get the 12 even if you don't NEED the 12 NOW. I started with the 5 and only got the 12 in anticipate of a 100M with some potential mandatory kit for bad weather. Thing is, I just use the 12 now, even for training runs. There's really no advantage IMO to the 5 over the 12 besides price, and like I say, for $20, just get the 12.
As for bottles, my 12 came with the same soft bottom bottles. If they're not completely full, an easy way to get them in the pack is to blow air in to make them solid. They slide in super easy, you bite again to suck out the air so it doesn't slosh.
Not sure what wider bottle you're talking about. As far as I can tell they're all 42mm and interchangeable. I did trim my long stems down a bit, and I use flip top "speed fill" on my bottles with water. I use the regular tops like you have for my bottle with water/fuel/electrolyte mix.
Thanks for sharing.
100% agree. I have both, I think the versatility of the 12 is unmatched.
He is possibly talking about width of bottle opening. Over the years Salomon kept changing it due to racers complaining about difficulty of filling them up at water stations as well as difficulty cleaning them properly. I have an older version that comes with very narrow opening or he means those wide, slanted bottles that they made for woman’s versions.
Great video thanks,just pulled the trigger on the 5👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧(subbed)
Awesome! Thank you!
I have the 5 but might get the 12 too. The 5 should be more than enough for a 50k. If you have crew at aid stations then you definitely won't need anything bigger for any event. If you don't have a crew then maybe the 12 helps you carry gear for overnight if you'll be running for 15-20hrs or more. Both are excellent
👍🏻 I’ll use the 12 for a 100+
This is a super helpful review for a first time vest buyer, thanks!
Awesome!! Even months later it’s still my go to
solid review and breakdown
Cheers. Thank you
Really nice review, good work! From Aarhus, Denmark!
Awesome, thank you!
Just got myself this pack and can’t wait to try it in the following days! Thanks for the video!
Nice. Have a great run
Great review! I was thinking of buying the 12, but looks like the 5 will be just fine for me.
Right on. Best of luck
Please give a like! Share what pack you use and thoughts to add more value! Thank you.
Thanks man I was really looking for a video like this! I think I'm gonna take the adv skin 5 as well, looks more than enough :)
Unless your doing multi day events or something that is going to have extreme temp changes where you will need to change cloths it will def be more than enough. Best of luck
Great review! Thank you so much for all this information!
Glad it was helpful!
Perfect. Thanks for your insights on this. The 5 it is.
My pleasure! You won’t be disappointed. Still love it and have used it up to 60k so far with no issues as far as storage
I'm not looking into distances over marathondistance so the active skin 4 is enough for me. lets be real and talk about what solomon does better than the rest, its the fit, my vest never jiggled. i dont know if its because im not from the audhd spectrum but rhythmic is so freaking annoying for me and solomon does a good job with their running/hydration vests delivering a product thats reducing bounce and noise to a minimum
I would have to agree
Great review thanks
Glad it was helpful!
so...looking like half a mile...might want to consider upgrading to the Adv SKin 12L for a monster run like that. Great vid though, thanks!
I just used the 5 for a 100k and didn’t come close to its capacity
That looks cool, might need to upgrade!
I love it
I prefer the drinkbottles with the narrow opening to those with the wider opening. While the wider ones are easier to refill they tend to chafe at my chest. the narrow ones sit more comfortable.
Same
Great review, very helpful. I will be going for the 12 to be prepared for full day tours ... the salomon packs seems to get good grades in general
Def! 12 is good for layers, jackets and a food. For a race with aid stations the 5 is still my go to
Hey Brad! You actually have the wide mouth soft flasks! I had the smaller ones on my 250ml and those were a pain in the a
Yeah, I’ve heard that! Gotta be wise mouth
Really nice review ✌
Appreciate it. Glad to help!
I'm about to buy one of the 12 or 15 liters to use it for 50K-100K races and long hikes where I might sleep the night.
My concern is, considering it'll be half empty during the races, do you think it'll be tight enough for the race or will it keep dangling in an annoying way?
Any insight will be really helpful, and that's a nice review, keep it up.
When it’s not filled it doesn’t feel much different to be honest.
Go with the 12, you will not regret it. It's extremely versatile.
Great quality video. Subscribed
Thanks for the sub!
this is very very helpful thanks
Thank you so much for the comment! Glad to help out. I try and give the most “real” review I can
@@bradfinntrains I bought the adv skin 5, cant wait to run in it and set it up for a run!
Have a great run!
These packs are super comfy but they do run extremely hot during hotter days. If one is to use it during hot summers, light color fabric is definitely better. I have black one and I love it but it is unbearable on hot days.
Yeah, I could see black being warm. I cut out the inner platic piece for the bladder and it made it better
Appreciate the video, this really helped me!
Awesome! Glad to help!
Hey man thanks for the video! Very informative. Btw, how do you usually fix your poles to adv skin 5?
It’s the pinned comment. I have a review of the quiver
Thanks man. I found myself in the Salomon website and was really perplexed. Initially the active 4 was recommended to me.. I was curious if you (or anyone) knew the difference between the active 4 and the advanced 5. I think the number suggests the volume of space ..but otherwise what’s the difference.
I’m not sure. Don’t have the active 4
Thankkkkk youuuu
You’re very welcome
@@bradfinntrains I secured the bag! Excited to try it tomorrow
Is there chaffing when wearing tank top or shirtless?
I haven’t done a tank, but yes there was a little bit shirtless the one time I tried. It wasn’t awesome. If I did it again I would put some lube and it would probably be fine
for 20 canadian dollars more i think the 12 L is a better deal just incase u need the space.
Awesome👍🏻 I tend to just get what I need. I wouldn’t buy a mini van just incase I have 5 kids :)
@@bradfinntrainsbut hey all the single moms would love you when you help pick their kids up from the soccer game .... "ooh Brad, thanks for picking up my kid, wanna come back to my place and have dinner while watching a movie"?
Picture yourself running and seeing a beautiful hiker girl, you want that extra space the 12L offers to pack a ukulele and a picnic blanket so u can serenade her while feeding the extra running gel you could carry because you had more space.
Now with the 5L you'd have no choice but to just pass her while she gives you a cold stare.
Can I ask, what was your chest measurement in this video? You have the vest tightened really close in this vid. Im just wondering about a size for myself. Thanks.
Not postive.
I used their size chart and it was pretty accurate. Im 5’11” and 180 pounds with normal build and wear a large.
Hi Brad, did your running pack come with the insulated sleeve for the hydration bladder?
It did
Have you tried the 12 on? It’s literally the same weight with more storage options and a zip on the back to make it much easier to get stuff out on the run .
Yes I own in. And it’s “literally” 13 grams more and not the same weight, although no one can detect 13 grams on their back.
I prefer the 5 becuase it’s not overkill and bulky for most of my uses. But I use the 12 for fast packing and overnight trips
Fair points ! Have you ever used the adidas terrex vests ?
@@gothicgorey I have not. Good stuff??
Excellent info! Just curious - did you also consider the Sense Pro 5 as a potential option?
I did. To be honest I went back and fourth for weeks. Then knew I had to pull the trigger. They are all great backs. I don’t think it will matter too much. But haven’t worn it.
But I literally wear this for EVERY run over 10 miles
@@bradfinntrains Awesome - thanks for the reply
@@bradfinntrains Btw, keep up the great work!!
Cheers. Always!
@@bradfinntrains great video man! just curious what you use for your sub 10 mile runs?
Is the zippered pocket on this newer version waterproof? I have issues of my phone getting covered in sweat and locking me out. Some packs mitigate this with a waterproof pocket, but my old (trashed) version of the Adv Skin didn’t have a waterproof pocket anywhere
Not the one I have. I put everything in a dry bag or zip lock that I need to keep dry
Thanks for the review! How is it running shirtless with the pack? I get terrible nipple chaffing with shirts and prefer running without a shirt.
No good. I got messed up when I tried it. Just out a band aid over ur nipples. That’s what I do.
What size water bladder fits?
As mentioned in the video. You can look up all the specs on google and get the answer in under 10 seconds
www.salomon.com/sites/default/files/pdf/UserManual-ADVSKIN.pdf#17
How does the 5 fit? I'm right on the threshold between L and XL according to Salomon's website. I have a 43.5" (110cm) chest. I'm 5'11" and 200lbs (90kg).
I've never worn an XL in any other garment so I'm concerned that the sizing is off and I'll end up with a lot of bouncing if I go with the XL. I'm also concerned that the L will be too small and will chafe. Do they run large or small?
I used their size chart and it was pretty accurate. Im 5’11” and 180 and wear a large.
I'm 5'11'' and 205 lbs. I bought the 5 in size L and it's perfect. XL would have been too big. It's definitely on the tighter side when filled with stuff
What size did you get?
And chest size? 😁
For reference thanks
I have a large. Went by the sizing guide on the website. Dont know my chest size off the top of my head. I’m 5’ 11” 175 pounds with average build
So the 5 L main back pocket is not zipped
No. But I can’t see a time it would need to be. Nothing is coming out. It’s stretchy fabric. Not lose. Only if you flipped it upside down
The 5 has a large pocket accessible from the top. And no nothing is going to fall out. But the 12 has another pocket with a long zipper at the back. It's easier for getting at various things without having to take them all out. You do have to take the pack off to get at it, but it has the same "from the top" pockets as the 5
Thanks, I had a feeling the 12 would be overkill for a marathon but needed confirmation.
Def overkill for a marathon. I’ve used the 5L for 50k+ packed with a jacket, wool hat, gloves and a long sleeve shirt with no problem
Why is the 5l more expensive then the 8?
I don’t work there. No idea 🤷🏻♂️
Good question. I think it’s older version of 8 vs newer of 5. I love my Salomon 12 but all manufactures do not change names of newer version which drives me nuts because you basically have no way to compare unless reviewer has multiple versions and long and detailed knowledge of versions changes over the years. There are always some subtle differences which may or may not be as crucial to some. Usually it is very important to racers because it effects the weight; distribution and convenience. Currently I am on REI website and I can already see the lack of this info. I also noticed that some have soft, summer fabric and some have crinkly, water resistant fabric of the main back compartment. Other times they come with newer version of bottles and that’s where price difference.
Nice review, I subbed, so run a mile for me
You got it!