How to unload a chemical tanker the right way and what to look for and why
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2022
- Here is a little bit of how to unload a chemical tanker. I hope this helps. I am also looking to hire someone to drive one of my trucks. Must have 2 years cdl experience, hazmat and tanker endorsements and a twic card.
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My man, I'm taking time out to write and say thanks for taking the time to make this video. I watched it a couple of times b4 I began chemical training. Now that I've gone through a few days of training, your video is helping me to remember the process. I definitely appreciate you, my brutha. 👊🏾😉
Thank you. I'm so glad you were able to get something out of it. I'm going to make a playlist for tanking tips and stuff for easier access. Good luck out there. ✌
Loved this. Thank you!
Hope it somewhat explains the process
I really was learning a lot just from this one video. Thanks so much for taking time to help everyone that's beginners and skilled to stay on point. I really enjoyed watching. Thank you Sir!
Thanks. I'm glad you were able to get something out of it.
Good to see a fellow Tanker-Yanker on UA-cam 👍 I'm parked til diesel gets reasonable, so hopefully the customers will increase their rates to offset the additional costs. I love your chicken lights! Be safe driver 🙏
Thank you sir. I sure wish they'd get this economy under control for sure. I'm down here in Miami now in my 2nd truck slowly adding chicken lights and chrome. Lol hope to get a driver for it come January when I head back up home.
I start a new job soon and learned a lot from this thanks.
Thanks and good luck on the new job. ✌️😎🙏🇺🇸
Very interesting Tony. Drive safely my friend. See you in the next video.God bless you.
Hey man, I'm joining the tanker world in the next month. Thanks for the thorough video showing the RIGHT way to do things!
Thanks for coming by. I also have a video on what to look for when picking up a trailer from a yard or tank wash that might be helpful.
@@TheTourettesTrucker I’ll check it out. Thanks man!
Jumping into the tanker world in a few weeks thanks for the video very helpful video. A lot of learning to come excited 🙏🏻
Congratulations and welcome aboard. Check back tomorrow at 4pm for a video on what to look for when hooking up to a clean trailer, especially if picked up at a tankwash
Same boat here, about to start in the tanker world. I’m excited!! Watching your videos just for some knowledge. Hopefully I’ll be making my own videos too. I do have some videos on dry van!
@@axist1235 Welcome to the field. I try to put some informative ones out occasionally. Lol
Subscribed now. 👍
Thank you, this was very informative. Currently working non hazmat pneumatic dry bulk and have the oppurtunity to transfer over to hazmat liquid. This simplifies it quite a bit. And to be honest it seems less stressful than running the dry bulk. Looking forward to it now.
Thanks for watching and glad it helped. Stay safe out there 😎✌️🇺🇸
As a 12 year chemical vet, yea dry bulk is a bit of a pain. Aluminum hydrate especially.
I’m new to the tanker world and that was very informative!! Thank you !!
Thanks. I'm glad it helped out. Stay safe Kee
Very informative. Thank you so much.
Hope it helps in any way. ✌️😎
thnx for the vid it is the best i have seen showing and explaining how and why things are done. Hopefully be starting my driving career this fall.
Sweet. Congratulations. Tanking isn't for everyone but the pay is better for sure. I'm glad the video can help.
Glad I found your channel - to the point - important information -subscribed!
Glad you were able to get something out of it. Be safe out there William. 😎 ✌️
Thanks for the video. I start tanker training in a week!
Well congrats and good luck out there. Be safe and beware that surge. Most don't realize it hits you in the back like a sledge 🔨. ✌️😎
Been rocking with Schneider Bulk for over a year now, love this video and seeing other tankers doing the good work 🙌🏻
Thanks. Roll easy out there driver. ✌️😎🙏🇺🇸
Hey Tony. I was just talking with Wayne yesterday about working with you guys. I’m a newbie and really enjoyed watching your video. I might see you out on the road one of the days.
Well glad it can help. We sure can use the help over here. Hope to see ya soon.
Thanks for the amazing video!!! Starting tanker in about a week, should be hauling mostly chemicals too - excited!!!
Congratulations brother. Tanking is a special breed for sure. Stay safe out there and glad the video gave you some insight. My last video gives a little more insight about clearing a line out if you have to unload into 2 different tanks. ✌️😎🙏🇺🇸
Finally a real instructor! Too many idiots who get off track! Safe travels I’ll be on the look out for your truck!
Thanks. I know I left out some things but I tried to get the basics down. ✌️😎
@@TheTourettesTrucker Sir I have a quick question. My “final exam” with this company before I am released from training is an air off. Am I correct that you start the air first? That would make sense. Also how do I know when to start the unload? As you can see I am as green as your truck and have only seen it done live in person once.
Nice video. I’m doing food grade tanker and was wondering how chemical operates. Very informative
Thx JR. Be safe out there. ✌️😎
Thanks for the info. Be safe!
Np. Hope it helps
Thanks for the great video! I’m new to tanker. This helped me a lot!!
good luck with tanking. It does pay better than most field except oversize.
LOVE the cross in the grill Sir !!!!🙌🏼🙌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼. I just found your channel! Going to check out some videos!!
Thanks Bryan. Hope you like the channel. Stay safe out there.
@@TheTourettesTrucker 👍🏼👍🏼you TOO Sir !!!
Great video. You are a professional the way you are TRYING to be legal. Leave it to the DOT to find something to complain about. A friend of mine hauled chemicals in the 70s and 80s he had a pump on the tractor and he had to pump off the load using his own pump. Be safe out there.
I had a pump on my other truck but everything we haul uses air. We don't haul flammables unless the customer pumps it off. Thanks for the kind words.
@@TheTourettesTrucker
You're very welcome.
a great video with many details, keep rolling Bro
thx. You be safe as well Julio and have a great weekend.
Good explanation .. nice to see a professional at work .. safe, tidy and thoughtful .. video at its best .. thanks for taking us along.
Thx Julian. I tried to make this one educational. ✌️😎
You're the man baby! ❤
Thanks so much ! The video was awesome!
You're welcome. Hope it helped. ✌️😎🙏🇺🇸
Yo, I can't wait to be able to do this. I just completed my training today and am about to start with my TE. I just have to wait a few months. I want to do this so badly. I need to get my hazmat asap.
Yes. I wish you the best. There is great money in tanking. We do very well here at M. Gibson Trucking pulling tankers. Hope you have a happy and safe new year. 😎✌️
Very informative thank you
Hope it helps. Have a great weekend sir ✌️😎
Very well explained, good idea using trucks own compressor to fill tank with air , you don't need an extra pump to make Air..
No sir. The 2 stage compressor is nice to have if you have an air leak too. It can buy you more time to pull over
Good detailed information and video thanks for the help
Glad it helped. Stay safe 😎✌️
Howdy Mr Tony. Nicely done brother. You Certainly can tell this isn't your first rodeo yankin tanks. Keep safe and roll easy. Peace
I have definitely pull one a time or two. Lol be safe Doug. ✌️😎
Great video! I’m starting tanker trading next week for Schneider .. I hope I’m not too old to do the job! LOL. Starting late in life.. I’m 58.. had to get out of the horrible retail world!! Be safe out there!😁
I'll be 53 in about 45 days so it's all good. Just take it slow and steady and you'll be fine. Watch out for the surge. That is rough on a back. Be safe good sir ✌️😎
@@TheTourettesTrucker will do.. thanks for the info!
hope you had a good day in Pa. if you come to Pa again would like to take you to lunch if we can meet up...stay safe out there..Rick from Kutztown
Those lock havens are pretty regular it seems.
@@TheTourettesTrucker that's about 90 minutes from me
@@TheTourettesTrucker were you up there all last weekend
@@richardhaag3959 no I had to shut down on Virginia and got up and finished drive there to unload them drove to Lancaster to wash out the trailer then went to Richmond VA.
Good video. Thanks for the info.
Thanks, I hope it helped out some.
Great video!
Thank you sir. Have a great weekend
Clog could be in that check valve just above the t in piping
Good informative video guy!
Thank you. I know it's not as in depth as some of the comments wish but it was just meant to be a general idea video.
@@TheTourettesTrucker you put it out there to BE ABLE TO LINK IT ALL TOGETHER PHYSICS ENTANGLEMENT.. YOU MADE IT POSSIBLE TO FIND IT IN ONE PLACE BY INTENT TO BE ABLE TO.. NO APOLOGY NEEDED! YOU EARNED THE COMPLIMENT BY PHYSICS
WISHING GOOD FOR OTHERS, GOD'S HANDS FOR EACH OTHER MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE.. ALL HAVE WHAT THEY NEED.. A HUG GUY! THANKS..
I’m here in 2022 and after watching 20 videos this one is the most clear and well explained
I appreciate that. I'll have another coming out next week explaining what to look for when picking up a clean trailer before loading.
that was interesting now maybe show getting loaded. miss Thor waiting for you when you open door. know you do too. take care.
Yes Art I actually miss that a lot. Those eyes peeping over baby Yoda helped lift the stress and loneliness out here
Awesome video
Thanks much 😎✌️
Great video budd
I appreciate that. I tried to give some info to help
You have gained a new subscriber brother, Im loving the information taking my DOT physical next week so I can get my permit then look for a company with tankers to get my CDLs definitely interested in tankers...ANY ADVICE FOR A NEWBIE????
If you get into tanking just remember, Take your time and double check all of your lines before hooking and unhooking. Make sure the receiver confirms your bills are the right product going into his tank. Even have them put their hand on the valve if more than 1 product being unloaded at that station. If you unload with air pressure instead of a pump, NEVER didconnect after the valves are closed until you are sure the pressure has been bled off the line. Be safe out there and best of luck. Tanker do make great money though.
@@TheTourettesTrucker mn I appreciate it thanks I'm thinking about prime or Schneider....was thinking about cfi but they stop taking hires from South of Orlando
@@357squared I personally think Prime would be beter than schneider, but thats just me. I'll be heading to miami next week and be down there until around january working.
Great video Driver ! I used to offload tankers from Quality but we did it into totes, emulsion and ethanol, and they werent any way near you in safety. Any loads that you have to wear breathing gear ?
I have done some sulphuric acid loads and this load
I'm on now and a strong ammonia smell so need to have a respirator handy. You be safe out there Vernon✌️😎
I needed this video thanks man
Thanks. Glad you were able to get something out of it.
When you say two stage you are describing double acting or possibly dual cylinders, two stage takes output of one stage as into the next for higher pressure output, double acting compresses on both up and down stroke.
Seems to be a LOT more work than just opening/closing box doors! Be safe with all those chemicals!
This is why there aren't too many people beating down the DMV doors to get a hazmat and tanker endorsement. Lol 🤣🤣🤣
that's why he makes the big bucks now 💰💰💰
Can't wait to hit my one year mark as a bulk liquid driver so that I can move to a company that actually pays! I'm paying my dues at Schneider right now!
Yeah I hear ya. The pay isn't the best over there. ✌️😎
Excellent video 👍✌️
Thanks scooter ✌️😎
yea, i parked my 2001 freightliner century pulling dry van because the rates dropped more than 50 percent and after doing dry van and some reefer for 26 years i am tired of the cheap dry van rates and the fluctuations, parked my truck and going to go back company driving to get into the tanker business and get a newer truck. i have had the enhanced license, hazmat, tanker and twic, passport for a long time now. it is time to put the credentials to better use.
I agree with you. We are making great money with tanker. I wish you the best Mark.
Good information driver
Thanks Ernest. Be safe out there. ✌️😎
Great video was wondering if that tanker your pulling has baffles
We don't pull anything with baffles
Yep,most chemical tankers have no baffles.Welcome to the Surge.
Thanks you for the video 100%.
Thanks for watching. I tried to make it thorough. 😎✌️
@@TheTourettesTrucker 100%
Hey i work for the company that make these trailer. Those DOT 407 are really popular !
I sure wish they were lighter. I'm a heavy truck lol
@@TheTourettesTrucker there are lightweight model 😇
Great video man . I hear people also ofload wirh a pump . What tyoe of pumps do they usually use ??
Some use a roper pump run by a pto and shaft off the transmission and some have a hydraulic pump.
@@TheTourettesTrucker can those used for end up be used for this application ..
( they have a reservoir)
Other dangers, hot when dumping, venting like this problem of venting incorrectly.. next day cooler, vacuum by result will crush tanker into a u shape like a lot of railroad tankers. Has to be neutral pressure for heating up in sunshine reasons..
Does the tank unloading valve have a excess flow valve that shuts off if you open the valve to fast?
No sir. Our trailers don't have any valve like that.
Question, i noticed there were no placards on the trailer showing what type of product was being hauled. Isn't the tank wash the facility that is supposed to remove them so they know what product was on the trailer for their safety?? Just wondering why, they were not visible when you had product on the trailer.
I was hauling non hazmat defoamer. We don't need placards for that product. 😀
One question... When they deliver a certain type of Silicate it has a very low freeze point, how do you keep it from freezing up on you??
The average road trailer is insulated and most have steam coils. The trailers product will generally lose about 10° the 1st day then after that only about 2° a day. There are some trailers that are set up with in transit heat lines which the truck has to have connections to tie into. Once connected your trucks coolant will run through the trailer. The downside is if it's not your dedicated trailer you BETTER make sure that trailer doesn't have junk coolant in it.
Man I miss hauling bio diesel and the 389 I was driving 😢
I'dove to get me a 389. Gonna have to wait for the economy to pick back up 1st. Have a blessed weekend ✌️😎
What is that building right across the loading/unloading station?
That another part of the plant. I think it's the number 1 paper machine.
How do you secure the ears on the hose to keep the hose from coming off under pressure
Velcro straps are the easiest way. I have a bunch of orange Velcro straps.
Great video
@@davidsyked9420 thank you.
Folks, open your dome or at least a 3" up top before offloading a gravity drop. On a blow off, open your discharge valves BEFORE pressurizing your tank. Why? Your compressor will reach unloading pressure just fine. You want to catch leaks before they spray. You want a high cfm air compressor on your truck. It doesn't need to be higher pressure than 40 psi.
GREAT video, now when loading, we hook up big blue hose and open value on top of tanker, right!!!???? 🤪, I'm a van mover!!!! 😘
Have you had any scares while pulling tanker freight and how often are you away from home?
I'm the exception to the rule over here. I will stay out for 3 months if we have work. The owner of the company here doesn't really want anyone being gone more than 3 weeks though. Tankers are worse on snow and ice. The surge can push you into an intersection or through a curve if not careful.
@@TheTourettesTrucker Thank you
What are the reputable companies that you can recommend for a CDL driver who has hazmat and tanker endorsements?
That's a hard one. I know I'm not doing too bad here at C Three Logistics but I would look for some small carriers with direct customers. A lot of the MEGA carriers have slashed the rates so bad that it's hard to make money. I've heard from several big tanker outfits that have cut the pay to the trucks and charging crazy fuel card fees and such trying to be more profitable. Usually the smaller companies care more about their drivers. And will work with you more than a mega carrier.
May seem less stressful by you do it all delivery gone, but ignorant crash it by type of tanker, only cargo worry about obvious top heavy consistant reliable set speed safe.. wait until more experience as a trucker..
Did this job teach you all this when you started? I just got my hazmat and tanker and need to find a job that will train me
I started tanking on 2006 and the company had a week long class we had to attend with a complete setup for pump and air unloading
@@TheTourettesTrucker Thanks I really appreciate it. I'll keep looking
@@MalonLabe1776 hope the video helps with the basics.
Keep balance flat, but food grade, can't steralize.. justhave to go slower.. no other option..
in the gps world, which would you think is best, Rand McNally or Garmin?
I honestly like rand better but they have had charging Issues after 1 year and would stop working even if plugged in. They supposedly fixed that so I'm trying them again. They have more info on them but I do however like the route shaping feature on the Garmin.
I have the Rand McNally 750 and a Garmin 785 which can go to Mexico. Which is better
@@benjaminschill2258 not sure as I have never been into Mexico but I personally prefer Rand McNally since they are the ones who make the road maps and atlas
hey brother; what company did you start with? How much do you net after taxes each year?
I started pulling tankers with Roger's Cartage in 2006. The terminal I worked out of did lease purchase trucks and they didn't rip you off like these other mega carriers.
I'm not a good one to say what I bet after taxes since I'm incorporated and pay myself a salary and have adp payroll and W2 myself. I'll just say back then I averaged around 170k gross to the truck back then. If you are going owner operator, it's best now to look for one where the truck will gross over 300k a year.
@@TheTourettesTrucker wow. Thanks for the response. I'm only just now getting my permit and I am considering CDL contract through a mega carrier to get my training instead of paying out-of-pocket out to a school (cant afford that in my life right now). pretty sure I want to do tanker, at least get that endorsement upfront. If you have any career advice please let me know. I've been reading the forms and I see people have all kinds of different experiences and the pay range can vary a lot. and of course for the first year at least people aren't making too much but I understand that you have to gain experience.
I don't have a wife or children and I need to change careers because at least with trucking there is the potential to make six figures whereas my current career field that's not even a potential really.
How long does it usually take to unload/load a trailer?
It can range from 30 minutes to 4 hours. The average is around 1 hour
The regulations are made for people such as yourself who like to bend the rules to your own liking. Theres a reason for everything and engineers and environmentalists have put a lot of thought into those regulations. They want everything closed up tight so that your not venting potentially harmful gases and/or liquids into the atmosphere or road. Even if it is just trace amounts and you dont understand the logic. Just continue doing what your supposed to do regardless of your oppinion of it.
I want to pull takers but i dont know any brokers ...Do u used brokers for your loads?
No. I'm contacted with M. Gibson Trucking and he has direct chemical company contracts.
@@TheTourettesTrucker ooh ok i got u thanks for the inf help alot
Mr. Sanchez we protect our industry from brokers and double dipping and rate cuts
So do you empty the whole tank at one delivery point?
Generally we do. We do have one account where we deliver bleach to 4 separate locations in a papermill.
Oh ok. I applied with Schneider for their tanker position. So im just trying to learn as much as I can before putting my foot in the door. I have all the creds so they offered me the job.
When your empty you’ll see the hose start jumping
Yes sir but on some of these loads that require LOW psi sometime you won't see it. I had that happen before and my guage said I should've been empty but never jumped. I waited for probably 20 more minutes before I closed it off and checked bleed off.
The missed a lot of steps in the process . For example,The dog ears are not tied down . You don’t just hook up and unload at the customer. Also, this is not your typical truck driver job it comes with high risk from injuries to get fried or even death. Safety is the most important thing here.
i wanna pull tanker im owner operator idk who to pull for
M. Gibson out of Macon GA is looking for O/O's. We have excellent mileage rate.
You never build up pressure in a tank first you suppose to hook to the customer then yours once you completed that you always open the customer internal valve then open your external valve slowly then open your internal to make sure there no leaking product THEN ONCE THERE IS NO LEAKS THATS WHEN YOU OPEN YOur CHICAGO FITTING TO PRESSURE THE TANK. Thank me later.
Differing schools of thought on that one, driver. Putting air to the tank after all the valves are open will prevent you from building up much tank pressure and make it take a lot longer to unload. Heavy, viscous liquid and a long push to the customer’s tank, you could be there all day.
This is definitely a preference thing. The tanker itself is equipped with a pressure relief device that will start blowing off pressure at 25-35psi.
Nope!! YOU ARE WRONG!!!
@@bidenblows24_7 , No. Everyone is Trained Differently. Your Way Is Not Wrong Either.
What psi do you unload at?
We normally start around 25
Might not be the best place for that bike now that the hoserack's there, eh?
Absolutely. I need to figure something out
@@TheTourettesTrucker I love that you actually reply to your fans, man.
Gonna miss seein ol thorbug in your videos, tho. Lol.
@@FRDRC_2192 I miss him everyday as well. I would fuss at him wanting to be in my lap 90%+ of the time I'm driving but it was nice to see his face when I left the truck and had him greet me back.
Thank you 🙏
Your welcome. Hopefully this video helps out
Are y'all hiring ?
Im in houston tx
I am looking for a driver for one my trucks and I believe C Three Logistics where I contract is also looking for drivers.
Did you used to be that wild beard trucker guy?
Lol. That guy is the bomb bro. We are actually friends. Here is his channel. youtube.com/@WildBeardTrucking
@@TheTourettesTrucker Yeah, that's him
No chock no ground ?
No ground needed for non flammable. Have trailer and tractor brakes set as well
Text book delivery man.
That air line probably clogged from lazy azz driver riding with the top valve open. We have some of those same peeps. That air line set up is nice when it works properly. Be safe.
That's exactly what I think. Ughhhh
So how do u unclog a clogged line?
Sure beats waiting at a dock for hours.
It sure does. And over here we get good detention pay
Placards?
No sir. This stuff is a paper bonding agent and isn't hazardous.
GOOD VIDEO, LIKE THE CROSS ON THE GRILL, ONE MISTAKE , I DIDN T LIKE THE WAY HE EXHAUSTED THE TRAILER IN THE END, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED DOING IT THAT WAY , HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF EXHAUSTING HIS PRESSURE INTO THE CUSTOMERS TANKS THRU HIS PRODUCT HOSE, ALSO ALOT OF RECIEVERS DON T LIKE TO SEE THE VAPORS RELEASED TO THE OPEN AIR , BUT GOOD JOB OVERALL
They prefer not to exhaust in their tanks as all of the 5 product tanks are in the building.
@@TheTourettesTrucker OK
Just not the same when you open the door and no Thor bummer
I do miss him always looking for me when he heard me disarm the alarm. He always got in the window of the dash looking for me. ❤️🐈
Starting out trucking better to stay cargo, no tankers, too much for cargo, driving change required for TYPE OF TANKER.. OR CRASH IT.. NO BAFFLES FOR FOOD GRADE, MILK, HAVE TO BE EASY STERILIZE.. WHY NO BAFFLES, BUT WILL ROLL BY EXIT RAMP BY SLOSH SIDEWAYS. HAVE TO GO WAY SLOWER. THIS WHEN NON FOOD GRADE TANKER CAN BE CORRECTED BY HYDRAULICS DESIGN, EXAMPLE, FOOT SQUARE FUNNEL TO A 2 INCH DELIVERY BACK LOW ON OTHER SIDE SAME FUNNEL WITH SAY 4 INCH EDGE CAN'T SLOSH UP TO GO HIGH TILT/ROLL TANKER..
No placards eh?
Nope. Luckily the 4 chemicals we bring here are all non hazmat. Be safe out there 😎✌️
Curious Sir, what is the code/legal violation for not driving with pressure on the tank? Many chemicals pressurize after closure and or transport. Remember the safety of bleeding pressure before opening the lid? There is rarely an instance of driving a chemical tanker down the road that is not under pressure. These trailers are rated by DOT as 'low pressure' trailers. I beg you to Never again release dog ears on the dome lid while still pressurized, (Especially placing your body over the lid while doing it.) I am aware of Tankers becoming gravely injured doing such blatantly unsafe acts. The ten minutes you saved is not worth losing life. Venting going down the road is illegal. After unload you are not empty (residue- requiring active BOL and ALL valves closed and capped.) Be careful out there Tanker Man. Be careful what you teach the new guys.
You really didn't show your steps like your title mentioned. You didn't specify which valve to open first before offloading. And your hose would still tighten up even if your trailer was empty due to just the air pressure.. My opinion, unsafe steps.
On the dome lid don’t take off the front 2 hinges. Also, why not open your vapor instead of the bleeders up top.
I normally will open vapor recovery if the trailer has one. Only a few of those trailers had them.
I can send a 3rd grade kid to teach you.
Am I seeing this right? That doesn't look like the easiest spot to get your truck into.
It's actually not too bad. We have MANY worse spots to get in to.
@TheTourettesTrucker lol, that's not a good sign for me. I've been driving for 10 years or so but it's been Class B. This past year I've been in a Class A tank but it was a day cab and everything was pretty much pull through. Now I've gotten a good job offer to haul hot sulfur for a small company and they have sleeper cabs. Imagine me trying to do a bunch of maneuvering and without being able to look out a back window. Maybe I should look for something else. 😆
@@danielmoore1232 just have faith in yourself. Everyone starts out scared as all get out. There are still times i get flustered and take a gazillion pull ups to get it right. No matter how many years someone has been driving, it will happen to them. If it's a great opportunity for you, Trust in yourself and give it a try. Like everything in life we all have to learn to crawl before we can walk and we've ALL fallen down many times. Good luck Daniel. ✌😎
Why do you need to have no beard? I had a job opp but they said i need no beard low mustache.. do you put a 😷 on r sum
There are A FEW plants that require you to be able to put a tight seal respirator on in case of an emergency and facial hair will keep it from sealing. Luckily we have only been to 1 place like that in the last 5 years.
They’re not hillbilly friendly.
But non food grade baffeling correct can't slosh hi side to side thinking.. same for helmet designs, capillary designs same as a woodpecker, ain't brain dead slamming head on a tree.. anything else braindead..