Pilot preferred to listen to his ego instead of let his co-pilot "win" by listening to him, and the outcome was determined by physics which tends to always win when up against ego.
I don’t think it was his ego tho. He was just sleepy and not in a state of mind to make important decisions. Had he been more alert I feel like he would have 100% gone around
The "win" is the problem here. Don't argue on the flight deck. Elaborate the best solution based on facts and on the solution and experience of both sides!
@@partytill10 it's sad they just slept on the wrong moment, as far as I know sleeping is pritty normal during flight. But if I'm hearing this right he was just waking up and I also have a face while waking up where I'm thinking I'm awake but am not. At least I hope that this was the case because if not it was not a honest mistake.
@@just-give-me-a-handle-you Yes Pilots are allowed to sleep but only in long haul flight that are more then 10Hrs I think and that too with a third pilot. Pilot present in the cockpit are not allowed to sleep, they have resting area just behind the cockpit.
I remember this accident, the 8 lucky people who survived jumped out when the roof of the plane broke apart on falling onto the deep gourg. They ran and barely made it out when the flight fully caught fire and exploded.
@@jaleger2295 I'm not sure why this sounds like bullshit to you..... '"Plane crashes, bursts into flames, 8 people managed to jump out before it burst into flames, they were the only survivors". Uhhh yeah, that sounds exactly like how these types of things happen.
@@chriskelly4299I know more than him, I am a resident of Bangalore ( I lived in mangalore in 2009) near baajpe airport (mangalore airport) I went to the crash site, the victims were carried out in stretchers and they said that when the plane broke apart they got flinged out of their seats and fell onto the gorge below. I fly air India express to this day. (This airline is not affiliated with air India, it’s a entirely different airline)
I have worked with Indians in the high tech industries. They're mostly very good in what they do, but I noticed the seniors do get tough on their junior Indian counterparts against the orgs ethos. This pilot was arrogant
@@mutka2003 i have had to reprimand a lot of seniors for that behavior here, I actually sent back to India some that did not want to change and kept looking down to the jr's instead of teaching them as they are supposed to.
Those with power think they are gods and will ruin anyone standing up to them. Thank god there are no humans with superpowers. Also why only after this F/O was given powers to take over. Also go around became a non punitive action. Air India was to be blamed fully for taking punitive action for go arounds.
After the Korean and Japan Air crashes.. things changed somewhat *on paper.* . But often, say: Tenerefe crash, besides being senior authority.. just the stature or the aura of the person/persons too males one duck☹
I had so-cal approach put me way too high on an approach once. They cleared us for the approach and we just said, "unable, we're going missed." About 5 minutes later, we were safely on the ground. Had we been stupid and accepted the clearance, we would've gone off the runway. It's short and was raining at the time, and we had higher approach speeds for stall protection due to ice accretion earlier in the flight. Moral of the story, never be afraid to go missed. It's simple, you won't get in trouble for it, and it's safe.
Indeed, i guess most professional, and many non professional, pilots have had that happen to them. Had once a controller set me up 2000ft too high for an ILS in Paris Orly, it took four "Unable" to get through to the controller, but we got a descent clearance, a short racetrack via vectors, and then landed safely. Likewise in Zürich, Switzerland, where it is very common to get an ILS clearance while being too high and with a tailwind (during the day, ILS 14 is usually in use for political noise reasons). One "unable" there was enough, we got a 360° on the spot and then could start our ILS safely. In this accident though, the main culprit was the crew setting themselves up being too high.
Many airlines demand on time, on schedule. Especially budget airlines. So some pilot would risk it, especially when it was he fault for missing the landing opportunity
If you ever end up in that position sat next to Captain Hubris, if he doesn't listen to your call for a go around, press the PTT button and call a "Going Around" to ATC.
captain took the life of that sensible first officer . Also passengers. all these incidents are of inappropriate approaching heights and speed..recently PIA 8303. Captains must be trained regularly even if they hv experience of over 10yrs. Just to remind them that co pilot is not a joke.
@Sumair Siddiqui it was pilot error. Preliminary report has been released. Completely disregarded ATC warnings to go around multiple times, was way too fast and too high. In the process it seems they even got confused about which way the landing gear lever goes, as they raised the gear before landing. Complete and utter morons IMO.
It’s policy in Most US carriers that if either of the crew says go around the plane is required to go around without question. But other cultures put captain in command instead of the crew working as a team. While the PIC is ultimately responsible the crew should always work as closely to equals as possible. At the end of the day both will probably be killed if something goes wrong. Korean Airlines had a horrible track record of this.
Well, i guess in India and other countries in middle east have the person who has higher authority than you being "unquestionable", i guess that's why also they allow only the captain to perform approach and landing on that airport
This is common of cultures with more hierarchical structures. Interestingly, the Aussies are known to have the best Crew Resource Management as they have one of the least hierarchical cultures.
@@Zekrom569 The captain was not even Indian. He was an expatriate, from one of the ex-soviet republics if I'm not mistaken. Captain to be Pilot flying in some of these airports as they are the more experienced crew member of the two. But of course the fact that you think India is in the Middle East goes a long way to show your ignorance.
Air india should not recruit such captain pilot or kick them out. I feel pity for first officer he was helpless. If he was in command of landling he would safed the life of all.
people in India take government jobs at 22 just to retire at 60 without any plans to be productive or to do good for the organization \, no wonder all government entities are bankrupt despite having a headstart of over 10year
Air India is the worst airline in all of Asia in my opinion The Pilots have a complete disregard of safety and often dont even refer to the checklist... no pilot is wearing their actual uniform- like the tie and stuff
I am a doctor hoping to specialise in intensive care. As someone who works in time-critical situations (e.g. resuscitating a crashing patient), I really enjoy your commentary on human factors that contribute to aviation accidents. This video taught me that there's a formal name for something healthcare workers know intuitively - that cognitive performance is impaired on night shifts. We call it "night-shift brain"... but I'll be empowering colleagues to use WOCL from now on!
There were two key factors to the crash which got overlooked. 1) When they asked for descend, some other traffic made a call at the same time resulting in a VHF block tone and further adding to the delay the area controller kept them on standby for descend. 2) The crm of Air India Express was under question with expat and senior captains deciding not to follow the company manuals on multiple occasions. First Officers who decided to complain were just de-rostered and shuffled to fly with different captains. Quite remarkable there were no repercussions for controllers. Before flight 812 arrives they are supposed to change shifts but the same controllers are overworked into receiving 812 before the next shift arrives.
You could have easily made disrespectful remarks about the conduct of the captain but you did not. It is beautiful how you go about such cases, with so much dignity. It's almost impossible to find such decorum nowadays, thank you
Will Atwood I’m a pilot, used to fly cargo and I’ve never flown with pilots that slept when they didn’t have a relief and werent mandated by law. I know it happens, but not like this case, and I doubt I’d be surprised at the actual statistics
I see where you're coming from, but you're just one company out of the rest. With that said, I don't believe there is an actual mandate, in writing, the expressively states wether pilots can or cannot sleep in the cockpit. Employer regulations may apply that in their rule book to their pilots but I don't believe the FAA has said that specifically. Also, Canada and Australia (I may be wrong on this, it may be another country) have laws allowing pilots to sleep in the cockpit for a maximum of 45 min. citing that these power naps actually improve their response and functionality throughout flights. However the pilot in this video has blatantly shown utter disregard for any and all safety precautions that pilots follow in order to ensure their passengers are protected by falling into deep sleep along with a cocky attitude of being better than everyone else.
Will Atwood definitely not just some company, I’ve worked for 4 different major companies and a tanker company on top of that. Plus obviously I spent quite a bit of time with others. It’s not normal, and especially not like that.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
I’m terribly sorry for the loss of your friend. I’m sure you’ve heard this but I think just 1 person - ONE! - has died on a commercial USA airline flight in the last 10+ years. The woman who was sitting near the wing when the engine self destructed and a part was launched and happened to strike the very window she was seated at (it was on all the news a few years ago.) When you compare the numbers, it’s something like 400,000,000 people flying every year. Take the number of years since anyone else died and x400M to get the average annual death rate, and compare it to fatal automobile accidents (in which your odds of death in a single year are 1 in 101😳) and it works out to something like: you would have to LIVE your entire LIFE aboard an airliner flying 24/7.....and live to be 157 years old, before you’d finally reach the same average risk of death as 1 year of normal auto driving.
@@lisaschuster9187 It doesn’t. It helps the 99.99999998% of people who will never find themselves hurtling towards terrain, but who may nevertheless have an irrational fear of flying.
All it takes is for one bad captain and a bunch of people are dead and the company is out millions. He screwed everything up and on top of that, had he not tried to go around, they'd all be alive. He was suffering from a bad case of idiocy.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
yes😔 . and i say this not as someone from India.. but matter of factly.. ...the safety standards of PIA.. that too ..when it pertains the cockpit crew.. have been really down in the dumps
it is over glamourised buddy. also, you can only be qualified to say so.. if you been through the grind (back to back flights, shorr layovers, fugly hotels) . anyway.. this prick must only have been in it for the money
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
@@sailaab Indian labour laws and minority laws are grossly inappropriate and mollycoddle the labours and minorities. When someone tries to reform these laws, his character gets assassinated. The same thing happened to the current Indian Prime Minister, but he was smart enough to turn the political tables on the so-called minorities.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
As a passenger Mangalore Airport is still quite scary. Even in the best of times, the landing can be jarring. I think I've been in three flights that landed there (in fact I was there from around 2012 to 2015), one of them in bad weather where the pilot circled us around for some time, then put the aircraft down pretty hard. The other times were much smoother but you can feel the braking force the pilots put in everytime. Funnily enough the smoothest landing I've ever felt has been an ex-air force aviator at another hilly airport. She touched the ATR-72 down so smoothly I never even felt the wheels hit the ground!
The air crash investigation and seconds before disaster that I used to watch on nat geo and discovery channel was the reason I clicked on one of these videos and ended up binging up a lot of your videos. They are great and highly informative. Although if you can increase the audio quality that would make it top-notch.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
Interestingly, the Captain was Zlatco Glusica,55 years, of British and Serbian nationality.He had 7500 hours of command experience and had landed in Mangalore 16 times before.First officer HS Ahluwalia,40 , had landed there 66 times before... familiarity indeed breeds contempt..
*Crew Resource Management, CRM. Or the lack of... and a bit of get-home-itis* Was my constant thought throughout this report, as is the case when learning the factors involved in many air disasters. While in the US Coast Guard we were incessantly trained in CRM, and it was a constant theme in all areas from ground maintenance to preflight briefings and even brought up during inflight conversations. It’s easy to look back now and wonder how a something so simple took until the late ‘80s to even become a thing. I remember when first presented with the concept not appreciating it’s importance. I mean, at first glance etiquette and cultural customs don’t seem like obvious killers. But I believe now the focus on the crew’s communication and decision-making and how they can make tiny problems devolve into catastrophic crashes was one of the greatest advances in aviation safety. Also, I really enjoy your videos. I appreciate you not constantly inserting pleas to share and subscribe and “smash a like button.” It’s refreshing how you present clear, well written and researched content (which then makes me actually want to like and subscribe, ha.)
Fix: have cameras in the cockpit on the pilot and copilot. So you can see what they are looking at and doing. hide them so they dont know they’re being watched. The good ones don’t have anything to hide.
The regulation that the captain must be the one at the controls for tabletop airports in India seems to be a bad idea. Both this disaster and Air India Express 1344 involved captains ignoring the first officer's go around and overshooting the runway. I'm guessing that the rule that the captain must be in charge reinforces the tendency for him to feel he's solely in command, making him feel more comfortable ignoring the first officer.
Manglore's next airport is Kannur international Airport. then its next airport is Calicut International Airport which is also a Table Top. Recently plane accident happend there on 07/08/2020. Thankfully plane did not explode but sad thing was we lost some lifes including Captain and the first officer. But majority of the people were safe. As per what I learned, 1.captain landed far from landing spot on the runway. So there had no space for the aircraft to go further and went down because it is table top airport. And aircraft already passed runway end. 2. He landed along with wind (I dont know technical term) which means wind is towards tail. As a result aircraft got additional push. (Usually wind should be towards nose I guess) 3. It was raining so runway was wet. There may be chance of aquaplaning. You can collect more information.
Kannur airport is pretty close to Mangalore airport but at the time of this accident it was not built... The Kannur airport was officially inaugurated only last year..
Isn't this weird how many of these accidents happen with "very experienced" crew? Does it mean that they are held in such high regard that these captains feel immortal?
Lily.. you being silly.. . Would not surprise me if you from the country which chose Donald Trump to head the government. . The same Donald Trump who ensured millions die.. rsther than impose lockdowns in early 2020
He may be in post sleep drowsiness and disorientation ,which may effect judgement.Also the timing of the flight is very wrong considering it to be table top.I hold Air india equally responsible.
Air India is a total LaLa company, while working with other domestic airline, I had noticed what blatant disregard people at Air India had for SOPs. Once we saw in the bay area one of the Airbus A310s was getting ready for the start, as a clear instruction drivers are instructed to never drive from under the wing of an aircraft. Yet the operator of the step ladder tried to drive away from under the wing and it got stuck in the wing while the engines were starting. We saw the sparks coming out and knowing full well the amount of fuel in the wing, I thought we're done for here. But thankfully the pilot turned off the engines. Later on we found out the guy operating the step ladder did not even have proper clearance to operate in that area and so the insurance people refused to pay up for the damage. No wonder the airline was wasting taxpayer money in billions for years. Hopefully the TATAs will get it in line.
the precise explanation for this would be that a camera will burn down very easily. even the black box, which is said to be near-invincible, almost got burnt, so a camera will definetely be burned. even in the blackbox, the camera will require a glass pane, which will make the black box anything but invincible.
@@leep1285 even if the video is stored inside of the same box, it would still burn down the footage a lot, as we can see in the video it burned down the recordings. i dont think it would be economical to have the video store somewhere else in the aircraft as the wiring is too much intricate already and the camera wire connecting to the storage space will pose several positioning problems with the jet engines' operator wires. also, making some wire come out of the blackbox to go somewhere in the plane will make the opening completely vulnerable to outside fires and the camera will only show the terrified as hell faces of the pilots so that wouldn't give more info than a simple sound recorder :)
The stats don't lie. Increasing the risk of cashing is as follows: fly with a crap airline, in bad weather at night dramatically increases the chance of a crash
Isn't there a thing like togo-switches and it'll set the plane for go-around and increase thrust immediately. I imagine this might be made to not easily be turned off again for situations like this...
This came to my recommendations after another tragic air india crash here in kerala, south india, 19 souls have been lost, this too a table top runway, weather was so bad and there is no visibility at all, plane overshoot the runway and fell into a 45ft ditch, plane broke into 3, the pandemic threat was really high there but still a heroic rescue was conducted by the locals and authority, unfortunately some of them got affected by covid19 after the rescue Pardon my english
just wondering, whats the consequences of "go around"? Any extra paper work or explaination need to be done? I wish the system was designed to encourage pilots to go-around (if go around and land safely, no question will be asked.) so the pilots won't hesitate to do it.
Similar incident happened again this month in kochin international airport on the table top runway. Same plane, air India Express from Dubai to kochin, due to wet runway the plane skid and went down the hill. Captain was aware and saved the plane on time, but pilot and copilot died on spot as they crashed into a wall.
SOP should be: first officer mentions go around, it automatically triggers a go around. After you reach safe altitude, do the go around, once on ground can discuss it.
Fraud and corruption permeates everything in India, setting aside professionalism and pride of work. Thus, the pilots, or anyone else for that matter, will never follow what is written down but the verbal and nonverbal cues that come from the management and, more importantly, the "powers that be." No wonder that India finds itself in the top 10 list of countries with the most accidents/fatalities. As a result, the country will continue to provide you with a regular, steady flow of opportunities to investigate its frequent air crashes forever and ever because things are only getting worse.
Air india express IX1344 repeated the same accident in kerala, karippur airport before some days..its also table top runway....may be due to bad climate , error of pilot or any mechanical failures. Plane fall to a 35 feet depth broken in 3 pieces...20 died...including 2 pilots...
Some of the unsaid factors in this video is - Pressure on the pilots not to do hard landing by Air India. This pilot and others have been cautioned on hard landings before
Don’t airlines review all flight data as a matter of course? So that even if they did manage to get away with unsatbilized approach, there would be questions asked? Therefore, there would be no advantage to avoiding a go around? It seems that perhaps the pilots rally did not want to deal with something like a go around and that the copilot was not powerful enough to initiate a go around.
Nope. Landing on a tabletop runway requires nothing less than a precise approach and that is the reason why only captains are allowed to perform takeoffs and landings at that Airport. If a first officer attempts to land a plane there, it'll most likely increase the chances of something going wrong.
3 June 2010, the Government of India appointed the Former Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Bhushan Nilkanth Gokhale, as head of a Court of Inquiry to investigate the air crash.[59] The "Gokhale Inquiry" was to investigate the reasons behind the crash[59] and submit its findings by 31 August 2010, a deadline later extended by a month to 30 September 2010.[60] The Government also appointed four experts to this Court of Inquiry to assist in the investigation.[59] The Court of Inquiry started its investigations by visiting the crash site on 7 June 2010,[61] and visited all eight crash survivors to gather information.[61] On 17 August 2010, the Court of Inquiry began a three-day public hearing in Mangalore to interview airport officials and witnesses.[62] On day one, airport and airline officials deposed that the aircraft had approached at an altitude higher than usual, and that it had landed beyond the landing zone (LDZ). They also mentioned that the airport's radar was operational from 20 May 2010.[63] The airport chief fire officer testified that crash tenders had taken four minutes to reach the aircraft[62] because the road leading away from the airport perimeter to the crash site was very narrow and undulating. On day two, a transcript of the cockpit to ATC conversation was released,[64] which indicated that the co-pilot had suggested a "go around" after the pilot informed ATC that it was 'clear to land'.[64] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express_Flight_812
The latest one also at Kerala was a big mistake in not flying to another airport when conditions were not favorable, its silly thou but then cost some lives. Pilot error as such
Great video. I have a question out of ignorance: what happens when the plane needs to do another loop before landing? Do they investigate on the reason why? Or why would the captain have tried to land it on the first approach? Pride?
When initiating a go around,due to,for example,losing visual contact with the runway,there wouldn't usually be an investigation into why the first landing attempt was aborted.As to the captain of this flight who decided to land against his copilots advice,it could have been down to pure arrogance on the captain's part or it could have been due to tiredness,and therefore a desire to get on the ground as quickly as possible.
Some comments mention Indian culture as a factor here, where the Captain ignored the First Officer. As an interesting point, the Captain was Zlatko Glušica, aged 55, a former employee of Jat Airways of Serbia,
Wow. I’m not a pilot, but anyone who’s paid attention knows how long it takes for a high bypass turbofan to spool up. It can take sometimes 15 seconds or more to get any useful thrust, which is why a go-around after reverse are selected is expressly prohibited. Once reversers are selected, you are committed to the landing. You can go around at any point for any reason prior to reverser selection, IIRC - or minimum decision altitude may also play a part, but what do I know. Think of reverser selection as V1 for landings: once they are selected, you are committed to the landing. But again, I’m not a pilot, so I have no idea what I’m talking about. I just watch a lot of videos from other pilots.
I love the videos of good old Atatürk aiport; probably filmed from the terrace of the Lavazza coffee in the Fly-Inn mall - where I wrote a greater part of my bachelor's thesis...
Pilots: Captain Zlatko Glušica and First Officer Harbinder Singh Ahluwalia. Glušica (55), was a former employee of Jat Airways of Serbia and Ahluwalia(40) was a former employee of Jet Airways who later joined Air India Express in 2009.
Most of these amazing videos leave me with a feeling that I learned something, but this one leaves me with nothing but sadness. This accident could have and should have been avoided. Totally irresponsible behavior of the captain, no other words for it.
I have had similar incidents like this working with flight captains in the USAF. We were not flying, but manning a SAC command post. I had to jump on the captain because he would not respond to a Emergency Action Message. It's required that boths of us respond and take separate actions.
I have literally done this screeching dive in Flight Sim when I screw up the autopilot, ha. But it's tragic that it was a real accident. It didn't have to happen.
Poor co pilot maybe worried he might lose his license if he took over 🙁 he would've got insubordination if he took over controls and a fight in a cockpit would be imminent
Looking at this now you start to see some really disturbing similarities to PIA 8380. That similar trying to takeoff again after spoilers and reverse thrusters have been engaged for example. That's gonna be a fun one when that report finally comes out.
The airport is right beside my College and my classmates witnessed this horror...one of the witness mentioned that people were trapped inside burning cabin and the cry for help could be heard far... 😭
Man is this hard to hear! The co-pilot was doing everything during at least part of the flight and pleaded with the captain to go around. I'm not placing blame on the FO but there was a major problem with this flight! The captain wasn't thinking straight, for most of the flight. Obviously the FO nor captain wanted this outcome, just proves how important it is to be assertive, to take control when things aren't right. My prayers go out to the crew and passengers of this flight, God Bless you all!
I think he said it was a critical airport or something and only certified captain are allowed to land or something in the beginning, afterall he wasn`t.
Hey speedbrake, when I made the video I didnt have permission to use videos of air india express 737s, doing so without permission would have infringed on someone else's copyright and so I decided to use footage from a creator who let me use their library. Thanks for the support
The issue to learn here is that there are Captains of planes and ships who have huge ego issues. They think they know more than everyone else, possess a sense of complacency and invincibility. Not to mention high-handedness and stubbornness.
Sounds like Captain even though asleep, actually descended in enough time, landed it successfully, could have stopped it with runoff area, but THEN took 1st Officer's advice to go around. This has gotta be the definition of snatchin' defeat from the jaws of victory!!
You do not play that game of re-questioning yourself when you make up a decision fully awake. Its the same driving a car, and the traffic lights go yellow - fully awake you just know, ok i'll stop or ok, at that speed and this distance i will run over yellow because otherwise i come to a halt in the middle of the crossing. Now if you are sleepy or tired from a day of work you might be unsure and run over red or break prematurely (depending on your personality and level of aggression) or break too late and then you are the idiot standing in the middle of the road and blocking everybody...
Pilot preferred to listen to his ego instead of let his co-pilot "win" by listening to him, and the outcome was determined by physics which tends to always win when up against ego.
I don’t think it was his ego tho. He was just sleepy and not in a state of mind to make important decisions. Had he been more alert I feel like he would have 100% gone around
Fatigue reduces breadth of thinking and allows fixation.
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The "win" is the problem here. Don't argue on the flight deck. Elaborate the best solution based on facts and on the solution and experience of both sides!
Tragic....
Too many accidents happens because of the captain being arrogant and bossy.
That's sad but very true...
@Bentley Braymen In this case it was both
@Bentley Braymen he wasnt' asleep during actual landing. Just a moron or in some sort of delusional state.
@@partytill10 it's sad they just slept on the wrong moment, as far as I know sleeping is pritty normal during flight.
But if I'm hearing this right he was just waking up and I also have a face while waking up where I'm thinking I'm awake but am not.
At least I hope that this was the case because if not it was not a honest mistake.
@@just-give-me-a-handle-you Yes Pilots are allowed to sleep but only in long haul flight that are more then 10Hrs I think and that too with a third pilot. Pilot present in the cockpit are not allowed to sleep, they have resting area just behind the cockpit.
I remember this accident, the 8 lucky people who survived jumped out when the roof of the plane broke apart on falling onto the deep gourg. They ran and barely made it out when the flight fully caught fire and exploded.
Omggg
Any proof of this bullshit?
@@jaleger2295 I'm not sure why this sounds like bullshit to you..... '"Plane crashes, bursts into flames, 8 people managed to jump out before it burst into flames, they were the only survivors". Uhhh yeah, that sounds exactly like how these types of things happen.
When it is NOT your time to die, sometimes the way you are saved is signally unusual. ...... We all live many times.
@@chriskelly4299I know more than him, I am a resident of Bangalore ( I lived in mangalore in 2009) near baajpe airport (mangalore airport) I went to the crash site, the victims were carried out in stretchers and they said that when the plane broke apart they got flinged out of their seats and fell onto the gorge below. I fly air India express to this day. (This airline is not affiliated with air India, it’s a entirely different airline)
Senior authority worship culture exists in most parts of the world and there need to be strict training to knock that out of pilots.
I have worked with Indians in the high tech industries. They're mostly very good in what they do, but I noticed the seniors do get tough on their junior Indian counterparts against the orgs ethos. This pilot was arrogant
@@mutka2003 i have had to reprimand a lot of seniors for that behavior here, I actually sent back to India some that did not want to change and kept looking down to the jr's instead of teaching them as they are supposed to.
Those with power think they are gods and will ruin anyone standing up to them. Thank god there are no humans with superpowers. Also why only after this F/O was given powers to take over. Also go around became a non punitive action. Air India was to be blamed fully for taking punitive action for go arounds.
@@mutka2003 this is precisely why I left India and I am indian !
After the Korean and Japan Air crashes.. things changed somewhat *on paper.*
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But often, say: Tenerefe crash, besides being senior authority.. just the stature or the aura of the person/persons too males one duck☹
I had so-cal approach put me way too high on an approach once. They cleared us for the approach and we just said, "unable, we're going missed." About 5 minutes later, we were safely on the ground. Had we been stupid and accepted the clearance, we would've gone off the runway. It's short and was raining at the time, and we had higher approach speeds for stall protection due to ice accretion earlier in the flight. Moral of the story, never be afraid to go missed. It's simple, you won't get in trouble for it, and it's safe.
Just like people freaking out when they miss a highway exit.
Just take the next one.
thanks for sharing
Indeed, i guess most professional, and many non professional, pilots have had that happen to them. Had once a controller set me up 2000ft too high for an ILS in Paris Orly, it took four "Unable" to get through to the controller, but we got a descent clearance, a short racetrack via vectors, and then landed safely.
Likewise in Zürich, Switzerland, where it is very common to get an ILS clearance while being too high and with a tailwind (during the day, ILS 14 is usually in use for political noise reasons). One "unable" there was enough, we got a 360° on the spot and then could start our ILS safely.
In this accident though, the main culprit was the crew setting themselves up being too high.
Safe? Life-saving!
Many airlines demand on time, on schedule. Especially budget airlines. So some pilot would risk it, especially when it was he fault for missing the landing opportunity
Co pilot was within his right to take over the controls and he should have.
Shoulda woulda coulda'. Shit situation all around.
That still doesn't make what the captain did ok, tho.
I think he said it was a critical airport or something and only certified captain are allowed to land or something in the beginning
only capt allow to take off and landing on that airport so the co-pilot didnt have a choice
Satrio Budiharjo Yauri Perhaps the copilot couldn’t have landed, but he could have done the go around.
If you ever end up in that position sat next to Captain Hubris, if he doesn't listen to your call for a go around, press the PTT button and call a "Going Around" to ATC.
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captain took the life of that sensible first officer . Also passengers. all these incidents are of inappropriate approaching heights and speed..recently PIA 8303. Captains must be trained regularly even if they hv experience of over 10yrs. Just to remind them that co pilot is not a joke.
proper rest even better
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@Sumair Siddiqui it was pilot error. Preliminary report has been released. Completely disregarded ATC warnings to go around multiple times, was way too fast and too high. In the process it seems they even got confused about which way the landing gear lever goes, as they raised the gear before landing. Complete and utter morons IMO.
@@thebigmacd what has IMO to do with this? More like ICAO I guess!
@@nativeafroeurasian warning...my dad joke meter may be broken. In...my...opinion.
Flight training 101 : never force an aircraft to land.
Nah it should be never force passenger plane to do anything stupid without a reason
You can force any aircraft to land..... once. lol.
It’s policy in Most US carriers that if either of the crew says go around the plane is required to go around without question. But other cultures put captain in command instead of the crew working as a team. While the PIC is ultimately responsible the crew should always work as closely to equals as possible. At the end of the day both will probably be killed if something goes wrong. Korean Airlines had a horrible track record of this.
If I was 1st officer I would have jsut executed a go around - self preservation and preservation of the whole plane.
@@partytill10 The fact that the captain decision is should be more biased when landing on that airport make this event much worse
Well, i guess in India and other countries in middle east have the person who has higher authority than you being "unquestionable", i guess that's why also they allow only the captain to perform approach and landing on that airport
This is common of cultures with more hierarchical structures. Interestingly, the Aussies are known to have the best Crew Resource Management as they have one of the least hierarchical cultures.
@@Zekrom569 The captain was not even Indian. He was an expatriate, from one of the ex-soviet republics if I'm not mistaken.
Captain to be Pilot flying in some of these airports as they are the more experienced crew member of the two.
But of course the fact that you think India is in the Middle East goes a long way to show your ignorance.
This is the kind of landing I've often done in various flight sim games. "Too high? Too fast? No problem, we'll get 'er down!"
Yeah like we got rev and full brake plus drifting on the runway to slow down
Air india should not recruit such captain pilot or kick them out. I feel pity for first officer he was helpless. If he was in command of landling he would safed the life of all.
people in India take government jobs at 22 just to retire at 60 without any plans to be productive or to do good for the organization \, no wonder all government entities are bankrupt despite having a headstart of over 10year
@@oksowhat that was a serbian captain
@@oksowhat woah woah
Good pilots dont work for Air India. Theu get snatched away primarily by Gulf Carriers who pays more.
Air India is the worst airline in all of Asia in my opinion
The Pilots have a complete disregard of safety and often dont even refer to the checklist... no pilot is wearing their actual uniform- like the tie and stuff
He can sleep for three trillion years now.
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But what about the Christian GOD!? 😂
Or any big religion God for that matter.
Travis Studnicki He was from India. Not likely a Christian.
@@label1877 the pilot was a Serbian expat
If anyone in the cockpit or at the radio calls go around, then you go around. The go around order will never be quiestiond,
you mean should never be questioned
I am a doctor hoping to specialise in intensive care. As someone who works in time-critical situations (e.g. resuscitating a crashing patient), I really enjoy your commentary on human factors that contribute to aviation accidents.
This video taught me that there's a formal name for something healthcare workers know intuitively - that cognitive performance is impaired on night shifts. We call it "night-shift brain"... but I'll be empowering colleagues to use WOCL from now on!
There were two key factors to the crash which got overlooked.
1) When they asked for descend, some other traffic made a call at the same time resulting in a VHF block tone and further adding to the delay the area controller kept them on standby for descend.
2) The crm of Air India Express was under question with expat and senior captains deciding not to follow the company manuals on multiple occasions. First Officers who decided to complain were just de-rostered and shuffled to fly with different captains.
Quite remarkable there were no repercussions for controllers. Before flight 812 arrives they are supposed to change shifts but the same controllers are overworked into receiving 812 before the next shift arrives.
Thanks for the comment. In this case, the pilot was Zlatko Glušica.
@@death_parade zlatko glusica was the captain, harbinder singh ahluwalia was the first officer.
You could have easily made disrespectful remarks about the conduct of the captain but you did not. It is beautiful how you go about such cases, with so much dignity. It's almost impossible to find such decorum nowadays, thank you
the regulation requiring the captain to be the one landing probably prevented the first officer from taking over
I think “how falling asleep on the job can be deadly” is super self explanatory when your job is flying an airliner. Gonna watch anyway, of course
Not necessarily, you'd be surprised how little they actually control manually and all the stories of how many pilots actually sleep on the job.
Will Atwood I’m a pilot, used to fly cargo and I’ve never flown with pilots that slept when they didn’t have a relief and werent mandated by law. I know it happens, but not like this case, and I doubt I’d be surprised at the actual statistics
I see where you're coming from, but you're just one company out of the rest. With that said, I don't believe there is an actual mandate, in writing, the expressively states wether pilots can or cannot sleep in the cockpit. Employer regulations may apply that in their rule book to their pilots but I don't believe the FAA has said that specifically. Also, Canada and Australia (I may be wrong on this, it may be another country) have laws allowing pilots to sleep in the cockpit for a maximum of 45 min. citing that these power naps actually improve their response and functionality throughout flights. However the pilot in this video has blatantly shown utter disregard for any and all safety precautions that pilots follow in order to ensure their passengers are protected by falling into deep sleep along with a cocky attitude of being better than everyone else.
Will Atwood definitely not just some company, I’ve worked for 4 different major companies and a tanker company on top of that. Plus obviously I spent quite a bit of time with others. It’s not normal, and especially not like that.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
My friend was on that flight, it broke me down that morning...Ive been afraid of flying ever since although i still do.
I’m terribly sorry for the loss of your friend.
I’m sure you’ve heard this but I think just 1 person - ONE! - has died on a commercial USA airline flight in the last 10+ years. The woman who was sitting near the wing when the engine self destructed and a part was launched and happened to strike the very window she was seated at (it was on all the news a few years ago.)
When you compare the numbers, it’s something like 400,000,000 people flying every year. Take the number of years since anyone else died and x400M to get the average annual death rate, and compare it to fatal automobile accidents (in which your odds of death in a single year are 1 in 101😳) and it works out to something like: you would have to LIVE your entire LIFE aboard an airliner flying 24/7.....and live to be 157 years old, before you’d finally reach the same average risk of death as 1 year of normal auto driving.
sorry to hear that..
..may your friend hsve more peace and better afterlife
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may you heal and overcome the painfull memories
@@Syclone0044, But how does knowing this help as the plane is hurtling towards the terrain?
@@lisaschuster9187 It doesn’t. It helps the 99.99999998% of people who will never find themselves hurtling towards terrain, but who may nevertheless have an irrational fear of flying.
@@Syclone0044 nice calculation. But what’s the calculation for international flight ?
All it takes is for one bad captain and a bunch of people are dead and the company is out millions. He screwed everything up and on top of that, had he not tried to go around, they'd all be alive. He was suffering from a bad case of idiocy.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
Similar disaster happened with PIA flight 8303 on 22nd May 2020 . A stubborn pilot flying too high and too fast for landing. Not listening to ATC
yes😔
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and i say this not as someone from India.. but matter of factly..
...the safety standards of PIA.. that too ..when it pertains the cockpit crew.. have been really down in the dumps
@@sailaab 😄
Millions Dream To even Get to the Cockpit ... And some just Snore in the Precious moments !
it is over glamourised buddy.
also, you can only be qualified to say so.. if you been through the grind (back to back flights, shorr layovers, fugly hotels)
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anyway.. this prick must only have been in it for the money
I was studying in Mangalore at the time this accident happened. It was so surreal, many parents and students were on it. RIP.
classic airport problem...
"Yess, build the airport where there is ravine nearby."
Not easy when farmers don’t give their land and protest
@@richadixit3758 are you joking? Build elsewhere, it’s not up to working people to give up the only thing they own (in most cases)
You've never heard the complaint "why is the airport so far away from the city?"
But the land was so cheap
Richa Dixit.. great... lets roll all forest land into farmland and gradually all farmland into concrete structures
Co pilot Capt Ahluwalia had over 60 landings at mangalore as against the pilot in command who had only 20 landings at mangalore Airport.
Everything the captain owned should be sold to compensate the families of the victims. This wasn't pilot error it was criminal recklessness.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
@@sailaab Indian labour laws and minority laws are grossly inappropriate and mollycoddle the labours and minorities. When someone tries to reform these laws, his character gets assassinated. The same thing happened to the current Indian Prime Minister, but he was smart enough to turn the political tables on the so-called minorities.
This lazy and Irresponsible captain got everyone killed,.. RIP and may God bless the families and very few survivors. 😢
Maybe captain was drunk too much
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
As a passenger Mangalore Airport is still quite scary. Even in the best of times, the landing can be jarring. I think I've been in three flights that landed there (in fact I was there from around 2012 to 2015), one of them in bad weather where the pilot circled us around for some time, then put the aircraft down pretty hard. The other times were much smoother but you can feel the braking force the pilots put in everytime.
Funnily enough the smoothest landing I've ever felt has been an ex-air force aviator at another hilly airport. She touched the ATR-72 down so smoothly I never even felt the wheels hit the ground!
🥺🥺🥺 now I am terrified about landing there
The air crash investigation and seconds before disaster that I used to watch on nat geo and discovery channel was the reason I clicked on one of these videos and ended up binging up a lot of your videos. They are great and highly informative. Although if you can increase the audio quality that would make it top-notch.
Imagine being the copilot and being so helpless around this fool. He killed those people.
Ironically, the Labour Court in Bombay.. held the employer liable.. to pay $5500×135.56 (a figure specified by the Workmen Compensation Act as per the age of the employee and taking half of the $11000 per month salary) to the next of the kin of the Sleeping Beauty Zlatko Glušica!
@@sailaab you literally just ctrl+v your reply w this to many comments
@@kuro9410_ilust Nothing wrong with that. He is doing everyone a service.
who killed the people? i assume your talking about the captain
Interestingly, the Captain was Zlatco Glusica,55 years, of British and Serbian nationality.He had 7500 hours of command experience and had landed in Mangalore 16 times before.First officer HS Ahluwalia,40 , had landed there 66 times before... familiarity indeed breeds contempt..
And this is why CRM is important.
Crew Resource Management
so true
Too high on approach. A go around may be embarrassing but why would you risk dropping off the end of an already short runway to save face?
*Crew Resource Management, CRM. Or the lack of... and a bit of get-home-itis*
Was my constant thought throughout this report, as is the case when learning the factors involved in many air disasters. While in the US Coast Guard we were incessantly trained in CRM, and it was a constant theme in all areas from ground maintenance to preflight briefings and even brought up during inflight conversations.
It’s easy to look back now and wonder how a something so simple took until the late ‘80s to even become a thing. I remember when first presented with the concept not appreciating it’s importance. I mean, at first glance etiquette and cultural customs don’t seem like obvious killers. But I believe now the focus on the crew’s communication and decision-making and how they can make tiny problems devolve into catastrophic crashes was one of the greatest advances in aviation safety.
Also, I really enjoy your videos. I appreciate you not constantly inserting pleas to share and subscribe and “smash a like button.” It’s refreshing how you present clear, well written and researched content (which then makes me actually want to like and subscribe, ha.)
"I want to go peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather did. Not screaming, like his passengers."
Fix: have cameras in the cockpit on the pilot and copilot. So you can see what they are looking at and doing. hide them so they dont know they’re being watched. The good ones don’t have anything to hide.
There are actually 8 critical airfields, but 3: Mangalore, Kozhikode and Lengpui, have table top runways
The regulation that the captain must be the one at the controls for tabletop airports in India seems to be a bad idea. Both this disaster and Air India Express 1344 involved captains ignoring the first officer's go around and overshooting the runway. I'm guessing that the rule that the captain must be in charge reinforces the tendency for him to feel he's solely in command, making him feel more comfortable ignoring the first officer.
Manglore's next airport is Kannur international Airport.
then its next airport is Calicut International Airport which is also a Table Top.
Recently plane accident happend there on 07/08/2020.
Thankfully plane did not explode but sad thing was we lost some lifes including Captain and the first officer. But majority of the people were safe.
As per what I learned,
1.captain landed far from landing spot on the runway. So there had no space for the aircraft to go further and went down because it is table top airport. And aircraft already passed runway end.
2. He landed along with wind (I dont know technical term) which means wind is towards tail. As a result aircraft got additional push.
(Usually wind should be towards nose I guess)
3. It was raining so runway was wet.
There may be chance of aquaplaning.
You can collect more information.
Kannur airport is pretty close to Mangalore airport but at the time of this accident it was not built... The Kannur airport was officially inaugurated only last year..
zaheem schemnad I don’t understand why they cannot build Airports on a safe leveled areas ?
@@unmaivirumbhi57 Western Ghats?
@@unmaivirumbhi57 The entire state of Kerala and the western coastal part of Karnataka lies in western ghats...
The fire extinguisher is not only for putting out fires it's also a good tool for knocking out suicidal captains over the head .
Isn't this weird how many of these accidents happen with "very experienced" crew? Does it mean that they are held in such high regard that these captains feel immortal?
"complacency" :)
That so-called “captain”🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 pisses me off. Is there any way for a copilot to take charge in a situation like this???
Hmm, maybe set throttle to full, that would likely press the captain to go around, but would be desastrous if he did not...
India is very good at killing human being. ...
Lily.. you being silly..
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Would not surprise me if you from the country which chose Donald Trump to head the government.
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The same Donald Trump who ensured millions die.. rsther than impose lockdowns in early 2020
@@LP-zc6rh The Captain was Serbian (Zlatko Glušica). Go fcuk yourself with your bias now.
@@sailaab no I'm not for your kind information. ..
He may be in post sleep drowsiness and disorientation ,which may effect judgement.Also the timing of the flight is very wrong considering it to be table top.I hold Air india equally responsible.
Me at 3am 😲😁. I'm wide awake. Somethings wrong with my circadian rhythm lol
Air India is a total LaLa company, while working with other domestic airline, I had noticed what blatant disregard people at Air India had for SOPs. Once we saw in the bay area one of the Airbus A310s was getting ready for the start, as a clear instruction drivers are instructed to never drive from under the wing of an aircraft. Yet the operator of the step ladder tried to drive away from under the wing and it got stuck in the wing while the engines were starting. We saw the sparks coming out and knowing full well the amount of fuel in the wing, I thought we're done for here. But thankfully the pilot turned off the engines. Later on we found out the guy operating the step ladder did not even have proper clearance to operate in that area and so the insurance people refused to pay up for the damage. No wonder the airline was wasting taxpayer money in billions for years. Hopefully the TATAs will get it in line.
Honestly all pilots should be forced to watch videos like these so they realize the consequences of a mistake at a critical moment.
It is already mandatory learning in human performance modules for ATPLs/ATPs
The date is incorrect bro ..it was 2010 ..
Rite !
The speed limit for Flaps 10 is 210 KIAS, though!
Same thing happened again.to high ,pushed it down, landed on runway with gear up, go around, crashed
Why can't they put a video camera in with audio in the cockpit??🤔
Ya I agree. They have audio but no video. Makes sense to have both I guess
the precise explanation for this would be that a camera will burn down very easily. even the black box, which is said to be near-invincible, almost got burnt, so a camera will definetely be burned. even in the blackbox, the camera will require a glass pane, which will make the black box anything but invincible.
@@namr1174 True the camera will burn but the video will be saved elsewhere right?
@@leep1285 even if the video is stored inside of the same box, it would still burn down the footage a lot, as we can see in the video it burned down the recordings. i dont think it would be economical to have the video store somewhere else in the aircraft as the wiring is too much intricate already and the camera wire connecting to the storage space will pose several positioning problems with the jet engines' operator wires. also, making some wire come out of the blackbox to go somewhere in the plane will make the opening completely vulnerable to outside fires
and the camera will only show the terrified as hell faces of the pilots so that wouldn't give more info than a simple sound recorder :)
@@pineappleroad yes, you are correct, i heard of it too. it was rejected later due to (some of the) same reasons as stated above.
The stats don't lie. Increasing the risk of cashing is as follows: fly with a crap airline, in bad weather at night dramatically increases the chance of a crash
"crap airline"? Care to give me a list and how it was compiled?
“Irrespective “ I’ll be looking that one up!!! If we’re 1st officer, I would have taken control of that plane!
Yeah fker would have had to literallay fight me off coz fighting for my and everyone else's life.
Isn't there a thing like togo-switches and it'll set the plane for go-around and increase thrust immediately. I imagine this might be made to not easily be turned off again for situations like this...
This came to my recommendations after another tragic air india crash here in kerala, south india, 19 souls have been lost, this too a table top runway, weather was so bad and there is no visibility at all, plane overshoot the runway and fell into a 45ft ditch, plane broke into 3, the pandemic threat was really high there but still a heroic rescue was conducted by the locals and authority, unfortunately some of them got affected by covid19 after the rescue
Pardon my english
just wondering, whats the consequences of "go around"? Any extra paper work or explaination need to be done? I wish the system was designed to encourage pilots to go-around (if go around and land safely, no question will be asked.) so the pilots won't hesitate to do it.
No...just extra time and some calculations...basically repeating the entire maneuver again
That airport is too small for the traffic that it receives! Sleeping doesn't help the situation.
Your show prep is superb! I thoroughly enjoy your videos.
Thank you 😊
Similar incident happened again this month in kochin international airport on the table top runway. Same plane, air India Express from Dubai to kochin, due to wet runway the plane skid and went down the hill. Captain was aware and saved the plane on time, but pilot and copilot died on spot as they crashed into a wall.
It's kozhikode, not Kochi.
SOP should be: first officer mentions go around, it automatically triggers a go around. After you reach safe altitude, do the go around, once on ground can discuss it.
Fraud and corruption permeates everything in India, setting aside professionalism and pride of work. Thus, the pilots, or anyone else for that matter, will never follow what is written down but the verbal and nonverbal cues that come from the management and, more importantly, the "powers that be." No wonder that India finds itself in the top 10 list of countries with the most accidents/fatalities. As a result, the country will continue to provide you with a regular, steady flow of opportunities to investigate its frequent air crashes forever and ever because things are only getting worse.
Air india express IX1344 repeated the same accident in kerala, karippur airport before some days..its also table top runway....may be due to bad climate , error of pilot or any mechanical failures.
Plane fall to a 35 feet depth broken in 3 pieces...20 died...including 2 pilots...
Some of the unsaid factors in this video is - Pressure on the pilots not to do hard landing by Air India. This pilot and others have been cautioned on hard landings before
Don’t airlines review all flight data as a matter of course? So that even if they did manage to get away with unsatbilized approach, there would be questions asked? Therefore, there would be no advantage to avoiding a go around? It seems that perhaps the pilots rally did not want to deal with something like a go around and that the copilot was not powerful enough to initiate a go around.
It sounds like the pilot just wasn't thinking. He just woke up. He was still too drowsy to really understand what he was doing.
Moral: let the captain to sleep until landing,,otherwise he will make you sleep forever!
sad truth
Nope. Landing on a tabletop runway requires nothing less than a precise approach and that is the reason why only captains are allowed to perform takeoffs and landings at that Airport. If a first officer attempts to land a plane there, it'll most likely increase the chances of something going wrong.
3 June 2010, the Government of India appointed the Former Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal Bhushan Nilkanth Gokhale, as head of a Court of Inquiry to investigate the air crash.[59] The "Gokhale Inquiry" was to investigate the reasons behind the crash[59] and submit its findings by 31 August 2010, a deadline later extended by a month to 30 September 2010.[60] The Government also appointed four experts to this Court of Inquiry to assist in the investigation.[59] The Court of Inquiry started its investigations by visiting the crash site on 7 June 2010,[61] and visited all eight crash survivors to gather information.[61]
On 17 August 2010, the Court of Inquiry began a three-day public hearing in Mangalore to interview airport officials and witnesses.[62] On day one, airport and airline officials deposed that the aircraft had approached at an altitude higher than usual, and that it had landed beyond the landing zone (LDZ). They also mentioned that the airport's radar was operational from 20 May 2010.[63] The airport chief fire officer testified that crash tenders had taken four minutes to reach the aircraft[62] because the road leading away from the airport perimeter to the crash site was very narrow and undulating. On day two, a transcript of the cockpit to ATC conversation was released,[64] which indicated that the co-pilot had suggested a "go around" after the pilot informed ATC that it was 'clear to land'.[64] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express_Flight_812
The latest one also at Kerala was a big mistake in not flying to another airport when conditions were not favorable, its silly thou but then cost some lives. Pilot error as such
Dang, imagine being the co-pilot and one of your last thoughts being "the jackass is going to kill us all..."
Great video. I have a question out of ignorance: what happens when the plane needs to do another loop before landing? Do they investigate on the reason why? Or why would the captain have tried to land it on the first approach? Pride?
When initiating a go around,due to,for example,losing visual contact with the runway,there wouldn't usually be an investigation into why the first landing attempt was aborted.As to the captain of this flight who decided to land against his copilots advice,it could have been down to pure arrogance on the captain's part or it could have been due to tiredness,and therefore a desire to get on the ground as quickly as possible.
Some comments mention Indian culture as a factor here, where the Captain ignored the First Officer. As an interesting point, the Captain was Zlatko Glušica, aged 55, a former employee of Jat Airways of Serbia,
Wow. I’m not a pilot, but anyone who’s paid attention knows how long it takes for a high bypass turbofan to spool up. It can take sometimes 15 seconds or more to get any useful thrust, which is why a go-around after reverse are selected is expressly prohibited. Once reversers are selected, you are committed to the landing. You can go around at any point for any reason prior to reverser selection, IIRC - or minimum decision altitude may also play a part, but what do I know.
Think of reverser selection as V1 for landings: once they are selected, you are committed to the landing.
But again, I’m not a pilot, so I have no idea what I’m talking about. I just watch a lot of videos from other pilots.
Moon Moon
For being a non pilot you understand SOP’s very well
I love the videos of good old Atatürk aiport; probably filmed from the terrace of the Lavazza coffee in the Fly-Inn mall - where I wrote a greater part of my bachelor's thesis...
I am extremely disturbed that this happened, so awful and negligent
yeah, the first officer was helpess since it would have resulted in him getting fired if he took control
Imagine what the family had to go through when they came to know that their son's stupidity killed 157 people along with himself.
Pilots: Captain Zlatko Glušica and First Officer Harbinder Singh Ahluwalia. Glušica (55), was a former employee of Jat Airways of Serbia and Ahluwalia(40) was a former employee of Jet Airways who later joined Air India Express in 2009.
Love this channel. Great, very knowledgeable narration. I wonder if the narrator is a pilot himself as he seems to really know his stuff.
Imagine being one of those 8 survivors!
Most of these amazing videos leave me with a feeling that I learned something, but this one leaves me with nothing but sadness. This accident could have and should have been avoided. Totally irresponsible behavior of the captain, no other words for it.
Sometimes it is due to cultures and younger first officers scared to take control. Respect of age and experience cause F.O's to be hesitant 🤦🏽♀️
I have had similar incidents like this working with flight captains in the USAF. We were not flying, but manning a SAC command post. I had to jump on the captain because he would not respond to a Emergency Action Message. It's required that boths of us respond and take separate actions.
Mangalore is my hometown . People burnt alive was a real tragedy . We hadn't seen anything like this before #EduShaman
Why visual imagery shown in this video doesn't represent anything to do with voice over commentary at all....
I have literally done this screeching dive in Flight Sim when I screw up the autopilot, ha. But it's tragic that it was a real accident. It didn't have to happen.
We as human beings we very good & efficient in growing and cultivating a huuuuge ego yet we can't swallow it when the time comes!!
Poor co pilot maybe worried he might lose his license if he took over 🙁 he would've got insubordination if he took over controls and a fight in a cockpit would be imminent
Good old Atatürk airport... I really miss watching the planes from the Fly-In Lavazza terrace.
Looking at this now you start to see some really disturbing similarities to PIA 8380. That similar trying to takeoff again after spoilers and reverse thrusters have been engaged for example. That's gonna be a fun one when that report finally comes out.
The airport is right beside my College and my classmates witnessed this horror...one of the witness mentioned that people were trapped inside burning cabin and the cry for help could be heard far... 😭
Great as always, thanks, Douglas
Mistake #1 in this accident was Air India. Enough said.
Man is this hard to hear! The co-pilot was doing everything during at least part of the flight and pleaded with the captain to go around. I'm not placing blame on the FO but there was a major problem with this flight! The captain wasn't thinking straight, for most of the flight. Obviously the FO nor captain wanted this outcome, just proves how important it is to be assertive, to take control when things aren't right. My prayers go out to the crew and passengers of this flight, God Bless you all!
Captain before flight: "I can fly this plane with my eyes closed."
I think he said it was a critical airport or something and only certified captain are allowed to land or something in the beginning, afterall he wasn`t.
you have a wonderful voice for narration.
What's the thing with all the Turkish airplanes?
Hey speedbrake, when I made the video I didnt have permission to use videos of air india express 737s, doing so without permission would have infringed on someone else's copyright and so I decided to use footage from a creator who let me use their library. Thanks for the support
In a normal landing does the localizer land the plane for you or is it something just to guide you?
I believe you are referring to the ILS which consists of the localizer and glideslope. The airplane can land on its own using this system
Excellent as usual. Thank you!
Just to point out this happened in 2010, not 2012.
The issue to learn here is that there are Captains of planes and ships who have huge ego issues. They think they know more than everyone else, possess a sense of complacency and invincibility. Not to mention high-handedness and stubbornness.
If i was the co-pilot; i will intervene the control, no matter what the consequences is. I can even slap the captain face if necessary
When he tried to cut those reversers, no joke.
Trsvis.. true
Excellent video...as usual...
Bad pilots weed themselves out eventually. The tragic part is they take pax and crew with them.
Sounds like Captain even though asleep, actually descended in enough time, landed it successfully, could have stopped it with runoff area, but THEN took 1st Officer's advice to go around. This has gotta be the definition of snatchin' defeat from the jaws of victory!!
You do not play that game of re-questioning yourself when you make up a decision fully awake. Its the same driving a car, and the traffic lights go yellow - fully awake you just know, ok i'll stop or ok, at that speed and this distance i will run over yellow because otherwise i come to a halt in the middle of the crossing. Now if you are sleepy or tired from a day of work you might be unsure and run over red or break prematurely (depending on your personality and level of aggression) or break too late and then you are the idiot standing in the middle of the road and blocking everybody...
@@A.Lifecraft - What???
@@erwinschmidt7265 when you're sleepy, you second guess yourself.
So glad you upgraded your Mic forgot how bad you used to sound