Thanks for the tip. I conducted this experiment because I wanted to see how the ProPilot performed without interference from my hand on the wheel. The weight worked good. I hung a one pound weight on the right side of the steering wheel, which is the road's edge side. I did not get a hands off wheel alarm and the car did OK most of the time except it was most often in my opinion too closer to the center line than the road's edge. Twice the car left wheels stayed dead on the center line , then in about 15 seconds it crossed the center line, an alarm sounded, the car turned abruptly toward the road's edge, and the system shut down. As I said this happened twice and the center line appeared to be well marked/painted. Once for no apparent reason, and with the car in the lain properly, the wheel suddenly turned toward the road's edge, an alarm sounded, and the system shut down. I had to grab the wheel fast to keep the car from going off the road. I suspect the system is malfunctioning. I don't see code lights but there may be some codes stored in the computer. I checked the tire pressure and all four tires was around 40 psi. I adjusted them to the proper pressure 33 psi. I doubt the tire pressure had anything to do with the car tracking too close to the center line. The shop in this town can't check the wheel alignment, and caster can not be adjusted here or anywhere. If I hit a big pot hole in the road it is going to be expensive.
To make things simple. You push the ProPilot button, set the desired speed and then you push Cancel. When on the motorway you simply push Resume+. So when you Cancel and Resume the system remembers the set speed. You don't disengage the system, that zeros out everything. Just correcting what you did not know.
Putting weight either side cancels out the ‘artificial’ load and doesn’t work. To be honest the weight on 1 side doesn’t affect the ability for the car to remain straight. Thanks
What I don't like about it is in stop and go traffic it turns itself off after just three seconds of being stopped! Also even set at it's farthest I feel it is too close to the car in front of it for my comfort. When it is approaching a car in front of it it doesn't gently slow down or give any indication that it knows it will need to slow down until it is very close and then it slows down aggressively.
Yep I have/had the same problem, then I realized I must drive the car, and if I screw up perhaps ProPilot will prevent an accident. And perhaps it won't. I just bought the 2019 Altima SL today and the rear radar or camera? backup warning prevented me from backing into a parked car behind me. It was a tight squeeze getting out of my parking spot.
these systems are not meant for inner city driving. This is for cross country only. If you are using ACC to come to a complete stop at a traffic light then you are doing it wrong.
Thank you for this honest review with the "hands on assist" technology that even Tesla uses. Tesla fanboys wont admit this but it is ANNOYING AS HELL. It's a constant distraction, and you're right it feels like you are fighting something when the wheel is moving around under your palm. Imagine regular cruise control that we all have today, but you have to keep your foot on the pedal! You'd always be thinking about your foot down there especially when you feel the pedal moving. GM SuperCruise and Comma AI are the only true "autopilot" systems that you can play hands off.
@@gregandkaruna6674 I dont really consider that available yet since it's undergoing testing in Japan right now. Also, much like supercruise it will only be allowed on premapped roads. Comma autopilot works literally anywhere.
Excellent video, I was looking for something like this. I think Nissan ProPilot is more capable than it appears but is toned down for safety concerns by Nissan because they need to watch their backs. Also that explains why Nissan says ProPilot 2.0 and 3.0 will be ready very soon, they have a lot work done in advance but it's not showing them all right away until they smooth the rough edges of the system first.
Girahim do you think Nissan will be able to upgrade ProPilot via software similar to how Tesla upgrades Autopilot or will upgrades of ProPilot necessitate a lot more work or even buying a new car?
I'm guessing Nissan and other car manufactures did not develop this system but pays the system owner for the right to put it on their cars. Just a guess
Another issue. When the ProPilot slows the car behind a car that it was following stopped, it never brings my stops my altima completely. If I did not put my foot on the brake the car would slowly roll into the car in front of me. It it responding as designed???? I found the answer on page 5-105 my car should have came to a complete stop with the brake holding, but it didn't.
you drag is how the system detects your hands. It's not pressure sensitive it's torque sensitive, it wants to feel you moving the wheel not just squeezing it. If you balanced the wight then there'd be 0 steering torque.
@@codmott286 So you have tested it? Or just speculsting that makes logical sens?? 😄 edit: other comments seem to imply they tested it and it didn't work.
@@xezzee Yes, a coworker has a model 3 and you have to nudge the wheel every now and then, which might feel like pressure but what it's really detecting are subtle movements in the steering wheel sensor.
Any tips on how to make this Artificial Load? Great Vid btw. I drive my Leaf on Auto Pilot every time I get on the Motoway no matter how short the distance. Sometimes I can get for over 40 miles without ever interrupting the steering. I discovered, by happenstance(because of the slightly awkward driving stance one has to adopt, given the limited adjustability of the steering column), that a slight touching of the steering wheel with my leg stops the 10 second nagging to touch the wheel. I have tested the my Leaf over thousands of motorway and dual carriage way miles to know that it works very well and makes for a very relaxing long drive. Sometimes a have a sneaky feeling that Nissan meant the Leaf to be driven this way, in Pro Pilot mode for those in the know, but feared litigation arising from accidents from vehicles in Pro Pilot mode when the obvious question, as to who was driving, at the time of the incident, is invariably invoked.
David N. Gacuca the weight required is 462 grams. I just welded a piece of steel and a pin together. I fabricated it so it fitted into the LEAF steering wheel 👍
@@grumpyyoungguyreviews4060 I rented an altima, didn't have supplies so I rubber banded a bottle of water and clipped it to the wheel, worked great in a pinch for almost 800 miles (500ml bottle = 500g water thanks chemistry).
Not sure that some of your gripes aren't actually positive features. Some countries undertaking is legal so it needs to be an option. The next gen will need to have integrated SatNav with traffic view / consideration so that overtaking can work safely. It looks to me like we are creating a generation of unskilled drivers which is unlikely to end well. Always going to be risky unless 100% of cars don't have the same standard of system.
MY 2019 Altima SL ProPilot over corrects(zigzag). If I don't correct the zigzag continually gets worse. Does something need adjusted. I can't release the steering wheel very long before the zigzag starts. Also the ProPilot system seems to have a preference to hold the car too close to the center road markers than I like. I have a habit of staying closer to the road's edge away from other vehicles. Can that be adjusted???
yoyohooyo zig zagging is definitely odd, I’ve only driven it on the LEAF but the Qashqai, Altima etc should be the same system + software. It can be recalibrated using nissan’s consult system or various aftermarket tools - That’s where I’d start. Nissan may just say you are meant to be in control and not the car.... If it is biased to one side that could also be a calibration issue. Wheel alignment and tyre pressures also play a big part....
@@grumpyyoungguyreviews4060 This morning if I was not alert with my hand on the steering wheel it would have wrecked me at an intersection. It jerked the steering wheel hard right toward the edge of the road (USA) at an intersection where the road edge markings ended. I think it would be a very bad idea to be confident in this system or drive without a hand on the steering wheel.
@@yoyohooyo you shouldnt be using this system on city streets with intersections, it's not meant for that. It's meant for cross country driving on the interstate with no intersections.
A lot you talk may or may not effect here. We don't have 3 lane roads. Also I am qurious how hard turns it can do going 100km/h or 60miles/h as there are few sharp turns here and there ...
The useful information in this video is about 2 minutes long. It was painful to hear this guy drone on for nearly 30 minutes. Also "hack" implies something technical and useful. Hanging something on the steering wheel takes the average person 30 seconds to try and 20 seconds to see that it is TOO DANGEROUS!!!
Thanks for the tip. I conducted this experiment because I wanted to see how the ProPilot performed without interference from my hand on the wheel. The weight worked good. I hung a one pound weight on the right side of the steering wheel, which is the road's edge side. I did not get a hands off wheel alarm and the car did OK most of the time except it was most often in my opinion too closer to the center line than the road's edge.
Twice the car left wheels stayed dead on the center line , then in about 15 seconds it crossed the center line, an alarm sounded, the car turned abruptly toward the road's edge, and the system shut down. As I said this happened twice and the center line appeared to be well marked/painted.
Once for no apparent reason, and with the car in the lain properly, the wheel suddenly turned toward the road's edge, an alarm sounded, and the system shut down. I had to grab the wheel fast to keep the car from going off the road.
I suspect the system is malfunctioning. I don't see code lights but there may be some codes stored in the computer.
I checked the tire pressure and all four tires was around 40 psi. I adjusted them to the proper pressure 33 psi. I doubt the tire pressure had anything to do with the car tracking too close to the center line.
The shop in this town can't check the wheel alignment, and caster can not be adjusted here or anywhere. If I hit a big pot hole in the road it is going to be expensive.
To make things simple. You push the ProPilot button, set the desired speed and then you push Cancel. When on the motorway you simply push Resume+. So when you Cancel and Resume the system remembers the set speed. You don't disengage the system, that zeros out everything. Just correcting what you did not know.
Putting weight either side cancels out the ‘artificial’ load and doesn’t work. To be honest the weight on 1 side doesn’t affect the ability for the car to remain straight. Thanks
What I don't like about it is in stop and go traffic it turns itself off after just three seconds of being stopped! Also even set at it's farthest I feel it is too close to the car in front of it for my comfort. When it is approaching a car in front of it it doesn't gently slow down or give any indication that it knows it will need to slow down until it is very close and then it slows down aggressively.
Yep I have/had the same problem, then I realized I must drive the car, and if I screw up perhaps ProPilot will prevent an accident. And perhaps it won't.
I just bought the 2019 Altima SL today and the rear radar or camera? backup warning prevented me from backing into a parked car behind me. It was a tight squeeze getting out of my parking spot.
these systems are not meant for inner city driving. This is for cross country only. If you are using ACC to come to a complete stop at a traffic light then you are doing it wrong.
You are just too much of a 🐈
Assuming the newer leaf is a heavier counter weight, closer to 650g
Thank you for this honest review with the "hands on assist" technology that even Tesla uses. Tesla fanboys wont admit this but it is ANNOYING AS HELL. It's a constant distraction, and you're right it feels like you are fighting something when the wheel is moving around under your palm. Imagine regular cruise control that we all have today, but you have to keep your foot on the pedal! You'd always be thinking about your foot down there especially when you feel the pedal moving. GM SuperCruise and Comma AI are the only true "autopilot" systems that you can play hands off.
Wrong! Propilot 2.0 full hands free including lane changing assist
@@gregandkaruna6674 I dont really consider that available yet since it's undergoing testing in Japan right now. Also, much like supercruise it will only be allowed on premapped roads. Comma autopilot works literally anywhere.
@@gregandkaruna6674 I tough Nissan Leaf would not get the new propilot 2.0 so it is lose/lose for Nissan Leaf??
Excellent video, I was looking for something like this.
I think Nissan ProPilot is more capable than it appears but is toned down for safety concerns by Nissan because they need to watch their backs.
Also that explains why Nissan says ProPilot 2.0 and 3.0 will be ready very soon, they have a lot work done in advance but it's not showing them all right away until they smooth the rough edges of the system first.
Girahim do you think Nissan will be able to upgrade ProPilot via software similar to how Tesla upgrades Autopilot or will upgrades of ProPilot necessitate a lot more work or even buying a new car?
I'm guessing Nissan and other car manufactures did not develop this system but pays the system owner for the right to put it on their cars. Just a guess
This is marketed as an assist NOT an autopilot
Another issue. When the ProPilot slows the car behind a car that it was following stopped, it never brings my stops my altima completely. If I did not put my foot on the brake the car would slowly roll into the car in front of me. It it responding as designed????
I found the answer on page 5-105 my car should have came to a complete stop with the brake holding, but it didn't.
sounds like defective radar. Although radar has problems with stopped objects.
Great video - would it not perhaps be worth putting 200 g on either side for a bit more balance, to stop some slight drag to the left
you drag is how the system detects your hands. It's not pressure sensitive it's torque sensitive, it wants to feel you moving the wheel not just squeezing it. If you balanced the wight then there'd be 0 steering torque.
@@codmott286 So you have tested it? Or just speculsting that makes logical sens?? 😄 edit: other comments seem to imply they tested it and it didn't work.
@@xezzee Yes, a coworker has a model 3 and you have to nudge the wheel every now and then, which might feel like pressure but what it's really detecting are subtle movements in the steering wheel sensor.
Any tips on how to make this Artificial Load? Great Vid btw. I drive my Leaf on Auto Pilot every time I get on the Motoway no matter how short the distance. Sometimes I can get for over 40 miles without ever interrupting the steering. I discovered, by happenstance(because of the slightly awkward driving stance one has to adopt, given the limited adjustability of the steering column), that a slight touching of the steering wheel with my leg stops the 10 second nagging to touch the wheel. I have tested the my Leaf over thousands of motorway and dual carriage way miles to know that it works very well and makes for a very relaxing long drive. Sometimes a have a sneaky feeling that Nissan meant the Leaf to be driven this way, in Pro Pilot mode for those in the know, but feared litigation arising from accidents from vehicles in Pro Pilot mode when the obvious question, as to who was driving, at the time of the incident, is invariably invoked.
David N. Gacuca the weight required is 462 grams. I just welded a piece of steel and a pin together. I fabricated it so it fitted into the LEAF steering wheel 👍
@@grumpyyoungguyreviews4060 thanks for the prompt reply with the weight requirements. 😎👍🏾
@@grumpyyoungguyreviews4060 I rented an altima, didn't have supplies so I rubber banded a bottle of water and clipped it to the wheel, worked great in a pinch for almost 800 miles (500ml bottle = 500g water thanks chemistry).
Not sure that some of your gripes aren't actually positive features. Some countries undertaking is legal so it needs to be an option. The next gen will need to have integrated SatNav with traffic view / consideration so that overtaking can work safely.
It looks to me like we are creating a generation of unskilled drivers which is unlikely to end well. Always going to be risky unless 100% of cars don't have the same standard of system.
MY 2019 Altima SL ProPilot over corrects(zigzag). If I don't correct the zigzag continually gets worse. Does something need adjusted. I can't release the steering wheel very long before the zigzag starts. Also the ProPilot system seems to have a preference to hold the car too close to the center road markers than I like. I have a habit of staying closer to the road's edge away from other vehicles. Can that be adjusted???
yoyohooyo zig zagging is definitely odd, I’ve only driven it on the LEAF but the Qashqai, Altima etc should be the same system + software.
It can be recalibrated using nissan’s consult system or various aftermarket tools - That’s where I’d start. Nissan may just say you are meant to be in control and not the car....
If it is biased to one side that could also be a calibration issue. Wheel alignment and tyre pressures also play a big part....
@@grumpyyoungguyreviews4060 This morning if I was not alert with my hand on the steering wheel it would have wrecked me at an intersection. It jerked the steering wheel hard right toward the edge of the road (USA) at an intersection where the road edge markings ended. I think it would be a very bad idea to be confident in this system or drive without a hand on the steering wheel.
@@yoyohooyo you shouldnt be using this system on city streets with intersections, it's not meant for that. It's meant for cross country driving on the interstate with no intersections.
A lot you talk may or may not effect here. We don't have 3 lane roads. Also I am qurious how hard turns it can do going 100km/h or 60miles/h as there are few sharp turns here and there ...
Where do I buy that block with a hook?
Kenny L unfortunately you can’t, I had to make it. There was a company in the USA making something similar for Tesla but it was banned
What did you do to hack it? Did you change the codes?
Nazım Baki no, I just placed a weight on the steering wheel for this test
Did you even watch the video?
The useful information in this video is about 2 minutes long. It was painful to hear this guy drone on for nearly 30 minutes. Also "hack" implies something technical and useful. Hanging something on the steering wheel takes the average person 30 seconds to try and 20 seconds to see that it is TOO DANGEROUS!!!
Not showing the road?? Terrible.
But they did in the turn when it was relevant?