It'll be back later today hopefully. I think I managed to cancel the video's audio when I tried to take it off a section of video in the secret level section :P
@@pierre2396If you read the article and look at their current stat line, the Death Riders are getting changes to their weapons at the least - going from Las Pistols and Death Rider Lances to Las Carbine (assault keyword?) and Frag Lance (melta option?)
I look at the value of a box through the lens of amazon and wahapedia. Rules, free. 2 Squads of Death Riders? 100 bucks. Engineers, 50 bucks. Artillery team 50 bucks. Marshal 30 bucks. 230 dollars MSRP is about right. If it can be found online for 15% off, awesome. If not, still not bad.
Lord Solar Leontus is $62.50 USD, the video says Lord Dreyr should be $58 USD, where do you get $30 from? All of your numbers are below what the video actually suggests.
I’m looking forward to the box. Personally, I don’t mind mixing the different Guard looks. I paint everything my army color and give them their own lore to fit in. Can’t wait to paint them up in a red/black/gold theme.
Not a Krieg fan, but might get into Astra Militarum with my own custom regiment. The positives I take from these new releases is, that I actually have potentially: - 2 choices of fielding cavalry Astra Militarum + maybe a hero leading them - another Artillery option aside from the regular Field Ordonance guns - an Arvus Lighter in plastic for the Legends choices (Horus Heresy releases) So even if I'm not really that much into the WW1 aesthetics, I still see the gain from this release as a kitbasher.
I love running horse spam guard so this pleases me. More horses for the apocalypse! So yes I’ll probably get a box and maybe even a second one if there are still some left in the end
They’re some great looking minis. Hopefully folks can get their hands on some DKoK kill team minis to turn this into the core of an army because I don’t think it’s to be fantastic straight out of the box as an army.
Lord Marshal Dreir. Fortunately Guard already has a HQ on horse in Leontus, so let's go with that - £40 2 x Death Riders. Assuming they're going to cost the same as Attilan Roughriders - £80 Combat Engineer. 5-man 'Elite' unit. I'll be generous here and say GW will charge the same as a box of Scions - £28 Artillery Team. I will again be generous and say GW charges the same as a current 130 mm round base kit, the Onager Dunecrawler - £52.50 So the total value of the box will be £200.50. And that's assuming GW isn't going to do a stealth hike on individual kits. With the literal paperweight included, I'll go ahead and call that GW is going to increase the price of the box set from the christmas boxes, coupled with the popularity of DKoK, the MSRP of this box will be £160. Feel free to come back here in 2 months and give this a like if I'm correct
I think the price will be higher, and many in the community have converted their own guys cavalry or engineers. So many great hobbyists on IG have done fantastic work. The artillery cool but I really wish the Macharius had made its plastic debut. Anyone know the base size of the artillery?
Not too fond of the Lord Marshal's mount. It looks like Dreir is sitting on a giant rocking horse. The rest of the sculpts look pretty dynamic, though. Thumbs-up overall.
I think your points are probably pretty good but without points the only thing that determines if it’s a good deal or not is if you think it’s cool. And it’s pretty cool
I am getting this box, and I need to figure out how to fill out the rest of my 1000 points. I have never liked Cadians, so I will likely go with 3D printed dudes and Solar Auxillia vehicles.
I never wanted to do a guard army, too many bodies to build and paint... then I started play horus heresy and built and painted 90+ marines 😂 so maybe I'll reconsider
GW prices are insane. Their products are so high margin that they're actually in a very precarious place, especially now the people are having a hard time buying basic stuff. I feel like they're in for a huge wake up. Call soon
Even if you accept the price per plastic of the boxes, the amount of army for dollar here is absolutely terrible. The Custodes boxes have similar numbers of models but instantly build a 1000 point army without any conversions or kitbashes. This box appears to have fewer points worth of army than the Deathwatch Combat Patrol, which would currently amount to only 385 points of Space Marines but as a Combat Patrol would currently be over $90 cheaper than this Battleforce without any discounts.
@@thecactusman17they're not selling us models based on cost in game, it's on plastic and manufacturing costs. Why do so many of you think you should be able to get 2,000 points of every army for the same price?
I don't know but it seems to me that there should be a LARGE group of infantry in this box or another box. This army box would be a good for peripheral groups, but don't we need a hundred or so infantry?
$230 for less than 20 models. Absolutely bonkers pricing. The Auric Champions box set had only 2 fewer models in it but builds over 1000 points worth of units without any character conversions or upgrades. I really want to justify a small force of Krieg, but this looks like a terrible way to start.
Im very 50/50 on this. Its very costly and yes the models are very nice, but cards are pointless, and not sure all the Cavalry were the best choice, more infantry would have been better
Not a good deal. Taking away armor and mech units from Combat Patrols is a scary trend. They're just milking gamers for every dime they have by putting the hot new unit in each box. Combat Patrols should be an enticing purchase that includes some favorites and staples of every faction, that way, you'll want to play the one you have and it will encourage you to buy more for that army. This box is just an overpriced way to get the new Krieg minis.
What an absolutely miserable deal. I picked up my Cadia Stands box set for about 100 Euros from a foreign 3rd party retailer and found that just barely ok for the old combat patrol minis. This is a joke, I'll take my hobby money to other companies
Maybe for Guard, but Krieger engineers have always been in 5-person squads. They even had a Dedicated Transport that only carried 5, the Centaur. Also worth noting that Stormtroopers, who are a similar level of "elite", come 5 per box.
@@cvangemon1307 I know but point that to know the worthless box you should know pts, rules. For e.x. Christmas box of DA 100% worthy for people who just start
This box set looks really underwhelming. Krieg is about the badass infantry and there's a total of 9 infantry models in a $230 box set? And 3 of them are basically scenery additions? Nothing against the Death Riders but if I want to play a horse cavalry army I can buy the Brettonian box set for Old World and it comes with *_76 Games Workshop minis_* including dozens of infantry and cavalry for only $265. It also comes with the core rules for the full game. Paying that amount for 20% of an army is absolutely unconscionable. At that rate, I could pick up some resin or old Guard lasrifle bits and convert a feudal Guard army from that Brettonian box for pennies on the dollar by comparison.
It's not just models though, is it? It's a codex and cards too. Guard are expensive, if you can't afford them, play a different army or build slowly. Why do you all think the cost of an army should be based on points cost in game?
R.I.P to that one video with no audio
It'll be back later today hopefully. I think I managed to cancel the video's audio when I tried to take it off a section of video in the secret level section :P
This, this is what I've been waiting for to start a guard army for the sole fact i can now play krige in plastic
we had the killteam krieg
Can we have ultramarines for killteam and any other chapter as an army instead then please?@@nonlinear3084
I hope the Death Riders and the Rough Riders will have their rules diversified a little more in the Codex.
They already have different rules, death rider are not a new unit, they just have a new skin
@pierre2396 Yepp. And I want them to be _more_ diversified :-)
@@LettersFromLynx something can't be "more diverse" than literally having no rules which are similar. What you on about lad?
@@pierre2396If you read the article and look at their current stat line, the Death Riders are getting changes to their weapons at the least - going from Las Pistols and Death Rider Lances to Las Carbine (assault keyword?) and Frag Lance (melta option?)
I look at the value of a box through the lens of amazon and wahapedia. Rules, free. 2 Squads of Death Riders? 100 bucks. Engineers, 50 bucks. Artillery team 50 bucks. Marshal 30 bucks. 230 dollars MSRP is about right. If it can be found online for 15% off, awesome. If not, still not bad.
Bet you could sell the special cover Codex for a fair bit if you only want the models.
It will be more than that, these are all new models from high demand faction. It will be $300 minimum
Lord Solar Leontus is $62.50 USD, the video says Lord Dreyr should be $58 USD, where do you get $30 from? All of your numbers are below what the video actually suggests.
He said through the lens lf amazon that sells them discounted.
@@QisforQadim that's why a lot of people will wait for get them on recast for 15 dollars engineer, 25 the 5 riders, 15 the command squad,..
I’m looking forward to the box. Personally, I don’t mind mixing the different Guard looks. I paint everything my army color and give them their own lore to fit in. Can’t wait to paint them up in a red/black/gold theme.
Not a Krieg fan, but might get into Astra Militarum with my own custom regiment.
The positives I take from these new releases is, that I actually have potentially:
- 2 choices of fielding cavalry Astra Militarum + maybe a hero leading them
- another Artillery option aside from the regular Field Ordonance guns
- an Arvus Lighter in plastic for the Legends choices (Horus Heresy releases)
So even if I'm not really that much into the WW1 aesthetics, I still see the gain from this release as a kitbasher.
Wasn't planning to start a new army again this year, so since it early 2025, I'm definitely getting it!
That's the spirit!
I love running horse spam guard so this pleases me. More horses for the apocalypse! So yes I’ll probably get a box and maybe even a second one if there are still some left in the end
If the models look that amazing they are 100% worth it. These are some of the best models in a while!
Krieg was the first book I read from this universe and I was always disheartened that there were so few models - now I really am tempted!
They’re some great looking minis. Hopefully folks can get their hands on some DKoK kill team minis to turn this into the core of an army because I don’t think it’s to be fantastic straight out of the box as an army.
Honestly I'll grab 2, I love krieg and it's really thematic for them, add 2 baneblades and you have an army
I wonder how hard it’s going to be, to magnetize the big artillery?
Compared to battleforces of this year, this is better box. Although it could include more infantry unit even if it the kill team team kriegs
what are you even talking about ? this is utter garbage. Compare it to the blood angels battleforce
@@CatroiOzyou're in a minority there bud, this has been insanely popular already.
I cannot start more armies, but if I could, I have really liked DKOK ever since dead men walking and the other krieg books.
Lord Marshal Dreir. Fortunately Guard already has a HQ on horse in Leontus, so let's go with that - £40
2 x Death Riders. Assuming they're going to cost the same as Attilan Roughriders - £80
Combat Engineer. 5-man 'Elite' unit. I'll be generous here and say GW will charge the same as a box of Scions - £28
Artillery Team. I will again be generous and say GW charges the same as a current 130 mm round base kit, the Onager Dunecrawler - £52.50
So the total value of the box will be £200.50. And that's assuming GW isn't going to do a stealth hike on individual kits. With the literal paperweight included, I'll go ahead and call that GW is going to increase the price of the box set from the christmas boxes, coupled with the popularity of DKoK, the MSRP of this box will be £160.
Feel free to come back here in 2 months and give this a like if I'm correct
This box will be so sought after that you can save a few your retirement
I think the price will be higher, and many in the community have converted their own guys cavalry or engineers. So many great hobbyists on IG have done fantastic work.
The artillery cool but I really wish the Macharius had made its plastic debut. Anyone know the base size of the artillery?
They said the artillery is a 130mm round base. So a fair bit bigger than the 100mm field ordnance battery.
I do enjoy Krieg, I'm tempted to get a couple of boxes of this.
I’ll be buying one copy for sure and pretty much solely going krieg and tanks
Auspex tactics come to my mind as some ad mech who scribe all of the life but in tabletop perspective 😅
The voices are back!
I have had a Kreig army sence 5-6ed and have bearly gotten any new models sence then. Looks like that is about to change. I am verry excited.
I don’t think it matters at all what the value of the box is because it’s all new models for krieg. It’ll be insanely popular
Not too fond of the Lord Marshal's mount. It looks like Dreir is sitting on a giant rocking horse. The rest of the sculpts look pretty dynamic, though. Thumbs-up overall.
The complete lack of shovels is disappointing.
Fuck, now I'm tempted to get a box, and I don't play Guard. Just love the WW1 themed models.
I think your points are probably pretty good but without points the only thing that determines if it’s a good deal or not is if you think it’s cool.
And it’s pretty cool
I am getting this box, and I need to figure out how to fill out the rest of my 1000 points. I have never liked Cadians, so I will likely go with 3D printed dudes and Solar Auxillia vehicles.
Will this have pre-order? Otherwise splendid coverage as always Auspex :)
I never wanted to do a guard army, too many bodies to build and paint... then I started play horus heresy and built and painted 90+ marines 😂 so maybe I'll reconsider
I would like the idea of the kreig box to use for a renegade guard army but not at that price, even if I could get it for a discount.
I would get the army set, but I'm not really interested in the horses .. nice sculpts but I prefer regular troops on foot with transports and stuff
No tanks, no thanks
No death riders? Yay there is 2x5 🙌🎉 woohoo 🎉🖐️
normal codex looks actually better.. though army theme looks pretty cool
I want it a lot 😺!!
GW prices are insane. Their products are so high margin that they're actually in a very precarious place, especially now the people are having a hard time buying basic stuff. I feel like they're in for a huge wake up. Call soon
I mean, their profits are through the roof. People actually seem to be buying more and more.
People have been writing these comments for like 20 years already. Just be glad you don’t collect Lego too….
@@staticgrass RIP my wallet lmao.
Even if you accept the price per plastic of the boxes, the amount of army for dollar here is absolutely terrible. The Custodes boxes have similar numbers of models but instantly build a 1000 point army without any conversions or kitbashes.
This box appears to have fewer points worth of army than the Deathwatch Combat Patrol, which would currently amount to only 385 points of Space Marines but as a Combat Patrol would currently be over $90 cheaper than this Battleforce without any discounts.
@@thecactusman17they're not selling us models based on cost in game, it's on plastic and manufacturing costs.
Why do so many of you think you should be able to get 2,000 points of every army for the same price?
I don't know but it seems to me that there should be a LARGE group of infantry in this box or another box. This army box would be a good for peripheral groups, but don't we need a hundred or so infantry?
It would be better, but, you could build a 10 tank army right now. It's still expensive, but you could do it.
Masser infantry just isn't that good right now anyway
For patron members do we have to do anything at all? Or is it automatically!?
How is it that GW is more expensive than FW back in the day and with less models. 😢😢
But it isn't. What are you on about man? Each rider was like £30.
I like the new DKoK, but this set is too cavalry heavy for me. I will wait for the new codex and expand my Krieg force the old way...
Happy Sovel Noises
No standard Krieg Infantry? Brrooooo c'mon
Looks great but the price.......😮
$230 for less than 20 models. Absolutely bonkers pricing. The Auric Champions box set had only 2 fewer models in it but builds over 1000 points worth of units without any character conversions or upgrades.
I really want to justify a small force of Krieg, but this looks like a terrible way to start.
I don’t know about you guys, but horses with claws instead of hooves looks very weird.
No interest in the cavalry, might see it I can traded it to someone who wants it for the artillery or HWTs
These prices are insane 😢
Good models, bad price. Jesus, there's probably only like a combat patrol worth of points in there.
why a box full of death riders? give me a box full of infantry...and give me the kriegs veterans back, i need infantry for the trenches
Who's pumped for new detachments
Could be fun, could be broken as hell
So what happened to the death korps command that was supposed to be in there box
Was never in the box. Command and heavy weapons squads available seperate
Im very 50/50 on this. Its very costly and yes the models are very nice, but cards are pointless, and not sure all the Cavalry were the best choice, more infantry would have been better
It more likely to be £160.
Not a good deal. Taking away armor and mech units from Combat Patrols is a scary trend. They're just milking gamers for every dime they have by putting the hot new unit in each box.
Combat Patrols should be an enticing purchase that includes some favorites and staples of every faction, that way, you'll want to play the one you have and it will encourage you to buy more for that army. This box is just an overpriced way to get the new Krieg minis.
Why did they have to put skulls on all their faceplates ffs. We just wanted the masks :/
What an absolutely miserable deal. I picked up my Cadia Stands box set for about 100 Euros from a foreign 3rd party retailer and found that just barely ok for the old combat patrol minis. This is a joke, I'll take my hobby money to other companies
It's not just minis though, is it ya plum? There's the codex and cards too
this will be sold out in minutes..
Auspex lad, can i get a hiyaaaah! for the commitment to putting out all this content
I probably won't buy the models as I can 3d print them.
why are they not horses!!!!!
Horses are extinct. They have to genetically modify some creatures to look like horses lol.
@@joesheridan9451 nah. sorry, those hoofs suck. will GW re-release Lord Solar Leontus so the hoofs are the same? this is a huge sticking point for me.
I'm not impressed with this box. Going to be a pass from me.
5 engineers in a box feels off for guard.
Maybe for Guard, but Krieger engineers have always been in 5-person squads. They even had a Dedicated Transport that only carried 5, the Centaur. Also worth noting that Stormtroopers, who are a similar level of "elite", come 5 per box.
no views in 16 seconds, auspex fell off
Well since we don't know the price we couldn't possibly know
Or rules
@@mikhailivanov9570 Don't look at the rules to determine whether you buy something you silly sausage! They change them like every other month.
@@cvangemon1307 I know but point that to know the worthless box you should know pts, rules. For e.x. Christmas box of DA 100% worthy for people who just start
This box set looks really underwhelming. Krieg is about the badass infantry and there's a total of 9 infantry models in a $230 box set? And 3 of them are basically scenery additions?
Nothing against the Death Riders but if I want to play a horse cavalry army I can buy the Brettonian box set for Old World and it comes with *_76 Games Workshop minis_* including dozens of infantry and cavalry for only $265. It also comes with the core rules for the full game. Paying that amount for 20% of an army is absolutely unconscionable. At that rate, I could pick up some resin or old Guard lasrifle bits and convert a feudal Guard army from that Brettonian box for pennies on the dollar by comparison.
It's not just models though, is it? It's a codex and cards too. Guard are expensive, if you can't afford them, play a different army or build slowly. Why do you all think the cost of an army should be based on points cost in game?
lmao, no it isn't. Such a rip off.
5 minutes with only 45 likes? Auspex has fallen off rip
Everything GW produces these days is a rip-off!
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They have these in forgeworld for decades.
If you can buy a used 3d printer for that price then no it fucking isn't.
Do you really need 16 minutes to say: “No”