I get the problem where you get pushed from the map. Also happened to me one or two times until I realised that when you get in the "hurt state", you get pushed into the air and can use the drone to fly away and reposition yourself
The drone is a pretty good solution, BUT STILL sometimes even that doesn't save you. I've had times where I got hit and then an enemy got launched into the air and hit me (but it was a specific level with boost pads)
Surprisingly enough I haven’t had that problem yet i haven’t been pushed off a single time yet, and I have already finished 4 palettes. And am working on beating all of the palettes. But odds are that if you stay near corners of the map you would’ve died either way due to the number of enemies. Its best to just run past and get out of the corner instead of trying to fight back. Because most likely you won’t be able to escape if you take more time fighting. I guess always try to go to a more open space and let the enemies bunch themselves up. Any sub weapons with bombs are great for dealing with loads especially splat bomb. P.S: I play the game without any of Marina’s hacks because I prefer the harder challenge
@@GettingMadz upgrade broken armor jump and make sure you are able to use the pearl drone to glide away then that should fix your fall off dead problem
Honestly one of my main gripes with the dlc is the story. Leading up to the drop there was so much mystery and intrigue. Where’s Marina? Where are we? Why is Inkopolis Square like this? What’s up with Acht? We get answers to most of these questions almost IMMEDIATELY! The personal motivation of getting Marina back and uncovering what’s going on are suddenly gone. The motivation of “oh we gotta save the world” is fine but I feel like it would’ve been a much more interesting and powerful story if more of these mysteries were uncovered throughout playing. Imagine getting Marinas dev logs while she’s still missing, and the logs revealing that we’re in a virtual reality after a couple runs. Then you free Marina at the top and she helps you fight off Order in a final battle after she’s freed. Then smollusk becomes the final boss at the tower just like the regular game. This isn’t a perfect idea but I just was a bit disappointed since Octo expansion had such a cool story with a lot more personal stakes than the base game campaign. I still LOVE side order and have been having a TON of fun with it though :D
Yeah. I honestly felt a little let down, especially with how cinematic Octo Expansion and even Return of the Mammalians felt. It kinda felt like the devs were two-thirds into development only to suddenly remember, “Oh shit! This mode needs a plot!”
Totally agree with your points: I was mostly excited about Side Order for the plot, and felt let down. One of my biggest gripes, though, is how they set up Agent 4 and then they just....Aren't there??? :SPOILERS: What really frustrates me is that after the first spire, you get 3 things AUTOMATICALLY (almost like they're essential to moving the plot along) from the lockers: Marina's Dev Diary (to introduce it), a banner (like a "thx for buying the dlc") and AGENT 4's PALETTE. After remembering who they were, Pearl says that they were "the one who was supposed to be such a big shot." To me, this foreshadowed 4 as like the "forgotten agent" and that they were gonna play a huge role in the story, perhaps bitter at being forgotten. The fact that the Parallel Canon has 4's hairstyle (or whatever hair u had in Splatoon 2) further enforced this idea. And then they weren't there at all. What the heck, Splatoon???? That's not even a fun red herring, just an annoying one.
I was really hoping they would use more of the backstory of marina used in octo expansion, and maybe in certain floors they would uncover more of her story. I'm going to be honest, the dialogue was really.. unnatural? boring? most of the dialogue is "oh i'm marina and this is all my fault" then "oh no marina ur the best" every single time. All the characters were a bit one-dimensional for a game that would normally be so charming and full of life. (though this might be a bit of a nitpick) I would've really liked marina as an actual villain, not possessed by order or whatever. All in all, i think this game was just too short. It's good as a roguelite, but not as a story. Edit: Also, I really wish that this was ACTUALLY what inkopolis square became instead of a computer simulation, since it really expands the eeriness and impact that something like octo expansion did so well. I guess there’s the trapped souls thing, but there are basically no stakes (that are direct) we see that their real world counterparts are either not actual characters or are doing completely fine. Order as a boss made me audibly groan. I was hoping they’d do something at least a little more creative with the final boss, once again, maybe something like marina. As another comment said, I hate how they set up agent 4 and then it just.. didn’t happen. The game is still fun though, it got me back into splatoon.
the hack where you jump when you have broken armor is really good because you fall off the map, you jump really high and you can just glide back to the stage
i have never fallen off the edge of a map in side order yet, because whenever i get my armor broken and knocked back, i move to a different location with the pearl bot
Hm interesting. I do share your views on the DLC considering the lack of variety in missions and enemies, but the specific thing about being thrown off is a little... strange to me. I do get overwhelmed by enemies from time to time of course, but mostly by getting cornered somewhere. Although getting more upgrades from Marina does help alot in the late game. Anyways. I don't think I've been thrown off the map like this that often. Maybe once or twice? Usually when I get thrown off to somewhere, I just use Pearl to glide somewhere safe. Also the Armor Break Jump Upgrade helps a lot with that.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Armor Break Jump is the culprit for when they get tossed off of the stage by an enemy attack (barring the big enemies, who can knock you around normally). I've full cleared every pallet and never gotten knocked back in that way.
My main problem is that the palettes were nice and all but having the beat the game 12 times to fight the same final boss it would've been nice if there were at least difficulty change or a different form the final boss could take instead of an octopus shielded off and waiting to die and it would've been nice if there were a secret boss like in the octo expansion because octo expansion have a lot of variety coming for it and was always fun replaying it but side order kind of failed at grasping at the same excitement for as octo expansion had.
I think it would be fun if each weapon had a slightly different version tailored to that weapon, so the portals for charger would be outside the main map or way higher, brush's would move faster, something like that
For people struggling with swarming jellotons I’ve found prioritizing upgrading the pearl drone as well as getting sticky/poison ink colour chips early on to be the best way to get rid of them quickly!! Also getting the disc upgrades (which can close portals) obviously also helps
I think having more types of enemies that’s unique to each region would help! So that it also shows that you’re progressing more while making each area feel more unique outside of environment. Kinda like slay the spire where you only see louses in the first act, only snekos and that annoying hexing guy in the second act, and so on!
My issue with the dlc really isnt from getting bumped off the map *its splatting a bunch of jellitons to clear the objective, and SOMEHOW i still get swarmed by over 50 something jellitons all at once; this is what happened with the remix final boss last night- not only did i get swarmed with all the monsters but the boss itself also broke my armor in the process, so i was just royally fucked.*
Yeah especially that last wave it gets crazy! Your special is your savior and remember to stay away from the ends of the map. You're not gonna be able to defeat all the enemies in that wave (or any rigorous level beyond f20 for that matter) so only kill for item drops and to survive while having your main focus on popping the objective. I basically speedran my way through this dlc so I picked up a few other tricks if you're still struggling! hope this at least helps
@@grimesseill keep that in mind, as RN i am going to do a run with the splattershot, as i only made it to the first boss with that one on day one. already finished the tri stinger pallete
The whole intention behind the broken armor jump is so that you can fly away on the drone just stop firing or entering swim mode when you get armor broken so you don't fall off lol. I say this as someone who's beaten the DLC with all weapons already, that did get me a few times but I learned to just use the drone pretty quick
The fact theres 5 bosses (if counting spoilers: marina and order) and the pinging marciale is a remix of the octowhirl,the rondo is a hive mind(theory idk) and parallel cannon is your player from splatoon 2(if you transfer your save data) Edit: I've died from being ganged up by the jelleton more than falling off the map
I'm so sad my Splatoon 2 save data disappeared when my Switch's hardware had a failiure and had to be replaced by Nintendo. It would've been way cooler having the characters carry over (even if my Agent 3 looks very similar to the default anyway)
If you have the upgrade where you fly into the air when your armor is broken, if your getting swarmed you can jump off the map so it breaks your armor but you can still get back on the map and away from the swarm
Even without the hack you get launched into the air when you fall down, but the upgrade makes it so that when the jelletons break your armor you get launched.
I personally never really had the issue of falling off, partly due to upgrading the armor jump early on. Also, i always use the pearl drone after a armor jump to escape.
Ok, so from my personal opinion, I really love this dlc, and I never played a Rogue-like before. Yes I stocked up on lives, but that's because having those extra lives are reliable because of if something unfortunate happens, and guess what, I already beaten the tower with every weapon. And the only times where I remember struggling are with certain rigorous levels early on (which is expected), then when they expose my overrelience with Pearl by locking her up, forcing me to try and keep up with the zones which are very far away while also trying to survive being overwhelmed, which usually ain't a promblem since I can use the broken shield jump hacks to get high & let Pearl fly me around for a bit to heal up, and the last thing that I actually struggled with was facing the final boss [again] but with the Gattling Gun which refuses your broken shield flight escape if you are still shooting and thus drops me back into the enemy or making me too slow to avoid a sting ray chasing my butt. But hey, once you get the right cards, you'll no longer be afraid of anything sneaking up on ya as you mow down the army within mere seconds, I mean seriously, try the sniper with maxed out reduced charge up time, INSTANT BLASTS, CONSTANTLY, it felt so good. The dlc was incredible and very replayable for the time I had with it, in fact, I feel like I may come back some more to get more priz [which was what I thought Prlz actually said before I heard someone else say it, but I'll still call it Priz]. So yeah, very fun dlc.
Something I've noted is that it's never worth it to try and attack enemies when you get pushed near the edge. If you have broken armor jump, you can tank a hit for your armor to break and then use Pearl to glide away and get a better position against the enemies.
Buddy, the "falling off the map when your armor breaks" is without a shadow of a doubt, a skill issue The pearl drone let's you glide no matter what situation you're in and there have been times where I've intentionally jumped off the map to glide away and get into a better position I recommend trying it, it's pretty fun and funny
I only died from being pushed off the map twice and I finished every weapon run. When they hit you off the edge, usually you fly upwards and you can glide back onto the map with pearl. Remember you can't Glide with pearl while trying to swim or shoot your weapon.
A VERY little bell and whistle you got with the dlc before side order was you could listen to the squid sisters old songs, same thing with off the hook now that SO is out, and yes the songs are DLC exclusive, i know because i only bought the dlc the day after side order came out
Little tip every time you get surrounded just jump of the stage if you have the safety impulse hack you will get back up and then you can dron your way back to the fight
Never been pushed off the map cause I tend to move around a lot... BUTTT I do think the amount of enemies can be frustrating sometimes. I got to floor 30 on my first run and while I won't spoil anything, I did die to something related to enemy spam. I had to stop playing because I injured my thumb on my first run (it's currently in a hand brace), but when I do play again I think the repetition is gonna start to annoy me, even tho that's the point. Doesn't have as much story depth as a roguelite such as Hades to keep it fresh and fun y'know?
I mean...you probably could have saved yourself from those deaths by holding B. Holding B let's you hover with the Pearl drone and get away. That's why you jump up automatically when your armor breaks. I mean I guess it's harder early on depending on your upgrades but still...kinda feel like that's more on you then the game.
Honestly, I 90% the DLC within 24 hours... (the 10% being geting all color chips to their maximum bars for commentary) I died enough to count on one hand, but all those deaths were from getting pushed off the map, to stop dieing from dropping off the map however, all you have to do is maximize Your death jump height, it will save you from perma death 99% of the time!
There’s something funny about Madz having a rant with dramatic music in the back, while he keeps that same ‘I’m having fun but secretly dying inside’ expression while still being a news presenter. Also I’ve died from Map falling twice, I’ve done 2 complete runs and have most keys on the first half of the pallets
100% of the time I died to getting swarmed and getting cornered or not being fast enough to escape them on my tail. Having high dps really helps in this mode.
When they hit you off the map you hit the B button to use the drone to fly back into a safer spot on the map the drone actually is what solves the overwhelming swarm in salmon run (obviously more needed in this mode tho cuz single player only)
For someone who has the dlc you gotta stop using squid or using weapons and use peral to get out of that situation sure ive died once to that but i forgot to stop using weapons GET GOOD MADZ
I’m personally not that big of a fan of side order, but I did play it. And I never got killed by being thrown off the map. It’s all about positioning. Being caught at the corner is basically a death sentence, so you need to avoid the area at all costs
so satisfying to finally see someone talking about this, about 80% of my deaths have been to getting pushed off! i literally had to upgrade the hurt jump height so i could pray to reposition myself back on the map and its not even a guarantee.
Overwhelming enemies was never a problem for me but I’ve been pushed off the map before. In this case when ur armor is broken u get pushed into the air so it’s easy to glide away. U can even upgrade how high u get pushed into the air after ur armor is broken ! Very useful
I really believe that the gameplay is amazing, but I miss the mystery and story that Octo Expansion had to offer. The story of Side Order is good, but was answered immediately 💔
I normally use the drone to fly back onto the map after I've been hit off the edge tho i suggest if you can if your not used to the drone use the hack that makes you bounce high when you lose armor so you can safely glide away to get more armor back ive died about 2 times from falling off bc i didn't realize pearl could glide me to safety after getting hit
You got rougelike and routelite mixed up. RougeLIKES have progression between runs, rougeLITES don’t. Hades for example, which you mentioned, has permanent progression in the mirror of shadows and other stuff, and so does side order.
One of the main problems is that I can’t even play it! I downloaded the DLC, but the game just says I need to download it on EShop (even though I already have it), and then tells me to update it, even though my Switch says it’s on the latest update! What the heck!?
I'm hoping it gets updated in the future. Obviously new color chips, bosses, floors, and an infinite mode are up there but why isn't there anything to use Pearls on for multiplayer content like the vending machine in Octo Expansion. I thought we'd finally have a way to get golden food tickets but nope.
Most of my deaths come from being bumped off the map too. I play with three lives, which is a good sweet spot to protect from cheap deaths while still being a challenge on certain levels. My only real advice is try to avoid getting cornered near map edges if possible and target the Lentos from far away; sticky or poison ink helps slow them down if you ink in front of them before dealing with smaller jelletons. You can also use Accelerandos to take out/bump away large swaths of enemies if you find them among the hordes, and Inkstrike or Splashdown are great specials for crowd control
(Disclaimer I understand ll your takes and I think this is a good video.) YOU FLOAT BACK TO THE STAGE WITH THE PEARL DRONE INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE JELLETONS I’ve died a couple of times to falling off the side but usually it’s just getting overwhelmed and falling back to the ground before my armor regenerates that kills me(except for the final boss because that usually just stingrays me or reef slider explosion kills me because it reaches surprisingly far.
I entirely agree, Having one or two more mission objectives, another boss (and or a second variant of the final boss) and that would fix the content and replayability aspects. As for falling off the map due to an enemy bumping you, I can agree, it's annoying. The game gives plenty of tools to avoid this such as drone hovering on armor break. or if you don't have the upgrade yet, flinging yourself off the map also bounces you in the air as long as you have armor, which also allows you to glide and reposition yourself. But more often than not, you can get bounced off the map in a very unfair way and it's a very understandable turn off. It also sucks how that's just a general part of salmon run, a mode the dlc heavily bases itself on. Generally I haven't nearly died as much by falling as I have getting swarmed by enemies because I'm very greedy, but considering how it feels rushed AND good (an extremely unlikely combo) It's definitely not perfect but still incredibly fun once you move past those issues. We probably won't get it but if Splatoon tries their hand at this again in the future (possibly in a future game) with the knowledge from Side Order and fix those few issues it'd be incredible.
Oh believe me, I've got into those situations where you're surrounded and those big guys headbutt you off the map plenty of times. But to get out of those situations, use either a Trizooka, Triple Inkstrike or Kraken, those will REALLY help in making them back the hell off
as a rogue like player and a splatoon player: i still haven't gotten to the final floor because of my getting absolutely swarmed, the harder floors are also sometimes completely unfair as well and I'm left with increasing frustration instead of a desire to keep playing
are you trying to do a challenge run? Assuming you're mechanically skilled and knowledgeable of how roguelites work, are you struggling to optimize your chips? If you're having a really hard time the only thing I can assume is that you are either playing incorrectly or selecting the hardest levels every time without regard to how good the synergy the chip is with your weapon. Like any roguelite make some basic plans for a build you want and work towards it while always adapting with the buffs you're given. Since you haven't won yet I'd avoid all pearl drone upgrades until you get more pirlz, and I'd focus on the power chips, and when you don't have access to power chips get one upgrade of pierce, one upgrade of homing, one or two main range upgrades, one or two main ink coverage upgrades sticky ink, hindrance damage + sticky ink (if you get poison damage only,) swim speed up (for final boss sting ray and reefsliders,) and then everything that buffs luck while increasing your chances of getting canned specials and/or armor and discs (note you'll definitely not get all of this in a game, but this is all the options I'd recommend to fall back on.) Since you prolly don't have continues don't be scared to go to the vending machines a lot since you can adjust your sub and special there. If you ever get crab tank, ultra stamp, sprinkler, or booyah bomb I'd buy it without thinking and then prepare to build around that. If chip optimization is not the problem then don't over rely on your mechanical skill and instead strategize. You can pause mid level or at the very beginning of one and form a plan. You can glide on pearl drone frequently for extra mobility and you can always paint the map for your special. On splat zone levels target sprinkler and sniper enemies and on the fish chasing one fly as high as you can above the fishes and shoot at them from above to trap and kill them if your sub and/or special aren't doing the trick. For the final boss strategize portal order, and don't push your luck when it uses stingray and reefslider and instead retraet and paint for your special. Only kill enemies for items and survival, and use the springs and dradle bones when you cant get your special. Rest is on you mate, but if you need more help lemme know
Aside from the gameplay, I actually think the biggest issue is the lack of story and tragicness. For newer players, the story might not be an issue, but for players who were around during the splatoon 2 final fest, it is very important because this is basically the alternate splatoon 3. It sucks we dont get much backstory on the bosses. Also what happened to all the creepy images? I thought those were pretty cool and got me extremely hyped up because I thought it was going to include some kind of horror story. Also the final boss design is bad (I'm not saying the gameplay is bad, I'm just saying a giant octopus isnt very good). In conclusion, I dont think the dlc is bad because its meant to focus on gameplay rather than story, but it had much, much more potential.
I got the DLC and I haven't had this issue. It's just part of the strategy of positioning; it's good to get a little more aggressive to punch through the enemy waves. While I have died this way a couple of times, it hasn't been that much. I had chalked it up to me putting myself in a bad position. Additionally, while you're upset about enemies knocking you around, did you know that you can do the same to the enemies? There are some knockback upgrades for your primary weapon and for all explosives that can help keep enemies away! (It's so fucking hilarious to use the reef slider to take out one of the wheelie guys, only for them not to die to the explosion, but get flung off the map causing the mission to end! XD) It could also help to try other weapons because I know that different types of upgrades are more common for different types of weapons (which is so freaking cool!) Don't be afraid to mix things up! Try new weapons and strategies! This game is tough, but I wouldn't say it's too hard! I'm loving it!
i'm sorry the last agreement is kind of a skill issue tbh you could just pearl drone your way back and in ( i'm pretty sure ) every clip you showed you were in octo form when you fell and we all know pearl won't do anything when your in octo form AND you can upgrade how high you go when your armor breaks so that makes you have EVEN MORE time to react yeah i don't want to be that guy but thats kind of a skill issue
you're the first person that I've heard has that specific problem, and honestly, it's your fault, you need to work on your awareness of your environment, that's a really big part of the DLC, learning to handle large hordes of enemies, where they come from, where to position yourself and what to do to advance the objective it's what makes it fun and challenging most of the time
5 times to falling off (3 of which with that stupid roll attack that ball boss does) 😢 : 5 times to enemies overwhelming me in every direction. I can relate to you and it’s so annoying.
Do you use the pearl drone? The boss launches you pretty high, and while I don't think I've been pushed out of the map before, you should be able to glide back on it with the drone.
I think only around maybe 10% of my deaths have been from falling off the map. As others have said, I have used the Pearl drone to catch myself in the air a good number of times, but also, I found it helped to go for knockback chips to keep the headbutting enemies from getting close as consistently.
I do agree that the lack of mission variety can make runs feel samey and I was wished there was more mission type like maybe protect the objective, survive either a certain time limit or waves, defeat a X amount of jellatons. One of the bosses parallel canon could have been a potential mission as well with some exclusive danger effects like having faster special charge or being alot mobile. Overall I still enjoyed side order but I do wished that there were some more mission variety
I don’t get hit off the edge THAT often really… but something that I ABSOLUTELY HATE is that you can’t hold your charge with a splatcharger. DOES ANYONE KMOW IF THERES A CHIP TO FIX THAT IM DIEING OVER HERE!!!
There is an upgrade to bounce to back up if you get pushed up. Hopefully that fixes your issue! It does cost your armor but if you buy extra armor upgrades this won’t affect you as much.
Me and my little brother worked together to beat all 12 pallets. I completed 5 pallets and only lost one time by an enemy killing me. My brother completed 7 including agent 8's pallet. He died about 4 times but he did the 8's pallete without dying. Overall, it's just getting through the first iteration of the game that's the hardest. We easily racked up a lot of pearls and invested mostly on weapon damage, pearl drone, and vending machines, and weakening enemies. We also quickly realized how overpowered the pearl drone is and we made sure to invest a decent number of chips on her. Another strategy I took was completing my least favorite missions first so that I influence the game to give me the missions I like. My least favorite were the splat zones and my favorite were the portals.
7:20 Inking the floor + poison ink helps ever so slightly with this problem. Sometimes I'll get knocked off the edge and I'm too low for Pearl to take me back so I lose a life...
Yeah, I finished my first run today, and I can 1000% agree. The vast majority of my deaths were simply because of being overwhelmed when it just…shouldn’t have happened, and getting pushed off the side. Not to mention, like, I know Pearl Drone can cause a slow-fall……but it’s so painfully easy to forget it and just fall instantly, when it COULD have saved me from getting launched off the map. I think the worst was the final boss. I was glad I made it with over 6000 currency, cuz I Needed it because I had to reset Twice because of stupid deaths. I’m not the best Splatoon player…but my god, the Reefsliders and Killer Wails that the boss used felt SO cheap. Like between those and the absolutely massive army of enemies, I almost never felt like I could get away from the Specials when they happened- especially the Reefsliders. And it’s a BIG boss arena, so you’d think you shouldn’t have that issue. And yet…it happened way more times than it should have. Super frustrating final boss, with frankly, kinda fudged audio cues about what’s happening. It’s just a complete mental overload of a fight. Still glad I did it though, and now I can play through it more without as much frustration, since…I completed it already, I got my beloved Inkopolis Square, so…now I can just have fun with it lol
i remember having my armor broken, getting sent up, getting my 2nd layer broken mid-air and then getting sent up to the sky where i was killed for being out of bounds
For those that are dying from falling off the map I have a solution for you all you need to do is get the upgrade that when your armor breaks you jump high in the air and the press b and you will glide down making so you can react more and you go faster in the air than if you were walking or swimming (with no perks or upgrades). I hope this helps and for anyone who is not playing the dlc good luck with your runs
I haven’t gotten too many fails to falling off the map, only once, but I’ve lost many lives to that (I have 3 max and tend to save up for the continue as I suck at Roguelites lmao)
There was this one time where i was popping off like a madman with a main weapon build, then all of a sudden one of those tower snipers does a fucking trickshot on me as the big guy bounced it off the map
3:12 minor correction: It's not an 8 ball in Side Order. It's an Infinity-ball. All of the game text referring to it uses the sideways 8, which is the universal symbol for "infinity" or "infinite" And since an Infinity Ball can't fall off the edge, it certainly makes sense.
i am curently mid way through my last palette run and i ran into this issue only a few times, i can still complete most of my runs 1st try, maybe try staying further away from edges and make sure to keep the big guys at a distance, u have a bit of time before the atacking animation ends so make sure to use that to get away or splat them also jumping and using the drone while running is faster than jusr running to its useful if ur out of ink or trying to get through uninkable floors. hope this helps :)
A problem i have with it is that uou have to restart the entrie thing like one time i got the final boss down to the last slither of health and i lost my last life :(
The one thing i have a major problem with in side order does involve the colour chips, cause there are 68 colour chips in the entire DLC and you have to grab each one up to a set of 5 in order to see text dialogue from acht, marina and pearl but every single time you never see the colour chips you want, like for example, i wanted to grind on main ink saver but it didn't show up on one floor, and instead shows killer wail, armor drop and max lucky chain so i decide to refresh the floor and the new colour chips it gives me armor drop literally 3 resets in a row and it seriously annoys and angers me deeply, of course i do also agree the missions could have been made better by having them play similarly to the main game story where you get to explore more than just one platform as well as have the tower be more than just 30 floors.
I've only ever died from falling off the map once, most of my deaths have been from one enemy hitting me into another, the ball boss hitting me before bouncing off the corner of the map and hitting me again before I can move out the way or some other variation of being hit two times back to back without means of recovering
First thing I did was see if I could fall off the maps into water in the first floor and lobby. The same thing happened to me on the last boss but I knew from the moment I entered the tower that that was possible it is a bit of a rustle to the Jimmies but it's like a ring out in my mind.
You're not wrong about dying most of the time from falling off the map, but that's why you GOTTA get the upgrade that jumps you high in the air when you lose all your armour! It's SO helpful, literally helped me get out from a corner the big Jelletons put me in and kill the small weelie ones-
my biggest gripe with side order is that it wasn't really a challenge? at least to me, like yeah first run i got creamed but after that it just kind of was a breeze for me. I would purposely choose the hardest floors to give myself a challenge and still just plow through them, my time averaging from 30 seconds to 2 minutes each. and like even without some powerups/ hacks some levels just straight up hold your hand and give you things to camp on which makes it 10000 times easier?? and once you realize theres only 3 bosses nothings a challenge anymore, doesn't really keep me there after 3 runs.
What kills me in side order is the ridiculous blast radius on enemy explosives and the tracking laser shot by the rotating tower and final boss. The homing is way too strong on that i can barely ever get away.
Broken armor jump has saved me from this… avoid getting hit too close to the edge, and use the Pearl drone to fly back onto the stage. If you’re desperate I guess you could also jump off the edge on purpose to avoid getting hit so you get that boost from the broken armor jump, then you can fly to safety
I completely agree with you on the variety being an issue. The thing is, like Salmon Run, Side Order is the perfect mode to add more variety to via updates: more Jellaton types, more bosses, more floor objectives, more Order weapons/Pallettes, more Cipher' Siftings unlockables... ...but with Splatoon 3 development seemingly wrapping up at the end of this summer, it unfortunately seems very unlikely to happen 😓
whenever i would get pushed off, i think its pretty easy to glide back to the surface because of the bounce that it gives you once you fall. Then all you really have to do is avoid enemies
The same thing happened to me on my first run through of the game to where I was on the final floor and then got launched off by one of those homing exploders that spawned in right above me in instantly exploded
Honesty, in the few runs I've failed and the about 20 successful runs, I've barely been pushed off, my death would be to more being surrounded, but even then the hack to be launched up when your armor breaks lets you just fly away and recuperate. My only issue is that the loop gets rather boring as excluding Portals, Arppegios and the scared fish, theres 9 enemies and 3 unique bosses, where youd fight 2 of them per run. Having unlocked every hack, bought every item and gotten the badges for capping on every chip... I see as much need to play runs as I do for Alterna after I 1000% it. Honestly what may be needed is something to keep you hooked on that can be worked to but either takes tons of time to finish or can never be finished but rewards you for the distance you put in.
I lost 3 separate runs on the final boss with the octoshot because i simply couldn't get close enough to the final portal to kill it, because the enemies spawned to quickly, and as soon as i killed 1, it just respawns EXACTLY where i needed to be. Eventually i just said fuck it and turned on all the chips i had, and that worked. It was liberating coming back to life after thinking your run just ended, only to realise you have more than a single life now. It made me feel like god
bouncing off the map happens to me too sometimes, but for me my main cause of death is like 20 enemies attacking me from 3 sides each with no imaginable way to escape
I never die from falling off the map bc I remember to use the pearl drone to glide always die bc the fish things are surrounding me in all directions to the point that I literally can't move at all
I got a game over a total of 2 times before 100 percenting the DLC. The first time I panicked because of a new enemy type (the sniper tower) and the second time was during my first attempt at the final boss.
I only die to falling off the map like half the time. Especially with the final boss’s attack that sends you back which idk if it is intentional. I feel that this big problem is that half the time I’m in cutter and or menus, not playing
the biggest hurdle in side order regardless of how many hacks you use is aggro management. learning how to escape when you're overwhelmed and just bide your time while you slowly pick at the horde. i fully expect my salmon run co workers to go up in skill now. no excuse. spoiler below: sometimes you have to spend 15 minutes painting spots and running in front of a mob because you're using 8's pallet and you ran out of membucks so you can't reroll for anything but a rigorous 29f. eventually you get a break in the spawn and have your splashdown to annihilate that stupid mega portal while dodging nobilmente shots
YOU GOTTA FLY WITH THE DRONE WHEN THEY HIT YOU OFF THE EDGE MADZ, YOU GOTTA FLYYYYYYY
You can’t fly with the drone if his armor brake.
@@midnightowlartytyes you can?
@@midnightowlartytyou can use the drone when broken and it’s actually faster than swimming when your armour is broken
THATS WHAT I'M SAYING LOL
@@midnightowlartyt no you can
I get the problem where you get pushed from the map. Also happened to me one or two times until I realised that when you get in the "hurt state", you get pushed into the air and can use the drone to fly away and reposition yourself
ohhh not a bad work solution
I think that was the intention tbh, I do that too
@@jellyjackcheese yeah thats why you can upgrade how high you go too when your armor breaks
The drone is a pretty good solution, BUT STILL sometimes even that doesn't save you. I've had times where I got hit and then an enemy got launched into the air and hit me (but it was a specific level with boost pads)
Surprisingly enough I haven’t had that problem yet i haven’t been pushed off a single time yet, and I have already finished 4 palettes. And am working on beating all of the palettes. But odds are that if you stay near corners of the map you would’ve died either way due to the number of enemies. Its best to just run past and get out of the corner instead of trying to fight back. Because most likely you won’t be able to escape if you take more time fighting. I guess always try to go to a more open space and let the enemies bunch themselves up. Any sub weapons with bombs are great for dealing with loads especially splat bomb.
P.S: I play the game without any of Marina’s hacks because I prefer the harder challenge
I think it's good. Keep in mind, you can dislike it if you want, I think it's worth it.
I definitely like it a lot, just a few things from keeping it from perfect
@@GettingMadz upgrade broken armor jump and make sure you are able to use the pearl drone to glide away then that should fix your fall off dead problem
Nothing is perfect
wish they added a “splat (number) enemies” or “survive for 300 seconds” for objectives 😢
AGAIN EVERY SINGLE VIDEO I SEE YOU
Honestly one of my main gripes with the dlc is the story. Leading up to the drop there was so much mystery and intrigue. Where’s Marina? Where are we? Why is Inkopolis Square like this? What’s up with Acht? We get answers to most of these questions almost IMMEDIATELY! The personal motivation of getting Marina back and uncovering what’s going on are suddenly gone. The motivation of “oh we gotta save the world” is fine but I feel like it would’ve been a much more interesting and powerful story if more of these mysteries were uncovered throughout playing. Imagine getting Marinas dev logs while she’s still missing, and the logs revealing that we’re in a virtual reality after a couple runs. Then you free Marina at the top and she helps you fight off Order in a final battle after she’s freed. Then smollusk becomes the final boss at the tower just like the regular game. This isn’t a perfect idea but I just was a bit disappointed since Octo expansion had such a cool story with a lot more personal stakes than the base game campaign. I still LOVE side order and have been having a TON of fun with it though :D
I genuinely think this would have made side order infinitely more memorable if they’d done it that way.
Also, the fact that the story is nothing until 30 minutes where it ends... :/
Yeah. I honestly felt a little let down, especially with how cinematic Octo Expansion and even Return of the Mammalians felt. It kinda felt like the devs were two-thirds into development only to suddenly remember, “Oh shit! This mode needs a plot!”
Totally agree with your points: I was mostly excited about Side Order for the plot, and felt let down. One of my biggest gripes, though, is how they set up Agent 4 and then they just....Aren't there???
:SPOILERS:
What really frustrates me is that after the first spire, you get 3 things AUTOMATICALLY (almost like they're essential to moving the plot along) from the lockers: Marina's Dev Diary (to introduce it), a banner (like a "thx for buying the dlc") and AGENT 4's PALETTE. After remembering who they were, Pearl says that they were "the one who was supposed to be such a big shot."
To me, this foreshadowed 4 as like the "forgotten agent" and that they were gonna play a huge role in the story, perhaps bitter at being forgotten. The fact that the Parallel Canon has 4's hairstyle (or whatever hair u had in Splatoon 2) further enforced this idea.
And then they weren't there at all. What the heck, Splatoon???? That's not even a fun red herring, just an annoying one.
I was really hoping they would use more of the backstory of marina used in octo expansion, and maybe in certain floors they would uncover more of her story.
I'm going to be honest, the dialogue was really.. unnatural? boring? most of the dialogue is "oh i'm marina and this is all my fault" then "oh no marina ur the best" every single time. All the characters were a bit one-dimensional for a game that would normally be so charming and full of life. (though this might be a bit of a nitpick) I would've really liked marina as an actual villain, not possessed by order or whatever.
All in all, i think this game was just too short. It's good as a roguelite, but not as a story.
Edit: Also, I really wish that this was ACTUALLY what inkopolis square became instead of a computer simulation, since it really expands the eeriness and impact that something like octo expansion did so well. I guess there’s the trapped souls thing, but there are basically no stakes (that are direct) we see that their real world counterparts are either not actual characters or are doing completely fine. Order as a boss made me audibly groan. I was hoping they’d do something at least a little more creative with the final boss, once again, maybe something like marina.
As another comment said, I hate how they set up agent 4 and then it just.. didn’t happen.
The game is still fun though, it got me back into splatoon.
the hack where you jump when you have broken armor is really good because you fall off the map, you jump really high and you can just glide back to the stage
It actually does that automatically even without the hack
i have never fallen off the edge of a map in side order yet, because whenever i get my armor broken and knocked back, i move to a different location with the pearl bot
Remixed old bosses having a chance to appear would have been such a good move.
The splatoon 1 bosses?
@@best_mate456 yeah or bosses from octo expansion
@@tinyninja7716weren’t all the bosses in the octo expansion remixes themselves? Besides tartar of course
@@IJC039 yeah so those bosses are out. Good thing those side order bosses are all new
I think the best boss to rework is the splatoon one shark
@@IJC039 oh wait your right. Nonetheless any old splatoon campaign boss would be cool.
Hm interesting. I do share your views on the DLC considering the lack of variety in missions and enemies, but the specific thing about being thrown off is a little... strange to me.
I do get overwhelmed by enemies from time to time of course, but mostly by getting cornered somewhere. Although getting more upgrades from Marina does help alot in the late game.
Anyways.
I don't think I've been thrown off the map like this that often. Maybe once or twice? Usually when I get thrown off to somewhere, I just use Pearl to glide somewhere safe. Also the Armor Break Jump Upgrade helps a lot with that.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Armor Break Jump is the culprit for when they get tossed off of the stage by an enemy attack (barring the big enemies, who can knock you around normally). I've full cleared every pallet and never gotten knocked back in that way.
Completed 6 palettes so far and didn’t even know you could fall off the map 💀
Lol
I only won because I was grinding prlz to get back to my 30f run where I died
My main problem is that the palettes were nice and all but having the beat the game 12 times to fight the same final boss it would've been nice if there were at least difficulty change or a different form the final boss could take instead of an octopus shielded off and waiting to die and it would've been nice if there were a secret boss like in the octo expansion because octo expansion have a lot of variety coming for it and was always fun replaying it but side order kind of failed at grasping at the same excitement for as octo expansion had.
I think it would be fun if each weapon had a slightly different version tailored to that weapon, so the portals for charger would be outside the main map or way higher, brush's would move faster, something like that
@PDS350 maybe splatlings have more health
For people struggling with swarming jellotons I’ve found prioritizing upgrading the pearl drone as well as getting sticky/poison ink colour chips early on to be the best way to get rid of them quickly!! Also getting the disc upgrades (which can close portals) obviously also helps
One word. Piercing.
The best chip is easily lucky bomb drop. It does so much damage and knocks back enemies. The only issue to danger stages with item drops turned off.
It's always behind a rigorous floor with the potential open season in the name
I think having more types of enemies that’s unique to each region would help! So that it also shows that you’re progressing more while making each area feel more unique outside of environment. Kinda like slay the spire where you only see louses in the first act, only snekos and that annoying hexing guy in the second act, and so on!
My issue with the dlc really isnt from getting bumped off the map
*its splatting a bunch of jellitons to clear the objective, and SOMEHOW i still get swarmed by over 50 something jellitons all at once; this is what happened with the remix final boss last night- not only did i get swarmed with all the monsters but the boss itself also broke my armor in the process, so i was just royally fucked.*
Yes As someone who has gotten to the final floor and lost
Yeah especially that last wave it gets crazy! Your special is your savior and remember to stay away from the ends of the map. You're not gonna be able to defeat all the enemies in that wave (or any rigorous level beyond f20 for that matter) so only kill for item drops and to survive while having your main focus on popping the objective.
I basically speedran my way through this dlc so I picked up a few other tricks if you're still struggling! hope this at least helps
I KNOW! It's so bad when they spawn faster than you can kill them
If this is an issue you're encountering trying to clear with tri-stinger, i suggest going for a special spam build with booyah bomb if you can get it
@@grimesseill keep that in mind, as RN i am going to do a run with the splattershot, as i only made it to the first boss with that one on day one. already finished the tri stinger pallete
The whole intention behind the broken armor jump is so that you can fly away on the drone just stop firing or entering swim mode when you get armor broken so you don't fall off lol. I say this as someone who's beaten the DLC with all weapons already, that did get me a few times but I learned to just use the drone pretty quick
The fact theres 5 bosses (if counting spoilers: marina and order) and the pinging marciale is a remix of the octowhirl,the rondo is a hive mind(theory idk) and parallel cannon is your player from splatoon 2(if you transfer your save data)
Edit: I've died from being ganged up by the jelleton more than falling off the map
Wait it’s your player from splatoon 2!? That’s sick!
@@minoviesdaniel(failboat) fight with the parallel canon the the main boss had his splatoon 2 player hair
I'm so sad my Splatoon 2 save data disappeared when my Switch's hardware had a failiure and had to be replaced by Nintendo. It would've been way cooler having the characters carry over (even if my Agent 3 looks very similar to the default anyway)
i donno why but i LOVE the asynchronous rondo, its so eerie and fun!!!!!
@@ZIG_ZAG_ZOOMi like the music and apparently phase 2 is the most played part i prefer phase 1
If you have the upgrade where you fly into the air when your armor is broken, if your getting swarmed you can jump off the map so it breaks your armor but you can still get back on the map and away from the swarm
the person that said this is probably soooooooo cool
Even without the hack you get launched into the air when you fall down, but the upgrade makes it so that when the jelletons break your armor you get launched.
Why’d my ass think this was a Scotfalco video when I saw the thumbnail
I did the exact same thing and was like, "Where's the salt shaker.."
I saw the Scotfalco video on the recommended side and went "that looks like the madz video" instead
thanks for keeping it spoiler free madz. im getting it on thursday
no problemo, hope u enjoy it on Thursday!
Have fun, destroy order
The game ends with Goku sacrificing himself to stop the Jonkler. Oops spoiled it
I personally never really had the issue of falling off, partly due to upgrading the armor jump early on. Also, i always use the pearl drone after a armor jump to escape.
Ok, so from my personal opinion, I really love this dlc, and I never played a Rogue-like before.
Yes I stocked up on lives, but that's because having those extra lives are reliable because of if something unfortunate happens, and guess what, I already beaten the tower with every weapon. And the only times where I remember struggling are with certain rigorous levels early on (which is expected), then when they expose my overrelience with Pearl by locking her up, forcing me to try and keep up with the zones which are very far away while also trying to survive being overwhelmed, which usually ain't a promblem since I can use the broken shield jump hacks to get high & let Pearl fly me around for a bit to heal up, and the last thing that I actually struggled with was facing the final boss [again] but with the Gattling Gun which refuses your broken shield flight escape if you are still shooting and thus drops me back into the enemy or making me too slow to avoid a sting ray chasing my butt.
But hey, once you get the right cards, you'll no longer be afraid of anything sneaking up on ya as you mow down the army within mere seconds, I mean seriously, try the sniper with maxed out reduced charge up time, INSTANT BLASTS, CONSTANTLY, it felt so good.
The dlc was incredible and very replayable for the time I had with it, in fact, I feel like I may come back some more to get more priz [which was what I thought Prlz actually said before I heard someone else say it, but I'll still call it Priz]. So yeah, very fun dlc.
Something I've noted is that it's never worth it to try and attack enemies when you get pushed near the edge. If you have broken armor jump, you can tank a hit for your armor to break and then use Pearl to glide away and get a better position against the enemies.
Buddy, the "falling off the map when your armor breaks" is without a shadow of a doubt, a skill issue
The pearl drone let's you glide no matter what situation you're in and there have been times where I've intentionally jumped off the map to glide away and get into a better position
I recommend trying it, it's pretty fun and funny
A problem I have is that out of side order I get too used to pearl drone so when I try to fly in turf war I'm like "where's pearl- oh right..😭😭"
I only died from being pushed off the map twice and I finished every weapon run. When they hit you off the edge, usually you fly upwards and you can glide back onto the map with pearl. Remember you can't Glide with pearl while trying to swim or shoot your weapon.
My first death in side order was falling off, and others were just huge crowds of jelletons ganging up on me
A VERY little bell and whistle you got with the dlc before side order was you could listen to the squid sisters old songs, same thing with off the hook now that SO is out, and yes the songs are DLC exclusive, i know because i only bought the dlc the day after side order came out
Little tip every time you get surrounded just jump of the stage if you have the safety impulse hack you will get back up and then you can dron your way back to the fight
8:50 it’s not fake it’s to help you use the drone
Never been pushed off the map cause I tend to move around a lot... BUTTT I do think the amount of enemies can be frustrating sometimes. I got to floor 30 on my first run and while I won't spoil anything, I did die to something related to enemy spam. I had to stop playing because I injured my thumb on my first run (it's currently in a hand brace), but when I do play again I think the repetition is gonna start to annoy me, even tho that's the point. Doesn't have as much story depth as a roguelite such as Hades to keep it fresh and fun y'know?
I mean...you probably could have saved yourself from those deaths by holding B. Holding B let's you hover with the Pearl drone and get away. That's why you jump up automatically when your armor breaks. I mean I guess it's harder early on depending on your upgrades but still...kinda feel like that's more on you then the game.
Unless it's against (spoiler)cause that thing's attack has a large hit box
Honestly, I 90% the DLC within 24 hours... (the 10% being geting all color chips to their maximum bars for commentary) I died enough to count on one hand, but all those deaths were from getting pushed off the map, to stop dieing from dropping off the map however, all you have to do is maximize Your death jump height, it will save you from perma death 99% of the time!
There’s something funny about Madz having a rant with dramatic music in the back, while he keeps that same ‘I’m having fun but secretly dying inside’ expression while still being a news presenter.
Also I’ve died from Map falling twice, I’ve done 2 complete runs and have most keys on the first half of the pallets
100% of the time I died to getting swarmed and getting cornered or not being fast enough to escape them on my tail. Having high dps really helps in this mode.
When they hit you off the map you hit the B button to use the drone to fly back into a safer spot on the map the drone actually is what solves the overwhelming swarm in salmon run (obviously more needed in this mode tho cuz single player only)
For someone who has the dlc you gotta stop using squid or using weapons and use peral to get out of that situation sure ive died once to that but i forgot to stop using weapons
GET GOOD MADZ
I’m personally not that big of a fan of side order, but I did play it. And I never got killed by being thrown off the map. It’s all about positioning. Being caught at the corner is basically a death sentence, so you need to avoid the area at all costs
Most of my deaths actually come from being pingponged around by those big dudes or a missile killing me form off screen
so satisfying to finally see someone talking about this, about 80% of my deaths have been to getting pushed off! i literally had to upgrade the hurt jump height so i could pray to reposition myself back on the map and its not even a guarantee.
You could just use the pearl drone
Get gud and use your drone
Overwhelming enemies was never a problem for me but I’ve been pushed off the map before. In this case when ur armor is broken u get pushed into the air so it’s easy to glide away. U can even upgrade how high u get pushed into the air after ur armor is broken ! Very useful
Dying by falling off the map is REALLY annoying but just… When they push you in the air just fly…
I really believe that the gameplay is amazing, but I miss the mystery and story that Octo Expansion had to offer. The story of Side Order is good, but was answered immediately 💔
I normally use the drone to fly back onto the map after I've been hit off the edge tho i suggest if you can if your not used to the drone use the hack that makes you bounce high when you lose armor so you can safely glide away to get more armor back ive died about 2 times from falling off bc i didn't realize pearl could glide me to safety after getting hit
You got rougelike and routelite mixed up. RougeLIKES have progression between runs, rougeLITES don’t. Hades for example, which you mentioned, has permanent progression in the mirror of shadows and other stuff, and so does side order.
One of the main problems is that I can’t even play it! I downloaded the DLC, but the game just says I need to download it on EShop (even though I already have it), and then tells me to update it, even though my Switch says it’s on the latest update! What the heck!?
I'm hoping it gets updated in the future. Obviously new color chips, bosses, floors, and an infinite mode are up there but why isn't there anything to use Pearls on for multiplayer content like the vending machine in Octo Expansion.
I thought we'd finally have a way to get golden food tickets but nope.
Most of my deaths come from being bumped off the map too. I play with three lives, which is a good sweet spot to protect from cheap deaths while still being a challenge on certain levels. My only real advice is try to avoid getting cornered near map edges if possible and target the Lentos from far away; sticky or poison ink helps slow them down if you ink in front of them before dealing with smaller jelletons. You can also use Accelerandos to take out/bump away large swaths of enemies if you find them among the hordes, and Inkstrike or Splashdown are great specials for crowd control
(Disclaimer I understand ll your takes and I think this is a good video.) YOU FLOAT BACK TO THE STAGE WITH THE PEARL DRONE INSTEAD OF ATTACKING THE JELLETONS
I’ve died a couple of times to falling off the side but usually it’s just getting overwhelmed and falling back to the ground before my armor regenerates that kills me(except for the final boss because that usually just stingrays me or reef slider explosion kills me because it reaches surprisingly far.
I entirely agree, Having one or two more mission objectives, another boss (and or a second variant of the final boss) and that would fix the content and replayability aspects.
As for falling off the map due to an enemy bumping you, I can agree, it's annoying. The game gives plenty of tools to avoid this such as drone hovering on armor break. or if you don't have the upgrade yet, flinging yourself off the map also bounces you in the air as long as you have armor, which also allows you to glide and reposition yourself. But more often than not, you can get bounced off the map in a very unfair way and it's a very understandable turn off. It also sucks how that's just a general part of salmon run, a mode the dlc heavily bases itself on.
Generally I haven't nearly died as much by falling as I have getting swarmed by enemies because I'm very greedy, but considering how it feels rushed AND good (an extremely unlikely combo) It's definitely not perfect but still incredibly fun once you move past those issues. We probably won't get it but if Splatoon tries their hand at this again in the future (possibly in a future game) with the knowledge from Side Order and fix those few issues it'd be incredible.
i hope that they update side order and add more enemies because there's still some spots left empty on the jeletton guide
Use the pearl drone 6:40
Oh believe me, I've got into those situations where you're surrounded and those big guys headbutt you off the map plenty of times. But to get out of those situations, use either a Trizooka, Triple Inkstrike or Kraken, those will REALLY help in making them back the hell off
You know whats worse than the battering lento.the towering nobilmente
In the areas where you showed you dying, YOU NEED TO USE THE PEARL DRONE. Also I don’t think I’ve died like that much
Blud forgot about using the pearl drone 💀
as a rogue like player and a splatoon player: i still haven't gotten to the final floor because of my getting absolutely swarmed, the harder floors are also sometimes completely unfair as well and I'm left with increasing frustration instead of a desire to keep playing
are you trying to do a challenge run? Assuming you're mechanically skilled and knowledgeable of how roguelites work, are you struggling to optimize your chips? If you're having a really hard time the only thing I can assume is that you are either playing incorrectly or selecting the hardest levels every time without regard to how good the synergy the chip is with your weapon.
Like any roguelite make some basic plans for a build you want and work towards it while always adapting with the buffs you're given. Since you haven't won yet I'd avoid all pearl drone upgrades until you get more pirlz, and I'd focus on the power chips, and when you don't have access to power chips get one upgrade of pierce, one upgrade of homing, one or two main range upgrades, one or two main ink coverage upgrades sticky ink, hindrance damage + sticky ink (if you get poison damage only,) swim speed up (for final boss sting ray and reefsliders,) and then everything that buffs luck while increasing your chances of getting canned specials and/or armor and discs (note you'll definitely not get all of this in a game, but this is all the options I'd recommend to fall back on.) Since you prolly don't have continues don't be scared to go to the vending machines a lot since you can adjust your sub and special there. If you ever get crab tank, ultra stamp, sprinkler, or booyah bomb I'd buy it without thinking and then prepare to build around that.
If chip optimization is not the problem then don't over rely on your mechanical skill and instead strategize. You can pause mid level or at the very beginning of one and form a plan. You can glide on pearl drone frequently for extra mobility and you can always paint the map for your special. On splat zone levels target sprinkler and sniper enemies and on the fish chasing one fly as high as you can above the fishes and shoot at them from above to trap and kill them if your sub and/or special aren't doing the trick. For the final boss strategize portal order, and don't push your luck when it uses stingray and reefslider and instead retraet and paint for your special. Only kill enemies for items and survival, and use the springs and dradle bones when you cant get your special.
Rest is on you mate, but if you need more help lemme know
Aside from the gameplay, I actually think the biggest issue is the lack of story and tragicness. For newer players, the story might not be an issue, but for players who were around during the splatoon 2 final fest, it is very important because this is basically the alternate splatoon 3. It sucks we dont get much backstory on the bosses. Also what happened to all the creepy images? I thought those were pretty cool and got me extremely hyped up because I thought it was going to include some kind of horror story. Also the final boss design is bad (I'm not saying the gameplay is bad, I'm just saying a giant octopus isnt very good). In conclusion, I dont think the dlc is bad because its meant to focus on gameplay rather than story, but it had much, much more potential.
I got the DLC and I haven't had this issue. It's just part of the strategy of positioning; it's good to get a little more aggressive to punch through the enemy waves. While I have died this way a couple of times, it hasn't been that much. I had chalked it up to me putting myself in a bad position.
Additionally, while you're upset about enemies knocking you around, did you know that you can do the same to the enemies? There are some knockback upgrades for your primary weapon and for all explosives that can help keep enemies away! (It's so fucking hilarious to use the reef slider to take out one of the wheelie guys, only for them not to die to the explosion, but get flung off the map causing the mission to end! XD)
It could also help to try other weapons because I know that different types of upgrades are more common for different types of weapons (which is so freaking cool!) Don't be afraid to mix things up! Try new weapons and strategies! This game is tough, but I wouldn't say it's too hard! I'm loving it!
Whenever I get knocked off the map I try to use the drone and then remember I’m using the dulies…
My issue is pearl's sprinkler not working-
i'm sorry the last agreement is kind of a skill issue tbh you could just pearl drone your way back and in ( i'm pretty sure ) every clip you showed you were in octo form when you fell and we all know pearl won't do anything when your in octo form AND you can upgrade how high you go when your armor breaks so that makes you have EVEN MORE time to react yeah i don't want to be that guy but thats kind of a skill issue
you're the first person that I've heard has that specific problem, and honestly, it's your fault, you need to work on your awareness of your environment, that's a really big part of the DLC, learning to handle large hordes of enemies, where they come from, where to position yourself and what to do to advance the objective it's what makes it fun and challenging most of the time
5 times to falling off (3 of which with that stupid roll attack that ball boss does) 😢 : 5 times to enemies overwhelming me in every direction. I can relate to you and it’s so annoying.
Do you use the pearl drone? The boss launches you pretty high, and while I don't think I've been pushed out of the map before, you should be able to glide back on it with the drone.
I think only around maybe 10% of my deaths have been from falling off the map. As others have said, I have used the Pearl drone to catch myself in the air a good number of times, but also, I found it helped to go for knockback chips to keep the headbutting enemies from getting close as consistently.
I do agree that the lack of mission variety can make runs feel samey and I was wished there was more mission type like maybe protect the objective, survive either a certain time limit or waves, defeat a X amount of jellatons. One of the bosses parallel canon could have been a potential mission as well with some exclusive danger effects like having faster special charge or being alot mobile. Overall I still enjoyed side order but I do wished that there were some more mission variety
I don’t get hit off the edge THAT often really… but something that I ABSOLUTELY HATE is that you can’t hold your charge with a splatcharger. DOES ANYONE KMOW IF THERES A CHIP TO FIX THAT IM DIEING OVER HERE!!!
Yes there's a charge hold chip
There is an upgrade to bounce to back up if you get pushed up. Hopefully that fixes your issue! It does cost your armor but if you buy extra armor upgrades this won’t affect you as much.
Me and my little brother worked together to beat all 12 pallets. I completed 5 pallets and only lost one time by an enemy killing me. My brother completed 7 including agent 8's pallet. He died about 4 times but he did the 8's pallete without dying.
Overall, it's just getting through the first iteration of the game that's the hardest. We easily racked up a lot of pearls and invested mostly on weapon damage, pearl drone, and vending machines, and weakening enemies. We also quickly realized how overpowered the pearl drone is and we made sure to invest a decent number of chips on her.
Another strategy I took was completing my least favorite missions first so that I influence the game to give me the missions I like. My least favorite were the splat zones and my favorite were the portals.
7:20 Inking the floor + poison ink helps ever so slightly with this problem. Sometimes I'll get knocked off the edge and I'm too low for Pearl to take me back so I lose a life...
Yeah, I finished my first run today, and I can 1000% agree. The vast majority of my deaths were simply because of being overwhelmed when it just…shouldn’t have happened, and getting pushed off the side.
Not to mention, like, I know Pearl Drone can cause a slow-fall……but it’s so painfully easy to forget it and just fall instantly, when it COULD have saved me from getting launched off the map.
I think the worst was the final boss. I was glad I made it with over 6000 currency, cuz I Needed it because I had to reset Twice because of stupid deaths.
I’m not the best Splatoon player…but my god, the Reefsliders and Killer Wails that the boss used felt SO cheap. Like between those and the absolutely massive army of enemies, I almost never felt like I could get away from the Specials when they happened- especially the Reefsliders.
And it’s a BIG boss arena, so you’d think you shouldn’t have that issue. And yet…it happened way more times than it should have. Super frustrating final boss, with frankly, kinda fudged audio cues about what’s happening. It’s just a complete mental overload of a fight.
Still glad I did it though, and now I can play through it more without as much frustration, since…I completed it already, I got my beloved Inkopolis Square, so…now I can just have fun with it lol
i remember having my armor broken, getting sent up, getting my 2nd layer broken mid-air and then getting sent up to the sky where i was killed for being out of bounds
For those that are dying from falling off the map I have a solution for you all you need to do is get the upgrade that when your armor breaks you jump high in the air and the press b and you will glide down making so you can react more and you go faster in the air than if you were walking or swimming (with no perks or upgrades). I hope this helps and for anyone who is not playing the dlc good luck with your runs
I haven’t gotten too many fails to falling off the map, only once, but I’ve lost many lives to that (I have 3 max and tend to save up for the continue as I suck at Roguelites lmao)
There was this one time where i was popping off like a madman with a main weapon build, then all of a sudden one of those tower snipers does a fucking trickshot on me as the big guy bounced it off the map
3:12 minor correction: It's not an 8 ball in Side Order. It's an Infinity-ball. All of the game text referring to it uses the sideways 8, which is the universal symbol for "infinity" or "infinite"
And since an Infinity Ball can't fall off the edge, it certainly makes sense.
i am curently mid way through my last palette run and i ran into this issue only a few times, i can still complete most of my runs 1st try, maybe try staying further away from edges and make sure to keep the big guys at a distance, u have a bit of time before the atacking animation ends so make sure to use that to get away or splat them also jumping and using the drone while running is faster than jusr running to its useful if ur out of ink or trying to get through uninkable floors. hope this helps :)
A problem i have with it is that uou have to restart the entrie thing like one time i got the final boss down to the last slither of health and i lost my last life :(
The one thing i have a major problem with in side order does involve the colour chips, cause there are 68 colour chips in the entire DLC and you have to grab each one up to a set of 5 in order to see text dialogue from acht, marina and pearl but every single time you never see the colour chips you want, like for example, i wanted to grind on main ink saver but it didn't show up on one floor, and instead shows killer wail, armor drop and max lucky chain so i decide to refresh the floor and the new colour chips it gives me armor drop literally 3 resets in a row and it seriously annoys and angers me deeply, of course i do also agree the missions could have been made better by having them play similarly to the main game story where you get to explore more than just one platform as well as have the tower be more than just 30 floors.
I've only ever died from falling off the map once, most of my deaths have been from one enemy hitting me into another, the ball boss hitting me before bouncing off the corner of the map and hitting me again before I can move out the way or some other variation of being hit two times back to back without means of recovering
First thing I did was see if I could fall off the maps into water in the first floor and lobby. The same thing happened to me on the last boss but I knew from the moment I entered the tower that that was possible it is a bit of a rustle to the Jimmies but it's like a ring out in my mind.
You're not wrong about dying most of the time from falling off the map, but that's why you GOTTA get the upgrade that jumps you high in the air when you lose all your armour! It's SO helpful, literally helped me get out from a corner the big Jelletons put me in and kill the small weelie ones-
the jump upgrade and drone gliding together allow you to survive falling out of bounds, assuming you have armor to break
my biggest gripe with side order is that it wasn't really a challenge? at least to me, like yeah first run i got creamed but after that it just kind of was a breeze for me. I would purposely choose the hardest floors to give myself a challenge and still just plow through them, my time averaging from 30 seconds to 2 minutes each. and like even without some powerups/ hacks some levels just straight up hold your hand and give you things to camp on which makes it 10000 times easier?? and once you realize theres only 3 bosses nothings a challenge anymore, doesn't really keep me there after 3 runs.
I agree. That definitely needs to be more of a variety of missions. So far, I have only encountered 5 types, outside of boss battles
What kills me in side order is the ridiculous blast radius on enemy explosives and the tracking laser shot by the rotating tower and final boss. The homing is way too strong on that i can barely ever get away.
Broken armor jump has saved me from this… avoid getting hit too close to the edge, and use the Pearl drone to fly back onto the stage. If you’re desperate I guess you could also jump off the edge on purpose to avoid getting hit so you get that boost from the broken armor jump, then you can fly to safety
In my opinion Nintendo never disappoints me with their splatoon dlcs
RAAAHHHHH THE SIDE ORDER ART IS SO CUTE
Try to hold B to grab onto pearl and possibly glide back in the map.... or just slowly glide off the map
I completely agree with you on the variety being an issue. The thing is, like Salmon Run, Side Order is the perfect mode to add more variety to via updates: more Jellaton types, more bosses, more floor objectives, more Order weapons/Pallettes, more Cipher' Siftings unlockables...
...but with Splatoon 3 development seemingly wrapping up at the end of this summer, it unfortunately seems very unlikely to happen 😓
Its like 1 death being pushed off to 3 death by being horded in the corner of a map
whenever i would get pushed off, i think its pretty easy to glide back to the surface because of the bounce that it gives you once you fall. Then all you really have to do is avoid enemies
The same thing happened to me on my first run through of the game to where I was on the final floor and then got launched off by one of those homing exploders that spawned in right above me in instantly exploded
It is a thing, but I started trying to be more aware of ledges and treat them as a hazard and now I die more to things like those little missile guys.
Honesty, in the few runs I've failed and the about 20 successful runs, I've barely been pushed off, my death would be to more being surrounded, but even then the hack to be launched up when your armor breaks lets you just fly away and recuperate. My only issue is that the loop gets rather boring as excluding Portals, Arppegios and the scared fish, theres 9 enemies and 3 unique bosses, where youd fight 2 of them per run. Having unlocked every hack, bought every item and gotten the badges for capping on every chip... I see as much need to play runs as I do for Alterna after I 1000% it. Honestly what may be needed is something to keep you hooked on that can be worked to but either takes tons of time to finish or can never be finished but rewards you for the distance you put in.
1st of all Use. The. Drone. And 2nd of all, sounds like a skillet issue.
I lost 3 separate runs on the final boss with the octoshot because i simply couldn't get close enough to the final portal to kill it, because the enemies spawned to quickly, and as soon as i killed 1, it just respawns EXACTLY where i needed to be. Eventually i just said fuck it and turned on all the chips i had, and that worked. It was liberating coming back to life after thinking your run just ended, only to realise you have more than a single life now. It made me feel like god
bouncing off the map happens to me too sometimes, but for me my main cause of death is like 20 enemies attacking me from 3 sides each with no imaginable way to escape
I never die from falling off the map bc I remember to use the pearl drone to glide always die bc the fish things are surrounding me in all directions to the point that I literally can't move at all
I got a game over a total of 2 times before 100 percenting the DLC. The first time I panicked because of a new enemy type (the sniper tower) and the second time was during my first attempt at the final boss.
I only die to falling off the map like half the time. Especially with the final boss’s attack that sends you back which idk if it is intentional. I feel that this big problem is that half the time I’m in cutter and or menus, not playing
the biggest hurdle in side order regardless of how many hacks you use is aggro management. learning how to escape when you're overwhelmed and just bide your time while you slowly pick at the horde. i fully expect my salmon run co workers to go up in skill now. no excuse.
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sometimes you have to spend 15 minutes painting spots and running in front of a mob because you're using 8's pallet and you ran out of membucks so you can't reroll for anything but a rigorous 29f. eventually you get a break in the spawn and have your splashdown to annihilate that stupid mega portal while dodging nobilmente shots