ALRIGHT GUYS, I'VE FINALLY UPDATED MY WEBSITE! You all can find the written summary of Iliad book 2 via this link :) I hope these help xx www.moaninc.co.uk/homers-iliad/book-2-summary
For us the "Catalogue of Ships" may seem dull because we're not directly connected to that culture, but it's possible that it wasn't so bad to the ancient greeks who probably knew some of those people/places/stories (or wanted to learn more about them!). Maybe this long description contains references to people/places/stories from other works in the Epic Cycle (similarly how the Odyssey contains references to the Iliad), making it a bit more interesting.
imagine: this man was from New York, and his father was this very rich man, and this guy was from Richmond, his father was there too, and his brother was born in Boston, and this man (oh this man!) is a very rich man, with very mucho monies. this man was from Los Angeles, and he was a very poor man, yet his uncle you see, he stayed, and he is middle class. his dad (the uncle's father)...
I feel so bad for Calcus, cause he is *the* bearer of bad news. He has to tell some of the most temperamental men in Greece that the gods are pissed at them and that the war is going to take ten years, and you know after every vision he’s just crouching down on the ground going “why me?”
nah, Calchas, knew all the war is just bullshit are from gods and just chill. He died laughing. No duel, No shipwrecked, No pain. He could not give a crap, he knew he was safe. At least 90% of the Greek armies either died in the war, on the way home, and right after they arrived home. Calchas that he is going to outlive most of them. He said what the gods told him to say, so he had no real enemy and too valuable to lose. Unlike Cassandra, everyone listen to him, even hiding themselves a stupid horse because he said it would be a good idea.
These videos are responsible for getting me through quarantine with some degree of sanity. If I can't physically leave my house, at least I can visit ancient Greece via Moan Inc. for a while!
Hi!, I just wanted to thank you because OMG, that list of ships was feeling eternal for me and i skipped it, so i was worried that i missed something important. Greetings from Venezuela 🇻🇪 you have a new subscriber
I really liked your description of Agamemnon 😂 he totally is just an angry person. I also feel like this about him when I read the Iliad 😂 Great content!!!
Love the content! Currently taking a college course on the ancient Greeks for fun and the Iliad is our first reading assignment. We will be skipping around quite a bit for some reason? I imagine that will become clear later. I’ll have to circle back and read the Iliad in it’s entirety later on. I love the enthusiasm and straightforward videos!
Hi friend! Went out and bought the Barnes and Noble two-fer of the Iliad and The Odyssey today, Butler translation, and I found it to be super readable and enjoyable after watching your videos. Girl I’m 40 years old and have no poetic street cred to prove to anyone so being able to read it (the first book so far anyway) has been lovely and honestly kind of relatable. I picture Bradley Cooper as Achilles though, not sure why but brain was like “oh hey he’s this guy in your minds eye”. Just wanted to comment and also - I be letting those ads run girl 💰. Anyway thanks again ❤ Edited for autocorrect be dammed, damned? Idk.
I can never get over the part that Dream takes the apperance of Nestor, then goes visit Agemamnon, to just tell him 'Hey, I am not actually Nestor, I am Dream'. Why even take the apparence of Nestor then?
Because Dream had to be able to get past Agamemnon’s guards into his tent. Taking on an elder like Nestor would make it easy to get inside A’s tent at like 2am without arousing suspicion that something afoul was happening
Hey Erica I'm new here and loving your videos :) can't believe you don't have more subscribers with this top notch content! Just subscribed and ready to binge your videos :)
I can listen to it all the day 🙃...btw thank u ma'am... Impressed with the lively lecture ... ❤️🥰....your eyes are beautiful🙃 please don't mind...but obviously you are🙈❤️
Since this was recited by bards and rich guys would say, "Let's hear book 1 or 2 or 14..." I'm sure there were some who were f'ing with the bards and would request Book 2, just to see if they could do it.
That’s just his Roman name!!!!! Weird choice admittedly, but just an alternate name for the god (in a totally different country* in a totally different time period**)
I'm reading Fagles' version and on page 124, line 874: "The famed Achilles/towered over them all, he and the battle-team/that bore the peerless son of Peleus into war./But off in his beaked seagoing ships he lay,/raging away at Atrides Agamemnon, king of armies,/when his men sported along the surf, marking time,/...the great man of war hung back from the fighting." Yet, on page 127, line 972: "Down he went, crushed by racing Achilles' hands, destroyed/in the river where he slaughtered other Trojans too." And again, line 986: "....down he went, crushed by racing Achilles' hands, destroyed/ at the ford where battle-hard Achilles stripped his gold away." So, Achilles is supposed to be sitting this battle out, yet he isn't? Is this a translation error from all the oral versions mixed into one written version?
I think the second and third reference relates to Achilles exploits sometime earlier in the 9 years prior. Remember this is the tenth year. That’s my interpretation anyway
Heyyy Erica hope u r doing good, I'm a new subscriber from India just wanted to make a little point here that as an Indian smtimes I don't get ur accent right as u speak quite swiftly so can u plz speak a little slower so we can also understand every line perfectly.....but truly love ur videos waiting for more content from u Lots of love from India ❤
I actually read it a few years ago, but can’t remember a god damn thing 😅 I’ll be re-reading it though and discussing the characters/plot in a video sometime during 2022!!
@@MoAnInc I know!! Thankfully I stuck with it and finished the full book, but during that part I was thinking "can I really finish a book that tells you about 38292726 ships" 🤣🤷🏻♂️. I love this series you're doing btw.
ALRIGHT GUYS, I'VE FINALLY UPDATED MY WEBSITE! You all can find the written summary of Iliad book 2 via this link :) I hope these help xx www.moaninc.co.uk/homers-iliad/book-2-summary
Homer about to start Book II: Sing, O Muse…
Calliope: 💅🏻
Homer:…OK, I’ll just list the ships
AHAHAHAHA probably 😂😆
For us the "Catalogue of Ships" may seem dull because we're not directly connected to that culture, but it's possible that it wasn't so bad to the ancient greeks who probably knew some of those people/places/stories (or wanted to learn more about them!). Maybe this long description contains references to people/places/stories from other works in the Epic Cycle (similarly how the Odyssey contains references to the Iliad), making it a bit more interesting.
I also think it could’ve been a way of honoring the names of the people who fought, so that they would always be remembered 🙂
imagine: this man was from New York, and his father was this very rich man, and this guy was from Richmond, his father was there too, and his brother was born in Boston, and this man (oh this man!) is a very rich man, with very mucho monies. this man was from Los Angeles, and he was a very poor man, yet his uncle you see, he stayed, and he is middle class. his dad (the uncle's father)...
I feel so bad for Calcus, cause he is *the* bearer of bad news. He has to tell some of the most temperamental men in Greece that the gods are pissed at them and that the war is going to take ten years, and you know after every vision he’s just crouching down on the ground going “why me?”
For real though - Kalchas himself has done nothing wrong a bears the brunt of all these men’s anger 🤦🏻♀️
nah, Calchas, knew all the war is just bullshit are from gods and just chill. He died laughing. No duel, No shipwrecked, No pain. He could not give a crap, he knew he was safe.
At least 90% of the Greek armies either died in the war, on the way home, and right after they arrived home. Calchas that he is going to outlive most of them. He said what the gods told him to say, so he had no real enemy and too valuable to lose. Unlike Cassandra, everyone listen to him, even hiding themselves a stupid horse because he said it would be a good idea.
These videos are responsible for getting me through quarantine with some degree of sanity. If I can't physically leave my house, at least I can visit ancient Greece via Moan Inc. for a while!
🥺❤️
Hi!, I just wanted to thank you because OMG, that list of ships was feeling eternal for me and i skipped it, so i was worried that i missed something important. Greetings from Venezuela 🇻🇪 you have a new subscriber
Hahaha it’s important if you’re really studying the book in depth, but for just a summary/first time read, it’s definitely okay to skip!
Gosh how I love this so much, you are such a joy to watch.
Thank you 🙃
I just realised these ancient melodramas are best retold by women. It suits their disposition.
i agree! the men take it too seriously
so real
I really liked your description of Agamemnon 😂 he totally is just an angry person. I also feel like this about him when I read the Iliad 😂
Great content!!!
Hahaha he absolutely is! And thank you so much for watching ❤️
Erica forgetting the word for "dawn" had me laughing! She's so much better than dusty, serious academics.
I can remember an Ancient Greek story with ease, but the specific English words of my first language??? Questionable.
@@MoAnInc lol, you remind me of myself
I am with Thersites. Screw Agamemnon and Odysseus.
😂🤣
I agree. Thersites is like today's laborers and Agamemnon & Odysseus are employers.
Love the content! Currently taking a college course on the ancient Greeks for fun and the Iliad is our first reading assignment. We will be skipping around quite a bit for some reason? I imagine that will become clear later. I’ll have to circle back and read the Iliad in it’s entirety later on. I love the enthusiasm and straightforward videos!
Enjoy your class and thank you so much for watching!!! 🫶🏼
I'm obsessed with this channel!!!
🥺 oh man ❤️
You are life saver, I have my sem exams tomorrow and this video helped me understand book2 so easily! Thank you so much!!!
Good luck on the exam!!! ❤️
@@MoAnInc It went awesome!!! 😄
I’m enjoying your channel. A fun and informative presentation and now I’m on onto Book 3.🎉
Thanks for watching!!! ❤️
If you're Greek, you boringly read the catalogue of ships because your home village is somewhere in there 😂
Oh but that’s cute tho ☺️
Hah so true! I also read it to see which villages I went to as a tourist to Greece and Turkey!
Hi friend! Went out and bought the Barnes and Noble two-fer of the Iliad and The Odyssey today, Butler translation, and I found it to be super readable and enjoyable after watching your videos. Girl I’m 40 years old and have no poetic street cred to prove to anyone so being able to read it (the first book so far anyway) has been lovely and honestly kind of relatable. I picture Bradley Cooper as Achilles though, not sure why but brain was like “oh hey he’s this guy in your minds eye”. Just wanted to comment and also - I be letting those ads run girl 💰. Anyway thanks again ❤ Edited for autocorrect be dammed, damned? Idk.
Uhm I’m not mad at Bradley Cooper being your Achilles?? What a great choice??? 👀
And thank you for letting the ads run oh my god you’re the best 🤩🤩🤩
Thx for this much needed review of book 2
:)
I can never get over the part that Dream takes the apperance of Nestor, then goes visit Agemamnon, to just tell him 'Hey, I am not actually Nestor, I am Dream'. Why even take the apparence of Nestor then?
Because Dream had to be able to get past Agamemnon’s guards into his tent. Taking on an elder like Nestor would make it easy to get inside A’s tent at like 2am without arousing suspicion that something afoul was happening
I just started reading the Iliad again after 40 years and this channel gets recommended. Can UA-cam read minds now??? 😱😂
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Hey Erica I'm new here and loving your videos :) can't believe you don't have more subscribers with this top notch content! Just subscribed and ready to binge your videos :)
Oh man 🥺 thank you so much 😭 it means the world to me!
Got me hooked. Thumbs way up👍🏻
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your videos are really helpful!!!
I’m so glad you think so!!! 🥺❤️
girl I am not into anything greek or ancient but I just need help with my homework. thanks girl...
NEEDED**
Not yet*** into anything Greek or ancient 😏
@@MoAnInc btw your videos have been so helpful and the iliad has been a challenge for me but u made it SO MUCH easier😁
I can listen to it all the day 🙃...btw thank u ma'am... Impressed with the lively lecture ... ❤️🥰....your eyes are beautiful🙃 please don't mind...but obviously you are🙈❤️
Hahaha thank you 🖤
I have to do summer reading and cannot understand the Iliad for the life of me! Thank you so so much
I promise it's much easier than it appears to be!!! I hope you enjoy it :)
Episode 2 let's goooooo
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Ooo this should be interesting to hear about Helen , do we also get to hear about Andromache?
Not yet, but soon!!! She comes up in book 6 and oh my god is it adorable
@@MoAnInc yesss love her !!!
Since this was recited by bards and rich guys would say, "Let's hear book 1 or 2 or 14..." I'm sure there were some who were f'ing with the bards and would request Book 2, just to see if they could do it.
For some reason in the copy of the Iliad I'm listening to on Audible they call Zeus Jove. WTF
That’s just his Roman name!!!!! Weird choice admittedly, but just an alternate name for the god (in a totally different country* in a totally different time period**)
Samee
I'm reading Fagles' version and on page 124, line 874: "The famed Achilles/towered over them all, he and the battle-team/that bore the peerless son of Peleus into war./But off in his beaked seagoing ships he lay,/raging away at Atrides Agamemnon, king of armies,/when his men sported along the surf, marking time,/...the great man of war hung back from the fighting." Yet, on page 127, line 972: "Down he went, crushed by racing Achilles' hands, destroyed/in the river where he slaughtered other Trojans too." And again, line 986: "....down he went, crushed by racing Achilles' hands, destroyed/ at the ford where battle-hard Achilles stripped his gold away." So, Achilles is supposed to be sitting this battle out, yet he isn't? Is this a translation error from all the oral versions mixed into one written version?
I think the second and third reference relates to Achilles exploits sometime earlier in the 9 years prior. Remember this is the tenth year. That’s my interpretation anyway
Heyyy Erica hope u r doing good, I'm a new subscriber from India just wanted to make a little point here that as an Indian smtimes I don't get ur accent right as u speak quite swiftly so can u plz speak a little slower so we can also understand every line perfectly.....but truly love ur videos waiting for more content from u
Lots of love from India ❤
Thanks this was great
Thank you for watching!!! :)
@@MoAnInc yeah fs! I’m gonna watch all of them bc I’m reading it for school and it makes zero sense without your explanation 😂
Who knew a list of ships could be called poetry? 😂
😂😂😂
Ever read Shakespeare’s “Troilus and Cressida”? The characterization of Thersites is a scream.
I actually read it a few years ago, but can’t remember a god damn thing 😅 I’ll be re-reading it though and discussing the characters/plot in a video sometime during 2022!!
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Yea that list of ships almost put me off from reading the book 🤣
DON’T WORRY IT GETS BETTER!!!! I PROMISE
@@MoAnInc I know!! Thankfully I stuck with it and finished the full book, but during that part I was thinking "can I really finish a book that tells you about 38292726 ships" 🤣🤷🏻♂️. I love this series you're doing btw.
Funny title.
Book 2 = 877 lines to tell Greeks went to fight Trojans.
It's annoying.
Can you speak a little slower please because you're speaking little faster
So sorry! I know I really have to address my speaking speed haha
I watch it in 0.75x and it sounds normal 😂