Mandela effect is so fun and silly when it's just "omg! We all remember Pikachu having a dark spot at the tip of his tail, but he doesn't! Why did that happen??" and not "The thing I remember is not true therefore I must be from another reality because I cannot possibly misremember something"
I have noticed things that I was wrong about. like the slinky song wasn't how I remembered, but I hadn't heard it in 20+ years and I don't jump to thinking I'm from another dimension, little kid me remembered something that adult me didn't put together completely. Was just wrong about part of the words, nothing crazy going on.
I feel like the biggest tell that it’s just bad memory is that the memories aren’t consistent. You know the whole berentstein vs berenstain bears one (idk how to spell it but the -stein/-stain part is the important part)? I always remembered it as berenstine
No, it’s crazy because Pikachu did have a black tip on its tail. It just depended on whether they were female or male. I remember reading a Pokémon book so vividly
@@Cassfrassit didn’t, female pikachu have a little divot in the tail that makes it look sort of like a heart. the gender differences were introduced in gen iv and still exist, they’re not some misremembered thing that there isn’t actual evidence for. the black tail tip is totally different then that, probably people just getting its black ear tips and the brown at the base of its tail mixed up
@@Cassfrasserika is right, the gender differences are just whether there’s a divot on its tail, but the cosplay pikachu from gen 6 does have a black heart on its tail and is always female
I remember seeing a video of a distressed woman in her bathroom freaking out bc her husband remembered something differently than her and she was convinced that she had dimension shifted and the man she called her husband was not the same man she married. And like, idk if that was real, but it always stuck with me and is one of the reasons conspiracies are never fun for me. When you're already struggle with some kind of paranoia you can latch onto these ideas so quickly
was so relieved that you guys pointed out that memory is SO plastic and untrustworthy - i feel like this is dunning-kruger effect, they’re just so confident in their memory that the literal world has to be wrong, not themselves
yeah like maybe if there was a massive label difference that a whole bunch of people from a lot of places remember and there's no records of it existing ever, maybe then I'd consider it. But all of it so far is just shit I'd see and be like, ah, guess i misremembered. Like with oscar meyer, i don't remember the spelling of every brand i've ever seen of course i'd spell it however makes the most sense for my brain. Which is 50/50 gonna be wrong. Show me 50000 people including new yorkers who swear the statue of liberty was bright purple yesterday and I might get weirded out
a small example of this that kind of sums up the mandela effect for me is when someone comments a quote from the video they just watched 2 seconds ago but they still somehow manage to direly misquote it, and then they get 15k likes and no one corrects them. people misremember stuff allll the time en masse and are very suggestible to new 'memories'
Friendly reminder that the "false memory" narrative is driven by CIA operatives. It is true we often have fuzzy or imperfect memories and rarely remember 100% detail on anything. It is not true that thousands of people can hallucinate the same specific memory with contextual details. I love the SadBoiz but they are spreading CIA propaganda here.
That's not what dunning-kruger is... Not to be an asshole, but it seems mean to basically use this as effectively a sly way of calling people arrogant idiots.
Would like to agree w jarvis that the wording of those Mandela effect posts can be very triggering/unsafe for experience derealization or psychosis. Hearing you guys logically talk it through really helped my brain.
one example of worn out art changing our perspective of the past are actually the famous white greek statues, they were originally painted with really vibrant colors that completly changed the vibe, they actually felt alive
I joined a Mandela Effect facebook group thinking it would be fun and relatable examples of things we can hardly believe are mis-remembered. However it was people saying everything was a “timeline jump”, conspiracies about CERN altering reality, and lots of paranormal experiences that could be easily explained. From simple things like the spelling of Doritos (in “their timeline” it was definitely Dorritos), to something about Criss Angel being in cahoots with demons allowing him to actually levitate over the Luxor. I asked if they actually believe the Criss Angel thing and they said “you think he did that by himself?” As if the thing in question wasn’t whether he actually levitated but if it was through his own powers or those of demons.
I think with some of these Mandela effects it's just people's brains not having a direct visual reference in mind, and then filling in the gaps. Maybe Guy Fieri didn't wear visors, but guys in that time w that style would wear visors, so we just associate it.
If y’all haven’t looked into it, you might appreciate the idea of “spoon theory.” It’s used a lot in the chronically ill community, but a lot of otherwise disabled people use it as well. It’s basically the idea that people with these conditions have less “spoons” (basically units of energy, but it might be physical, mental, etc.) to use during the day than other people. It’s really helped me reconceptualize my idea of what my limits and maximums are for me without comparing myself as much to others.
that’s similar to my theory about pikachu’s black tail tip, people getting its black ear tips and brown at the base of its tail mixed up/combined in their memories
My theory is that it's just because "jiffy" is a more common word than "jif" and there's a bunch of other brands called "Jiffy" (Jiffy Lube, Jiffy cornbread mix, etc) Edit: To clarify, the Jif/Skippy confusion is probably a factor as well, I think it's most likely a combination of both
i had to read that like three times lmao i've always wondered why people censor random stuff sometimes? genuinely curious is it a comedic thing or is it just to confuse people
@@dormant5023 Shane is v problematic so that and also it’s kinda funny to censor it… and sorry it took you a while to figure out who I was referring to 😭😭😭
@@dormant5023I don’t know why people do it in UA-cam comments but on sites like Twitter and tumblr it can prevent people from finding your post by searching for the censored term, since some people like to search for posts to start arguments about. So you’ll see people censor the name of controversial figures or pieces of media to lessen the chance of hostile stans discovering the post
The dog talk hit hard. We just had a rescue fail where we had to return a dog to the shelter, which was one of the hardest things I've had to do. She is high energy, which we thought we could manage with visits to the dog park in combination with long walks, but then she got out of the dog park by wiggling under a gap in the fence. She really needs a family with a couple of kids to play with her and tucker her out. If anyone's in Cape Breton, the dog is a 5 year old beagle named Lacey. Spread the word to get her a forever home!
Last year I had a rescue fail with a kitten who became highly aggressive to our other cat. When we took her back, she was trying to fight cats who she had previously loved and she was growling and biting and had to be separated from the other cats at her rescue, and we never found out what was wrong :( Rescue fails are so hard, I'm sorry you went through it :( but also thank you so much for doing what's right for the dog to have the best life it can have 💙
The tubby custard video was for sure fake but I believe there was actually a separate thing around the same time or a little bit before about a substance called "pink slime" that was actually used in fast food for a while, although most companies now have (claimed to have) stopped using it.
The Mandella Effect is so funny 2 me bc it really shows how overconfident people are with their memory, and they cant accept that they're just wrong lol. I love psychology, it's my special interest and memory as a topic is so interesting. Human memories are so soooo unreliable, they can easily be misconstrued or messed with. Like even witness testimonys, while important, are unfortunately very unreliable and cant be used as a huge basis of evidence in court and stuff. I remember (lol) watching a clip about this psych experiment in my AP-psych class where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated (minor) car accident. When the groups were asked to describe it right after, 1 group was told to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was told to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never actually happened.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident". Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable. These Mandella Effect stories are most of the time just ppl not remembering things correctly.
1:20:20 the mona lisa was painted to smile but very little so that it looks like she isn't smiling sometimes. it's the same with the background of the painting, the horizon lines look lined up but they're completely off if you actually look at them. it's why the mona lisa is considered a masterpiece, the painting is designed to trick your mind
At the end they should have thanked Drew Gooden and then cut to a wide shot to show that he's just been sitting in the guest chair the entire episode. Edit: I realize Eddy in his headset would have been better. Making a reference 20 minutes late
I thought the Fruit of the Loom thing turned out to be like a crypto (not currency) marketing thing where it literally did have a cornucopia, but they lied to get people to talk about them.
@@-bugbite there's videos and pics out there, but since the last time I remember doing research or whatever on this, there's been more stuff surface. Snopes is currently siding with fruit of the loom in that it was never there, and I'm fine admitting my dumb lizard brain was probably just wrong lmao
College athletes can make brand deals now. Sports radio can’t stop complaining about the identity of teams changing because athletes can make financial decisions instead of just being swayed entirely by the coach’s recruiting pitch.
it fascinates me as a disabled person how often these two end up describing Spoon Theory without realizing they're describing a specific thing the disabled community has created entire terminology to define and talk about
its a way of describing how disability and chronic illness makes energy to do anything a limited resource. its pretty easy to find entire diagrams describing it on google@@he.said.teenjiejer
@@he.said.teenjiejerit’s a metaphor, the theory that people, but more specifically talking about people with disabilities, have a finite amount of energy per day so they have to plan what they do everyday to make sure they have enough energy for the day,
@@he.said.teenjiejerto elaborate on what the person above me said, the metaphor uses “spoons” as the person having a set number of spoons everyday, which they can use to do tasks and events. The number of starting spoons can vary from person to person, and even day to day for the same person. Each activity such as socializing, doing laundry, showering, reading a book, talking on the phone, going to an appointment, etc, costs a certain amount of amount of spoons. Some things are low cost, like reading or doing a hobby you enjoy. Some things have a medium cost, like self care or some chores. Other things cost a lot of spoons, like going out to a social event, going into work or school, going to the gym, etc. Once you’ve spent all your spoons, you essentially can’t do anymore. So it’s key to carefully plan your day if you can, so you don’t run out of spoons. It’s very helpful for understanding oneself, and even teaching others about how you function specifically.
May I straighten out the visor thing? There's a popular visor you can buy that has a hairstyle on it. It's common sports merch like foam fingers. It has been around for many, many years. Then Guy Fieri comes to TV with his wild hair and his sunglasses on backward. I can see how a ton of people would misremember this as Guy wearing a visor.
I have OCD and one of my obsessions for a while was whether or not I was remembering events as they actually happened. My brain literally developed compulsions to cope with that anxiety. So the idea of the Mandela Effect, which to me just seems like people just being maybe a little too certain in their ability to remember things, is WILD to me lol like that obsession is in recovery now, but even now if someone tells me I misremembered something I'm just like "Huh, I mean it's possible, brains are fucking weird!!" like I just cant imagine feeling the need to be like double down so hard that I conspirise about things that are even more esoteric and impossible to prove than whether or not there was ever a cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo lmfao
I love Mandela effects. Personally I'm more willing to believe that universes collided to change points in time instead of me just misremembering something
??.. it's just basic psychology though. It's totally fine to be interested in "mandalla effects", but i dont understand why you cant just admit that the human brain is dumb sometimes and that our memories are very unreliable. Thats why witness testimonys in courts arent used as solid evidence, bc it is very easy for ppl to miss remember things. Like there was this psych experiment where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated, minor car crash. When they were asked to describe it right after, one group was asked to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was asked to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never happend.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident". Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable, it's just psychology, not anything else
??.. it's just basic psychology though. It's totally fine to be interested in "mandalla effects", but i dont understand why you cant just admit that the human brain is dumb sometimes and that our memories are very unreliable. Thats why witness testimonys in courts arent used as solid evidence, bc it is very easy for ppl to miss remember things. Like there was this psych experiment where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated, minor car crash. When they were asked to describe it right after, one group was asked to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was asked to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never happend.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident". Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable, it's just psychology, not anything else
I never remember my dreams so I’ve never understood what a “stress dream” was but I lost my keys a week ago and since then I’ve had four stress dreams about looking for them. I find them everytime but I wake up immediately afterwards.
I've always found the Mandela effect interesting. I think it's actually a really good term. Not some sort of supernatural phenomenon or global conspiracy but a legitimate social phenomenon. These people made fairly common mistakes about subjects they aren't very interested in, such as history or spelling, because people's memories aren't great. But our memories, even wrong ones, can feel completely real. So rather than admit their memories are fallible they find other people who's memories failed them in similar ways. All of this because people don't like to admit that our memories aren't events, they're our thoughts of events and can be wrong.
yeah, it works as a term/concept and can be fun to talk about, but only if it’s used to describe this social phenomenon with memory. once people start talking about it as though it’s something more than that and describing it as though it’s spooky and supernatural i have to exit the conversation lol
What gets me most about the Mandella Effect being explained by alternate worldlines colliding is how easily it falls apart by asking "okay so when did these realities collide?" The answer is never sufficient due to the large number of supposed individual differences and how many different age categories have experienced this.
The thing with the Mona Lisa is that it was painted at a time when it was very unusual to represent someone as smiling on their portrait. Also it's just faint enough coupled with her knowing gaze to give this mysterious vibe that has had scholars going feral over.
I want a Jacob cam that is just a rendering of a behemoth with a tentacled screen that just drones ominously every time you refer to him, then cut the usual pov of the main cams and his cheery voice answering. (Also the Anastasia cam, love y'all)
The fact that I, without hesitation, stopped working to say "Yes!" out loud to the Anastasia Cam proposal before Jarvis even finished his sentence. More Anastasia!!
judge jo brown almost broke me cause i knew in my soul who was going to pop up, who you must have had confused, then a whole nother person popped up, my sister was on the dr joy browne show and she destroyed every taping of it anyone in the family had, haven't been able to get a hold of it since, turns out they both exist in the same universe
This is the take on the Mandela Effect that I need to show people in the future that haven't heard of it. just outright, sometimes you're wrong and I can also imagine that. Thanks.
Fun fact! there actually IS a Pikachu with black on the end of its tail. its called "cosplay Pikachu" it has black on its tail to distinguish the heart on the end! You could only get them in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Since they were so special you also couldn't transfer them. because of this they are very rare and can only be obtained in those games :)
It's weird that Jordan's grandfather had a monkey while serving in the military, seeing as my grandfather also had a monkey while serving in the military. He was a U.S. Marine, and his monkey's name was Mumbles on account of the noises the little guy made. He passed away in 2022 at 83 but he would've loved to hear that someone else had the same experience as him in regards to his little friend. ❤️ 1:27:15
Jarvis’s frustration with the Mandela Effect dude complaining about stolen content is exactly the same as mine with Swiftie fan accounts. Like girl, you’re not the first person to think “What if I made a compilation of the best Eras Tour moment!?!” There’s also them complaining about their videos getting taken down for “no reason”. You’d think Swifties would understand what copyright ownership is!
The reason it seems like everyone has an 'original' so and so is that painters would paint the same thing 100 or more times in a row until they feel they get it just right. It stands to reason that there are several original Monalisa, and that there could be some variation amongst them. People might be remembering one of these other editions, they're all originals, they're all "real" Monalisa.
if you guys are curious about the looney *tunes* thing, its because it was a play on disney's "silly symphonies" on its own, its easy to mistake tunes for toons, though it helps when its paired with the "merrie melodies" title card
i love the mandela effect & i find it fascinating but the concept of inventing an entire new universe for every time you’re wrong about something is admittedly very funny
My only knowledge as it pertains to Dr. Dre is that the first time I had ever heard of him was a Dr. Pepper commercial in which Dre says, "Trust me, I'm a doctor" & I had no idea who he was, so I assumed this was just some famous retired surgeon.
I just finished my first BG3 playthrough this week (270 hours lolol). I told myself I wasn't going to start another one, because there's other games I want to play, and I've been neglecting my other hobbies, but every time you guys start talking about it, I'm like.... I should play........
7:14 I stopped devoting my entire life to hockey once I realized that even if I made it “big” (as big as was available for women in the 00’s), I didn’t want to keep up that lifestyle. You get used to it, sure, but you miss out on so much more of life. I had hockey 6 days a week and was working out every day, and I missed out on so many fun things. I took the year off I’m grade 12 and just played rec roller hockey and was so amazed with how much time I had for friends and experiencing other parts of life. I can’t imagine doing that all through post secondary as well.
I think the fruit of the loom one is explainable. I sort of think that there was a time where the brand logo wasn’t as standardized and some production areas were using a test image that never was supposed to be official. Or I think there were bootleg fruit of the loom shirts around, so technically fruit of the loom is right but the bootlegs had the cornucopia.
My mum used to walk our childhood dog by tying the leash to the car, putting it in neutral, and letting him walk the car... his name was Boss, and he was huge (and a little dopey - he would scale 6 foot high fences, but wouldn't cross the waist-high metal gate).
Haven't finished yet but the Mandela effect is crazy to me because i have ADHD so the worst memory ever and you could say any of my memories are wrong and id believe you. I am also probably very easy to gasslight.
Shout out to a UA-cam Channel called Internet Comment Etiquette. He covers various topics. One such topic was on the Mandela Effect. But he's covered it several times. And each time he talks about it he deletes his older version to gaslight people into thinking it's the first time he's talked about it, creating an artificial Mandela Effect.
hey i’ll be honest. it’s really good to get into a really healthy routine. my father is 58 & he wakes up at 5 am every morning to go on a morning run. he an my step mother still participate in marathons. he wouldn’t be able to do this if he didn’t start years ago
The Berenstain Bears vs Berenstein is actually real and not Mandela effect because there are many instances of misprints occurring. I wish I still had my books, but remembering them, pretty sure mine said Berenstain even though I thought it was berenstein
I can def see there being an issue w misprints, but It's the other way around. The "real" version is Berenstain, not Stein, so I'd imagine you *would* have books that say Barenstain, lol.
Some of these people are definitely thinking about other things and just confusing them in their minds, like the Jif vs Jiffy peanut butter? People are probably thinking about Jiffy Pop the little popcorn on the handle you would cook over the stove/campfire and pop. I can relate to Jarvis getting frustrated because these also have me at the end of my rope when they come up in conversations 😅
Plus as a kid I’m sure I called it “Jiffy” peanut butter because as a toddler you say “Jiffy!” because it’s objectively more fun to say and toddlers do not care for Corporate Jif
What kills me most about Mandela effects is 80% of them are about spelling/ image misconception but it's named after believing a man died way sooner than he did
54:37 Is it just me or is the first Judge Judy photo obviously from a different older season than the second one? The first one is probably from those 90s episodes where she did have a gavel.
40:31 the fruit of the loom logo actually did have a cornucopia!! the company just lied lmfao. countless people have found their old clothes with the logo having it plus people going into old public records and finding the original logo, they just decided to change it and pretend it never happened and use the "Mandela effect" as a cover for some reason, but the cornucopia on the logo was VERY real‼️‼️
@@oliviadoriannmaybe cause it gets people talking about their company and they get free publicity out of it? I can't really think of any other reason why they'd lie about a trivial thing like this
Omg I'm halfway through my first playthrough of bg3 on the steam deck. Really enjoying it so far, so ready to listen to the baldurs gate sad boyz nights ep soon
The Mandela effect thing is baffling to me. It is just logos and spellings that changed very slightly and also the history of an entire country. To me thinking that Nelson Mandela died in prison is so strange because he didn't just go to prison and then die (either in prison or in 2013), he was also the first democratically elected president of South Africa, he was a struggle hero and was an instrumental figure in the peaceful transition from Apartheid to democracy. In their "universe" who was the first president of the new South Africa? Or did Apartheid never end? Like if you dont have answers to those questions then it seems a lot more likely that you just weren't paying attention to South African news in the 90s than some sort of universe collision or whatever.
All seriousness, i have one. So back in 2019 i got in a long argument with a roommate about the Bill & Ted movies and i swore up and down i had seen number 3...i described scenes from it, i remembered the plot. I knew i was right and refused to back down. I saw it not long after number 2. I loved those movies. I had to eat crow a year later when number 3 came out. 😵💫🤯
@@scoobydont the same one it turned out to be. They needed a song from them and then created it together. The only difference was absolutely terrible aging up of Bill & Ted...it was really janky. What I am legitimately wondering is if I went to a test screening. And it got such bad feedback they shelved it until CGI improved. Cuz I know I saw it. But I honestly do not believe in merged universes because there would be way more chaos than just some messed up consumer goods. But I have no clue how to verify that there was a test screening back in the 90s. Another reason I think it might have been a test screening possibly...is that I had been to other test screenings. I just have no way to verify my claims.
You guys have pavloved my brain into needing to clean the kitchen when I see a sad boyz upload because I always listen while I do the dishes and clean
Maybe I should train myself to do that so I can actually clean my dishes 🥴
@@dont-worry-about-it-but there will just be more dishes
reject dishes
eat your own shit
I have the same thing with folding laundry
I thought I was the only one 😫 now am hard wired to start cleaning my room whenever there's a new upload lol
I’m literally tidying up my kitchen right now too
Im still surprised one of the opening gags hasnt been
Jarvis: im jarvis
Jordan: im johnson
It happens in my head all the time 😂
in MY universe it is..
I love that Jordan never misses a beat with the Jan 6 jokes.
Mandela effect is so fun and silly when it's just "omg! We all remember Pikachu having a dark spot at the tip of his tail, but he doesn't! Why did that happen??" and not "The thing I remember is not true therefore I must be from another reality because I cannot possibly misremember something"
I have noticed things that I was wrong about. like the slinky song wasn't how I remembered, but I hadn't heard it in 20+ years and I don't jump to thinking I'm from another dimension, little kid me remembered something that adult me didn't put together completely. Was just wrong about part of the words, nothing crazy going on.
I feel like the biggest tell that it’s just bad memory is that the memories aren’t consistent. You know the whole berentstein vs berenstain bears one (idk how to spell it but the -stein/-stain part is the important part)? I always remembered it as berenstine
No, it’s crazy because Pikachu did have a black tip on its tail. It just depended on whether they were female or male. I remember reading a Pokémon book so vividly
@@Cassfrassit didn’t, female pikachu have a little divot in the tail that makes it look sort of like a heart. the gender differences were introduced in gen iv and still exist, they’re not some misremembered thing that there isn’t actual evidence for. the black tail tip is totally different then that, probably people just getting its black ear tips and the brown at the base of its tail mixed up
@@Cassfrasserika is right, the gender differences are just whether there’s a divot on its tail, but the cosplay pikachu from gen 6 does have a black heart on its tail and is always female
I remember seeing a video of a distressed woman in her bathroom freaking out bc her husband remembered something differently than her and she was convinced that she had dimension shifted and the man she called her husband was not the same man she married. And like, idk if that was real, but it always stuck with me and is one of the reasons conspiracies are never fun for me. When you're already struggle with some kind of paranoia you can latch onto these ideas so quickly
I like to think it was something as simple as Sonic having different colored arms and they were both right.
was so relieved that you guys pointed out that memory is SO plastic and untrustworthy - i feel like this is dunning-kruger effect, they’re just so confident in their memory that the literal world has to be wrong, not themselves
yeah like maybe if there was a massive label difference that a whole bunch of people from a lot of places remember and there's no records of it existing ever, maybe then I'd consider it. But all of it so far is just shit I'd see and be like, ah, guess i misremembered. Like with oscar meyer, i don't remember the spelling of every brand i've ever seen of course i'd spell it however makes the most sense for my brain. Which is 50/50 gonna be wrong. Show me 50000 people including new yorkers who swear the statue of liberty was bright purple yesterday and I might get weirded out
crippling overconfidence is actually the most common trait conspiracy theorists tend to share
a small example of this that kind of sums up the mandela effect for me is when someone comments a quote from the video they just watched 2 seconds ago but they still somehow manage to direly misquote it, and then they get 15k likes and no one corrects them. people misremember stuff allll the time en masse and are very suggestible to new 'memories'
Friendly reminder that the "false memory" narrative is driven by CIA operatives. It is true we often have fuzzy or imperfect memories and rarely remember 100% detail on anything. It is not true that thousands of people can hallucinate the same specific memory with contextual details. I love the SadBoiz but they are spreading CIA propaganda here.
That's not what dunning-kruger is... Not to be an asshole, but it seems mean to basically use this as effectively a sly way of calling people arrogant idiots.
1:10:25 Jordan: "What does the Weinermobile do?"
Jarvis, Anastasia and me, in unison: "It drives around"
Would like to agree w jarvis that the wording of those Mandela effect posts can be very triggering/unsafe for experience derealization or psychosis. Hearing you guys logically talk it through really helped my brain.
OMG I'm so glad it's not just me that sees this and needed to hear it too. Thought I was more crazy than usual lmao
@@anonymixx8106 you're not alone. You're real and you're in the same timeline you always have been. ♥️
one example of worn out art changing our perspective of the past are actually the famous white greek statues, they were originally painted with really vibrant colors that completly changed the vibe, they actually felt alive
You just sent me down a rabbit hole. I don’t know how I never realized this!
Ditto w a lot of other things- like gothic cathedrals, which have a very different vibe these days
I joined a Mandela Effect facebook group thinking it would be fun and relatable examples of things we can hardly believe are mis-remembered. However it was people saying everything was a “timeline jump”, conspiracies about CERN altering reality, and lots of paranormal experiences that could be easily explained. From simple things like the spelling of Doritos (in “their timeline” it was definitely Dorritos), to something about Criss Angel being in cahoots with demons allowing him to actually levitate over the Luxor. I asked if they actually believe the Criss Angel thing and they said “you think he did that by himself?” As if the thing in question wasn’t whether he actually levitated but if it was through his own powers or those of demons.
CERN being the ones who fuck with the timeline is literally a major plotline in Steins Gate lmao. These people are not real
motherfuckers thought Steins;Gate was a documentary
the worst part of this is that I was sure it's Chris Angel when it's actually Criss Angel
I think with some of these Mandela effects it's just people's brains not having a direct visual reference in mind, and then filling in the gaps. Maybe Guy Fieri didn't wear visors, but guys in that time w that style would wear visors, so we just associate it.
Naw. Guy fieri not wearing a random accessory has destroyed my universe. 😅
If y’all haven’t looked into it, you might appreciate the idea of “spoon theory.” It’s used a lot in the chronically ill community, but a lot of otherwise disabled people use it as well. It’s basically the idea that people with these conditions have less “spoons” (basically units of energy, but it might be physical, mental, etc.) to use during the day than other people. It’s really helped me reconceptualize my idea of what my limits and maximums are for me without comparing myself as much to others.
this is so real I need a service dog cuz I'm perpetually out of spoons and I need a loan
so it's like a religion but science.
@@renaighno not really
@@renaighnot even close 😭
@@renaighno it’s just a way to represent people’s activity levels and stamina n shit
My theory is that people combine Jif and Skippy (both are brands of peanut butter) in their head to make Jiffy 1:08:13
that’s similar to my theory about pikachu’s black tail tip, people getting its black ear tips and brown at the base of its tail mixed up/combined in their memories
I think it's because when Mt generation was younger all our poor asses got as a treat was Jif peanut butter and Jiffy popcorn
My theory is that it's just because "jiffy" is a more common word than "jif" and there's a bunch of other brands called "Jiffy" (Jiffy Lube, Jiffy cornbread mix, etc)
Edit: To clarify, the Jif/Skippy confusion is probably a factor as well, I think it's most likely a combination of both
Having people other than sh*ne d*wson talking about Mandela effects makes me happy!
The censoring is very appreciated thank you for that
i had to read that like three times lmao i've always wondered why people censor random stuff sometimes? genuinely curious is it a comedic thing or is it just to confuse people
@@dormant5023 Shane is v problematic so that and also it’s kinda funny to censor it… and sorry it took you a while to figure out who I was referring to 😭😭😭
You have to censor the D, too
@@dormant5023I don’t know why people do it in UA-cam comments but on sites like Twitter and tumblr it can prevent people from finding your post by searching for the censored term, since some people like to search for posts to start arguments about. So you’ll see people censor the name of controversial figures or pieces of media to lessen the chance of hostile stans discovering the post
The dog talk hit hard. We just had a rescue fail where we had to return a dog to the shelter, which was one of the hardest things I've had to do. She is high energy, which we thought we could manage with visits to the dog park in combination with long walks, but then she got out of the dog park by wiggling under a gap in the fence. She really needs a family with a couple of kids to play with her and tucker her out.
If anyone's in Cape Breton, the dog is a 5 year old beagle named Lacey. Spread the word to get her a forever home!
Omg, I'm in NS! I'll spread the word, lol
Last year I had a rescue fail with a kitten who became highly aggressive to our other cat. When we took her back, she was trying to fight cats who she had previously loved and she was growling and biting and had to be separated from the other cats at her rescue, and we never found out what was wrong :( Rescue fails are so hard, I'm sorry you went through it :( but also thank you so much for doing what's right for the dog to have the best life it can have 💙
@@astroblast2325 TYSM! She is a truly great pup.
Yes Anastasia cam!! Please!
The pink goo from the Mcdonalds nugget has actually just a clip from teletubbies and the tubby custard machine
The tubby custard video was for sure fake but I believe there was actually a separate thing around the same time or a little bit before about a substance called "pink slime" that was actually used in fast food for a while, although most companies now have (claimed to have) stopped using it.
Which coincidentally is made from low quality meat and organs
@@1WEareBUFO1and what about the nuggets?
The Mandella Effect is so funny 2 me bc it really shows how overconfident people are with their memory, and they cant accept that they're just wrong lol. I love psychology, it's my special interest and memory as a topic is so interesting. Human memories are so soooo unreliable, they can easily be misconstrued or messed with. Like even witness testimonys, while important, are unfortunately very unreliable and cant be used as a huge basis of evidence in court and stuff.
I remember (lol) watching a clip about this psych experiment in my AP-psych class where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated (minor) car accident. When the groups were asked to describe it right after, 1 group was told to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was told to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never actually happened.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident".
Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable. These Mandella Effect stories are most of the time just ppl not remembering things correctly.
1:20:20 the mona lisa was painted to smile but very little so that it looks like she isn't smiling sometimes. it's the same with the background of the painting, the horizon lines look lined up but they're completely off if you actually look at them. it's why the mona lisa is considered a masterpiece, the painting is designed to trick your mind
At the end they should have thanked Drew Gooden and then cut to a wide shot to show that he's just been sitting in the guest chair the entire episode.
Edit: I realize Eddy in his headset would have been better. Making a reference 20 minutes late
Honestly, they should have thanked Drew, then panned out to show Danny
I thought the Fruit of the Loom thing turned out to be like a crypto (not currency) marketing thing where it literally did have a cornucopia, but they lied to get people to talk about them.
there def was a cornucopia, there are vids and articles about how they did this to get people into thinking about fruit of the loom lmao, it's so dumb
@@freya3217wouldn’t people have old clothes with it on it then
@@-bugbite there's videos and pics out there, but since the last time I remember doing research or whatever on this, there's been more stuff surface. Snopes is currently siding with fruit of the loom in that it was never there, and I'm fine admitting my dumb lizard brain was probably just wrong lmao
College athletes can make brand deals now. Sports radio can’t stop complaining about the identity of teams changing because athletes can make financial decisions instead of just being swayed entirely by the coach’s recruiting pitch.
quitting college athletics was the greatest decision I have ever made, my life is so much better
"Every conspiracy theory begins with a cope" is the whole premise of the Knowledge Fight podcast
Hell yeah knowledge fight! Criminally underappreciated podcast.
I’m a policy wonk!
I’m a big fan of the “I think he may have done something bad” and then said things popping up on screen cause that’s me with like every celeb
Please get an Anastasia cam!!
I understand that we can never be allowed to see Jacob tho, that would simply be too far
it fascinates me as a disabled person how often these two end up describing Spoon Theory without realizing they're describing a specific thing the disabled community has created entire terminology to define and talk about
Canon ideas.
can i ask what spoon theory is? /gen i’m curious
its a way of describing how disability and chronic illness makes energy to do anything a limited resource. its pretty easy to find entire diagrams describing it on google@@he.said.teenjiejer
@@he.said.teenjiejerit’s a metaphor, the theory that people, but more specifically talking about people with disabilities, have a finite amount of energy per day so they have to plan what they do everyday to make sure they have enough energy for the day,
@@he.said.teenjiejerto elaborate on what the person above me said, the metaphor uses “spoons” as the person having a set number of spoons everyday, which they can use to do tasks and events. The number of starting spoons can vary from person to person, and even day to day for the same person. Each activity such as socializing, doing laundry, showering, reading a book, talking on the phone, going to an appointment, etc, costs a certain amount of amount of spoons.
Some things are low cost, like reading or doing a hobby you enjoy. Some things have a medium cost, like self care or some chores. Other things cost a lot of spoons, like going out to a social event, going into work or school, going to the gym, etc.
Once you’ve spent all your spoons, you essentially can’t do anymore. So it’s key to carefully plan your day if you can, so you don’t run out of spoons.
It’s very helpful for understanding oneself, and even teaching others about how you function specifically.
The thing with the mandella effect is that it's I guess a "gateway" conspiracy, meant to get people to ask "If this is true... what else is?"
The Challenger conspiracy is the most disrespectful.
i love the disembodied voices chiming in
May I straighten out the visor thing?
There's a popular visor you can buy that has a hairstyle on it. It's common sports merch like foam fingers. It has been around for many, many years.
Then Guy Fieri comes to TV with his wild hair and his sunglasses on backward.
I can see how a ton of people would misremember this as Guy wearing a visor.
I have OCD and one of my obsessions for a while was whether or not I was remembering events as they actually happened. My brain literally developed compulsions to cope with that anxiety. So the idea of the Mandela Effect, which to me just seems like people just being maybe a little too certain in their ability to remember things, is WILD to me lol like that obsession is in recovery now, but even now if someone tells me I misremembered something I'm just like "Huh, I mean it's possible, brains are fucking weird!!" like I just cant imagine feeling the need to be like double down so hard that I conspirise about things that are even more esoteric and impossible to prove than whether or not there was ever a cornucopia in the fruit of the loom logo lmfao
my favorite podcast about other things and feelings also
I love Mandela effects. Personally I'm more willing to believe that universes collided to change points in time instead of me just misremembering something
why? its so much more likely that youre misremembering something lol
edit: "imagine that youre wrong about something.. but dont feel like it"
@@fatfurie now where's the fun in that? a little bit of harmless delusions makes the workday shorter baby! lmao
@@fatfuriebecause it's fun and hurts no one ☺️
??.. it's just basic psychology though. It's totally fine to be interested in "mandalla effects", but i dont understand why you cant just admit that the human brain is dumb sometimes and that our memories are very unreliable. Thats why witness testimonys in courts arent used as solid evidence, bc it is very easy for ppl to miss remember things.
Like there was this psych experiment where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated, minor car crash. When they were asked to describe it right after, one group was asked to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was asked to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never happend.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident".
Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable, it's just psychology, not anything else
??.. it's just basic psychology though. It's totally fine to be interested in "mandalla effects", but i dont understand why you cant just admit that the human brain is dumb sometimes and that our memories are very unreliable. Thats why witness testimonys in courts arent used as solid evidence, bc it is very easy for ppl to miss remember things.
Like there was this psych experiment where 2 groups of people were shown the same simulated, minor car crash. When they were asked to describe it right after, one group was asked to "describe the car *accident*" and the other group was asked to "describe the car *crash*". The 2nd group described how dented up the cars were and how the windows were shatteted, even though that never happend.. mainly bc "crash" sounds more violent than "accident".
Human memory is amazing but also very unreliable, it's just psychology, not anything else
I never remember my dreams so I’ve never understood what a “stress dream” was but I lost my keys a week ago and since then I’ve had four stress dreams about looking for them. I find them everytime but I wake up immediately afterwards.
I had a stress dream about getting distracted in nature and almost missing my bus back in town. Then the Yakuza showed up.
I think i missed the bus.
I've always found the Mandela effect interesting. I think it's actually a really good term. Not some sort of supernatural phenomenon or global conspiracy but a legitimate social phenomenon. These people made fairly common mistakes about subjects they aren't very interested in, such as history or spelling, because people's memories aren't great. But our memories, even wrong ones, can feel completely real. So rather than admit their memories are fallible they find other people who's memories failed them in similar ways. All of this because people don't like to admit that our memories aren't events, they're our thoughts of events and can be wrong.
yeah, it works as a term/concept and can be fun to talk about, but only if it’s used to describe this social phenomenon with memory. once people start talking about it as though it’s something more than that and describing it as though it’s spooky and supernatural i have to exit the conversation lol
Yeah, shared false memories are interesting, and they happen for a reason. Just not because of alternate universes.
What gets me most about the Mandella Effect being explained by alternate worldlines colliding is how easily it falls apart by asking "okay so when did these realities collide?" The answer is never sufficient due to the large number of supposed individual differences and how many different age categories have experienced this.
Nelson Mandela. 😂 then everything that came out after was a plurality. I guess
The thing with the Mona Lisa is that it was painted at a time when it was very unusual to represent someone as smiling on their portrait. Also it's just faint enough coupled with her knowing gaze to give this mysterious vibe that has had scholars going feral over.
I want a Jacob cam that is just a rendering of a behemoth with a tentacled screen that just drones ominously every time you refer to him, then cut the usual pov of the main cams and his cheery voice answering.
(Also the Anastasia cam, love y'all)
Give Jacob a vtuber
sad boyz! having a bad day and needed some jarvis jordan content
The fact that I, without hesitation, stopped working to say "Yes!" out loud to the Anastasia Cam proposal before Jarvis even finished his sentence. More Anastasia!!
judge jo brown almost broke me cause i knew in my soul who was going to pop up, who you must have had confused, then a whole nother person popped up, my sister was on the dr joy browne show and she destroyed every taping of it anyone in the family had, haven't been able to get a hold of it since, turns out they both exist in the same universe
I dunno, I’m pretty sure these two were named “Jarvis” and “Johnson” in MY universe.
They’re pulling the wool over our eyes!!!!
John and Jarvson
today was shit but saw this in my car at a red light and yelled because the boys delivered a new episode
This is the take on the Mandela Effect that I need to show people in the future that haven't heard of it. just outright, sometimes you're wrong and I can also imagine that.
Thanks.
Fun fact! there actually IS a Pikachu with black on the end of its tail. its called "cosplay Pikachu" it has black on its tail to distinguish the heart on the end! You could only get them in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Since they were so special you also couldn't transfer them. because of this they are very rare and can only be obtained in those games :)
It's weird that Jordan's grandfather had a monkey while serving in the military, seeing as my grandfather also had a monkey while serving in the military. He was a U.S. Marine, and his monkey's name was Mumbles on account of the noises the little guy made. He passed away in 2022 at 83 but he would've loved to hear that someone else had the same experience as him in regards to his little friend. ❤️ 1:27:15
The real Mandela Effect is thinking you’re NOT actually cousins with Jordan.
The monkey passed away at 83?
Jarvis’s frustration with the Mandela Effect dude complaining about stolen content is exactly the same as mine with Swiftie fan accounts. Like girl, you’re not the first person to think “What if I made a compilation of the best Eras Tour moment!?!”
There’s also them complaining about their videos getting taken down for “no reason”. You’d think Swifties would understand what copyright ownership is!
Taylor would never do that to them. They know her personally through stalking.
The reason it seems like everyone has an 'original' so and so is that painters would paint the same thing 100 or more times in a row until they feel they get it just right.
It stands to reason that there are several original Monalisa, and that there could be some variation amongst them. People might be remembering one of these other editions, they're all originals, they're all "real" Monalisa.
if you guys are curious about the looney *tunes* thing, its because it was a play on disney's "silly symphonies"
on its own, its easy to mistake tunes for toons, though it helps when its paired with the "merrie melodies" title card
I think I accidentally cast a spell or something I was just telling myself how I wish I had more sad boyz to watch and then I get this notification
I don’t understand people who get a dog purely for a pet and they don’t let it in the bed, on the couch, in the house sometimes.
Why have a dog?
i love the mandela effect & i find it fascinating but the concept of inventing an entire new universe for every time you’re wrong about something is admittedly very funny
For some reason, hearing Jordan go "Who's up there then?" and glancing at the camera killed me. I canNOT stop laughing like a little idiot.
Jordan making a joke about his NutMobile only to have it turn into them discovering the existence of a real NutMobile is very, very funny to me
The way he says "it's my car" a secind time, like no one is paying attention to him.
My only knowledge as it pertains to Dr. Dre is that the first time I had ever heard of him was a Dr. Pepper commercial in which Dre says, "Trust me, I'm a doctor" & I had no idea who he was, so I assumed this was just some famous retired surgeon.
Anastasia cam should be a thermal camera from the top of a shelf.
I just finished my first BG3 playthrough this week (270 hours lolol). I told myself I wasn't going to start another one, because there's other games I want to play, and I've been neglecting my other hobbies, but every time you guys start talking about it, I'm like.... I should play........
7:14 I stopped devoting my entire life to hockey once I realized that even if I made it “big” (as big as was available for women in the 00’s), I didn’t want to keep up that lifestyle. You get used to it, sure, but you miss out on so much more of life. I had hockey 6 days a week and was working out every day, and I missed out on so many fun things. I took the year off I’m grade 12 and just played rec roller hockey and was so amazed with how much time I had for friends and experiencing other parts of life. I can’t imagine doing that all through post secondary as well.
I think the fruit of the loom one is explainable. I sort of think that there was a time where the brand logo wasn’t as standardized and some production areas were using a test image that never was supposed to be official. Or I think there were bootleg fruit of the loom shirts around, so technically fruit of the loom is right but the bootlegs had the cornucopia.
No, it had the cornucopia for a while. There is documentation of it. They just decided to gaslight the public about it for publicity.
Fits looking monochrome today🔥🔥
At first, I thought the car that the dog was tied to was MOVING.
My mum used to walk our childhood dog by tying the leash to the car, putting it in neutral, and letting him walk the car... his name was Boss, and he was huge (and a little dopey - he would scale 6 foot high fences, but wouldn't cross the waist-high metal gate).
Jordan's comment saying Jewish bears, I swear that is what my mom told me as a kid! I def have the Mandela effect with it lol
in the family the author grew up in, one parent was Christian and one was jewish! they were based on that
Same thing with Oscar Mayer, no? The meat isnt inherently Kosher
In fact the way they give tiny weiners to children is not kosher.
Never played any game like Baldurs Gate but how much you guys talk about it has me so convinced I need to start asap
Haven't finished yet but the Mandela effect is crazy to me because i have ADHD so the worst memory ever and you could say any of my memories are wrong and id believe you. I am also probably very easy to gasslight.
Have you seen the movie memento?
If you havnt, watch it, don't look up anything about it.
I haven't watched it but have seen that one b99 episode. But I'll watch it and get back to you 😊
Can I get a compilation of Jordan's neck breaking from laughter but still having the subconscious courtesy to drop the mic the perfect distance.
1:19:35
If Anastasia’s down to be on camera I’d love to see her, it’s great when she’s part of the conversations
1:21:53 highly recommend Baumgartner Restoration’s channel for art conservation content
Slime was so right. Every time I go to watch this podcast, I can't help but hyperfocus on just how funny Jordan is.
yes my favorite radio show
Best crocheting podcast
Jolly way to pick me up on a bit of a low day
Vtuber Jacob and Anastacia Box are great ideas.
Fun fact: people have found the original trademarks for Fruit of the Loom’s logo and it DID have a cornucopia in it
Shout out to a UA-cam Channel called Internet Comment Etiquette. He covers various topics. One such topic was on the Mandela Effect. But he's covered it several times. And each time he talks about it he deletes his older version to gaslight people into thinking it's the first time he's talked about it, creating an artificial Mandela Effect.
hey i’ll be honest. it’s really good to get into a really healthy routine. my father is 58 & he wakes up at 5 am every morning to go on a morning run. he an my step mother still participate in marathons. he wouldn’t be able to do this if he didn’t start years ago
The Berenstain Bears vs Berenstein is actually real and not Mandela effect because there are many instances of misprints occurring. I wish I still had my books, but remembering them, pretty sure mine said Berenstain even though I thought it was berenstein
I can def see there being an issue w misprints, but It's the other way around. The "real" version is Berenstain, not Stein, so I'd imagine you *would* have books that say Barenstain, lol.
i think it’s also the case that the names frankenstein and einstein are very famous.
@@astroblast2325 that's what I said lol
In my memory, mine said Berenstain even though I feel like it should say Berenstein
Jordan’s “catch you” joke was the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while 😂
No offense to the actual hosts, they seem like great fellas. But the invisible lady is the clear star of this talkshow.
Some of these people are definitely thinking about other things and just confusing them in their minds, like the Jif vs Jiffy peanut butter? People are probably thinking about Jiffy Pop the little popcorn on the handle you would cook over the stove/campfire and pop. I can relate to Jarvis getting frustrated because these also have me at the end of my rope when they come up in conversations 😅
Plus as a kid I’m sure I called it “Jiffy” peanut butter because as a toddler you say “Jiffy!” because it’s objectively more fun to say and toddlers do not care for Corporate Jif
@@placeholderdoecorporate Big Nut
What kills me most about Mandela effects is 80% of them are about spelling/ image misconception but it's named after believing a man died way sooner than he did
The Judge's Hammer (TM). Judge, Judy and Executioner.
38mins ago, perfectly timed to listen while making and drinking my morning coffee (its 11.59pm)
54:37 Is it just me or is the first Judge Judy photo obviously from a different older season than the second one? The first one is probably from those 90s episodes where she did have a gavel.
40:31 the fruit of the loom logo actually did have a cornucopia!! the company just lied lmfao. countless people have found their old clothes with the logo having it plus people going into old public records and finding the original logo, they just decided to change it and pretend it never happened and use the "Mandela effect" as a cover for some reason, but the cornucopia on the logo was VERY real‼️‼️
Why would a company do that? it makes absolutely no sense.
@@kalexander1981maybe to get people to talk about them? Free advertising basically
As someone from Aotearoa (NZ) I just want to say that the accents had me cackling
I refuse to believe that damn cornucopia wasn't there😤
people have found their old fruit of the loom clothes that DO have the cornucopia. it's crazy that the company is denying it for seemingly no reason.
@@oliviadoriannmaybe cause it gets people talking about their company and they get free publicity out of it? I can't really think of any other reason why they'd lie about a trivial thing like this
IT'S LITERALLY JUST A PUBLICITY STUNT
It did. It's a viral marketing campaign where they're just lying about it so people make videos about them.
@@oliviadoriann I've heard this claim before, but I can't find any verified pictures online. What is your source on this?
I got the BIGGEST deja vu from the highlights magazine comments. That part of the conversation. Weird.
They spell it for you in the song. My bolonga has a first name…
Omg I'm halfway through my first playthrough of bg3 on the steam deck. Really enjoying it so far, so ready to listen to the baldurs gate sad boyz nights ep soon
guy never wore those hats.. theres a style hat that mimics his hair thats a visor
edit:that were show in the video lol
Professional sports aspirations as an MLM was an eye-opening analogy for Jordan just shooting from the hip.
PLEASE give us the anastasia cam! i will continue to beg for this every time she speaks for even one second on an episode
learning jarvis is an "eva-head" is the highlight of my day
babe wake up sad boyz posted ‼️
The Mandela effect thing is baffling to me. It is just logos and spellings that changed very slightly and also the history of an entire country.
To me thinking that Nelson Mandela died in prison is so strange because he didn't just go to prison and then die (either in prison or in 2013), he was also the first democratically elected president of South Africa, he was a struggle hero and was an instrumental figure in the peaceful transition from Apartheid to democracy. In their "universe" who was the first president of the new South Africa? Or did Apartheid never end? Like if you dont have answers to those questions then it seems a lot more likely that you just weren't paying attention to South African news in the 90s than some sort of universe collision or whatever.
If you want a dog but don't want to take care of it, just get 9 so they can all take care of each other
All seriousness, i have one. So back in 2019 i got in a long argument with a roommate about the Bill & Ted movies and i swore up and down i had seen number 3...i described scenes from it, i remembered the plot. I knew i was right and refused to back down. I saw it not long after number 2. I loved those movies. I had to eat crow a year later when number 3 came out. 😵💫🤯
What was the plot you remembered? 😅
@@scoobydont the same one it turned out to be. They needed a song from them and then created it together. The only difference was absolutely terrible aging up of Bill & Ted...it was really janky.
What I am legitimately wondering is if I went to a test screening. And it got such bad feedback they shelved it until CGI improved. Cuz I know I saw it. But I honestly do not believe in merged universes because there would be way more chaos than just some messed up consumer goods. But I have no clue how to verify that there was a test screening back in the 90s.
Another reason I think it might have been a test screening possibly...is that I had been to other test screenings. I just have no way to verify my claims.
@@SoManyRandomRamblings That's so interesting! Sounds like a plausible theory 🤔
@@scoobydont I like your name.
@@SoManyRandomRamblings Thank you! I like yours too 😊
The thumbnail just Jordan grimacing at the camera rn and it *did* make me pick the video so ig it worked
Jarvis and Jorden dressed in their backstage crew-core outfits
Showed my friend the pod! She asked if the one on the right is gay
No, just British
Gay sitting posture often confused with the adhd weird way of sitting 😂
…did you guys change the thumbnail from Jarvis to Jordan as a funny Mandela effect joke or is my memory just that bad