lol I agree, it has a misleading name. Though people who are hyper mobile often CAN move and stretch beyond what is considered the normal human range of motion.
It’s more so that the specific ligament can flex more or stretch more than is the intended range of movement. So, one person could have one ligament that’s hypermobile and not even notice. Or they could have many ligaments hypermobile and overall their whole body would also flex and stretch more. But the word still applies to them both.
The actual term for the diagnosis is Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder. If you meet certain criteria, the diagnosis is Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. They are connective tissue disorders, and it's the lack of or defective connective tissue that creates hypermobility. These diseases also severely impact organ and brain function.
Hi 👋 I have hyper-mobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and the "american lean" combined with very low activity levels in my teenage years is what caused my inital flair up of EDS. Didnt have any physical pain / joint issues until age 19, and standing like this + my EDS has caused me to have to go through through YEARS of physical therapy to restabalize my knees, hips, core, shoulders and cervical spine. Posture is important yall, and thats not to say that any one person is at fault for having poor posture, but rather that if you have poor posture & bodily discomfort it can be indicative of an underlying cause. Be it hyper-mobility, inactivity, low muscle mass, unsupported feet, EDS, muscular dystrophy, out of place joints, overly repetetive work, long hours sitting, some combination of the above, etc, etc. It may not be something super serious, but if you have poor posture & bodily pain its worth talking to your doctor (god forbid you have insurance that covers it 🙏) Thank you for posting this!! Hyper-mobility is drastically under-diagnosed and the more awareness being spread, the better!
Yes for sure! We tend to zone out and “push through” discomfort when these signals are really important messages from our body. The self awareness of it is a HUGE help though.
It'd be funny if it's something like the proportions on institutional furniture used in schools or something of that sort which is a contributing factor. (Compare the U.S. models to what is used overseas.) If it just doesn't contribute to good posture in a way that is comfortable, people end up compensating in various manners and it just sticks with them.
I feel called out... the PT guy looked at me the 1st day and asked "how are you even doing that with your neck?" Then he spent a good few minutes trying to imitate my head and neck position
He could have been trying to figure out all the muscles and joints that were involved. OP isn’t clear that it was done to mock them or if it was just how the PT was processing and understanding what he needed to work with them on. If he was mocking, then yes, very rude and unprofessional!
@Nervous_System_Coach @Ann963 I think he literally could not figure out how I had my neck the way I did and not be in hideous pain. I came in for a shoulder, and he saw my neck shit and was just the f××× is that business. Every time we learned a new exercise, he'd have to tell me not to overdo it because some of my ligaments were too stretchy or something. So it was do this. OH, SHT NOT THAT FAR! But the video explains a lot of my personal quirks
Had OT for poor handwriting in elementary school, poor joint stability overall was documented. Lots of American lean, preference for leaning on nearby objects when available, or for a hand-supported position when sitting. My brother's wedding was agony, because we weren't supposed to be shifting/swaying, and I have trouble with getting very stiff when standing stock still. Eventually diagnosed with autism, which correlates with hypermobility issues.
Now that I think about it, white Americans probably have a smaller gene pool than Europeans. Very few Europeans came to America and a lot of the ones that did didn't make it very long and so we were probably working from a pretty limited amount of people to begin with which probably caused the passing on of an abnormally large amount of recessive genes. I'm not an expert, I'm just a random person, this is just a theory. I would love to know the answer!
Solid question! I don’t think that *all* people who do the lean are hyper mobile. It’s more of a question of how HMSD can be exacerbated and completely missed or untreated because of the prevalence of this sort of posture.
There's some correlation between hypermobility and autism, and autists tend to do better socially with each other than with the broader society. So it's not implausible that groups that chose to emigrate from Europe had higher rates of autism and conditions comorbid to autism.
All my life, I’ve been able to stretch with my palms flat on the floor. I remember the coach in gym class made a big deal out of it and even asked me to do it on stairs. I could still lay my palms flat on the floor, standing on the bottom step. The coach then wanted me to do it for multiple classes, with students gathered around, other coaches & teachers. I didn’t receive much explanation about it, nor very nice social experiences after that. However, it does make for a good stretch, as I then slowly raise back up & can feel my spine aligning one by one. I finish it with a nice stretch, my arms reaching towards the sky. Whenever, I’ve felt something strange with spine, or not quite right, I do that stretch and things line back up.
@@Nervous_System_Coach ~ Yes, I could sense your Empathic efforts, yet I’ve never heard such an expression in this context, so I’m wondering where & how it began? Where in our world are you? Is it commonly spoken in your culture, or is this just another new generational slang trend? I’m curious, as things like this fascinate me.
Leaning on one side... isn't that what contrapposto is? That's been around for centuries, and in Europe. I'm European and it sounds like I have these problems. I also like to support myself on anything I can find cause I have NO strength. Standing straight is extremely exhausting for me. It's probably related to having little physical activity, not just "leaning".
Totally! It’s beautiful in art, and biomechanically inefficient IRL lol I used to do this a LOT more. The ironic part is that it’s proven to require MUCH more energy to stay in positions that are not in alignment (“good” posture) than it is to stand with our joints stacked on top of one another. It sucks in the short term, but your fatigue and strength will return much faster if you decide to tackle the lean! 💪🏼🫶🏼
@@6lancmange I can post more videos on this, but it starts with noticing your body posture and making small adjustments towards alignment. That can be anything from sitting up taller, sleeping on your back, or even laying flat on the floor
I have this too, I'm pretty fit these days and still do it just as much so i think it's more to do with ligaments and neurological aspects than muscular strength. It's worse when I'm mentally tired and it got a lot worse when i had bad neurological effects as part of long covid
Haha I took ballet growing up, & our teacher HATED it when we stood like that. I think of him every time I do it now 😂 (which isn’t as much, thanks to him) And hey, ballet posture also had us rotating & holding our hips the opposite way as in that diagram, so maybe that helped me dodge some long-term effects there
Hm, not only Americans commonly shift their weight from one leg to another. I saw it among all nations. Regarding the hypermobility: thank you for explanations! Some puzzle pieces went into their places in my journey of learning about my hypermobility thanks to you.
YES I have ehler danlos in the family, this kind of hyper mobility is devastating and should be taught to drs and nurses, especially after car accidents!!!!
So I can do the palms to the floor thing but I think it's because I have very long arms and very short legs? Definitely do the lean though, I have 0 zero core strength
It can be tricky to diagnose, and I’m definitely not the one to offer that to you 😂 but just for reference, I don’t really pass based on the bechtel scale, but notice a LOT of instability in my cervical spine and around my SI joint & hips. It’s an instance of narrow diagnostic criteria and using your own discernment 🤪
I love that you brought this up! I talk about barefoot shoes all the time. They’re a HUGE help. People don’t realize that modern shoes are not designed for our bodies, but for fashion.
@@Nervous_System_Coach Yes! but it’s deeper than fashion, tis psychological. The feet are a structural repeat of the spine, ankles are connected to the upper neck. Your hips and base of the neck are connected and mimic each other! Is it any wonder women are especially out of whack in the issues of wombs? Cuz our center of gravity has been tilted to a ‘masculine’ angle, ie forward. This puts a woman’s psyche in a stress response= survivalist mindset. Not blaming women, but the program is imposed on us and then We replicate it to our detriment. Then epigenetics means the mindset stays and the heels aren’t as necessary ♥️ I trained in dance so i think a lot about the physicality of movement 🥳♥️🥳🙏🏿
@@Ananka76 physiological for sure! The anatomy of it all definitely tells us that being barefooted is best (for many reasons!). It’s interesting to consider the psychology and women & gender studies of it all.
The american lean that the CIA trains out of you isn't a stance but literally the habit americans have of leaning on things. Like walls chairs tables bars rails etc. That's literally it. Source: went through the training Also if you want to pass for non western European, non american, and non canadian you have to learn to squat correctly. Most culturea each have a different squat
🤭 I realized that- and I thought it was reminiscent about how we tend to collapse in on ourselves as a result. Instead of standing up with good posture, we lean on things. If there are no things to lean on, we lean on ourselves.
I disagree. We have a dominant side. Dominant hand. Dominant foot. It means we overuse that side. This causes a strength imbalance. To compensate, we start standing in unbalanced positions. Add our sedentary lifestyles with non ergonomic furniture and poor footwear that causes weak core postures, we walk with hunched shoulders. I know this because i suffer from neck pains from poor posture. It’s taking me a long time to rehabilitate. First I had to stretch my shortened pectorals (which took many months), but now I’m building up my core muscles. It’s taking a really long time to fix things. My posture is getting better but my core is still very weak.
hEDS (hypermobility Ehlers Danlos) is like the new autism because it is growing at about the same rate as autism did in the early 2000s. I have the “American lean”
I don't think it's because it's more prevalent than it ever was it's just that doctors still don't believe that EDS is really a thing and refuse to dx it. I pass every test for hypermobility and have the history of dislocation etc as well. So at 62 I am in a lot of pain but they keep denying the diagnosis. I'm trying to do what I can to strengthen and work on posture etc. It kind of sucks to have a so called "zebra" disease that you get to suffer from until someone believes you.
@@puggirl415 witnessing you in this ❤️🩹 I agree- this is absolutely the case in the medical field. There isn’t a lot of money going towards research or treatment of this condition yet.
So correct me if I'm wrong, just a hypothesis, but I think it's mostly cultural. Kids grow up imitating their parents way of standing. So where does the flex come from? I'm not sure how accurate it is with bone/tendon, but when you stretch a muscle consistently every day that muscle becomes more flexible with a wider range of motion. Could we (North Americans, I've noticed many Canadians do it too) be stretching our skeletal tissue?
Interesting thought! Nope, it’s definitely not a stretching of skeletal tissue. It’s a lack of stability at a joint due to weakened connective tissue. It’s not so much bc the muscle alone is more stretchy, it’s that the joint tissue has more laxity. Instability due to poor posture can also be painful and uncomfortable, but it’s not the same as being hyper mobile 🙂 It’s absolutely both- learned behaviors plus connective tissue laxity contribute to the issue.
@Nervous_System_Coach Like I said it was just a hypothesis. I am one of those people who can touch their thumb to their forearm and their palms to the floor so obviously my frame of reference will be skewed because you said right at the beginning you weren't talking about people like me. Anyways I wasn't debating the lack of stability or strength. It's not good for the skeleton. I was simply throwing darts at the wall how we got to this point.
You can stretch connective tissue if you're consistent, that's how gymnasts do it - so it's definitely possible that's happening. I mean, our ligaments can get shortened by sitting a lot of wearing high heels all the time, so it stands to reason they will stretch too
@vacafuega that's what I thought, at least that's what I thought I understood from a bunch of yoga and Tai chi books. But then there are also pseudo-limits to how flexible a person can be/ should be too as I understand it. Like she's not wrong about the posture creating weakness and stress on integral structures. And then there's sorta the elephant in the room that neurodivergent people are more likely to be hypermobile.
That’s an interesting take! I don’t agree that poor posture is required for most jobs- with the exception of plumbers or other contortionists lol as far as desk jobs and factory jobs go there is a lot of room for improvement ❤️🩹
@@Nervous_System_Coach factory jobs, I was referring to mostly, where people are bending forward about 8 hours a day, but yeah, if the machines or the packing lines were raised, it would be better
Europeans definitely do this too (I did it most of my life growing up in France with British parents) but i feel like it's more extreme in NA, my Canadian husband does it and it's quite a bit more pronounced than me... I wonder why the difference?
My first thought is core strength. Europe has much more developed public transportation and cities tend to be more walkable- so the activity levels of folks are much higher than NA where cars dominate. Even without doing crunches or planks etc to build the core, Europeans are far and away more practiced at using their core stability to stay upright than we are in the states. I bet there are other contributing factors too, like culture, or even prevalence of HMSD
There are videos in youtube showing core strengthening exercises. Also stretching the hipflexors and miofascial release(with foam rollers and/or massage) is important.
Absolutely! Love this question. I can post more about it, but there are loads of free resources on YT. It boils down to being aware of your body position and keeping those ribs stacked over the hips.
Which is exceptionally challenging to those of us who weren't diagnosed until well into adulthood and who also have poor proprioception. It's challenging to have someone look at you and say, "Just pay attention and fix it when you notice you're not standing up straight," when you can't tell where your body is without visually seeing it. @@Nervous_System_Coach
I haven’t seen one but I’d love to know! It’s easy for me to see though, given the lifestyle differences between the countries. We tend to be WAY more sedentary in the US, and there’s a lot more walking, public transport and general activity in European countries. Little things make a big difference over time.
Why would Americans have hypermobility in their pelvis or cervical spine but not Europeans? I have doubts that this is the cause or a sufficient explanation
Great question, thanks for asking. Im not suggesting that Europeans don’t have this instability as well. I just don’t know to what degree this differs between continents. Mostly I think it has to do with core stability and activity levels between cultures- and muscle tone is a huge help to stabilize joints. HMSD is a stability issue within the joints, so I wonder how much of the posture comes from untreated HMSD.
American food is fortified with artificial B-vitamins. Which can also cause mental health problems, anemia, and cancer, especially when combined with other crap Americans are consuming that aren't a thing in Europe -- crazy food dyes, glyphosate, lysol. See: "Folate-dependent hypermobility syndrome: A proposed mechanism and diagnosis"
@@Nervous_System_Coach Thankyou so much🙏🙂...That would be great...this is the first video which addresses the issue...btw have been having neck pain with a lot of tightness in the lower hip on the right side...it's all connected
@@nilag6774 it’s definitely all connected! That sounds tough- I’ve experienced all of that too. Witnessing you! I’ll be sure to post more on this, it seems to be interesting to more than just me! Lol
Great question! I’m not sure that we have a good answer for the root cause of it yet. We do know that it’s a combination of laxity in the connective tissue and the nervous system not activating our stabilizer muscles. As far as solutions go- consider that it’s a lack of stability at the joint, so our solution would be to add stability to the joint (usually through building muscle mass around it). Regular exercise is very helpful
It seems irresponsible to frame hypermobility as "not the ideal" There's a huge range across bodies. And we all have different strengths and weaknesses to be aware of and adapt to.
Im not sure what is irresponsible about that. Genuinely confused. As someone with hyper-mobile elhers danlos syndrome, for me my hyper-mobility has aided in de-stabilizing all of my joints. Hyper-mobility isn't as much of a problem when accompanied by muscle mass, but even then, I am baffled and struggle to come up with an instance when it is ideal to be hyper-mobile
When I say “not ideal” I don’t say it in a shaming way- as I also experience this myself. Nobody is born wanting to be achey and sore lol. More so from a biomechanics/ kinesiology perspective- like ideal would be a body that has access to its full range of motion without pain.
What's with backward names like "hyper-mobility" which sounds like some athletic hyperactive person or something, when it's actually what this video describes of the opposite of an athletic hyperactive person..
"Hyper-" is a prefix meaning "over," so hypermobility means "over movement." Very appropriate as the condition sees the person with overly mobile or flexible joints and ligaments. Particularly in the US, hyper has become a cultural shorthand for "hyperactive" (over active), a diagnosis dished out in the '90s.
The fact that hyper mobility does NOT mean a person can flex move or stretch more is a word crime 😤
lol I agree, it has a misleading name. Though people who are hyper mobile often CAN move and stretch beyond what is considered the normal human range of motion.
As someone who’s dealt with some fraction of medical terminology, this is as close to straightforward a term as is allowed.
It’s more so that the specific ligament can flex more or stretch more than is the intended range of movement. So, one person could have one ligament that’s hypermobile and not even notice. Or they could have many ligaments hypermobile and overall their whole body would also flex and stretch more. But the word still applies to them both.
The actual term for the diagnosis is Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder. If you meet certain criteria, the diagnosis is Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. They are connective tissue disorders, and it's the lack of or defective connective tissue that creates hypermobility. These diseases also severely impact organ and brain function.
Hi 👋 I have hyper-mobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome and the "american lean" combined with very low activity levels in my teenage years is what caused my inital flair up of EDS. Didnt have any physical pain / joint issues until age 19, and standing like this + my EDS has caused me to have to go through through YEARS of physical therapy to restabalize my knees, hips, core, shoulders and cervical spine.
Posture is important yall, and thats not to say that any one person is at fault for having poor posture, but rather that if you have poor posture & bodily discomfort it can be indicative of an underlying cause. Be it hyper-mobility, inactivity, low muscle mass, unsupported feet, EDS, muscular dystrophy, out of place joints, overly repetetive work, long hours sitting, some combination of the above, etc, etc. It may not be something super serious, but if you have poor posture & bodily pain its worth talking to your doctor (god forbid you have insurance that covers it 🙏) Thank you for posting this!! Hyper-mobility is drastically under-diagnosed and the more awareness being spread, the better!
Yes for sure! We tend to zone out and “push through” discomfort when these signals are really important messages from our body. The self awareness of it is a HUGE help though.
Also- big empathy to you! Hypermobile EDS is no joke ❤️🩹
It'd be funny if it's something like the proportions on institutional furniture used in schools or something of that sort which is a contributing factor. (Compare the U.S. models to what is used overseas.) If it just doesn't contribute to good posture in a way that is comfortable, people end up compensating in various manners and it just sticks with them.
Ooo that’s an interesting thought! That wouldn’t surprise me a bit. It’s those little daily factors that tend to compound over time and create issues.
I think it’s Hollywood. Think James Dean. We’ve been seeing that in movies for young adults for decades.
Fascinating. I had no idea. I am one of the very limber. Hands flat on floor, no knees bent still, at over 65 years old.
My mom can do that, but can’t get out of a chair easily.
I feel called out... the PT guy looked at me the 1st day and asked "how are you even doing that with your neck?" Then he spent a good few minutes trying to imitate my head and neck position
Oof- that sounds rude AF. Empathy to you
He could have been trying to figure out all the muscles and joints that were involved. OP isn’t clear that it was done to mock them or if it was just how the PT was processing and understanding what he needed to work with them on.
If he was mocking, then yes, very rude and unprofessional!
@Nervous_System_Coach @Ann963 I think he literally could not figure out how I had my neck the way I did and not be in hideous pain. I came in for a shoulder, and he saw my neck shit and was just the f××× is that business.
Every time we learned a new exercise, he'd have to tell me not to overdo it because some of my ligaments were too stretchy or something. So it was do this. OH, SHT NOT THAT FAR! But the video explains a lot of my personal quirks
@@Ann963 excellent point!
@@ikari66662 thanks for clarifying- that story sounds oh too familiar unfortunately.
Had OT for poor handwriting in elementary school, poor joint stability overall was documented. Lots of American lean, preference for leaning on nearby objects when available, or for a hand-supported position when sitting. My brother's wedding was agony, because we weren't supposed to be shifting/swaying, and I have trouble with getting very stiff when standing stock still. Eventually diagnosed with autism, which correlates with hypermobility issues.
Witnessing you in that! Our bodies are built to MOVE and IMO it’s the more unnatural thing to be perfectly still.
Okay, but is there any reason Europeans would have less hypermobility than Americans?
Now that I think about it, white Americans probably have a smaller gene pool than Europeans. Very few Europeans came to America and a lot of the ones that did didn't make it very long and so we were probably working from a pretty limited amount of people to begin with which probably caused the passing on of an abnormally large amount of recessive genes. I'm not an expert, I'm just a random person, this is just a theory. I would love to know the answer!
Solid question! I don’t think that *all* people who do the lean are hyper mobile. It’s more of a question of how HMSD can be exacerbated and completely missed or untreated because of the prevalence of this sort of posture.
I suspect that a lot of it is cultural, but I would *love* to see stats about the prevalence of HMSD and EDS in the US vs. Europe
There's some correlation between hypermobility and autism, and autists tend to do better socially with each other than with the broader society. So it's not implausible that groups that chose to emigrate from Europe had higher rates of autism and conditions comorbid to autism.
@@JonBrase what an interesting take! I would LOVE to see studies on this. The implications would be huge.
This pose is called contrapossto and can be seen in classical european art dating all the way back to ancient greece.
All my life, I’ve been able to stretch with my palms flat on the floor. I remember the coach in gym class made a big deal out of it and even asked me to do it on stairs. I could still lay my palms flat on the floor, standing on the bottom step.
The coach then wanted me to do it for multiple classes, with students gathered around, other coaches & teachers. I didn’t receive much explanation about it, nor very nice social experiences after that.
However, it does make for a good stretch, as I then slowly raise back up & can feel my spine aligning one by one. I finish it with a nice stretch, my arms reaching towards the sky. Whenever, I’ve felt something strange with spine, or not quite right, I do that stretch and things line back up.
Witnessing you in that!
@@Nervous_System_Coach ~ Could you elaborate? I’m not familiar with the expression, “witnessing you in that,” in such context.
@@zaadiavaline9956 sure! It’s just a figure of speech to express empathy
@@Nervous_System_Coach ~ Yes, I could sense your Empathic efforts, yet I’ve never heard such an expression in this context, so I’m wondering where & how it began?
Where in our world are you? Is it commonly spoken in your culture, or is this just another new generational slang trend? I’m curious, as things like this fascinate me.
That's crazy😅
I needed to know this.
Thank you!
Happy to help!
Leaning on one side... isn't that what contrapposto is? That's been around for centuries, and in Europe.
I'm European and it sounds like I have these problems. I also like to support myself on anything I can find cause I have NO strength. Standing straight is extremely exhausting for me. It's probably related to having little physical activity, not just "leaning".
Totally! It’s beautiful in art, and biomechanically inefficient IRL lol I used to do this a LOT more. The ironic part is that it’s proven to require MUCH more energy to stay in positions that are not in alignment (“good” posture) than it is to stand with our joints stacked on top of one another.
It sucks in the short term, but your fatigue and strength will return much faster if you decide to tackle the lean! 💪🏼🫶🏼
@@Nervous_System_Coach well the only question is how to do it. I'm definitely not gonna try to just stand for prolonged periods of time, lol
@@6lancmange I can post more videos on this, but it starts with noticing your body posture and making small adjustments towards alignment. That can be anything from sitting up taller, sleeping on your back, or even laying flat on the floor
I have this too, I'm pretty fit these days and still do it just as much so i think it's more to do with ligaments and neurological aspects than muscular strength. It's worse when I'm mentally tired and it got a lot worse when i had bad neurological effects as part of long covid
@@vacafuega definitely the case!
Haha I took ballet growing up, & our teacher HATED it when we stood like that.
I think of him every time I do it now 😂 (which isn’t as much, thanks to him)
And hey, ballet posture also had us rotating & holding our hips the opposite way as in that diagram, so maybe that helped me dodge some long-term effects there
Same same! I think about it a LOT. 🩰
I do find this fascinating, and would especially love info on correcting the American lean.
Hm, not only Americans commonly shift their weight from one leg to another. I saw it among all nations.
Regarding the hypermobility: thank you for explanations! Some puzzle pieces went into their places in my journey of learning about my hypermobility thanks to you.
YES I have ehler danlos in the family, this kind of hyper mobility is devastating and should be taught to drs and nurses, especially after car accidents!!!!
Empathy to you! I agree
So I can do the palms to the floor thing but I think it's because I have very long arms and very short legs?
Definitely do the lean though, I have 0 zero core strength
It can be tricky to diagnose, and I’m definitely not the one to offer that to you 😂 but just for reference, I don’t really pass based on the bechtel scale, but notice a LOT of instability in my cervical spine and around my SI joint & hips.
It’s an instance of narrow diagnostic criteria and using your own discernment 🤪
what about the shoes! There is a preponderance of higher heels even with running shoes ❤
I love that you brought this up! I talk about barefoot shoes all the time. They’re a HUGE help. People don’t realize that modern shoes are not designed for our bodies, but for fashion.
@@Nervous_System_Coach Yes! but it’s deeper than fashion, tis psychological. The feet are a structural repeat of the spine, ankles are connected to the upper neck. Your hips and base of the neck are connected and mimic each other! Is it any wonder women are especially out of whack in the issues of wombs? Cuz our center of gravity has been tilted to a ‘masculine’ angle, ie forward. This puts a woman’s psyche in a stress response= survivalist mindset. Not blaming women, but the program is imposed on us and then We replicate it to our detriment. Then epigenetics means the mindset stays and the heels aren’t as necessary ♥️ I trained in dance so i think a lot about the physicality of movement 🥳♥️🥳🙏🏿
@@Ananka76 physiological for sure! The anatomy of it all definitely tells us that being barefooted is best (for many reasons!). It’s interesting to consider the psychology and women & gender studies of it all.
I'm hypermobil... I also now have arthritis in my L5 S1. I really enjoy my backbone being a spring in the diagram. Accurate.
Oof- witnessing you in that! I’m glad to shine a light on it. It’s definitely misunderstood
Do you have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome
You know in other word for it is the cowboy lean.
The american lean that the CIA trains out of you isn't a stance but literally the habit americans have of leaning on things. Like walls chairs tables bars rails etc.
That's literally it.
Source: went through the training
Also if you want to pass for non western European, non american, and non canadian you have to learn to squat correctly. Most culturea each have a different squat
🤭 I realized that- and I thought it was reminiscent about how we tend to collapse in on ourselves as a result. Instead of standing up with good posture, we lean on things. If there are no things to lean on, we lean on ourselves.
^ me when i spread disinformation on the internet 😎
@@austincde which part exactly are you referring to?
Yooo! Info dump that ish! Im here 4 it
Ahaa yesss thanks! 🙏🏻
I disagree. We have a dominant side. Dominant hand. Dominant foot. It means we overuse that side. This causes a strength imbalance. To compensate, we start standing in unbalanced positions. Add our sedentary lifestyles with non ergonomic furniture and poor footwear that causes weak core postures, we walk with hunched shoulders. I know this because i suffer from neck pains from poor posture. It’s taking me a long time to rehabilitate. First I had to stretch my shortened pectorals (which took many months), but now I’m building up my core muscles. It’s taking a really long time to fix things. My posture is getting better but my core is still very weak.
That’s cool! I’m glad you’re starting to notice improvements and balance come back into your muscles 💪🏼
hEDS (hypermobility Ehlers Danlos) is like the new autism because it is growing at about the same rate as autism did in the early 2000s. I have the “American lean”
I don't think it's because it's more prevalent than it ever was it's just that doctors still don't believe that EDS is really a thing and refuse to dx it. I pass every test for hypermobility and have the history of dislocation etc as well. So at 62 I am in a lot of pain but they keep denying the diagnosis. I'm trying to do what I can to strengthen and work on posture etc. It kind of sucks to have a so called "zebra" disease that you get to suffer from until someone believes you.
@@puggirl415 witnessing you in this ❤️🩹 I agree- this is absolutely the case in the medical field. There isn’t a lot of money going towards research or treatment of this condition yet.
So correct me if I'm wrong, just a hypothesis, but I think it's mostly cultural. Kids grow up imitating their parents way of standing. So where does the flex come from? I'm not sure how accurate it is with bone/tendon, but when you stretch a muscle consistently every day that muscle becomes more flexible with a wider range of motion. Could we (North Americans, I've noticed many Canadians do it too) be stretching our skeletal tissue?
Interesting thought! Nope, it’s definitely not a stretching of skeletal tissue. It’s a lack of stability at a joint due to weakened connective tissue. It’s not so much bc the muscle alone is more stretchy, it’s that the joint tissue has more laxity. Instability due to poor posture can also be painful and uncomfortable, but it’s not the same as being hyper mobile 🙂
It’s absolutely both- learned behaviors plus connective tissue laxity contribute to the issue.
@Nervous_System_Coach Like I said it was just a hypothesis. I am one of those people who can touch their thumb to their forearm and their palms to the floor so obviously my frame of reference will be skewed because you said right at the beginning you weren't talking about people like me.
Anyways I wasn't debating the lack of stability or strength. It's not good for the skeleton. I was simply throwing darts at the wall how we got to this point.
@@JackofWhitechapel totally! I love postulating theories and ideas. I’m glad you commented!
You can stretch connective tissue if you're consistent, that's how gymnasts do it - so it's definitely possible that's happening. I mean, our ligaments can get shortened by sitting a lot of wearing high heels all the time, so it stands to reason they will stretch too
@vacafuega that's what I thought, at least that's what I thought I understood from a bunch of yoga and Tai chi books.
But then there are also pseudo-limits to how flexible a person can be/ should be too as I understand it. Like she's not wrong about the posture creating weakness and stress on integral structures.
And then there's sorta the elephant in the room that neurodivergent people are more likely to be hypermobile.
A lot of people have jobs where, poor posture is almost required, (anything where a person is leaning forward, or bent over for most of the day)
That’s an interesting take! I don’t agree that poor posture is required for most jobs- with the exception of plumbers or other contortionists lol as far as desk jobs and factory jobs go there is a lot of room for improvement ❤️🩹
@@Nervous_System_Coach factory jobs, I was referring to mostly, where people are bending forward about 8 hours a day, but yeah, if the machines or the packing lines were raised, it would be better
Explained it perfectly. Thank youA
Happy to help’
So much to think about 🧐
I’ve got thoughts on thoughts about it lol
Europeans definitely do this too (I did it most of my life growing up in France with British parents) but i feel like it's more extreme in NA, my Canadian husband does it and it's quite a bit more pronounced than me... I wonder why the difference?
My first thought is core strength. Europe has much more developed public transportation and cities tend to be more walkable- so the activity levels of folks are much higher than NA where cars dominate.
Even without doing crunches or planks etc to build the core, Europeans are far and away more practiced at using their core stability to stay upright than we are in the states. I bet there are other contributing factors too, like culture, or even prevalence of HMSD
And is there a way to fix ones core stability?
By working out?
Physical therapy helps
There are videos in youtube showing core strengthening exercises. Also stretching the hipflexors and miofascial release(with foam rollers and/or massage) is important.
Absolutely! Love this question. I can post more about it, but there are loads of free resources on YT. It boils down to being aware of your body position and keeping those ribs stacked over the hips.
Which is exceptionally challenging to those of us who weren't diagnosed until well into adulthood and who also have poor proprioception. It's challenging to have someone look at you and say, "Just pay attention and fix it when you notice you're not standing up straight," when you can't tell where your body is without visually seeing it. @@Nervous_System_Coach
I bet I know where this came from
Han freaking Solo
Have there been studies done that prove that it is more common in Americans?
I've heard Europeans mention it. I would be curious to see a study.
I haven’t seen one but I’d love to know! It’s easy for me to see though, given the lifestyle differences between the countries. We tend to be WAY more sedentary in the US, and there’s a lot more walking, public transport and general activity in European countries. Little things make a big difference over time.
I think I definitely have this and it's getting worse with age 😢 how to fix it?
Witnessing you in that! I’ll post more videos soon about this
Why would Americans have hypermobility in their pelvis or cervical spine but not Europeans? I have doubts that this is the cause or a sufficient explanation
Great question, thanks for asking. Im not suggesting that Europeans don’t have this instability as well. I just don’t know to what degree this differs between continents.
Mostly I think it has to do with core stability and activity levels between cultures- and muscle tone is a huge help to stabilize joints. HMSD is a stability issue within the joints, so I wonder how much of the posture comes from untreated HMSD.
American food is fortified with artificial B-vitamins. Which can also cause mental health problems, anemia, and cancer, especially when combined with other crap Americans are consuming that aren't a thing in Europe -- crazy food dyes, glyphosate, lysol.
See: "Folate-dependent hypermobility syndrome: A proposed mechanism and diagnosis"
So that's why I'm fat
Amazing work thank you for the information. I work I physical therapy and I couldn’t of explained it better
It’s my pleasure! Thanks for your kind words 🙏🏻
So the reason I have a massive dumptruck is because of autism, 😎
Ahaha I mean, correlation isn’t always causation but I’m not here to pop your balloon 🎈😂❤️
How to correct this ?I have been having a lot of neck pain ...
Witnessing you in that! I’ll post more videos on this soon
@@Nervous_System_Coach Thankyou so much🙏🙂...That would be great...this is the first video which addresses the issue...btw have been having neck pain with a lot of tightness in the lower hip on the right side...it's all connected
@@nilag6774 it’s definitely all connected! That sounds tough- I’ve experienced all of that too. Witnessing you! I’ll be sure to post more on this, it seems to be interesting to more than just me! Lol
What causes it? Is there a solution?
Great question! I’m not sure that we have a good answer for the root cause of it yet. We do know that it’s a combination of laxity in the connective tissue and the nervous system not activating our stabilizer muscles.
As far as solutions go- consider that it’s a lack of stability at the joint, so our solution would be to add stability to the joint (usually through building muscle mass around it). Regular exercise is very helpful
How can I correct this?
Great explanation, Its not usually linked as cause and effect from those simptoms. And youre so pretty i wish i could met you 😅!
It seems irresponsible to frame hypermobility as "not the ideal"
There's a huge range across bodies. And we all have different strengths and weaknesses to be aware of and adapt to.
That's why she didn't say "bad"
Im not sure what is irresponsible about that. Genuinely confused. As someone with hyper-mobile elhers danlos syndrome, for me my hyper-mobility has aided in de-stabilizing all of my joints. Hyper-mobility isn't as much of a problem when accompanied by muscle mass, but even then, I am baffled and struggle to come up with an instance when it is ideal to be hyper-mobile
When I say “not ideal” I don’t say it in a shaming way- as I also experience this myself. Nobody is born wanting to be achey and sore lol. More so from a biomechanics/ kinesiology perspective- like ideal would be a body that has access to its full range of motion without pain.
Well, in the sense that being in pain and feeling weak is not an ideal for anyone really
What's with backward names like "hyper-mobility" which sounds like some athletic hyperactive person or something, when it's actually what this video describes of the opposite of an athletic hyperactive person..
"Hyper-" is a prefix meaning "over," so hypermobility means "over movement." Very appropriate as the condition sees the person with overly mobile or flexible joints and ligaments.
Particularly in the US, hyper has become a cultural shorthand for "hyperactive" (over active), a diagnosis dished out in the '90s.
You mean Beighton score
Yes I did lol I heard it after but didn’t feel like re recording 🤪