This REALLY Worries Me (Why It Should Worry YOU Too)
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2022
- Is This Just The Beginning?
The Elder Scrolls Online is testing a new Monetization Strategy called Customized Actions. Customized Actions will live in a player's collections menu and will provide new visual effects and animations for existing actions like harvesting resources and fast travel.
In a recent ESO Live, Gina Bruno stated that Custom Actions will only be available for purchase through the Crown Store and via Crown Crates not through in-game activities such as defeating monsters, finishing dungeons or completing quests.
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Khajjit Dunmer player
reminds me of runescape
You can tell they weren't exactly proud when they were showing it off. Looks to me like an idea conjured up by someone who studied videogame economies at university, rather than a dev who understands the nature of their own game.
I bet a lot of devs aren't proud of their games because of what the higher ups tell them to do.
I've studied videogame economies at a university, and man the lectures were awkward as hell. Even the professor wasn't into it. And I don't blame them at all. The irony was that once we went to our student-run gamedev studio, monetization was one of those subjects that we rarely talked about, nor wanted to talk about.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way, they were pretty neutral about it. Then again, how excited can you get over paying to have your axe sparkle when you cut wood? It's a pretty boring feature 😭
Indeed, developers do not have the final say in what happens with the game they maintain. Remember this, game manufacturers is business. Business takes money. Stakeholders always want more of it. One way to stop the ridiculous monetization in the gaming industry is to stop purchasing stuff that doesn't really add value to a game. I play games for its content, silly shit like a 2 second animation isn't all that memorable when it comes to the experience of expertly written quests and dialogue.
You just described the state of modern gaming.... it's a career for these people, they literally just don't care
The monetization in ESO is a big part of the reason I am playing other games. When the first thing you see as you log in is the crown store it tells you what they are focusing on. Being able to earn rewards is something that keeps people playing. Having to spend real money on top of purchasing the game and paying a subscription is just going to turn people away.
tbh the game is so often on sale the upfront purchase really isn't any issue
The problem start with near mandatory subscription and the ammount of crown store locked cosmetics
I must say my problem is with the dlc content. A buy to play gamey we're I need to buy the extra content...pfff. I enjoyed eso as a newbie a lot, but when you understand the game better, you know you need those DLCs
@@antoniocorbachomatthes1629 EXACTLY. The company intentionally preys on new players through naivety and novelty so they buy into the endless predatory tactics. When the player realizes this, it's too late because they already spent their money. Really makes you see why they wont focus on veteran players much because they already know what the *real* endgame is about.
You can buy crowns with gold which you earn in game... this is a non issue.
I agree. I don’t like that. Assassin’s Creed does that too. In order to get Crowns, you have to buy them, no matter what unless you just started on. You either pay for ESO Plus, or you buy them whenever you want something, and it could be something that is given to you by earning them, but they’re finding ways to take your money. They’re already making a lot of money with how many ESO DLCs there are.
it’s actually a crime that’s this particular team got put in charge of making this game. this game has so much potential, which is sad to say after 8 years it’s been out
The team is fine. Its the men in the shadows who demand that small features like this be monetized, instead of earnable in-game, that you should be angry at.
@@presshart True, but rich lambert is someone I find hard to respect as one of the people in charge.
@@presshart I'm angry with the shadow people there and I'm not happy with the devs either. Whether they like to add this junk in or not, the fact they are holds them accountable. That's how I see this. It would be different if this content was "factory products."
But no, we are waiting months for a single update, a single zone at a time with months apart with equal or worse quality, i.e. In Blackwood there were misspells in text, High Isle had people with missing torsos and quests that would break. The only things that don't have a lot of issues are Crown Store goodies. These Zone DLCs aren't huge for MMO standards so quality should be skyrocketing in lack of the quantity, so why are these problems here???
There's something more going on than just some overworked devs oppressed by shadow people. I think overall there's a lot of issues inside ZoS, there's likely resource allocating since they're suppose to be working on a new game, and ESO has always had a rocky lifespan. If it weren't for One Tamriel, the game would've been dead.
So we can’t get new classes/races because the code can’t handle it, but it seems adding unlimited animations is totally fine long as we have to pay for them. Wonder how much they would make if everyone came together and decided no t to play for a week or so, maybe that would make a statement
Refraining from playing wouldn't hurt ZOS. Everyone who plays this game had to purchase it at one point or another. I think players need to ask themselves how important that new Crown Store shiny really is. If the answer is "not important and forgettable", then save your money.
It's also sad because.. look at Black Desert Online. There's literally 24 Characters that you can highly customize, the graphics look beautiful, and it isn't fully pay to win or anything of the sort. There's events going on every week, and multiple ways to play including life skilling, grinding, and pvp.
In my own opinion, BDO has always been better to me than ESO. BDO is a bit.. well, a lot more complex than ESO though so I guess there is that. 😂😂
Down to clock out for a week👍🏼
New World has a new expansion out too, and it's in a much better place than it was on release
What new races? It's Elder Scrolls. It's actually based on source material. Don't ask them to make a further mockery of that source. I don't want a thousand akaviri walking around tamriel like they belong there..
Classes, sure. But races? Dafuq?
Hard agree. It's cringe worthy and makes me wonder what's happening behind the scenes to make them think this is a good idea. Gina looked like she was bracing herself for the tsunami of complaints when explaining the new monetized custom actions!
I've been preaching about the lack of content and the amount of monetisation this game has over the last year. I'm happy to see the bigger channels are finally picking this up, hopefully something can change before they actually kill the player base off. Good video 👍
I'm so sick of this honestly. I do like the game but there is no new content! Sure we get a new zone and a few dungeons alongside some gear sets but nothing game changing. We've not had a new combat skill line since 2018, last class came in 2019, no new weapons have been added ever. If they won't do that they could instead balance or rework existing skills but they don't do that either. The entire vampire skill line is HORRIBLE, NB is the only one who gets some use out of it. But it will probably never be usable again. Many classes have a bunch of worthless skills too that could be reworked to change things up but that doesn't happened either.
@@lukasr1166 man I’m still pissed about vampires 😡
@@jon_ovo3653 they are absolutely horrible. The ONLY reason to use vampire is for a single passive.
@@lukasr1166 which is ridiculous, I ask for it to be a class but I get a lot of pushback because ww would also have to be a class which is understandable but man they just killed the skill line and destroyed frenzy too
@@jon_ovo3653 I'd kill for a new class. A dedicated WW and vamp would work much better. A frost mage class would also be good, then they can ditch winter's embrace from warden and make it a druid class and not the identity crisis it currently is (also please rework dive. Worst spammable in the game).
The issue with paywalling so much is you send an implicit message to the player
"Our world isn't worth exploring so just pay to skip it all"
Because once you've beaten an overland enemy you sorta seen them all and without real reward for exploring you don't really want to either
You know what? I haden’t considered that concept before, but it sort of makes sense. But now I can look back and recognise the fact that this implicit message has affected me subconsciously on a few occasions. I find it troubling that games are being changed in this way since I play them for entertainment and I don’t want to have monetisation to mimic real life,
You're so right. I haven't bought a single mount. However, the Ebon Dwarven Wolf that requires you find a bunch of pieces...I spent between one and two months tracking that down, and while parts of it were a bit of a slog, man was I ever ecstatic when I earned the last piece. I have zero interest in crown store items.
It’s getting harder to convince my friends to join me in eso with everything they monetize. And eso plus is already pretty mandatory the way I like to play, so that doesn’t help. More things should be unlocked via gameplay, and not just an ugly hat I’ll never equip because I loaded in a trial or zone.
Agreed. I’ve stopped paying for anything in the crown store. Everything is overpriced. Also moved on to another game… best decision for me.
@@csnyder6997 see the thing is ive spend years now looking for other games and came to the conckusion theres not a single great mmo out there atm. Hopefully Ashes of creation will be good
i have the even had a mate buy my account the last 3 expansion and then got an issue with my account login and the so called help for that response is can you prove its your account and its stated on my online details that my game was an original alpha key and the disks and cd key were lost due to bushfires in my state a yr after the release of the game and they then say oh sorry we cant help you then you need proof its your account the company is only in it for the money they are getting from those using the crown store they dont really give a crap about people that have limited money and or have issues with login another friend of mine that lived next door to me the yr the fire hit is having the same issue as me with being told if we cant prove we are the owners of the game and provide the keys then we are not the owners even though i have the exact same email account on that account as the login and have proved that and the cards linked to my account are linked to other games of the parent company and are known to them i will just let the game die
@@klausklautklopapier4679 Have such high hopes for Ashes... Afraid we are all going to be let down yet again.
I pay for plus and it kind of sucks that you cannot earn 99% of the items in the crown store. I'm with you 100% when it comes to making ESO have more Play to win rewards than just swipe here.
Plus is basically just a craft bag. Which is a necessity by the way.
The craft bag is needed in ESO, but shouldn't be. Even a little company like Hello Games figured out a way for players to earn more inventory in game. Make in game money, buy inventory. Keep your wallet in your pocket.
Yup, even with the monthly crowns, you can't really get anything because most of the cool stuff is overpriced or locked behind crates
I pay for Plus, and I have more credits than I know what to do with right now, I think close to 50,000 because I haven't been spending it. You get credits with plus. There's no reason to spend more than that if you don't want to.
I recently picked up another MMO after being active on ESO and one of the biggest things I noticed was how different the rewards were. Also the constant feeling of grinding on ESO and the more relaxed feeling in the other MMO that your weapons and builds won’t be nerfed next patch. I love ESO but it’s exhausting sometimes.
whats the mmo your playing instead i need one i can jump into and talk all my discord members into ditching eso for
@VinAr Run Yeah wtf... as someone who just started playing ESO and was playing WoW before, it seems pretty chill and I'm just having fun exploring and having fun witht he story, not rushing or grinding levels.
Zos doesnt notice any lag in cyrodiil because theres no lag in the crown store:)
Good one bro
Would like to see them achievement based, not just crowns!
Yup, like if you max out a certain craft you earn new animations
For me, personally, this game has ALWAYS had a problem with monetization.
Initially, it was *just* charging WAY too much for how little you're actually getting. Other issues would be things like limiting assistants (bankers not having guild bank, merchants not being able to repair, etc). With Housing, there was a LOT of really great stuff but it's still WAY too pricey for how little you get. Maybe if they had a "Craft bag" style set up for furnishings it wouldn't be so bad, but that's just a personal gripe.
The other major issue is just how out of touch the devs seem to be on all of this stuff. Not just in pricing but just what the players want, or more so, keeping this stuff running properly. They're going to introduce custom actions, which i REALLY like, but they're going to be way too costly for what they are and they're likely going to be buggy. Either buggy AF or constantly breaking because of how they were added. Look at the blade of woe or vampire feeding. I get, *maybe* one animation for each around 85-90% of the time. Always. Just that one animation. I KNOW there are MORE than that, it just always seems to be that one animation. Adding in custom animations, i just see that being something that "mostly works" or works so infrequently, they just drop it and pretend like it never happened, likely saying "it wasn't making enough money to keep going" despite the reason it doesn't make money being that it doesn't work right.
I LIKE the idea, i just don't have the faith in the team to really do this idea well or not abuse the concept for monetization. Maybe if they fleshed out the Personalities to have more of these things, it wouldn't be so bad, but again, they just don't really put the effort in for that sort of thing.
I watched Luckys video and agree with what he says about monetization and agree its getting ridicules and makes them look like they are getting desperate for more money due to the decline in players which I beleive they could fix by making it more like Final Fantasy XIV systen which really makes me want to try it instead of ESO
Just my little tid bit of advice. If you have not played FF14, skip A Real Reborn. Yes you'll level skip, yes you'll have to learn a bunch of skills. But the grind through the base game is nutty. It's turned a lot of new players away. But after that, each expac gets better and better. Combat is also insanely fluid.
@@aegisaingeal222 I've also seen just as many people quit after skipping because they have no idea what's going on anymore.
If someone wants to, sure, but please don't keep telling people to pay to skip an entire (and arguably, most important) part of the storyline. Specially when they already patched it up to make it not have huge filler that specifically was done to buy time because HW wasn't quite on the table yet.
@@aegisaingeal222 yes i loved this game so much in the beginning, was hooked, but after 100 hours of this madness when i got to first expansion i was so burnt out, so i dropped it and after year still not sure if i want to play it. Maybe better to watch recap on youtube, it's totally not worth it. And this all thing, like devs say you should pay money to not experience and skip this bad part of our game, instead of refining it, or make free skip, it's weird.
@@aegisaingeal222 dude i straight up quit FF14 after hitting lvl 30 on my Black Mage and on my White Mage cause i got bored as fuck with the story
@@firelordkagami6793
And the characters looks like shit in FF14, korean european stylelook alike wtf? :))
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Speaking of druids, it really sucks, with all the druid stories, and other druid things, we didn't get a druid class with the High Isle update. We need a new class... or 2.
Wtf you think a Warden is?
@@landsraad9745
The ice magic doesn't fit.
I used the Warden to create a Druidic healer, but you lose 1 whole skill tree because the ice is ridiculous for a Druid. Warden is not a druid it's more a Druid/mage hybrid or something.
@@landsraad9745 A Warden does Ice and calls upon Morrowind specific flora and fauna. Druids are completely unique from Warden. It would be a cool addition as a sort of "Life Class."
I thought the same when we didn't get a flushed out psijic monk class instead of a garbage skill tree
I mean warden is esos version of a druid 100%
If I were a dev, I would have proposed both acheivement & store versions of stuff like this.
I would've made it so you equally get a basic version via either achievement or crown store, then you can get an upgraded version of the cosmetic once you do the other option, as a bonus.
It'd be not only about choice, but whichever way you choose to get the cosmetic, you still get it; and then have more choice to upgrade it at a later time, or leave it as is. Either way, you got it; and the bonus 2nd-route obtainability for something better is a way to encourage longevity through completionism.
On top of that, I would create hidden bonus achievements to further incentivize full acquisition.
So say you get all achievements for all the basic harvesting animations. Then, you purchase all the animations from the crown store to unlock all their upgraded particle effects. Boom! You now have a unique reward in the form of a new, exclusive cosmetic like a skin, costume, pet, emote, furniture item, memento, hat, mount, title, face & body paint, weapon skin, pet skin, dye, etc... that's related to that cosmetic collection.
But that's just my feasible-logic...
Finally someone speaks about it, every time I mention this people replay "nO bOdY fOrCiNg YoU tO bUy It"
What I was trying to say quests, dungeons.. etc don't reward you cosmitecs most of the time
Only Mounts rewards is in some events or hard trial achievements that's I don't perticipate in
Game is good and fun but Zos are focusing on crown store mostly, if only they give a little respect to the community that would be great
we got daghbosa playing eso first time seeing arabic player
Appreciate you speaking out about this. There's only so much greed one can stomach
I would like to see Zenimax take a year off pushing DLC/Chapter content and focus on fixing the servers, bugs, etc. The incentive to return to the game would still be there for players with events like the new life and witches festivals.
The game would not survive if they took a year off. As it is now they have to do a new chapter next year or they would be left with a 2 year gap following the big update of the previous chapter which was a card game no one wanted or plays. The end game players would leave for a different game due to lack of content and then it would just be left with the few people who check the game out because of game pass. Pretty sure they realized ESO is dying and they are working on the next MMO.
I generally avoid crown stuff because it's difficult to get what I actually want. Just recently there was something I really wanted, but I didn't want to waste a ton of crowns getting garbage I don't care about, so I didn't get anything.
The reason I've lost motivation for ESO is because of how difficult it is to get immersed. There's many reasons that go into this, the lack of RP support being a big one.
Longtime fan of Hack, I love your builds! I am phasing ESO out of my life atm. I fell victim to several years of monetization and they have A LOT of my money on top of Plus, Chapters, Crown-Gamble. I have thousands of hours in the game and played since its release back in 2014 (8yrs) so they have a lot of my cash, don't get me wrong, I loved the game, met great friends and even met the woman of my dreams (I am a widower), but the lack of new meaningful content, the constant class changes, chasing meta, the push for spending extra cash, the lack of PVP improvement and things they just ignored really make it hard for me to continue. After 8 yrs, I am saying goodbye, for good. Lots of games I could have been enjoying but didn't because I chose to go down with the ship...no more, I am just done...and for the record, I loved playing the vampire class...too bad they ignored it, nerfed it, and discouraged its play
I’ve spoken in zone chat about this issue and had been mobbed by others - the responses came down to “I don’t care - stop talking about it”. Im not entirely sure what we can do about it … it’s disheartening.
Well if it's worth anything, my friends and I are playing other games.
What do you expect from *ingame* zone chat? A forum??
They could sell the cosmetics, but if you have eso+ they would be available as part of some quest line. It would be a good compromise. The main difference with FF14 is that to play the game after level 50 you have to pay the monthly fee which allows them to support servers and put cosmetics as quest rewards.
Thank you for making the animation point! If they can add this as a paid option, they can make a new weapon, class, or something like that anyway! This pisses me off since I"ve been trying to be understanding about the lack of big content and instead things like ToT.
This game has so much potential. If player feedback was used in decision-making, I truly believe they could make this game the greatest MMO of all time. A new game mode, class/race, more earnable cosmetics/mounts, raid ques, social environments (maybe even a hub for players to gather), etc. would breathe fresh life into the game, but sadly, I have a strong feeling that they are squeezing it dry to get any juice ($$$) left from it before working on a new project. The fact that crown crates still exist and that the endeavor system is such a joke provide additional proof that no long-term consideration for this game exists.
PS. I love your content and thank you for stating your opinion publicly. Here's hoping the decision-makers behind ESO actually watch their biggest content creators AND do something with the advise, as they currently seem completely out of touch with their playerbase!
I've had a gripe about this for a long time, being that all the cool stuff is from the store especially when it comes to mounts. The number of mounts obtainable in game is so limited compared to what you can buy either direct or from crown crates. And while I get that the subscription is optional, I think for many including myself it does not feel optional when I want to play ESO. I guess the bottom line is that the greed clearly seems to be increasing.
ESO was my main game for years, I was part of a large Guild and the peak of the game for me was Summerset. Pretty soon I noticed the predatory monetisation seeping through, it all began in my opinion with the crown crates. I know I’m just one of many, but it’s sad to see considering I haven’t played this game in nearly a year. I was always on it with expansions, but lately it’s the same content style with every one. New zone, 6 world events, 6 delves, a trial, storyline and maybe one new small gimmick thing but nothing substantial. The genuine creativity is only expressed through their crown store. I wish they had more MMO competition on console as I feel this may drive them to produce better content, but who knows.
I think this is something I've been able to tell for a few years with the ever increasing cost of stuff in the Crown Crates. Outfits that were 100 gems when they were introduced now get released at a cost of 400, with claims that they are exclusively detailed and what not.
ESO has always had a big issue with monetization. Most everything in game are acquired from crown store, event, or something else. Count the items in the collections of what has to be bought. Destiny has the same issue.
You could make the gathering actions rewards for completing achievements correlating with each craft. Kinda like writ rewards for crafting a certain legendary set or for farming a certain amount of materials and not purchasing them so on and so on
Ya after watching Luckys vid it really puts things in perspective. I think ESO saw WoWs old success and still chasing it. I also believe ZOS is just a tool to help make money for Bethesda for single player games and giving little attention to ESOs hampster wheel.
Microsoft owns ZOS, ZOS owns Bethesda.
Rich is making money for Rich.
@@alucard8433 Slight correction. Microsoft owns both ZOS and Bethesda. Neither of the development studios ever owned the other. They were previously owned by Zenimax Media. Basically, people confuse ZOS and Zenimax. Zenimax/Microsoft = parent, ZOS and Bethesda = subsidiary.
i think with player numbers dropping for a while now theyre trying to make as much as they can before player number get too low... its shady and never ended well for other games that did this
Fantastic vid! I've been playing ESO since it came out and have watched the gradual increase in monetization! Although I pay for plus and use the crowns I get from that, I refuse to spend EVEN more of my hard earned real life money on the crown store, especially the 'low odds' crown crates!! I will continue to play of course but only until I can't get anything fancy through game play!!
Yeah I've been seeing this more often too. I enjoy outfits and personalities. One of my favorite Personalities is Worm Wizard as it fits my Necromancer so well and that's part of the Dragon Bones DLC. Any friends I try to invite to play ESO with me, they sometimes ask me where I get what I get. More often than not I have to say "The Crown Store" and they get disgusted. These are the people they are targeting, the new players, and they are not fond of it period.
If less money is the problem, then why can't they just use it to be more creative? "Oh you want this? Well buy the new Zone DLC and you can earn it yourself!" Lately I've seen a lot of the things they are trying to get you to buy are more expensive than the Zones they sell to you. You'd think what little we got from the Zones, there'd be much higher quality and more rewards to earn. Instead we're getting less rewards and more buggy versions of the same thing we've been playing since this whole "Year Long Adventure" formula started.
Tbh, it wouldn't shock me if they went F2P in a couple years and just let the game die out at the rate the insane amount of greed and manipulation is going on. If things don't improve and the 2023 "Year Long Adventure" doesn't impress me, I think I'll be saving a lot of money when my Subscription ends.
It's definitely a concern. Like you, I pay for plus, but don't buy crates. It's a shame so much stuff is locked behind the gambling boxes (with horrible odds) that they try to push.
What do you think of ESO's new monetization plan?
I totally agree, it feels like pure desperation.
This makes us want to have answers on ALOT of questions where the main question is "But... Why?"
its a fact that they seem to be out of their minds...even wow devs understood that at some point they must upgrade their mmo graphically and in other aspects and even they are losing now cause they didnt do it well,now we have in eso years of no upgrade to graphics,gameplay and current systems and a near empty expansion and its sad cause many people love eso much much more than any other mmos...
It's time to dump old xbox and ps4 support and allow the migration of players. ESO need to go further : in matter of gameplay, aesthetically, artistically, in their player experience. Maybe less D&D pure stats and more fun added to their gameplay.
It sucks. And it seems like it's a way to go for zos now which is very sad especially considering that ESO have a potential to be one of the best MMOs if they only would listen to a community.
Also about your question "why zos would make Q4 dlc if they give it away for free?" I think it's so they can sell more chapters. Because last 2 years I think they were giving it way for free only if you have a new chapter, without it it's not free. Therefore people who didn't buy a chapter before could think - hmm, I might as well buy the chapter now and have a dlc for free as a bonus. So I think that's why they are doing it.
Very close to quiting the game cause it doesn't feel rewarding or fun anymore. I feel like my wallet unlocks 95 percent of the games content. Very sure this month I will be canceling my eso plus.
Hey Hack as usual thank you for the post it's well appreciated by all of us. In my opinion the direction of eso reminds me of the movie Goodfellas when Paulie got into the restaurant business. Not to open wounds but patch 35 is a statement that no matter what we think or want they will do what they want. As per direction they might drop a new class or a skill line but it will probably have a crown cost attached to it. Maybe new homes that can hold 1000 items that base cost will be a ton. Tale signs of a public company. Question to be asking is not why, but when.... Ty again Hack keep up the good work.
I run the sanctuary set which had a green orb visual... they took it away with update 35 but only that set not its sister sets like worm, ebon or hircine which was weird at the time and now even more so...
I am hoping for that some these cosmetics find their way into a small quest line. So that you can fetch it as part of developing your class. Just for crowns in the crown store would be a pity!
Im 100% with you on this, one of the most remarkable quests for me when i first started playing was the scarlet judge one only because it really rewards you with something related to the quest. ESO is so rich in quests that dozens of cosmetics could be rewarded by completing certain questlines, leading the game to a way more enjoyable gameplay rather than some gold and a useless green/blue item.
@@krisoliveira9756 This is a lot more rewarding than just buying these with gold or crowns. You pay with/by actually playing the game and, as long as you are not skipping through the dialogs, enjoying the stories ESO has to tell.
I mean it is also totally fine by me if there are cosmetics to buy in the crown store and some things, like a mount, I am also buying but the game itself should also be rewarding and give you something which you can show by your character wearing it.
On top of that, I wish eso had class specific quest lines so you weren't just a random guy who comes in and is a dragonknight or necromancer. It'll add some believability to the game
Yeah - i hadn't thought about it much, but i do receive a lot of satisfaction from getting an 'in game earnable reward' and showing it off. lol even hats.
You get more players by having more and better content for everyone, not just folks willing to pay for a few sparklies.
Any chance you could make a video of the addons you use that work with gamepad?
I've been dreaming about having different/slottable animations for abilities ever since I've golded out my Templar, I love the abilities I love the build but I hate having all those golden looking moves, It's an RPG and I think you should be able to use, but especially look how ever you want and have a whole list of animations for a fair price.
You hate golden looking moves on a Templar? Makes sense
@@Minotyr You obviously don't get the point, but all good man ;)
Minuscule effects and the like should be something earnable through normal content (not even endeavor driven). The fact that we're here bleeding players for every drop of cash, and many are allright with that really speaks spades about this game. This is not where a healthy game lives in longevity.
@@terminalvelocity4858 yeah totally agree, for a fair price I mean mainly earnable through quest, dungeons or perhaps some Endeavor stuff
@@Syrus-Damos oh, I get the point. You want to have different animations. What I don’t understand is you complaining about a holy warrior having holy animations; it’s just odd.
With the transition of Zenimax to Microsoft and the fact that more of the games are transitioning to X-Box exclusive, the increased monetization might have a darker reasoning. Seems as though they are trying to bleed the game of whatever money they can get as it dies. Moving the money and time into the exclusive games. Hope its not the case, but something does need to change.
There could be something to this, but it actually doesn't look like Microsoft is going as hard into exclusivity as they could, or probably should. It's more likely that ZOS simply has nothing else to justify its continued existence and they are trying to stay in the green long enough to launch another product.
Some features I have been wanting for years now:
1) Being able to play as one of those giant Kha'jiit, which all it really is, is a normal kha'jiit but beyond what players currently get to be.
2) Argonians need to be able to see their horns through helmets, since kha'jiits got little ear bumps.
3) also I wish Argonians got more hair styles. Skyrim had decent looking feather/horn combos and the feathers looked okay, but i cant really say the same for ESO most of the time?
Argonians have like a handful of hairstyles that actually look okay, and its really sad how much more effort goes into the human races. Probably because nobody really plays argonians because ZOS gives all the elves the "best" passives that make you do more damage (looking at you high elf)
I have an unrelated question. Is there a point to leveling CP once you reach enough to have all the passive points allocated plus 4 slotted abilities? I'm at 1750 and don't feel like there's much incentive to use my XP scrolls.
Visual effect from mages quest - yes
Telvanni personally from vvardenfel - yes
Customised color of teleportation from crown store - big no!
For the last 2 years we don't even get skins from vet trials just body marks... Which more likely will be hidden under the skin. As well as end year rewards are just shame. Giving away dlc which cost 2500 crown and lots of players will still get it with subscription is actually giving nothing and much cheaper than giving house which cost approximately 12k Crown.
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Will those new personality things not be available to purchase with endeavors? So far almost everything that has been available from crown store/crates has been available to get with endeavors. I know that it takes a while to get a lot of those, but as long as they are eligible, I don't mind too much people having the option to pay to get it faster, while still having option to get them with endeavors. I think they need to do more with endeavors like make some weeks double endeavor weeks or get extra endeavors when you do quests and such (beyond the daily & weekly ones).
The issue isn’t so much that these are purchasable, it’s that by making everything purchasable there is little or no incentive for the devs to improve these things in game. Indeed it’s actively encouraging ZOS NOT to improve or fix any of the issues that exist in the basegame. And that’s a bad precedent.
I'm up in the air about coming back to this game. I played for awhile on PS4 and have since switched to PC. So was thinking of picking it up. But after this video I'm still stuck on the fence whether it's worth getting into again or not.
I totally agree, and if they would take the time to go to different forums (even their own) they would see that this isn't something that players really want. They would much rather have content. And bug fixes. Being able to earn this kind of stuff in game would be awesome. Like you said, you would get that feeling of accomplishment. Put that wood cutting action in the harvest 1000 pieces of wood achievement. Perfect spot. Where there is more content or content rewards, people will play longer. That's good for the company, right? So many people are upset with the crown store as it is. (I will say I am guilty about buying crowns..I like pets and outfits :P ) I honestly think that this has a big potential to backfire. The actions that they previewed are honestly meh. That talent and time could've been so much useful Elswyer ;).
Lets be real here when have they ever cared what the players want? The game is almost dead and they are doing everything they can to get as much money out the remaining players as they can.
I see no issue with this. There’s pay to win, pay for cosmetics, and pay for convenience. As long as they don’t make the game pay to win they can put as much stuff in their crown store as they want. I can choose to buy or not buy it and it isn’t going to impact my overall enjoyment of the game. Also I know tons of people who have no issue dropping real world currency on stuff that looks cool, especially those who work and don’t have time to farm achievements for them in game. The bigger concern is the constant balance and combat changes that they push out every 3 months. They need to stop changing the fundamental gameplay mechanics and start giving us more content instead (paid for or earned idc)
The issue is literally in the argument. They’re making content, but it’s all paid visual content instead of new gameplay. Pvp hasn’t been touched in lord knows how long, and classes haven’t been expanded on. And while they go and say they can’t run new content due to constraints there’s literally endless emotes and visual effects they constantly add each update. They’re just trying to milk the last little bit of money left in the game from the whales before shutting down
The problem I’ve had is that as time went on increasingly as I got anywhere close to pvp action I would just not be able to play due to lag or just getting booted off the server. I don’t know if it’s my hardware, my connection or just the demand placed upon them as the game changed. Very sad. Love the game but can’t play.
Hi Hack, your mentioning of progression really hit home. If I'm being honest, ESO really has no sense of achievement. We complete hundreds of quests and save thousands of NPC's. But 10 minutes later, the threat we just ended is right back again.
there are no threats in quests, overworld is too easy. no immersion.
I don't have any issues with this. ESO sells things that are cosmetic/ convenience but nothing that can be called " pay to win". It is a for profit company after all.
Yea other games have already been doing this, it's just fluff. Guild Wars 2 had harvesting tools that you could buy that were prettier than the default but served no other function beyond that. Anything the ESO devs do for the game costs man hours to develop and those people need to get paid. I would expect anything more that is regularly put into the game on top of what we already get (4 large updates a year is something not a lot of MMOs actually regularly deliver) would probably need to be monetized in some fashion.
So needing the dlc to get the meta gear or mythics isn't pay to win? Hmmm, ok.
This guy gets it. 👆
That is exactly the problem minotaur raises. There is nothing to "win" outside of crown store.
They can add as much garbage they want. Im not picking this game back up until they give us something interesting.
I recently started playing ESO and the prices in the crown stores are just insane. I had the idea to learn PVP, get really involved in this game, but I'm discouraged by the aggressive monetization strategies. I'll do the storylines and meaningful side quests, then I'll bail out
Experience scroll and pvp battlegrounds to 50 is the funnest and quickest way to level.
The cool thing is if you level to whatever the max gear level is with the battlegrounds all the quest rewards become useful.
@@spartakos3178 i agree 100% basically all my chars since 2 years are lvld pvp only. But i just came back last week and i have to say pvp lobbies are empty af. Up to 4 min sometimes to find a game. When i was rly active you found bgs in seconds
More games focus on monetization the less players they retain. Hoping that ffxiv comes to Xbox sooner than later.
Yeah if ffxiv was on xbox I would never have bothered with eso
I would totally play ff xiv on xbox.
The Wardrobe section of the crown store already has "emotes" Like walking and running in the items so not really something for the future as its already in game ??
does this also relate to attack moves ? 🤔
As someone who regularly plays ESO on and off, and always has ESO plus when I do, I really hate the monetization of the game. The issue here isn't that the devs are doing it though, devs almost never have a say in what their tasks or the direction of the game is, it's almost definitely higher ups who want to make a quick buck to show shareholders the 'massive' growth monetarily.
This monetization model trades player count, and player goodwill to try and hook a few big spenders. You are all correct in saying that the majority of players don't want this, but unfortunately in this industry player feedback counts for less than nothing when the income the company generates is increasing, albeit most likely only short term.
Love your videos HTM and you really get me pumped every time I have ESO installed. Let's hope they add both gameplay tied and Crown store related customization, because on this current trajectory we are not going to lose the crown store based ones. :P
Youve made good points and solid suggestions here. ZoS will never explain themselves, but if they listened to their customers ie took videos like this one to heart-they wouldnt have to act so desperate.
I havent been playing ESO consistently very long due to the over monetization, and now that I do play more I only have base game and refuse to put more into it as I've noticed they seem more concerned with adding more and more to the store, and not the experience.
If I went to a restaurant that told me I had to buy a sandwhich, but also the bun the sandwhich came on, and also pay for any condiments I put on the sandwhich, and also pay a subscription for the plate they serve the sandwhich on-but when I ask if the food is good they say "sorry, we spend all our time making sure the plate and the napkins looks good, we cant spend anything on making the food better unless we raise the price of the bun and you upgrade to a more expensive plate." ...I probably wouldnt eat there more than once, and I'd be concerned for the wait staff there who is just trying to make a living.
I really like your suggestions, because I just feel like all cool and interesting cosmetics and munt are received from the crown store
When are we going to get a global cool down timer on consoles for light attack weaving.
I think it's great to earn stuff during the game. But currently, everything I want to earn (dyes) is clocked behind a Vet dungeon that I can't reach (the newer ones). Like I have about 1200 cp but from what I've heard I should aim to have at least 1500-2000 cp before I can realistically do the content. So. If ESO had animations that you could earn it would probably be locked behind something I would not be able to accomplish.
Love the idea of that level of customization, really into my role play type builds and being a bit different to everyone else. Always liked the idea where you could change the looks of your pet say or the colour of your fire or frost ect. But to make this only accessible via the crown store just ends up stifling character diversity as the players are limited in their options and removes a level of connection between the player and their character. Fantasy RPG revolve around the freedom to imagine endless possibilities in character creation, being able to create something personal and unique but having to pay for it is just rude. Here 1500 crowns = NZD$20.00. That's a lot of money just for a single new out fit slot on a single character and I like making outfits. And by the way, not a single reward for mount training to 60 for all, three, speed stamina and carry capacity, could have at least given a colour for maxing out carry capacity, saddle bag brown.
Tyvm, HTM. I agree with you. I'm for new stuff in game with whatever is decided by ZOS....as long as it's earned not bought. There needs to be an earned version AND in store IF they are bent on putting in store.
YT not allowing edit? :P - Earned things should be via quests or achievements, NOT saving currency for a year to get ONE item.
I don't disagree in theory, but ESO is 8 years old and still has regular service updates. DLCs alone can't cover those expenses and ZOS has to find ways to support it. It's either that or let it die out over a couple of years. I would guess that probably 85% of those that have played over 2 years only spend money on ESO+ (like HTM mentioned) and spend little if anything extra on crown store purchases. Many of us purchase crown store items through legal ingame gold exchanges. My suggestion is to offer additional reward achievements, like being able to buy the houses for gold as well as crown store purchases. (It stinks that there isn't an option to furnish it without crowns.) Offer them in the store, but make it possible to earn them ingame as well. For example, it would make sense to add rewards like the new woodcutting and gathering effects after achieving GM crafting harvester. I personally think the antiquarian costume is one of the best costumes available and it's free.
I did think that the majority will likely buy the animations using saved up endeavourss rather than using crowns/gems as we don’t know what the price will be or are they going to be linked to in game activities such as antiquarian leads for instance. Guess time will tell.
I still play quite frequently but when it comes to overland questing I usually run right past those markers cause at cp 1600 what do i really have to gain from completing this quest? I would love of quests actually had good rewards to them, even if it was a weapon skin or have mythics tied behind quests, imagine they say this quarter your mythics are a secret and they are gotten by completing quests all over tamriel, everyone would be stopping at every marker to see what they might get.
This is coming from someone who 100% Skyrim all quests, all locations etc.
Even if they were to do away with crown crates, lower the cost of some crown items and have them in the store so people could actually buy what they want, I would be more inclined to spend money on crowns if i could actually get what I want and not take a risk on $50 for some potions and stews.
One of my favorite things is appearance equipment. Kolopi essence for a Mage character is what I did. Wish there were more items like it.
The sad thing is these would be cool and I would be all for it, IF they were earnable as well. ESOs monetization system has been my biggest issue with this fame since day one. I would absolutely love for more earnable mounts because I love collecting them, but there is just no sense of accomplishment. The wolf you get from scrying is my favorite because I had to do stuff for it
This is a core problem for me. If you get cool stuff in eso its usually because you bought it and not because you achieved it.
On the other hand when u achieve something like taking 10 keeps in a run in cyrodil or something you basically get nothing for it
Great video and agree 100%. I'd much rather earn something new than simply purchasing through the crown store. Hopefully ZOS will listen (though I doubt it). :)
I just started getting back into Eso.
I originally played back on the og release for xb1.
So for me, there is a ton of content for a returning player, even got a month member ship to get to the dlc zones.
So if you been playing this for so long, yeah it will get stale, but for me however, I have been having fun with it, seeing stuff I missed out on.
They should just add akavir at this point, you wanna change things, lets go to akavir and see the snake people that were so feared about. Hell new playable and never before seen races.
That will spice things up.
This video is spot on! Hope the devs take this to heart.
My first thought when I heard about action changes was paying to clip combat animations and the global cooldown gets reduced...for enough crowns.
Been saying this since 2016. I saw this trend as a warning sign in this game from the release of one tamriel. The game started with a handful or interesting cosmetics that you could earn in-game, but it never increased. If you want to have retention time increase in ESO, there needs to be more rewards to earn in-game. It needs to be that the majority of cosmetics are found in-game by playing, and the minority can be bought from the crown store. That's why WOW is still alive 20 years after release.
If the devs really wanted to monetize it, they could add a "sneak peak" into the next DLC, and have cosmetics that you can earn in-game available for purchase 3-6 months before the content you can earn them in releases.
I have that glowing effect on one of my characters, by stopping halfway through a mages guild quest. Anyway, I have a bad feeling the game has been wriiten off. There were a lot of empty and unfinished parts to the High Isle map. I had wished they worked on that, rather than do the card game. I think the higher ups really don't care about the content though. It's kind of like how printers are so cheap, but the ink is astronomical in price. Instead of working more indepth on the map, or game play, and like you pointed out, giving some zones away for free, they shoot for the crown store items, for a quick profit.
When all the items you want is behind a pay wall, what reason do you have to do anything in game. Monthly Subscription model was always the best because EVERYTHING was available in game threw quest and puzzles.
They do the same thing in GW2 with the infinite harvesting tools.
I mentioned that during the live video. Others did as well.
I love pvp and follow a lot pvpers, but I do have a question for you. How are they supposed to sustain the game if they don't montemize it? Am I the only one who buys crowns with gold?
an opportuninty to cutomize animations/magic color etc sound very nice if it would be made like changing color on station, but ofc they will put it in crown store xd
I personally only ever bought 1 crown crate ever (which was when I first got the game and didn't know what to do with the 500 crowns you get with the base game package). And since I got eso+ as a present I only ever used the crowns for DLCs since I want to actually own my fav game extensions and categorically refuse to support gambling - and that whole crown crate system is exactly that.
I accept that my characters will never look as awesome as some others I see in game since I only get my hands on the free in-game customizations, but honestly I feel like the fact that I had to work for every face tattoo, costume or fancy eye color make them so much more valuable for me.
5 years. My total time in game. Purchased the game for $40 US originally. Have since paid more for each expansion than I did for the base game (which they discount on realease day and usually give most or a good part to everyone for free). 6 years of ESO plus and I don't know how many crown purchases. And now, these geniuses think I want to pay so I can wave my hands in a different way when I fast travel? They have truly lost their damn minds.
I had no idea they were doing this. Looks interesting and reminds me of Guild Wars 2 which also had purchasable tools for harvesting that had special animations and effects and so forth. I like that they are trying to allow players to be more customized but this is not the way to go about it.
In fact I think the whole crown store and crown crate system should not be used the way it is now and the endeavor system was a good start but was implemented poorly and does not work as i believe it was intended from a players or communities stand point. What should be done is allow everything in the crown store be earned by playing the game. Sure, some will be more expensive but should still have an option to spend in game gold on them. Guild Wars 2 has this option. All the Gem Store items have gem values as well as Gold values. You turn you gold into gems or vice versa and based on the current transfer rate the amount you get from each varies; like a real world economic system. With this system it rewards players for playing the game and earning gold; which they do by quests and looting and just about anything. Eventually once a player has all they will need or want for a character or all characters they have no need for gold, but, if they could buy Crown items with gold; or turn Gold into crowns then it would be amazing. And drop the endeavor system as you have to spend an entire year to get anything cool which is not what we as players wanted. The Guild Wars gem store method is in my opinion the best microtransaction system I have seen. I also like Sea of Thieves season pass where you can earn their micortransaction currency by progressing through the season by just playing, not doing special things just play the game and get rewarded. Sure, it sounds like giving things out for just participating but it encourages people to play. Also, if you give some out a player can earn by just playing they may end up spending the difference in cash; or take the Guild Wars 2 path and allow them turn their useless gold into crowns. Or just make it all earnable in game. Maybe have tasks that need completed to earn the items, like a blacksmith costume is earned by doing blacksmithing.
I get your point and I understand I also agree with most of the things you said but I do want to mention that I actually enjoy the fact that I can buy these things there are some in game earnible personalities and skins but they are so hard to achieve I barely have any of them and I have been playing for years like it's like the worm wizard personality I can never seem to get it I wish desperately I could just buy it when you make something earnible and it's not very hard to get then everybody in the game will have one and the uniqueness is gone if everyone has it then it's value drops So iim oK with purchasing!
I'm a very casual ESO player, I pay for ESO+ when I do play but I never go out of my way to buy crowns for anything other than maybe an assistant from the store.
I do not play because of cosmetics or skins in the crown store, and I certainly and not their target audience for things like this. Sadly they are targeting their long-time player base who would want to spend real money and such a small change to their gameplay experience.
Great points! I think Zos prematurely triggered their own decline by pushing intense monetization before there was even a player decline. They got too greedy.
I really think that instead of coming out with new DLCs because the last one really sucked and the one before it wasn't all that great I would like to see them give more incentive to finish Zone questing I've been playing this game a long time and I still haven't finished many zones just because it gets so boring and I know the reward isn't worth it you touch on a lot of good points here and I do watch Lucky's Channel also I'm not sure what would make it better or worse but I know that I have probably spent the better part of 5 or $6,000 in the crown store over the time that I played I have several very elaborate houses and I really think that instead of having to purchase the houses with crowns if you could get a house for completing all of the content in a Zone they would probably get more money from people buying stuff to fill that free house along with other things you make very good points about character customization and I really like the idea of maybe a customer effect when you max out a weapon skill or a class but they need to stop with these boring ass DLCs I really do enjoy the year-long adventures idea but we don't need new content we need to continue or upgrade the content that we're already in like I really feel the molar ball storyline through Cold Harbor is very weak and I completed the whole Zone Quest on a level 15 character
1:08 Wait, so ZOS is planning to charge us Crowns to add some green fairy dust trailing our woodcutting axe? When they said new animations, I was thinking something like you cutting the log and lifting it up on your shoulder or something like that.
Agreed. Anything new that ESO introduces or hypes about is likely going to be in a monetization system.
I left eso a long time ago because the turnover rate for BiS armor sets were too high.
The fact that every 3 weeks I needed to grind for a new armor set, gold it out and get the right traits was insane, especially with the somewhat limited inventory. I also have about 12 characters, which made it worse. Began to feel like I’m just working a job rather than playing the game
One has to pay to play, and we play to gather equipment and resources to support and advance our character(s). Nevertheless, often as not, I feel of late we are the minions to gather resources for the developers ~ for example to level a weapon or armor set (at max level or as desired) we will use our resources to do so: for example, a chest piece will consume 160 of raw material and to enhance its abilities 1 green, 3 blues, 4 purples, and 8 yellows and when we deconstruct, we get back 0 to 1 yellow glyph and 0 to minimum material. I will not even discuss Jewlery for the cost in time and gold is unrealistic because the return on deconstructing raw material is minimum allowing the Guild stores to charge unrealistic prices (throwing out ECON 101) for it's supposed to be a buyer's market not a seller's and I lay this at the developers' feet. Transition crystals will get you 0 or 25 on deconstruction and nothing else.
Consequently, if they want people to play their game and allow them to buy rather than earn their way this game will go the way of WoW and all others who dummied down their game for profit; those who are in this for the challenge, the graphics, and the story line will seek other roads to travel bringing their hay days to an end.
I remember when players complained of someone beating them to a node or other resources the response was 'this is not WoW', implying, learn to play.
Can we have a crown store item that fixes the bugs because i would consider paying for that.
They should have it if you have eso plus everything in the store is 60% off that would be smart and good for us
Or make it that we get 3k crowns for being a sub monthly or allowing players to earn crowns from actually playing the game as well.
Well, fi you look at Guild Wars 2, they actually have the same thing for GEMS. Only thing is that you can actually exchange ingame gold for GEMS, so if they implement this to Elder Scrolls Online, this will not limit it to players that has a money to spend, but also to players and use a lot of time ingame and get lots of ingame gold.
This could also be a good place to make a more safe ingame place for CROWNS exchange, for players that has lots of them, and that is okay with exchanging it for ingame gold.
in a game with tons of nice content like eso, it is really sad to see so much focus on crown store, it's okay to put stuff there, but overland content, dungeons, trials and arenas would be much more enjoyable if you could get cosmetics by completing them (like it already works with sets and mementos) or reaching certain CP just like it happens with costumes at the beginning.
I got to a point where im kind of stuck as a player, because stuff won't be rewardable enough for the time and effort necessary or will simply cost money.
The one thing that stops me from really getting immersed in this game, I’m in my 30s and I hate that I can’t earn things in game anymore, everything is crates…such bs 😢