I think you made the right choice, function over weight is better in this instance (I have the 9100's and think they're great, no issues and I've had them over a year now).
Funny I've been going down the almost same road. I've swapped my xpedo rforce ti pedals for shimano pd-a600 pedals about 2 months ago. From 180g to 294g the pair, that's the sad part. But. Issue with the xpedo was they got some play because of the bearing, and some creaking sounds came with that. No more sound now, pedals drops in a better position and even if i got used to the xpedos, the shims are way better. Last bonus, the shims offers a big platform and it feels way more stable.
owly redish I’ll use my old seatpost for that, not only because of worries about the load, but the darimo has that bolt on the back that eats saddle bags/packs.
RofJ, how about more bike maintenance or component installation videos? Your bike build was one of the best, but I’ll be doing a full build shortly and I still have so many questions (and concerns). Thanks as always for the great content.
My opinion from a "been there, done that" perspective... Shimano is best choice for pedals. Most of the super-duper light competitor models are trash - good on the scale, bad on the road. I've been through many different lightweight 'road' and 'MTB' models. I have finally switched all my bikes (light road racer, gravel and cross bikes) to a single sided Shimano pedals (PD-ES600 & PD-A600). They're great for the road and also for some offroad use, except for the most extreme cases. They're lighter than XTR by 30-40g, also have better clearance to the ground. As for the titanium spindle upgrade for Shimano - forget about it (tried this as well)! The spindle is part of the bearing in Shimano pedals (provides the "cup" contact surface), and titanium is not good for this purpose. They wear very fast - I'm talking weeks. You will end up throwing them away pretty soon.
Yeah, I’m slowly reaching the same conclusion. I didn’t feel 30g was worth loosing dual sided entry for... at least for my “all-day” set up... if I go single sided I most likely will go road pedal instead... we’ll see what happens. I hear you (and many others) about the Ti spindles, makes sense 😔 I love the tinkering though hehe
Rides of Japan I’ve ran crank bros mallets for a long time the the reliability concerns are the older models they have improved a whole lot in the last few years, But that price is crazy I agree with you.
I used to run Egg Beaters all the time but have switched to Shimano XT and XTR. I race CX and the Egg Beaters are much harder to clip into and I also find the cleats wear down really quickly. Shimano just always work in all situations so worth a few extra grams in my book.
I bought some of the Xpedo titanium pedals a little while ago. I saw your review and was wondering why I didn't have the same issues when clipping in and out. I really like mine. What I hadn't thought about was the fact that I was using a pair of shoes to which I had already fitted Shimano cleats. Today I got a new pair of shoes, and fitted the Xpedo cleats. Now I know what the problems you had feels like. So my question to you is "have you tried Shimano cleats with the Xpedo pedals?" I have just ordered a pair of Shimano SH51 cleats for the new shoes.
Ive tried both m540 pedal by removing 1 side of the cleat mechanism. Just like a road pedal. So i have 1side clear for riding on flip flop. It does shave some weight and getting used to it was easy. Done off roading no prob. Just a suggestion that you can try if wanna shave some weight off those bling xtr
I remember when CanonDany switched his name to SickBiker. Makes me sad to think about. I am looking forward to seeing what you do next to save those 100 grams.
I do a lot of hiking, at some point I had to stop trying to cut weight for the sake of weight. When my total gear weight went from 13.1 kg to 4.9 kg without food and water I was happy. As far as biking is concerned I'm still working on that, I'm by no means a gram weenie when it comes to riding.
I recently bought a pair of ISSI pedals with a 64.5mm spindle. Took them to my LBS along with other parts for them to install and the mechanic stared at me very seriously and said “...they’re kinda heavy, these pedals🤨” Haha they are, but my knees are much happier than with my previous SPDs, which are BOMBPROOF, but the older I get the more comfortable I want to be on the bike
I'm on the budget side of parts. Find a second hand Eggbeater 3 for dirt cheap, ordered Ti spindles from AliExpress and new bearings and voila! Total cost 35-40$ and 126gr per pedal. I have Fizik Terra shoes and Crank Brothers premium cleats without spacer. I can walk all day in them, cleat doesn't clak on pavement. Eggbeater pedals confuse casual people ( and hopefully thieves) so this combination makes sense for commuting. I have alternative in Shimano Spd with A600 ( I think) that I inserted little screws on flat side which was too slippery.
Have you ever looked into Speedplay SYZR Pedals? I've always liked the idea of Speedplay road pedals, but as a gravel rider, I've stuck to Shimano SPDs. Anyway, I recently learned about the SYZRs and they seem like a great option for gravel riding. Plus, I was looking at the weights and if you buy titanium spindles (rather cheep from Taiwan) you can get the pedal weight down to 275 grams, cleats are 65g per pair By comparison, a pair of PD9100s are 314 grams and cleats are 70g per pair, so you'd be saving 44grams, and getting a better/more efficient pedal/cleat interface.
taaltrek1 having been on speedplay road pedals the last few years I’m not really interested in any of their pedals anymore. They work fine but cleats are stupid expensive and they require too much (boring) maintenance for my taste.
@@ridesofjapan thanks for the quick reply! That's been my concern as well, I love the idea, but I'm concerned they'll be too fiddly. I just hate the efficiency loss of the rubber on metal interface of SPDs.
Hey Tobias, If you want some longer rides with good company head over to Audax Japan and have a look at some of the rides they do. Choices from 200-1200k throughout the year. Many riders there are experienced enough to know what works for longer rides. Also... Is your pedal/shoe interface supportive enough with Spd?
I not the event type of guy... I prefer planing my own rides and just ride and enjoy :) Pedal Has more than enough support when you have a stiff carbon sole 👍
I have the m8 xpedo and the xtr 9000. The xtr are better in every way except weight. The xpedo m8 are tough to find the clip-in sweet spot in race situations. When I back the tension off too much. I sometimes unclip mid-air.
Why you don't consider road shoes (SPD SL) are you walking a lot? After a couple of years in MTB shoes and on MTB pedals I have a very strong desire to upgrade to road. Even the fact that it has three bolts and thus the plate is 'twist proof' is a bonus.
Yes, walk a lot. I’ve ridden roads pedals for over 10 years until I went MTB full time. I’m tempted to go back to road mostly for the nice looking shoes ;)
@@ridesofjapan My Crono CX2 look great road style design, but they are soft sole and I can feel pain in my sole after some time of riding. Plus, huge problem with cleat panel twisting around when unclipping. Have you also considered touring SPD Shimano pedals? They seem to combine lots of good parts of both worlds? bike.shimano.com/en-AU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/PD-ES600.html OR bike.shimano.com/en-AU/product/component/tiagra-4700/PD-A600.html
If you want to trim some grams from the PD-M9100's, you can get the METI Rapido Ti spindles and knock it down a bit. Won't be as light as the pedals you took off, but it'll help a bit, and you'll have the best of both worlds as the PD-M9100 pedal is really great other than those pesky seals that keep popping out.
I live in Japan. Not really. Sometime I have seen products becomes available elsewhere before Japan. Parts stock level is pretty good here unlike everywhere else though.
My old retro Mtb has xray spd pedals, think they are renamed wellgo. And oh boy does the old xrays feel better than the shimano 520 pedals I am using right now. The older pedals are so much more positive when clicking in and out and you are more locked in to the pedal without being restricted. The 520 has too much floar and twisting going on, I dont feel secure at all in the 520. the same feeling with the higher end shimano spd pedals?
I will weight weenie everything but..... peddles. I’ve been on XTR peddles for 5yrs straight, same 2 pair for numerous bikes. MTB, Gravel, Cyclocross, Urban Road. Grease once a year, spray white lithium on exterior few times a year. Never replaced one part! Except cleats once a year. Mud dries in them all the time. Not the greatest in any category but reliability! For me, there IS nothing else.
Wky not get rid of the boat anchor ti spindle pedals - and replace them with a Ritchey Micro Road WCS v4 witch has a durable steel spindle and is only 208g for the pair? The Ritcheys are singfle sides SPD’s but quite easy to click into i i dont thing they a collecting and excessive amount of mud/dyrt. Other option is that you can rebuild the Xpado SPD’s with powermeter spindles from Favero Assioma’s.
Nice review. It seems a lot of users are having issues with the seals continuously popping out-often after relatively little use. I was going to get these, but now am not so sure. Have you had any such issues. Apparently it is a problem with both 9100 and 9120's.
Yes, I had the creeping seal issue on one of the pedals. I briefly showed off a simple fix with electrical tape in this video : ua-cam.com/video/byYGMEeg8dU/v-deo.htmlsi=wCTDKaRNeTMBfEvA
They aren't really road pedals but there is the Crank borthers pedals that are light. The eggbeaters (no platform version) can be as light as 179g for a pair and the candy (small platforms) can be 249g a pair. In my experience, they are reliable, have float and are easily serviceable.
Trust me I’ve looked at them countless times, but also looked at the user feedback, in that case the weight does not outweigh the negatives (pun intended)
Rides of Japan wow, really? I’ve been using SP’s for YEARS, and the only issue is the rare catastrophic cleat failure thing, which has only happened twice in about 18 years.
They’ll be fine... I had one full season on them and apart from some occasional noise and missed clip they work as pedals :) (put a drop of Cain lube on them before the ride is a tip if they start making noises) The XTR are just a more refined product.... but heavier.... 😭
@@ridesofjapan I appreciate the reassurance! I haven't opened them yet and I can get Shimano at cost through my work. Sooooo debating going the same way with the 9100's maybeee
You did write titanium bad on the xtr search from ebay. Im sure that its not the only time that you did searched from that but, just to poke with your ocd. :) Good video!
Haha... of course I did 😂 I can’t spell even with a gun pointed to my head, so my OCD has long abandoned that battle ;) But yeah, that was just to get the clips for the video, haven’t found any for the 9100 yet. Cheers!
Check out the LOOK X-Track Race Carbon TI pedals. Not cheap at $270 USD, but I've read lots of good things about them from those that are long-time SPD users. This model weighs in at 290g for the pair, but they have 3 other options for less money and more weight. I might switch to the mid-price option of theirs for my road bike this year.
Been using the xpedos for a while (moving from look stracks), and yeah, they do feel a bit rough in comparison. XTRs might me even smoother, but against my 540s on my beater, not a huge difference.
I consider moving away from Shimano pedals, perhaps to the Look X-track Carbon Ti or so. Mostly because I'm tired of cup and cone bearings, I never seem to fully get rid of the play in my XTR:s.
Why didn't you go with a "single-sided" type, like the PD-A600? Here's a quick review sample: "...The A600 pedals even manage to impress on the scales. Actual weight for a pair is just 292g, plus another 51g for the cleats. For comparison, a set of current Shimano Dura-Ace R9100 pedals and cleats weighs in at 305g - a saving of just 38g..."
The look x-track carbon titanium pedals are lighter and feel better. I've tried xtr, xt and even the super light Richey titanium ones. The look pedals have it all. In my opinion of course. Give them a try.
Don’t think there any titanium cranks in this video (also never owned titanium cranks. The only one that is readily available from what I know it the cane creek EE wings Ti cranks)
I think you do a great job with the videos. They are informative as well as being fun to watch. You have a great presenting style. I have ordered 2 of you tshirts and I want one of the hoodies, but would like the “rim brake defense”logo on it . Is that possible ? Oh, and I agree that people should not take the whole rim/disc brake debate so seriously, ride what you want to ride !
Why not run SPD-SLs? Lower stack height, lower weight, huge platform, no accidental unclips. Not the best for walking, but I ran them all year on my gravel bike without issue. Based on your rides, seems like you would be fine.
すばらしい！ Your videos are just great, so well done, so amusing and clever. It would be hard for me to care less about all this mechanical stuff (for me it’s about the joy of riding a bike), but you actually make it interesting and entertaining. がんばって！
The PD-M9100 pedals aren't sadly bombproof :( The seals regularly pop out and slide their way up the axles. No fix available except for contacting Shimano and warrantying them regularly.
I have the Favero Assioma road pedals. The highest priority for me is a power meter. I will swap the Assioma spindle to the Xpedo Ti pedals. I will let you know my experience. Thanks, enjoy your channel. On another topic: Coronavirus: Stay away from crowds. Wearing a mask is controversial but probably would if you are around many people at work.
Keep up your amazing video edits, RoJ! Why not Shimano Ultegra level PD-ES600 for the same SM-SH51 cleats used in MTB models? I haven't tried them (yet), but theoretically they should offer the same reliability and clip in/out experience while ~35g lighter, lower profile, likely same stack and significantly cheaper. Dual side action is not as important on gravel as it is in MTB, no? bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/ultegra-r8000/PD-ES600.html
Shimano pedals have cone bearings. Titanium spindles are unfortunately precious scrap because titanium is too soft. The titanium cone bearings are run in after a very short time.
Has anybody ever tried to remove the clips from one side of an SPD pedal? Should save a few grams and should be workable if you don't have to unclip many times during a ride.
Do you have any updates? I've heard from many riders with this sealing problems, the same with the PD-M9120 Trailversion and the older PD-M9000. In Europe, many web shops currently have delivery times until May with the XTR pedals. I hope Shimano brings out a revisited version. I also have the Xpedos, but the function and durability is just not the same as with Shimanos. I'm interested in the version with the 3 mm shorter axle and because of the lower height for the PD-M9100 for my new XC bike. On my old bike from 2002 I have the XTR 959 pedals. Work like on the first day! As an alternative, I'll try the Look X-Track Race Carbon Ti, unfortunately also delivery time until June. Corona sucks!
First like than coment and after that watching the video 😂 love your content and cant wait for more stuff. Im lucky this year i got the big bike train back and a cheap train tiket for Austria, because im Student 😍 so many rides will come
I love your videos! I've been so sad not seeing one for so many weeks, but I'd rather see great content like this than filler just to get a video out there. Knowing what you're switching on your bike is always interesting!
Sickbiker's video and his conclusion were wrong. He said, that the higher the pedal stack, the bigger the radius you spin (effective crank length). But it's totally wrong. Higher pedal stack doesnt change your effective crank length, it only elevates your foot at all points of the spinning circle. So to overcome your pedal stack height you only have to adjust your saddle height. It's obvious to see if you'll draw it
I didn't watch the video, but is that the conclusion he made? So that means a stack height of a ridiculous 1m, and he thinks your pedalling diameter would increase by 1m? 😄
I bet they don’t even announce new dura ace this year. Since they just bought pioneer’s power meters, we won’t see it until the can build a working power meter for 9200 to avoid the debacle of the 9100 power meter.
In my book, feel is more important than weight. Take a 175 lb. rider and add bike, kit, tools, spares, and water, and you have a system weight of 200 lbs. Add 1 lb. (455g) and it only adds 0.5% to the overall weight. On a 10 minute climb, that pound only costs 3 seconds. For a 200W rider, it’s a cost of just 1W. On the flat, it costs even less. Sure, save the weight for racing, PB attempts, and for our egos that want to claim the best numbers. (A 14.9 lb. bike is WAY cooler than a 15.0 lb. bike, right?) Don’t get me wrong. I love picking up a super-light bike - with empty bottle cages, no tools, no lights, and no GPS. But I don’t really experience the ride differently before and after I empty a 1.5L (3.3 lb.!) bidon. But I definitely notice squeaky pedals, creaking bottom brackets, flimsy cranksets with rubbing chain rings, an uncomfortable saddle, etc. So yeah, make the bike light, but not with the sacrifice of the riding experience and safety. BTW, I love the idea of a super-optimized, lightweight, PB setup along with a reliable, great feeling, all-day setup. It’s the best of both worlds. But let’s be honest, the PB bike is for ego (nothing wrong with that!) and the all-day bike is for enjoyable riding experiences. N+1 = 2?
@@JonFairhurst Rolling resistance and aero are more important than every last pound. Drop from a Panaracer GK 37mm to Conti 5000 TL and you're saving at least 12W!
@Jonathan Zappala - Regarding Dura Ace 9200 (?), you can be assured that Shimano will take action. It’s an Olympic year, and the 2020 Games are in Tokyo. As a Japanese company, Shimano is sure to bring new technology to the sport in time to qualify and compete in the late July/early August events.
switch the pedals to KCNC XC Trap-Ti, 240grams & they're pretty much shimano clones. The KCNC Titanium stuff is a lot more affordable then competitors & it's pretty solid.
Good to see you have taken the first step to recovery. Good luck in the future adding grams.
I think you made the right choice, function over weight is better in this instance (I have the 9100's and think they're great, no issues and I've had them over a year now).
Funny I've been going down the almost same road. I've swapped my xpedo rforce ti pedals for shimano pd-a600 pedals about 2 months ago. From 180g to 294g the pair, that's the sad part. But. Issue with the xpedo was they got some play because of the bearing, and some creaking sounds came with that. No more sound now, pedals drops in a better position and even if i got used to the xpedos, the shims are way better. Last bonus, the shims offers a big platform and it feels way more stable.
I like the idea of doing some more overnighters. I suppose the Darimo post would hold up to strapping a lighter load?
owly redish I’ll use my old seatpost for that, not only because of worries about the load, but the darimo has that bolt on the back that eats saddle bags/packs.
@@ridesofjapan Good to know. Thanks.
RofJ, how about more bike maintenance or component installation videos? Your bike build was one of the best, but I’ll be doing a full build shortly and I still have so many questions (and concerns). Thanks as always for the great content.
Cheers for the tip!
I would do lot of that but I have nothing to build 😉
But definitely want to do more of that in the future
I’ve been running xtr pedals for a couple years. No regrets
My opinion from a "been there, done that" perspective... Shimano is best choice for pedals. Most of the super-duper light competitor models are trash - good on the scale, bad on the road. I've been through many different lightweight 'road' and 'MTB' models. I have finally switched all my bikes (light road racer, gravel and cross bikes) to a single sided Shimano pedals (PD-ES600 & PD-A600). They're great for the road and also for some offroad use, except for the most extreme cases. They're lighter than XTR by 30-40g, also have better clearance to the ground.
As for the titanium spindle upgrade for Shimano - forget about it (tried this as well)! The spindle is part of the bearing in Shimano pedals (provides the "cup" contact surface), and titanium is not good for this purpose. They wear very fast - I'm talking weeks. You will end up throwing them away pretty soon.
Yeah, I’m slowly reaching the same conclusion.
I didn’t feel 30g was worth loosing dual sided entry for... at least for my “all-day” set up... if I go single sided I most likely will go road pedal instead... we’ll see what happens.
I hear you (and many others) about the Ti spindles, makes sense 😔
I love the tinkering though hehe
Rides of Japan you should try crank bros eggbeater 11 for some light gravel/mtb style pedals
Ethan Cushing After reading/watching a lot on them I don’t believe them to be an improvement over the xpedo’s. Especially not at the at price.
Rides of Japan I’ve ran crank bros mallets for a long time the the reliability concerns are the older models they have improved a whole lot in the last few years, But that price is crazy I agree with you.
I used to run Egg Beaters all the time but have switched to Shimano XT and XTR. I race CX and the Egg Beaters are much harder to clip into and I also find the cleats wear down really quickly. Shimano just always work in all situations so worth a few extra grams in my book.
I bought some of the Xpedo titanium pedals a little while ago. I saw your review and was wondering why I didn't have the same issues when clipping in and out. I really like mine. What I hadn't thought about was the fact that I was using a pair of shoes to which I had already fitted Shimano cleats. Today I got a new pair of shoes, and fitted the Xpedo cleats. Now I know what the problems you had feels like. So my question to you is "have you tried Shimano cleats with the Xpedo pedals?" I have just ordered a pair of Shimano SH51 cleats for the new shoes.
Ive tried both m540 pedal by removing 1 side of the cleat mechanism. Just like a road pedal. So i have 1side clear for riding on flip flop. It does shave some weight and getting used to it was easy. Done off roading no prob. Just a suggestion that you can try if wanna shave some weight off those bling xtr
do you attach 1 or 2 water bottles on your bike
2 cages
I have booth.
Xt/xtr.diference is minimal.
Have they fixed the problems of seals popping out on the new XTR pedals?
I remember when CanonDany switched his name to SickBiker. Makes me sad to think about. I am looking forward to seeing what you do next to save those 100 grams.
I changed mine also .. love the lightweight of the expedo but can’t take the clunky feel and dodgy clipping in and unclipping !!
I'm ordering one of those ROJ "Every Gram Counts" T-shirts...in XXL (says the 260lb old guy) :)
I use cranckbrothers eggbitter 2 with titan axle for 235g, total price for all 60eur. Also it have full titan version 178g.
I do a lot of hiking, at some point I had to stop trying to cut weight for the sake of weight. When my total gear weight went from 13.1 kg to 4.9 kg without food and water I was happy. As far as biking is concerned I'm still working on that, I'm by no means a gram weenie when it comes to riding.
Have you considered the PD-ES600 pedals? For anything but cyclocross it seems like the weight savings is worth needing to flip the pedal to clip in.
The es600 is not light enough for me to give up dual sided entry :)
I recently bought a pair of ISSI pedals with a 64.5mm spindle. Took them to my LBS along with other parts for them to install and the mechanic stared at me very seriously and said “...they’re kinda heavy, these pedals🤨”
Haha they are, but my knees are much happier than with my previous SPDs, which are BOMBPROOF, but the older I get the more comfortable I want to be on the bike
I have the M9000 XTR pedals. They're great but I find myself having to service them at least twice per year.
2 time per years is acceptable to me.
About the same as the Xpedos. My speedplay’s needed servicing 2 times per month ;)
I'm on the budget side of parts. Find a second hand Eggbeater 3 for dirt cheap, ordered Ti spindles from AliExpress and new bearings and voila! Total cost 35-40$ and 126gr per pedal. I have Fizik Terra shoes and Crank Brothers premium cleats without spacer. I can walk all day in them, cleat doesn't clak on pavement. Eggbeater pedals confuse casual people ( and hopefully thieves) so this combination makes sense for commuting. I have alternative in Shimano Spd with A600 ( I think) that I inserted little screws on flat side which was too slippery.
Have you ever looked into Speedplay SYZR Pedals? I've always liked the idea of Speedplay road pedals, but as a gravel rider, I've stuck to Shimano SPDs. Anyway, I recently learned about the SYZRs and they seem like a great option for gravel riding.
Plus, I was looking at the weights and if you buy titanium spindles (rather cheep from Taiwan) you can get the pedal weight down to 275 grams, cleats are 65g per pair
By comparison, a pair of PD9100s are 314 grams and cleats are 70g per pair, so you'd be saving 44grams, and getting a better/more efficient pedal/cleat interface.
taaltrek1 having been on speedplay road pedals the last few years I’m not really interested in any of their pedals anymore. They work fine but cleats are stupid expensive and they require too much (boring) maintenance for my taste.
@@ridesofjapan thanks for the quick reply! That's been my concern as well, I love the idea, but I'm concerned they'll be too fiddly. I just hate the efficiency loss of the rubber on metal interface of SPDs.
Do not feel bad. You said it; safety is first. BTW nice new logo of ROJ. Cheers.
If you're going back out on the gravel, can you do a video on frame protection tape that is lowest gram / per durability?
Hey Tobias, If you want some longer rides with good company head over to Audax Japan and have a look at some of the rides they do. Choices from 200-1200k throughout the year. Many riders there are experienced enough to know what works for longer rides.
Also... Is your pedal/shoe interface supportive enough with Spd?
I not the event type of guy... I prefer planing my own rides and just ride and enjoy :)
Pedal Has more than enough support when you have a stiff carbon sole 👍
I have the m8 xpedo and the xtr 9000. The xtr are better in every way except weight. The xpedo m8 are tough to find the clip-in sweet spot in race situations. When I back the tension off too much. I sometimes unclip mid-air.
Yater Lynch pretty much my conclusion as well. Although apart from a defect cleat I never had it I clip for me.
Why you don't consider road shoes (SPD SL) are you walking a lot? After a couple of years in MTB shoes and on MTB pedals I have a very strong desire to upgrade to road. Even the fact that it has three bolts and thus the plate is 'twist proof' is a bonus.
Yes, walk a lot.
I’ve ridden roads pedals for over 10 years until I went MTB full time.
I’m tempted to go back to road mostly for the nice looking shoes ;)
@@ridesofjapan My Crono CX2 look great road style design, but they are soft sole and I can feel pain in my sole after some time of riding. Plus, huge problem with cleat panel twisting around when unclipping. Have you also considered touring SPD Shimano pedals? They seem to combine lots of good parts of both worlds?
bike.shimano.com/en-AU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/PD-ES600.html
OR bike.shimano.com/en-AU/product/component/tiagra-4700/PD-A600.html
If you want to trim some grams from the PD-M9100's, you can get the METI Rapido Ti spindles and knock it down a bit. Won't be as light as the pedals you took off, but it'll help a bit, and you'll have the best of both worlds as the PD-M9100 pedal is really great other than those pesky seals that keep popping out.
ua-cam.com/video/byYGMEeg8dU/v-deo.html
Did you consider the Shimano PD-ES600? Single sided but SPD pedals and only 279g for the pair, not too expensive either as they are Ultegra level.
Weight definitely matters, but his is a healthy course correction, IMO. Looking forward to seeing where this takes you!
Don’t be so reasonable 😘
im very glad and lucky i bought a right one xpedo superlightness,can i know what bike is that why so light btw?
Do you get shimano parts any earlier after release in Japan, compared with the rest of the world?
I live in Japan. Not really. Sometime I have seen products becomes available elsewhere before Japan. Parts stock level is pretty good here unlike everywhere else though.
Time XC12, 248gr. I have 5 sets and no problems, no noice...
My old retro Mtb has xray spd pedals, think they are renamed wellgo. And oh boy does the old xrays feel better than the shimano 520 pedals I am using right now. The older pedals are so much more positive when clicking in and out and you are more locked in to the pedal without being restricted. The 520 has too much floar and twisting going on, I dont feel secure at all in the 520. the same feeling with the higher end shimano spd pedals?
I will weight weenie everything but..... peddles. I’ve been on XTR peddles for 5yrs straight, same 2 pair for numerous bikes. MTB, Gravel, Cyclocross, Urban Road. Grease once a year, spray white lithium on exterior few times a year. Never replaced one part! Except cleats once a year. Mud dries in them all the time. Not the greatest in any category but reliability! For me, there IS nothing else.
Have you looked at time pedals much they seem to be higher durability than xpedo and lighter than xtr
What do you mean real gravel bike? Does a 650*2.1 setup the U.P. can take not qualify these days?
The bike in “light mode” are 700x30.
650b is way over 7kg
Why not get a Crankbrothers Eggbeater 11? 179g per pair.
Wky not get rid of the boat anchor ti spindle pedals - and replace them with a Ritchey Micro Road WCS v4 witch has a durable steel spindle and is only 208g for the pair? The Ritcheys are singfle sides SPD’s but quite easy to click into i i dont thing they a collecting and excessive amount of mud/dyrt.
Other option is that you can rebuild the Xpado SPD’s with powermeter spindles from Favero Assioma’s.
I know, but I want dual sided.
Power meters I don’t have any interest in.
Finally "something that is making sense" 😜, now it's time for the wheels too.
Nice review. It seems a lot of users are having issues with the seals continuously popping out-often after relatively little use. I was going to get these, but now am not so sure. Have you had any such issues. Apparently it is a problem with both 9100 and 9120's.
Yes, I had the creeping seal issue on one of the pedals. I briefly showed off a simple fix with electrical tape in this video : ua-cam.com/video/byYGMEeg8dU/v-deo.htmlsi=wCTDKaRNeTMBfEvA
Didnt think of making a Xpeda and Favero combination to give you a power meter pedal?
Nope :)
Loved GPLamas video on it... but power meter is not my thing :)
I’m about to do this with Assioma and CXR’s
They aren't really road pedals but there is the Crank borthers pedals that are light. The eggbeaters (no platform version) can be as light as 179g for a pair and the candy (small platforms) can be 249g a pair. In my experience, they are reliable, have float and are easily serviceable.
Won't they contribute to a cracked (carbon) shoe sole?
Trust me I’ve looked at them countless times, but also looked at the user feedback, in that case the weight does not outweigh the negatives (pun intended)
A video about yout commute bike and setup would be also interesting
Shimano PD-ES600 SPD are one sided and 280g per pair.
I know, but I want dual sided
Have you tried Speedplay SYZR Ti pedals? I have been eying a pair. They claim a weight of 270g I think.
Not too keen on speed play, they where my road pedals for 5 years (still have them) and I like riding them, but they require way to much maintenance.
Rides of Japan thanks! I have never used any SP pedals.
Rides of Japan wow, really? I’ve been using SP’s for YEARS, and the only issue is the rare catastrophic cleat failure thing, which has only happened twice in about 18 years.
have you considered crank bros. 4 Ti?
You should try the look x-track race carbon ti, in my experience of 2 years with them they are more durable than shimano
I love the quality of your videos, can I know what kind of drone you have? thanks
Mavic air
Cheers!
Shimano PD-ES600 pedal is the answer. 271grams and gravel specific. Check it out.
Chris Rebbeck 30-ish grams are not worth loosing dual entry for me personally... it’s a good option for sure though.
Oof, just got a set of XPedo M-force 8 Ti/Cr. Hope I don't face issues with them :\
They’ll be fine... I had one full season on them and apart from some occasional noise and missed clip they work as pedals :)
(put a drop of Cain lube on them before the ride is a tip if they start making noises)
The XTR are just a more refined product.... but heavier.... 😭
@@ridesofjapan I appreciate the reassurance! I haven't opened them yet and I can get Shimano at cost through my work. Sooooo debating going the same way with the 9100's maybeee
@@ridesofjapan I’m relieved by this comment! I just got my set of M 8 today.
Shimano A600 with ti spindles-- 250ish?
I’m too heavy for those super light weight pedals so I’ve got the xtr pedals. They are a good set but i now have a weight target to aim for.
You should check the wellgo w01 titanium spd pedals, 230g and less than 100€
I’m intrigued ;)
You did write titanium bad on the xtr search from ebay. Im sure that its not the only time that you did searched from that but, just to poke with your ocd. :) Good video!
Haha... of course I did 😂 I can’t spell even with a gun pointed to my head, so my OCD has long abandoned that battle ;)
But yeah, that was just to get the clips for the video, haven’t found any for the 9100 yet.
Cheers!
Have you considered Look X Track?
Nice little video, was wondering what you had been up to.
Check out the LOOK X-Track Race Carbon TI pedals. Not cheap at $270 USD, but I've read lots of good things about them from those that are long-time SPD users. This model weighs in at 290g for the pair, but they have 3 other options for less money and more weight. I might switch to the mid-price option of theirs for my road bike this year.
Did you ever try Pi-Rope wheels - they use textile spokes
Hi, i love the channel, you have no issue pulling hard the pedal and accidentally unclip?
Cheers mate!
On the Shimano pedals, never.
On the Xpedo I have, but that was because I got a defect cleat that wouldn't clip in 100%
So I'm hearing you have some M Force 8's for sale? ;)
Nice try! :D
Been using the xpedos for a while (moving from look stracks), and yeah, they do feel a bit rough in comparison. XTRs might me even smoother, but against my 540s on my beater, not a huge difference.
gonnok I felt quite a big difference even to my XT pedals... but those have seen a lot of abuse though I will admit.
I love your stories. Keep them coming and tell us more about yourself.
Are you using road shoes,
I consider moving away from Shimano pedals, perhaps to the Look X-track Carbon Ti or so. Mostly because I'm tired of cup and cone bearings, I never seem to fully get rid of the play in my XTR:s.
Waiting for limestreaming.
Sickbiker !
Why didn't you go with a "single-sided" type, like the PD-A600? Here's a quick review sample: "...The A600 pedals even manage to impress on the scales. Actual weight for a pair is just 292g, plus another 51g for the cleats. For comparison, a set of current Shimano Dura-Ace R9100 pedals and cleats weighs in at 305g - a saving of just 38g..."
Hey mate!
I still want the dual sided entry, compromises is the curse I have to live with ;)
The look x-track carbon titanium pedals are lighter and feel better. I've tried xtr, xt and even the super light Richey titanium ones. The look pedals have it all. In my opinion of course. Give them a try.
hey! thanks for the amazing videos. did you find those titanium cranks? and do you know how much weight you saved?
Don’t think there any titanium cranks in this video (also never owned titanium cranks. The only one that is readily available from what I know it the cane creek EE wings Ti cranks)
@@ridesofjapan sorry... ive meant titanium spindle
For the speedplay you mean? That was from eBay like 5 years ago so sorry, don’t remember the seller or how much it saved sorry.
I think you do a great job with the videos. They are informative as well as being fun to watch. You have a great presenting style. I have ordered 2 of you tshirts and I want one of the hoodies, but would like the “rim brake defense”logo on it . Is that possible ? Oh, and I agree that people should not take the whole rim/disc brake debate so seriously, ride what you want to ride !
Yep, after watching your last pedal video I bought the 8100s :-)
Why not run SPD-SLs? Lower stack height, lower weight, huge platform, no accidental unclips. Not the best for walking, but I ran them all year on my gravel bike without issue. Based on your rides, seems like you would be fine.
I might go back to road pedals one day, not for the sake of weigh, but for all the nice white shoe options 🤍
@@ridesofjapan what is stopping you? Lighter shoes too. I have crossed a talas field on road shoes and the cleats still worked.
I like walking :)
What about Time XC12? ~241g for the pair.
Replacement cleats cost a fortune!
I want reliable stuff ;)
すばらしい！ Your videos are just great, so well done, so amusing and clever. It would be hard for me to care less about all this mechanical stuff (for me it’s about the joy of riding a bike), but you actually make it interesting and entertaining. がんばって！
Shimano grx gravel pedal ? Nice ideia
The PD-M9100 pedals aren't sadly bombproof :( The seals regularly pop out and slide their way up the axles. No fix available except for contacting Shimano and warrantying them regularly.
sabamacx that’s what I’m waiting to see if it happens.
@@ridesofjapan Update time? :^)
Yep, right pedal had the seal slip. Fixed by a layer of electrical tape on the spindle.
Sorry for your gain. Adding weight to the bike is always a tough decision. As painful as it can be, sometimes function has to trump form.
I have the Favero Assioma road pedals. The highest priority for me is a power meter. I will swap the Assioma spindle to the Xpedo Ti pedals. I will let you know my experience. Thanks, enjoy your channel. On another topic: Coronavirus: Stay away from crowds. Wearing a mask is controversial but probably would if you are around many people at work.
Super Strada cheers!
get to work from home until this settles down luckily.
Keep up your amazing video edits, RoJ! Why not Shimano Ultegra level PD-ES600 for the same SM-SH51 cleats used in MTB models? I haven't tried them (yet), but theoretically they should offer the same reliability and clip in/out experience while ~35g lighter, lower profile, likely same stack and significantly cheaper. Dual side action is not as important on gravel as it is in MTB, no? bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/ultegra-r8000/PD-ES600.html
Cheers mate!
I know, but I want dual sided pedals.
Can always get Ti spindles to lower the weight by around 50gr
Shimano pedals have cone bearings. Titanium spindles are unfortunately precious scrap because titanium is too soft. The titanium cone bearings are run in after a very short time.
Has anybody ever tried to remove the clips from one side of an SPD pedal? Should save a few grams and should be workable if you don't have to unclip many times during a ride.
Shimano already makes one-sided spd’s that are both lighter and cheaper then XTRs (PD-A600)
Avoid xtr 9100 if you can, mine keep having the spindle seal coming out, the issue is pretty wide spread
I keep hearing those comments as well... however mine is still without issues after ~6000km
Mine have the same problem. I'm still not sure how I'll replace them. I think I'll go for another pair of 9100's
Do you have any updates? I've heard from many riders with this sealing problems, the same with the PD-M9120 Trailversion and the older PD-M9000. In Europe, many web shops currently have delivery times until May with the XTR pedals. I hope Shimano brings out a revisited version.
I also have the Xpedos, but the function and durability is just not the same as with Shimanos. I'm interested in the version with the 3 mm shorter axle and because of the lower height for the PD-M9100 for my new XC bike. On my old bike from 2002 I have the XTR 959 pedals. Work like on the first day! As an alternative, I'll try the Look X-Track Race Carbon Ti, unfortunately also delivery time until June. Corona sucks!
By the way, love your channel!
First like than coment and after that watching the video 😂 love your content and cant wait for more stuff.
Im lucky this year i got the big bike train back and a cheap train tiket for Austria, because im Student 😍 so many rides will come
Just make sure you go to the loo before every ride... job done (no pun intended)
Did you get the 52mm or 55mm spindle?
Lih Chen 55mm
I have those xtr race too
I'd love to see some bike packing videos. Not much into the light weight stuff.
It was only a matter of time, now are you going to get a lighter frame to shave off more grams xD
I love your videos! I've been so sad not seeing one for so many weeks, but I'd rather see great content like this than filler just to get a video out there. Knowing what you're switching on your bike is always interesting!
Cheers! 🙏
a 9 of clubs and a 4 of spades together with a 2 of hearts may weigh less than 4 aces but i know which id prefer to have
Why not go with Eggbeaters?
Sickbiker's video and his conclusion were wrong. He said, that the higher the pedal stack, the bigger the radius you spin (effective crank length). But it's totally wrong. Higher pedal stack doesnt change your effective crank length, it only elevates your foot at all points of the spinning circle. So to overcome your pedal stack height you only have to adjust your saddle height. It's obvious to see if you'll draw it
I didn't watch the video, but is that the conclusion he made? So that means a stack height of a ridiculous 1m, and he thinks your pedalling diameter would increase by 1m? 😄
@@MrBJPitt yap. or I did understand the video wrong:)
@@MrBJPitt ua-cam.com/video/qWlzr4zXp3Q/v-deo.html
They weights less than my super light plastic flat pedals. Yea thats a difficult decision right there.
I bet they don’t even announce new dura ace this year. Since they just bought pioneer’s power meters, we won’t see it until the can build a working power meter for 9200 to avoid the debacle of the 9100 power meter.
In my book, feel is more important than weight. Take a 175 lb. rider and add bike, kit, tools, spares, and water, and you have a system weight of 200 lbs. Add 1 lb. (455g) and it only adds 0.5% to the overall weight. On a 10 minute climb, that pound only costs 3 seconds. For a 200W rider, it’s a cost of just 1W. On the flat, it costs even less.
Sure, save the weight for racing, PB attempts, and for our egos that want to claim the best numbers. (A 14.9 lb. bike is WAY cooler than a 15.0 lb. bike, right?)
Don’t get me wrong. I love picking up a super-light bike - with empty bottle cages, no tools, no lights, and no GPS. But I don’t really experience the ride differently before and after I empty a 1.5L (3.3 lb.!) bidon. But I definitely notice squeaky pedals, creaking bottom brackets, flimsy cranksets with rubbing chain rings, an uncomfortable saddle, etc. So yeah, make the bike light, but not with the sacrifice of the riding experience and safety.
BTW, I love the idea of a super-optimized, lightweight, PB setup along with a reliable, great feeling, all-day setup. It’s the best of both worlds. But let’s be honest, the PB bike is for ego (nothing wrong with that!) and the all-day bike is for enjoyable riding experiences. N+1 = 2?
@@JonFairhurst Rolling resistance and aero are more important than every last pound. Drop from a Panaracer GK 37mm to Conti 5000 TL and you're saving at least 12W!
@Jonathan Zappala - Regarding Dura Ace 9200 (?), you can be assured that Shimano will take action. It’s an Olympic year, and the 2020 Games are in Tokyo. As a Japanese company, Shimano is sure to bring new technology to the sport in time to qualify and compete in the late July/early August events.
EditioCastigata - Of course, it’s aero on the flats, weight on the climbs, and rolling resistance everywhere. Not to mention power everywhere!
Ok XTR it is - great vid - thanks
Great video! Are you thinking of trying ti spindles on the xtr?
So you didn’t watch the whole video did you? 😉
@@ridesofjapan I have to finish watching, I was eating Breakfast with the kids :)
switch the pedals to KCNC XC Trap-Ti, 240grams & they're pretty much shimano clones.
The KCNC Titanium stuff is a lot more affordable then competitors & it's pretty solid.
How are they holding up?
eggbeaters all I use 220lbs never had a problem and you could ride 11s
I come from the mountain bike world.... XTR is fine by me. I have regular SPD's on my road bike.