I love how during the verses it sounds edgy, dark, brutish, all the above. But during the chorus it sounds sadder and more tragic. Like a glimps of character development infinite could’ve gotten instead of what we got.
Infinite seemed like a good character at first but then you play Shadow's story where you find out that he's just some pissed off kid who had a temper tantrum because the other emo kid called him a name. Btw nice profile pic.
I feel for Infinite, he is like Mephiles. They both got their butts kicked by Shadow, I think both of them still have amazing potential, I wouldn't mind at all to see them both again. Infinite's song is pretty tragic because he wanted to be strong, when reality struck him he felt lost immediately. "Edgelord" or not him, Mephiles, and Shadow all deserve much better. Shadow had a dark past, Mephiles was into power because he lost his counterpart, Iblis, and was filled with rage, and Infinite has a bruised ego after believing he could conquer all. That's just me though
So much freaking depth here. This song paints Infinite as a tortured soul since birth and the pain turns him into this crazy being of rage and vengeance. Meanwhile, Infinite’s real story; *SHADOW CALLED ME WEAK SO NOW IM A BEING OF PURE DEATH*
Honestly? People paint it as stupid but imo I feel it was a badly executed idea. Infinite clearly had an inferiority complex, Shadow tapped into it and infinite couldn't tolerate the idea of not only finding someone stronger but also getting mocked because of it, all it takes for someone like that is one bad scenario to grow huge amounts of resentment and jealousy that can lead up to horrible actions (some people get humbled, others enter a void of self hatred) Infinite's motives weren't stupid, just executed badly thanks to Sonic team's awful writing for this game and overall bad decisions.
I think they should've made it to where Infinite was kidnapped by Eggman and forcefully taken on the power of the Phantom Ruby. And the Ruby tortures his mind and keeps him in his state of evil along with Eggman brainwashing him. That could set the stage for a second forces where everyone tries to save Infinite from the imprisonment of the Phantom Ruby.
Let's remember Mephiles the Dark... Yes, we don't want to, nevermind. 2022 Edit: So funny that so much people are still trying to argue that Mephiles or whatever is his name is "better than X or better than Y" Guys, i'm not a sonic player, you're loosing your time lmao Edit 2024: i finally played 06 (modded), and yes, Mephiles is a good vilain, but you can't change my mind about how "Mephiles the Dark" is a edgy stupid name.
He can't actually mess with reality. He messes with people's *perception* of reality, aka he fucks with their senses. It's like the Reality Stone, from Marvel. It does have SOME reality warping abilities, but they are mostly to do with Null Space and creating the Hardlight Illusion Clones.
@@DerpaTure9503 I'm not so sure about that, in the comic you see chaos attacking silver and knuckles, his water attack does hit them hard and makes them wet. I dont think illusions can affect physical bodies like that
No I mean like they made a dark side of the story like in Sonic Adventure 2 where we play as the bad guys like Zero/Infinite, Eggman, Metal Sonic, and Zavok.
@@fatalwaffle1715 That'd be pretty lame and would make him even more of a pointless character. Because at that point, he's literally just Shadow 2. At least if he stays bad and whatnot, he's at least Shadow if he never became good which is some cool insight. Would love for him to still return in more games in the future though (as long as there are actual writers writing him)
Infinite: this pain persist, i can't resist, but that's what it takes to be infinite Find your flame: to become everything you're not, you just give all you got it and take a pleasure with the pain Infinite: it's only me and you Find your flame: in the end it's you and your friends Infinite: you're at your lowest Find your flame: i'm here to go beyond my limit Infinite: i found in the ashes what youbloose in the fire Find your flame: you will find your flame
@@Hollow_Tim no he"s right or more of the opposite his names was always dr ivo robotnik we just called him eggman in english or at least thats his original name
Infinite is honestly a pretty genius character. He's a typical edgelord villain...AND THAT'S THE POINT. His character explores the entire concept and what turns someone into that, and how sad and lonely that would make someone. This song isn't just him boasting, it's him trying to convince himself that he's actually as powerful as he claims he is. But deep down he knows he's pathetic. His power is artificial, and he lacks the ability to use it to even a fraction of its real potential; this is why the main thing Infinite does is make clones of older Sonic villains (including the guy who kicked his ass). And in the end? Eggman throws him aside, takes the Phantom Ruby, and instantly becomes infinitely (pun intended) more dangerous than Infinite ever was with it. Then the poor jackal gets discarded like a failed robot. In the end, Infinite is no different than a Motobug or a Buzzbomber; he's served his purpose, and now he's been discontinued.
I've been saying this! People want him to be brainwashed, corrupted, etc, when his self worth being conditioned to him being the strongest all time is sad in itself! Sometimes the lies people tell to themselves are what drives them to villainy, not forces outside their control
This is honestly such a cool song and it *infuriates* me when Infinite could've been so much more, he could've been one of the best villains in the series but instead was ruined by bad writing.
The woes of the writers for the games playing it super safe. Now if Ian Flynn, the guy behind the Sonic comics for so many years was in charge of the writing for the games, that would be awesome.
Honestly, I think that a more comedic version of Infinite could work in a Sonic Boom- type TV show. Like, he's a guy who tries way too hard to look cool and intimidating, and in the process, he makes himself look like a total goofball. For instance: "Family. Just another illusion. All you can do is look out for yourself." (Infinite gets a phone call.) "Oh, uh....a call from my allies in darkness! (Turns away from the heroes, in a frustrated whisper) Mom, come on! I'm kinda busy here!" Just something I wanted to get off my chest tbh.
That actually does sound funny. Though now that we Ian Flynn worked on Frontiers and pretty much set the standards of how Sonic characters should be written, if they brought back Infinite again with Ian Flynn taking care of the writing, I am positive he could actually make him an actually interesting character.
@Armstrong Gaming not the lyrics, the lyrics are okay. They just are too edgier then the end of a knife. Considering Sonic games haven't had the best writing in a couple of decades Frontiers could either be one of the games that'll get new players or it'll just be another dumpster fire
“This pain persists. I can’t resist.” Come on, how does that NOT sound like someone who’s been brainwashed or forced into doing something against his will? If only Sega went with that option, would’ve been a much more compelling story.
I honestly think that describes Infinite in a nutshell. Everything about this character seems meant to take every overused/negative stereotype of Sonic fandom OCs and put them into one character. The whole character design is played so over the top that it just works.
@@fictionfan0 I think Shadow was already at the sweet spot where edginess works. Infinite seems like he's trying to be Shadow 2.0 Plus, and that just pushes him into tryhard territory.
Best verse for me personally has to be: "And after all this time, you're back for more. _(I won't stop until they know my name.)_ So I'll take what's mine, and start this war. _(I'm coming at you like a tidal wave.)_ " And the part at 2:59 because it sounds so calm, but still edgy and awesome.
When someone falls on the rock climbing wall and you want to tell then you're beating them. Ok, fine, I'm sorry. That was stupid... I'm still posting it.
Sonic In The Second Last Infinite Battle: "My Friends Got Me This Far, And Together Were Gonna WIN! OOOHHH FORGOT WHY I WAS TYPING FOR A SEC... OOPS OK ON WITH THE SHOW!! *Continues Comment* Soooo.. Back to what my reaction would be if infinite asked me that: IS TAILS OK?! OMG IS TAILS OK?! *Sees Tails with multiple deep wounds* *Screams So Loud That The Phantom Ruby Almost Shatters* WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY LITTLE BROTHER YOU JERK?!!!!!!! *Fire Burns In Eyes* DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FLIP YOU'VE DONE, YOU JERK?!!! YOU MESS WITH MY BRO,...... YOU JUST CROSSED THE FLIPPING LINE!!! YOUR WORSE THEN EGGMAN!!! *Softly In Tails's Ear* Tails... I Loved You As A Sister.. And In.. Y'know.. The Other Way.. I LOVE YOU.. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH! YOU CAN'T LEAVE ME LIL BRO! I NEED YOU!! PLEASE! NO... *Cries* SONIC.. HELP US.... *Screams At Infinite So Loud Tails Almost Wakes Up* WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME? I LOVED HIM DANG IT.. I LOVED HIM!!! AND IN RESPONSE YOU TRY TO KILL A FLIPPING 8-YEAR-OLD FOX THAT I WAS IN LOVE WITH? NOT IN MY WORLD!! THAT.. IS NOT.. HOW. WE. DO. THINGS. DOWNTOWN!!! *SCREAMS IN RAGE AND GRIEF AND GOES DARK ON INFINITE* Tails: * Wakes Up* ANGEL!! I LOVE YOU TOO!!! DON'T DO THIS!! PLEASE DON'T.. ANGEL I LOVE YOU TOO!!!! Angel (My Name): *About To Kill Infinite When Hears Tails's Voice* ....Could it be?... *Turns Head* TAILS! GET OUT OF HERE! ITS TO DANGE- Tails: *Jumps Up And Kisses Me* I'm Leaving Your Side As Long As I'm Breathing!! Angel: ....*Thinking* ...DID TAILS JUST KISS ME?! OMG TAILS JUST KISSED ME!! YAY!! *Back To Real World* ....YOU KISSED ME! Tails:...Heh..I Did Didn't I? Infinite: GET A ROOM LOVEBIRDS!! OR WILL YA COME FIGHT ME?! Me And Tails: SHUT UP DUDE!! Me: Ready Pal? Tails: If I'm With You, I'll Always Be Ready! Me: *Blush Intensifies* ....LETS GO! *6 Minutes Later* Me:....WE DID IT!! WOO-HOO!! Tails: IT WAS AWESOME!! Me: You Did Most Of The Work! Tails: *Blushes* LETS GO GET CILLIGOGS!! Me: YA!!! CILLIDOGS!! THE END
How the fûck are they able to make Í̷̡̯̯̦̣͚̼̤̏̂̿̔̒͝ͅn̵̨̫̠̝̔̐f̵̘͍͉͋́̎̃̐̽͗͠i̴̧̲͆̊̅͊́͌͆̆n̷͙̱͚̭͖͖̙̯̝̓̏̉̔̇̓̽̚̚ḯ̵̧̧̺͔̬̕̚ẗ̸̡̗͈̟͉́̿̇̾͐̇͝ͅe̸̤̬̫͙͈̫͎͖̤̼͗̋͛͊͑ more threatening in a mobile game spinoff than the main game itself?
If ur talking abt Sonic forces speeeed batle,i agree Í̷̡̯̯̦̣͚̼̤̏̂̿̔̒͝ͅn̵̨̫̠̝̔̐f̵̘͍͉͋́̎̃̐̽͗͠i̴̧̲͆̊̅͊́͌͆̆n̷͙̱͚̭͖͖̙̯̝̓̏̉̔̇̓̽̚̚ḯ̵̧̧̺͔̬̕̚ẗ̸̡̗͈̟͉́̿̇̾͐̇͝ͅe̸̤̬̫͙͈̫͎͖̤̼͗̋͛͊͑ is just SUPER DUPER threating
CRAZY GREG FILMS I haven't played Forces yet, but who knows? Maybe it's gonna be like Silver, a character with a rough debut due to the first game he appears in, but gets better in future titles.
I don't see it, Silver was a good guy, which meant he would most likely return for future games. I find Infinite similar to Mephiles; an edgelord bad guy who doesn't at any point side with the good guys (unlike a certain other edgelord) meaning he doesn't have a reason to come back unless they decide to use him for crossover or fighting games if they ever produce any. Not to mention that Eggman is the staple villain and everything comes back to him anyway. There is a chance he'll come back though, but only because people find him hilariously edgy and make memes about him. Judging by what they added into Sonic Forces (Sanic shirt) it's far more likely than any other reason.
CRAZY GREG FILMS Agreed! But you never know, Infinite may be alive but not well. Also I feel like Infinite should have betrayed “Baldy McNosehair”. What a waste of an opportunity that should have been taken.
CRAZY GREG FILMS Eeeh, it's debatable on whether he's a great character. He was basically edgy for the sake of being edgy, at least Shadow had a legitimate reason for being edgy. Infinite? He and his team got their as skilled by Shadow, and considering how Shadow is, and who he works for? His team is likely alive, albeit maybe captured. So all the reason Infinite has is a wounded pride.
The tragedy of Infinite: He lost everything, and had only power left. Yet even his power was merely an illusion. The one most fooled by that illusion? It wasn't the heroes. It was its wielder.
@@nourdjaoui3214 believe me, I’ve even found cringey x reader fanfics where he is well written. the people who are bothered by his writing seem determined to turn him into a decent if not great character
Think how much cooler it would have been if Infinite used his power to infiltrate the Resistance. The player wouldn't have been able to tell which friends were real and which one were impostors. One of the big reveals could have been one of the pillars of the Resistance (such as Knuckles) being a Phantom Ruby copy all along, causing them to fail in a crucial moment. That would have been such a cool use for the character. But no. All we get is a few rehashed villains as copies, half of which are defeated in cutscenes.
That would have required a lot more thinking on Sega's part, and a much longer development time. Unfortunately, they don't seem to think 3D Sonic games through very often.
It would of been cool if we got boss fights for each of the copies including some more things like for example when the shadow copy goes to attack sonic and shadow interjects we could of played as him against the shadow copy and as the fight goes on he gets flashbacks to the shadow androids which lead to flashbacks involving black doom mephiles and eventually Maria but we notice each of these have a phantom tint to it shadow realizing this knows it’s not real and breaks through and we get a cutscene where he defeats the shadow copy The chaos fights first half could involve tails fighting chaos while having flashbacks to adventure and the second half involves playing as classic sonic
Yeah, there was so much they could have done with Forces' story. No decent explanation for Infinite's origins and motivations (even the prequel comic didn't offer much), plus the game should have had a montage or something showing Dr. Eggman's conquest of the world with Infinite's theme playing over it. That would have been sweet!
I love how the verse is super edgy and open to telling you how tough I am, but when you get to the chorus, you get to see how much pain he's actually in and how he feels like he has to go through it to gain more power. Infinite is such a complex character with more depth than people think At least, he would've been if Sonic Team made him more than a one sided villain. The potential we lost here is really sad
One of many Villain song that COULD have worked, if the character in question had been written better. Or at least had a backstory that made the lyrics more appropriate
I think this song works brilliantly for Infinite. It's full of overconfidence, asserting himself as the best. That's basically his story, he's a competent guy with a massive ego. When he gets his ass beat, he refuses to accept it and his ego pushes him to seek superior power as a way to overcome his failure. So that he alone is the strongest. It contrasts with the rookie, who gets a beatdown by Infinite, but instead of being consumed by his failure, he recognises his limitations and seeks help from others. In the end, it's revealed that the Phantom Ruby controls illusions, Infinite was deluding himself the whole time and even his alliance with Eggman was an illusion. His ego and confidence controlled him and it drives this song too.
I really feel like Forces has taken a ton of really good concepts but executed them in a sub-par manner. The aspect of the story that falls most harshly to this boring writing is the villain. Infinite had so much potential, a great design and an interesting air about him, and if they fleshed out his backstory and gave him a reason and motivation besides supposedly being “weak” he could even have been a character that could be sympathized with. I honestly think if they emphasized the loss of his squad and gave him a sort of revenge complex for what was basically his family being taken from him he would have a good motivation and backstory. And imagine if instead of being just the source of his power, the phantom ruby slowly corrupted him more and more until he completely lost even that motivation and turned into a mindless, angry killing machine that fell victim to his own all consuming revenge. I honestly think about Infinite a lot, they did him dirty even in his first appearance. I have too many projects but each time I find myself listening to this song I really can’t help but think about doing a complete rewrite of Forces and changing a lot of major things just to see how great the story could have been. War always makes for compelling narratives, and it never leaves anything unscathed. Perhaps the general disappointment in this narrative stems from all of these dramatic events occurring and characters only being marginally affected. I honestly think if SEGA wasn’t ready to have a truly dark story and had to pull their punches, a war of this immense scale likely wasn’t the best idea. Could’ve been great, if they took their good ideas and actually ran with them. Thanks for listening to my rant if you got this far hahaha
I’ve thought about rewriting Sonic Forces too (give Sonic some PTSD, make infinite more interesting, etc) so you’re not the only one lol Also giving the avatar a more meaningful part in the story. I love the idea of Infinite being on a revenge quest and getting corrupted by the Phantom Ruby. It’d be interesting because the avatar also uses a phantom ruby so I think it’d be fascinating to see your own character have to resist the same corruption
@@georgerobins4110 That awkward moment when the fans can come up with a 110% better concept/concepts than Sega themselves. I'd love to see *ALL* of this!
I mean, a villain motivated by insecurity really isn't anything new in fiction. I think real issue, that people don't want acknowledge, with infnite is that he looses a lot.
The way u described the sub par manner of the way forces was executed just reminds me of my rant about dragon ball gt. So many amazing ideas and concepts on paper but the execution just made it hated by a lot of the community
Considering he was a slightly above average individual in his universe, he got kicked in the face by someone with leg strength comparable to Sonic... He shouldn't have survived. Also, Episode Shadow doesn't even give all the information, and MANY people seem to forget it implied Shadow brutally murdered his entire squad of soldiers. In real life small squads of soldiers tend to bond extremely extensively and would risk their lives for each other, that fact alone would mean that 'Infinite' (Not even his Real name fyi) literally lost all of his friends to Shadow, one of Sonic's Friends/Rivals just because they'd run out of luck on this one job. If anything, he had a right to be this angry with Shadow, and Eggman capitalized on his hunger for the power to level Shadow by offering the Phantom Ruby. The only catch was that 'Infinite' would have to help him defeat Sonic for that power, hence why he was submitting to the fatso. He was actually somewhat honorable by upholding his end of the deal unlike a lot of other things Eggman has gotten involved with. That was probably part of the reason he almost won in Forces. Their arrogance was the only reason they actually lost in the end.
BTW, they were not a patriotic platoon, they were mercenaries, who emphasize emotional detachment, since they rotate team mates quite often and are in the fight for selfish reasons.
@@faded9581, the problem with your argument is that if Infinite had not cared about his squad, he wouldn't have convinced them to work for Eggman alongside him. He'd have simply killed them himself, to test his new powers.
When this song first got released I thought it was hilarious and couldn't stop laughing out of bewildered disbelief cause I couldn't believe they actually went this far with it, I honestly respected them for going so hard into the "edgy" angle for this song. I've looped back around to unironically loving this song, stupid lyrics and all, Jun goes as hard as he always does on the backing guitars and Tyler and Andy are REALLY good vocalists, it's honestly such a banger It's like a time capsule back to my days on UA-cam in 2008 it's really something incredible
they aren't stupid lyrics, it's just a normal song of this kind, it's like expressing raw feelings can't be done without being called edgy nowadays lmao
That’s the point I’ll admit I’m ugly like your worlds dream I’m which we can’t see because dream also wears a mask people wear masks because they think their ugly or they are ugly like me so the point is you’ll never see the likes of my face no matter what
Y'know, the song explains Infinite's character, really. "You are at your lowest, I'm rising higher. Only scars remain of who I was" "This is an illusion, open up your eyes" He's a guy with a very twisted view on the world, at the same time, he sees it for what it can be. Scary, unforgiving. Why they didn't do anything with him in the game, I have no idea.
Honestly hope that Sonic Team uses Infinite again in the next Sonic game. It would be great to expand off of what they tried to do with him, and actually give him more CHARACTER and MOTIVATION. That’s what I hope at least, I’ve always liked his design.
Whatever they do with him, I would want him to stay just as exaggerated as he is now. Some of the shit that comes out of Infinite's mouth is hilarious, reminds me a little bit of Gundham from Danganronpa.
@@mervanaydin3619if infinite had good writing he'll be very very powerful but he was put in a bad game with bad writing and we'll probably never see him again
"Machine, I will cut you down" "Make you apart!" "SPLAY THE GORE OF YOUR PRFANE FORM ACROSS THE STARS!" "I WILL GRIND YOU DOWN UNTIL THE VERY SPARKS! CRY FOR MERCY!" "MY HANDS SHALL RELISH ENDING YOU!" "HERE!" "AND!" "NOW!" - Said by an angel that was throwing tantrum
Sonic: Do you like long walks in the beach? Infinite: No. Sonic: What is your favorite color? Infinite: Red. Sonic: What is the source of your power? Infinite: Dis Swag
Sega Team when drafting final fight with Infinite *Sonic Forces Spoilers* "OK, how should his third battle go like?" "We are running out of time, even though we had 3 years to do this. Which is the reason we had to cut the Classic Sonic VS Chaos 0 fight." "Then just rehash Metal Sonic's boss fight and jump the difficulty by 0.5%." "Then we don't even have 30 main levels." "Um... Then let's make the true final boss be Eggman with a robotic spider!"
They really did, I was disappointing by the backstory they gave him, but there's nothing we can do now.... except fanfics because that's a thing. I liked the theories about Infinite far more than his actual story (I don't hate Infinite, not at all, his concept is cool)
Dragon Lich Queen I️ mean if you look more into it the backstory can be summarized as this ‘Infinite is a mercenary who’s only family is his squad of jackals he leads, they are very close and would die to save another, while raiding eggmans base he realized his squad was captured and would be killed unless he joined eggman, he decided he would help eggman and they were assigned a mission to stop shadow who broke into the base, his squad attempted to stop him but were all killed by shadow with infinite trying to contact them before realizing their fates...enraged he goes to fight shadow on his own no back up from the egg pawns or any other machines just to avenge his friends, shadow seeing him dodged his attack and nearly killed him leaving him with nothing but insanity and one desire, to destroy anything in his way of defeating shadow, everything he knew has come and gone and only scars remain of who he was, there was nothing left to carry on and his pain persisted until eggman showed him the phantom ruby he couldn’t resist its power and became infinite forgetting his past forgetting who he once was with the only thing keeping him going was the idea that he could finally seek vengeance on shadow’ yea I️ looked way to into the lore
@@edgar_eats_pi you can’t blame me I thought the song belong to shadow then I find out that there was a whole new character that I didn’t know about that really showed a lot of emotion in his destruction 😂😅
Except we never actually see Infinite die. Instead, we see him get *absorbed* into the Phantom Ruby, which flies off into the distance. This implies that Infinite may be able to make a comeback, in another game, because he wasn't actually destroyed, just defeated and humbled.
Soma Cruz the Demigod of Balance may be a year ago but fuck it, that could be a way to bring back ANOTHER certain sonic villain who actually defeated sonic and nearly murdered everybody (cough) mephiles other wise known as the best sonic villain (cough) what they could do is explain that the ruby infinite used was the form mephiles took after 06 he was able to escape the endless void which was the dead 06 universe through generations due to the time travel and took in the form of the phantom ruby, this could explain then why null space is a mix of black and purple similar to the color of mephiles’s attacks and what could happen is in the next game infinite appears in he is the ‘main’ villain with mephiles being the puppet master lets just say the infinite we see in the game being nothing more than an un conscious puppet being controlled by a more powerful entity infinite could take on a new look with the mask being similar to the masks the giant liquidy infinite’s wore in the avatar metropolis stage but with a massive crack in it from the battle between sonic and the avatar
I have only heard this song twice but I love it to bits, for 3 reasons. 1: The music is absolutely incredible. 2: The lyrics are so gosh darn well-written. 3: It really gives you a feel for what Infinite has been through and sort of makes me feel so sorry for the dude.😔
@@CapitalTeeth yeah?What will you do after your whole team got killed brutally and you had your ass handed to you and you can't do shit about any of it?
If only Infinite was as threatening in the main game as he is in Speed Battle. Seriously, he's like the Brawl Meta Knight of the game in terms of how OP he is.
the lyrics of this song honestly make it sound like infinite is immortal and has lived so long that everything and everyone he knew or cared about has died off time and time again, so he now wants to wipe out all life as he believes there's no point to it existing in the first place.
Burning Bridge Studios. Opinion and Fact are totally different. Also, I feel that if SEGA really tried, they could do some great things regarding Infinite.
@@dragorespillerofblood4884 Plus, "When everything you know has come and gone" might be referring to when Shadow attacked and killed his squad, then beat him effortlessly. His team is gone, his pride is shattered because he sees that he could do absolutely nothing against Shadow. Being thought of as the best only to get taken out so easily must be quite a shock. It felt like he was left with nothing.
Infinite came and went with a whimper. But I still kind of hope this isn't the end of him. He deserves another chance. If Zavok gets to come back then so should he.
@@TheRealJochen well, i mean…even back in his debut, he was a super-serious, all-black, brooding, dark guy with red eyeshadow-like highlights and a generally detached attitude, as well a penchant for saying “hmph” all the time. kinda like a grumpy teenager haha. he literally taught me what edgy meant from sa2 lol. not that there’s anything wrong with it tho
Came back here to compare this because of “Find Your Flame” being somewhat similar. They have similar lyrics in some parts, but it’s as if find your flame has the opposite tone of this, because it’s more uplifting.
Best villain song ever. If you told me this was a cover of an unfinished Linkin Park track, i would have believed you. this is NOT butt-rock, this is quality.
This song is still my favourite villain theme in any media to date. This is what I get when I hear this song. Infinite is a mercenary humiliated by Shadow, and now has become a monster blinded by power, bloodshed and vengeance. He went through hell to get the power he has, nearly insane from the constant pain he is in. He will not stop until he destroys everyone sonic and his friends ever knew, and then he will kill them. I imagine being in the final boss fight that will never be, between super Sonic and a fully powered Infinite (Phantom Infinite). Infinite has pulled everyone into null space. Sonic has to break the phantom ruby before Infinite traps them in forever. That is why some of the lines in this song refer to “This is an illusion, open up you eyes and...” “Look around you and tell me what you really see”, implying that this is a world where Infinite holds all the cards and can control everything. I regret the lost potential Infinite could have brought.
This is now up there for me with ‘Alicorn’ from Ace Combat 7 (Captain Torres of the Submarine Alicorn wants to nuke 1 million people to end a war) and ‘Collective Conscious’ from MGRR (literally just media bad but it goes fucking hard)
I know infinites motivation was kind of shallow, but to me, that’s the point. He’s a shallow, immature character, set off by getting called weak after shadow beat him up, and that honestly makes it all the more believable. A levelheaded, mature person wouldn’t normally become a villain. But if you give a childish person (infinite) the power of a god (phantom ruby), they’re gonna go on a power trip and see themself as unstoppable. Infinites immaturity is what makes him such a threat because he’ll never willingly stop and is likely to try to kill anyone who tries to get him to, and his immaturity is ultimately his downfall because he fails to realize that other people can be just as powerful if not more so than him.
"Machine, i will cut you down,break you apart,splay the gore of your profane form across the stars! I will grind you until the very sparks cry for mercy! My hands should RELISH YOU,HERE AND NOW!"
Machine, I will cut you down. Break you apart. Splay the gore of your profane form across the stars! I will grind you down until the very sparks cry out for mercy! My hands shall relish ending you.... *HERE! AND! NOW!!!*
Bro he could’ve had lots of potential, and a good backstory that isn’t “I got scars from Shadow and now I’m emo.” He could’ve solo’d the Sonic cast. He murdered like 4 people and spared the Rookie. He only died to plot armor and horrible storylines
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I love how during the verses it sounds edgy, dark, brutish, all the above. But during the chorus it sounds sadder and more tragic. Like a glimps of character development infinite could’ve gotten instead of what we got.
Infinite seemed like a good character at first but then you play Shadow's story where you find out that he's just some pissed off kid who had a temper tantrum because the other emo kid called him a name.
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@@Ollie.H-23
Literally, the game could have been avoided had Shadow *NOT* been the emo kid trying to one-up the quiet kid...
I feel for Infinite, he is like Mephiles. They both got their butts kicked by Shadow, I think both of them still have amazing potential, I wouldn't mind at all to see them both again. Infinite's song is pretty tragic because he wanted to be strong, when reality struck him he felt lost immediately. "Edgelord" or not him, Mephiles, and Shadow all deserve much better. Shadow had a dark past, Mephiles was into power because he lost his counterpart, Iblis, and was filled with rage, and Infinite has a bruised ego after believing he could conquer all. That's just me though
Fun fact: if you search up 'edgelord theme' the first thing to pop up, is Theme of Infinite.
CONFIRMED!
Ok
Actually its a list of video game edgelords
Nice
This I can confirm 😂
Is this song edgy?
Yes.
Is this song still a banger?
YES!
@@killerbryne This is not cheesy its a great song
481 likes and only 1 comment, interesting
incredible song, terrible ( in bad sense ) game
If You search edgiest song this will appear lmao
@@4tarii I tried it and you're right lmao!
So much freaking depth here. This song paints Infinite as a tortured soul since birth and the pain turns him into this crazy being of rage and vengeance. Meanwhile, Infinite’s real story;
*SHADOW CALLED ME WEAK SO NOW IM A BEING OF PURE DEATH*
Honestly? People paint it as stupid but imo I feel it was a badly executed idea. Infinite clearly had an inferiority complex, Shadow tapped into it and infinite couldn't tolerate the idea of not only finding someone stronger but also getting mocked because of it, all it takes for someone like that is one bad scenario to grow huge amounts of resentment and jealousy that can lead up to horrible actions (some people get humbled, others enter a void of self hatred)
Infinite's motives weren't stupid, just executed badly thanks to Sonic team's awful writing for this game and overall bad decisions.
I think they should've made it to where Infinite was kidnapped by Eggman and forcefully taken on the power of the Phantom Ruby. And the Ruby tortures his mind and keeps him in his state of evil along with Eggman brainwashing him. That could set the stage for a second forces where everyone tries to save Infinite from the imprisonment of the Phantom Ruby.
@@emmanueldavis1872 this would mean that the only absolute evil is Mephiles, which is kinda cool
Ikr
I wish they just remade Infinite and his backstory. I mean, I would've made a much better fitting backstory.
I’m tallest of mountains = Zavok
I’m the roughest of waves = Chaos
I’m the thoughest of terrors = Metal Sonic
I’m the darkest of days = Shadow
USD lol
Sonic: i live a lie :'v
Finally someone understands
Good observation skills! I’m impressed! 😊
I am the sharpest of blades - his sword from the days of being leader of the Jackal Squad.
I am convinced that the Sonic franchise is kept alive almost entirely by these songs that slap harder than an abusive parent
Jesus fuck, man 😳
You’re not wrong…
Not only parents are abusive
That parent just happens to be sonic team
JESUS FUCK THIS COMMENT IS AWESOME!
Each new Sonic enemy is more edgy than the last. The next enemy will be called "Darkness the Pain"
Ooh, duo? Also, would we get to fight Rough and Tumble in a game?
Darkness the Pain-hog?
Let's remember Mephiles the Dark... Yes, we don't want to, nevermind.
2022 Edit: So funny that so much people are still trying to argue that Mephiles or whatever is his name is "better than X or better than Y"
Guys, i'm not a sonic player, you're loosing your time lmao
Edit 2024: i finally played 06 (modded), and yes, Mephiles is a good vilain, but you can't change my mind about how "Mephiles the Dark" is a edgy stupid name.
Sonic vs Virgil
Sonic 06 part 2 final boss
I did NOT expect Sonic Frontiers to lead me back HERE of all places... Anyone else?
If you've made it to world 3, you know EXACTLY what I mean.
Same
Was this the🔥 we were meant to find?
Ahh yes,the Find your Infinity mashup
And after all this time we're back for more...
IM HERE TO GO BEYOND MY LIMIT NOT TO COMPROMISE
Infinite: Can basically change reality into anything he wants
Sonic: runs fast
Who do you think shouldve won
He can't actually mess with reality. He messes with people's *perception* of reality, aka he fucks with their senses. It's like the Reality Stone, from Marvel. It does have SOME reality warping abilities, but they are mostly to do with Null Space and creating the Hardlight Illusion Clones.
@@SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance No, that's only applicable for phantom ruby prototypes. The real one can very well bend reality to the users will
infinite should have won
@@DerpaTure9503 I said, the real ruby can alter reality, but the prototype messes with others perceptions to make them see things
@@DerpaTure9503 I'm not so sure about that, in the comic you see chaos attacking silver and knuckles, his water attack does hit them hard and makes them wet. I dont think illusions can affect physical bodies like that
I will never be over Infinite's wasted potential. The song just showcases that.
What if they made Zero/Infinite The Jackal playable in Sonic Forces? And in future games?
@@fatalwaffle1715 you can recreate him to T(pretty much the same look)the character creator
No I mean like they made a dark side of the story like in Sonic Adventure 2 where we play as the bad guys like Zero/Infinite, Eggman, Metal Sonic, and Zavok.
@@fatalwaffle1715 That'd be pretty lame and would make him even more of a pointless character. Because at that point, he's literally just Shadow 2. At least if he stays bad and whatnot, he's at least Shadow if he never became good which is some cool insight. Would love for him to still return in more games in the future though (as long as there are actual writers writing him)
@@Freelancer837 that would Not make him pointless and that would not be Lame that would be cool and he's my favorite character.
Shadow's like the edgiest character, right? Then Infinite says:
- "Hold my cube. Watch out for the edges."
LOL
i cannot hold my laugh!!😂🤣
LOL ima LAUGH WHAT THE NEVER WATCHED SONIC FORCES
XD i agree
Infinite is the most edgy
Infinite: this pain persist, i can't resist, but that's what it takes to be infinite
Find your flame: to become everything you're not, you just give all you got it and take a pleasure with the pain
Infinite: it's only me and you
Find your flame: in the end it's you and your friends
Infinite: you're at your lowest
Find your flame: i'm here to go beyond my limit
Infinite: i found in the ashes what youbloose in the fire
Find your flame: you will find your flame
"It's like poetry, it rhymes" - George Lucas
"I have Mental Illness."
-Infinite 2024
P o e t r y
Who is gunna save you no-
*TOGETHER WE CAN SHOW THE WORLD WHAT WE CAN DO YOU ARE NEXT TO ME AND IM NEXT TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Who is gonna save you know?
*The guy that its all of him ;)*
DVETAL 77 LOL! XD
And that’s why you see infinite’s face in the sky at nights kids
XDDDdd
...
This theme comes from a franchise that started as a blue hedgehog saving his small animal friends from a doctor named eggman...wow.
Well excuuuuse me Dvniel, but his name wasn't Eggman just yet. It was Dr. Ivo Robotnik.
@@JustAguy006 ur right I can’t believe he forgot that very vital piece of information 0/10 😂
@@JustAguy006 Ermmmmm fake fan much? His name was always Eggman, they just called him Robotnik in the english games.
@@Hollow_Tim well I was just joking. Never meant to sound like I actually meant it.
@@Hollow_Tim no he"s right
or more of the opposite his names was always dr ivo robotnik we just called him eggman in english or at least thats his original name
I tried to set "Infinite" as my password, but it was too weak.
@@AriefPrasono Then he makes a whole tantrum about him being weak
*EMOTIONAL CRIT*
OH SNAP
The dislikes on this comment are Infinite's other accounts
@@finalseko But why would infinite dislike the music provided for him?
Infinite is honestly a pretty genius character.
He's a typical edgelord villain...AND THAT'S THE POINT. His character explores the entire concept and what turns someone into that, and how sad and lonely that would make someone. This song isn't just him boasting, it's him trying to convince himself that he's actually as powerful as he claims he is. But deep down he knows he's pathetic. His power is artificial, and he lacks the ability to use it to even a fraction of its real potential; this is why the main thing Infinite does is make clones of older Sonic villains (including the guy who kicked his ass).
And in the end? Eggman throws him aside, takes the Phantom Ruby, and instantly becomes infinitely (pun intended) more dangerous than Infinite ever was with it. Then the poor jackal gets discarded like a failed robot. In the end, Infinite is no different than a Motobug or a Buzzbomber; he's served his purpose, and now he's been discontinued.
If only they fleshed him out more
Damn
I've been saying this! People want him to be brainwashed, corrupted, etc, when his self worth being conditioned to him being the strongest all time is sad in itself! Sometimes the lies people tell to themselves are what drives them to villainy, not forces outside their control
Darkest of days -> Shadow
Sharpest of blades -> Metal
Tallest of mountains -> Zavok
Roughest of waves -> Chaos
Dangerous of weapon ---> erazor djinn
I think toughest of terrors refers to metal sonic.
@@werefox06 Darkest of Days Mephiles*
@@werefox06 Its okay xD
@@werefox06
Black darkness --> ligma
IM THE DARKEST OF THE DAYS
monday
When everything you know had come and gone
Sunday
*claps hands*
True (claps hands)
I HATE MONDAYS AND SUNDAYS I DONT KNOW WHY I JUST DO
infinite is monday
This is honestly such a cool song and it *infuriates* me when Infinite could've been so much more, he could've been one of the best villains in the series but instead was ruined by bad writing.
Honestly, this theme is perfect for him, if he's gonna be overly edgy why not go all out?
The woes of the writers for the games playing it super safe. Now if Ian Flynn, the guy behind the Sonic comics for so many years was in charge of the writing for the games, that would be awesome.
Or Evan Stanley, for that matter.
How much u wanna bet he might make an appearance in Sonic Rangers
@@JustJacy_ Haven't heard of that.
Honestly, I think that a more comedic version of Infinite could work in a Sonic Boom- type TV show.
Like, he's a guy who tries way too hard to look cool and intimidating, and in the process, he makes himself look like a total goofball.
For instance:
"Family. Just another illusion. All you can do is look out for yourself."
(Infinite gets a phone call.)
"Oh, uh....a call from my allies in darkness! (Turns away from the heroes, in a frustrated whisper) Mom, come on! I'm kinda busy here!"
Just something I wanted to get off my chest tbh.
ABSOLUTELYY xD
That actually does sound funny. Though now that we Ian Flynn worked on Frontiers and pretty much set the standards of how Sonic characters should be written, if they brought back Infinite again with Ian Flynn taking care of the writing, I am positive he could actually make him an actually interesting character.
And the edgiest part of his theme plays when he gets a phone call💀
Infinite is off limits for the comics :(
So, kinda like Dave the intern.
Despite all the memes and bad-talk about this theme, it’s actually quite good in my opinion, especially the main part.
Agreed the song slaps lol
This soundtrack and the soundtrack for Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06 and SA2 are my go to's
How is it bad? The melody is foot tapping and the singer nailed it!
@Armstrong Gaming not the lyrics, the lyrics are okay. They just are too edgier then the end of a knife. Considering Sonic games haven't had the best writing in a couple of decades Frontiers could either be one of the games that'll get new players or it'll just be another dumpster fire
@Armstrong Gaming oh okay!
“This pain persists. I can’t resist.”
Come on, how does that NOT sound like someone who’s been brainwashed or forced into doing something against his will?
If only Sega went with that option, would’ve been a much more compelling story.
*but they decided he is not weak*
*Let's fix infinite
You dont save a villain face by making another villain
Time to leave them all BEHIIIIND
@@eavyeavy2864 you don't have make a new villain just have Eggman be the reason for it
this is so ironically edgy that it loops back around to being actually pretty fucking sweet
or i'm 12, either or
I honestly think that describes Infinite in a nutshell. Everything about this character seems meant to take every overused/negative stereotype of Sonic fandom OCs and put them into one character. The whole character design is played so over the top that it just works.
@@fictionfan0
One year late, but well said.
Hey man in a way we're all 12... I mean if one can't enjoy the cheesiness of sonic one is truly not fun at parties.
@@fictionfan0 I think Shadow was already at the sweet spot where edginess works. Infinite seems like he's trying to be Shadow 2.0 Plus, and that just pushes him into tryhard territory.
Hclegend why you say f word
Best verse for me personally has to be:
"And after all this time,
you're back for more.
_(I won't stop until they know my name.)_
So I'll take what's mine,
and start this war.
_(I'm coming at you like a tidal wave.)_ "
And the part at 2:59 because it sounds so calm, but still edgy and awesome.
agreed! THATS ALSO MY FAVOURITE PART
The lines
"You're at You're lowest
I am rising Higher"
Can apply to a ton of things
kinky
When someone falls on the rock climbing wall and you want to tell then you're beating them.
Ok, fine, I'm sorry. That was stupid... I'm still posting it.
It's over Anakin, I have the high ground!
When your friend is in the basement but you are taking the elevator to the roof
When your friend is telling you not to snort the cocaine but you do it anyway
"who is gonna save you"
Me: myself * save the game *
Infinite: you weren't supposed to do that
creeper krazzy+ nice meme loophole XD
XD
surprised pikachu face intensifies
HAHAHHAHAHA
Sonic In The Second Last Infinite Battle: "My Friends Got Me This Far, And Together Were Gonna WIN!
OOOHHH FORGOT WHY I WAS TYPING FOR A SEC... OOPS OK ON WITH THE SHOW!! *Continues Comment* Soooo.. Back to what my reaction would be if infinite asked me that: IS TAILS OK?! OMG IS TAILS OK?! *Sees Tails with multiple deep wounds* *Screams So Loud That The Phantom Ruby Almost Shatters* WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY LITTLE BROTHER YOU JERK?!!!!!!! *Fire Burns In Eyes* DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FLIP YOU'VE DONE, YOU JERK?!!! YOU MESS WITH MY BRO,...... YOU JUST CROSSED THE FLIPPING LINE!!! YOUR WORSE THEN EGGMAN!!! *Softly In Tails's Ear* Tails... I Loved You As A Sister.. And In.. Y'know.. The Other Way.. I LOVE YOU.. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH! YOU CAN'T LEAVE ME LIL BRO! I NEED YOU!! PLEASE! NO... *Cries* SONIC.. HELP US.... *Screams At Infinite So Loud Tails Almost Wakes Up* WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME? I LOVED HIM DANG IT.. I LOVED HIM!!! AND IN RESPONSE YOU TRY TO KILL A FLIPPING 8-YEAR-OLD FOX THAT I WAS IN LOVE WITH? NOT IN MY WORLD!! THAT.. IS NOT.. HOW. WE. DO. THINGS. DOWNTOWN!!! *SCREAMS IN RAGE AND GRIEF AND GOES DARK ON INFINITE*
Tails: * Wakes Up* ANGEL!! I LOVE YOU TOO!!! DON'T DO THIS!! PLEASE DON'T.. ANGEL I LOVE YOU TOO!!!!
Angel (My Name): *About To Kill Infinite When Hears Tails's Voice* ....Could it be?... *Turns Head* TAILS! GET OUT OF HERE! ITS TO DANGE-
Tails: *Jumps Up And Kisses Me* I'm Leaving Your Side As Long As I'm Breathing!!
Angel: ....*Thinking* ...DID TAILS JUST KISS ME?! OMG TAILS JUST KISSED ME!! YAY!! *Back To Real World* ....YOU KISSED ME!
Tails:...Heh..I Did Didn't I?
Infinite: GET A ROOM LOVEBIRDS!! OR WILL YA COME FIGHT ME?!
Me And Tails: SHUT UP DUDE!!
Me: Ready Pal?
Tails: If I'm With You, I'll Always Be Ready!
Me: *Blush Intensifies* ....LETS GO!
*6 Minutes Later*
Me:....WE DID IT!! WOO-HOO!!
Tails: IT WAS AWESOME!!
Me: You Did Most Of The Work!
Tails: *Blushes* LETS GO GET CILLIGOGS!!
Me: YA!!! CILLIDOGS!!
THE END
This is the #1 reason I love infinite. He needs to return, even if it’s in a spin-off game, I just want to see him again.
Lucky for you, my vengeance is claimed in sonic forces speed battle...until they wrongfully nerfed me...
@@infinitethejackal4766 hi infinite u are my favourite character 👍
@@infinitethejackal4766 hi infinite u are my favourite character 👍
@@redjacanayt4929 Glad I made an impression dear follower...
Eh.. What is spin-off-
"What I find in the ashes, you loose in the fire!"
This line gives me chills
dont care if this is cheesy i will always love this song unironically
Me too
Same 🤝
Just the facts
This song isn't cheesy. It's edgy!
How the f is it cheesy?
How the fûck are they able to make Í̷̡̯̯̦̣͚̼̤̏̂̿̔̒͝ͅn̵̨̫̠̝̔̐f̵̘͍͉͋́̎̃̐̽͗͠i̴̧̲͆̊̅͊́͌͆̆n̷͙̱͚̭͖͖̙̯̝̓̏̉̔̇̓̽̚̚ḯ̵̧̧̺͔̬̕̚ẗ̸̡̗͈̟͉́̿̇̾͐̇͝ͅe̸̤̬̫͙͈̫͎͖̤̼͗̋͛͊͑ more threatening in a mobile game spinoff than the main game itself?
lmao true.
If ur talking abt Sonic forces speeeed batle,i agree Í̷̡̯̯̦̣͚̼̤̏̂̿̔̒͝ͅn̵̨̫̠̝̔̐f̵̘͍͉͋́̎̃̐̽͗͠i̴̧̲͆̊̅͊́͌͆̆n̷͙̱͚̭͖͖̙̯̝̓̏̉̔̇̓̽̚̚ḯ̵̧̧̺͔̬̕̚ẗ̸̡̗͈̟͉́̿̇̾͐̇͝ͅe̸̤̬̫͙͈̫͎͖̤̼͗̋͛͊͑ is just SUPER DUPER threating
What game
Simply they learned their mistakes surprisingly
@@saigoevangelises3072 in sonic forces speed battle
he is so op
What a good song, for a wasted character that had so much potential.
CRAZY GREG FILMS I haven't played Forces yet, but who knows? Maybe it's gonna be like Silver, a character with a rough debut due to the first game he appears in, but gets better in future titles.
I don't see it, Silver was a good guy, which meant he would most likely return for future games. I find Infinite similar to Mephiles; an edgelord bad guy who doesn't at any point side with the good guys (unlike a certain other edgelord) meaning he doesn't have a reason to come back unless they decide to use him for crossover or fighting games if they ever produce any. Not to mention that Eggman is the staple villain and everything comes back to him anyway.
There is a chance he'll come back though, but only because people find him hilariously edgy and make memes about him. Judging by what they added into Sonic Forces (Sanic shirt) it's far more likely than any other reason.
CRAZY GREG FILMS Agreed!
But you never know, Infinite may be alive but not well.
Also I feel like Infinite should have betrayed “Baldy McNosehair”.
What a waste of an opportunity that should have been taken.
Hablen español putos :v
CRAZY GREG FILMS Eeeh, it's debatable on whether he's a great character. He was basically edgy for the sake of being edgy, at least Shadow had a legitimate reason for being edgy. Infinite? He and his team got their as skilled by Shadow, and considering how Shadow is, and who he works for? His team is likely alive, albeit maybe captured. So all the reason Infinite has is a wounded pride.
The tragedy of Infinite:
He lost everything, and had only power left.
Yet even his power was merely an illusion.
The one most fooled by that illusion?
It wasn't the heroes.
It was its wielder.
This comment did more justice to infinite then the game,also is there a fan comic or something where infinite is acualy competently written ?
@@nourdjaoui3214 believe me, I’ve even found cringey x reader fanfics where he is well written.
the people who are bothered by his writing seem determined to turn him into a decent if not great character
@@georgiedenburrito87 Please tell me you're joking.
@@robertlupa8273 I with I was
@@nourdjaoui3214 I can direct you to a three-part series.
Think how much cooler it would have been if Infinite used his power to infiltrate the Resistance. The player wouldn't have been able to tell which friends were real and which one were impostors. One of the big reveals could have been one of the pillars of the Resistance (such as Knuckles) being a Phantom Ruby copy all along, causing them to fail in a crucial moment. That would have been such a cool use for the character. But no. All we get is a few rehashed villains as copies, half of which are defeated in cutscenes.
That would have required a lot more thinking on Sega's part, and a much longer development time. Unfortunately, they don't seem to think 3D Sonic games through very often.
Yes, WHY didn’t that happen?!
WE DIDN'T EVEN GET CHAOS FUCK!
Gee, i wonder why they didn't pull a reverse ex machina that would probably be considered the worst moment in the game.
It would of been cool if we got boss fights for each of the copies including some more things like for example when the shadow copy goes to attack sonic and shadow interjects we could of played as him against the shadow copy and as the fight goes on he gets flashbacks to the shadow androids which lead to flashbacks involving black doom mephiles and eventually Maria but we notice each of these have a phantom tint to it shadow realizing this knows it’s not real and breaks through and we get a cutscene where he defeats the shadow copy
The chaos fights first half could involve tails fighting chaos while having flashbacks to adventure and the second half involves playing as classic sonic
Infinite: has the phantom Ruby
Thanos: Is that the reality stone?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GET BACK TO YOUR OWN REALITY THANOS 😂😂😂😂😂
Infinite would've been the perfect appearance in Infinity War
It’s the mind stone and reality stone smashed together into one
@@purgeblue and a bit of mind and time, maybe even power.
@@lonelywolf140 i already said mind
It's really sad that Infinite was a villain with a lot of potential, but was ruined by bad writing.
Green Swag I know right? I'm thinking about trying to find a way to make Infinite as the big baddy that everyone wanted him to be.
He’ll be back why DLC that why
Green Swag That is what fanfiction is for
Yeah, there was so much they could have done with Forces' story. No decent explanation for Infinite's origins and motivations (even the prequel comic didn't offer much), plus the game should have had a montage or something showing Dr. Eggman's conquest of the world with Infinite's theme playing over it. That would have been sweet!
Sega is fucking stupid as hell
I love how the verse is super edgy and open to telling you how tough I am, but when you get to the chorus, you get to see how much pain he's actually in and how he feels like he has to go through it to gain more power. Infinite is such a complex character with more depth than people think
At least, he would've been if Sonic Team made him more than a one sided villain. The potential we lost here is really sad
One of many Villain song that COULD have worked, if the character in question had been written better.
Or at least had a backstory that made the lyrics more appropriate
Agreed
I think this song works brilliantly for Infinite. It's full of overconfidence, asserting himself as the best.
That's basically his story, he's a competent guy with a massive ego. When he gets his ass beat, he refuses to accept it and his ego pushes him to seek superior power as a way to overcome his failure. So that he alone is the strongest.
It contrasts with the rookie, who gets a beatdown by Infinite, but instead of being consumed by his failure, he recognises his limitations and seeks help from others.
In the end, it's revealed that the Phantom Ruby controls illusions, Infinite was deluding himself the whole time and even his alliance with Eggman was an illusion.
His ego and confidence controlled him and it drives this song too.
@@strangevision99 an interesting analysis
I really feel like Forces has taken a ton of really good concepts but executed them in a sub-par manner. The aspect of the story that falls most harshly to this boring writing is the villain. Infinite had so much potential, a great design and an interesting air about him, and if they fleshed out his backstory and gave him a reason and motivation besides supposedly being “weak” he could even have been a character that could be sympathized with. I honestly think if they emphasized the loss of his squad and gave him a sort of revenge complex for what was basically his family being taken from him he would have a good motivation and backstory. And imagine if instead of being just the source of his power, the phantom ruby slowly corrupted him more and more until he completely lost even that motivation and turned into a mindless, angry killing machine that fell victim to his own all consuming revenge. I honestly think about Infinite a lot, they did him dirty even in his first appearance.
I have too many projects but each time I find myself listening to this song I really can’t help but think about doing a complete rewrite of Forces and changing a lot of major things just to see how great the story could have been. War always makes for compelling narratives, and it never leaves anything unscathed. Perhaps the general disappointment in this narrative stems from all of these dramatic events occurring and characters only being marginally affected. I honestly think if SEGA wasn’t ready to have a truly dark story and had to pull their punches, a war of this immense scale likely wasn’t the best idea.
Could’ve been great, if they took their good ideas and actually ran with them.
Thanks for listening to my rant if you got this far hahaha
this
I'm bad with words so that's all I can say
I’ve thought about rewriting Sonic Forces too (give Sonic some PTSD, make infinite more interesting, etc) so you’re not the only one lol
Also giving the avatar a more meaningful part in the story. I love the idea of Infinite being on a revenge quest and getting corrupted by the Phantom Ruby. It’d be interesting because the avatar also uses a phantom ruby so I think it’d be fascinating to see your own character have to resist the same corruption
@@georgerobins4110
That awkward moment when the fans can come up with a 110% better concept/concepts than Sega themselves. I'd love to see *ALL* of this!
I mean, a villain motivated by insecurity really isn't anything new in fiction. I think real issue, that people don't want acknowledge, with infnite is that he looses a lot.
The way u described the sub par manner of the way forces was executed just reminds me of my rant about dragon ball gt. So many amazing ideas and concepts on paper but the execution just made it hated by a lot of the community
Considering he was a slightly above average individual in his universe, he got kicked in the face by someone with leg strength comparable to Sonic... He shouldn't have survived.
Also, Episode Shadow doesn't even give all the information, and MANY people seem to forget it implied Shadow brutally murdered his entire squad of soldiers.
In real life small squads of soldiers tend to bond extremely extensively and would risk their lives for each other, that fact alone would mean that 'Infinite' (Not even his Real name fyi) literally lost all of his friends to Shadow, one of Sonic's Friends/Rivals just because they'd run out of luck on this one job.
If anything, he had a right to be this angry with Shadow, and Eggman capitalized on his hunger for the power to level Shadow by offering the Phantom Ruby. The only catch was that 'Infinite' would have to help him defeat Sonic for that power, hence why he was submitting to the fatso. He was actually somewhat honorable by upholding his end of the deal unlike a lot of other things Eggman has gotten involved with.
That was probably part of the reason he almost won in Forces. Their arrogance was the only reason they actually lost in the end.
Exactly
Wow.
*That's hard to understand with you using those difficult words..*
You definitely overanalyzed the crap out of something that can most certainly be explained with lazy writing.
BTW, they were not a patriotic platoon, they were mercenaries, who emphasize emotional detachment, since they rotate team mates quite often and are in the fight for selfish reasons.
@@faded9581, the problem with your argument is that if Infinite had not cared about his squad, he wouldn't have convinced them to work for Eggman alongside him. He'd have simply killed them himself, to test his new powers.
When this song first got released I thought it was hilarious and couldn't stop laughing out of bewildered disbelief cause I couldn't believe they actually went this far with it, I honestly respected them for going so hard into the "edgy" angle for this song.
I've looped back around to unironically loving this song, stupid lyrics and all, Jun goes as hard as he always does on the backing guitars and Tyler and Andy are REALLY good vocalists, it's honestly such a banger
It's like a time capsule back to my days on UA-cam in 2008 it's really something incredible
they aren't stupid lyrics, it's just a normal song of this kind, it's like expressing raw feelings can't be done without being called edgy nowadays lmao
That's exactly what I thought when I first heard it 🤣
"Take a look at my face" it's covered by a mask Infinite I can't see
No fair you stole my line! 🤣
He is actually from the comics, there is a reason he wears the mask. I have to go find it.
I love ragging on infinite.
That’s the point I’ll admit I’m ugly like your worlds dream I’m which we can’t see because dream also wears a mask people wear masks because they think their ugly or they are ugly like me so the point is you’ll never see the likes of my face no matter what
Shadow:I'm the ultimate life form!
Sonic:I'm the fastest thing alive!
Infinite:IM THE TALLEST OF MOUNTAINS,IM THE-
Sonic:Jebus calm down
Blue Death he's the ultimate mercenary😂
This is hilarious X3 ROFL I love Infinite
Silver:it's no use :v
K
😂😂😂
Y'know, the song explains Infinite's character, really. "You are at your lowest, I'm rising higher. Only scars remain of who I was" "This is an illusion, open up your eyes" He's a guy with a very twisted view on the world, at the same time, he sees it for what it can be. Scary, unforgiving. Why they didn't do anything with him in the game, I have no idea.
Yeah. What the freak, Sega?
Thx Max0r
Edit: Hydrogen Bomb VS Coughing BABY!!!!
Honestly hope that Sonic Team uses Infinite again in the next Sonic game. It would be great to expand off of what they tried to do with him, and actually give him more CHARACTER and MOTIVATION. That’s what I hope at least, I’ve always liked his design.
Ikrrrr!! I hope the same goes with the Singers bringing them along the way just to make Songs just like this one.
Yes...their ultimate reckoning for my minor setback...
Whatever they do with him, I would want him to stay just as exaggerated as he is now. Some of the shit that comes out of Infinite's mouth is hilarious, reminds me a little bit of Gundham from Danganronpa.
@@notalive5479 Exactly
A prequel idw would be nice
"It's only me and you,
who is gonna save you now?"
Coolest Sonic related song lyrics ever.😎
*TOGETHER WE CAN SHOW THE WORLD WHAT WE CAND DO*
Clearly y'all haven't followed y'all rainbow
All hail shadow and I am all of me
I cannot lie, it's my favorite too.
Infinite had so much potental, I love him and his design
yes he had more potential but writers screwed him over and yes his suit is cool
@@zerothejackal6927🤲
Infinite: "I'm the tallest of mountains, I am the roughest of waves"
Thwomp: 🗿
"Calm down son, death battle is not canon."
@@mervanaydin3619if infinite had good writing he'll be very very powerful but he was put in a bad game with bad writing and we'll probably never see him again
@@mervanaydin3619 Are you actually copy pasting this across different channels?
@@Barnghost
Is he wrong tho?
@@Kris_deltarune-69 That's not what makes it sad.
Shadow:i am the ultimate life form
Sonic:im the fastest thing alive
Infinite:I AM THE DARKE-
Sonic:calm down infinite
mephone4: don't oof me!
Why not make infinite say I am the egyest and the darkest of days
Tony stark: I AM IRON MAN!
Silver: it's no use take this!!! Hahahahahaha
Haha very funny 😠
This is literally the edgiest thing ever created.
You're saying that like it's a bad thing. Edge can be great.
I love Infinite's edge. SERIOUSLY SEGA BRING HIM BACK AND MAKE HIM TEAM UP WITH MEPHILES!!
May I introduce you to the Shadow the Hedgehog game?
@@beyondtrash1627 That's unnecessarily edgy, whereas this song fits. Or atleast fits what Infinite should've been.
@@Breakaway-ic5gj Sorry, can't here you over this heavy metal of "I am all of me" aka Shadow's theme song.
"Just take a look at my face!"
I can't. You've got a mask on.
@shadowfr0st I was just about to say that
Did you tell the future or something 😂
it's supposed to mean that under the mask, he's got the scars to prove that he's beaten better.
@@tbnrrenagade9507 it's a joke because he has a mask on all the time, we know what the lyrics implied
He should've said "Look at my eye"
"Machine, I will cut you down"
"Make you apart!"
"SPLAY THE GORE OF YOUR PRFANE FORM ACROSS THE STARS!"
"I WILL GRIND YOU DOWN UNTIL THE VERY SPARKS! CRY FOR MERCY!"
"MY HANDS SHALL RELISH ENDING YOU!"
"HERE!"
"AND!"
"NOW!"
- Said by an angel that was throwing tantrum
IS THAT THE BEST YOU GOT??
@@TrashPANDA658 "YOUR GETTING RUSTY MACHINE!"
look up the difference between tantrum and mental breakdown. it will prove that you are all incorrect
The lyrics actually kinda fit Gabriel as a character-
Brainrot
Sonic: Do you like long walks in the beach?
Infinite: No.
Sonic: What is your favorite color?
Infinite: Red.
Sonic: What is the source of your power?
Infinite: Dis Swag
Lel
Lol
Enchantedtube2 Infinite: Oh Sonic, already with personal question? We are moving too fast.
Lol
Enchantedtube2 infinite: I can skip the two questions if I like yes?
Eggman: Infinite are you busy next week-
Infinite: *I AM NOT WEEEEAAAAK!!!!!*
i sound like bloo from fhfif
CHILLLLLLL INFINITE!
Metal:hey infinite is it ok if we order pizza for dinner this week-
Infinite:AAAAAAAAA
Metal:....a no would of been fine
Eggman: I meant week as in time, not you are weak, which your not weak.
Lmao🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sega Team when drafting final fight with Infinite
*Sonic Forces Spoilers*
"OK, how should his third battle go like?"
"We are running out of time, even though we had 3 years to do this. Which is the reason we had to cut the Classic Sonic VS Chaos 0 fight."
"Then just rehash Metal Sonic's boss fight and jump the difficulty by 0.5%."
"Then we don't even have 30 main levels."
"Um... Then let's make the true final boss be Eggman with a robotic spider!"
Playing Brony tru
"But what do you mean jump the difficulty?"
"Let's make them able to use Super Sonic in the Metal Sonic fight and not here. That's the 0.5%."
Playing Brony you mean "eggman in a giant METAL GEAR!!!!!"
READING THIS IS WHAT MADE ME REALIZE THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GET A FIGHT WITH CHAOS HOLY HECK
SPIDER!? NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE SO MUCH NOPE!!!
Infinite has so much power he deleted the dislike button to show how awesome his theme is
and he referenced undefeatable from sonic fronteirs
heres the stuff that reference undefeatable from sonic fronteirs
1:11
1:25
thats all i could find
@@RED-247think you got that backwards, forces came out first
@@igirjei3717 i forgot about this i'm so confused
@@RED-247 no biggie lmao
Shadow is the edgelord, Infinite is the edgemaster.
So that makes who more Edgy?
@@fatalwaffle1715 master better than lord
@@shaunlee3508 got it thanks.
And sonic is the file that will smooth out the edges? By defeating both of them
Shadow is the edglelord while Infinite is the whole damn Blademaster with the amount of Edge he has.
And I thought the Deadly Six had wasted potential. . .Sonic Team really wasted an awesome villain. . .
They really did, I was disappointing by the backstory they gave him, but there's nothing we can do now.... except fanfics because that's a thing. I liked the theories about Infinite far more than his actual story (I don't hate Infinite, not at all, his concept is cool)
DaBlackBlur57 so true
@@plasmax2692 forgive me
@@plasmax2692 i miss red cream soda from t roc 3
Dragon Lich Queen I️ mean if you look more into it the backstory can be summarized as this
‘Infinite is a mercenary who’s only family is his squad of jackals he leads, they are very close and would die to save another, while raiding eggmans base he realized his squad was captured and would be killed unless he joined eggman, he decided he would help eggman and they were assigned a mission to stop shadow who broke into the base, his squad attempted to stop him but were all killed by shadow with infinite trying to contact them before realizing their fates...enraged he goes to fight shadow on his own no back up from the egg pawns or any other machines just to avenge his friends, shadow seeing him dodged his attack and nearly killed him leaving him with nothing but insanity and one desire, to destroy anything in his way of defeating shadow, everything he knew has come and gone and only scars remain of who he was, there was nothing left to carry on and his pain persisted until eggman showed him the phantom ruby he couldn’t resist its power and became infinite forgetting his past forgetting who he once was with the only thing keeping him going was the idea that he could finally seek vengeance on shadow’ yea I️ looked way to into the lore
Call me edgy, but I love this.
@@edgar_eats_pi QUEEEN SLAAAY
You ain’t the only one
@@edgar_eats_pi you can’t blame me I thought the song belong to shadow then I find out that there was a whole new character that I didn’t know about that really showed a lot of emotion in his destruction 😂😅
Edgy,( you told me to )
Doesnt matter if its edgy as long as its a banger
i like to imagine that when the lyrics says "is only me and you, who is gonna save you now?" is infinite talking directly to the avatar/rookie
Rip Infinite
Died due of bad plot writing
Except we never actually see Infinite die. Instead, we see him get *absorbed* into the Phantom Ruby, which flies off into the distance. This implies that Infinite may be able to make a comeback, in another game, because he wasn't actually destroyed, just defeated and humbled.
@@SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance Didn't he escape to Eggmans base?
I just know some day someone is going to make a fan game where infinite is revived and turns into the potential he had
Soma Cruz the Demigod of Balance may be a year ago but fuck it, that could be a way to bring back ANOTHER certain sonic villain who actually defeated sonic and nearly murdered everybody (cough) mephiles other wise known as the best sonic villain (cough) what they could do is explain that the ruby infinite used was the form mephiles took after 06 he was able to escape the endless void which was the dead 06 universe through generations due to the time travel and took in the form of the phantom ruby, this could explain then why null space is a mix of black and purple similar to the color of mephiles’s attacks and what could happen is in the next game infinite appears in he is the ‘main’ villain with mephiles being the puppet master lets just say the infinite we see in the game being nothing more than an un conscious puppet being controlled by a more powerful entity infinite could take on a new look with the mask being similar to the masks the giant liquidy infinite’s wore in the avatar metropolis stage but with a massive crack in it from the battle between sonic and the avatar
He had some good potential
I have only heard this song twice but I love it to bits, for 3 reasons.
1: The music is absolutely incredible.
2: The lyrics are so gosh darn well-written.
3: It really gives you a feel for what Infinite has been through and sort of makes me feel so sorry for the dude.😔
relatable
Infinite got his ass kicked by shadow that should be the highest honor
have u seen Tail is infinity theory?
Don't shed one tear for Infinite; He literally just gave up his life to become Eggman's puppet because he's power hungry.
@@CapitalTeeth yeah?What will you do after your whole team got killed brutally and you had your ass handed to you and you can't do shit about any of it?
“Please King Boo, I need this”
thwomp diff
"My ass is kinda strong"
*holds laugh*
@notamobilesprout4175 I wonder how long this meme will go on
*E D G Y N E S S I N T E N S I F I E S*
**insert screaming**
Im the edgyist end of story 😈😈😈
omga
If only Infinite was as threatening in the main game as he is in Speed Battle.
Seriously, he's like the Brawl Meta Knight of the game in terms of how OP he is.
Aaaaaaaaaa che schifo
You calling me weak, mortal?
He is in SFSB
@@infinitethejackal4942 oooooh
But that's what it takes to be I N F I N I T E
Probably my favorite theme out of the whole game! JUST LOVE IT!!!
the lyrics of this song honestly make it sound like infinite is immortal and has lived so long that everything and everyone he knew or cared about has died off time and time again, so he now wants to wipe out all life as he believes there's no point to it existing in the first place.
0:13
Top 10 Anime Plot Twists
Look that Daniel von the same letter
I mean motivation seems like any other Dragonball villain
Daniel von Strangle you mean that infinite is weak?
Anthony529
Well, obviously Daniel's opinion is fact.
Burning Bridge Studios.
Opinion and Fact are totally different.
Also, I feel that if SEGA really tried, they could do some great things regarding Infinite.
This is good lyrics. It's completely describing infinite.
Darius Henderson Really?
Yeah. Infinite creates illusions. And if he takes out the mass he actually has a scar on his face. And it shows he's the most powerful of the group.
@@dragorespillerofblood4884 Plus, "When everything you know has come and gone" might be referring to when Shadow attacked and killed his squad, then beat him effortlessly. His team is gone, his pride is shattered because he sees that he could do absolutely nothing against Shadow. Being thought of as the best only to get taken out so easily must be quite a shock. It felt like he was left with nothing.
Well, I mean, we don't really know that much about him
@@dragorespillerofblood4884 describe perfectly well done
This song is...
INFINITE
ranjitha roberts But its length is 4:31
Yeah :3
This song is not weak!!!!
A dude it’s a joke
@@ghadaahmed8000 i return right now i'm back:D
I'm the tallest of the mout-
"instantly gets crushed by a thwomp"
Infinite had so much potential to be a perfect villain.
But its ruined.. and thats really sad...
Infinite came and went with a whimper. But I still kind of hope this isn't the end of him. He deserves another chance. If Zavok gets to come back then so should he.
Fr like zavok freaking smells like a broken cheeseburger
Infinite: Omae Wa, Mou Shindeiru. (My theme, Shadow, is way edgier than yours.)
Shadow: Nani?! (WHAT?!)
Bob TGC saw what you did. Happy New Year!
Bob TGC AYYYYY
LOL
I think you mean: Watashi no tēma wa, anata no kage yori surudoi.
アオ、ザエジュ。
0:55 when you’re like me coming back and listening to this song again after 7 years
1:21 is it just me or does it sound like the songs from frontiers
@Masked_does_stuffI have this song directly after undefeatable in my playlist. They sound similar instrumentally.
Yea
The perfect villain theme doesn’t even exi-
Well your wrong now buddy
The theme actually has to fit the villain...
Actually this is perfect for infinite, it promises something but ends up being forced and overly edgy.
Memories broken the truth goes unspoken I even forgotten my name.
So true
YES
Shadow: "I am the ultimate edge lord."
Infinite: "Is that so?"
No, shadow isn't edgy. He's just been ruined by bad writing
sonic say bruh
@@TheRealJochen somebody gets it
@@TheRealJochen well, i mean…even back in his debut, he was a super-serious, all-black, brooding, dark guy with red eyeshadow-like highlights and a generally detached attitude, as well a penchant for saying “hmph” all the time. kinda like a grumpy teenager haha.
he literally taught me what edgy meant from sa2 lol. not that there’s anything wrong with it tho
Shadow is weak unlike me I’m the ultimate life form not shadow
This is segas equivalent to "Bury the Light" and I love it
Immortal temptation takes over my mind
Bro, Bury the Light is Capcom's equivalent of this song
😮😮😮 My God this came out before bury the light
Let me all remind you that Shadow created a super villain by Ignoring him and calling him pathetic.
Came back here to compare this because of “Find Your Flame” being somewhat similar. They have similar lyrics in some parts, but it’s as if find your flame has the opposite tone of this, because it’s more uplifting.
This one is talking down to the listner the other one isnot
Best villain song ever.
If you told me this was a cover of an unfinished Linkin Park track, i would have believed you.
this is NOT butt-rock, this is quality.
This song is still my favourite villain theme in any media to date. This is what I get when I hear this song.
Infinite is a mercenary humiliated by Shadow, and now has become a monster blinded by power, bloodshed and vengeance. He went through hell to get the power he has, nearly insane from the constant pain he is in.
He will not stop until he destroys everyone sonic and his friends ever knew, and then he will kill them.
I imagine being in the final boss fight that will never be, between super Sonic and a fully powered Infinite (Phantom Infinite). Infinite has pulled everyone into null space. Sonic has to break the phantom ruby before Infinite traps them in forever.
That is why some of the lines in this song refer to “This is an illusion, open up you eyes and...” “Look around you and tell me what you really see”, implying that this is a world where Infinite holds all the cards and can control everything.
I regret the lost potential Infinite could have brought.
This is now up there for me with ‘Alicorn’ from Ace Combat 7 (Captain Torres of the Submarine Alicorn wants to nuke 1 million people to end a war) and ‘Collective Conscious’ from MGRR (literally just media bad but it goes fucking hard)
We need Hyper Sonic not Super Sonic. But none of them take damage though. But Still!
I wish Sega could take Sonic Forces back, scrape it, and reevaluate everything except the music.
@@emmanueldavis1872 yeah... shame they messed up so badly.
@@twobrosincorporated If they don't bring Infinite back, I'm gonna beat somebody!
I don't care if the game he's from isn't very good; Infinite's theme is a BANGER.
Glad we all returned to this after Infinite getting humbled by Thwomp
I guess you could say the fun is...
Never ending.
Have a lovely day
bruh
"Fun is infinite".
Missed opportunity to say “Infinite”
@Seasy_ I think that's the point-
I know infinites motivation was kind of shallow, but to me, that’s the point. He’s a shallow, immature character, set off by getting called weak after shadow beat him up, and that honestly makes it all the more believable. A levelheaded, mature person wouldn’t normally become a villain. But if you give a childish person (infinite) the power of a god (phantom ruby), they’re gonna go on a power trip and see themself as unstoppable. Infinites immaturity is what makes him such a threat because he’ll never willingly stop and is likely to try to kill anyone who tries to get him to, and his immaturity is ultimately his downfall because he fails to realize that other people can be just as powerful if not more so than him.
Thwomp moment
URGH!
URGH! Vs. IM NOT WEAAAAK?!?!?!?!
Who wins
IM NOT WEAK, IM NOT WEAK
@@zeb1216I AM NOT WEAK! UGHHHHAAAAA!
@GabrieIPlayz draw, two memes of the same power XD
I pesonaly thought that infinite could have been a very good anti-hero and just wantae to test Sonics limits
*wanted*
I did too. I wouldn't mind seeing him or Mephiles for these reasons. I really hope both make a comeback
"ITS ONLY ME AND YOU, WHO IS GONNA SAVE YOU NOW" Badass Line
"Machine, i will cut you down,break you apart,splay the gore of your profane form across the stars! I will grind you until the very sparks cry for mercy! My hands should RELISH YOU,HERE AND NOW!"
THIS PAIN PERSIST
I CAN'T RESIST
BUT THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO BE INFINITE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
King Boo: URGH!
YEAH!
SO LOOK AROUND YOU AND TELL ME WHAT YOU REALLY SEE
I NEVER END AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN YOU AND ME🔥💯🗣❗️🗣💯🔥❗️🗣💯
@@EditsofLasangamaneditor King Boo: HAHA THWOMP GO URGH
@@TitanJonkler URG!!!!
Nintendo: I got the best lyrics ever!
Sega: hold my beer
Sega: (“breath in”)
Sega: 0:00
Nintendo: :0
@shadowfr0st i miss red cream soda from t roc 4
@shadowfr0st excuse me?
@shadowfr0st i said i miss red cream soda from t roc 4
@shadowfr0st ok
@shadowfr0st t roc 5 red cream soda is mine right now
As edgy as this song is, it’s pretty profound in some aspects. I just wish the character Infinite did the lyrics of this song justice.
Machine, I will cut you down.
Break you apart.
Splay the gore of your profane form across the stars!
I will grind you down until the very sparks cry out for mercy!
My hands shall relish ending you....
*HERE! AND! NOW!!!*
So glad SEGA got this band back for Frontiers. They are SO GOOD!!!
This song defines How I feel every day
Ow the edge
Same
For real
Shadow spitting facts.
Infinite had so much potential man, his backstory could had been way better than we got and he could been more stronger in sonic forces...
the dude beat everybody,includimg sonic twice,he was plenty strong.
Bro he could’ve had lots of potential, and a good backstory that isn’t “I got scars from Shadow and now I’m emo.” He could’ve solo’d the Sonic cast. He murdered like 4 people and spared the Rookie. He only died to plot armor and horrible storylines
@@Seasy_can't have shit with plot armor
@@Garrett8489 nah we focusing on the wrong shit, the problem actually is if sonic was beaten why doesn't he try to get the chaos emeralds❔
1:17 idk why but that line got me emotional
Ikr
What's your fav villain song?
Normies: *starts singing Disney song*
Sonic Fans: "I'm the tallest of mountains..."
Yes