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Quick Technique Fix Chopin Etude "Ocean" op.25 No.12
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What I was calling here a “wrist rotation” is actually not a correct term in English. Since the impulse for this rotation comes from the elbow, and the whole forearm is being rotated, it should be called “forearm rotation” indeed.
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I have all 24 etudes well in progress, and the ocean etude gave me a puzzling realization. My left hand is far better than my right. My left hand soon learned it and got more and more relaxed and accurate to a point that it reached near performance tempo. When i first started learning the left hand, it felt comfortable almost easy, i only had to adjust efficiency of movement and accuracy to get it up in speed over a few weeks. But the right hand has been the total opposite, a nightmare almost unthinkable that there would be such difference in the same person two hands. It tenses, fatigues struggles to gain speed and the thumb wants to bend inward in tension after just one page. I did significant visual and internal studying my left hand technique to transfer it to the right hand but nothing miraculous happened. I even mirrored some bars disregarding the harmony for repeated practice to make each hand alone (separate practice) play exactly the same intervals and keys type (black or white) so that they have to do the exact same movement in mirror ( except for the difference in action hardness between bass and trebble registers). The result: the sensation and ease of play of the left hand could not be transfered to the right hand. I closely watched my left hand every micro movement, analyzed every internal tacticle sensations i feel and tried to copy everything to the right hand. It has helped only a little. i can practice the left hand alone going through all 6 pages not too far below tempo and it sounds like i can play the etude with nice sound and when i do the same for the right hand, terrible, it sounds like a different student sat at the keyboard two grades lower in advancement, even slow is a struggle and i have to stop after 2 pages at most. This is insane and makes me in disbelief. I realize all the difference is how the brain uses the hand and processes its tactile sensations. Now i must say i am left handed but been playing the piano a long time, but never has a piece shown me this.
As a side note , i realize that if the piano itself was mirrored i would have already mastered Op 10 n 1 a long time ago (with the left hand) instead of having it in a semi mastered state where it's still at 3/4 speed but relatively clean but not reliable.
I am quite afraid to ask at this point, but are you right-handed?
@@DenZhdanovPianist Hi Denis, i am left handed. It's in the comment but sorry for writing too long. Your reply is making my day and will motivate my practice later today.
@ericastier1646 yeah overlooked that, my bad. Well, this explains it. The most important thing I would advice, is not trying to break through this natural weakness with force, and don’t get mad on yourself. I know it’s frustrating, but you have to accept your limitations and work on them without rage and irritation about yourself! 🤞
@@DenZhdanovPianist🤗 I will keep that precious advice with me. It's mostly the frustration to see my left hand doing so well. Puzling too, since most of the repertoire trains the right hand and after so many years i'd thought my right hand would be best yet my left is making a mockery of it in a way 🙄.
You know when i beat eggs or a vinaigrette in a small container with a fork i did notice my left hand has a better spatial awareness of the fork end and can make fast circles cockwise and counterclockwise, and that is without using fingers just loose wrist rotation. Trying to think of light effortless exercises away from the piano to develop that brain mapping of the right hand use more.
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Playing it at a slow tempo is hauntingly beautiful.
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@@DenZhdanovPianist Wow!... wonderful.
I just decided to donate :-) compared to many other (still good) videos there is not much unnecessary blah but you go right to the essentials and most importantly explain pretty well the details of movement-ergonomics
Thank you! :)
Love your tutorial so much! Please make more, Master!:):)
Very interesting, thank you so much 🙏 However, I always have issues with the descending arpeggios. I feel it’s harder to go down than to go up. I think I have to find the « trick » (or the proper movement). Also, some chords are pretty uncomfortable for small hands… I will keep on trying, it’s such a beautiful piece 😍
Yes quite often we need a different motion for going down in arpeggios. When I was a teen, I have also noticed that the way I played arpeggios up and down in Chopin’s op10/1 was very different, and the upward articulation was much better. I have found the remedy a few years later only.
Thank you for your answer. I will keep on investigating ;) Piano is a never ending journey... and that's why I love it so much.
Finally thank you!
Thank you. Love your videos
Interestingly enough, although I hear a lot that op.10 n.1 is very difficult, I don’t find it as difficult as the double thirds for example. I believe that each Etude was written with secret tips embedded to it by the genius himself.
It depends on which technique type is easier/more natural for you, or has been more developed.
Need More tipps for this piece
hey, i've been playing this piece for few years but still can't play it at full tempo. On pianos with very light keys it's very easy but on piano with heavy keys like mine ( weinback from 80s) or gran piano like bluthner, i am litteraly destroying my arms. At the end of the piece i've a lot of tension in my forarms and elbow ( felling like a nerve inflamation for the elbow). I still don't know what i'm doing wrong, when i play I try and I feel relaxed as much as possible. The wrist movement is pretty natural and my hand are really like squids running all over the keyboard ( i think it was Josh Wright who said this ). I've tried with more body motion to accompany the hands, lower or rised my bench, but I didn't fine THE tip that would help me to play this beautiful piece as I want. I hope anyone could help me to find it ( and I hope my english was correct). :)
An urge for complete relaxation might be a wrong path, because piano playing is not about faulty hands, but about getting tension for a short moment exactly where and when necessary. If you think this video doesn’t cover your problem, check out also a video on general playing habits: ua-cam.com/video/QD9QcmlygKo/v-deo.html
However, those are only most common tips, for a real personalized help you’d better book a lesson with someone proficient in piano playing efficiency. Please don’t play through pain and sensation of nerve inflammation, that’s extremely dangerous.
It’s coming back down the keyboard that I find problems. It must be a ‘double rotation’??
Not sure what you mean
Taubman nonsense. If you actually researched Chopin you would know he would laugh at the misunderstanding. By the way he used rotation just not in the silly way of Taubman advocates. 😉
I’ll give you a clue. If you play as Chopin intended it’s extremely easy and effortless. If you try to be inefficient you will get awkwardness.
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