(4K) PDX UPS MD11 GO AROUND Plane Spotting - Portland, Oregon
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- Featured Aircraft: B763, MD11
Location: PDX - Portland, USA
Date: March 1st 2023
00:00 Taxi to 10R | UPS 5X2992 - Boeing 767-34AF(ER) to Seattle (BFI)
01:19 ATC provides 5X2992 permission to line up and wait
ATC provides 5X2974 permission to land
01:43 5X2992 begins to line up
02:34 ATC clears 5X2992 for take off
03:02 ATC cancels 5X2992 take off clearance (ABORT Takeoff)
03:12 ATC instructs 5X2974 to GO AROUND
06:27 Landing | UPS 5X2974 - McDonnell Douglas MD-11F from Louisville (SDF)
07:42 UPS 5X2992 - Needs additional time to cool down and is moved to the other side of 10R
10:17 Take Off after 45minute delay | UPS 5X2992 - Boeing 767-34AF(ER) to Seattle (BFI)
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That's incredible! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
Please go ahead! I like your channel!!
@@casplanespotting Thank you, appreciate it!
Saw this animated on VASAviation but it’s awesome you caught it on video. Nice work.👍🏼 (Plus, always nice to see a beautiful tri-jet like the MD11🥰)
I agree, the MD11 is a pretty bird
Stunning capture! May I feature this go around in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
Yes, please go ahead!! I love your channel! Cheers mate!!
Many controllers used to ask pilots if they could accept immediate takeoff clearances when so instructed before being allowed to taxi onto the runway. This 767 took its sweet old time getting the ball rolling - as you could see. More than a few times I've been instructed to line it up, spool it up and be ready for immediate brake release. The controllers really like it when you as the pilot respond with "...cleared for takeoff..." while they can also hear the engines roaring in the transmission's background and see you rolling. That's a fairly big stress reliever for them.
"No delay" is another key phrase, which I often heard at SFO and OAK along with something like "traffic on a 3 mile final". Perhaps if he'd mentioned the MD-11 breathing down their neck... I remember a couple of times at LHR and LGW when the engines were already well above idle as we rolled onto the runway and immediately spooled up to takeoff power without any braking in between.
@@cageordie "Line up and wait" immediately followed by "No delay" doesn't seem like good spacing work by ATC. He waited too long to clear a heavy for take off, plain and simple -- cleared with landing aircraft at 2-miles is not enough space.
I had heard about this incident, but did not know it had happened at PDX airport. An interesting side note is it’s pretty rare to see snow piled up on the ground at PDX. Especially in March.
@@jethro70 Yeah, ATC spaced that too close for that large a plane. I'm a bit surprised that the landing plane didn't call the go-around on his own.
This why I like big radials,no spool up time...
Pilot of UPS2974 Heavy asked controller what was the reason for the delayed departure. ATC did not respond.
I smell a supervisor...
Yeah I noticed that!! 😏
He can ask that question inside the company.
"cuz I stacked you guys up too close..."
My husband works there he was working with the MD11 that’s in the ground when it happened and told me about it. Pilots are amazing!
I was there spotting that day, and saw the MD-11 going around! Nice footage
As if PDX is ever busy enough to have to squeeze them in that close. I am convinced ATC is experimenting with how close they can cut it.
A lot of new ATC with no experience and little training.
A major phuck up by the ground/tower controller!
Great catch! I was so interested to hear first the ATC audio of this event because PDX is my home airport, but it’s awesome that you caught it on video! Also, random but was kinda cool to see the airport’s taxiway lights turn on at 8:32 I don’t think I’ve seen that before
Absolutely fantastic capturing ❤
Great job 👏
Cool catch with the MD-11
Really great video, and to get to see an MD-11 do the go around was the icing on the cake.
Stuff happens. This wasn’t a daily occurrence at brown, but, when you have 800-odd flights per day, things happen. ATC and the pilots worked it out. The only difference is that everything is on line now for the fanboys & Monday morning quarterbacks. After 20+ years at UPS, the only fretting I can see from this was the extra $1800 in fuel for the MD-11 making a go-around.
Saw this one VASAviation. So cool you caught it on video! -UPS Boeing 757/767 FO
UPS Manager here, great to see you guys on the channel.
That was well captured! ✈️💯
Great cameramanship! Thanks
nice video..thumbs up!
Brilliant footage.
Great moment friend
Great catch
good job👍
This is definitely going to make the news.
AWESOME SNAG!
What were they thinking clearing that UPS for takeoff with another aircraft on so close short final?
Oh hey! Someone recorded it. I was working in the C gates as that happened, so I saw the MD11 do its south turn
Wow...thankfully disaster was averted!
@@juliemanarin4127 It wasn't even close Julie. This happens daily across the US. As airlines increase the amount of daily flights there are going to be more go arounds in order for the ATC to sequence all the new traffic. Not sure why it is becoming more public recently but this has been going on in the last 30 years since I was hired by a major airline. When landing we are always prepared to go around and it's practiced in the simulator. On final approach you can see the situation developing so it was not a suprise to the the UPS plane on short final approach. In fact many times I will repeat the 3 step go around procedure to the copilot should we have to go around when I see a situation developing like the one in this vid.
Very stressful job, I believe 🙃. No mistake allowed, no second chance. My respect
so this is why my package was late? awesome clip btw
How cool.
All that could have been avoided by having the 767 hold short for two extra minutes! What have these controllers been smoking?
Or the 767 rolling when cleared for takeoff! There was plenty of room.
Still up to ATC to ask or say 'expedite' t/o
@Mort Homer , not needed with 6 miles unless they see crew is moving too slowly. That crew moved incredibly slowly. Sitting on runway, know a Mad Dog is coming, you spool up and get ready on your own. I've done it that exact tail number dozens of times. That is a Trip Report in the making. Never blame someone else for what you had control over!
@@michaelstinson5317the takeoff clearance was only given when the MD was at 2 miles
@@Tumleren chain of events. Controller probably misjudged the spacing from the traffic taking off on 10L, or the plane on 10L didn't roll as fast as he anticipated, which delayed his ability to clear the 767 off 10R. Not sure what their separation requirements are for simultaneous runway ops at PDX. It's a tricky art and we are pushing the system to its limits in the U.S. on a daily basis. Yes, he probably should have just held the 767. Shit happens, it's why we practice go arounds in the sim. At least it was VFR! lol
That was a really interesting video and coupled with the ATC and your viewing location, you really got a sense of the drama of that late 767 takeoff clearance and then the MD11 go-around. It was also really nice to see so many UPS aircraft in one location with the MD11, 767 and 757. Good catch and showing the calm professionalism of all involved.
Yes it was nice to see all the UPS planes...moving the economy...hope to keep it that way.
Wow nice go around! May I feature this clip in an upcoming video? I'll be sure to provide a link for viewers to return to your video. Thanks!
Well that little snafu jacked up the entire sequence. LoL. Unfortunately, it happens more times than people think.
I flew out of KAOK in my youth and even back then it you sat on the numbers past your takeoff clearance the North Tower (there were 2 towers back then) would be like - let's goooooo dude...
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Nice, was wondering whether there would be a video of this. ATC totally unnecessarily created this situation, which could have been avoided by having the departing aircraft hold short for an extra 2 minutes. The next landing aircraft was 16 minutes away
Awesome capture! Did they ever say what the delay was in departure?
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This is such a good example of why we need experience in the cockpit and the tower
Lots of lives are at stake every time.
Experience? That’s been thrown out the window. Just watch the recent hearings for Biden’s nomination for FAA chief. Just another DEI box checker with ZERO experience in Aviation. Same thing goes for the UA pilots that nearly crashed taking off from Maui. Box checkers = yes, experience = No.
Well…not too many lives, maybe a few boxes wouldn’t make it to their final destination j/k.
MD-11's do have a slightly fast approach speed. Maybe that threw off ATC's timing? Anyway, seems the MD-11 was already inside 5 miiles away and the 767 should have stayed on the taxiway waiting for it to clear in the first place.
But does it warrant Blancolirio covering it? We shall see.
Out of curiosity is this audio recorded at exactly the same time as the video, or was it added later?
Talk about flying the unfriendly skies! Did you film this??? Nice job!
Back during the "Big war" they called this a "SNAFU".
I've heard of controller fatigue..........."SUMMER RENTAL" was a comedy about this.....
This is crazy! There’s been a lot of this happening lately! And to think I’ll be flying into PDX on May 24th, hopefully they don’t put my plane over another one. 😮✈️
how often does this happen? is their a SOP specifically for this situation or is it all at the ATC/pilots discretion?
I heard the audio of this UPS saga on VasAvation You Tube Channel. Surprised ya actually were there an caught it.
Saw this on another feed, but with animation only... now with the video, I understand... but still, still on ATC for putting them on the runway.... should have been held short or given immediate takeoff. I'm sure that ATC assumed the "2 mile final" comment would substitute for an "immediate takeoff" instruction. I'm sure that was an interesting discussion between those pilots...
Most ATC I know are reluctant to use an "immediate" clearance. In my experience, if you think you need to say "immediate" then you should probably just hold them short. I'd love to to know if the MD11 pilots were critical of ATC or the 767. My money is on the 767.
Was waiting for “Possible ATC deviation…..standby to copy down a phone number” LOL!
What is that all white Q400 at 6:07
How do you get the tower audio?
Really expected that MD-11 driver to give ATC a number to copy.
It looked to me that the UPS guy was cleared for takeoff but he lingered a bit too long. I see him finally beginning his takeoff roll but by then it’s too late. I think if the controller said cleared for immediate takeoff it might have encouraged the UPS heavy to roll sooner.
The controller did mention that the other aircraft was on a 2 mile final. But I think you’re right, the controller should have emphasized an immediate departure clearance.
one thing I don't understand, if you position an aircraft "lineup and wait" and then give another aircraft clearance to land, you better be prepared to have the airplane on the ground - to have clearance to take off immediately, right? or why couldn't he have the aircraft on the ground hold short of the runway. this may be the reason why we are having so many near misses on the ground. just my thoughts....
You're just hearing about it more now because of a couple high profile incidences in the media. It happens all the time.
The tower can’t just launch an aircraft without coordinating it with departure. This happens quite often and is why we practice go-arounds. It’s really no big deal.
What was the tower thinking?
What was the tower thinking? "God, please don't let this get on UA-cam...."
@@kevinscoggin3286 🤣
This is not unusual. Controllers try to move aircraft in and out as quickly and efficiently as possible. Occasionally the spacing doesn’t work out.
I was wondering... do you have any evidence to support that this is not "unusual"? what is the SOP for this particular situation? I think you are talking out your ass, because the companies involved are going to have to have a reason as to why their planes were delayed, and its not exactly a small deal, neither is operating in such a way that puts aircraft in potential conflict... I think I heard from another synopsis of this incident that there was a TCAS, so this will probably be considered a "near miss", and ATC will most likely face some type of reprimand.
Nice catch, appalling ATC. What on earth was he thinking telling a heavy 767 to line up and wait to just sit there on the keys with an MD11 on final? The most unnecessary forced abort and go-around, especially since by the time MD11 came back around, the same 767 was still sat there waiting. Crazy.
Thx… my words! I was thinking the same 👍👍
Nothing crazy here. If the guy sits on the runway other traffic will have to go around. Maybe you are not aware but ATC has no remote control of aircrafts they talk to.
@@12345fowler ATC instructions were "line up and wait", while traffic was on 6-mile final. Then a hurried "cleared for take off" at 2-miles, and take off roll commenced 15 seconds after readback. Seems to me like ATC thought he had cleared 5X2992 for take off initially, got distracted, then realized it was still sitting on the runway -- then gave the hurried take off clearance. It does seem the pilot of 5X2992 was not prepared for "imminent departure", but it's pretty clear ATC didn't leave enough space in there if 15 seconds was enough to cause the go-around and aborted take off.
@@jethro70 This is exactly what it looked like occurred. This is on ATC but nonetheless, not a safety incident.
@@12345fowler What on earth are you on about?
ATC told the 767 to line up and wait. It did not ask if the pilot was ready, the pilot did not request time for final checks. If this was the case, an expedited take off clearance would have been given at the threshold and told to get a shift on since the MD11 was less than 10 dme.
The whole reason the 767 pilots were given clearance to line up and wait is because they were at the threshold and must stop unless given clearance to proceed. They were given that. But no take-off clearance.
767 was on Tower frequency so both pilots heard that the MD11 was just a few miles on final.
If you go back and listen again, you will finally hear ATC give take off clearance after the 767 has been sat there waiting while the MD11 is around 2 miles out.
So the Tower gave him clearance to take off knowing it would be impossible, since separation was now next to nothing. Also, the ATC controller was using the callsign 'Heavy' so he should have known his rollout would be slow.
He was told to abort the roll before he'd even reached 80knots yet his brakes were BBQ so proves he was indeed, heavy! The MD11 was already wheels up on TOGA by the time they were off the runway.
That, is inarguably an ATC f**k up!!
Does anyone in the Plane Spotting community know anything about this incident: AJT8741 and NKS3167 at MIA on 2/12 at 22:50?
Amazing!
Why does this keep happening over and over again? In Germany, no one gets permission to land if someone is still on the runway or even has to line up first. What is this bad job? It takes quite a bit of skill to get two flights into a situation like this. It wasn't even an outbound traffic jam. At some point it will cost human life. The controller apparently knows nothing about the situation between Fedex and Southwest. 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Das Video ist toll. Gute Arbeit. Ich bin jetzt Abonnent 👍
Controllers don’t seem to get the fact that they’ve created a lot of paperwork for all parties involved when they creat a go around issue.
Why it took the ATC the excess time... to clear a simple take off, when no one was around..!
No context. Might have been a plane on the runway, might have been waiting for a release.....
Where is this
I missed the reason for the delay.... and, what if the MD-11F hadn't heard the go-around? Were they still able to see the other plane on the runway by that point? And why not the runway to the left?
Probably locked onto the ILS glide slope and that other runway could be too short.
@@shanemontanez6281 thanks.
@@shanemontanez6281 He asked about the reason for the delayed departure. After the 767 entered the runway it was not immediately cleared for takeoff. What I have heard before in similar setups is the controller ask if they will be ready to go on lining up, and then the cleared for take-off comes with "no delay". But this controller put the 767 on the runway then waited while the MD-11 got too close.
We never did hear a reason for the delay, and the MD11 pilot was professional in not asking again. I suspect he and the controller had a talk later that day. Ultimately, the controller screwed up, but there was no need to do dirty laundry on the air…learn and move on.
@@shanemontanez6281 Look at a map. You’ll see that the parallel runways are wide apart, separated by the terminal, and also offset east to west.
How about UPS cleared for immediate takeoff!
ATC could have done better, but the 767 delay caused this. They were informed of heavy traffic on a 6-mile final. That means to be ready to go.
This was amazing to see live🙈
This local controller along with the fool in Austin will soon be managers for sure...
That’s about a $2000 mistake in fuel cost.
as others are saying, "line up and wait",, 6 mile final, at 150 kts? really? way too many of these lately..
Wow, I can do this job
Twilight takeoffs in cold weather --- there is just something about them.
Pilot to controller “I’ve got a phone number for you to call. Advise when ready to copy.”
could that go around not just turn left or right to avoid conflict?
I couldn't believe the controller sent him runway heading over the top of another heavy..bad karma. Go around, offset to the right to keep the runway traffic out of his kill zone, then issue the additional instructions.
Can't offset an instrument approach aircraft executing a missed approach. What this controller did was the only option to prevent a loss of separation. Most ATC I know wouldn't "offset" an airliner anyways.
@@kevinscoggin3286 You need to brush up on your listening skills. He did not instruct the pilot to execute a missed approach, he instructed him to go around then issued a climb out instruction in VFR conditions where he could see both aircraft. His instruction nullified the approach clearance, and the only separation standard was don't swap paint. I respect that you work at a contract VFR tower, which means you probably had a military career which included some air traffic control,. You or the anonymous ATC you know that are inclined to agree with you, need to brush up on your point 65 and work on those listening skills.
Why does this keep happening?
Because pilots can't sequence themselves?
The MD-11 comes in like a space shuttle or a concorde 😅
They had it all day. 6k and airborne down the runway is the minimum. 767 sat there for a hot minute after being cleared as well.. that’s the only thing that’s a “independent” factor.
No rules broken tho, everyone did their job
Holy CRAP... is the Tower on their lunch break?!!
You can hear the frustration in the pilots voice when he's cleared to land.
This a control fault
Controller needs retraining. Send him back to Ok City. Cost UPS some fuel $$$.
What is goi g on? This is a constant issue with ATC now. Did they change a policy or training? I know they are short staffed but wow. It’s just day after day. Over and over again.
There was no way that was ever going to work....
It seems to me it would have worked if the other plane had taken off immediately instead of just sitting there.
@@kerrywilson7321 , that’s the only situation where this works and ATC gave them a lineup and wait, and cleared them for takeoff when the MD11 was nearly short final.
Typically it’s a “no delay” when they do this.
Or no “line up and wait” and just an immediate take off clearance
After being clearded for take off , it took almost 25 secondes before they roll ?! This caused the aborted take off and go around.
wow,, what happened there,, a foul up on someones part
That's scary. Wake up people.
When you're cleared for takeoff. TAKEOFF.
Or say you’re not ready
Right on
No way that should’ve occurred
ATC Fk'ed up...
Way to many close calls lately.
Como que acontece uma cagada dessas ?
Poor pilotage from the 767 fella. Not aware of the big picture around him and also used max braking on his abort which there was no need to do with so much runway ahead of him. Still, coulda bin any one of us 😆
The 767, like all boeing aircraft, has an "RTO" break setting which is maximum breaking
That ATC controller needs alot more training!!
Y como no entiendo lo k se dicen solo miró aviones peligrosamente moverse mejor dejo de ver despegues de aviones?
What was the reason? Why didn't the 767 do a turn and burn? Poor preparation? Just not ready?
I understand that in Canada only one AC may be cleared for a runway at a time. Maybe the U.S. should adopt this policy. Why wasn’t the 767 cleared for takeoff sooner? The MD-11 was 6 miles out when the 767 was told to line up and wait. Waiting until the MD-11 was two miles out to clear the 767 for takeoff sealed everyone’s fate: the MD-11 will cover that distance in well under a minute. And then the 767 just sat there. But even if the 767 had rolled with no delay, a go around likely would have been necessary.
This is just like the Southwest / FedEx go around / near miss at Austin. Both controllers in these two incidents get an F here. Southwest (Austin) and the 767 (here) both get an F for lack of situational awareness and taking too much time. FedEx (Austin) and the MD-11 (here) both get an A. At least somebody was paying attention during these two screwups.
We all make mistakes on the radio and in the cockpit, but these trends are ridiculous.
Controller messed up. Should not have both planes on same runway. Line up and wait wrong call. Should hold short until plane on final landed.
This was a big nothing. This happens everyday.
a) F-UPS took 10 seconds to start moving after cleared for take off
b) the controller F-up by not advising them of IMMEDIATE take off notice - 'cleared for IMMEDIATE take off'