Why are these so cheap?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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Crocodile Dundee: 'That's not a mic, THIS is a mic!....'
Finally a live version of Sandstorm
Nice
if i shut my eyes i preferred the Warm ribbon every time.
It is important to remember and use this info: BOTH ribbon and moving coil mics are dynamic mics. Moving coil is not the only type.
This is probably why many vintage microphones sound smoother than new ones: The capsules of all mics are static-electric, which in practice means; if you don`t cover up your mic after use, the capsule will literally be a dust magnet. The effect of this is not imidiately noticeable, but remember that the membrane of the capsules are extremely thin and light as feather and after 40years of use, the dust will actually put extra weight on the membrane. A heavier membrane will directly affect the mics ability to pickup high frequencies. Many vintage mics sounds smoother simply because the top end has been rollen off during years of use in studios with dust and cigarette smoke…
Interesging. Is this the same for tube mics?
@@xrabbz2010 absolutely
I've just read this a few days ago in "The recording's engineer handbook", by Bobby Owsinski. I would never f*ck1ng start a recording session without cleaning the studio room before. And of course, my mics will be stored after the sessions, too.
@theclaverman man... I really really start switching my mic off when I leave the studio... it's only been switched on constantly for the last 3 years 😂 thanks for the info 🙏
Years ago I managed to find a D19 for a good price on eBay. When I tried it it had no bass frequencies. The seller was honest, I sent it back and he refunded me the amount. I went looking around the web and apparently, in 2024, it is very difficult to find one without problems and restoring an old one is difficult and expensive, the technicians advise against it. So good job Warm Audio! I think I will get one soon.
Buy a D190, it’s the follow up and does the job the same but not so „sensitive“ to handle
At 4:16 those are some of the best sounding drums I have ever heard have worked over several decades of being an audio engineer.
That's exactly right. These Telefunkens sounds fantastic.
The fact is most passive ribbon mics are over-priced when you know what’s inside. You need to be careful assembling it, but there’s only three components : the ribbon itself, a magnet and a transformer.
Samar for the same price as the warm audio has the VL37 that has a near-flat frequency response while retaining that « smoothness ». And oh boy that proximity effect is nice.
I used that Warm 44 on all my vocals for my new record. Loved it!
My friend (who has the recording studio) decided to change the drum microphones to "ribbons" about two years ago. It was a lot of "don't hit them", The only SM57 left is close to the Hi-hat. Two of the "ribbons" are now above and under the snare and the new overheads are about middleheads. The recorded sound is different (in a good way).
Ribbon mics are like a little sheet of foil held tight by spring tensioned clamps, they can tear easily, hence the caution. I'm surprised they'd be used as close drum mics myself, seems risky.
I still prefer the tonal character of vintage mics quite a lot but Warm did a nice job, especially considering the price.
dark blue is a mood. the lighting looks nice on that rack back there
Those Warm Audio Mics sound amazing!
Ribbon mics had a hot minute about a decade ago. There were a few companies rebadging, hotrodding, and rewiring Alctrons and Apexes and selling them cheap. Cascade had a whole line, Groove Tubes had a pair designed by the late Aston Pittman, etc. Usually they added cinemags or lundahls and beefed them up significantly. Most of these companies have since faded away but there are a lot of these mics left on the secondhand market. And Royer and AEA now made some cheaper products.
SE have some cool new ones, Rhode do an active ribbon still in production. beyer, royer and coles still churning the classics.. OPR still delivering best bang for buck, some random russian dudes on eBay still making stuff.. 🤷♂
Don't forget NoHype Audio - that guy really delivers quality ribbon mics at an incredible price.
@@leopoldbluesky Oh yes! And there was ShinyBox that made some fantastic ones too. I think he's still around.
modern quality, vintage character/vibe - good balance between two worlds
Warm audio is a higher end class of behringer products. And I’m ok with that. Bringing musicians and producers good gear at an affordable price. I’d never be able to afford a ribbon mic. Btw their clones of the Roland jet phaser, klon and Zen drive pedals are really great.
I disagree. Warm presents themselves as higher end than Behringer, but under the hood I’d argue their quality control is actually worse. Behringer has come a long way, and actually owns their whole manufacturing chain, whereas everybody else is contracting out the manufacturing in China. Where warm probably wins is that they are a relatively small company and provide good support.
They sound great, any difference is within the error threshold of positioning.
Great comparison! I definitely prefer the Warm Audio Mic. On my big Genelecs Warm mic is absolutely amazing!! Thanks a lot..
Unfortunately the acoustic guitar test has them so far apart and aimed at very different sounding parts of the instrument
Agreed. Would have loved to see a take with them just swopped around and then compared with the same positions.
Having watched various A/B videos comparing the Warm mics to the originals......my thoughts are the same. More often than not the difference was so slight, that I could not justify spending hundreds or thousands more on the originals. Also, when there is an appreciable difference , (as you pointed out) it's not a matter of "better or worse", just different. When comparing to original RCA's, how well were they cared for, were the ribbons replaced at any point in their life??. No two RCA's will sound exactly alike, from my experience.
Bryce and the Warm team have really raised the bar for affordable recreations of the classics.
The vintage RCA is a little more bright
On the guitar, what's creating the stereo image? Double-tracking?
I was wondering the same thing :D
It was double tracked indeed
They sound great for the price, and I really wanted them to sound better than the Vintage but every clip I prefer the Vintage. I would probably get a Coles 4038 to achieve that smooth Vintage Ribbon Sound for the same price.
The real RCA seems a little more open in the midrange than the Warm Audio. They both sound great.
I did prefer the vibe and impact of the vintage, but that is more of a right out of a dry recording... there's a tiny bit of saturation that I like that you could add to the Warm mic's outputs... you could get the same with maybe just a little more clarity, whether that is good or not depends on the what suits the song... again, you can darken things in the signal chain or in mixing... it defiantly helped to be a lot more confident in these as possible options later
I bought this mic right away ! I love it !!
Warm not bad; Vintage for the win.
This is really great and valuable to do a direct comparaison with the original. Cool video. Would be great to see more like this if you can.I also like when you do reviews of hardware gear. I think you said you don't want to do too many cause your views are dropping when you do but at least I find them very interesting...Keep pushing
Vintage RCA more clear,cream de la cream feeling,Warm Audio,deep but also muddy.RME Fireface UCX II + Adam S3H.
Ok, you got me. Picking up the wa44 next week 😏
I definitely prefer the old one on the acoustic. It has really nice warm, more present sound. Feels like the guitar is in front of you. Maybe on the bass too, considering the instrument and the song type. Unfortunately it has more noise. The new mic has more modern sound, if I can say 'mix ready' like sounding, more pronounced actually. Might be better in some different use cases. It also has slightly more bottom edge than the old due to the old ribbon being stiff. The overheads, new ones win no doubt. Are these electrodynamic? That would make sense actually since the membranes deteriorate a lot with time. Ribbon mics are made of aluminum or titanium ribbon which doesn't deteriorate nearly as much.
What's the song name???
Good test, but if you included the AEA R44C you would have the complete comparison, and you wouldn't have to consider any issues regarding aging.
I liked the vintage recording better....
the rca one the warm has a really prominant resonance around 3k even on laptop speakers its extremely obvious the vitage one is way more balanced
Hey dawg, thinking it’d be a good time for you to review the unfairchild by Mixland think you’re guaranteed to love it
I actually prefer the slightly more ‘modern’ sound of the WA mics.
The problem with ribbon mics is if the take a bad knock.
I heard the slightest difference in the 44. Not smoother but maybe a touch warmer due to less top end? Maybe due to completely different magnets used plus aging of the original? The warm 44 was more like a brand new 44 might've sounded back in the day and that's a good thing. The other mic was just outstanding and no, I've no connection to the company. In summary,..I don't see how anyone could go wrong with warm's offerings after hearing your clips here. Impressive.
I still think both vintage mics sound better in a context (not solo). How much better? Not much.
44A is great for saxophone
Please make an Sphere DLX review/comparisson... I've always wondered if those worth it. :)
At $1000 USD, cheap is a relative term!
On bass the vintage was more defined and clear … warm was a muddy mess on bass
Well, that ribbon mic is way cheaper than the AEA R44 at least 🙃
Expensive Mics are the snake oil of audio engineers.
To finish the comment about the 44s on bass, the WA had an uncontrolled resonance that the RCA took care of beautifully. Do you agree?
very interesting to hear thanks WSS
4’55 phase issue on telefunken vintage solo stereo pair ?
I'd be curious to see you test and review a t.bone RB 500. $92 at Thomann.
I have a pair of these . And a pair of Cole’s 4038s , I had a very well known engineer in and A/B and he thought the Tbones were the Cole’s. Even said they were thicker warmer and had more detail 🤣🤣😂 nope wrong 😂😂🤣
@@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung That's awesome. I have one that I threw onto a Thomann order since I was already taking the hit on the shipping $$ to the US with some other stuff. I think it sounds good, but I honestly don't have much to compare it to, so that's interesting.
cheers, why do you use these distances on git and bass with ribbon microphones? i've never used them before and i'm wondering about the background
I’m not putting my ear that close to such instruments, so why put a microphone there?
On a more serious note, the recording room of Sound Vision Studio is massive, so it allows to use more distance when recording. This also avoids the problem of placement for the biggest part, when recording closer to the mic’s we where getting a sound difference because one mic was pointed at the sound hole and the other was pointed at the frets
How would that 1000$ microphone compare to the t.bone rb500? A ribbon for €99 😂
Nice. And what’s that cheese grater for?
To grate cheese? 🤔
It obviously makes cheese great.
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1000 for the ribbon is not cheap, sounds, for me a bit thin and to modern. You can buy a chead ribbon, change the ribbon and transformer for small amount and have a killer mic. Great review! love to see more ones like this.
am i poor, or it's just ain't cheap
I'm done...
The vintage sounded way more warm and beautiful the replica sounds tinty
these are good!
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im always suprised when people i watch like the warm audio stuff. i never think they sound good not even as a comparison just initial reaction. i dont know if its a quality thing or i dont like the tone they go for
Warm Audio is really good in making gear look like the original. But it is often low quality and often times it is a clear miss concerning the sound. Look at their API clones and their 1073 clone. A disaster. They are worse than Behringer.
£890 for a mic is "affordable", Native Instruments t-shirt, pushing Warm Audio gear . . . careful you don't turn into an industry advertising hoarding and lose your audience.
It is cheap compared to the real price which is ridiculously high
We’ll DUH no shit but $1000 isn’t affordable..
Usual clickbait bs..
PR tubers are everywhere
@@nicolemichlovsky2505 it is. IN COMPARISON TO THE REAL MIC
@@nicolemichlovsky2505 The other (Telefunken copy) mic in this comparison is $200. So, no, not clickbait bs
He poses for the thumbnails. A shocked look on his face, or a sceptical, or a confused, or an angry…. Etc. cringe.
What this guy calls "very affordable" and what I call affordable are not the same thing. I would except the term "relatively affordable" as in relative to similar products. But none of them are affordable to me.. lmfao. Poor people problems
Your point is well taken but yes, most things in life are relative. I thought the price wasn't a big deal until I looked up how much the AEA version of these mics are (over 4G).
why are you always yelling/shouting? calm down dude.
Energy
The Warm Audio sounds like all their other stuff, dull. Cheap components, cheap sound.
You’re telling me you hear a 5 thousand dollar difference between the warm 44 and a real one?
Cheap components? It's a ribbon mic, a magnet, a transformer and a strip of aluminum a couple of microns thick...
Sometimes the cheap components are simply the listener's ears and brain. General limitation and a lack of experiential learning of how to listen. Not to mention pattern recognition and short term memory. That plus squeezing this through youtube.
@@RJ1J it’s really people thinking more expensive is always better. To say that the warm 44 sounded like “crap” compared to the real one or the aea is just extremely disingenuous
WA-44 is bigger than my car 🛻
My ears must be shot cause they sound exactly the same to me…
Too many Priest and AC DC shows I guess…
They definitely sounded different to me.
I dunno what world you live in where a $1000 mic is “affordable” but I wish I lived there..
Seriously….