hi everyone! Thanks for the great comments, I'm so happy to hear everyone else's thoughts on this. I also wanted to add another comment I received on reddit that I thought was really interesting as well! " Hey! I watched your video essay. Here are my thoughts: First, I don’t want it to be put out there that everyone has this hatred towards Sachiko. It’s not a fair assessment nor should we speak for everyone. People may hate, dislike or have neutral feelings about her. But saying it’s everyone is not a good way to formulate argument. Even if you took a poll, said poll would have mixed results. Making the argument that everyone hates Sachiko come out baseless. For arguments like these wording is very important. For discussions like these I always try to come unbiased and willing to learn from said perspectives. Sachiko isn’t the worst person in Nana not by a landslide. Takumi takes that fucking cake wholeheartedly lol. The thing is, I don’t view Sachiko as the sole reason why things happened the way they did. She plays a part in this and should’ve stopped pursuing him. Here’s my main point: We don’t see them interact as much then outside of school and a few times alone together. It’s basically dualism, we’re seeing the beginning of Hachi’s and Shoji’s relationship just the only difference is, its Sachiko. Back in college Hachi and Shoji were just about the same in terms of how they interacted with each other. Shoji pursued Hachi back in college as much as Sachiko pursued him now in Tokyo. For Hachi’s and Shoji’s relationship. I think what really happened, is that Shoji really couldn’t take the heat. He couldn’t take the downs of relationships. He didn’t like the fact that Hachi was moving on with her life. Up until she moved to Tokyo it was just him, her and Jun and Kyosuke. And now Hachi has other people in her life. And as she should. She’s more than welcomed to. Shoji likes to run away from issues he doesn’t like dealing with or passing them off as if they’re nothing. Leaving Hachi alone in Tokyo, saying a guy and a girl can’t be just friends, and him enviably cheating on his girlfriend. And even after everything was said and done. He still tried to avoid Jun and Kyosuke. He also saw Sachi as a escape. That’s a big red flag. A person shouldn’t be used as a means to an end. He felt at peace with Sachi because he couldn’t deal with the stresses of his relationship. If he was falling out of love with Hachiko then he should’ve ended things. But he didn’t, instead the whole thing blew up in his face. And guess who lost in the end? Both Hachi and Sachiko. Cause now Hachiko has trust issues but also her own worse fears came to light. And Sachiko’s okay being with a man who cheated on his own girlfriend to be with her. What’s saddest is that Hachi didn’t receive her closure until very much later on. End result? In my opinion, no matter who Shoji is with he’ll want to find ways to escape from hard ordeals. We’ve seen this when Kyosuke confronts him, when Jun does, etc. Doesn’t matter who the person is, it’s just a matter of time before that hardship comes to pass. So I don’t agree that Sachi and Shoji are a better couple because they have mutual likes, in the same classes, the same school and major. Organically, that’s very hard to say. Because I would like to see more interactions between them that isn’t at work, school or the few times we saw them alone as I said. Sachi’s is almost like how Hachi used to be in college. Someone who was pursuing the same major, available, cute, short haired. It’s like night and day. Sachi had all these red flags appear right in front of her. And still yet she pursued him. It’s really just 50/50 Shoji should’ve stopped. And so did she. She got her grounding when she finally saw Hachiko. But even so, I didn’t really see any sorries said on Sachi’s part. Now I haven’t read the manga in full but if she was truly sorry. She would make that a point to Hachiko. For that reasoning, I still have a negative opinions of Sachiko. She was given the opportunity to apologize. Just how you discussed, Sachiko became real for Hachi and no longer an enigma girlfriend of Shoji’s. But now all Hachi has is this perception of Sachiko. The girl who took her boyfriend away. Hachi was humanized for Sachiko. And I think if they both allowed it Hachi would see the same for Sachiko. All say this too: because she was so determined to have Shoji it did become her plan to have him as her own. Even if it’s not written in the story but it’s more shown if anything. Illustrated throughout the story. I think she was wearing her heart on her sleeve. So yes, I can see your opinion. Sachiko isn’t the worst… Takumi and Reira are. I can deal with Jun, I can deal with Sachiko even. But I can’t deal with Takumi and Reira. They are wolves and sheep’s clothing. What speaks louder than volumes is that Sachiko is more mature and is able to communicate and deal with hard issues better than Shoji. Because of that I just feel they just don’t work together organically either. I just wish that she is able to realize that Shoji isn’t it. No guy is worth being with if they are willing to cheat in order to be with you. "
Ehhh-- igg the hunter becomes the hunted,, imm guessingg itss mostlly causee shes the one who "took shoji away from hachi" BUTT SHOJII FUCKINNGG PURSUEDD THISS SHITT
@@OTOOO.MASHI_YUNAAII38n2 Tbh i think that idea is very wrong, it happens a lot in real life too, the idea that you have to “fight for ur man” or wtv… if someone cheated on me i would never take them back lolol especially in hachis case shoji was an asshole
I didn't realize people hated Sachiko. Sleeping with another girl's boyfriend was wrong, but what she did was nowhere near as bad as what Shouji did. Shouji pretended to not have a girlfriend, had an emotional affair, proceeded to a physical affair, and then tried to justify his actions! Sachiko isn't innocent, but at least she tried to set boundaries when she found out he had a girlfriend.
Yeah, she set boundaries so low that she can easily pass them whenever she wanted. She knew he was in a relationship, but still she got physical with that Shoji. I am not justifying Shoji but I do think they both were equally guilty.
@@ENGCS_YukthaTD honestly I don’t remember what I thought when I made this video but recently I’ve come to the same belief as you. Like he is weird with Hachi later on, and I kind of wonder if he would have cheated on sachi if Hachi had wanted to. He says something like “but I’m having so much fun with you” when talking to Hachi. I don’t know if we are meant to interpret that as him saying he would be friends with her again or …more? Maybe it isn’t that deep and I am just reading into it too much? I know though from experiences I won’t get into that it is possible to do what Shouji did then never cheat on the “Sachiko” of the situation. So who really knows?
Shouji is the problem more than Sachiko. But also, Nana hooked up with a married man and I kind of feel like her being the one getting cheated on and learning how it feels was an important lesson for her. Wish she had learned to set emotional boundaries afterwards instead of then getting married to a cheater :/ don't think we'll ever get that happy ending for the characters
I thought the same. Sachiko was a lot like Nana, both were young and naive falling for someone they shouldn't have. The only difference is that Sachiko actually seemed more to feel bad about what she did. She also took responsibility for it.
I don't believe that it was Hachi's fault for seeing Asano just as it wasn't Sachiko's fault. Foremost we have to remember that Hachi was a minor back then while Asano was 40 years old don't think I have to explain more... 😅
@@justsomegirlwithamoustachei think it was Sachiko's fault. maybe not at the beginning of their relationship. but sachiko knew shouji had a gf and still sleep with his multiple times. but only tried to end their relationship after she met nana. but then forgot about that and got back with him after they broke up.
PERIOD! Besides, Sachiko didn't really have much to add to the plot other than being the side chick Shouji cheated on Hachi with. Plus me personally, Sachiko was pretty much forget and bland
Yeah I kind of thought that too, but so many people seem to really really hate her. Although I’ve had a lot of people coming forward saying that Takumi is worse so maybe not as many people despise her as I thought/think? I think more people hated her when I was originally reading these manga than now.
@@AislingBlack personally I do think that takumi is the true antagonist of the story, but in regards to soji cheating on nana with sachiko I think most of the blame is on soji even though sachiko knew about nana.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr literally what are you talking about, “disregarded his dreams and wishes”? Also how was nana ever “not nice” to soji, her first full day in Tokyo was spent cleaning his house top to bottom and cooking him a homemade dinner. I don’t remember how long it was specifically but she was saving up forever just so she could move to Tokyo to be with him. I literally can not think of one truly cruel thing she did to soji (don’t re bring up her and her boss cause having a crush on someone is not the same as literally starting a whole other relationship on the side). How is anyone to blame but the person who actively started having a full fledged romantic relationship with their coworker? Soji was literally in two separate relationships at the same time, I blame sachiko because she was actively aware that soji was in a long term committed relationship for several years. Nana being groomed into a sexual relationship with a fully grown 30 something year old business man while she was in high school is nowhere comparable to soji cheating with a coworker who was literally in the same grade as him. If nana started having romantic feeling for someone else, i.e her boss, because she was actively being cheated on and not receiving the affection and love that comes from a healthy relationship, I’m not gonna blame her. In real life and in fiction, the only person to blame for your own actions is yourself. The fact that you think nana is the villain in this situation, and the justification that you used (“she’s not nice” “she disregarded his dreamed and wishes”🤨???) is really convincing me you’re some sort of incel or something, which confuses me even more cause why are you watching a show like nana if this is you’re take (a blatantly wrong and detached that is reeking of projection) on the matter.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr also she chose takumi because she literally idolized him as an untouchable celebrity who she was a massive fan of and he literally swooped in right when her life was going to shit (he was also extremely abusive and the entire reason why hachi and nana o weren’t able to see each other), not because he saw the “true her” or whatever it is you’re convinced is happening. People see nana as good because she’s literally a sweet and kind person, not because she’s putting on some ruse personality that other people were naively being fooled by. The show literally starts by showing us her main flaws (obsession with romance\being in loved/in love and attempted people pleasing to the point of hurting herself i.e starving herself to the point of passing out because she thinks that it will make her more desirable.)I truly don’t understand how someone could watch nana in its entirety and come to the conclusion that hachi was the problem when it was quite literally just her desire to be loved and the abusive men who continued to cycle through her life and use her before leaving or cheating or baby trapping her. The way you so easily villainize nana instead of the very obviously written red flags that are her love interests makes it very clear how you feel about women, cause it really doesn’t matter is she truly was the purest person in the world, you would still try and find some flimsy way to shift the blame onto her for the abuse that the men in her life inflict. You’re delusional.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr what were soji dreams if you don’t mind telling me? His ass worked at a restaurant as a waiter and that was it, I don’t ever remember hearing about these “hopes and dreams” (aside from when he piggy backed right off of Junes news that she was going to Tokyo to go to art school) that you’re so set on believing were ignored by nana so consistently that it’s parallel to being cheated on. Soji didn’t care that nana wanted to go to Tokyo with him, he was upset that that’s ALL she had planned for herself, what he wanted was for her to have her own ambitions that weren’t fully dependent on her friends. None of these things are anywhere equal to cheating.
I want to say that Hachi and Shouji’s relationship wasn’t great. I thought that their relationship was awkward and there was no connection and chemistry between them. Throughout their relationship, neither Shouji or Hachi told each other that they loved each other. I personally didn’t like them as couple and I am glad they broke up.
Yes, the point I was trying to make by bringing this up, which I wish I had been more clear about, is many people act like Sachiko was a homewrecker and that is why the relationship failed. She is a homewrecker, yes, but also that relationship was on the rocks already, so while I understand it is terrible what they did to Hachi, I don't understand some fan's attachment to the relationship? not all fans, just a few that are very vocal :P I think it's kind of easy to see Shouji doing this as the beginning of trouble for Hachi, but I think she was in trouble before that.
I think your thoughts mirror mine perfectly. This is an adult series where things are more complicated than "A did a bad thing to B because they're evil". People get mad that Shouji and Sachiko never got any comeuppance but yeah that is life sometimes, people cheat and can pretty much go about their lives. I think what's even more regrettable is that the loneliness and insecurity this whole episode put into Hachi basically pushed her into Takumi's arms.
Man I remember reading this as a teen and being absolutely heartbroken for Hachi and Sachiko, but also being mad at Sachiko for proceeding even after she finds out. I'm always of the opinion of the cheating partner is the worst offender, but the affair partner that knows that someone has a bf/gf/spouse/etc. and still chooses to go along with cheating is awful also. Doesn't matter if they don't know the other person, or the relationship 'appears' like it's on the rocks, these are really bad justifications. There is a reason that the cheater is doing what they are doing, whether they get some kind of pleasure from it or they are just not emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship, and its rare that a cheater changes their ways. I've known so many folks that think, they're cheating with me because it's true love, but end up crushed when they get cheated on later also. If the third person had no idea, that's a different story at that point they're victims too. But I've seen more people justifying going after someone that is married or in a relationship lately, saying, "well it's not my relationship" and it just seems really sad to me. Either way, love seeing Nana content, I'm with you that I hope that Yazawa can finish this series someday. It was way ahead of its time and is one of the greats.
I agree it's that the things you mentioned are shitty justifications. The kind of terrible thing that really makes me disrespect what Sachiko did, even more, is that as far as we see on screen, Shouji never actually says his relationship with Hachi is going south. Maybe he does offscreen but who knows. It's even worse to me if it's possible the relationship the person has with the other person in the triangle isn't even that bad. Like for all Sachiko knew she was breaking up a relationship that works. and that seems so much worse. About cheaters, as I get older I find that many people do this when they are young (myself included, I cheated on two long-term boyfriends when I was about Shouji's age, one a semi-happy relationship that I simply grew out of, the other a very abusive one ...but I have been with my husband for a very long time now and I have never and will never cheat on him or anyone again. I like to think I have grown from the shitty things I did, but I have never been "the other woman" so I've never been in Sachiko's shoes.) The older I get the less common it becomes, but it does still happen and I do know serial cheaters though not many, so I guess my opinion is, most people do mature as they get older and leave relationships in a responsible way. But this is just my experience, it may not reflect the actual truth. So this video could contain bias I have due to what I have experienced, I'm really glad you told me your thoughts on this, sometimes I get very insulated from the outside world and I need a refresher that my experience is simply one facet in the reality we all share. I really value your commenting, thank you so much. Maybe one day we can get the ending we all want for this series. Have you read Neighborhood Story? I would recommend it if you haven't and liked Nana, it's not quite as dark as Nana gets, but it's very well-written I think too. :D
I love Nana because the characters are so well written. Nobody on this story is 100% good or bad. We don't like Sachiko because we see the story through Hachi's eyes, but we have to remember that she also cheated with a married man. Even if she was a minor, and of course the fault is on Asano, Hachi was not much younger than Sachiko when those events happened. I still don't like Sachiko, but Shoji is definitely much worse than her. I kind of feel sorry for her too, because Shoji confesses later on the series that if he keeps being friends with Hachi, he might cheat on Sachiko as well. Furthermore, I don't think Sachiko or Hachi are the worst on this story. That title is absolutely for Takumi and Reyra. They should be in prison :)
I know a lot of people hate Junko, but I have to say that she does make sense sometimes. When she was visiting Hachi the day after she broke up with Shouji, Junko told Hachi that there were problems between her and Shouji before Sachiko appeared and she was 100% correct on that. There was a lot of miscommunication between Hachi and Shouji, and both parties kept on denying each other to spend time with each other. Whenever Shouji offered to spend time with Hachi, she will always turn him down and she would rather spend time with Nana and the other band mates of blast. Even Hachi forgot about Shouji. Hachi was emotionally unavailable to Shouji, she found her independence and she became distant and cold towards him as well. I personally didn’t think that Shouji wanted Hachi to be independent, I just think he wanted her to stop being childish and overbearing. Sachiko on the other hand, was emotionally available toShouji at the time and that’s why they both hit it off well. Shouji liked the fact that Hachi needed him and he also liked the fact that she relied on him, when Hachi came to Tokyo, she didn’t need him anymore and that hurt Shouji big time. Even Kyusuke said that Nana stopped fitting into Shouji’s ideal type and he didn’t like that.
Yes, I think that Shouji's hurt "pride" or "feelings" or whatever you want to call it had a big influence on everything. He gets along well with Sachiko because she is easy for him. She is just there and able to be with him all the time, work and schoolwise. Plus it makes me so mad he was angry with Hachi for friendzoning him before they date. Like dude, have some chill.
Junko, Kyusuke and Yasi are the most mature characters in the series. I remember even as a little kid reading this story and thinking "I need more people like them in my life" -- yes, their realism can be a downer, but they're the ones who will tell you things like it is because they care.
@milkflavored ehh sometimes. I loved her when they were in that co ed art school but I felt she didn't encourage Hachi much. Hachi needs a realistic perspective, but she also needs encouragement in her own abilities. The only way I ever overcame my shortcomings was because I built confidence in overcoming them. After she sided with Shoji, it was just downhill. While Nana wasn't treating Shoji as she should've, trying to explain that to her the morning after the incident was just....so LOW. And Jun never really reprimanded Shoji much at all. Just, ick. I'm glad she recognizes later on that she shouldn't jump straight to giving people advice when she doesn't know the whole story.
Sorry for replying after such a long time, but even if they had problems in their relationships, that doesn’t justify shoji cheating. Also, Nana just got cheated, broken up by someone she loved so badly, it’s not the time to tell her about what wrong she did in the relationship, junko shoukd have been consoling her best friend had she cared for her .
@@Anonymous-gu5ch except for nana they all pushed hachi self esteem so low, and then acted mean and shocked when she acted like a person with low self-esteem. No wonder she ended up with takumi
The worst that they both end up together at the end and all fair and square, like no karma or something - for example shouji cheats again, as he thinks it’s normal
Shouji was worst for it, Sachiko was guilty too but Shouji didn’t shut it down. Though, they are so brief in the grand scheme of Nana’s events, and really their affair got the ball rolling for everything so in a way it’s not as major feeling as everything else that happens. Reira is not a good person, she has her struggles yes, but she slept with a literal child (Shin) and behaved questionably and immaturely. Takumi was truly a terrible person, treating nearly everyone poorly, even Hachi the mother of his child and wife who he emotionally abusive to and cheats on. He also isn’t really a part of his daughters life. Hachi self destructed a lot in the series and it can be partly attributed to the affair with Shouji and Sachiko, but she stayed immature and didn’t learn until it was too late and she was pregnant. She is a good mother and really grew into a more mature and thoughtful person beyond her own wishes. It’s sad that that it what she had to go through to get to that point, both Nanas are sad figures in this way. I hope one day we get a resolve to the story and the characters get happier endings then we have at the moment but I think it is really an manga and anime that can teach a lot to it’s audience even if we never get a fulfilling ending.
EXACTLY. Sachiko cannot and SHOULD NOT be compared to the other levels of evil that the other characters portray. Sachiko to an extent should be held responsible for her part in Shoji cheating on Nana, but at the end of the day SHOJI is was the one in the relationship. It's promoting the mindset of competition between girls when in fact the REAL ISSUE was Shoji's lack of loyalty. Sachiko is over hated in my opinion and while she's not a great character, she shouldnt be held nearly on the same level as Takumi. Cause come on we all know what he did
I also think the people who hate Sachiko are probably projecting because they have been cheated on and focus their anger on "the other woman", but that's just a theory.
i kinda wished we saw her perspective, we saw glimps about her feeling when she meet hachi and really get that she's " the other woman" but that was very short lived. Also I hate how realisitic it is that they end up happy togerther. If you get cheated on you pray for them to fail, because peoples who hurt you so much doesn't deserve to be happy togerther you know, it feel unfair, yet that exactly how it goes and that hurt like hell. I also don't like how hachi and shoji have a "nice talk" when them see each other later. It feel so wrong, i know why and how it happen because hachi's personality is like that... but i just wanted a small moment where we really comdempt shoji's action, all the time it's treated as a thing that happen and not like a trahison. The only person in hachi's friend group to really act appropriately is Nana, even hachi end up down playing it. Maybe later in the story, the blast member would get angry, since they weren't that close during the event, but in a way no one stood up for her but Nana, i would also become dependent to Nana if she was my only friend to fight for me.
I agree Nana was a better friend in this situation. I think Nana was the perfect friend for Hachi, tough when she had to be, but she really deeply loves Hachi. I hated the "nice talk" too.
Great video! While cheating is bad, Sachiko and Shouji are no where near the worst characters in the series. Be that in terms of their own actions or the reader/watcher viewing these characters in the lens of their own morals. In the grand scheme of things they are small potatoes. Potential spoilers for anime only fans but this series has: 1. Takumi who forces himself onto Hachi and also somewhat strings Reira along. 2. Ryoko who runs a sex trafficking ring with underage boys. 3. Misuzu who abandons not one but two of her families! 4. Narita who supplied Ren with drugs. 5. Search Magazine's staff being paparazzi. Also we as fans often overlook the fact that while Shin is told to stop smoking because he is underaged, just about every smoker continues to smoke in front of him. Same with drinking and this continues after they have confirmation he is underaged. In regards to Junko not telling Hachi, I can understand that with Junko knowing how emotional Hachi is not wanting to tell her. And I see people calling Junko a bad friend in general, but when you have a friend with self destructive habits like Hachi, how much can you actually do to help them without becoming overbearing/controlling?
Yeah fair about junko, but her saying it was hachi's fault that shoji cheated on her was terrible, fuck being a "mediator" she was basically blaming hachi for something instigated by shoji
Both Shoji and Sachiko were in the wrong. Nobody did more bad than the other. Shoji literally tried to pretend he didn’t have a girlfriend, had two affairs with her, and etc. Sachiko knew Shoji had a girlfriend yet she still went after him and tried to help him hide it from his girlfriend. Both are equally in the wrong, maybe if Sachiko didn’t know Shoji had a girlfriend, I would’ve hated her less.
I enjoyed this, I havent actually seen NANA myself but I know of it and I like hearing about it. I hate when people blame the person someone cheated with than the person who was the cheater like they were the one in the relationship
It's interesting how the qualities of Hachi that Shoji found so annoying are the same qualities that endeared her to a new friend group in Nana and Blast. Shoji was afraid to be honest with Hachi and himself about the things that he wanted. Sachiko could have never tempted Shoji if he truly valued what he had with Hachi.
The only thing I find problematic about anime in general, and Nana in particular, is the fandom that hates random characters. There are no heroes or villains here, just real people with their own flaws. The plot shows their actions, motives behind them and consequences, and the point of the story is that you have to understand them, not hate them, in order to make the right life choices. The fact that people hate Sachiko is ridiculous. She's an uninteresting character, and that's fine considering she has almost no screen time, but there's nothing in the anime that says she's a bad person. She's not a huntress, she's just a girl who found her mate and didn't let him go. In fact, she may be the only character in this story who seems to have made the right life choices for herself (also Junko and Kyosuke, I almost forgot about them). She didn't know anything about Shouji relationships with the other girls, and Shouji had to decide for himself what to do about them. Obviously, Shouji and Nana were a bad couple from the start, and it was only a matter of time before they broke up. They weren't even a real couple. At first, Nana pretended to be just a friend, and as soon as they decided to be together, he moved to Tokyo. He waited a year for her, then she came to him before he was ready, and even Nana herself quickly realised that she annoyed him, and that was long before he even met Sachiko. When Shouji finally dumped Nana he did it very badly, everything was wrong about that, but that's only because he himself was too inexperienced and insecure, felt sorry for Nana and didn't know what to do. It's not like he did it on purpose. Also a lot of people hate Nana, which I don't understand either. It's just the way she is. She gradually learnt from her mistakes and eventually matured - that's life. When Sachiko met Nana, she immediately decided to pull away and told Shouji about it, but in the end she couldn't do it. We also have the opposite case: Yasu loves Nana Osaki, but suppresses his feelings and instead tries to fix her relationship with Ren, which leads to nothing good. He did it for Nana's sake, but is it really best for her? And is it really best for everyone? Eventually, even Nana herself starts to get frustrated that Yasu, the man she gradually realised she really wanted, isn't responding to her. Yasu actually did what Sachiko didn't do, but is that really for a better? Who knows. It's not about the right answers, it's about the choices we make, and every choice has consequences that are difficult or even impossible to foreseen. And now a few words about Layla. When I read the description, I thought she was some female version of Takumi, but it turned out to be quite the opposite. Shin is 15, but he claims he is 18, and he already had much more experience with the opposite sex than she did, he was literally a pro in dealing with women (he was paid for it and had a harem of sorts). Layla knew he's actual age, but the age of consent in Japan at that time was 13, so it was not a crime, period. And Layla was just a lonely and insecure girl, suffering from unrequited love for years and on the verge of a breakdown. It was more like he was using her, then the opposite. I expected her to do something horrible in the last few episodes, but she didn't, and I'm still not sure if she did something bad in the manga - something that justifies all the hate for her. Sure, she's not okay, she's selfish and a bit of a narcissist, but she's more of a broken person than a villainess. It seems like a lot of people who like "Nana" lack empathy, and that's a little scary. The same can be said for other anime. But manga and anime creators usually don't disappoint me in that sense, and that's why I love anime in the first place.
This is a very great video and you made a lot of good points. It is very sad that a lot of fans hate Sachiko and they blamed her for the cheating, but she is not to blame (I mean she is partly to blame but not really). Shouji is 100% to blame on all of this! Shouji had a girlfriend the whole time when he was flirting and hanging out with Sachiko and he should have never been hanging out and spending time with her at all. Also, he should have set boundaries with Sachiko but he just chose not to do which is messed up.
I think Shouji not telling Sachiko he had a girlfriend was really the biggest problem. So yes, boundaries would have been good. I kind of feel sorry for Sachiko, but you are right, she was partly to blame as well.
Sachiko is just a flawed human being making mistake like most of the charachters in this manga. And shouji is the one that was involved and should have put boundaries in the first place. She did a terrible thing but considering everything the characters do to each other in this manga she doesn't deserve that much hate.
Yes that's the thing, so many characters in this are written to be grey. I'm so happy people don't seem to hate her as much as they used to. I think though that it is amazing how, *human* the characters in this anime/manga are
She was a fool , i really hate shoji but i always just felt pity for her,and yes later Shoji showed that he didn't change a bit and was willing to also betray her :'(
Watching this video does make sense in a way still I can't help but hate both Shoji & Sachiko, (whenever their is a small clip of them together I immediately skip it) but Shoji is mostly to blame since he's too much of a whimp to admit that he isn't happy with Hachi and should've ended things with her, yea it may hurt her feelings but its better than him cheating on her, his character is much of a cowardly persona, I am glad Kyoske called him out on it, I wouldn't be friends someone like Shoji honestly. Sachiko on the other hand she seems too nice but also selfish she knows what she was doing is wrong and still does it anyway because her feelings gets the best of her, she only thinks for herself when she defended Shoji. Watching this video makes me think that we're all humans and can't help but has selfish desires or feelings for someone even if they're unavailable. I'm not excusing Sachiko's actions what she did was wrong and wouldn't encourage people to do what she did. Honestly I would stay away from people like Sachiko, I don't know why but thats just me. I think the reason why people hate Sachiko in the end she has Shoji and they both have a happy ending, fandoms weren't satisfied with their ending, even I wasn't satisfied as well I didn't like how the two of them got away with it no consequences of their actions. And I agree with you on Sachiko not being the bad person but Takumi and Reira they are the evil villians in the story. Mostly Takumi.
Y’all so scared of real feelings omg. Reira wasn’t a “groomer”, the difference between her and Shin’s age is like 5 years and he was a mature one by his character, while she was an infantile girlie. They matched together and cold bitches can’t understand the depth of love in their pairing.💁🏻♀️
@@onthesideof4 huh...NO. Reira is EIGHT fucking years older than Shin. And no, he's not "a mature one". Shin was forced to get by in life, to become an adult earlier because his family wouldn't care if he was dead or alive, and Reira wasn't "an infantille girlie", she ACTED like that. Shin was a victim to her "sad girl who just wants attention of the man she loves" behaviour and ended up forgetting about himself and prioritizing Reira's feelings (which Reira does not seem to give zero fucks). There is depth in their relationship, but it's extremelly problematic calling it "love" without considering their age. So... stop it and GET SOME FUCKING HELP!!!
@@enyaiasmim Omg, so offended you are by my simple words. Don’t know any better, baby? Reira isn’t psychologically intelligent enough to grow up mentally. It’s always presented in the story of Nana, it’s where Reira’s codependence with her lovers start and where you can acknowledge that her ignorance of other’s personal boundaries started. In simple words, she does see and feel herself as a misery and a love-fool that need a company. Her being attracted to Shin was not her being a “predator pdfile”, but a soul that aches for another soul to understand and be hers. To judge her… you have to be her, to have and make her feelings your own, you can’t look at her and make harsh judgment, cause she’s not that type of a person to be judged.
@@onthesideof4 gurl, whatever. You're just trying to make amends for her, I never said she is a pedophilic monster, but her relationship with Shin is problematic whether you like it or not.
I remember crying out of anger, pain and frustration when Shoji cheated. Like, i genuinely hated him with my soul, not to justify Sachiko obviously but HE was the one who cheated!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS THE ONE TO BLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, i agree Juno was a horrible friend as well
At first i hated Sachiko for coming between Hachi and Shoji, but that was i was a teenager. Now that i'm in my 20s all of my hate goes to Shoji. Nothing justifies cheating on your partner. And the one thing that kinda pisses me off : he expected Hachi to have found a job, an apartment one day after she arrived at Tokyo! Like, he brings her down just for wanting to stay at his place and enjoying his company! I get he wants her to be independent, but dude, she just arrived!! Give her time to adapt to the big city!!! And he only asked Nana to stay with him AFTER she got an apartment, and got insecure when she started to be independent, even though that's exactly what he pushed her to do!! The math doesn’t math. They weren’t a good match for one another. I really hope for Sachiko that Shoji doesn’t find someone else (once a cheater, always a cheater).
also people forget that Hachi was also in the same situation as Sachiko with Asano and both girls don't feel hatred towards each other, Sachiko even complimented her in her mind and thought she is pretty
That's what makes her interesting. She seems like a person who wouldn't happily be an affair partner. Its a lot of small things adding up to her doing something wrong. She not a good person for not backing off but Shoji holds more of the blame.
Yeah it is interesting. To be fair I was kind of basing what I saw people saying about 7-8 years ago in the fandom about Sachiko. And now I find people aren’t as United in the fact that they hate Sachiko. I think that’s a good thing and I wonder if the fan base has just gotten older and that’s why people are more forgiving of Sachiko. Getting re-introduced to the Nana fandom has actually been awesome and I love the care everyone has and the thought they have put into what they think of the series! 💗
@@AislingBlack The fandom getting older has changed the overall fandom opinions about certain characters. Its interesting seeing a affair partner not just demonized (Like Hachi's imagined version of Sachiko).
I've never hard anyone say they hated her this video being recommended is the first time I even heard someone talk about her, if anyone hates somebody it's 100 percent takumi
Sorry I mixed up comments when responding. Yeah I feel like most fans now don’t hate her so much. But when the anime first came out it seemed like every single person I saw hated Sachi so much! That was a while ago and also I was pretty you g so Im wondering if I got the wrong impression. This was also before the series manga stopped and it was only in Japanese. I think the fandom has really grown up a lot from that point and everyone (including me) are a little more forgiving. I kind of blinked out of the Nana fandom for 7ish years, so I think this idea I had of everyone hating her is a little outdated. Or I just had the wrong impression about it? All the comments I get, even those disagreeing with me have been lovely and I’ve really enjoyed them. Anyways yes Takumi, maybe Reira I think they are the real “villains” of the series if I was forced to choose one. I think I got the idea about people hating Sachiko mostly from comments on old UA-cam videos and forum discussions.
I think what makes people mad about Sachiko and Shoji is that they never felt actual regret... And that's fucking disgusting! We all know Shoji is trash (and honestly I just want him to have a terrible and shitty life) and even tho Sachiko is not the worst, that "regret" she felt after meeting Hachi doesn't last. As soon as Hachi finds out about them, they just move on like a couple of love birds. And that's when I think people got violent. But don't forget people: Shoji, Junko, Kyosuke, Takumi and Reira are the real villains! FUCC THEM!
Honestly, when I watched the show , I totally disliked almost all the characters, but it's still such a fun watch! The author did a great job creating tons of drama 😂😅
First of all, shouji from the moment he was introduced was a red flag. Second I hate sachiko, I hate them both. But they deserve each other cos they both cheated. He's a coward and she likes men like that. LOL
Honestly, I thought Shouji was terrible from the beginning too. He has such "nice guy" vibes. As for Sachiko, she's just like meh to me. I don't hate her, but I don't like her either.
I'm only 70% through the anime so I don't know EVERYTHING but I think the fact that Sachiko is initially kind of an escalation of a joke makes the fact that she actually does end up going for the steal a bit jarring because you probably don't expect at the very least she's going to be the one to do it. But yeah, she's kinda dishonorable for that but I don't think she's the worst or anything close. Shoji should have just said no or broken things off with Nana, she moved far away and left her whole life behind for him, after that you just don't do someone that way.
Honestly, Hachi wasn’t any better in that aspect. She hooked up with a man that was married, she went with Takumi while still being Nobus girlfriend as well. Sachiko is the same isn’t she? Now, I’m not saying Sachiko doesn’t have fault she does but like you said, Shoji is the real one to blame and to hate on. I hated that mf like crazy
@kain_go yes you can and should hold sachiko accountable. She's an adult. She made that decision consciously. Nana was a literal child , who got taken advantage of. Comparing them is messed up
@@menot1 I stand by what I said that she was aware of it and also deserves to be blamed, even if I didn’t compare them Hachi would still not be better than Sachiko lol.
This is why I love the show because it becomes more realistic and darker as it goes on. Also, I love that the author gives you all the toxic relationships that you SHOULD stay away from, which is a great lesson for young adults. Anyway, I feel like it’s both Sachiko and Shouji’s fault. First of all, Sachiko could’ve ask if he has a girlfriend before getting into the relationship. Second, Shouji seems insecure just because he didn’t want to hurt Hachi doesn’t mean that he has the right of.. not talking to her. Like if you want purse the other woman more then he should break up with Hachi. Honestly, him and Hachi aren’t compatible with each other because they both wants something different in life (as far as I know), so I’m glad they broke up. Also, Hachi deserves someone else better then Takumi because she went through a lot of abuse and trauma when it comes to her relationship. 😭😭
I pity Sachiko. Ig, she wasn’t sure that Shojo would be with her if she would ask him straight in his face why is he acting the way he does. She wasn’t old enough to figure her morals and self-worth yet.😢 I blame both of them.
Sachiko did NOT cheat. She wasn’t in a relationship with anyone. Shoji is the only one who cheated. I don’t think I’ll ever like her, but I know I’ll always HATE Shoji. 😑
Pero ella sabía que él estaba en una relación y se paseaba por su casa con la ropa de Shoji pero con cargo de conciencia, lo que creo es que es una niña muy inmadura que no sabía lo que hacía y para mí fue un shock desagradable que terminaran siendo una parejita feliz, fue bastante repugnante la verdad, Nana sufrió mucho como para que Sachiko terminara siendo novia del tratado. Pero Soji principalmente era muy inmaduro pero un completo imbécil y tenía el descaro cuando se reencontró con Nana de decirle que no quería volver a enamorarse de ella estando con Sachiko, o es un gilipollas o es un chulo sin carisma de mucho cuidado. Pero ambos a mi parecer son igual de culpables porque como dicen en si pueblo, la culpa es tanto del que mata a la vaca como del que le amarra la pata
Agree with all the points. I thouht only think that way. Shouji is much worse than Sachiko....I mean his beahaviour towards Nana K is not something you can just get away with...an al so why when cheating is the girl problem but not the men who actually cheated on his lover?
According to me, both Shoji and Sachiko were almost equally at fault, but Shoji more. Shoji betrayed his girlfriend who did so much for him and then proceeded to cheat. Sachiko knew Shoji has a gf and is interested in her, yet she didn’t stop. Although at the end, I felt like Sachiko knew she did wrong and felt guilty yet she couldn’t stop this guilty pleasure. While Shoji fuck 🙄 I have no wish to talk about that dude
Reira might be a weak person for wanting Takumi for herself, but she was nowhere as bad as people paint her. It’s like throwing the world pedophile at anyone who likes a minor without considering the context of relationships is trendy now… ew.
I never dug myself into fandom discourse, so it came as a surprise that people hate Sachiko so much. For me, her character was neutral, even likable a bit and not because I hate Hachi or something (in fact, I like her character!). I think Shouji was the main wrongdoer here, he encouraged Sachiko and was too coward to break up with Hachi. I didn't understand why he and Junko criticized Hachi so much, I think they all were just fake friends for her. My most hated character from the series has to be Takumi. There were several points in the story where I wished I could beat him up.
I loved this analysis. I don’t condone what Sachiko and Shoji did. They were at fault 100% But I always thought Sachiko wasn’t the worst too. Also people bashing on her character design isn’t fair, she’s a cute character. Every character in Nana has their faults. I personally like Junko, she’s my favourite in this whole anime, but the fandom is divided on her too. It is what it is.
I agree, I kind of wish I had touched on this point a little more obviously. Interestingly I find that the modern fans of Nana vs. the ones I interacted with more when I first read the series seem a little more normal and forgiving of the situation...I think attacking a woman's looks and personality (when it's not super problematic in any way) also wreaks of misogyny, and sometimes I see that happen with Sachiko.
@@AislingBlack i've seen a lot of nana fans blaming sachiko and making fun of her looks and personality (recently). even comparing her to layla (who is a literal pedophile), takumi (who is a disgusting abuser) and, obviously, shoji. i don't know if i just have bad luck or something but i think i haven't come across a lot of people who don't think really really badly of sachiko gdjwbdje i'm really happy every time i do tho, so i'm glad there's people here who see that she's not a terrible person and don't put that much blame on her jwbdje
I think they both were equally guilty. He was already in a relationship, and she knew he was in a relationship. Also, I hated Hachi and Junko because Junko tried to justy what Shoji did to Hachi and Hachi just fell for everyone, in their bed. People like her character but she was a definitely irresponsible with her choices, making others hurt. Takumi and Reira were straight up predators. Takumi being the the most hated character by me as she slowly manipulated Hachi. Nana was probably the most neutral character, she had her flaws and had her rights. Nobuo, he was written as unlucky as he could have. He fell in love with someone who didn't even know how to have safe sex and ended up being pregnant too young. But since the guy was Takumi, a certified predator, she decided to stay with him. Ren, well, he was just an average guy. Yasu, was, of all, the best. What else I can say.
Honestly hating Sachiko for me is jokingly hating. It's like this inside joke in the nana community but some people truly hate her more than shoji. I wouldn't like the woman that my bf was cheating with if she knew he had a gf either but still Shoji is the real problem
she isn't the worst that title belongs to shoji he is the definition of the nice guy after all this years he still gets on my nerves. He pined after her for years pretending to be her friend, then get mad at her for not picking him even though he had made no move on her and then after she agrees to be with him he left and insisted on having a long term relationship ,there was no reason for nana to stay behind for a year he made her feel stupid for wanting to come with out passing the exam and only because the friends were going but he did the exact same thing, the hypocrisy . when she finally got to Tokyo he freaked out because she hadn't find a job or apartment in her first day there, even though he told his friends he wanted to marry her then proceeds to get mad she has a different life than him even though he asked her to like wtf men talk about bipolar behavior in truth he just didn't want her from the moment they got together his actions speak louder than his words
Agreed. I think the only reason he is above Takumi for me is Takumi forced Hachi to sleep with him. I just think Shouji is a weirdo and kind of a creep.
@@AislingBlack technically Takumi is the worst ( it pains me because apart from Nana.K he is my favorite ) but its vary obvious that he is a bad guy and a walking red flag, while shouji is mascara ting as a good / caring guy
@@iria871 Agreed, at least Takumi is more honest about who he is. They are each manipulative in very different ways I think. Takumi is so well written. Nana K is my favorite too.
Wait, do people actually hate Sachiko? Why blame the other woman and not the man? She felt more guilty and sorry for Nana that bastard ever did. In my opinion she mirrors Nana back in highschool, she also very child coded, i think she was actually 17 as we see her birthday in the show but is not like a year passed and she just started university, her birthday are in kids day, the author wanted to tell us something.
Sachiko is absolutely a more worthfull character in mang/anime than Nana. She is responsible, caring smd loving. She is also very lovely and suits perfect to Shouji. I think that Nana (not the singing Nana - I mean Hachi) is a miserable brat that abuse poor Shouji and makes him feel bad for her. She is completely unresponsible, weak and depended. I really despise her.
Great video.. I agree hachis and shouji relationship wasn’t great and I didn’t like them together at all. Can you please tell me what episode was 13:12..i recently just watched the series but I don’t remember this episode
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hi everyone! Thanks for the great comments, I'm so happy to hear everyone else's thoughts on this. I also wanted to add another comment I received on reddit that I thought was really interesting as well!
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Hey! I watched your video essay. Here are my thoughts:
First, I don’t want it to be put out there that everyone has this hatred towards Sachiko. It’s not a fair assessment nor should we speak for everyone. People may hate, dislike or have neutral feelings about her. But saying it’s everyone is not a good way to formulate argument. Even if you took a poll, said poll would have mixed results. Making the argument that everyone hates Sachiko come out baseless. For arguments like these wording is very important.
For discussions like these I always try to come unbiased and willing to learn from said perspectives.
Sachiko isn’t the worst person in Nana not by a landslide. Takumi takes that fucking cake wholeheartedly lol.
The thing is, I don’t view Sachiko as the sole reason why things happened the way they did. She plays a part in this and should’ve stopped pursuing him.
Here’s my main point: We don’t see them interact as much then outside of school and a few times alone together. It’s basically dualism, we’re seeing the beginning of Hachi’s and Shoji’s relationship just the only difference is, its Sachiko. Back in college Hachi and Shoji were just about the same in terms of how they interacted with each other. Shoji pursued Hachi back in college as much as Sachiko pursued him now in Tokyo.
For Hachi’s and Shoji’s relationship. I think what really happened, is that Shoji really couldn’t take the heat. He couldn’t take the downs of relationships. He didn’t like the fact that Hachi was moving on with her life. Up until she moved to Tokyo it was just him, her and Jun and Kyosuke. And now Hachi has other people in her life. And as she should. She’s more than welcomed to. Shoji likes to run away from issues he doesn’t like dealing with or passing them off as if they’re nothing. Leaving Hachi alone in Tokyo, saying a guy and a girl can’t be just friends, and him enviably cheating on his girlfriend. And even after everything was said and done. He still tried to avoid Jun and Kyosuke.
He also saw Sachi as a escape. That’s a big red flag. A person shouldn’t be used as a means to an end. He felt at peace with Sachi because he couldn’t deal with the stresses of his relationship. If he was falling out of love with Hachiko then he should’ve ended things. But he didn’t, instead the whole thing blew up in his face. And guess who lost in the end? Both Hachi and Sachiko. Cause now Hachiko has trust issues but also her own worse fears came to light. And Sachiko’s okay being with a man who cheated on his own girlfriend to be with her. What’s saddest is that Hachi didn’t receive her closure until very much later on.
End result? In my opinion, no matter who Shoji is with he’ll want to find ways to escape from hard ordeals. We’ve seen this when Kyosuke confronts him, when Jun does, etc. Doesn’t matter who the person is, it’s just a matter of time before that hardship comes to pass. So I don’t agree that Sachi and Shoji are a better couple because they have mutual likes, in the same classes, the same school and major. Organically, that’s very hard to say. Because I would like to see more interactions between them that isn’t at work, school or the few times we saw them alone as I said.
Sachi’s is almost like how Hachi used to be in college. Someone who was pursuing the same major, available, cute, short haired. It’s like night and day.
Sachi had all these red flags appear right in front of her. And still yet she pursued him. It’s really just 50/50 Shoji should’ve stopped. And so did she. She got her grounding when she finally saw Hachiko. But even so, I didn’t really see any sorries said on Sachi’s part. Now I haven’t read the manga in full but if she was truly sorry. She would make that a point to Hachiko. For that reasoning, I still have a negative opinions of Sachiko. She was given the opportunity to apologize. Just how you discussed, Sachiko became real for Hachi and no longer an enigma girlfriend of Shoji’s. But now all Hachi has is this perception of Sachiko. The girl who took her boyfriend away.
Hachi was humanized for Sachiko. And I think if they both allowed it Hachi would see the same for Sachiko.
All say this too: because she was so determined to have Shoji it did become her plan to have him as her own. Even if it’s not written in the story but it’s more shown if anything. Illustrated throughout the story. I think she was wearing her heart on her sleeve.
So yes, I can see your opinion. Sachiko isn’t the worst… Takumi and Reira are. I can deal with Jun, I can deal with Sachiko even. But I can’t deal with Takumi and Reira. They are wolves and sheep’s clothing.
What speaks louder than volumes is that Sachiko is more mature and is able to communicate and deal with hard issues better than Shoji. Because of that I just feel they just don’t work together organically either.
I just wish that she is able to realize that Shoji isn’t it. No guy is worth being with if they are willing to cheat in order to be with you. "
The fact that Sachiko gets more hate than Shoji proves to me that people just rather held a woman responsible rather than a man
I agree!
Sad but true...💔
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Ehhh-- igg the hunter becomes the hunted,, imm guessingg itss mostlly causee shes the one who "took shoji away from hachi" BUTT SHOJII FUCKINNGG PURSUEDD THISS SHITT
@@OTOOO.MASHI_YUNAAII38n2 Tbh i think that idea is very wrong, it happens a lot in real life too, the idea that you have to “fight for ur man” or wtv… if someone cheated on me i would never take them back lolol especially in hachis case shoji was an asshole
I didn't realize people hated Sachiko. Sleeping with another girl's boyfriend was wrong, but what she did was nowhere near as bad as what Shouji did. Shouji pretended to not have a girlfriend, had an emotional affair, proceeded to a physical affair, and then tried to justify his actions! Sachiko isn't innocent, but at least she tried to set boundaries when she found out he had a girlfriend.
Yeah, she set boundaries so low that she can easily pass them whenever she wanted. She knew he was in a relationship, but still she got physical with that Shoji.
I am not justifying Shoji but I do think they both were equally guilty.
I'm pretty sure if he cheated on nana he would def cheat on sachiko too cuz it's his faulty character
@@ENGCS_YukthaTDthat's what I thought too,cause it's easy for him to do this and not have a "properly" consequence
@@ENGCS_YukthaTD honestly I don’t remember what I thought when I made this video but recently I’ve come to the same belief as you. Like he is weird with Hachi later on, and I kind of wonder if he would have cheated on sachi if Hachi had wanted to. He says something like “but I’m having so much fun with you” when talking to Hachi. I don’t know if we are meant to interpret that as him saying he would be friends with her again or …more? Maybe it isn’t that deep and I am just reading into it too much? I know though from experiences I won’t get into that it is possible to do what Shouji did then never cheat on the “Sachiko” of the situation. So who really knows?
Shouji is the problem more than Sachiko. But also, Nana hooked up with a married man and I kind of feel like her being the one getting cheated on and learning how it feels was an important lesson for her. Wish she had learned to set emotional boundaries afterwards instead of then getting married to a cheater :/ don't think we'll ever get that happy ending for the characters
Yeah I don't see anything better than a bittersweet ending coming if Yazawa even ever finishes this story. Sad.
I thought the same. Sachiko was a lot like Nana, both were young and naive falling for someone they shouldn't have. The only difference is that Sachiko actually seemed more to feel bad about what she did. She also took responsibility for it.
I don't believe that it was Hachi's fault for seeing Asano just as it wasn't Sachiko's fault. Foremost we have to remember that Hachi was a minor back then while Asano was 40 years old don't think I have to explain more... 😅
this is not the best comparison. nana was groommed.
@@justsomegirlwithamoustachei think it was Sachiko's fault. maybe not at the beginning of their relationship. but sachiko knew shouji had a gf and still sleep with his multiple times. but only tried to end their relationship after she met nana. but then forgot about that and got back with him after they broke up.
Sachiko the worst? Nah that title perfectly goes to Takumi
AGREED.
so true bestie
PERIOD! Besides, Sachiko didn't really have much to add to the plot other than being the side chick Shouji cheated on Hachi with. Plus me personally, Sachiko was pretty much forget and bland
I thought everyone would have understood that Soji was the villain in this triangle
Yeah I kind of thought that too, but so many people seem to really really hate her. Although I’ve had a lot of people coming forward saying that Takumi is worse so maybe not as many people despise her as I thought/think? I think more people hated her when I was originally reading these manga than now.
@@AislingBlack personally I do think that takumi is the true antagonist of the story, but in regards to soji cheating on nana with sachiko I think most of the blame is on soji even though sachiko knew about nana.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr literally what are you talking about, “disregarded his dreams and wishes”? Also how was nana ever “not nice” to soji, her first full day in Tokyo was spent cleaning his house top to bottom and cooking him a homemade dinner. I don’t remember how long it was specifically but she was saving up forever just so she could move to Tokyo to be with him. I literally can not think of one truly cruel thing she did to soji (don’t re bring up her and her boss cause having a crush on someone is not the same as literally starting a whole other relationship on the side). How is anyone to blame but the person who actively started having a full fledged romantic relationship with their coworker? Soji was literally in two separate relationships at the same time, I blame sachiko because she was actively aware that soji was in a long term committed relationship for several years. Nana being groomed into a sexual relationship with a fully grown 30 something year old business man while she was in high school is nowhere comparable to soji cheating with a coworker who was literally in the same grade as him. If nana started having romantic feeling for someone else, i.e her boss, because she was actively being cheated on and not receiving the affection and love that comes from a healthy relationship, I’m not gonna blame her. In real life and in fiction, the only person to blame for your own actions is yourself. The fact that you think nana is the villain in this situation, and the justification that you used (“she’s not nice” “she disregarded his dreamed and wishes”🤨???) is really convincing me you’re some sort of incel or something, which confuses me even more cause why are you watching a show like nana if this is you’re take (a blatantly wrong and detached that is reeking of projection) on the matter.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr also she chose takumi because she literally idolized him as an untouchable celebrity who she was a massive fan of and he literally swooped in right when her life was going to shit (he was also extremely abusive and the entire reason why hachi and nana o weren’t able to see each other), not because he saw the “true her” or whatever it is you’re convinced is happening. People see nana as good because she’s literally a sweet and kind person, not because she’s putting on some ruse personality that other people were naively being fooled by. The show literally starts by showing us her main flaws (obsession with romance\being in loved/in love and attempted people pleasing to the point of hurting herself i.e starving herself to the point of passing out because she thinks that it will make her more desirable.)I truly don’t understand how someone could watch nana in its entirety and come to the conclusion that hachi was the problem when it was quite literally just her desire to be loved and the abusive men who continued to cycle through her life and use her before leaving or cheating or baby trapping her. The way you so easily villainize nana instead of the very obviously written red flags that are her love interests makes it very clear how you feel about women, cause it really doesn’t matter is she truly was the purest person in the world, you would still try and find some flimsy way to shift the blame onto her for the abuse that the men in her life inflict. You’re delusional.
@@SHeshi-zc7cr what were soji dreams if you don’t mind telling me? His ass worked at a restaurant as a waiter and that was it, I don’t ever remember hearing about these “hopes and dreams” (aside from when he piggy backed right off of Junes news that she was going to Tokyo to go to art school) that you’re so set on believing were ignored by nana so consistently that it’s parallel to being cheated on. Soji didn’t care that nana wanted to go to Tokyo with him, he was upset that that’s ALL she had planned for herself, what he wanted was for her to have her own ambitions that weren’t fully dependent on her friends. None of these things are anywhere equal to cheating.
I want to say that Hachi and Shouji’s relationship wasn’t great. I thought that their relationship was awkward and there was no connection and chemistry between them. Throughout their relationship, neither Shouji or Hachi told each other that they loved each other. I personally didn’t like them as couple and I am glad they broke up.
Yes, the point I was trying to make by bringing this up, which I wish I had been more clear about, is many people act like Sachiko was a homewrecker and that is why the relationship failed. She is a homewrecker, yes, but also that relationship was on the rocks already, so while I understand it is terrible what they did to Hachi, I don't understand some fan's attachment to the relationship? not all fans, just a few that are very vocal :P I think it's kind of easy to see Shouji doing this as the beginning of trouble for Hachi, but I think she was in trouble before that.
I think your thoughts mirror mine perfectly. This is an adult series where things are more complicated than "A did a bad thing to B because they're evil". People get mad that Shouji and Sachiko never got any comeuppance but yeah that is life sometimes, people cheat and can pretty much go about their lives. I think what's even more regrettable is that the loneliness and insecurity this whole episode put into Hachi basically pushed her into Takumi's arms.
Yeah I think Hachi becoming more insecure is the most tragic part of all of this 💔
Man I remember reading this as a teen and being absolutely heartbroken for Hachi and Sachiko, but also being mad at Sachiko for proceeding even after she finds out. I'm always of the opinion of the cheating partner is the worst offender, but the affair partner that knows that someone has a bf/gf/spouse/etc. and still chooses to go along with cheating is awful also. Doesn't matter if they don't know the other person, or the relationship 'appears' like it's on the rocks, these are really bad justifications. There is a reason that the cheater is doing what they are doing, whether they get some kind of pleasure from it or they are just not emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship, and its rare that a cheater changes their ways. I've known so many folks that think, they're cheating with me because it's true love, but end up crushed when they get cheated on later also. If the third person had no idea, that's a different story at that point they're victims too. But I've seen more people justifying going after someone that is married or in a relationship lately, saying, "well it's not my relationship" and it just seems really sad to me. Either way, love seeing Nana content, I'm with you that I hope that Yazawa can finish this series someday. It was way ahead of its time and is one of the greats.
I agree it's that the things you mentioned are shitty justifications. The kind of terrible thing that really makes me disrespect what Sachiko did, even more, is that as far as we see on screen, Shouji never actually says his relationship with Hachi is going south. Maybe he does offscreen but who knows. It's even worse to me if it's possible the relationship the person has with the other person in the triangle isn't even that bad. Like for all Sachiko knew she was breaking up a relationship that works. and that seems so much worse. About cheaters, as I get older I find that many people do this when they are young (myself included, I cheated on two long-term boyfriends when I was about Shouji's age, one a semi-happy relationship that I simply grew out of, the other a very abusive one ...but I have been with my husband for a very long time now and I have never and will never cheat on him or anyone again. I like to think I have grown from the shitty things I did, but I have never been "the other woman" so I've never been in Sachiko's shoes.) The older I get the less common it becomes, but it does still happen and I do know serial cheaters though not many, so I guess my opinion is, most people do mature as they get older and leave relationships in a responsible way. But this is just my experience, it may not reflect the actual truth. So this video could contain bias I have due to what I have experienced, I'm really glad you told me your thoughts on this, sometimes I get very insulated from the outside world and I need a refresher that my experience is simply one facet in the reality we all share. I really value your commenting, thank you so much. Maybe one day we can get the ending we all want for this series. Have you read Neighborhood Story? I would recommend it if you haven't and liked Nana, it's not quite as dark as Nana gets, but it's very well-written I think too. :D
I love Nana because the characters are so well written. Nobody on this story is 100% good or bad. We don't like Sachiko because we see the story through Hachi's eyes, but we have to remember that she also cheated with a married man. Even if she was a minor, and of course the fault is on Asano, Hachi was not much younger than Sachiko when those events happened.
I still don't like Sachiko, but Shoji is definitely much worse than her. I kind of feel sorry for her too, because Shoji confesses later on the series that if he keeps being friends with Hachi, he might cheat on Sachiko as well.
Furthermore, I don't think Sachiko or Hachi are the worst on this story. That title is absolutely for Takumi and Reyra. They should be in prison :)
About Reira and Takumi ... I 100% agree. Seriously I really find them criminal as well.
@@AislingBlackI feel like people who think Hachi and Takumi are a good couple forget about the part where he forced himself on her...
Except for Yazu, he’s 100% good
@@rad1801nah he didn’t do anything to help shin
I know a lot of people hate Junko, but I have to say that she does make sense sometimes. When she was visiting Hachi the day after she broke up with Shouji, Junko told Hachi that there were problems between her and Shouji before Sachiko appeared and she was 100% correct on that. There was a lot of miscommunication between Hachi and Shouji, and both parties kept on denying each other to spend time with each other. Whenever Shouji offered to spend time with Hachi, she will always turn him down and she would rather spend time with Nana and the other band mates of blast. Even Hachi forgot about Shouji. Hachi was emotionally unavailable to Shouji, she found her independence and she became distant and cold towards him as well. I personally didn’t think that Shouji wanted Hachi to be independent, I just think he wanted her to stop being childish and overbearing. Sachiko on the other hand, was emotionally available toShouji at the time and that’s why they both hit it off well. Shouji liked the fact that Hachi needed him and he also liked the fact that she relied on him, when Hachi came to Tokyo, she didn’t need him anymore and that hurt Shouji big time. Even Kyusuke said that Nana stopped fitting into Shouji’s ideal type and he didn’t like that.
Yes, I think that Shouji's hurt "pride" or "feelings" or whatever you want to call it had a big influence on everything. He gets along well with Sachiko because she is easy for him. She is just there and able to be with him all the time, work and schoolwise. Plus it makes me so mad he was angry with Hachi for friendzoning him before they date. Like dude, have some chill.
Junko, Kyusuke and Yasi are the most mature characters in the series. I remember even as a little kid reading this story and thinking "I need more people like them in my life" -- yes, their realism can be a downer, but they're the ones who will tell you things like it is because they care.
@milkflavored ehh sometimes. I loved her when they were in that co ed art school but I felt she didn't encourage Hachi much. Hachi needs a realistic perspective, but she also needs encouragement in her own abilities. The only way I ever overcame my shortcomings was because I built confidence in overcoming them. After she sided with Shoji, it was just downhill. While Nana wasn't treating Shoji as she should've, trying to explain that to her the morning after the incident was just....so LOW. And Jun never really reprimanded Shoji much at all. Just, ick. I'm glad she recognizes later on that she shouldn't jump straight to giving people advice when she doesn't know the whole story.
Sorry for replying after such a long time, but even if they had problems in their relationships, that doesn’t justify shoji cheating. Also, Nana just got cheated, broken up by someone she loved so badly, it’s not the time to tell her about what wrong she did in the relationship, junko shoukd have been consoling her best friend had she cared for her .
@@Anonymous-gu5ch except for nana they all pushed hachi self esteem so low, and then acted mean and shocked when she acted like a person with low self-esteem. No wonder she ended up with takumi
The worst that they both end up together at the end and all fair and square, like no karma or something - for example shouji cheats again, as he thinks it’s normal
Shouji was worst for it, Sachiko was guilty too but Shouji didn’t shut it down. Though, they are so brief in the grand scheme of Nana’s events, and really their affair got the ball rolling for everything so in a way it’s not as major feeling as everything else that happens. Reira is not a good person, she has her struggles yes, but she slept with a literal child (Shin) and behaved questionably and immaturely. Takumi was truly a terrible person, treating nearly everyone poorly, even Hachi the mother of his child and wife who he emotionally abusive to and cheats on. He also isn’t really a part of his daughters life. Hachi self destructed a lot in the series and it can be partly attributed to the affair with Shouji and Sachiko, but she stayed immature and didn’t learn until it was too late and she was pregnant. She is a good mother and really grew into a more mature and thoughtful person beyond her own wishes. It’s sad that that it what she had to go through to get to that point, both Nanas are sad figures in this way. I hope one day we get a resolve to the story and the characters get happier endings then we have at the moment but I think it is really an manga and anime that can teach a lot to it’s audience even if we never get a fulfilling ending.
Omg she literally looks like a child at 15:42 it creeps me out so much lol
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EXACTLY. Sachiko cannot and SHOULD NOT be compared to the other levels of evil that the other characters portray. Sachiko to an extent should be held responsible for her part in Shoji cheating on Nana, but at the end of the day SHOJI is was the one in the relationship. It's promoting the mindset of competition between girls when in fact the REAL ISSUE was Shoji's lack of loyalty. Sachiko is over hated in my opinion and while she's not a great character, she shouldnt be held nearly on the same level as Takumi. Cause come on we all know what he did
I also think the people who hate Sachiko are probably projecting because they have been cheated on and focus their anger on "the other woman", but that's just a theory.
Sachiko is bad person too that's the reality
both sachiko and shouji are terrible people.
i kinda wished we saw her perspective, we saw glimps about her feeling when she meet hachi and really get that she's " the other woman" but that was very short lived.
Also I hate how realisitic it is that they end up happy togerther. If you get cheated on you pray for them to fail, because peoples who hurt you so much doesn't deserve to be happy togerther you know, it feel unfair, yet that exactly how it goes and that hurt like hell.
I also don't like how hachi and shoji have a "nice talk" when them see each other later. It feel so wrong, i know why and how it happen because hachi's personality is like that... but i just wanted a small moment where we really comdempt shoji's action, all the time it's treated as a thing that happen and not like a trahison. The only person in hachi's friend group to really act appropriately is Nana, even hachi end up down playing it. Maybe later in the story, the blast member would get angry, since they weren't that close during the event, but in a way no one stood up for her but Nana, i would also become dependent to Nana if she was my only friend to fight for me.
I agree Nana was a better friend in this situation. I think Nana was the perfect friend for Hachi, tough when she had to be, but she really deeply loves Hachi. I hated the "nice talk" too.
Great video! While cheating is bad, Sachiko and Shouji are no where near the worst characters in the series. Be that in terms of their own actions or the reader/watcher viewing these characters in the lens of their own morals. In the grand scheme of things they are small potatoes. Potential spoilers for anime only fans but this series has:
1. Takumi who forces himself onto Hachi and also somewhat strings Reira along.
2. Ryoko who runs a sex trafficking ring with underage boys.
3. Misuzu who abandons not one but two of her families!
4. Narita who supplied Ren with drugs.
5. Search Magazine's staff being paparazzi.
Also we as fans often overlook the fact that while Shin is told to stop smoking because he is underaged, just about every smoker continues to smoke in front of him. Same with drinking and this continues after they have confirmation he is underaged.
In regards to Junko not telling Hachi, I can understand that with Junko knowing how emotional Hachi is not wanting to tell her. And I see people calling Junko a bad friend in general, but when you have a friend with self destructive habits like Hachi, how much can you actually do to help them without becoming overbearing/controlling?
Yeah fair about junko, but her saying it was hachi's fault that shoji cheated on her was terrible, fuck being a "mediator" she was basically blaming hachi for something instigated by shoji
Both Shoji and Sachiko were in the wrong. Nobody did more bad than the other. Shoji literally tried to pretend he didn’t have a girlfriend, had two affairs with her, and etc. Sachiko knew Shoji had a girlfriend yet she still went after him and tried to help him hide it from his girlfriend. Both are equally in the wrong, maybe if Sachiko didn’t know Shoji had a girlfriend, I would’ve hated her less.
I enjoyed this, I havent actually seen NANA myself but I know of it and I like hearing about it. I hate when people blame the person someone cheated with than the person who was the cheater like they were the one in the relationship
It's interesting how the qualities of Hachi that Shoji found so annoying are the same qualities that endeared her to a new friend group in Nana and Blast. Shoji was afraid to be honest with Hachi and himself about the things that he wanted. Sachiko could have never tempted Shoji if he truly valued what he had with Hachi.
I appreciate you a ton for this!!!! I’m so tired of seeing Sachiko being hated more than Shoji when ultimately Shoji is more at fault😅
The only thing I find problematic about anime in general, and Nana in particular, is the fandom that hates random characters. There are no heroes or villains here, just real people with their own flaws. The plot shows their actions, motives behind them and consequences, and the point of the story is that you have to understand them, not hate them, in order to make the right life choices.
The fact that people hate Sachiko is ridiculous. She's an uninteresting character, and that's fine considering she has almost no screen time, but there's nothing in the anime that says she's a bad person. She's not a huntress, she's just a girl who found her mate and didn't let him go. In fact, she may be the only character in this story who seems to have made the right life choices for herself (also Junko and Kyosuke, I almost forgot about them). She didn't know anything about Shouji relationships with the other girls, and Shouji had to decide for himself what to do about them.
Obviously, Shouji and Nana were a bad couple from the start, and it was only a matter of time before they broke up. They weren't even a real couple. At first, Nana pretended to be just a friend, and as soon as they decided to be together, he moved to Tokyo. He waited a year for her, then she came to him before he was ready, and even Nana herself quickly realised that she annoyed him, and that was long before he even met Sachiko. When Shouji finally dumped Nana he did it very badly, everything was wrong about that, but that's only because he himself was too inexperienced and insecure, felt sorry for Nana and didn't know what to do. It's not like he did it on purpose. Also a lot of people hate Nana, which I don't understand either. It's just the way she is. She gradually learnt from her mistakes and eventually matured - that's life.
When Sachiko met Nana, she immediately decided to pull away and told Shouji about it, but in the end she couldn't do it. We also have the opposite case: Yasu loves Nana Osaki, but suppresses his feelings and instead tries to fix her relationship with Ren, which leads to nothing good. He did it for Nana's sake, but is it really best for her? And is it really best for everyone? Eventually, even Nana herself starts to get frustrated that Yasu, the man she gradually realised she really wanted, isn't responding to her. Yasu actually did what Sachiko didn't do, but is that really for a better? Who knows. It's not about the right answers, it's about the choices we make, and every choice has consequences that are difficult or even impossible to foreseen.
And now a few words about Layla. When I read the description, I thought she was some female version of Takumi, but it turned out to be quite the opposite. Shin is 15, but he claims he is 18, and he already had much more experience with the opposite sex than she did, he was literally a pro in dealing with women (he was paid for it and had a harem of sorts). Layla knew he's actual age, but the age of consent in Japan at that time was 13, so it was not a crime, period. And Layla was just a lonely and insecure girl, suffering from unrequited love for years and on the verge of a breakdown. It was more like he was using her, then the opposite. I expected her to do something horrible in the last few episodes, but she didn't, and I'm still not sure if she did something bad in the manga - something that justifies all the hate for her. Sure, she's not okay, she's selfish and a bit of a narcissist, but she's more of a broken person than a villainess.
It seems like a lot of people who like "Nana" lack empathy, and that's a little scary. The same can be said for other anime. But manga and anime creators usually don't disappoint me in that sense, and that's why I love anime in the first place.
Please do more NANA video's it such an underrated series that so fucking good.
I have a few ideas for a couple more videos about this series! I agree it needs to be seen more. So maybe more videos in the future!
This is a very great video and you made a lot of good points. It is very sad that a lot of fans hate Sachiko and they blamed her for the cheating, but she is not to blame (I mean she is partly to blame but not really). Shouji is 100% to blame on all of this! Shouji had a girlfriend the whole time when he was flirting and hanging out with Sachiko and he should have never been hanging out and spending time with her at all. Also, he should have set boundaries with Sachiko but he just chose not to do which is messed up.
I think Shouji not telling Sachiko he had a girlfriend was really the biggest problem. So yes, boundaries would have been good. I kind of feel sorry for Sachiko, but you are right, she was partly to blame as well.
also i'm glad you enjoyed the video. I made it so us fans could have some fun and talk about our feelings
Sachiko is just a flawed human being making mistake like most of the charachters in this manga. And shouji is the one that was involved and should have put boundaries in the first place. She did a terrible thing but considering everything the characters do to each other in this manga she doesn't deserve that much hate.
Yes that's the thing, so many characters in this are written to be grey. I'm so happy people don't seem to hate her as much as they used to. I think though that it is amazing how, *human* the characters in this anime/manga are
She was a fool , i really hate shoji but i always just felt pity for her,and yes later Shoji showed that he didn't change a bit and was willing to also betray her :'(
Watching this video does make sense in a way still I can't help but hate both Shoji & Sachiko, (whenever their is a small clip of them together I immediately skip it) but Shoji is mostly to blame since he's too much of a whimp to admit that he isn't happy with Hachi and should've ended things with her, yea it may hurt her feelings but its better than him cheating on her, his character is much of a cowardly persona, I am glad Kyoske called him out on it, I wouldn't be friends someone like Shoji honestly. Sachiko on the other hand she seems too nice but also selfish she knows what she was doing is wrong and still does it anyway because her feelings gets the best of her, she only thinks for herself when she defended Shoji. Watching this video makes me think that we're all humans and can't help but has selfish desires or feelings for someone even if they're unavailable. I'm not excusing Sachiko's actions what she did was wrong and wouldn't encourage people to do what she did. Honestly I would stay away from people like Sachiko, I don't know why but thats just me. I think the reason why people hate Sachiko in the end she has Shoji and they both have a happy ending, fandoms weren't satisfied with their ending, even I wasn't satisfied as well I didn't like how the two of them got away with it no consequences of their actions. And I agree with you on Sachiko not being the bad person but Takumi and Reira they are the evil villians in the story. Mostly Takumi.
Sachiko will never get closer to how awful and disgusting Takumi, Shoji, Reira and that guy that groomed Hachi are. These 4 are really the worst.
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Y’all so scared of real feelings omg. Reira wasn’t a “groomer”, the difference between her and Shin’s age is like 5 years and he was a mature one by his character, while she was an infantile girlie. They matched together and cold bitches can’t understand the depth of love in their pairing.💁🏻♀️
@@onthesideof4 huh...NO. Reira is EIGHT fucking years older than Shin. And no, he's not "a mature one". Shin was forced to get by in life, to become an adult earlier because his family wouldn't care if he was dead or alive, and Reira wasn't "an infantille girlie", she ACTED like that. Shin was a victim to her "sad girl who just wants attention of the man she loves" behaviour and ended up forgetting about himself and prioritizing Reira's feelings (which Reira does not seem to give zero fucks). There is depth in their relationship, but it's extremelly problematic calling it "love" without considering their age. So... stop it and GET SOME FUCKING HELP!!!
@@enyaiasmim Omg, so offended you are by my simple words. Don’t know any better, baby?
Reira isn’t psychologically intelligent enough to grow up mentally. It’s always presented in the story of Nana, it’s where Reira’s codependence with her lovers start and where you can acknowledge that her ignorance of other’s personal boundaries started. In simple words, she does see and feel herself as a misery and a love-fool that need a company. Her being attracted to Shin was not her being a “predator pdfile”, but a soul that aches for another soul to understand and be hers. To judge her… you have to be her, to have and make her feelings your own, you can’t look at her and make harsh judgment, cause she’s not that type of a person to be judged.
@@onthesideof4 gurl, whatever. You're just trying to make amends for her, I never said she is a pedophilic monster, but her relationship with Shin is problematic whether you like it or not.
i think the reason i hate sachiko just as much as shoji is because after she knew he was taken she still pursued him.
I remember crying out of anger, pain and frustration when Shoji cheated. Like, i genuinely hated him with my soul, not to justify Sachiko obviously but HE was the one who cheated!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS THE ONE TO BLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, i agree Juno was a horrible friend as well
At first i hated Sachiko for coming between Hachi and Shoji, but that was i was a teenager. Now that i'm in my 20s all of my hate goes to Shoji. Nothing justifies cheating on your partner.
And the one thing that kinda pisses me off : he expected Hachi to have found a job, an apartment one day after she arrived at Tokyo! Like, he brings her down just for wanting to stay at his place and enjoying his company! I get he wants her to be independent, but dude, she just arrived!! Give her time to adapt to the big city!!! And he only asked Nana to stay with him AFTER she got an apartment, and got insecure when she started to be independent, even though that's exactly what he pushed her to do!! The math doesn’t math.
They weren’t a good match for one another. I really hope for Sachiko that Shoji doesn’t find someone else (once a cheater, always a cheater).
also people forget that Hachi was also in the same situation as Sachiko with Asano and both girls don't feel hatred towards each other, Sachiko even complimented her in her mind and thought she is pretty
That's what makes her interesting. She seems like a person who wouldn't happily be an affair partner. Its a lot of small things adding up to her doing something wrong. She not a good person for not backing off but Shoji holds more of the blame.
Yeah it is interesting. To be fair I was kind of basing what I saw people saying about 7-8 years ago in the fandom about Sachiko. And now I find people aren’t as United in the fact that they hate Sachiko. I think that’s a good thing and I wonder if the fan base has just gotten older and that’s why people are more forgiving of Sachiko. Getting re-introduced to the Nana fandom has actually been awesome and I love the care everyone has and the thought they have put into what they think of the series! 💗
@@AislingBlack The fandom getting older has changed the overall fandom opinions about certain characters. Its interesting seeing a affair partner not just demonized (Like Hachi's imagined version of Sachiko).
I've never hard anyone say they hated her this video being recommended is the first time I even heard someone talk about her, if anyone hates somebody it's 100 percent takumi
Sorry I mixed up comments when responding. Yeah I feel like most fans now don’t hate her so much. But when the anime first came out it seemed like every single person I saw hated Sachi so much! That was a while ago and also I was pretty you g so Im wondering if I got the wrong impression. This was also before the series manga stopped and it was only in Japanese. I think the fandom has really grown up a lot from that point and everyone (including me) are a little more forgiving. I kind of blinked out of the Nana fandom for 7ish years, so I think this idea I had of everyone hating her is a little outdated. Or I just had the wrong impression about it? All the comments I get, even those disagreeing with me have been lovely and I’ve really enjoyed them. Anyways yes Takumi, maybe Reira I think they are the real “villains” of the series if I was forced to choose one. I think I got the idea about people hating Sachiko mostly from comments on old UA-cam videos and forum discussions.
I think what makes people mad about Sachiko and Shoji is that they never felt actual regret... And that's fucking disgusting! We all know Shoji is trash (and honestly I just want him to have a terrible and shitty life) and even tho Sachiko is not the worst, that "regret" she felt after meeting Hachi doesn't last. As soon as Hachi finds out about them, they just move on like a couple of love birds. And that's when I think people got violent.
But don't forget people: Shoji, Junko, Kyosuke, Takumi and Reira are the real villains! FUCC THEM!
I don’t like sachiko because she had the audacity to say “I’d never get between you and your girlfriend.” Both of them are horrible.
Honestly, when I watched the show , I totally disliked almost all the characters, but it's still such a fun watch! The author did a great job creating tons of drama 😂😅
Gotta love that juicy drama!
First of all, shouji from the moment he was introduced was a red flag. Second I hate sachiko, I hate them both. But they deserve each other cos they both cheated. He's a coward and she likes men like that. LOL
Honestly, I thought Shouji was terrible from the beginning too. He has such "nice guy" vibes. As for Sachiko, she's just like meh to me. I don't hate her, but I don't like her either.
I'm only 70% through the anime so I don't know EVERYTHING but I think the fact that Sachiko is initially kind of an escalation of a joke makes the fact that she actually does end up going for the steal a bit jarring because you probably don't expect at the very least she's going to be the one to do it. But yeah, she's kinda dishonorable for that but I don't think she's the worst or anything close. Shoji should have just said no or broken things off with Nana, she moved far away and left her whole life behind for him, after that you just don't do someone that way.
Honestly, Hachi wasn’t any better in that aspect. She hooked up with a man that was married, she went with Takumi while still being Nobus girlfriend as well. Sachiko is the same isn’t she? Now, I’m not saying Sachiko doesn’t have fault she does but like you said, Shoji is the real one to blame and to hate on. I hated that mf like crazy
yes I'm officially in the screw Shouji club too!
Nah no way you're comparing them to hachi and asano... Hachi was a teenager who got groomed by a man pushing 30 wtf
@@menot1 She was still aware of what she did lol, can’t blame Sachiko for doing exactly what she did with whoever
@kain_go yes you can and should hold sachiko accountable. She's an adult. She made that decision consciously. Nana was a literal child , who got taken advantage of. Comparing them is messed up
@@menot1 I stand by what I said that she was aware of it and also deserves to be blamed, even if I didn’t compare them Hachi would still not be better than Sachiko lol.
This is why I love the show because it becomes more realistic and darker as it goes on. Also, I love that the author gives you all the toxic relationships that you SHOULD stay away from, which is a great lesson for young adults.
Anyway, I feel like it’s both Sachiko and Shouji’s fault. First of all, Sachiko could’ve ask if he has a girlfriend before getting into the relationship. Second, Shouji seems insecure just because he didn’t want to hurt Hachi doesn’t mean that he has the right of.. not talking to her. Like if you want purse the other woman more then he should break up with Hachi. Honestly, him and Hachi aren’t compatible with each other because they both wants something different in life (as far as I know), so I’m glad they broke up. Also, Hachi deserves someone else better then Takumi because she went through a lot of abuse and trauma when it comes to her relationship. 😭😭
The real villain is the early '00 fashion..
I love the take. Where is all this Nana discourse happening tho?
check out the Nana FB and Nana Anime and Manga Reddit, there is a lot of cool content still happening there.
Shoji waited until later to tell her he was in a relationship. And still hung out with her after and planning her birthday.
I pity Sachiko. Ig, she wasn’t sure that Shojo would be with her if she would ask him straight in his face why is he acting the way he does. She wasn’t old enough to figure her morals and self-worth yet.😢
I blame both of them.
Sachiko did NOT cheat. She wasn’t in a relationship with anyone. Shoji is the only one who cheated. I don’t think I’ll ever like her, but I know I’ll always HATE Shoji. 😑
Pero ella sabía que él estaba en una relación y se paseaba por su casa con la ropa de Shoji pero con cargo de conciencia, lo que creo es que es una niña muy inmadura que no sabía lo que hacía y para mí fue un shock desagradable que terminaran siendo una parejita feliz, fue bastante repugnante la verdad, Nana sufrió mucho como para que Sachiko terminara siendo novia del tratado. Pero Soji principalmente era muy inmaduro pero un completo imbécil y tenía el descaro cuando se reencontró con Nana de decirle que no quería volver a enamorarse de ella estando con Sachiko, o es un gilipollas o es un chulo sin carisma de mucho cuidado.
Pero ambos a mi parecer son igual de culpables porque como dicen en si pueblo, la culpa es tanto del que mata a la vaca como del que le amarra la pata
True, but she knew Shoji was in a relationship. She is not the worst, but she is not in the right.
#FUCKSHOJI
Agree with all the points. I thouht only think that way. Shouji is much worse than Sachiko....I mean his beahaviour towards Nana K is not something you can just get away with...an al so why when cheating is the girl problem but not the men who actually cheated on his lover?
I sub just found your channel
According to me, both Shoji and Sachiko were almost equally at fault, but Shoji more. Shoji betrayed his girlfriend who did so much for him and then proceeded to cheat. Sachiko knew Shoji has a gf and is interested in her, yet she didn’t stop. Although at the end, I felt like Sachiko knew she did wrong and felt guilty yet she couldn’t stop this guilty pleasure. While Shoji fuck 🙄 I have no wish to talk about that dude
Reira might be a weak person for wanting Takumi for herself, but she was nowhere as bad as people paint her. It’s like throwing the world pedophile at anyone who likes a minor without considering the context of relationships is trendy now… ew.
Love this video, I also dont think she should get that much hate
The worst is Shoji period haha
I never dug myself into fandom discourse, so it came as a surprise that people hate Sachiko so much. For me, her character was neutral, even likable a bit and not because I hate Hachi or something (in fact, I like her character!). I think Shouji was the main wrongdoer here, he encouraged Sachiko and was too coward to break up with Hachi. I didn't understand why he and Junko criticized Hachi so much, I think they all were just fake friends for her.
My most hated character from the series has to be Takumi. There were several points in the story where I wished I could beat him up.
I loved this analysis. I don’t condone what Sachiko and Shoji did. They were at fault 100% But I always thought Sachiko wasn’t the worst too. Also people bashing on her character design isn’t fair, she’s a cute character. Every character in Nana has their faults. I personally like Junko, she’s my favourite in this whole anime, but the fandom is divided on her too. It is what it is.
people hating on sachiko just screams misogyny to me. i won't elaborate.
I agree, I kind of wish I had touched on this point a little more obviously. Interestingly I find that the modern fans of Nana vs. the ones I interacted with more when I first read the series seem a little more normal and forgiving of the situation...I think attacking a woman's looks and personality (when it's not super problematic in any way) also wreaks of misogyny, and sometimes I see that happen with Sachiko.
@@AislingBlack i've seen a lot of nana fans blaming sachiko and making fun of her looks and personality (recently). even comparing her to layla (who is a literal pedophile), takumi (who is a disgusting abuser) and, obviously, shoji. i don't know if i just have bad luck or something but i think i haven't come across a lot of people who don't think really really badly of sachiko gdjwbdje i'm really happy every time i do tho, so i'm glad there's people here who see that she's not a terrible person and don't put that much blame on her jwbdje
I think they both were equally guilty.
He was already in a relationship, and she knew he was in a relationship.
Also, I hated Hachi and Junko because Junko tried to justy what Shoji did to Hachi and Hachi just fell for everyone, in their bed. People like her character but she was a definitely irresponsible with her choices, making others hurt. Takumi and Reira were straight up predators. Takumi being the the most hated character by me as she slowly manipulated Hachi.
Nana was probably the most neutral character, she had her flaws and had her rights.
Nobuo, he was written as unlucky as he could have. He fell in love with someone who didn't even know how to have safe sex and ended up being pregnant too young. But since the guy was Takumi, a certified predator, she decided to stay with him.
Ren, well, he was just an average guy.
Yasu, was, of all, the best.
What else I can say.
P.S
I just loved Punk Rock Nana.
Honestly hating Sachiko for me is jokingly hating. It's like this inside joke in the nana community but some people truly hate her more than shoji. I wouldn't like the woman that my bf was cheating with if she knew he had a gf either but still Shoji is the real problem
she isn't the worst that title belongs to shoji he is the definition of the nice guy after all this years he still gets on my nerves. He pined after her for years pretending to be her friend, then get mad at her for not picking him even though he had made no move on her and then after she agrees to be with him he left and insisted on having a long term relationship ,there was no reason for nana to stay behind for a year he made her feel stupid for wanting to come with out passing the exam and only because the friends were going but he did the exact same thing, the hypocrisy . when she finally got to Tokyo he freaked out because she hadn't find a job or apartment in her first day there, even though he told his friends he wanted to marry her then proceeds to get mad she has a different life than him even though he asked her to like wtf men talk about bipolar behavior in truth he just didn't want her from the moment they got together his actions speak louder than his words
Agreed. I think the only reason he is above Takumi for me is Takumi forced Hachi to sleep with him. I just think Shouji is a weirdo and kind of a creep.
@@AislingBlack technically Takumi is the worst ( it pains me because apart from Nana.K he is my favorite ) but its vary obvious that he is a bad guy and a walking red flag, while shouji is mascara ting as a good / caring guy
@@iria871 Agreed, at least Takumi is more honest about who he is. They are each manipulative in very different ways I think. Takumi is so well written. Nana K is my favorite too.
i actually really like sachiko
Wait, do people actually hate Sachiko? Why blame the other woman and not the man? She felt more guilty and sorry for Nana that bastard ever did. In my opinion she mirrors Nana back in highschool, she also very child coded, i think she was actually 17 as we see her birthday in the show but is not like a year passed and she just started university, her birthday are in kids day, the author wanted to tell us something.
I love Nana but she did get her karma. Her and Sachiko are the same.
i agree
no she is still a bad character lol
Just started watching the video, but just have to say Takumi is the worst character........ 🤢🤮🤮
Sachiko is absolutely a more worthfull character in mang/anime than Nana. She is responsible, caring smd loving. She is also very lovely and suits perfect to Shouji. I think that Nana (not the singing Nana - I mean Hachi) is a miserable brat that abuse poor Shouji and makes him feel bad for her. She is completely unresponsible, weak and depended. I really despise her.
Yeah, you didn't get a single grasp of what NANA means... so sad.
Great video.. I agree hachis and shouji relationship wasn’t great and I didn’t like them together at all. Can you please tell me what episode was 13:12..i recently just watched the series but I don’t remember this episode
That is from episode 12!
@@AislingBlack omg tysm!! I literally just watched the whole series but somehow skipped that episode