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MvM players who completed hundreds of same missions in this gamemode abandoned by Valve can end up in two ways: -Starting to use unconventional strategies for fun -Schizophrenia
@@Alice-he2zh What expecting a dev to be constantly adding new content to a 16 year old game and hallucinating that the summer update didn't happen do to a mf
@@williamfrederickson1702 they said "no real updates" genius, the most the summer update added was le funny reddit seal, may as well have been a patch. People are shitty because of the heavy update never coming out
I have a feeling that if MVM ever dies, all of these griefers will try to defend themselves saying that they were trying to “save MVM” and most likely make a fake apology
same thing happened to a discord server was in except with politics so i was in a discord server based around a small roblox game and it started dying because the head dev moved onto other projects it was maybe around early to mid 2023 when 1 person started posting about the russo ukraine war. we all thought this was just some friendly small news coverage but then it started to get worse he started posting more about it and this was in memes channel for some damn reason, basically smothered all the memes going into that channel. and then people started to discuss about the war in memes channel and need i remind you there was a specific rule about "no politics"? me and the other memebers tried to stop them but the one who started the war posting said "oh were just keeping the server alive by posting in memes so that people can check memes" and that was the most stupid reason ive ever heard we tried talking to mods about it but it was like talking into a brick wall and its still going on to this day. damn why did i even write this rant
They already genuinely believe this. MVM's Community supported these mindsets for years, and there is no changing them. The only way they get completely stuffed is for the TF-Team to fix temporary soft-bans on successful kicks. Only the advantage of rejoining games after kicks to grief is what they have. Write emails, and make some noise after the holidays; maybe they can fix it for next year.
And then talks mostly about their mating rituals. Seriously, it feels like 70% I ever see is them talking about mating. I could do a drinking game of how many times they say female and it would be more times than Jacksepticeye saying "top of the morning" in all his videos combined.
The edit of the document after this video came out is **golden**. For all of you who don’t want to read it, basically basil timestamps all the moments in this video anything slightly bad is said about him, ignores what he can’t deny, and skips over the parts where basil is being defended. And it’s written in the third person which is hilarious. (If I made a mistake in my summary please do tell me)
@@scooby8800by what I can tell this is because Basil claims to not be the only one writing the document, and if nothing else it is a group effort. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, but it doesn’t really make things better for him, nor does the rest of his updates. Even taking the rest of his claims in the updated document at face value, the most substantial thing that Weezy would be wrong on would be… Basil not being the guy who got into a flame war with Weezy on Twitter and Discord, and accusing him of said flame war when it was really some other bad actor. Most of the other responses either deal with minor technical gripes or I would argue are misrepresentations of Weezy’s positions, intentional or otherwise. Thankfully, Basil claims to have turned over a new leaf and seems to want to put a lot of this Weezy drama behind him. If it’s out of a legitimate change of heart or a cope to deal with being humiliated on the internet, I can’t say. Either way though, I hope he’s learned something from all this and improves as a person and as a TF2 player, and that his shenanigans are truly over.
@@rimanahbveeyou were probably the kid who didn’t confess because you thought your classmates would stand with you. No, no we wouldn’t, don’t drag us down because you’re a coward.
@@rimanahbvee for a military, but school isn't military, and you can't expect everyone to perform the same, people are different and have different speeds. Someone is slower, someone is faster, and you can't punish anyone for that. If a kid does something wrong - you tell them it's wrong and explain how to do better in a calm and friendly manner.
On imitative recording: I understand your point 100%. But as a viewer, and especially with the modern UA-cam landscape as you pointed out, it's not always obvious what's real footage and what's recreation for the sake of video flow. A simple solution would be to have "Recreation" on a corner of the video when using recreation footage. Just for the sake of transparency.
Will very likely be doing this going forward. Originally, I actually had a whole segment in this video dedicated to that argument in particular as it's one I've grappled with several times myself. Having disclaimers was actually my original intention when conceptualizing the footage, but when I started adding them onto the timeline, I realized it was both extremely ugly and immersion-breaking. I tried to turn down the opacity to make it less apparent, but it's less so a visual gripe and more-so a psychological one. The best comparison I can give to illustrate this would be any "actors, not real people" text below your average TV ad. I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me, whenever I end up reading that line, my brain starts moving towards judging the acting chops of the people involved and less-so on the product itself. I realized that me doing this would move focus away from the story I'm trying to tell and instead towards the creation process behind it, and that's why I've ultimately decided against it for the longest time. However, as of this video, everyone now knows how the sausage is made, if I don't point it out myself, y'all will start searching lol. Unless there's an adequate reason to retain the old method, this will probably be the new road I'll be taking.
@@WeezyTF2 Yeah, I'd highly recommend to put a caption "scene re-acted" or something like that, not many people have enough perception to know what's what. I'm glad you're improving.
@@WeezyTF2I would say if you don’t want it in the video for that reason, at least have it in the description. It feels more open and honest for people that aren’t on Reddit or your discord
Yeah I'll be honest. As a low tour, I'd prefer my team to be also just low tours. It means the waves are a bit harder, but it also means we're all on the same page about our skills and can generally have a fun time strategizing on how to beat the Waves.
I have 96 tours and 11/10 times I play 2 cities low tour lobbies are way more fun. High tours tend to optimize the fun out of the game, so the challenge winds up nonexistent and the demoman gets 300k damage and I just afk in spawn. Low tours make mistakes like we all do, and that means trying different strategies on the fly. It's great!
@bozotheclown1142 that guy is actually a real dude, he's literally a one-to-one recreation of him. He's the dad of a guy called "Pirate Software" and it's really funny.
I’ve always thought I was terminally online, until *plenty* of others have proven to me that my online hours are absolutely pathetic compared to how many thousands to tens of thousands of hours they can spend online. But Basil? May as well augment himself to become cybernetic and literally upload himself into the internet at this point.
Basil griefed lobbies of unsuspecting players, cause of one potential offender. Weezy slowed down and helped a lobby of new players despite being under a time crunch.
Most games really need a bot that detects it and instantly kicks the player out the match with a 10 minute time-out. Next infraction is 30 minutes and the next becomes 60. Logging in and out won't bypass it.
My favorite part of all this is that Basil was shown in a semi-positive (or neutral) light in the first two videos. Dude really went: "I wasn't put on a pedistal and praised like a god and so I'm mad"
If he actually had just shut his mouth and didn't have this manbaby tantrum AND PROCEEDED TO GO WITH THE LITTLE BABY FIT, practically no one would know about these things he did.
Ehh this creator is kind of a toxic bi**h if i've seen one but basil aint better much still he does have dedication all he needs is a fine job and something to put that dedication to.
The fact that his reaction is "you impersonated me in those clips" instead of "I never actually did anything I'm being accused of" speaks volumes. It's like he's being accused of murder that took place in the evening, and he responds with "no they died in the morning". Or a documentary is being made about the murder where they use a reconstruction to show you what happened, and instead of saying "I didn't do it", he says "that's not me in those clips". Like, really? That's what you take issue with? Not actually being accused of something you apparently didn't do?
And when it's just a reenactment of what did actually happen, I don't see how it would matter anyways??? It's like watching a Civil War documentary and coming away claiming the Civil War didn't happen because the reenactment footage is of modern people in costumes and not actual 1860s soldiers. They're not impersonators or trying to claim the reenacted clip is real??? They're just playing a part for some footage?? Does this guy go to a community production of Hamlet and yell at the actors for not really being actual Danish royalty??
I'm thinking he might want to start maybe showing a "artists rendition" disclaimer or something on screen to avoid this kinda headache in the future. It's stupid that this is apparently an issue but people are wild and luckily it's not that hard to change.
@@thewolfofthestars1847 It does devalue it somewhat as he's admitted to dramatizing to a degree. Even a SLIGHT degree. I do care somewhat, but only enough to slightly discredit the videos. I'd never make a serious judgment based on what fucking Weezy posted. Man is a funny banana talking about someone who was entirely anon until he deciding to show himself to the wider world. He could've just changed his name and it'd be whatever, no one would know, instead he's acting crazy (Basil is acting crazy).
The dude clearly has paranoid delusions, probably legitimately mentally ill, you don't understand how that makes people think and act, especially if they are unmedicated.
yes and at this point, it would be a logically more sound argument to say "it is not valid evidence because the video being displayed is just a copy of the reconstruction of the events that are encoded as a binary string saved on a magnetic strip" than to argue whatever Basil is trying to push. What is he really defending, his image that is tied to the rhetorical integrity of the situation presented, or just that the footage was not ensured to be the real deal? I'm of the opinion that he is not mentally apt enough to know what is at stake to begin with
i thought at first Basil would be just another chaotic neutral/lawful evil knight templar with skewered principles, but turns out he's the "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself as a villain" guy in the making.
15:38 this is funny because it implies a grand majority of mvm players aren't people who only play the mode to kill robots for half an hour and don't even know there's insane drama and infighting going on 24/7
There’s probably a bunch of people like that. Hell I do that. You think I’m going to notice a cheater when I’m just there to have fun mindlessly killing bots?
@@TheSuperappelflap”Right next to you” being the key phrase. You think I’m gonna notice an aimbot sniper? I hard main medic in MVM, I’m nowhere near the bot.
Oh shit, you really ARE Weezy (I was the engineer mentioned by the griefer in the coal town mission towards the earlier half of the video. I can corroborate that everything he's showing on screen for that misison is true!)
In that case, god bless you for letting the sniper play what he wanted. I don’t really play MVM these days (for normal reasons, not the griefers), but half the fun when I did was from the randos I played with keeping things fresh with their antics. Go ahead, sniper, do what you want; your fun keeps things fun for me too.
I've dealt with one of those vigilante/troll MVM players before. I was under the impression that it was just a freak random occurrence. They were older tacobot members (probably put me on their list from ages ago I don't know), was around 2018-2020. And the whole reason why this even happened, is because a demo on our team was using a normal sticky launcher, which yeah sure people like the Scottish Resistance is more optimal, but this demo was absolutely SLAYING the robots. He was so good he was outmatching everyone. But because he was using normal sticky launcher they basically deadlocked the lobby for at least 2 hours until he left. It was maybe a stupid decision on my part but we decided we were going to stay no matter how long it took. They eventually gave up, poor losers. Probably the most cult like, toxic gaming experience I ever had. Sad to see it's still around, and now with the whole bot/cheating angle too.
This taco thing I can vaguely remember, again, I said before, has pedophilia issues and CP issues (not capture point either) The fact I can barely remember this, and the first thing that comes to mind is “ that community has a history of pedophilia “ is bad. No one should immediately remember your community being around CP and pedos. Hilarious. Glad I don’t ever see them or barley hear of them. Get blocked and move on, or go to servers that ban clowns like this and follow up actual, legal, law enforcement assistance when dealing with people who promote, safeguard and help LITERAL CP and Pedophilia. God, how did we ever get to a weird taco group supporting MVM attacks and griefing and child exploitation.
@@kabooki22again, a MVM, child exploitation, TF2 steam group that goes around harassing people, throwing games and most importantly harassing and exploiting children on a game. Taco something, all I remember of it, and all those unpleasant memories come rushing back. Jesus lol if I were them I’d disband that shitshow. If I knew where the group was or if the memebers had a group again I’d report it via steam report, disgusting people with a literal heroin like addiction to MVM and children. Very strange stuff, the reason why I quit certain games and communities actually.
I imagine the reason that the reason basil thinks you would jump through all these hoops to make you look bad is because he assumes you're as insane and vengeful as he is lol
Bro, that group he was with has some serious mental issues and child exploitation accusations, and mentally ill people tend to abuse kids anyways so there’s that. Serious issues, serious accusations and serious proof. Taco whatever, i remember that name and group and all the memories of some weirdos exploiting kids come back. If I were them, I’d bury this and never speak of it again and change all my usernames 😂
This is unironically one of the best drama response videos on UA-cam. Takes accountability of your past mistakes that was brought up, gives the accuser every benefit of the doubt despite their insane claims and actually defends them in slight ways to make their character consistent for the facts to make proper sense. It's actually impressive something like this is from MVM griefers refusing to accept they're not the main characters.
One thing I never understood is: "You have low tour numbers so I'm griefing and/or kicking you" Gee how can I get higher tour numbers if they won't let me play the damn game?
@@nameless...................... i never understood why people do that. Probably because nowadays mostly teenagers play. Keep trying you will eventually find players that are friendly to play with (I have annoyingly high ping & lag so I get kicked alot but when I do find a great sever with understanding players we get quite a few hours of great games)
He needs to try outdoor gardening. He would live up to his name and he'd be touching grass. Granted, it's not a great time to start (it's Christmas at the time of writing) but he can always plan ahead for the next growing season. Basil is easy to grow and it's a great companion for tomatoes.
I mean, who'd have thought? Someone who spends their full playtime on a coop game trying to make sure everyone else on their team doesn't win is also otherwise unhinged and not mentally stable? That said it feels like Weezy had his own kind of retributional fun with this, so he's probably not letting it get to him.
@@landlockedcroat1554 I think that's a bit naive. Money is nice for security, but it doesn‘t really help with if your character is pulled into question. We’ve seen incredibly rich people fall down the mental health spiral when they got shat on publicly in recent times. Money can give you the resources to retreat to your bubble and not engage with the drama, but clearly that isn‘t the case here as he engages with it.
I've quasi run into Basil a few times in the wild, but every time he always bails on the group immediately upon loading in, presumably because the team isn't entirely composed of people with 100+ tours.
I can understand griefing the cheaters, but griefing innocent players makes you as bad as the cheaters. You basically became what you sought to destroy.
Guys, did you know that the ship used in the movie "Titanic" isn't the real titanic? and the actors aren't even the original people who died on the ship either!! Scandalous!!!
Yeah same here. I never realized that. Someone already said this but in the future Weezy should put a "recreation" tag in the corner to make it less confusing for people like us. And also make it so Basil can't say that Weezy has been using body doubles to fake accusations, because he admits to making some stuff to make it easier to read.
@@mariustan9275 yeah i agree with everything he has to say in the video but i actually do disagree with using recreated footage, unless its explicitly told to the viewer that thats what they are looking at. even if its 1-1 the exact same things basil did.
On the topic of recreated footage, I largely agree with Weezy. Plenty of documentaries recreate footage to give the audience an idea of what happened. However, the good documentaries include some sort of disclaimer that the footage is recreated so the audience is not left in the dark about what's genuine, and what's a recreation. Weezy is right that a recreation of Basil flying around is not really material to anything, so it doesn't matter that it's recreated ... but it is inherently slightly misleading to not disclose that until called out on it. I'm certainly not defending Basil here, his behaviour sounds absolutely insane, but it would probably be wise for Weezy to disclose what's recreated in videos going forward so the audience can better decide for themselves what to believe, without wondering what's real, and what's fake. TL;DR, I agree with Weezy's use of reconstructed footage, but I disagree that it's wholly immaterial without a disclaimer that certain shots are reconstructed. We can't read Weezy's mind, we weren't there, we can't easily tell what's real and what's not. Thus, there's room for confusion and misinformation.
I think he should put out a little disclaimer in the future, not so much because it’s underhanded to use recreations, just that he goes after some really unhinged people who pick at any small flaw, real or not, and the disclaimer would help to defuse that argument
12:48 "I barely tried to hide it." Weezy admits he was, in fact, trying to hide that he was using reenacted footage. I'm not siding with either of them, but Weezy was wrong for misleading his viewers. It's clear why Basil lead with that point. Even if he recreated it genuinely, the fact he tried to hide it is wrong, tantamount to lying to his audience.
@@BetterOnichThanSorryYep, that's exactly my point put much more succinctly, thank you. Weezy isn't a documentarian, he probably never studied the ethics of media, so I think we can give him a pass for the past. However, this is a a material lesson in what can happen when you don't disclose the whole truth while making a documentary, or anything documentary adjacent. A valuable lesson for everyone making media of any kind. I hope Weezy learns from his mistakes, and improves in the future.
I’ve had a personal experience with uhh… bill murray? Idk the most toxic guy(formerly…maybe) in mvm. He’s just as toxic as you think. I WAS PLAYING PYRO TOO! so yeah, they are what they seem and they don’t really like people unless they do certain things.
the entire situation just feels like some expert lawyer who has all the evidence in the world to prove that some angry child did something wrong but the child just stands outside of the court screaming that he did nothing wrong and occasionally walks in the court and ignores the lawyer just to go back to screaming
Idk dude this is basically just weezy sending fans after someone he acknowledges as deeply mentally ill. It’s more like if a lawyer tried to organize an angry mob against said child
Can we give basil the jester of hypocrisy in MvM? He claims to stop pizzabot yet causes the same if not more trouble the moment his ego gets slightly offended. Claims to stop griefing cheaters yet griefs servers and whines on social media every other hour
i remember when i saw Basil with my own eyes in a mann up game. we were waiting for somebody else to join as we had 5/6 people. as i stared at the server list, i saw a person with 1000 tours join. i felt like i had known who he is, but i never could put a finger on actually WHERE i heard him from. thankfully, we were all pretty low tours so he left a couple seconds later. it wasnt till we started the match i said to myself "holy fuck, that was the pyro guy"
Just unreal how people can be this neurotic. It's a *freaking game* . I wonder what these people would be like in real life. I'd seriously like to meet them... see if they're just screwed up online, or if it's a through-and-through thing. Edit: Posted this while still watching the video. Your final statement had me rolling: "Now go get therapy, this shit isn't normal." Germany has social healthcare. Maybe he can get in to see a descendant of Freud for free?
Bro is about to hit jail if he keeps it up lol if he’s in the US, it won’t be good, if he’s in Germany, he may get the help he needs. Nonetheless, a child exploitation group named taco something is there and he’s a member of it 🤣 bro, the moment I found some groups of mine had people like that in it I reported it and dropped out ASAP. Assholes, abusers and shitheads are everywhere. It’s one thing accidentally being associated and doing the right thing, Then there’s basil, who actively participated and participates in child exploitation and harassment. Wild.
@WeezyTF2 10:55 you can probably avoid this issue by recording demos with p-rec. Install it, type prec_mode_3 into console, and every game you play will be recorded to be played back using TF2's demo system. Extremely useful as shadowplay automatically saves the time and date of each saved clip, and demos are named based on the time they started as well. Saves text chat, voice chat, everything.
I have a suspicion basil doesn't have much going on in his life, nobody older than 6 should have enough free time to do this shit everyday. What a fucking loser
I'm really grateful for these videos, because usually they pop up into my feed when I'm having second thoughts about life, questions, or think I'm a loser. And these videos help remind me that I do indeed have my life together and I'm not, in fact, a total loser like these two.
@@krsvi713 That can be a solution, but you can still to negatively impact the game, and otherwise grief it. Perhaps it will only make it harder, yet it can be done. They're a motivated bunch. All they just need to do is even bother to fix the sole problem of knockback resistance broken. So much so, they've acknowledge the problem in the past post Jungle-Inferno. It's just that the TF-Team is slow to do stuff & check for other areas of abusive behaviors. Being able to remove them, and have them stay out? Priceless fix that's needed the most.
@@Ultra289I'd rather take this fix than giving them any way of screwing the game As I had said it before, airblast is the worst thing to ever exist in MvM exclusively.
If you want to be a vigilante, you usually want to make yourself look good in everyone’s eyes Or just become apart of the civilian side, and be a force to do something
personally, the concept of vigilantism intrigues me. in this instance, the video could be a case study on the dark side of vigilantism, when they believe themselves completely in the right and become no better than the criminals they hunt. more fuel for my research, i suppose
@@Underworlder5 Vigilantism is from the belief that the Authority isn't doing anything or enough to deal with certain issues. Very easy to see why people support, if not, glorify such actions against targets that socially people wouldn't like. Obviously, TF2 has a cheating problem because Valve isn't interested to tackle the issue in significant capacities anymore. At the same time, Mann-up is a Pay-to-Enter experience, and very well they can be aware of it all; although they are also benefiting from cheaters buying tickets to consume them. This is actually seen with those predator catcher videos on UA-cam, and extreme wacky conspiracy theories that fuel these beliefs where society isn't, "Doing enough," to punish accused/convicted persons. Rightfully so we don't like the ones who prey, yet most of those groups would love nothing more than to deliver street justice, and captivate an audience for it. In this case, the Authority, Valve, refuses to do anything about rampant cheating. Then so, the solution becomes self-appointed, "MVM Community," members to griefing cheaters.
@@theflyingcatzthen he’ll say you faked it anyways and lied about it lol mentally ill people tf2 sub game mode exploiting children. What did you expect? Logic? The guy and group who griefed also exploited children. What do we expect from someone so unstable?
For the claim that Basil harrasses low tours, ive been in servers with me and friends (all under 20 tours) while he has 200+, and he immediately leaves. We've never been griefed by him, but its happed two or three times on 2 Cities specificly in which he joins, sees low tours, and leaves. It seems like a similar situation tho.
What the… I just finished watching the two cheaters in mvm videos and found the sections talking about the schizophrenic behavior of various mvm players both interesting and informative. I thought to myself, “ I wonder if weezy has anymore videos covering this?” Wake up and this is the first thing I see. Thank you weezy and please get out of my walls.
hey weezy, near the bottom of advanced settings. you can turn on demo recordings for ALL your games, meaning you can just use a demo file and record different points of view and footage and stuff and just aim the camera after the fact.
It's funny, cuz I randomly met him when playing on Pineapple MvM event. Glad it was a moment when he didn't do any weird stuff but it sure is good to know what sort of players participate in these events.
I was one of the people Basil responded to on Twitter, and literally the first thought I had was, “Okay? Who cares?” Compared to so many other content creators on this cesspool of a sight, getting relevant background footage and exposing a goober for who they are isn’t damning. It’s both understandable, and hilarious.
The way Basel is handling this is... Odd to say the least. Why you would act like that when faced with the perception that you suck-basically proving it right- is beyond me.
I myself don’t like cheaters, but, oh man those tacobots and any other toxic MVM groups like them look like Cheatphobia or CheatSupportphobia are actual real things LOL.
i got kicked by some of either tacobot or pizzabot members while in a lobby with a guy named lollichop enjoyer and gentleman. its kinda bullshit that happens.
I (think) I know why these anti-cheating groups really hate cheating THAT MUCH. It’s not strange that most TF2 community focus and plays more in the PvP “Standard” gamemode (AKA casual), and the PvE community (AKA MVM) is pretty much smaller than them because the game was born in the PvP playstyle and they released Mann Vs. Machine some years later. So, as part of the playerbase who likes MVM more than Casual, we just accept the fact that most people in TF2 don’t even mind or care about MvM the same level as Casual, and probably even Tacobots or any group dedicated in MvM are fine with this. HOWEVER, when people do these cheats, those anti-cheating people think that they are telling them: “MVM is boring, i just came for the loot.” Straight to their faces. And problem is, they apply that logic to every cheater supporter as well, because they accept cheating in order to get loot faster. Tacobots and any other MVM groups like them represent the people of the community who enjoy playing MVM instead of getting loot, which is funny and kinda ironic, since it’s VERY rare to see them in custom MVM missions (like potato.tf missions), in which even the smaller community around custom MVM are the actual ones to play it for fun more than loot (I guess) and you have the advantage of not finding hackers in bootcamp and custom MVM, because, why would they cheat if they can’t get loot other than experience in which they don’t care?
I had my first encounter with a griefer in mvm recently. All of us were low tours except him, but we stuck it out and by god we kicked him at just the right time for a random other player to join. I will never forget the resolve this lobby full of low tours expressed.
21:45 Something else that should've been noted: If cheater supporters are just as bad as cheaters, then griefer supporters are just as bad as griefers.
The thing about body doubles, I agree it is necessary and even beneficial to use them, however it does feel somewhat underhanded when you reveal that purportedly “real” clips are re-enactments. I think it would benefit you to make some sort of disclaimer on re-enacted clips, like they do in TV, nothing major, more just a textbox in a corner saying “re-enactment”. At the very least, this would give you a much stronger defence that “yeah I did it without really bringing it up but that’s just cinema”, especially because documentaries state when their footage is original or contemporary.
@@spartanwar1185 If you look through the comments that Weezy has responded to, he has seen comments like these and has replied to them. Quoting Weezy: "Will very likely be doing this going forward. Originally, I actually had a whole segment in this video dedicated to that argument in particular as it's one I've grappled with several times myself. Having disclaimers was actually my original intention when conceptualizing the footage, but when I started adding them onto the timeline, I realized it was both extremely ugly and immersion-breaking. I tried to turn down the opacity to make it less apparent, but it's less so a visual gripe and more-so a psychological one. The best comparison I can give to illustrate this would be any "actors, not real people" text below your average TV ad. I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me, whenever I end up reading that line, my brain starts moving towards judging the acting chops of the people involved and less-so on the product itself. I realized that me doing this would move focus away from the story I'm trying to tell and instead towards the creation process behind it, and that's why I've ultimately decided against it for the longest time. However, as of this video, everyone now knows how the sausage is made, if I don't point it out myself, y'all will start searching lol. Unless there's an adequate reason to retain the old method, this will probably be the new road I'll be taking."
For every toxic Pyro main, there is a friendly Pybro. Looking at the comments below, wow you guys sure like to group in every main of a class like they behave the same.
Played a handful of rounds. Ran a couple through during infinite money, don't feel bad. Had NO idea the MvM community was this dramatic, toxic, and salty. Holy hell am I going to do a bit of trolling between now and new year. Thanks for the videos mate.
Ok so just to add onto the fact that Basil doesn't just grief cheats, the second ever game of MvM i played was tormented by him because 1. I was new 2. A high tour was given me advice to help me get better Thats it thats all it was
A quote I heard recently, slightly paraphrased: "I always assume I'm a bastard, because if I always assume I'm a good person I can come up with any sociopathic rational to justify my bad behavior."
My favorite part about this is that if basil just didn't bring it up constantly no one would care he trolls games. Him trying to prove himself innocent has brought the strysan effect in full force and now everyone knows he's a troll.
I always find unbelievable the ammount of insanity that just one mode can provide! i've never played MvM, i'm just here for the banana man's voice talking about his hobbies but i'm glad that this kind of strange people fuel your channel's revenue, keep going Weezy!
They're genuinely so egotistical that they can't admit that getting so tilted and petty over a guy calling them out for being so petty and tilted over a side-mode on a nearly two decade game is kinda silly.
High Tour Autists making their own worst enemies is something of a running trend, from Tacobot, to MARI to Basil himself. Every single one of these groups or individuals made their enemies through their own behaviour in-game, and hilariously, all their "worst enemies" did to earn their ire was record and reveal exactly what they were doing to the public.
Hey that's great. In the future, to avoid this type of controversy happening again, it's probably a good idea to put a little "recreated footage" in one of the corners to clear up any ambiguity. I understand it slightly reduces the quality of the video, but the fact you had to hide it makes you seem suspicious.
I remember opening the Basil document , skimming through it, and it was just the most "who the fuck cares" thing i've ever read. Its very funny to see them post it under EVERY SINGLE TWEET YOU MAKE
MVM is like the containment board of TF2, let's hope for the sake of all us regular players that it never get's shut down so that the MVM users don't spill out.
I find it funny since I’ve never ran into griefers or cheaters in MVM, or indeed anyone weird on TF2. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or Asian servers are just more normal lmao
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i think specifying if something is a reenactment just like a popup in the corner just so brainlets have no water in the future
Ah yes war thunder; a place where basil doesn't exist.
You gave him too much attention and closure. You shouldve just made a short video clowning him.
Ahh yes, Weezy taking a war thunder sponsor literal days after they release yet another classified (not really this time) document 🙏
Game recognizes game
As a war thunder vet, please don't fet addicted
MvM players who completed hundreds of same missions in this gamemode abandoned by Valve can end up in two ways:
-Starting to use unconventional strategies for fun
-Schizophrenia
i like to combine the two
I simply began making my own mvm missions if valve isn't gonna be making more of them themselves
As a Titanfall gamer, it's terrifying how common this pattern is noticeable after seeing a community you're a part of become the latter
@@Azazel386 you forgot the most important thing for MVM players: Loot (90% of MvM players will not play if it does not give out loot)
"gamemode abandoned by valve" brother remove mode from that sentence
-talks to MvM player
-player is insane
Shocker
-talks to TF2 player
-player is insane
What no real updates do to a mf
@@Alice-he2zh What expecting a dev to be constantly adding new content to a 16 year old game and hallucinating that the summer update didn't happen do to a mf
this is what it does when doing one thing everyday for years does to a mf
@@williamfrederickson1702 they said "no real updates" genius, the most the summer update added was le funny reddit seal, may as well have been a patch.
People are shitty because of the heavy update never coming out
@@slvrshore5300 failed troll, try harder
For someone named "Basil" the amount of plants he has seen in total is underwhelming
Kel
\Ö/ Omg Kel pfp!!!!!
Legend speaks about how he basically got a diploma in fungurology by moving through his mothers womb.
Why are you mad? That's dedication just give him a job at a factory and a tool he'll be making a fine salary and have employee of the month.
FATALITY
I have a feeling that if MVM ever dies, all of these griefers will try to defend themselves saying that they were trying to “save MVM” and most likely make a fake apology
More than likely
Considering everything that has happened in MVM, I think this will happen in just a couple years.
Yeah sucks that this will probably happen
same thing happened to a discord server was in except with politics
so i was in a discord server based around a small roblox game and it started dying because the head dev moved onto other projects it was maybe around early to mid 2023 when 1 person started posting about the russo ukraine war. we all thought this was just some friendly small news coverage but then it started to get worse he started posting more about it and this was in memes channel for some damn reason, basically smothered all the memes going into that channel. and then people started to discuss about the war in memes channel and need i remind you there was a specific rule about "no politics"? me and the other memebers tried to stop them but the one who started the war posting said "oh were just keeping the server alive by posting in memes so that people can check memes" and that was the most stupid reason ive ever heard we tried talking to mods about it but it was like talking into a brick wall and its still going on to this day.
damn why did i even write this rant
They already genuinely believe this. MVM's Community supported these mindsets for years, and there is no changing them.
The only way they get completely stuffed is for the TF-Team to fix temporary soft-bans on successful kicks. Only the advantage of rejoining games after kicks to grief is what they have.
Write emails, and make some noise after the holidays; maybe they can fix it for next year.
Weezy feels like the narrator in animal documentaries that calmly explains a zebra getting mauled to death
He's the narrator that calmly describes low-tours getting airblasted into submission
And he has beef with said zebra
Except he sounds like while watching said zebra, he knows he is next to be mauled and is just sorta waiting for it to happen
And then talks mostly about their mating rituals.
Seriously, it feels like 70% I ever see is them talking about mating.
I could do a drinking game of how many times they say female and it would be more times than Jacksepticeye saying "top of the morning" in all his videos combined.
Oh. Hi there nacho.
The edit of the document after this video came out is **golden**.
For all of you who don’t want to read it, basically basil timestamps all the moments in this video anything slightly bad is said about him, ignores what he can’t deny, and skips over the parts where basil is being defended. And it’s written in the third person which is hilarious.
(If I made a mistake in my summary please do tell me)
He is schizo enough to type in 3rd person un-ironically? I’ve never seen such a sad being such as basil before.
@@scooby8800 i have, chris chan
oh my, that's absolutely great
greatly stupid, of course
How much of the video did he actually skip? My guess, around 2/3
@@scooby8800by what I can tell this is because Basil claims to not be the only one writing the document, and if nothing else it is a group effort.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, but it doesn’t really make things better for him, nor does the rest of his updates.
Even taking the rest of his claims in the updated document at face value, the most substantial thing that Weezy would be wrong on would be… Basil not being the guy who got into a flame war with Weezy on Twitter and Discord, and accusing him of said flame war when it was really some other bad actor. Most of the other responses either deal with minor technical gripes or I would argue are misrepresentations of Weezy’s positions, intentional or otherwise.
Thankfully, Basil claims to have turned over a new leaf and seems to want to put a lot of this Weezy drama behind him. If it’s out of a legitimate change of heart or a cope to deal with being humiliated on the internet, I can’t say. Either way though, I hope he’s learned something from all this and improves as a person and as a TF2 player, and that his shenanigans are truly over.
MvM players will never cease to amaze me with how ridiculous they can get
I have been kicked from like 21 mvm tours, all because I have a furry pfp
@@gloob70 mf's are so childish
@@gloob70 Clearly a huge problem that makes the game unplayable
@@thatredpyro6890 hating someone for simply enjoying a hobby is one of the most childish things you can do
@@gloob70 deserved
“When will WeezyTF2 admit his mistakes?”
The projection from that title alone is enough to power an entire IMAX theater.
maybe we'll see it on an alex jones podcast
Nah, thats enough projection to power every playing of Avatar(the one with the blue people) in a cinema, ever.
@@wilsonweiseng6485
*”WEEZYTF2 IS MAKING THE MVM PLAYERS GAY!”*
@@danaa- And the director's cuts.
@@bigboyepic8598 and the sequels.
Basil the kinda teacher that says the whole class is in trouble if the 1 kid who did something doesn’t confess
and the whole class gets in trouble even if the 1 kid does confess
Thats different, thats accountability, discipline and sense of brotherhood in a way
@@rimanahbveeyou were probably the kid who didn’t confess because you thought your classmates would stand with you.
No, no we wouldn’t, don’t drag us down because you’re a coward.
@@CamTheWarlock ??????????????????????????????????????????????? what the fuck are you talking about
@@rimanahbvee for a military, but school isn't military, and you can't expect everyone to perform the same, people are different and have different speeds. Someone is slower, someone is faster, and you can't punish anyone for that. If a kid does something wrong - you tell them it's wrong and explain how to do better in a calm and friendly manner.
On imitative recording: I understand your point 100%. But as a viewer, and especially with the modern UA-cam landscape as you pointed out, it's not always obvious what's real footage and what's recreation for the sake of video flow.
A simple solution would be to have "Recreation" on a corner of the video when using recreation footage. Just for the sake of transparency.
Sounds like a good idea
Will very likely be doing this going forward.
Originally, I actually had a whole segment in this video dedicated to that argument in particular as it's one I've grappled with several times myself. Having disclaimers was actually my original intention when conceptualizing the footage, but when I started adding them onto the timeline, I realized it was both extremely ugly and immersion-breaking. I tried to turn down the opacity to make it less apparent, but it's less so a visual gripe and more-so a psychological one.
The best comparison I can give to illustrate this would be any "actors, not real people" text below your average TV ad. I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me, whenever I end up reading that line, my brain starts moving towards judging the acting chops of the people involved and less-so on the product itself. I realized that me doing this would move focus away from the story I'm trying to tell and instead towards the creation process behind it, and that's why I've ultimately decided against it for the longest time.
However, as of this video, everyone now knows how the sausage is made, if I don't point it out myself, y'all will start searching lol. Unless there's an adequate reason to retain the old method, this will probably be the new road I'll be taking.
@@WeezyTF2 Yeah, I'd highly recommend to put a caption "scene re-acted" or something like that, not many people have enough perception to know what's what. I'm glad you're improving.
@@WeezyTF2To be fair For that point Recrestion of Grief footage should have some people who helped and knew what would happen
@@WeezyTF2I would say if you don’t want it in the video for that reason, at least have it in the description. It feels more open and honest for people that aren’t on Reddit or your discord
Yeah I'll be honest. As a low tour, I'd prefer my team to be also just low tours. It means the waves are a bit harder, but it also means we're all on the same page about our skills and can generally have a fun time strategizing on how to beat the Waves.
Also there isn't really a wrong way to play. If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.
I have 96 tours and 11/10 times I play 2 cities low tour lobbies are way more fun. High tours tend to optimize the fun out of the game, so the challenge winds up nonexistent and the demoman gets 300k damage and I just afk in spawn. Low tours make mistakes like we all do, and that means trying different strategies on the fly. It's great!
Well tf2 works on "if it sounds stupid, but it works, then it not stupid".
There is of course a balance; it’s not that fun when you don’t have a medic *or* engineer and half your teammates are lobotomites
@@fauxparadox100% agree
Basil takes “terminally online” to a whole new level. If he probably could’ve started his own company with the amount of dedication he has😂
He's the guy with no life from South Park
@bozotheclown1142 that guy is actually a real dude, he's literally a one-to-one recreation of him. He's the dad of a guy called "Pirate Software" and it's really funny.
bro he commented on the video an hour ago putting four different messages
I’ve always thought I was terminally online, until *plenty* of others have proven to me that my online hours are absolutely pathetic compared to how many thousands to tens of thousands of hours they can spend online. But Basil? May as well augment himself to become cybernetic and literally upload himself into the internet at this point.
me when being an asshole gets me recognized as an asshole:
The “touch grass” meme unironically applies to people exactly like Basil
True
Epic username
it's almost worryingly on the verge of clinical how deeply delusional they can get
Legweak I agree
Ironic that he's a herb
Basil griefed lobbies of unsuspecting players, cause of one potential offender.
Weezy slowed down and helped a lobby of new players despite being under a time crunch.
Ngl legit cried last video when you did that.
"We are not the same"
Nuff said
Basil = 🤡
Most games really need a bot that detects it and instantly kicks the player out the match with a 10 minute time-out. Next infraction is 30 minutes and the next becomes 60. Logging in and out won't bypass it.
My favorite part of all this is that Basil was shown in a semi-positive (or neutral) light in the first two videos.
Dude really went: "I wasn't put on a pedistal and praised like a god and so I'm mad"
Truly sad, this leafy green.
If he actually had just shut his mouth and didn't have this manbaby tantrum AND PROCEEDED TO GO WITH THE LITTLE BABY FIT, practically no one would know about these things he did.
or in other words, "why aren't people treating me like the main character"
Basil really sticking it to the man by giving him a source of revenue
@@slvrshore5300Hi Basil 👋
True, great pfp by the way
Ehh this creator is kind of a toxic bi**h if i've seen one but basil aint better much still he does have dedication all he needs is a fine job and something to put that dedication to.
The fact that his reaction is "you impersonated me in those clips" instead of "I never actually did anything I'm being accused of" speaks volumes.
It's like he's being accused of murder that took place in the evening, and he responds with "no they died in the morning".
Or a documentary is being made about the murder where they use a reconstruction to show you what happened, and instead of saying "I didn't do it", he says "that's not me in those clips".
Like, really? That's what you take issue with? Not actually being accused of something you apparently didn't do?
And when it's just a reenactment of what did actually happen, I don't see how it would matter anyways??? It's like watching a Civil War documentary and coming away claiming the Civil War didn't happen because the reenactment footage is of modern people in costumes and not actual 1860s soldiers. They're not impersonators or trying to claim the reenacted clip is real??? They're just playing a part for some footage?? Does this guy go to a community production of Hamlet and yell at the actors for not really being actual Danish royalty??
I'm thinking he might want to start maybe showing a "artists rendition" disclaimer or something on screen to avoid this kinda headache in the future. It's stupid that this is apparently an issue but people are wild and luckily it's not that hard to change.
@@thewolfofthestars1847 It does devalue it somewhat as he's admitted to dramatizing to a degree. Even a SLIGHT degree. I do care somewhat, but only enough to slightly discredit the videos. I'd never make a serious judgment based on what fucking Weezy posted. Man is a funny banana talking about someone who was entirely anon until he deciding to show himself to the wider world. He could've just changed his name and it'd be whatever, no one would know, instead he's acting crazy (Basil is acting crazy).
The dude clearly has paranoid delusions, probably legitimately mentally ill, you don't understand how that makes people think and act, especially if they are unmedicated.
yes and at this point, it would be a logically more sound argument to say "it is not valid evidence because the video being displayed is just a copy of the reconstruction of the events that are encoded as a binary string saved on a magnetic strip" than to argue whatever Basil is trying to push. What is he really defending, his image that is tied to the rhetorical integrity of the situation presented, or just that the footage was not ensured to be the real deal? I'm of the opinion that he is not mentally apt enough to know what is at stake to begin with
i thought at first Basil would be just another chaotic neutral/lawful evil knight templar with skewered principles, but turns out he's the "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself as a villain" guy in the making.
Never meet your heroes 😢
15:38 this is funny because it implies a grand majority of mvm players aren't people who only play the mode to kill robots for half an hour and don't even know there's insane drama and infighting going on 24/7
There’s probably a bunch of people like that. Hell I do that. You think I’m going to notice a cheater when I’m just there to have fun mindlessly killing bots?
@@Ceece20Yeah. I like to kill robots and I always notice cheaters.
@@Ceece20 I mean its kind of hard to miss someone aimbotting right next to you, its that you dont care.
@@TheSuperappelflap if their playing sniper on the rock? No I won’t. That’s literally the entire gameplay for them.
@@TheSuperappelflap”Right next to you” being the key phrase. You think I’m gonna notice an aimbot sniper? I hard main medic in MVM, I’m nowhere near the bot.
In my opinion, those who believe that they're absolute justice are the ones who perfectly fits the definition of a villain.
Big fan of your content, and I also agree.
*fit, sorry about the grammar correction but I agree
Sounds like the ideology of a certain German Dictator
True
Like playing a victim while the playing the victim itself is a the bad guy
self righteous mofos amirite
in ww2 the ratio of non-combatant deaths : combatant deaths was 3:1
basil has a higher kd of innocents than the nazis
Gyad dayam
Welcome to Skitzo, I love you.
Ummm okay then that's really concerning 😂😂
Every time I think an MvM player is schizophrenic enough to get sent to the psych ward, an even bigger schizo appears minutes later.
You down a schizo's HP bar only for the next phase with a new schizo spawning in
@@omnibeta1876 imagine seeing a healthbar everytime you encounter a schizo
“METAL SCHIZO IS KILLING US!”
there's always a bigger fish
*Roar sound*
"Another Schizo has awoken!"
Oh shit, you really ARE Weezy
(I was the engineer mentioned by the griefer in the coal town mission towards the earlier half of the video. I can corroborate that everything he's showing on screen for that misison is true!)
In that case, god bless you for letting the sniper play what he wanted. I don’t really play MVM these days (for normal reasons, not the griefers), but half the fun when I did was from the randos I played with keeping things fresh with their antics. Go ahead, sniper, do what you want; your fun keeps things fun for me too.
@@isenokami7810 low tours are a different breed, and I love them
I've dealt with one of those vigilante/troll MVM players before. I was under the impression that it was just a freak random occurrence. They were older tacobot members (probably put me on their list from ages ago I don't know), was around 2018-2020. And the whole reason why this even happened, is because a demo on our team was using a normal sticky launcher, which yeah sure people like the Scottish Resistance is more optimal, but this demo was absolutely SLAYING the robots. He was so good he was outmatching everyone. But because he was using normal sticky launcher they basically deadlocked the lobby for at least 2 hours until he left. It was maybe a stupid decision on my part but we decided we were going to stay no matter how long it took. They eventually gave up, poor losers.
Probably the most cult like, toxic gaming experience I ever had. Sad to see it's still around, and now with the whole bot/cheating angle too.
Imagine theses people tag you as ape yet, their attitude is around one or probably a 9 year old kid
What an awful thing to do. This is why I will never trust one of these MvM groups, they're usually just salty about everything
This taco thing I can vaguely remember, again, I said before, has pedophilia issues and CP issues (not capture point either)
The fact I can barely remember this, and the first thing that comes to mind is “ that community has a history of pedophilia “ is bad. No one should immediately remember your community being around CP and pedos.
Hilarious. Glad I don’t ever see them or barley hear of them. Get blocked and move on, or go to servers that ban clowns like this and follow up actual, legal, law enforcement assistance when dealing with people who promote, safeguard and help LITERAL CP and Pedophilia.
God, how did we ever get to a weird taco group supporting MVM attacks and griefing and child exploitation.
@@kabooki22again, a MVM, child exploitation, TF2 steam group that goes around harassing people, throwing games and most importantly harassing and exploiting children on a game.
Taco something, all I remember of it, and all those unpleasant memories come rushing back. Jesus lol if I were them I’d disband that shitshow. If I knew where the group was or if the memebers had a group again I’d report it via steam report, disgusting people with a literal heroin like addiction to MVM and children.
Very strange stuff, the reason why I quit certain games and communities actually.
They want to be a cult leader
I imagine the reason that the reason basil thinks you would jump through all these hoops to make you look bad is because he assumes you're as insane and vengeful as he is lol
that… kinda make sense in its own messed up way.
Bro, that group he was with has some serious mental issues and child exploitation accusations, and mentally ill people tend to abuse kids anyways so there’s that.
Serious issues, serious accusations and serious proof. Taco whatever, i remember that name and group and all the memories of some weirdos exploiting kids come back.
If I were them, I’d bury this and never speak of it again and change all my usernames 😂
This is unironically one of the best drama response videos on UA-cam.
Takes accountability of your past mistakes that was brought up, gives the accuser every benefit of the doubt despite their insane claims and actually defends them in slight ways to make their character consistent for the facts to make proper sense.
It's actually impressive something like this is from MVM griefers refusing to accept they're not the main characters.
@@slvrshore5300 griefers should be made fun of lol i do not feel bad at all
@@peachykeen777well doing that will give them attention which they might want to
@@TheHumanPerson9753 it might not be productive because yeah maybe they want attention, but it's completely fair to ridicule them for it if you want
@@peachykeen777 this is also true
One thing I never understood is:
"You have low tour numbers so I'm griefing and/or kicking you"
Gee how can I get higher tour numbers if they won't let me play the damn game?
lol it's like how people can't get job experience because every entry-level job demands 50 thousand years of job experience
Facts on both yalls posts.
someone kicked me on my first tour.
because i was pyro
@@nameless...................... i never understood why people do that. Probably because nowadays mostly teenagers play. Keep trying you will eventually find players that are friendly to play with (I have annoyingly high ping & lag so I get kicked alot but when I do find a great sever with understanding players we get quite a few hours of great games)
@@ponponpatapon9670 THIS!!! THANK YOU!
I gotta admit, I admire Basil's determination. But goddamn, man, he really needs a hobby or a girlfriend or something.
he needs to live up to his name and touch grass
That's his hobby.
Needs to make his own dinner for once.
@@holl7wits more of an obsession ngl
He needs to try outdoor gardening. He would live up to his name and he'd be touching grass. Granted, it's not a great time to start (it's Christmas at the time of writing) but he can always plan ahead for the next growing season.
Basil is easy to grow and it's a great companion for tomatoes.
Three minutes into the video and already I can't believe someone could be that insane.. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this.
its pretty funny tho. i dont think weezy cares
I mean, who'd have thought? Someone who spends their full playtime on a coop game trying to make sure everyone else on their team doesn't win is also otherwise unhinged and not mentally stable?
That said it feels like Weezy had his own kind of retributional fun with this, so he's probably not letting it get to him.
im sure he doesnt mind with the money badil's making him
@@landlockedcroat1554 I think that's a bit naive.
Money is nice for security, but it doesn‘t really help with if your character is pulled into question.
We’ve seen incredibly rich people fall down the mental health spiral when they got shat on publicly in recent times.
Money can give you the resources to retreat to your bubble and not engage with the drama, but clearly that isn‘t the case here as he engages with it.
the most down to earth, reasonable TF2 player in all of the game
I legit can't tell if you are being ironic or not.
@@mercenarygundam1487 The joke is the tf2 community is so toxic and unhinged that basil is the least toxic player
is it down to earth or 6ft under the earth?
@@basic6735 So he's being Ironic then
@@mercenarygundam1487 Think so
I've quasi run into Basil a few times in the wild, but every time he always bails on the group immediately upon loading in, presumably because the team isn't entirely composed of people with 100+ tours.
And because one or more members of the team haven't read the entirety of the several hours long MVM Meta Guide
I guess you should call him "bailsil"
as a pessimist im gonna go ahead and say he didnt notice anyone in the lobby he could "justify" griefing so he left to find one where he could
^this@@acuteavocado1962 the dude probably spends hours every day just trying to find cheaters to grief. He's almost certainly very mentally ill.
I can understand griefing the cheaters, but griefing innocent players makes you as bad as the cheaters. You basically became what you sought to destroy.
As Nietzsche said, be careful staring in an abyss...
Except that even the cheating is beneficial to SOMEONE this is worse imho cuz it doesnt help anyone, its just a waste of time for everyone
Never call cheating beneficial. It's a shortened road to medicority and boredom.@@thatminer7174
Worse honestly, because the cheaters have some sort of benefit in exchange for the loss of fun. Basil is only the negatives without any positives
>what weezy did
Guys, did you know that the ship used in the movie "Titanic" isn't the real titanic? and the actors aren't even the original people who died on the ship either!! Scandalous!!!
Are you sure?
"Dear god."
_"There's more."_
9:22 Actually didn't think this was a double. I thought it was footage of him standing there typing in chat while you looked at him.
Yeah same here. I never realized that. Someone already said this but in the future Weezy should put a "recreation" tag in the corner to make it less confusing for people like us. And also make it so Basil can't say that Weezy has been using body doubles to fake accusations, because he admits to making some stuff to make it easier to read.
@@mariustan9275 yeah i agree with everything he has to say in the video but i actually do disagree with using recreated footage, unless its explicitly told to the viewer that thats what they are looking at. even if its 1-1 the exact same things basil did.
On the topic of recreated footage, I largely agree with Weezy. Plenty of documentaries recreate footage to give the audience an idea of what happened. However, the good documentaries include some sort of disclaimer that the footage is recreated so the audience is not left in the dark about what's genuine, and what's a recreation.
Weezy is right that a recreation of Basil flying around is not really material to anything, so it doesn't matter that it's recreated ... but it is inherently slightly misleading to not disclose that until called out on it.
I'm certainly not defending Basil here, his behaviour sounds absolutely insane, but it would probably be wise for Weezy to disclose what's recreated in videos going forward so the audience can better decide for themselves what to believe, without wondering what's real, and what's fake.
TL;DR, I agree with Weezy's use of reconstructed footage, but I disagree that it's wholly immaterial without a disclaimer that certain shots are reconstructed. We can't read Weezy's mind, we weren't there, we can't easily tell what's real and what's not. Thus, there's room for confusion and misinformation.
I think he should put out a little disclaimer in the future, not so much because it’s underhanded to use recreations, just that he goes after some really unhinged people who pick at any small flaw, real or not, and the disclaimer would help to defuse that argument
yeah I'm in agreement on this, a little "recreation" tag over that kind of footage would be really nice
12:48
"I barely tried to hide it."
Weezy admits he was, in fact, trying to hide that he was using reenacted footage.
I'm not siding with either of them, but Weezy was wrong for misleading his viewers. It's clear why Basil lead with that point. Even if he recreated it genuinely, the fact he tried to hide it is wrong, tantamount to lying to his audience.
@@BetterOnichThanSorry you have to remember, the "try to hide it" likely means "making it look like basil" so the youtube even makes sense lol
@@BetterOnichThanSorryYep, that's exactly my point put much more succinctly, thank you.
Weezy isn't a documentarian, he probably never studied the ethics of media, so I think we can give him a pass for the past. However, this is a a material lesson in what can happen when you don't disclose the whole truth while making a documentary, or anything documentary adjacent. A valuable lesson for everyone making media of any kind.
I hope Weezy learns from his mistakes, and improves in the future.
All i know is that the guy at 0:46 saying that PvZ, Battleblock, and Ultrakill are goated is the only correct person here.
Yes
Pvz is goated
@@MJC-yo5kjPvZ is a good shooter game and tower defense
As a relatively new mvm player, all these people have proven is that the only thing more toxic than high tours is Chernobyl in 1986.
And you come to that conclusion based on less than 10 high tours sum? We are doomed.
and even THATS debatable.
I’ve had a personal experience with uhh… bill murray? Idk the most toxic guy(formerly…maybe) in mvm. He’s just as toxic as you think. I WAS PLAYING PYRO TOO! so yeah, they are what they seem and they don’t really like people unless they do certain things.
Good news though! I have met a very nice and helpful high tour. His name was IF, I think.
@@imjustapotatoleavemealonegood job proving his point lol.
the entire situation just feels like some expert lawyer who has all the evidence in the world to prove that some angry child did something wrong but the child just stands outside of the court screaming that he did nothing wrong and occasionally walks in the court and ignores the lawyer just to go back to screaming
a gen alpha child
@@jimbocraggins basil being a 5 year old is crazy
Idk dude this is basically just weezy sending fans after someone he acknowledges as deeply mentally ill. It’s more like if a lawyer tried to organize an angry mob against said child
@@RedshirtAfficionado every time I think I’ve heard the dumbest TF2 take, I find a dumber one.
@@RedshirtAfficionadoCounterargument: Banana hat schizo is cooler than griefer schizo
(Griefers kill mvm)
Griefers: "Who killed mvm?"
It was me!
Yes,i did it like this
@@VERGIL...-
*Sniper dies*
*all others in shock*
@@loyalimperialthat’s a joke lads!
@GlitchyHypnoFlower72 Everyone laughs
@@colingaul9579 It was yo- blurb
Him / Griefers \
Ok, but the "all of my chat logs are public" move is as authentic as you need to be. I respect that
@@anorouch Hi basil
@@anorouchomg basil hiii!!!
@@KJSBM jfc. What a bunch of toxic shitters. I'm not basil. I haven't played mvm in five years bc of shits like him, and you.
@@anorouch lol
Lmao even
@vittripps oh oh I get it now, I thought op was talking to/about basil. Not Weezer. My mistake.
But still, screw mvm and you shitters that ruin it.
never been so hyped to watch an exhaustively comprehensive documentary about some insular microdrama within a subcommunity of a moribund video game
bonus points on that comment for teaching me like two new words lol ("insular" and "moribund" if you wanted to know)
You just could not describe it better 👍
I was in the game with basil and schwabbel, me and lalo09 were just playing and watched this go down. This is crazy
Yea lmao ngl thanks weezy we did end up finish the rounds and getting carried
Bros getting front sits
Can we give basil the jester of hypocrisy in MvM? He claims to stop pizzabot yet causes the same if not more trouble the moment his ego gets slightly offended.
Claims to stop griefing cheaters yet griefs servers and whines on social media every other hour
i remember when i saw Basil with my own eyes in a mann up game. we were waiting for somebody else to join as we had 5/6 people. as i stared at the server list, i saw a person with 1000 tours join. i felt like i had known who he is, but i never could put a finger on actually WHERE i heard him from. thankfully, we were all pretty low tours so he left a couple seconds later. it wasnt till we started the match i said to myself "holy fuck, that was the pyro guy"
Just unreal how people can be this neurotic. It's a *freaking game* .
I wonder what these people would be like in real life. I'd seriously like to meet them... see if they're just screwed up online, or if it's a through-and-through thing.
Edit: Posted this while still watching the video. Your final statement had me rolling: "Now go get therapy, this shit isn't normal." Germany has social healthcare. Maybe he can get in to see a descendant of Freud for free?
Bro is about to hit jail if he keeps it up lol if he’s in the US, it won’t be good, if he’s in Germany, he may get the help he needs. Nonetheless, a child exploitation group named taco something is there and he’s a member of it 🤣 bro, the moment I found some groups of mine had people like that in it I reported it and dropped out ASAP.
Assholes, abusers and shitheads are everywhere. It’s one thing accidentally being associated and doing the right thing,
Then there’s basil, who actively participated and participates in child exploitation and harassment.
Wild.
@WeezyTF2 10:55 you can probably avoid this issue by recording demos with p-rec. Install it, type prec_mode_3 into console, and every game you play will be recorded to be played back using TF2's demo system. Extremely useful as shadowplay automatically saves the time and date of each saved clip, and demos are named based on the time they started as well. Saves text chat, voice chat, everything.
Very useful
What about disc space issues?
what's so intriguing is how this guy dedicates to do this. He literally has no following whatsoever and yet he is hellbent on protecting his "image"
yeah it's bizarre
He's been on this crusade long before he's been discovered like this. No man can possibly understand his motivation.
I have a suspicion basil doesn't have much going on in his life, nobody older than 6 should have enough free time to do this shit everyday. What a fucking loser
weed pyro irl
I'm really grateful for these videos, because usually they pop up into my feed when I'm having second thoughts about life, questions, or think I'm a loser. And these videos help remind me that I do indeed have my life together and I'm not, in fact, a total loser like these two.
Goddamn, I thought the worse part of MvM I’d encounter was being told to put a shotgun in my mouth for playing pyro.
Update Released:
-The Bomb Carrier is now immune to airblast.
That wouldn't be so bad, but a blanket fix towards the knockback resistance robots are suppose to have will be better.
And temporary soft-bans...
alternatively - robots have extreme knockback resistance to being pushed forwards, and can only be effectively pushed to the sides and backwards
@@krsvi713 That can be a solution, but you can still to negatively impact the game, and otherwise grief it. Perhaps it will only make it harder, yet it can be done. They're a motivated bunch.
All they just need to do is even bother to fix the sole problem of knockback resistance broken. So much so, they've acknowledge the problem in the past post Jungle-Inferno. It's just that the TF-Team is slow to do stuff & check for other areas of abusive behaviors.
Being able to remove them, and have them stay out? Priceless fix that's needed the most.
But then it makes the point of airblast useless... It would not make sense to do it
@@Ultra289I'd rather take this fix than giving them any way of screwing the game
As I had said it before, airblast is the worst thing to ever exist in MvM exclusively.
It's crazy to me that there's more toxicity in a PvE side mode than there is in the main PvP modes in TF2.
"mf named after a herb" is crazy bro 😭😭😭
this man(basil) is an insult to basil
@@danaa-fr. He needs to do anything else with his life. Maybe pick up a hobby? Photography sounds good.
@@theelusivepootisberd7471 yea, that seems nice, and maybe he might take on gardening, i mean what can go wrong there?
not even 3 minutes in and i can say basil is literally the embodiment of "whats blud yapping about?"
Basil took, "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain." To a whole new level.
If you want to be a vigilante, you usually want to make yourself look good in everyone’s eyes
Or just become apart of the civilian side, and be a force to do something
personally, the concept of vigilantism intrigues me. in this instance, the video could be a case study on the dark side of vigilantism, when they believe themselves completely in the right and become no better than the criminals they hunt. more fuel for my research, i suppose
@@Underworlder5 Vigilantism is from the belief that the Authority isn't doing anything or enough to deal with certain issues. Very easy to see why people support, if not, glorify such actions against targets that socially people wouldn't like. Obviously, TF2 has a cheating problem because Valve isn't interested to tackle the issue in significant capacities anymore. At the same time, Mann-up is a Pay-to-Enter experience, and very well they can be aware of it all; although they are also benefiting from cheaters buying tickets to consume them.
This is actually seen with those predator catcher videos on UA-cam, and extreme wacky conspiracy theories that fuel these beliefs where society isn't, "Doing enough," to punish accused/convicted persons. Rightfully so we don't like the ones who prey, yet most of those groups would love nothing more than to deliver street justice, and captivate an audience for it.
In this case, the Authority, Valve, refuses to do anything about rampant cheating. Then so, the solution becomes self-appointed, "MVM Community," members to griefing cheaters.
You can just avoid a lot of the 'impersonation' lashing-out by just putting a "re-enactment footage" watermark on it
Was thinking the same. "Dramatization" or something.
@@theflyingcatzthen he’ll say you faked it anyways and lied about it lol mentally ill people tf2 sub game mode exploiting children. What did you expect? Logic?
The guy and group who griefed also exploited children. What do we expect from someone so unstable?
Regarding the body doubles, you could have at least stamped "DRAMATIC REENACTMENT" somewhere blatantly on screen. That would've been nice.
For the claim that Basil harrasses low tours, ive been in servers with me and friends (all under 20 tours) while he has 200+, and he immediately leaves. We've never been griefed by him, but its happed two or three times on 2 Cities specificly in which he joins, sees low tours, and leaves. It seems like a similar situation tho.
Basil's done. He's been seasoned, saute'd, and served to perfection.
And I ate him up in like, 3~ish minutes.
Rustic, yeah? Beautiful, yeah?
@@theonlybilge Tasted more like Chernobyl.
Basil is like that one bus driver that will hold the bus up for everyone if even one person doesn't pay the fare upon boarding.
Thats literally your job as a bus driver, though? You can get fired for not doing that.
Basil has now officially wilted. He forgot to have the proper amount of sunlight.
I played a full map on 2 Cities once with Basil and he played normally. I'm pretty sure he remembered his meds that day.
Basil really wasn't the same anymore after he helped Sunny solve his little family problem
lmfao
lmaoooooo
How does Weezy turn video game drama into a Death Note episode
Because he can
Money
@@slvrshore5300 Woah woah woah! There buddy thats way to sudden jeez
@@iseegreen5297 What did he say? He deleted his comment.
@@kempolar9768 bro called him a fascist for criticizing basil 😭😭😭
What the… I just finished watching the two cheaters in mvm videos and found the sections talking about the schizophrenic behavior of various mvm players both interesting and informative. I thought to myself, “ I wonder if weezy has anymore videos covering this?” Wake up and this is the first thing I see. Thank you weezy and please get out of my walls.
If it means we get more videos like this i advocate for him staying in your walls
hey weezy, near the bottom of advanced settings. you can turn on demo recordings for ALL your games, meaning you can just use a demo file and record different points of view and footage and stuff and just aim the camera after the fact.
It's funny, cuz I randomly met him when playing on Pineapple MvM event. Glad it was a moment when he didn't do any weird stuff but it sure is good to know what sort of players participate in these events.
not all mvm players are like basil lad
Do people season pineapple with basil?
@@FNicky91 I'm not saying all MvM players are toxic, just kinda sucks you run into such guys even outside official MvM
@@davidhong1934pinapple does not deserve that.
What? Basil on pineapple tf?
Which event? The last one?
I was one of the people Basil responded to on Twitter, and literally the first thought I had was, “Okay? Who cares?” Compared to so many other content creators on this cesspool of a sight, getting relevant background footage and exposing a goober for who they are isn’t damning. It’s both understandable, and hilarious.
The way Basel is handling this is... Odd to say the least. Why you would act like that when faced with the perception that you suck-basically proving it right- is beyond me.
I myself don’t like cheaters, but, oh man those tacobots and any other toxic MVM groups like them look like Cheatphobia or CheatSupportphobia are actual real things LOL.
Seriously, a psychology would have a field day to study the effects of gamvling
At the very least pizzabot members at least tend to be polite.
i got kicked by some of either tacobot or pizzabot members while in a lobby with a guy named lollichop enjoyer and gentleman. its kinda bullshit that happens.
I (think) I know why these anti-cheating groups really hate cheating THAT MUCH.
It’s not strange that most TF2 community focus and plays more in the PvP “Standard” gamemode (AKA casual), and the PvE community (AKA MVM) is pretty much smaller than them because the game was born in the PvP playstyle and they released Mann Vs. Machine some years later.
So, as part of the playerbase who likes MVM more than Casual, we just accept the fact that most people in TF2 don’t even mind or care about MvM the same level as Casual, and probably even Tacobots or any group dedicated in MvM are fine with this. HOWEVER, when people do these cheats, those anti-cheating people think that they are telling them: “MVM is boring, i just came for the loot.” Straight to their faces. And problem is, they apply that logic to every cheater supporter as well, because they accept cheating in order to get loot faster.
Tacobots and any other MVM groups like them represent the people of the community who enjoy playing MVM instead of getting loot, which is funny and kinda ironic, since it’s VERY rare to see them in custom MVM missions (like potato.tf missions), in which even the smaller community around custom MVM are the actual ones to play it for fun more than loot (I guess) and you have the advantage of not finding hackers in bootcamp and custom MVM, because, why would they cheat if they can’t get loot other than experience in which they don’t care?
@AzFresh3 with all due respect, I cannot read all that.
I had my first encounter with a griefer in mvm recently. All of us were low tours except him, but we stuck it out and by god we kicked him at just the right time for a random other player to join. I will never forget the resolve this lobby full of low tours expressed.
21:45 Something else that should've been noted:
If cheater supporters are just as bad as cheaters, then griefer supporters are just as bad as griefers.
The thing about body doubles, I agree it is necessary and even beneficial to use them, however it does feel somewhat underhanded when you reveal that purportedly “real” clips are re-enactments.
I think it would benefit you to make some sort of disclaimer on re-enacted clips, like they do in TV, nothing major, more just a textbox in a corner saying “re-enactment”. At the very least, this would give you a much stronger defence that “yeah I did it without really bringing it up but that’s just cinema”, especially because documentaries state when their footage is original or contemporary.
THIS!
We need this comment to be seen by Weezy
@@spartanwar1185 If you look through the comments that Weezy has responded to, he has seen comments like these and has replied to them.
Quoting Weezy:
"Will very likely be doing this going forward.
Originally, I actually had a whole segment in this video dedicated to that argument in particular as it's one I've grappled with several times myself. Having disclaimers was actually my original intention when conceptualizing the footage, but when I started adding them onto the timeline, I realized it was both extremely ugly and immersion-breaking. I tried to turn down the opacity to make it less apparent, but it's less so a visual gripe and more-so a psychological one.
The best comparison I can give to illustrate this would be any "actors, not real people" text below your average TV ad. I can't speak for everyone, but at least for me, whenever I end up reading that line, my brain starts moving towards judging the acting chops of the people involved and less-so on the product itself. I realized that me doing this would move focus away from the story I'm trying to tell and instead towards the creation process behind it, and that's why I've ultimately decided against it for the longest time.
However, as of this video, everyone now knows how the sausage is made, if I don't point it out myself, y'all will start searching lol. Unless there's an adequate reason to retain the old method, this will probably be the new road I'll be taking."
@@Spiritchuckpvpto many words
@@TheHumanPerson9753 Average MVM player:
@@Spiritchuckpvp my feelers, they are hurt
As a pyro main, with only 190 hours on the class, i apologize for this man’s subhuman behavior.
np bro, every class has their own monkeys. the pyros just cry the loudest.
Seriously this makes accidents airblasting the robot toward your teams mate (because you are panicking or trying to cheese it) look nice
For every toxic Pyro main, there is a friendly Pybro.
Looking at the comments below, wow you guys sure like to group in every main of a class like they behave the same.
Man(child)
@damsen978 sadly, the Heavy mains has been driven to near-extinction by sheer boredom, and the abundance of snipers and spies.
Played a handful of rounds. Ran a couple through during infinite money, don't feel bad. Had NO idea the MvM community was this dramatic, toxic, and salty. Holy hell am I going to do a bit of trolling between now and new year. Thanks for the videos mate.
Oh goodie, another video about mvm toxicity.
It's a never ending source of content
What else is new?
Video candy!
Avarege friday
@@Samiska19 wow I genuinely forgot it was Friday.
“TF2 has the most accepting and welcoming community!”
“The MvM community however…”
Yes it does, but MVM…….it scares me.
shit like this is why I'll probably sit on my one and only ToD Ticket with zero tours forever
I have literally done one mvm mission and I am so confused but the dedication that weezy has to showing he’s a good person is all I need to know.
Mvm players in tf2 have always seemed like a strange case to me
Guys, his claim on using recreated footage is actually good, I was in one of the greif lobbys and this is still accurate
Ok so just to add onto the fact that Basil doesn't just grief cheats, the second ever game of MvM i played was tormented by him because
1. I was new
2. A high tour was given me advice to help me get better
Thats it thats all it was
its unbelievably hilarious to me how much basil cares about this, he really cannot let anything go
A quote I heard recently, slightly paraphrased: "I always assume I'm a bastard, because if I always assume I'm a good person I can come up with any sociopathic rational to justify my bad behavior."
This is why people hate MvM players. Too many psychos in a gamemode where the player count is fairly low, so you'll run into them repeatedly.
I barely have since 2021...
cant spell Weezy without the W
keep it up
and cant spell basil without the L
@@organicleafoof
My favorite part about this is that if basil just didn't bring it up constantly no one would care he trolls games. Him trying to prove himself innocent has brought the strysan effect in full force and now everyone knows he's a troll.
I love these videos. They showcase how unhinged some people get.
I always find unbelievable the ammount of insanity that just one mode can provide!
i've never played MvM, i'm just here for the banana man's voice talking about his hobbies
but i'm glad that this kind of strange people fuel your channel's revenue, keep going Weezy!
Basil seems genuinely mentally ill, his internet access needs to be metered
How are the mvm “people” still unreasonably mad at this guy
They're genuinely so egotistical that they can't admit that getting so tilted and petty over a guy calling them out for being so petty and tilted over a side-mode on a nearly two decade game is kinda silly.
Because he encourages them by constantly talking about them making videos about them
@@PastaCool
Pretty sure three videos specifically referring to particular individuals interspersed over months isn’t constant, bub.
@@justafan9399 ok chud
@@justafan9399...why did an image of toad pop up in my head as soon as you said bub
High Tour Autists making their own worst enemies is something of a running trend, from Tacobot, to MARI to Basil himself. Every single one of these groups or individuals made their enemies through their own behaviour in-game, and hilariously, all their "worst enemies" did to earn their ire was record and reveal exactly what they were doing to the public.
Why would valve do anything lmao. Less mann up mains less money
Also nice drama almost cried
Also, don't call them autists, actual autistic people would be too overstimulated to do anything like this
Hey that's great.
In the future, to avoid this type of controversy happening again, it's probably a good idea to put a little "recreated footage" in one of the corners to clear up any ambiguity.
I understand it slightly reduces the quality of the video, but the fact you had to hide it makes you seem suspicious.
I remember opening the Basil document , skimming through it, and it was just the most "who the fuck cares" thing i've ever read. Its very funny to see them post it under EVERY SINGLE TWEET YOU MAKE
MVM is like the containment board of TF2, let's hope for the sake of all us regular players that it never get's shut down so that the MVM users don't spill out.
Mvm will never get shut down. If mann up does - nobody cares, it won't because money though
I find it funny since I’ve never ran into griefers or cheaters in MVM, or indeed anyone weird on TF2. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or Asian servers are just more normal lmao
@@gentleseal1778 its either they’re genuinely nice (which i doubt, asians are toxic as shit especially seas like me) or they just never talk
I still see him regularly playing mvm to this day. Kinda wild, I never knew about this lore.
I hope he gets the help he clearly needs
Someone really needs to tell basil that everything is going to be ok and that there are more important things in life to get worked up over.
or put him with a physician
Only Weezy can make a goofy game drama into a serious court case.