WHY would you BUY THIS? Ibanez RG9PB Review
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- Lower doesn't mean heavier, it just means fartier... so now we have 9 string metal axes... fine.. let's check it out!
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4:15 Introduction
6:13 Specs
17:02 Clean Sounds
12:21 Low Interval Limits
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I used to think the fanned fret stuff looked weird, but on this 9 string guitar it looks weird to not have them fanned.
Right? I recently got my first 7 string and was looking for something multiscale. I think my search recalibrated my perception because my brain rejects straight frets now with more than 6 strings.
useless you got a evertune, always felt mutli-scale (fanned frets) should be considered when you go above 7 . It just seems practical as it helps compensate for tensions and intonation balance @@samtoshner8002
$1000+ guitars without locking tuners make me crazy. Especially in this scenario, as after-market locking tuners are not often sold in sets of 9.
That’s pretty standard these days, sadly.
*Joshua Travis walks in room with a 9 string and 29 inch scale length tuned to A0 with his top string as an 88 gauge and an audible tone that hits like a SHOTGUN blast*
*in my opinion* ibanez is doing interesting and unique things at relatively inoffensive price points. so many guitar companies stick to the tried and true shapes and configurations and it’s tiresome. i’m happy to see ibanez branching out into experimental territory. it doesn’t matter how ‘usable’ it is in a traditional sense. what matters is that it inspires someone and i imagine there are people that are going to create some interesting things with this. the fact that this exists for those that want it is incredible, especially since it’s no longer an obscure and expensive custom-only configuration.
We from southern Germany and Austria know this instrument already. Centuries ago when you went to Vienna to celebrate the “Heurigen” they had cithers and lutes with “contra” strings. Those were the days when a guy named Hans Moser intonated a song like “Let’s drink another glass of wine 🍷…” wonderful! For all people older than 100 it’s the perfect instrument to intonate the traditional songs of 1900. So come on. Just let the low strings ring and rumble and give us an old “Heurigen” hit. This guitar is perfect for this. Especially with a glass of wine😂
From a woodworking perspective, the glue is actually stronger than the wood once it’s bound. Using glue is a better binding than using fasteners which is why guitar bodies are glued together. Almost nobody makes one-piece bodies(unless you’re Heritage guitars, where all bodies and necks are one-piece.)
Sorry Henning, the glue that is used in guitars and construction is much harder than the wood itself. I used to be a "Holztechniker" and we tested glued joints and stuff, the break never appeared at the glue joint, always in the wood next to it. Just nitpicking here, I cannot say anything about the acoustic properties of the glue joints, not my field of work. Anyway nice review!
This is also part of why multi piece necks are stronger than one piece, right?
"Resonance gets eaten up"
WTF?
@@anthonychin8610 Yes, as far as I understand the matter. I am not a physics doctor or something but it seems logical to me. Also, a one piece neck has to be a really nicely grown and worked piece of wood. It is easier to get a stiff and durable neck out of several pieces glued together for the factories
@@martine.210 Not sure, maybe. It has to make a difference physically but can we hear it? Dont know, but I doubt it. The main matter for me is that it looks like crap XD
@@anthonychin8610 Yes. Inherently so.
most people with 9 strings don't try to play nice sounding chords using the 9th string because of these issues, though that's not always the case as it can actually add to some heavy genre's where a nasty atonal sound is desired for some sections. the lowest strings and tunings below E are more for a tone and specific sound rather than the actual note itsself, 9 strings are never supposed to replace a bass... again it's for the tone and sound people are after. A band that I can use as a great example is Humanity's Last Breath, now... they use a baritone 6 string instead of a 9 string but they go to tunings like Drop E down to Double drop A. give their new song Labyrinthian a listen, I believe it's in Double A#. so 7 notes lower than Drop E and you'll see just how good ridiculously low tunings can actually sound if you know how to do it right. their mixes are absolutely crushing...
Honestly when I see these 9 string guitars I wanna see how metal bands would use them to do interludes, very melodic passages or even severely atonal sections but much more in a Gorguts vein than in a metalcore vein if that makes sense.
I want to point out that the wood glue is actually STRONGER that the wood itself. It's much more probably that a guitar will split on the wood and not on the glue joint.
The lower range gives limitations, but it doesn't mean you don't have anything to play. I think you are missing the point.
Tossin might not know about the "Low interval limits", which doesn't mean he's deaf, he clearly made good use of those limits.
Yeah. Seems like homeboy is hung up on low interval limits, but it’s a real non-issue. Points missed for sure. This review comes off a little old man yelling at cloud-ish.
@@thrawn2k5 pretty much that. Nobody is playing chords on the low strings, it's all single notes. Moral of the story is: Don't give something to review to someone who has no idea how to use it.
I LOVE my Schecter 9-string but it does have a 30 inch scale which is way better imho!
I love that this guitar exists. Sure it's not for everyone, especially this dude it seems. But it's hilarious and I appreciate that.
Pay attention to the flaws that he points out.
One thing is 9 strings, another is poor execution.
There are surely better 9 strings than this pos.
That guitar is hideous.
@@TheBbtlegit Speak for yourself.
@@NeZversSounds Only people like you like playing a skateboard.
the problem i have with it is the tension of the lower strings. i don't mind 9 strings but it should be multi scale
"It's not about money...it’s about sending a message. Everything burns!" 🍻🤘
I’m learning the 9 string Ibanez guitar and I asked my dad if he had any song requests. He replied, “Can you play far far away?”
He clearly hates this guitar with all his heart. Meaning Ibanez believes in their products. I'll take ten!
HP, don't get stressed. More is better, always. That is why you have a million amps and guitars.
I’m looking forward to two of those on the same stage , if they are both good , going to be some very new stuff created
I have custom sg 9 string .. have massive neck dive problem .. anyone have this issue on every extended guitar ?
If string gauge, scale length and pickups weren't a problem, I think this would be great. I think extended range instruments bring a new realm of creativity when used in all genres and compliment more instruments well with the ability to play wherever anyone else in the groups is or really isn't playing. I love using my 8 string for jazzy stuff, using low and "normal" chord voicings and holding down the rhythm section as a bass, with the possibility of higher guitar range for some solo stuff. Even in any conventional setting where I play a 4 string bass part I like to use my 8 string more than any "real" 4 string bass because it is more comfortable to me and has the same low range, and with the right EQ and preamp it sounds like a bass--especially coil split. In addition to all of that, I vastly prefer 5 strings, so I thought I'd dig this, but the scale on a 9 string should be much longer IMO. I mean, it's the same as a lot of Schecter 8s, I doubt it feels okay to play that lowest string. It's probably a nightmare to find the right string for that 9th and I doubt the pickups are any good for that use either. I'd totally still use it for some tech/slam death parts if I got it, but I don't believe that it'd sound decent in a mix put through a guitar amp, especially without thicker strings or a longer scale. I doubt I'd ever make that purchase lol.
Excelente guitarra, ejecución y composición.
One way to deal with “floppiness” for the lower strings is to use a heavier strings for the low C#, low F#, and potentially the low B (for continued tuning in fourths. This said, there may be problems with the ball ends or the string itself fitting through the tuning machine and may necessitate drilling out the hole a little bit, too. I know a few folks in the jazz community who will add intervals between standard tuning of E, A, D, G, B, and E (low to high) or will tune down to D, with an added interval of the G below the A, and C below the D (typically the 4th string) on the guitar. Another thing, I’ve found is that I had to change the amp settings a bit more from what is typical for the application (what sounds and type of music is being played. If it is more jazz oriented and the amp is set to bass at 9 o’clock, middle at 6 o’clock and treble at 9 o’clock as the basis of comparison, then dropping the bass and middle down and increasing the treble a little depending upon the amp and instrument. This gave me a bit more clarity as was dropping the gain for the channel being used. I have to agree when getting into a 10-string guitar that tuning to a low G# is just a lost cause for me, personally. I can’t really hear the difference until I get to a full step above that contra G#. This said, moving away from a single scale instrument to a multiscale instrument fits my application much more and I can see what I am doing far easier than working with mixed intervals instrument like a Chapman Stick or Warr Guitar.
I bought a $3.2k Taylor 324ce Builders Edition. The back has a bookmatched inner and bookmatched outer... is that considered 4 piece? In any case I thought that was a bit weird but then I saw some crazy $7k Taylor and it had the same thing on the back.
I assume it resonates well 😄
@@martine.210 I've heard that glue is stronger than wood. One could argue that it resonates better the more pieces there are. It's been said of headstocks that are glued on that it's stronger than a single piece neck+headstock.
The best reason for watching this was the kitty at the end. Loved those orange eyes.
I did try to play a 9,string before, the lowest string really didn't sound like anything being that low but too short to have the resonance a bass would have, I think for metal players it's just a kind of flex 💪, I think jazz players or fingerstyle players could actually use it, maybe with the multi scale neck to tighten up the lows
Henning is clued in that this should have obviously be a 10 string.
I will say. I am 100% onboard that this is stupid, but the disdain was just too funny to not watch.
What is that song at the end?
I liked it a lot.
Generally if you do a proper glue joint with the proper glue, it will be stronger than the actual wood. This has been tested many times with destructive testing and the wood will break before the glue joint. So no, the glue is not "softer" has you mentioned.
As a 7-stringer never understood 9 strings, but HEY! To each their own, this vid had me rolling 🤣
I'd Like to know the thoughts of Mr Henning on the now outta production Ibanez 30 frets.
Coming
that's an amazing guitar!!
In my best, non-mocking Henning voice: “PB stands for Put it fucking Back.”
Not including locking tuners makes sense, IMO, because this won't stay in tune for long regardless ;) (IMO).
So you have an upright piano that hasn’t been tuned in 40 yrs , but it’s portable
Henning: You have issues…
Me: Yes Sir!!
I mean if it makes sounds and is fun to play that's all that matters when it comes to instruments. From 5 strings to 10 if you enjoy playing it then play it! :)
When will we see 10 strings? Just sounds like mud imo, even with amazing pickups and amp.
Whats the point of 9 strings when u can play this with 6 no problem . I guess less lateral movement is one plus of it. Anyway I guess I should have shut it off like you said
H, I do NOT want to buy an 9 string guitar. But I definitely like to see you try to play it!
Hey Henning, I have a 2017 RG9 and I have Amplitube on the iPad as one of my live rigs. 9 string doesn't sound good on my current iPad. Have you tried the Tone x with the 9 string through an iPad or any other amps or plug ins you can share that sounded good? Some just can't handle the low string.
No, I haven't tried the 9string with the software, but the ToneX pedal handled it fine
@@EytschPi42 ok thank you for the info.
I can’t help myself, but when I see these 7-8-9 string guitars, it always reminds me of the baroque lutes with a lot of strings…😂
Absolutely. I'm teaching myself some Bach on a HB 8-string. Works.
Gear beside, the song is beautiful is this original ?
Yes it is
I was about to buy this guitar; the design is good, and I wanted to do something extreme with those 9 strings. But when I saw that it didn't have locking tuners, I completely backed off. I mean, can you imagine 9 strings without tuning stability? It's shooting oneself in the foot. Such a poor oversight for a guitar of that caliber.
bçBy the way, I bought my FGN jil 664 after seeing the review you did. Beautiful guitar. Thanks for your content.
So I saw nobody explains why these guitars exists as a production model so here we go. Josh Travis from Emmure, Josh Miller aka "Baby J" from Darko US and Jose Macario (solo mexican artist)
I love it when he speaks metal guitar sounds. time stamp 9:44.
i just don't get the scale length ... i mean ibanez already has a m80m with 30" that is difficult to play but just the right thing ... meeeeeh
While I suppose one might argue that glue joints affect how a structure vibrates, it would be difficult to find evidence that they hinder resonance. Perhaps they increase the resonances at certain frequencies but I don't see how they could absorb them. Any woodworker, and any guitar builder should know that when one tries to break a correctly glued piece of wood, the wood will NOT break at the glue joint. If a glued-up piece of wood breaks, it is the wood that breaks, not the glue. This suggests that the attachment at the joint is stronger than the wood itself. I am honestly unsure as to how one could prove the assertion that glue joints limit the vibration of a top.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
crazy how they can bring this out after the Ibanez RGDMS8-CSM with fanfret, locking tuners
Have you ever tried a Chapman stick? A totally different beast to learn and play, but for me more interesting.
I was wondering if there are special instructions for adjusting the two truss rods on this Ibanez.
Yeah, I was just wondering if the truss rods have to be turned simultaneously... if not, the neck would surely split, right?
he actually has videos about them on the channel
If the glue in the body is an issue - which I don’t think it is other than cosmetic - wouldn’t the same logic (glue = softer than the wood) be an even bigger issue on the five piece neck? As far as I know a proper glue joint is as strong (even stranger) than the actually wood) so I kind of feel that part of the review kind of strange IMHO.
Exactly as it doesnt replace the bass that guitars can be tuned to F# or lower and sound good. you just need a good tone and a good bass tone. Nowadays it is still possible to tune a bass an octave lower, with huge strings of course.
For example Loathe has some songs that they tune to that low C# and sounds awesome, in a dirty metal way kkkkkkkkk
Henning, I LOVE this review. Missing locking tuners? Jeebus!
Low Interval Limits? I will research this! (50 years of guitar playing and still learning.)
at least the cat brought it to a peaceful, cute, cosy end.
Oh, and that thing that was called a guitar. It has it's own very special kind of interesting.
Maybe next time try to give it a little bit of love. It's not it's fault ibanez created it this way.
What what would recommend a src6 or rg9pb. Make a shootout video ;-) Let's call it Frankenstein's Monster vs Godzilla.
And you definitly have to do new video as soon as the fanned threat model are out with 9, 12, 13,7 and 37 Strings.
very entertaining video!
Actually wood glue is harder than wood.
Yep. Henning just assumes he's correct about everything, whether he has an actual clue or not.
@@bingobango4840 I mean, other than this its a great video, he knows his stuff haha
@@pablorar Not woodworking or luthier work, obviously.
He has no fucking glue 😄
Joking. I love the dude.
@@martine.210 lol
Totally agree. Stupid idea. They were so excited that they could, they didn’t consider whether they should
Just a small correction about a thing you said. The glue used nowadays for connecting pieces of wood together is actually stronger than the wood. t would actually mean that the resonance would be i guess a bit better(even though it does seem kinda dumb to just say, when there's a totally different effect when it comes to glue and wood). I'd say that that one thing is incorrect and a bit taken out of the past. The materials have changed a lot throughout the years. Other than that, great video. One more thing is that it isn't nescesarly meant as a combination of a bass and a guitar. It's just an enhancement. I guess it's just my opinion though.
Some nut will buy it. I just dont get it. Thats for keeping it real Henning.
As an 8-string player this is lame. One string too many. 😄
Well, I would use it with a clean sound for classical/renaissance music. Things you would play on a lute...and I prefer the real thing.
These things desperately need a longer scale length, preferably multi-scale. I had one of the older models with the EMGs and trying to get the low string to stay in tune and intonated on each fret was impossible. Not having locking tuners also wasn't helpful. I was really hoping Ibanez would go back tot he drawing board on these but instead they just released the same model just with a different top and Fishmans. Lazy.
This video should have had three like buttons. One for the review and two for the cat! ;)
I agree. Just get a bass VI, and a lead guitarist on a regular guitar.
I want to see someone bar chord all 9
If anything we got to hear that amazing tune at the beginning!!! So good! That's gonna be in my head now for a week!🤣
Henning wanted 9 string, sooo they made 9 string... : ).
as an extended range player, I watched this out of spite, and got quite a laugh!!! cheers!!
That was the idea!
he had some solid points tho, I dont tune below F# and im careful what intervals I use, I also have a multiscale guitar, and hi pass low notes/ put bass behind them@@EytschPi42
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My only real interest in a guitar such as this is to have the full range of a piano, without having to learn piano. I know that if you tune this guitar to a C standard, that will get you to the lowest note on a piano, but that still leaves you more than an octave below the highest note. I guess I will have to get one and play around with the tuning intervals & string gauges to get all 88 notes.
“It doesn’t sound good”
>isn’t voicing a consonant chord or using the chord in any intended functional context.
“Low interval limit”
>idk never seemed to effect tosin or Charlie hunter .
Man stick to what you know
At least you exhibited the cleans again with no effects aside from reverb.
„At least“???
Let's be honest, only a tapping god could use this instrument correctly.
I don´t need a 9 string guitar, I struggle enough with 6 strings thanks... However, I am going to watch the video because I love the way you review in an hoest way! 🙂
Opening song reminds me of the 'I'll make a man out of you' song in Mulan. Which I like
Great song
9 strings arent just for lower tuning its for tonal range. just because you cant comprehend it doesnt mean its stupid or doesnt have a purpose.
now in regards to this specific guitar i think its absolutely over priced for the quality and amenities its has; possibly the fluences are most of the price tag.
Also its not that hard to get clear tone on a nine string. at the least its not impossible.
Why?
Its not for bluesy licks players
I've had the older model for years I still haven't gotten used to it, it's a very weird ''guitar'' 9 is way too much!! the max I can do is 7 !
It is clearly a Michael Bolt-On!😂
4:44 YES.
This video was delightful 🤣👍
I have feeling this vid. is epic hahahaha, I'll be watching this tomorrow : D.
Weird that they are making three piece bodies for the 2023 lineup, you already showed that with the SRC6MS which by website photos should be only two pieces of wood for the body.
I would most probably avoid 2 pieces if the assembly is center body.
Then rather 3 with a center piece for bridge and neck for stability.
If 2 pieces one of them should only be the wing, but honestly, it shouldn’t really matter if it’s 1 or multiple pieces with good assembly and good glue.
Check some of the guitars Texas Toast Guitars build out of scrapwood.
I think the big miss is multiscale and the lack of locking tuners.
Might even want an Evertune bridge to make life easier.
@@JoeBaermann Just from an aesthetics standpoint, 3 pieces that aren't evenly sized look pretty bad with a transparent finish, which was even worse with the SRC6MS that didn't have a top so it was visible at the front as well. Neck-through body guitars are 3+ pieces and that actually looks nice with transparent finish because they have the center block of 1/3/5/7/etc pieces and the wings. But yeah, the major blunder with that guitar was not having locking tuners, although considering that the neck is 28" and massive, adding more weight to it would have worsened the neck dive.
@@D14V0R05 I agree with that the pieces have to match with a transparent finish when there isn’t a top to hide them.
Just reminds me about the 4 Epiphones with the artwork on the backside….
@@JoeBaermann The Adam Jones collection isn't it? Doesn't make a lot of sense to have the drawings on the back of the guitar where people cannot see them when playing, unless those are just meant to hang on a wall...
@@D14V0R05 Yup, but even hanging on the wall it doesn’t make sense, unless it is a transparent wall. 🤣
Useful information about lower interval limits, but a tad ironic that he shows a picture of Adam Neely’s much more succinct and measured explanation of this which is very much worth checking out: ua-cam.com/video/iW6YeDJklhQ/v-deo.html
HP’s take on this is histrionic and dogmatic, Neely’s is not. Tosin Abasi doesn’t care about this in certain contexts because he’s an artist and is very much producing the timbres he intends and desires - and it turns out, so does his audience. It’s not wrong, just a more inharmonic and percussive result.
“Djentelman” is funny tho…
Why not just go 47 strings and call it a harp?
A great guitar for lead Bass XD
Henning _'EytschPi42 as leaders'_ Abasi
GLUE is not softer than wood mate. If you are using titebond as most of brands that joint is actually stronger than wood itself. So there shoudnt be any resonance loss (another marketing bs, especially on body). Just try to scrape a piece of dried titebond and you will see it acts more like glass when its breaking. Wood is definitely softer... And i bet there are more expensive 3 piece body guitars out there.
For the guitar player that would like to play a base but to cheap to buy one
What is a base? If you mean bass, no, a bass still sounds very different
It would be hell of a lot cheaper just to buy a 5 string bass than pay $1200 for a 9 string guitar if thats the case.
The honesty is always refreshing. Ibanez makes great stuff...but this is crap. Djentlemen lol.
why complaint about something fun? especially when it doesn't hurt anyone? this guitar looks fun, more fun than a traditional strat or les paul.
It’s a joke…. I am not serious!
He’s totally crazy in this video 😂
I don’t care for this guitar I’m just here for the drama🍿
no, I test drove the 8 and put it back on the rack
Not for me, i have enough trouble with 6 strings.
Skip to 9:30 for a quick synopsis 😅😅😅😅😅
For me fifths also sound like shit somewhere below G1, especially with distortion.
Henning Djents
Sooooo hard
A: Love the review..I would never buy this either! B: What a lovely song...amazing voice. Can you post more of his work, or add a link to it?
I use LOADS of his songs and he is the co-host in my songwriting course that will be released very soon!
If you really don't like this guitar I'll take it off your hands so you never have to look at it again. Admittedly I don't really like the idea of 9 strings, but it's better than my current 0 strings.
Buy an acoustic
I like GAAH not GDÖÜH.
- Henning Pauli 2023
Honestly I think I prefer GAAH as well.
9 strings, making 3 pc bands 2 pc bands overnight.
Drummer: so we’re a 2 pc now?
Guitarist: yea I can play bass and guitar with this.
We can also use it to surf to the beach side shows. 🏄🏻
Former bassist:?!? No you can’t!
Wait what? I meant can you get it with a low pro fully floating dual locking trem ?
The problem with it is it's not fanned fret
More than just that
Who pissed in this guy’s Cheerios!? 😂😂😂
lol aint trying to be that guy, but wood glue is actually stronger than most wood, and definitely than any kind of wood used on a guitar. After clamping the glue, forcing it into wood itself, it cures and becomes really hard, there's no "damping". Wood glue doesn't equal cheap, it's just your mindset. You can make a guitar body with more than 3 pieces of wood and it will be strong, if not more than one solid piece. As well resonance will theoretically change, but not audible.